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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Things are looking desperate for Boris, the Beergate thing looks like it’s whipped up his base, is he planning to do a snap election to put his problems behind him.
Everyone knows that this is probably the only avenue left for him to ensure he is keeps his precious premiership. Put it to a vote.
Biggest problem is that there might be a revolt, this is going to be a really interesting week ahead. |
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"Things are looking desperate for Boris, the Beergate thing looks like it’s whipped up his base, is he planning to do a snap election to put his problems behind him.
Everyone knows that this is probably the only avenue left for him to ensure he is keeps his precious premiership. Put it to a vote.
Biggest problem is that there might be a revolt, this is going to be a really interesting week ahead."
As I recall we have fixed term parliaments now so snap elections are a thing of the past. We have to ride down with the sinking Boris ship.  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Things are looking desperate for Boris, the Beergate thing looks like it’s whipped up his base, is he planning to do a snap election to put his problems behind him.
Everyone knows that this is probably the only avenue left for him to ensure he is keeps his precious premiership. Put it to a vote.
Biggest problem is that there might be a revolt, this is going to be a really interesting week ahead.
As I recall we have fixed term parliaments now so snap elections are a thing of the past. We have to ride down with the sinking Boris ship. "
No.
I think that Fixed term Parliaments were abolished a couple of months ago as I recall. |
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"Things are looking desperate for Boris, the Beergate thing looks like it’s whipped up his base, is he planning to do a snap election to put his problems behind him.
Everyone knows that this is probably the only avenue left for him to ensure he is keeps his precious premiership. Put it to a vote.
Biggest problem is that there might be a revolt, this is going to be a really interesting week ahead."
I don't think so, the distraction techniques are working well on Conservative voters.
We had some blaming immigrants. We have had the "but Starmer ate some pizza or curry", there will be a few more and it will all blow over with no consequences for the Tories, just like every other scandal/sleaze.
Gone is the time when we can expect any form of integrity from the government. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Things are looking desperate for Boris, the Beergate thing looks like it’s whipped up his base, is he planning to do a snap election to put his problems behind him.
Everyone knows that this is probably the only avenue left for him to ensure he is keeps his precious premiership. Put it to a vote.
Biggest problem is that there might be a revolt, this is going to be a really interesting week ahead."
vote of confidence before an election imo.
However, the upcoming period of hardship may make an early election more attractive. You can already see HMG signposting that any shiystorm down the road isnt their fauly, honest. See: levelling up. |
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"Things are looking desperate for Boris, the Beergate thing looks like it’s whipped up his base, is he planning to do a snap election to put his problems behind him.
Everyone knows that this is probably the only avenue left for him to ensure he is keeps his precious premiership. Put it to a vote.
Biggest problem is that there might be a revolt, this is going to be a really interesting week ahead.
As I recall we have fixed term parliaments now so snap elections are a thing of the past. We have to ride down with the sinking Boris ship.
No.
I think that Fixed term Parliaments were abolished a couple of months ago as I recall. "
Correct. The Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act was granted Royal Assent on 24 March 2022, repealing the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011.
The Prime Minister can call a General Election any time he wants. Not as convinced as the OP a 'snap' election is imminent though  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas."
on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. "
Terminal. That's why the Tories suddenly backpedalled on the Starmer attacks when he did the thing Johnson never would: showed some integrity. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. "
I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies. "
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? "
This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win."
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming."
It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.  |
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st. "
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn."
Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies. |
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies."
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies.
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
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repeating something i heard you could point some of them out to me because i havnt seen any since they lost the last election.
Anyone know of any labour policies for their manifesto in the next election? Anyone? |
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies.
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
repeating something i heard you could point some of them out to me because i havnt seen any since they lost the last election.
Anyone know of any labour policies for their manifesto in the next election? Anyone?"
there was a manifesto with policies in it. But I know you don't care & won't read it. So, again, whatever... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies.
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
repeating something i heard you could point some of them out to me because i havnt seen any since they lost the last election.
Anyone know of any labour policies for their manifesto in the next election? Anyone?
there was a manifesto with policies in it. But I know you don't care & won't read it. So, again, whatever..."
I look At all the manifestos before i vote mate the policies that best suit me i vote for,you never get 100% so you have to pick out the main ones.Its not like a football team or shouldnt be although some think it is it seems.
Where is this manifesto? all i can find is a slogan "stronger together" oh and a forum for ideas for policies. |
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies.
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
repeating something i heard you could point some of them out to me because i havnt seen any since they lost the last election.
Anyone know of any labour policies for their manifesto in the next election? Anyone?
there was a manifesto with policies in it. But I know you don't care & won't read it. So, again, whatever...I look At all the manifestos before i vote mate the policies that best suit me i vote for,you never get 100% so you have to pick out the main ones.Its not like a football team or shouldnt be although some think it is it seems.
Where is this manifesto? all i can find is a slogan "stronger together" oh and a forum for ideas for policies. "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies.
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
repeating something i heard you could point some of them out to me because i havnt seen any since they lost the last election.
Anyone know of any labour policies for their manifesto in the next election? Anyone?
there was a manifesto with policies in it. But I know you don't care & won't read it. So, again, whatever...I look At all the manifestos before i vote mate the policies that best suit me i vote for,you never get 100% so you have to pick out the main ones.Its not like a football team or shouldnt be although some think it is it seems.
Where is this manifesto? all i can find is a slogan "stronger together" oh and a forum for ideas for policies.
whatever..."
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies.
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
repeating something i heard you could point some of them out to me because i havnt seen any since they lost the last election.
Anyone know of any labour policies for their manifesto in the next election? Anyone?
there was a manifesto with policies in it. But I know you don't care & won't read it. So, again, whatever...I look At all the manifestos before i vote mate the policies that best suit me i vote for,you never get 100% so you have to pick out the main ones.Its not like a football team or shouldnt be although some think it is it seems.
Where is this manifesto? all i can find is a slogan "stronger together" oh and a forum for ideas for policies.
whatever...Yes i thought so you dont know. "
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies.
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
repeating something i heard you could point some of them out to me because i havnt seen any since they lost the last election.
Anyone know of any labour policies for their manifesto in the next election? Anyone?
there was a manifesto with policies in it. But I know you don't care & won't read it. So, again, whatever...I look At all the manifestos before i vote mate the policies that best suit me i vote for,you never get 100% so you have to pick out the main ones.Its not like a football team or shouldnt be although some think it is it seems.
Where is this manifesto? all i can find is a slogan "stronger together" oh and a forum for ideas for policies.
whatever...Yes i thought so you dont know.
whatever..."
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"Maybe if starmer and rayner get fined and have to fall off their moral high horse and resign it could be a good time to call one. The infighting for the leadership that normally happens will trump any policies they have and they will come across to the public as the same old labour with no ideas.on the otherhand I wonder how profiteering on SKS stepping down would look, given partygate. I want to hear what a government is going to do and think most are like me and want the same,what im saying is the focus would be on electing a new leader and all the infighting that goes along with it taking all the headlines over policies.
Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it.
The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010.
Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say 50 and above has simply come to expect it of all of them, and not without good reason.
So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? This is my point unless labour start to come up with some credible policies they will not win, just trying to discredit the opposition will not be enough to win.
credible policies like the windfall tax you mean? The policy the government were eventually dragged into doing, kicking + screaming.It wasnt even a labour idea the nicked it off the lib/dems who banged on about it 1st.
Labour pushed it hard while the Tories spent ages denying the policy. They even voted against it before being forced into a screeching uturn.Of course they did but it wasn't their idea in the first place thats my point they have no policies.
You could look up their policies if you want instead of repeating something you heard. But whatever...
repeating something i heard you could point some of them out to me because i havnt seen any since they lost the last election.
Anyone know of any labour policies for their manifesto in the next election? Anyone?
there was a manifesto with policies in it. But I know you don't care & won't read it. So, again, whatever...I look At all the manifestos before i vote mate the policies that best suit me i vote for,you never get 100% so you have to pick out the main ones.Its not like a football team or shouldnt be although some think it is it seems.
Where is this manifesto? all i can find is a slogan "stronger together" oh and a forum for ideas for policies.
whatever...Yes i thought so you dont know.
whatever...
You sound like you do not care. "
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