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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?" Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza. | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza. "If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude. | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude."mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law. | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law."If he gets fined he will resign, | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law."Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders? | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?"The question i ask myself is why he has shut up about partygate all of a sudden is it because of the new investigation and he may come out of it as the biggest hypocrite of year or has he finally listened to Lisa Nandy who told him to tone it down weeks ago? | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?The question i ask myself is why he has shut up about partygate all of a sudden is it because of the new investigation and he may come out of it as the biggest hypocrite of year or has he finally listened to Lisa Nandy who told him to tone it down weeks ago?"There is no new investigation, | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know. "I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?The question i ask myself is why he has shut up about partygate all of a sudden is it because of the new investigation and he may come out of it as the biggest hypocrite of year or has he finally listened to Lisa Nandy who told him to tone it down weeks ago?"Again deflection and whataboutism. It is sad but that seems to be all Johnson supporters can do now. Why not just admit you all made a mistake and back a wrong’un? It is ok to make mistakes you know? We all do it from time to time. It is how you own your mistakes that matters.  | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?The question i ask myself is why he has shut up about partygate all of a sudden is it because of the new investigation and he may come out of it as the biggest hypocrite of year or has he finally listened to Lisa Nandy who told him to tone it down weeks ago?
There is no new investigation, "Sorry i meant to put possibility of a new investigation my mistake. | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?The question i ask myself is why he has shut up about partygate all of a sudden is it because of the new investigation and he may come out of it as the biggest hypocrite of year or has he finally listened to Lisa Nandy who told him to tone it down weeks ago?
There is no new investigation, Sorry i meant to put possibility of a new investigation my mistake."So you were speculating about the possibility of a new investigation? Based on what? On the NCA thread you said we shouldn’t speculate! | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?The question i ask myself is why he has shut up about partygate all of a sudden is it because of the new investigation and he may come out of it as the biggest hypocrite of year or has he finally listened to Lisa Nandy who told him to tone it down weeks ago?
There is no new investigation, Sorry i meant to put possibility of a new investigation my mistake."I will reiterate what I said earlier, if he gets fined he will resign. Do you ‘think’ Boris should resign? | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! "But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me. | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me."Maybe, just like Boris, he will need the police to tell him wether he has broken the rules  | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me."You want the London MET to investigate what happened in Durham | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
Maybe, just like Boris, he will need the police to tell him wether he has broken the rules "It seems so glad we agree. | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
Maybe, just like Boris, he will need the police to tell him wether he has broken the rules It seems so glad we agree."If he is fined he will resign, abs rightly so. Do you think all crimes should be investigated by the MET | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
Maybe, just like Boris, he will need the police to tell him wether he has broken the rules It seems so glad we agree.
If he is fined he will resign, abs rightly so. Do you think all crimes should be investigated by the MET"Well i would think he would have to after calling for boris to if he is a man who sticks to his principles.No not all but they have set a standard to which they think people should be fined it makes sense to me that the same people are used for continuity dont you think so? | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
Maybe, just like Boris, he will need the police to tell him wether he has broken the rules It seems so glad we agree.
If he is fined he will resign, abs rightly so. Do you think all crimes should be investigated by the METWell i would think he would have to after calling for boris to if he is a man who sticks to his principles.No not all but they have set a standard to which they think people should be fined it makes sense to me that the same people are used for continuity dont you think so?"Definitely, I don’t think we can trust any other police force, only the MET, they should investigate every covid law case, for parity,  | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
Maybe, just like Boris, he will need the police to tell him wether he has broken the rules It seems so glad we agree.
If he is fined he will resign, abs rightly so. Do you think all crimes should be investigated by the METWell i would think he would have to after calling for boris to if he is a man who sticks to his principles.No not all but they have set a standard to which they think people should be fined it makes sense to me that the same people are used for continuity dont you think so?
Definitely, I don’t think we can trust any other police force, only the MET, they should investigate every covid law case, for parity, "I think that is taking it a bit far but glad we can agree on it. | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me."If IF he broke the rules (apparently the police already have investigated and determined SKS and team did not) then it appears this would have been a minor infringement (beer and pizza at desk immediately after/during work) and done so once! I can’t see an equivalent comparison to repeated (19) events and full blown parties with a suitcase of booze and DJ decks or a full on garden party! | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
Maybe, just like Boris, he will need the police to tell him wether he has broken the rules It seems so glad we agree.
If he is fined he will resign, abs rightly so. Do you think all crimes should be investigated by the METWell i would think he would have to after calling for boris to if he is a man who sticks to his principles.No not all but they have set a standard to which they think people should be fined it makes sense to me that the same people are used for continuity dont you think so?
Definitely, I don’t think we can trust any other police force, only the MET, they should investigate every covid law case, for parity, I think that is taking it a bit far but glad we can agree on it. "I do agree, I also think it is important that every single MP should resign if the are fined by the police for breaking covid laws, do you agree? | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
If IF he broke the rules (apparently the police already have investigated and determined SKS and team did not) then it appears this would have been a minor infringement (beer and pizza at desk immediately after/during work) and done so once!
I can’t see an equivalent comparison to repeated (19) events and full blown parties with a suitcase of booze and DJ decks or a full on garden party!"Maybe not on the same scale but boris as it stands has received 1 £50 fine and SKS has told him on numerous occasions he should do the honourable thing and resign so if it turns out that he gets a £50 fine will he do the same is all i ask? | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
If IF he broke the rules (apparently the police already have investigated and determined SKS and team did not) then it appears this would have been a minor infringement (beer and pizza at desk immediately after/during work) and done so once!
I can’t see an equivalent comparison to repeated (19) events and full blown parties with a suitcase of booze and DJ decks or a full on garden party!Maybe not on the same scale but boris as it stands has received 1 £50 fine and SKS has told him on numerous occasions he should do the honourable thing and resign so if it turns out that he gets a £50 fine will he do the same is all i ask? "He will resign, | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me."Yeah. investigate the shit out of him But let's not pretend that Boris used the Baldrick - deny everything defense at first. Also, there is a different between having a beer with a slice of pizza and having multiple parties, while your staff laugh about British people dying alone in hospitals. But maybe that's just me. | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
If IF he broke the rules (apparently the police already have investigated and determined SKS and team did not) then it appears this would have been a minor infringement (beer and pizza at desk immediately after/during work) and done so once!
I can’t see an equivalent comparison to repeated (19) events and full blown parties with a suitcase of booze and DJ decks or a full on garden party!Maybe not on the same scale but boris as it stands has received 1 £50 fine and SKS has told him on numerous occasions he should do the honourable thing and resign so if it turns out that he gets a £50 fine will he do the same is all i ask?
He will resign, "He would have to thats his own fault having dug himself a very big hole. | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.". this!!!! | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me.
If IF he broke the rules (apparently the police already have investigated and determined SKS and team did not) then it appears this would have been a minor infringement (beer and pizza at desk immediately after/during work) and done so once!
I can’t see an equivalent comparison to repeated (19) events and full blown parties with a suitcase of booze and DJ decks or a full on garden party!Maybe not on the same scale but boris as it stands has received 1 £50 fine and SKS has told him on numerous occasions he should do the honourable thing and resign so if it turns out that he gets a £50 fine will he do the same is all i ask?
He will resign, He would have to thats his own fault having dug himself a very big hole."Nothing to do with ‘digging a hole’ he will resign because it is the correct and honourable thing to do, he would have resigned even if Boris hadn’t been fined, how many covid fines do you think are acceptable ? | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
I expect the Tories who defended Boris tooth and nail to jump to SKSs defence equally as hard! But Boris has admitted he made a mistake and apologized. SKS has made countless holy than though speeches in the commons when it seems he could have been doing the same thing.To level up the playing field i think the met who investigated should investigate so the same standards are applied,that seem the fair way to me..
this!!!!"So you want all covid law cases to be investigated by the MET as welll? | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know. "Who is having another look, what are they looking at. When are they looking at it. You seem to be spending more time on this hypothetical investigation than your PM being a proven lying law breaker | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
Who is having another look, what are they looking at. When are they looking at it. You seem to be spending more time on this hypothetical investigation than your PM being a proven lying law breaker "Not up with he latest news then i see.  | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
Who is having another look, what are they looking at. When are they looking at it. You seem to be spending more time on this hypothetical investigation than your PM being a proven lying law breaker Not up with he latest news then i see. "Well, I don't read the sun | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?The question i ask myself is why he has shut up about partygate all of a sudden is it because of the new investigation and he may come out of it as the biggest hypocrite of year or has he finally listened to Lisa Nandy who told him to tone it down weeks ago?
There is no new investigation, Sorry i meant to put possibility of a new investigation my mistake.
I will reiterate what I said earlier, if he gets fined he will resign. Do you ‘think’ Boris should resign? "I hope he does it’s only chance labour have. And yes bj should resign | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?"yes on both | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. " Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out .  | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out . "I don't disagree that there is more covid risk with being around different people. I didn't write the law on this one. Blame whoever did. Like I said, it's not about the one slip up. It's the culture. And not recognising there was a slip up. Either at the time or after. | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza.
If SKS did anything wrong then fine him. But people trying to make this proportionately as bad as BJ and No.10 are completely wrong. Repeated offences coupled with being the lawmakers makes the BJ offences worse by a significant magnitude.mmmmm and there was me thinking everyone was equal under the law.
Take it to the extreme... is manslaughter as bad as murder? Is a single murder as bad as mass/repeated murders?yes on both"We’ll have to agree to disagree. In countries like the USA you receive sequential rather than concurrent prison sentences to reflect punishment for each murder committed. For me mass murder is worse than a single murder (which itself is a heinous crime). | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out . "This just feels like yet more deflection or an attempt to lessen what Johnson and co did. Why is it so hard to admit that the people making the law should abide by the law. It really is that simple. If SKS etc broke the law/rules then they get done. That doesn’t lessen what BJ did in any way whatsoever! Our PM repeatedly lied about this situation in Parliament. If he did nothing wrong then why lie? Just fess up and admit mistake(s). Unless of course your immense sense of entitlement means you truly do not think the rules and laws apply to you. Said it before but it seems all the BJ supporters have to cling to these days (after scandal after scandal and ineptitude) is whataboutism and deflection. You backed a wrong’un! | |||
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""Even if" is the important phrase here. Even if he is investigated, like the PM. Even if he is found guilty, like the PM. Even if he is fined, like the PM. Even if he is found to have misled the house, like the PM. You Boris bootlickers keep distracting with the even if's. "FYI no where have i defended boris on this so boris bootlicker is an insult that is unjustified. It amazes me the double standards of some on here SKS QC and lawyer surely he knew the law. | |||
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""Even if" is the important phrase here. Even if he is investigated, like the PM. Even if he is found guilty, like the PM. Even if he is fined, like the PM. Even if he is found to have misled the house, like the PM. You Boris bootlickers keep distracting with the even if's. FYI no where have i defended boris on this so boris bootlicker is an insult that is unjustified. It amazes me the double standards of some on here SKS QC and lawyer surely he knew the law."This was already investigated and no law was found the have been broken. Is there are new investigation into this? | |||
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""Even if" is the important phrase here. Even if he is investigated, like the PM. Even if he is found guilty, like the PM. Even if he is fined, like the PM. Even if he is found to have misled the house, like the PM. You Boris bootlickers keep distracting with the even if's. FYI no where have i defended boris on this so boris bootlicker is an insult that is unjustified. It amazes me the double standards of some on here SKS QC and lawyer surely he knew the law.
This was already investigated and no law was found the have been broken.
Is there are new investigation into this?"*Is there A new investigation into this? | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out .
This just feels like yet more deflection or an attempt to lessen what Johnson and co did.
Why is it so hard to admit that the people making the law should abide by the law. It really is that simple.
If SKS etc broke the law/rules then they get done. That doesn’t lessen what BJ did in any way whatsoever!
Our PM repeatedly lied about this situation in Parliament. If he did nothing wrong then why lie? Just fess up and admit mistake(s). Unless of course your immense sense of entitlement means you truly do not think the rules and laws apply to you.
Said it before but it seems all the BJ supporters have to cling to these days (after scandal after scandal and ineptitude) is whataboutism and deflection. You backed a wrong’un!"Here lies the problem with politics today its impossible to hold a debate without someone who doesn't like what is written tries to shut them down with its deflection or whataboutism. Its not deflection it has actually happened with a video to prove it and is worthy of debate, the freedom of information letter should tell everyone how the police came to their conclusion and can then be compared to the same with the one from the MET. | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out . "So the Met and Durham police have got it wrong ?? | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out .
This just feels like yet more deflection or an attempt to lessen what Johnson and co did.
Why is it so hard to admit that the people making the law should abide by the law. It really is that simple.
If SKS etc broke the law/rules then they get done. That doesn’t lessen what BJ did in any way whatsoever!
Our PM repeatedly lied about this situation in Parliament. If he did nothing wrong then why lie? Just fess up and admit mistake(s). Unless of course your immense sense of entitlement means you truly do not think the rules and laws apply to you.
Said it before but it seems all the BJ supporters have to cling to these days (after scandal after scandal and ineptitude) is whataboutism and deflection. You backed a wrong’un!Here lies the problem with politics today its impossible to hold a debate without someone who doesn't like what is written tries to shut them down with its deflection or whataboutism. Its not deflection it has actually happened with a video to prove it and is worthy of debate, the freedom of information letter should tell everyone how the police came to their conclusion and can then be compared to the same with the one from the MET."Already been investigated by Durham Police and not guilty. Do you not accept that? BJ and chums investigated by the Met. Guilty and fined with more to come as more than one incident. Do you not accept that? | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out .
This just feels like yet more deflection or an attempt to lessen what Johnson and co did.
Why is it so hard to admit that the people making the law should abide by the law. It really is that simple.
If SKS etc broke the law/rules then they get done. That doesn’t lessen what BJ did in any way whatsoever!
Our PM repeatedly lied about this situation in Parliament. If he did nothing wrong then why lie? Just fess up and admit mistake(s). Unless of course your immense sense of entitlement means you truly do not think the rules and laws apply to you.
Said it before but it seems all the BJ supporters have to cling to these days (after scandal after scandal and ineptitude) is whataboutism and deflection. You backed a wrong’un!Here lies the problem with politics today its impossible to hold a debate without someone who doesn't like what is written tries to shut them down with its deflection or whataboutism. Its not deflection it has actually happened with a video to prove it and is worthy of debate, the freedom of information letter should tell everyone how the police came to their conclusion and can then be compared to the same with the one from the MET.
Already been investigated by Durham Police and not guilty. Do you not accept that?
BJ and chums investigated by the Met. Guilty and fined with more to come as more than one incident. Do you not accept that?"But, the MET are better than Durham police, apparently | |||
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""Even if" is the important phrase here. Even if he is investigated, like the PM. Even if he is found guilty, like the PM. Even if he is fined, like the PM. Even if he is found to have misled the house, like the PM. You Boris bootlickers keep distracting with the even if's. FYI no where have i defended boris on this so boris bootlicker is an insult that is unjustified. It amazes me the double standards of some on here SKS QC and lawyer surely he knew the law."So do you think the PM should resign? | |||
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"Yeah they should. But one thing is certain. A single occasion will not be a patch on repeated occasions, what is it 19 times?Exactly what i thought after all rishi got fined for turning up early for a meeting where there was a cake and they sang happy birthday and doesn't drink while SKS is dinking beer and eating pizza. " | |||
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"Judge it by its own merits. If he gets a fine it will be interesting what his reaction should be. Be good if he resigned in principle what a stand that would be. " If he resigned, it would pile even more shame onto Boris. Not that most Conservative voters would give a shit. I'd love a pizza and a beer right now though. | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know. "Well I think Boris should have resigned even if he only gets fined for the one event. As others say he helped make the rules and is the head of the government. If SKS is investigated again and also fined then yes he should also resign as he aspires to be the one making the rules and being head of government. | |||
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"Oh and to add...SKS was not the law maker. He was not the one setting policy that affected the citizens of the UK." Still, he aspires to be. So can’t act one way whilst in the shadows and another when he gets the job. Integrity should not be conditional. | |||
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"They were all at it!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764879/Labours-lockdown-lies-Angela-Rayner-Keir-Starmers-beergate-event-despite-denying-it.html" Daily Mail | |||
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"for me it’s not even really about breaching the covid rules, the whole saga has proved that Johnson lied to parliament again (with probably more examples to come), he has crossed that line and needs to accept the consequences" Precisely. The BJ supporters are wringing their hands and shouting hypocrisy about SKS without a trace of irony! Of course if SKS has been found to have broken the law, then throw the book at him. But that still doesn’t mean what BJ and gang did less awful. It doesn’t make it ok. Whataboutism is total sh1t! | |||
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"They were all at it!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764879/Labours-lockdown-lies-Angela-Rayner-Keir-Starmers-beergate-event-despite-denying-it.html" Daily Heil aside, do you think one incidence of SKS having beer and pizza with colleagues in the office at the end of a days work is equivalent to BJ and gang repeatedly (19 times apparently) having garden parties, suitcases full of booze and DJ decks? Do you not accept Durham Police’s investigation outcome on SKS? Do you not accept the Met investigation into BJ and No.10 staff? | |||
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"They were all at it!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764879/Labours-lockdown-lies-Angela-Rayner-Keir-Starmers-beergate-event-despite-denying-it.html" Lol. The Daily Outrage would be funny if people didn't take it seriously. It should be stacked next to the Beano. | |||
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"They were all at it!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764879/Labours-lockdown-lies-Angela-Rayner-Keir-Starmers-beergate-event-despite-denying-it.html Lol. The Daily Outrage would be funny if people didn't take it seriously. It should be stacked next to the Beano." It is the far right equivalent of the Daily sport, but far less funny | |||
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"They were all at it!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764879/Labours-lockdown-lies-Angela-Rayner-Keir-Starmers-beergate-event-despite-denying-it.html" papers should be made to name people they quote. Did either Rayner or Stamer deny it ? Can we find the question in Hansard? None of the evidence appears to be new. It's the same video and the same online call. Odd that only now, after the fines, after the DM Rayner article, this breaks .... | |||
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"They were all at it!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764879/Labours-lockdown-lies-Angela-Rayner-Keir-Starmers-beergate-event-despite-denying-it.htmlpapers should be made to name people they quote. Did either Rayner or Stamer deny it ? Can we find the question in Hansard? None of the evidence appears to be new. It's the same video and the same online call. Odd that only now, after the fines, after the DM Rayner article, this breaks .... " It is desperation, the DM know their readers are stupid and will believe anything , | |||
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag." So you keep saying but you havnt convinced me breaking the law is breaking the law and all this shit sks was spouting about transparency and honesty seem to have gone out the window now there is a vid of rayner being there too after we were told she wasnt.How can they say it was a mistake either of them could have spoken out at the time and told the truth. There will be more to come on this. | |||
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag.So you keep saying but you havnt convinced me breaking the law is breaking the law and all this shit sks was spouting about transparency and honesty seem to have gone out the window now there is a vid of rayner being there too after we were told she wasnt.How can they say it was a mistake either of them could have spoken out at the time and told the truth. There will be more to come on this. " This is desperation, | |||
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag." You obviously haven't heard the podcast where she actually jokes about the basic instinct claim to roars of laughter from her audience. She certainly wasn't losing any sleep over it back in January when was speaking about it | |||
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag.So you keep saying but you havnt convinced me breaking the law is breaking the law and all this shit sks was spouting about transparency and honesty seem to have gone out the window now there is a vid of rayner being there too after we were told she wasnt.How can they say it was a mistake either of them could have spoken out at the time and told the truth. There will be more to come on this. This is desperation, " No mate its conversation i know you only like it when its only going one way so you can do the usual and try to shut it down with deflection,whataboutery,despertion but it wont work on me. | |||
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag.So you keep saying but you havnt convinced me breaking the law is breaking the law and all this shit sks was spouting about transparency and honesty seem to have gone out the window now there is a vid of rayner being there too after we were told she wasnt.How can they say it was a mistake either of them could have spoken out at the time and told the truth. There will be more to come on this. This is desperation, No mate its conversation i know you only like it when its only going one way so you can do the usual and try to shut it down with deflection,whataboutery,despertion but it wont work on me. "It is desperation, this story is a dead cat, it is hilarious to watch , is there a video or a photo of Rayner and Starmer in the same room at the same time ? | |||
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag.So you keep saying but you havnt convinced me breaking the law is breaking the law and all this shit sks was spouting about transparency and honesty seem to have gone out the window now there is a vid of rayner being there too after we were told she wasnt.How can they say it was a mistake either of them could have spoken out at the time and told the truth. There will be more to come on this. This is desperation, No mate its conversation i know you only like it when its only going one way so you can do the usual and try to shut it down with deflection,whataboutery,despertion but it wont work on me.
It is desperation, this story is a dead cat, it is hilarious to watch , is there a video or a photo of Rayner and Starmer in the same room at the same time ? "Keep up mate labour have now admitted that she was there too. | |||
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag.So you keep saying but you havnt convinced me breaking the law is breaking the law and all this shit sks was spouting about transparency and honesty seem to have gone out the window now there is a vid of rayner being there too after we were told she wasnt.How can they say it was a mistake either of them could have spoken out at the time and told the truth. There will be more to come on this. This is desperation, No mate its conversation i know you only like it when its only going one way so you can do the usual and try to shut it down with deflection,whataboutery,despertion but it wont work on me.
It is desperation, this story is a dead cat, it is hilarious to watch , is there a video or a photo of Rayner and Starmer in the same room at the same time ? Keep up mate labour have now admitted that she was there too."No they haven’t, she was on the same zoom call in the same room 20 mins after SKS, this is desperate stuff, bit hilarious to watch . | |||
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag.So you keep saying but you havnt convinced me breaking the law is breaking the law and all this shit sks was spouting about transparency and honesty seem to have gone out the window now there is a vid of rayner being there too after we were told she wasnt.How can they say it was a mistake either of them could have spoken out at the time and told the truth. There will be more to come on this. This is desperation, No mate its conversation i know you only like it when its only going one way so you can do the usual and try to shut it down with deflection,whataboutery,despertion but it wont work on me.
It is desperation, this story is a dead cat, it is hilarious to watch , is there a video or a photo of Rayner and Starmer in the same room at the same time ? Keep up mate labour have now admitted that she was there too.
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"The timing of this is not coincidental as we soon have local elections. The Tories and their supporters are scrabbling around for anything that may take some heat off them. A complete lack of equivalence. As for people quoting The Daily Heil - didn’t the Angela Rayner basic instinct story teach you anything? This excuse for a “news”paper is an insidious nasty vile rag.So you keep saying but you havnt convinced me breaking the law is breaking the law and all this shit sks was spouting about transparency and honesty seem to have gone out the window now there is a vid of rayner being there too after we were told she wasnt.How can they say it was a mistake either of them could have spoken out at the time and told the truth. There will be more to come on this. This is desperation, No mate its conversation i know you only like it when its only going one way so you can do the usual and try to shut it down with deflection,whataboutery,despertion but it wont work on me.
It is desperation, this story is a dead cat, it is hilarious to watch , is there a video or a photo of Rayner and Starmer in the same room at the same time ? Keep up mate labour have now admitted that she was there too.
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"I am lost about who said what about this "scandal". As pointed out in the basic instinct threaf, the DM are good at throwing together quotes. On this thread there is a lot of "they". Where is hay with 'innocent until guilty"?" Yes, and Costa with ‘we shouldn’t speculate ‘ | |||
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"I am lost about who said what about this "scandal". As pointed out in the basic instinct threaf, the DM are good at throwing together quotes. On this thread there is a lot of "they". Where is hay with 'innocent until guilty"? Yes, and Costa with ‘we shouldn’t speculate ‘ "Well she was either there or she wasnt labour are now saying she was but you seem to know better was you there? | |||
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"I am lost about who said what about this "scandal". As pointed out in the basic instinct threaf, the DM are good at throwing together quotes. On this thread there is a lot of "they". Where is hay with 'innocent until guilty"? Yes, and Costa with ‘we shouldn’t speculate ‘ Well she was either there or she wasnt labour are now saying she was but you seem to know better was you there?"We shouldn’t speculate until we get all the details, they are innocent until proven guilty, we will have to wait until the conclusion of the police investigation (even though there isn’t one) | |||
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"I am lost about who said what about this "scandal". As pointed out in the basic instinct threaf, the DM are good at throwing together quotes. On this thread there is a lot of "they". Where is hay with 'innocent until guilty"? Yes, and Costa with ‘we shouldn’t speculate ‘ Well she was either there or she wasnt labour are now saying she was but you seem to know better was you there?
We shouldn’t speculate until we get all the details, they are innocent until proven guilty, we will have to wait until the conclusion of the police investigation (even though there isn’t one) "Its hardly speculation when it been admitted nothing will be done so you dont have to worry but after his holier than thou speech he has been found out for what he is, a total hypocrite. | |||
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"I am lost about who said what about this "scandal". As pointed out in the basic instinct threaf, the DM are good at throwing together quotes. On this thread there is a lot of "they". Where is hay with 'innocent until guilty"? Yes, and Costa with ‘we shouldn’t speculate ‘ Well she was either there or she wasnt labour are now saying she was but you seem to know better was you there?
We shouldn’t speculate until we get all the details, they are innocent until proven guilty, we will have to wait until the conclusion of the police investigation (even though there isn’t one) Its hardly speculation when it been admitted nothing will be done so you dont have to worry but after his holier than thou speech he has been found out for what he is, a total hypocrite. "Hahahaha, so he hasn’t broken any rules? you spend all your time on here defending Boris who is a massive hypocrite , so you are hypocrite aswell | |||
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"I am lost about who said what about this "scandal". As pointed out in the basic instinct threaf, the DM are good at throwing together quotes. On this thread there is a lot of "they". Where is hay with 'innocent until guilty"? Yes, and Costa with ‘we shouldn’t speculate ‘ Well she was either there or she wasnt labour are now saying she was but you seem to know better was you there?"So do you think the lying, law breaking PM should resign, or are you a boris bootlicker? | |||
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"Does Rayner being there change if a law was broken or not ? Is it new evidence that would change the outcome of the police review? Is it even new evidence? At the moment the story is "unknown spokesperson got it wrong". Maybe they answered to the best of their knowledge. "It is hilarious to watch all these Boris fan boys falling for a DM distraction story, they are so desperate | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out . "Think you’re missing the point Boris set the rules which resulted in horrific pain for lots of people then presided over countless breaches in his own office for which so far there have been 50 fines and more to come . Would you class that as the same as three or four people at their desks eating pizza and drinking beer. I agree he should say he didn’t realise it was a pizza in his defence. As the investigation is in Durham I’m sure he will claim he was testing his eyesight by reading the alcoholic content on the bottle so all good . | |||
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"Let's be clear. Only a small part of the Boris uproar comes from yeh idea he may have broken the law once. And where there is uproar it comes from the fact he slipped up on rules he put in place. The uproar is from what appears to be a culture of ignoring the law in his government. It comes from him saying he understood no rules were broken. When clearly they were, and when he was there. At best Boris is a liar. At worse he is incompetent. Even if SKS is found to have broken the law, there is a chasm of difference in both circumstances and behaviour. Is there though a guy walks into his HOME office and is presented with a cake and people singing happy birthday whom have been working there while another travels the length of the country and drinks beer and eats pizza with people he has hardly met. If it happened to be the other way round im not so sure you would be saying the same thing.Drinking with strangers seems a lot more severe than people you are working with day in day out .
Think you’re missing the point Boris set the rules which resulted in horrific pain for lots of people then presided over countless breaches in his own office for which so far there have been 50 fines and more to come . Would you class that as the same as three or four people at their desks eating pizza and drinking beer. I agree he should say he didn’t realise it was a pizza in his defence.
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"So this little story in the DM wouldn’t have anything to do with diverting from SKS ripping a new hole in Boris re the unlawful dispersal of asymptomatic Covid patients to care homes and the 20000 deaths from that idiotic decision? I mean Boris said there was no evidence of asymptomatic transmission back in March and obviously hadn’t heard that the Chinese had been warning of this back in January? He is either incompetent, or a liar and completely reckless so trying to knock SKS is a pretty desperate measure to get him out of the shit for the umpteenth time! "makes you wonder why we locked down if asymptomatic wasn't a known risk. | |||
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"So this little story in the DM wouldn’t have anything to do with diverting from SKS ripping a new hole in Boris re the unlawful dispersal of asymptomatic Covid patients to care homes and the 20000 deaths from that idiotic decision? I mean Boris said there was no evidence of asymptomatic transmission back in March and obviously hadn’t heard that the Chinese had been warning of this back in January? He is either incompetent, or a liar and completely reckless so trying to knock SKS is a pretty desperate measure to get him out of the shit for the umpteenth time! "Maybe if he’d turned up to the first few Cobra meetings. | |||
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"So this little story in the DM wouldn’t have anything to do with diverting from SKS ripping a new hole in Boris re the unlawful dispersal of asymptomatic Covid patients to care homes and the 20000 deaths from that idiotic decision? I mean Boris said there was no evidence of asymptomatic transmission back in March and obviously hadn’t heard that the Chinese had been warning of this back in January? He is either incompetent, or a liar and completely reckless so trying to knock SKS is a pretty desperate measure to get him out of the shit for the umpteenth time! "I’m sorry but none of this matters because SKS had a beer and pizza at his desk in the constituency office after a days work. Even though Durham Police investigated and determined he did nothing wrong, it just isn’t fair the Met found that Johnson et al did do something wrong (multiple times). It just isn’t fair on poor ickle Bowis and his lovely chums because they do such a super doopa job on everything and SKS is weally weally bad and we don’t like him. Whah whah whah! | |||
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"Awww not liking the truth huh? hahaha Desperate. If she knew she was there, why didn't she say she was there? What was she hiding? The Police must have asked who was there - she's hardly insignificant is she, being the deputy of the party after all? Don't give a rat's arse about any of them - but the truth is the truth, when all said and done. "Desperate stuff, come back when they have been fined by the police , Innocent until proven guilty She is working hard , it is a difficult stressful job She is doing the best she can Don’t you know there is a war on There are more important things to worry about It was only a zoom call | |||
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"hahaha hilarious. Maybe they should shut down news about Labour? Keep the lalala folks happy. "You should wait until the police investigation has finished | |||
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"Awww not liking the truth huh? hahaha Desperate. If she knew she was there, why didn't she say she was there? What was she hiding? The Police must have asked who was there - she's hardly insignificant is she, being the deputy of the party after all? Don't give a rat's arse about any of them - but the truth is the truth, when all said and done. "did she hide any if this? From what I can see, it was one spokesperson who said she wasn't. As ever, we need to know who said what... And in response to what questions, asked in what format. The trouble with Boris, is it was his answers to questions made to him in the HoC. It's not a good look for labour in general. Agreed. But it's also not quite the same. | |||
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"Awww not liking the truth huh? hahaha Desperate. If she knew she was there, why didn't she say she was there? What was she hiding? The Police must have asked who was there - she's hardly insignificant is she, being the deputy of the party after all? Don't give a rat's arse about any of them - but the truth is the truth, when all said and done. did she hide any if this? From what I can see, it was one spokesperson who said she wasn't.
As ever, we need to know who said what... And in response to what questions, asked in what format.
The trouble with Boris, is it was his answers to questions made to him in the HoC.
It's not a good look for labour in general. Agreed. But it's also not quite the same.
Well. She obviously knew she was never mentioned in the press or radio reports, (and let's face it if the press or radio had known it they would have been all over it) I'd have thought she would have gone out of her way to say she was there - particularly because she knew she wasn't mentioned.
Well she had no questions asked of her, because nobody knew, and she wasn't telling?
All a bit fishy to me.
And all this - 'well you did it more' is quite frankly rubbish. SKS knew she was there and knew it had not been mentioned. It's simply not possible to 'genuinely mistake that she wasn't there'. So it results in it being a hidden truth. Or a lie. Choose which.
Inquiring minds want to know!
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"Awww not liking the truth huh? hahaha Desperate. If she knew she was there, why didn't she say she was there? What was she hiding? The Police must have asked who was there - she's hardly insignificant is she, being the deputy of the party after all? Don't give a rat's arse about any of them - but the truth is the truth, when all said and done. did she hide any if this? From what I can see, it was one spokesperson who said she wasn't.
As ever, we need to know who said what... And in response to what questions, asked in what format.
The trouble with Boris, is it was his answers to questions made to him in the HoC.
It's not a good look for labour in general. Agreed. But it's also not quite the same. "Well. She obviously knew she was never mentioned in the press or radio reports, (and let's face it if the press or radio had known it they would have been all over it) I'd have thought she would have gone out of her way to say she was there - particularly because she knew she wasn't mentioned. Well she had no questions asked of her, because nobody knew, and she wasn't telling? All a bit fishy to me. And all this - 'well you did it more' is quite frankly rubbish. SKS knew she was there and knew it had not been mentioned. It's simply not possible to 'genuinely mistake that she wasn't there'. So it results in it being a hidden truth. Or a lie. Choose which. Inquiring minds want to know! typo | |||
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"Awww not liking the truth huh? hahaha Desperate. If she knew she was there, why didn't she say she was there? What was she hiding? The Police must have asked who was there - she's hardly insignificant is she, being the deputy of the party after all? Don't give a rat's arse about any of them - but the truth is the truth, when all said and done. did she hide any if this? From what I can see, it was one spokesperson who said she wasn't.
As ever, we need to know who said what... And in response to what questions, asked in what format.
The trouble with Boris, is it was his answers to questions made to him in the HoC.
It's not a good look for labour in general. Agreed. But it's also not quite the same.
Well. She obviously knew she was never mentioned in the press or radio reports, (and let's face it if the press or radio had known it they would have been all over it) I'd have thought she would have gone out of her way to say she was there - particularly because she knew she wasn't mentioned.
Well she had no questions asked of her, because nobody knew, and she wasn't telling?
All a bit fishy to me.
And all this - 'well you did it more' is quite frankly rubbish. SKS knew she was there and knew it had not been mentioned. It's simply not possible to 'genuinely mistake that she wasn't there'. So it results in it being a hidden truth. Or a lie. Choose which.
Inquiring minds want to know!
"absolutely. I want to know. There is a credibility and trust point. But I stand by my point it is different. No laws were broken. That there was another person at a lawful event isnt really huge news. Other than it being not fully disclosed (to the public). The timing also leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As far as I can see nothing new has been uncovered. | |||
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"Awww not liking the truth huh? hahaha Desperate. If she knew she was there, why didn't she say she was there? What was she hiding? The Police must have asked who was there - she's hardly insignificant is she, being the deputy of the party after all? Don't give a rat's arse about any of them - but the truth is the truth, when all said and done. did she hide any if this? From what I can see, it was one spokesperson who said she wasn't.
As ever, we need to know who said what... And in response to what questions, asked in what format.
The trouble with Boris, is it was his answers to questions made to him in the HoC.
It's not a good look for labour in general. Agreed. But it's also not quite the same.
Well. She obviously knew she was never mentioned in the press or radio reports, (and let's face it if the press or radio had known it they would have been all over it) I'd have thought she would have gone out of her way to say she was there - particularly because she knew she wasn't mentioned.
Well she had no questions asked of her, because nobody knew, and she wasn't telling?
All a bit fishy to me.
And all this - 'well you did it more' is quite frankly rubbish. SKS knew she was there and knew it had not been mentioned. It's simply not possible to 'genuinely mistake that she wasn't there'. So it results in it being a hidden truth. Or a lie. Choose which.
Inquiring minds want to know!
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"No, some have been caught breaking the law , and have been fined. Some haven't broken the law and haven't been fined. " You have to let the tories have their moment, it is desperate but it is all they have | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. " Boris is trying to do what exactly? Worst growth in G7. GDP down against other similar economies ( incl 4% due to Brexit) . Inflation rumoured to be heading to 10% . Repeated tax rises. Triple lock promise broken. Fraud over Covid loans , fraud over PPE, Hospitals unable to cope and waiting lists not budging. Ambulances unable to discharge patients, shortage of staff across various industries. Business warnings about increases in bankruptcy coming, CCJs up 157% and due to rise again. Food banks busier than ever and now a cost of living crisis made worse by lack of investment in energy production at the expense of dividends. A decade of Tory government and look at the state of this country. At least Cameron the spineless twat tried. This government are more interested in sending refugees and asylum seekers to Rwanda to please their right wing extremists. Priti Patel said please come up with something better. It’s her f**king job to come up with better not force the problem on a country a 9 hour flight away. . This Tory cabinet also want to interfere with the freedom of the press as well as the judiciary and basically lie about nearly everything. What’s he “trying” to do?? Destroy the country because he’s doing very well so far! I can recommend his destructive ability. If he stays in power much longer Putin won’t need to worry about the U.K. as a threat we are on a self destruct mission. But back to beer and pizza because we need to deflect from Boris and the soon be be hundred plus fines which he said he takes responsibility for. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. " Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. " Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. " Yes what an incredibly critical time and we have a lying buffoon in charge . What could possibly go wrong. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. " mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. " All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ? | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?" Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? | |||
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"I am lost about who said what about this "scandal". As pointed out in the basic instinct threaf, the DM are good at throwing together quotes. On this thread there is a lot of "they". Where is hay with 'innocent until guilty"? Yes, and Costa with ‘we shouldn’t speculate ‘ Well she was either there or she wasnt labour are now saying she was but you seem to know better was you there?
We shouldn’t speculate until we get all the details, they are innocent until proven guilty, we will have to wait until the conclusion of the police investigation (even though there isn’t one) Its hardly speculation when it been admitted nothing will be done so you dont have to worry but after his holier than thou speech he has been found out for what he is, a total hypocrite. "Bottom line, you seem to have a problem with Durham Constabulary's approach to this. Did you have problem with their approach to Dominic Cummings' little road trip? It's remotely possible that you might have - but Boris Johnson didn't; and we all know how much you worship him. As you love to tell remainers, "Get over it." LOL | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? " I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. " what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet ! | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet !" U turning if its the right choice if the 1st one is wrong is fine,as long as the right one is implemented, i just don't see Starmer as a PM, tory front bench just go along and compare like for like with Labour, Labour are not as good, Brexit was never going to be a switch after nearly 50 years was always going to take time any one who thought other wise is a fool. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet !U turning if its the right choice if the 1st one is wrong is fine,as long as the right one is implemented, i just don't see Starmer as a PM, tory front bench just go along and compare like for like with Labour, Labour are not as good, Brexit was never going to be a switch after nearly 50 years was always going to take time any one who thought other wise is a fool. " The labour front bench might not even use the pandemic to get their friends rich through fast tracking PPE contracts. And might not even party while laughing at British people dying in bed alone. Might not even consistently vote against gay rights, and against measures to protect the environment, and against pay rises for nurses and healthcare workers. What a fucking nightmare that would be. In fairness, Labour are shit. But the Tories are probably among the worst humans in the country. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet !U turning if its the right choice if the 1st one is wrong is fine,as long as the right one is implemented, i just don't see Starmer as a PM, tory front bench just go along and compare like for like with Labour, Labour are not as good, Brexit was never going to be a switch after nearly 50 years was always going to take time any one who thought other wise is a fool. The labour front bench might not even use the pandemic to get their friends rich through fast tracking PPE contracts. And might not even party while laughing at British people dying in bed alone. Might not even consistently vote against gay rights, and against measures to protect the environment, and against pay rises for nurses and healthcare workers. What a fucking nightmare that would be. In fairness, Labour are shit. But the Tories are probably among the worst humans in the country. " Thats your view but labour can't win because of Blair and what he put in place ponder on that if you don't get it ask again. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. " . It may be sad that some people died alone and in such circumstances. However this was a problem throughout the world and not unique to the UK. I am sure that a lot of families of the bereaved really appreciate the efforts that the government made to get them through the crisis. We do not judge Boris or the government based on the views of a very vocal monitority who are simply Boris haters . They do not have exclusive rights to speak on behalf of the families of the deceased. There is no evidence to suggest that Boris and the government were enjoying themselves at the expense of others. Their meetings were simply work place events so no harm was done. The birthday cake was not even opened and the drinks remained unconsumed . Boris has simply steered the ship through rocky waters and done a very successfull job. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. . It may be sad that some people died alone and in such circumstances. However this was a problem throughout the world and not unique to the UK. I am sure that a lot of families of the bereaved really appreciate the efforts that the government made to get them through the crisis. We do not judge Boris or the government based on the views of a very vocal monitority who are simply Boris haters . They do not have exclusive rights to speak on behalf of the families of the deceased. There is no evidence to suggest that Boris and the government were enjoying themselves at the expense of others. Their meetings were simply work place events so no harm was done. The birthday cake was not even opened and the drinks remained unconsumed . Boris has simply steered the ship through rocky waters and done a very successfull job. " you know you're not liked when people can't even be arsed to take the cake out the box. I wish this were true. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet !U turning if its the right choice if the 1st one is wrong is fine,as long as the right one is implemented, i just don't see Starmer as a PM, tory front bench just go along and compare like for like with Labour, Labour are not as good, Brexit was never going to be a switch after nearly 50 years was always going to take time any one who thought other wise is a fool. The labour front bench might not even use the pandemic to get their friends rich through fast tracking PPE contracts. And might not even party while laughing at British people dying in bed alone. Might not even consistently vote against gay rights, and against measures to protect the environment, and against pay rises for nurses and healthcare workers. What a fucking nightmare that would be. In fairness, Labour are shit. But the Tories are probably among the worst humans in the country. Thats your view but labour can't win because of Blair and what he put in place ponder on that if you don't get it ask again." Have no idea how you would think Blair is at fault for people voting consistently for a government who openly have distain for British people. I don't like Labour either. All they are is a less shit Tories. Not good enough. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. . It may be sad that some people died alone and in such circumstances. However this was a problem throughout the world and not unique to the UK. I am sure that a lot of families of the bereaved really appreciate the efforts that the government made to get them through the crisis. We do not judge Boris or the government based on the views of a very vocal monitority who are simply Boris haters . They do not have exclusive rights to speak on behalf of the families of the deceased. There is no evidence to suggest that Boris and the government were enjoying themselves at the expense of others. Their meetings were simply work place events so no harm was done. The birthday cake was not even opened and the drinks remained unconsumed . Boris has simply steered the ship through rocky waters and done a very successfull job. " Lolz. Amazing stuff. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. . It may be sad that some people died alone and in such circumstances. However this was a problem throughout the world and not unique to the UK. I am sure that a lot of families of the bereaved really appreciate the efforts that the government made to get them through the crisis. We do not judge Boris or the government based on the views of a very vocal monitority who are simply Boris haters . They do not have exclusive rights to speak on behalf of the families of the deceased. There is no evidence to suggest that Boris and the government were enjoying themselves at the expense of others. Their meetings were simply work place events so no harm was done. The birthday cake was not even opened and the drinks remained unconsumed . Boris has simply steered the ship through rocky waters and done a very successfull job. " Wow that’s the best one yet….how much are you being paid to trot out this horseshit? | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet !U turning if its the right choice if the 1st one is wrong is fine,as long as the right one is implemented, i just don't see Starmer as a PM, tory front bench just go along and compare like for like with Labour, Labour are not as good, Brexit was never going to be a switch after nearly 50 years was always going to take time any one who thought other wise is a fool. The labour front bench might not even use the pandemic to get their friends rich through fast tracking PPE contracts. And might not even party while laughing at British people dying in bed alone. Might not even consistently vote against gay rights, and against measures to protect the environment, and against pay rises for nurses and healthcare workers. What a fucking nightmare that would be. In fairness, Labour are shit. But the Tories are probably among the worst humans in the country. Thats your view but labour can't win because of Blair and what he put in place ponder on that if you don't get it ask again." Ten years of this bunch of incompetent crooks running the country for their own benefit and you come back to blaming Blair? | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet !U turning if its the right choice if the 1st one is wrong is fine,as long as the right one is implemented, i just don't see Starmer as a PM, tory front bench just go along and compare like for like with Labour, Labour are not as good, Brexit was never going to be a switch after nearly 50 years was always going to take time any one who thought other wise is a fool. The labour front bench might not even use the pandemic to get their friends rich through fast tracking PPE contracts. And might not even party while laughing at British people dying in bed alone. Might not even consistently vote against gay rights, and against measures to protect the environment, and against pay rises for nurses and healthcare workers. What a fucking nightmare that would be. In fairness, Labour are shit. But the Tories are probably among the worst humans in the country. Thats your view but labour can't win because of Blair and what he put in place ponder on that if you don't get it ask again. Ten years of this bunch of incompetent crooks running the country for their own benefit and you come back to blaming Blair? "Breaking news: Blair is no longer Labour leader. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet !U turning if its the right choice if the 1st one is wrong is fine,as long as the right one is implemented, i just don't see Starmer as a PM, tory front bench just go along and compare like for like with Labour, Labour are not as good, Brexit was never going to be a switch after nearly 50 years was always going to take time any one who thought other wise is a fool. The labour front bench might not even use the pandemic to get their friends rich through fast tracking PPE contracts. And might not even party while laughing at British people dying in bed alone. Might not even consistently vote against gay rights, and against measures to protect the environment, and against pay rises for nurses and healthcare workers. What a fucking nightmare that would be. In fairness, Labour are shit. But the Tories are probably among the worst humans in the country. Thats your view but labour can't win because of Blair and what he put in place ponder on that if you don't get it ask again. Ten years of this bunch of incompetent crooks running the country for their own benefit and you come back to blaming Blair?
Breaking news: Blair is no longer Labour leader."More news...labours MPs lie too | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. . It may be sad that some people died alone and in such circumstances. However this was a problem throughout the world and not unique to the UK. I am sure that a lot of families of the bereaved really appreciate the efforts that the government made to get them through the crisis. We do not judge Boris or the government based on the views of a very vocal monitority who are simply Boris haters . They do not have exclusive rights to speak on behalf of the families of the deceased. There is no evidence to suggest that Boris and the government were enjoying themselves at the expense of others. Their meetings were simply work place events so no harm was done. The birthday cake was not even opened and the drinks remained unconsumed . Boris has simply steered the ship through rocky waters and done a very successfull job. " Why do you have such low morals ? | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. Im not playing anything down, mistakes made would have happened who ever was in charge nobody knew how to deal with it at the start, but right now there are more pressing things going on in the world, we could all be gone if not careful. mistakes were made ... This isn't about making mistakes in an uncertain and unique(ish) world. It's about creating a law that hinders our freedom. And then not sticking to that law yourself. It's about lying that you weren't aware of laws being broken when you are then found to have broken them. With bigger things afoot, now is the time make sure we have the best people leading us. People you can trust. People who will lead. Imo, Boris has fallen far short of this (low) bar. All I hear is Boris is not the one but never an alternative,Starmer has no along with Rayner are lying so who ?Boris did well to out any competitors. I would take Stamer. Yes, it appears that there's been some lack of disclosure. So not perfect by any means. But as degrees of not perfect goes, he is far ahead than Boris. Do you think Boris is the best we have? I do as i cant think of anyone else right now, Starmer i dont think could make a decision and see it through, and Labour front bench is awful, their not even up to been a good opposition, Penny Mordaunt maybe but not yet, and she is doing good work anyway. what about in the Tory ranks? What makes you think that about Stamer ? Especially bas the Tories have a great record of u turning. They haven't even see btrxit thru yet !U turning if its the right choice if the 1st one is wrong is fine,as long as the right one is implemented, i just don't see Starmer as a PM, tory front bench just go along and compare like for like with Labour, Labour are not as good, Brexit was never going to be a switch after nearly 50 years was always going to take time any one who thought other wise is a fool. The labour front bench might not even use the pandemic to get their friends rich through fast tracking PPE contracts. And might not even party while laughing at British people dying in bed alone. Might not even consistently vote against gay rights, and against measures to protect the environment, and against pay rises for nurses and healthcare workers. What a fucking nightmare that would be. In fairness, Labour are shit. But the Tories are probably among the worst humans in the country. Thats your view but labour can't win because of Blair and what he put in place ponder on that if you don't get it ask again. Ten years of this bunch of incompetent crooks running the country for their own benefit and you come back to blaming Blair?
Breaking news: Blair is no longer Labour leader.
More news...labours MPs lie too"Of course. Labour are just Tory-lite when it comes to lies. They'd never get near them in wasting public money through nepotism. | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know. "It like this story (as predicted) is a dead cat abs people have moved in to the next, a Tory watching porn in the HOC. They really are the gift that keeks giving | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
It like this story (as predicted) is a dead cat abs people have moved in to the next, a Tory watching porn in the HOC. They really are the gift that keeks giving "Since labour MPs have been shown to lie, don't be surprised if they watch porn...maybe even female MPs! | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know "What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes. | |||
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"so they are going to have another look at SKS beer and a quiz i wondered why its the first question time that he didn't bring partygate up now i know.
It like this story (as predicted) is a dead cat abs people have moved in to the next, a Tory watching porn in the HOC. They really are the gift that keeks giving
Since labour MPs have been shown to lie, don't be surprised if they watch porn...maybe even female MPs!"I am sure they do watch porn, they aren’t stupid enough to watch in the HOC, | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes."you saying Starmer and Rayner dont lie and as for self serving,you any idea what Rayner alone was gifted last year on top of her salary and expenses? | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes.you saying Starmer and Rayner dont lie and as for self serving,you any idea what Rayner alone was gifted last year on top of her salary and expenses?"What was she ‘gifted’ ? | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes.you saying Starmer and Rayner dont lie and as for self serving,you any idea what Rayner alone was gifted last year on top of her salary and expenses?"You have me confused with someone else. I never said they don't lie. And her salary and expenses are nothing compared to the billions handed to friends and neighbors of the Tory party for their PPE start up companies during the pandemic. Still, crack on blaming Blair. Marvelous. | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes."The thread is not about boris its about starmer, you are usually one of the first to go on about whataboutery i can see why you are supporting a hypocrite now. | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes.The thread is not about boris its about starmer, you are usually one of the first to go on about whataboutery i can see why you are supporting a hypocrite now. "Why (in this case) is starmer a hypocrite ? | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes.The thread is not about boris its about starmer, you are usually one of the first to go on about whataboutery i can see why you are supporting a hypocrite now.
Why (in this case) is starmer a hypocrite ? "Did you not see his speech that nearly had the house in tears about transparancy,honesty and integrity? he or rayner could have said at the time it was a mistake to say she wasnt there instead they chose to keep quiet hoping no one would find out. | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes.The thread is not about boris its about starmer, you are usually one of the first to go on about whataboutery i can see why you are supporting a hypocrite now.
Why (in this case) is starmer a hypocrite ? Did you not see his speech that nearly had the house in tears about transparancy,honesty and integrity? he or rayner could have said at the time it was a mistake to say she wasnt there instead they chose to keep quiet hoping no one would find out."‘He’ never said she wasn’t there, are you telling me they lied to the police ? | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes.The thread is not about boris its about starmer, you are usually one of the first to go on about whataboutery i can see why you are supporting a hypocrite now.
Why (in this case) is starmer a hypocrite ? Did you not see his speech that nearly had the house in tears about transparancy,honesty and integrity? he or rayner could have said at the time it was a mistake to say she wasnt there instead they chose to keep quiet hoping no one would find out.
‘He’ never said she wasn’t there, are you telling me they lied to the police ? "I dont know what they told the police do you, was it the police that ask? i thought it was the media. | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes.The thread is not about boris its about starmer, you are usually one of the first to go on about whataboutery i can see why you are supporting a hypocrite now. "I think you have me confused with someone else. I replied to the chap who used "Blair" in defence of the Tories abhorrent behaviour. I just joined in the conversation. You have also confused me with someone else about supporting a hypocrite. I don't support Labour or the Tories. And again, you've confused me with someone else on the whataboutery. Still. Good work apart from that. | |||
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"I never blamed Blair I said labour cant win because of him and if you don't get it ask its not that difficult if you know
What's this got to do with Boris and co being a bunch of lying self serving arseholes.The thread is not about boris its about starmer, you are usually one of the first to go on about whataboutery i can see why you are supporting a hypocrite now.
Why (in this case) is starmer a hypocrite ? Did you not see his speech that nearly had the house in tears about transparancy,honesty and integrity? he or rayner could have said at the time it was a mistake to say she wasnt there instead they chose to keep quiet hoping no one would find out.
‘He’ never said she wasn’t there, are you telling me they lied to the police ? I dont know what they told the police do you, was it the police that ask? i thought it was the media."Did they ask Starmer directly wether Rayner was there? Anyway, the DM attempt to deflect hasn’t worked, it has been over shadowed by a thick Tory MP watching porn in the HOC | |||
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"0345 6060365 call Durham constabulary and complain. No one here gives a shit about your DM fuelled whinging. " yeah stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la when you dont like the content or even better dont post on it. | |||
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"Rayner was gifted £234,410.79 almost a 1/4 million, Rayner’s coffers on the other hand have been working overtime. Since January 2020 Angie has received: 21 January: £50,000 from Waheed Ali 22 January: £1,683.21 from GMB 22 January: £47,227.58 from GMB 26 January: £1,000 from Simeon Honore 30 January: £25,000 from GMB 31 January: £10,000 from Rajesh Agrawal 4 February: £10,000 from USDAW 11 February: £25,000 from CWU 25 February: £2,000 from Mohammed Imran 4 March: £25,000 from Trevor Chinn 5 March: £10,000 from Intro Developments Ltd 5 March: £25,000 from Martin Taylor 12 March: £2,500 from Simeon Honore" So approx 1/87000th the value of public money the Tories handed to their pals for fast tracked PPE. I assume you give Rayners issue about approx 1/87000th of the attention you give to the government nepotism? | |||
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"Rayner was gifted £234,410.79 almost a 1/4 million, Rayner’s coffers on the other hand have been working overtime. Since January 2020 Angie has received: 21 January: £50,000 from Waheed Ali 22 January: £1,683.21 from GMB 22 January: £47,227.58 from GMB 26 January: £1,000 from Simeon Honore 30 January: £25,000 from GMB 31 January: £10,000 from Rajesh Agrawal 4 February: £10,000 from USDAW 11 February: £25,000 from CWU 25 February: £2,000 from Mohammed Imran 4 March: £25,000 from Trevor Chinn 5 March: £10,000 from Intro Developments Ltd 5 March: £25,000 from Martin Taylor 12 March: £2,500 from Simeon Honore" You copied that from Guido Fawkes , about as reliable as the DM , you must try harder | |||
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"Labour cant win a GE without the Scottish vote because of Blair and devolution, its not that hard to work out." Why is this related in any way to the discussion? | |||
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"0345 6060365 call Durham constabulary and complain. No one here gives a shit about your DM fuelled whinging. yeah stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la when you dont like the content or even better dont post on it. "Don’t you know there is war on | |||
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"0345 6060365 call Durham constabulary and complain. No one here gives a shit about your DM fuelled whinging. yeah stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la when you dont like the content or even better dont post on it. "Must be tough being a bootlicker for boris, every day fresh shit to clean off. | |||
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"0345 6060365 call Durham constabulary and complain. No one here gives a shit about your DM fuelled whinging. yeah stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la when you dont like the content or even better dont post on it.
Must be tough being a bootlicker for boris, every day fresh shit to clean off. "He is desperate, | |||
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"0345 6060365 call Durham constabulary and complain. No one here gives a shit about your DM fuelled whinging. yeah stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la when you dont like the content or even better dont post on it.
Must be tough being a bootlicker for boris, every day fresh shit to clean off. "Come on you can do better than that surely? | |||
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"https://order-order.com/2021/05/18/watch-rayners-mauling-by-mordaunt/" Ah ha. This post explains a lot about why you're so confused. Excellent. | |||
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"New slogan " Labour isn't wanking" I think it could catch on "Maybe they need more mp,s that a labour shadow minister described as someone women like and blokes want to fuck,that might work. | |||
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"So they have all been caught out having some beer & cake,am i bovered no,id rather the Torys got on running the country we could have ww3 knocking on our door & Labour up their game at being opposition, Boris i think is at least trying to but Labour are very poor opposition end of rant. Every time someone tries to hand wave away this they need reminding that parties in and of themselves is not the point or what makes people angry. The point is that 000s of people died in the UK scared and alone with no possibility of having friends or family with them in their final moments. AT THE SAME TIME BJ and chums drank, ate and parties. ie the people who made the rules that forced families apart and unable to spend the last precious moments with their dying loved ones (grandparents, parents, children). THAT is what matters. Not the parties themselves! People like you need to remember that and not downplay the seriousness. . It may be sad that some people died alone and in such circumstances. However this was a problem throughout the world and not unique to the UK. I am sure that a lot of families of the bereaved really appreciate the efforts that the government made to get them through the crisis. We do not judge Boris or the government based on the views of a very vocal monitority who are simply Boris haters . They do not have exclusive rights to speak on behalf of the families of the deceased. There is no evidence to suggest that Boris and the government were enjoying themselves at the expense of others. Their meetings were simply work place events so no harm was done. The birthday cake was not even opened and the drinks remained unconsumed . Boris has simply steered the ship through rocky waters and done a very successfull job. " What utter crap. It wasn’t “some people who died alone” it was thousands. Your utter insensitivity is contemptible. Disgusting attitude. These were not “workplace meetings” they were drinks parties. Alcohol was most certainly consumed (they sent a junior out with a suitcase on wheels to fill with booze). On one occasion they had DJ decks. There is photo evidence of drinking in the garden. The Head of Comms had to resign because she was on camera laughing about it. If it was all so innocent then why did Johnson feel the need to repeatedly lie and change his story in Parliament. Complete lack of consistency. You say the cake wasn’t eaten! How do YOU know that? Were you there? The Met investigation found them guilty of breaking the law and issued FPN. To a sitting PM! Let that sink in. The PM of this country broke the law. And we still have the Sue Grey report to come! I know you are a BJ shill but stop lying. | |||
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"https://order-order.com/2021/05/18/watch-rayners-mauling-by-mordaunt/ Ah ha. This post explains a lot about why you're so confused. Excellent." Who is confused apart from you ? | |||
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"New slogan " Labour isn't wanking" I think it could catch on Maybe they need more mp,s that a labour shadow minister described as someone women like and blokes want to fuck,that might work. "Who said that? What a shitty thing to say about your supposed collegues | |||
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"https://order-order.com/2021/05/18/watch-rayners-mauling-by-mordaunt/ Ah ha. This post explains a lot about why you're so confused. Excellent.Who is confused apart from you ?" I'm all good thanks. I'm not the one who keeps bringing Blair into this conversation. | |||
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"New slogan " Labour isn't wanking" I think it could catch on Maybe they need more mp,s that a labour shadow minister described as someone women like and blokes want to fuck,that might work.
Who said that? What a shitty thing to say about your supposed collegues "https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/top-labour-figure-called-female-26821845 I doubt she will name him though it will be brushed under the carpet. | |||
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