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"[Brexited by poster at 27/04/22 07:28:21]" Not sure what this is supposed to be but I was not making any political reference. Just a fact it is what is and should not be news to anyone. | |||
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"I mean, we all knew this before voting to leave or not. Why is it coming as a shock to people now? "  it's nothing to do with politics. It's just common sense. Perhaps the I tension was to create another politics debate so I am out. | |||
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"Of course it's happened, it's no surprise. People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway." There isn’t enough ‘British ‘ food to feed the nation | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?" Might just be cos the price of food/everything has gone up in the EU?   | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? Might just be cos the price of food/everything has gone up in the EU? "Yes very much so. As recently as January I filled the car in Spain at 1.19€ for diesel. Now it's 1.85€. In Germany it's over 2€. Cooking oil averaged around 1.30€ per litre now it's over 3€. In Germany it's rationed if you can get it at all | |||
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"Of course it's happened, it's no surprise. People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway. There isn’t enough ‘British ‘ food to feed the nation "Ah but there probably is but we don’t have people in the UK prepared to do the back breaking work of picking fruit and veg or willing/experienced to be slaughtermen in abattoirs leaving fields to rot and culling of pigs - while people in UK have to use foodbanks. Criminal Bexit win. | |||
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"Of course it's happened, it's no surprise. People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway." agreed! | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer" Fully agree but good luck with that viewpoint on here. | |||
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"People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway. agreed!" British bananas ? | |||
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"People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway. agreed! British bananas ? " British oranges? | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer" Eh?? | |||
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"Of course it's happened, it's no surprise. People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway. There isn’t enough ‘British ‘ food to feed the nation
Ah but there probably is but we don’t have people in the UK prepared to do the back breaking work of picking fruit and veg or willing/experienced to be slaughtermen in abattoirs leaving fields to rot and culling of pigs - while people in UK have to use foodbanks. Criminal Bexit win. "I see that the other way around. For far too many years Britain has relied on migrant workers to do the unsavoury jobs that very few Brits want to do. Meanwhile thousands of kids are leaving school barely able to read and write properly but with a huge sense of entitlement. Picking Veg? Killing pigs? WHAH! That is so far beneath me. Why should they do that when they can sit at home on benefits watching the Jeremy Kyle show (or whatever dross has replaced it) Better to go on a foray to the food bank than to dig potatoes. Then there are the ones who can actually string a sentence together then swan off to Uni on a media studies course. Ask yourself this. How many of you have needed an emergency journalist in the middle of the night. But that emergency plumber you needed was probably Polish. The left are always accusing anyone from even the centre right of racism at every opportunity. But is it also racist to expect foreigners to the menial jobs that the entitled generation see as so far below them? | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer Eh??" Like I said, good luck with that opinion on here. | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer" So what is “the state” and why do we need “Government”? Why do we pay taxes? If the state collects taxes from us when times are good, shouldn’t we expect the state to return the favour and help us when times are bad? If I am sick my upfront taxes have paid for my healthcare. If I lose my job my upfront taxes have paid for my benefits. If I develop a disability or my child is born with one, my taxes pay for the extra support needed (or should). When YOU talk about “reliance on the state” I suspect (correct me if wrong) you are really referencing those people who have never or rarely worked who live on benefits, is that right? However, such broad brush statements do not reflect the reality of many peoples complex lives. Should someone who has worked 10, 20, 30 years who falls on hard times not be allowed to expect some help from the state? Personally I favour the Dutch system that (generally speaking) provides state benefits in line with what you have paid in taxes. I believe if you lose your job your JSA equivalent pays out something like 80% of your salary for a few months then gradually scales back. Of course the Dutch have much higher levels of taxation to begin with. I think it is right for the state to be a safety net, otherwise we live in an anarchy of deregulation dog eat dog where nobody will pay taxes because they get nothing in return. Is that what you favour? | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer So what is “the state” and why do we need “Government”? Why do we pay taxes? If the state collects taxes from us when times are good, shouldn’t we expect the state to return the favour and help us when times are bad? If I am sick my upfront taxes have paid for my healthcare. If I lose my job my upfront taxes have paid for my benefits. If I develop a disability or my child is born with one, my taxes pay for the extra support needed (or should). When YOU talk about “reliance on the state” I suspect (correct me if wrong) you are really referencing those people who have never or rarely worked who live on benefits, is that right? However, such broad brush statements do not reflect the reality of many peoples complex lives. Should someone who has worked 10, 20, 30 years who falls on hard times not be allowed to expect some help from the state? Personally I favour the Dutch system that (generally speaking) provides state benefits in line with what you have paid in taxes. I believe if you lose your job your JSA equivalent pays out something like 80% of your salary for a few months then gradually scales back. Of course the Dutch have much higher levels of taxation to begin with. I think it is right for the state to be a safety net, otherwise we live in an anarchy of deregulation dog eat dog where nobody will pay taxes because they get nothing in return. Is that what you favour? " Of course the state should provide a safety net. As you say that is one of the reasons we pay tax. However it seems that many now see the benefit system as a career choice. That could be excusable in times of high unemployment and limited vacancies. But that is not the case now. Not only in agriculture but, among others, the hospitality sector is crying out for workers. | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer So what is “the state” and why do we need “Government”? Why do we pay taxes? If the state collects taxes from us when times are good, shouldn’t we expect the state to return the favour and help us when times are bad? If I am sick my upfront taxes have paid for my healthcare. If I lose my job my upfront taxes have paid for my benefits. If I develop a disability or my child is born with one, my taxes pay for the extra support needed (or should). When YOU talk about “reliance on the state” I suspect (correct me if wrong) you are really referencing those people who have never or rarely worked who live on benefits, is that right? However, such broad brush statements do not reflect the reality of many peoples complex lives. Should someone who has worked 10, 20, 30 years who falls on hard times not be allowed to expect some help from the state? Personally I favour the Dutch system that (generally speaking) provides state benefits in line with what you have paid in taxes. I believe if you lose your job your JSA equivalent pays out something like 80% of your salary for a few months then gradually scales back. Of course the Dutch have much higher levels of taxation to begin with. I think it is right for the state to be a safety net, otherwise we live in an anarchy of deregulation dog eat dog where nobody will pay taxes because they get nothing in return. Is that what you favour? Of course the state should provide a safety net. As you say that is one of the reasons we pay tax. However it seems that many now see the benefit system as a career choice. That could be excusable in times of high unemployment and limited vacancies. But that is not the case now. Not only in agriculture but, among others, the hospitality sector is crying out for workers." Your point about “the left” is wrong. The point Remainers have been making is NOT that foreigners should be doing the menial/unsavoury jobs, it is to ask who WILL do them because, as you point out, many Brits DO consider these jobs either beneath them or too hard. The jobs are there. That is what many Leave/Brexiters wanted, British jobs for British workers and yet...where are those British workers???? Short term Brexiters will point to wage increases as a win (wages have to increase if you cannot fill vacancies) but that will not be sustainable because it will lead to product price inflation which ultimately wipes out the wage increases! I also agree that too many young people are being failed by our education system after 12 years of Tories in control. Not everyone is academic so we need more vocational emphasis and apprenticeships for trades. I suspect the university fees situation will drive that too and we will see a drop off in uni students and fluff degrees. | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer Eh?? Like I said, good luck with that opinion on here." Eh? | |||
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"Of course it's happened, it's no surprise. People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway. There isn’t enough ‘British ‘ food to feed the nation
Ah but there probably is but we don’t have people in the UK prepared to do the back breaking work of picking fruit and veg or willing/experienced to be slaughtermen in abattoirs leaving fields to rot and culling of pigs - while people in UK have to use foodbanks. Criminal Bexit win.
I see that the other way around.
For far too many years Britain has relied on migrant workers to do the unsavoury jobs that very few Brits want to do.
Meanwhile thousands of kids are leaving school barely able to read and write properly but with a huge sense of entitlement. Picking Veg? Killing pigs? WHAH! That is so far beneath me.
Why should they do that when they can sit at home on benefits watching the Jeremy Kyle show (or whatever dross has replaced it) Better to go on a foray to the food bank than to dig potatoes.
Then there are the ones who can actually string a sentence together then swan off to Uni on a media studies course.
Ask yourself this. How many of you have needed an emergency journalist in the middle of the night. But that emergency plumber you needed was probably Polish.
The left are always accusing anyone from even the centre right of racism at every opportunity. But is it also racist to expect foreigners to the menial jobs that the entitled generation see as so far below them?"The issue is we have huge swathes of lazy idle people who use benefits as a lifestyle so won’t do the jobs and neither will the degree generation as they want 35hours a week working between an office and home. So with that situation not likely to change what is wrong with getting workers who will do the job and contribute to tax revenue. Leaving the moral questions to one side we need the jobs doing. Hospitals are keeping patients in ambulances overnight FFS . We are supposed to be a modern industrial society and we can’t get basic healthcare. One little thing hidden away on the India developments is our government is investing in training companies based here but operating in India to train healthcare workers. Why did we send home all the EU health workers if that’s just moved to India. We didn’t have to pay for the EU workers to be trained. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?" What? Brexit was all about putting up barriers and red tape between us and the EU. You should ask people who voted for this, why they voted for it. | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer Fully agree but good luck with that viewpoint on here. "Good hustle. I'm glad that the "fuck the poor" viewpoint doesn't go down well. But there are lots of people on here who are well up for a bit of poor people bashing. | |||
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"Of course it's happened, it's no surprise. People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway. There isn’t enough ‘British ‘ food to feed the nation
Ah but there probably is but we don’t have people in the UK prepared to do the back breaking work of picking fruit and veg or willing/experienced to be slaughtermen in abattoirs leaving fields to rot and culling of pigs - while people in UK have to use foodbanks. Criminal Bexit win.
I see that the other way around.
For far too many years Britain has relied on migrant workers to do the unsavoury jobs that very few Brits want to do.
Meanwhile thousands of kids are leaving school barely able to read and write properly but with a huge sense of entitlement. Picking Veg? Killing pigs? WHAH! That is so far beneath me.
Why should they do that when they can sit at home on benefits watching the Jeremy Kyle show (or whatever dross has replaced it) Better to go on a foray to the food bank than to dig potatoes.
Then there are the ones who can actually string a sentence together then swan off to Uni on a media studies course.
Ask yourself this. How many of you have needed an emergency journalist in the middle of the night. But that emergency plumber you needed was probably Polish.
The left are always accusing anyone from even the centre right of racism at every opportunity. But is it also racist to expect foreigners to the menial jobs that the entitled generation see as so far below them?
The issue is we have huge swathes of lazy idle people who use benefits as a lifestyle so won’t do the jobs and neither will the degree generation as they want 35hours a week working between an office and home.
So with that situation not likely to change what is wrong with getting workers who will do the job and contribute to tax revenue. Leaving the moral questions to one side we need the jobs doing. Hospitals are keeping patients in ambulances overnight FFS . We are supposed to be a modern industrial society and we can’t get basic healthcare.
One little thing hidden away on the India developments is our government is investing in training companies based here but operating in India to train healthcare workers. Why did we send home all the EU health workers if that’s just moved to India. We didn’t have to pay for the EU workers to be trained.
"Perhaps a lack of transparency in these new arrangements allows for more opportunities for corruption and kickbacks at our expense - would it be possible if we had stayed in the EU, I wonder? | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer So what is “the state” and why do we need “Government”? Why do we pay taxes? If the state collects taxes from us when times are good, shouldn’t we expect the state to return the favour and help us when times are bad? If I am sick my upfront taxes have paid for my healthcare. If I lose my job my upfront taxes have paid for my benefits. If I develop a disability or my child is born with one, my taxes pay for the extra support needed (or should). When YOU talk about “reliance on the state” I suspect (correct me if wrong) you are really referencing those people who have never or rarely worked who live on benefits, is that right? However, such broad brush statements do not reflect the reality of many peoples complex lives. Should someone who has worked 10, 20, 30 years who falls on hard times not be allowed to expect some help from the state? Personally I favour the Dutch system that (generally speaking) provides state benefits in line with what you have paid in taxes. I believe if you lose your job your JSA equivalent pays out something like 80% of your salary for a few months then gradually scales back. Of course the Dutch have much higher levels of taxation to begin with. I think it is right for the state to be a safety net, otherwise we live in an anarchy of deregulation dog eat dog where nobody will pay taxes because they get nothing in return. Is that what you favour? Of course the state should provide a safety net. As you say that is one of the reasons we pay tax. However it seems that many now see the benefit system as a career choice. That could be excusable in times of high unemployment and limited vacancies. But that is not the case now. Not only in agriculture but, among others, the hospitality sector is crying out for workers." So how often do you return to the old country and take a good hard look at what is happening here? Intrigued to know where you get your knowledge from | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer So what is “the state” and why do we need “Government”? Why do we pay taxes? If the state collects taxes from us when times are good, shouldn’t we expect the state to return the favour and help us when times are bad? If I am sick my upfront taxes have paid for my healthcare. If I lose my job my upfront taxes have paid for my benefits. If I develop a disability or my child is born with one, my taxes pay for the extra support needed (or should). When YOU talk about “reliance on the state” I suspect (correct me if wrong) you are really referencing those people who have never or rarely worked who live on benefits, is that right? However, such broad brush statements do not reflect the reality of many peoples complex lives. Should someone who has worked 10, 20, 30 years who falls on hard times not be allowed to expect some help from the state? Personally I favour the Dutch system that (generally speaking) provides state benefits in line with what you have paid in taxes. I believe if you lose your job your JSA equivalent pays out something like 80% of your salary for a few months then gradually scales back. Of course the Dutch have much higher levels of taxation to begin with. I think it is right for the state to be a safety net, otherwise we live in an anarchy of deregulation dog eat dog where nobody will pay taxes because they get nothing in return. Is that what you favour? Of course the state should provide a safety net. As you say that is one of the reasons we pay tax. However it seems that many now see the benefit system as a career choice. That could be excusable in times of high unemployment and limited vacancies. But that is not the case now. Not only in agriculture but, among others, the hospitality sector is crying out for workers." Do they have a shortage of workers in Germany | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer So what is “the state” and why do we need “Government”? Why do we pay taxes? If the state collects taxes from us when times are good, shouldn’t we expect the state to return the favour and help us when times are bad? If I am sick my upfront taxes have paid for my healthcare. If I lose my job my upfront taxes have paid for my benefits. If I develop a disability or my child is born with one, my taxes pay for the extra support needed (or should). When YOU talk about “reliance on the state” I suspect (correct me if wrong) you are really referencing those people who have never or rarely worked who live on benefits, is that right? However, such broad brush statements do not reflect the reality of many peoples complex lives. Should someone who has worked 10, 20, 30 years who falls on hard times not be allowed to expect some help from the state? Personally I favour the Dutch system that (generally speaking) provides state benefits in line with what you have paid in taxes. I believe if you lose your job your JSA equivalent pays out something like 80% of your salary for a few months then gradually scales back. Of course the Dutch have much higher levels of taxation to begin with. I think it is right for the state to be a safety net, otherwise we live in an anarchy of deregulation dog eat dog where nobody will pay taxes because they get nothing in return. Is that what you favour? Of course the state should provide a safety net. As you say that is one of the reasons we pay tax. However it seems that many now see the benefit system as a career choice. That could be excusable in times of high unemployment and limited vacancies. But that is not the case now. Not only in agriculture but, among others, the hospitality sector is crying out for workers. Do they have a shortage of workers in Germany " Does a bear shit in the German woods ? | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?" We are not being punished, we are just getting what we exactly wanted, so come to peace with it. | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer So what is “the state” and why do we need “Government”? Why do we pay taxes? If the state collects taxes from us when times are good, shouldn’t we expect the state to return the favour and help us when times are bad? If I am sick my upfront taxes have paid for my healthcare. If I lose my job my upfront taxes have paid for my benefits. If I develop a disability or my child is born with one, my taxes pay for the extra support needed (or should). When YOU talk about “reliance on the state” I suspect (correct me if wrong) you are really referencing those people who have never or rarely worked who live on benefits, is that right? However, such broad brush statements do not reflect the reality of many peoples complex lives. Should someone who has worked 10, 20, 30 years who falls on hard times not be allowed to expect some help from the state? Personally I favour the Dutch system that (generally speaking) provides state benefits in line with what you have paid in taxes. I believe if you lose your job your JSA equivalent pays out something like 80% of your salary for a few months then gradually scales back. Of course the Dutch have much higher levels of taxation to begin with. I think it is right for the state to be a safety net, otherwise we live in an anarchy of deregulation dog eat dog where nobody will pay taxes because they get nothing in return. Is that what you favour? Of course the state should provide a safety net. As you say that is one of the reasons we pay tax. However it seems that many now see the benefit system as a career choice. That could be excusable in times of high unemployment and limited vacancies. But that is not the case now. Not only in agriculture but, among others, the hospitality sector is crying out for workers. Do they have a shortage of workers in Germany Does a bear shit in the German woods ?" They don’t have bears in Germany | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?" Just ordered £2500's worth of goods from Italy that's costing £120 more in duty, I didn't have to pay 2 years ago.. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?" what are these barriers, Tom ? | |||
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"Of course it's happened, it's no surprise. People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway." Where’s the best place to buy British Barries? | |||
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"People need to stop depending on the state. Learn to become independent. Government is never the answer So what is “the state” and why do we need “Government”? Why do we pay taxes? If the state collects taxes from us when times are good, shouldn’t we expect the state to return the favour and help us when times are bad? If I am sick my upfront taxes have paid for my healthcare. If I lose my job my upfront taxes have paid for my benefits. If I develop a disability or my child is born with one, my taxes pay for the extra support needed (or should). When YOU talk about “reliance on the state” I suspect (correct me if wrong) you are really referencing those people who have never or rarely worked who live on benefits, is that right? However, such broad brush statements do not reflect the reality of many peoples complex lives. Should someone who has worked 10, 20, 30 years who falls on hard times not be allowed to expect some help from the state? Personally I favour the Dutch system that (generally speaking) provides state benefits in line with what you have paid in taxes. I believe if you lose your job your JSA equivalent pays out something like 80% of your salary for a few months then gradually scales back. Of course the Dutch have much higher levels of taxation to begin with. I think it is right for the state to be a safety net, otherwise we live in an anarchy of deregulation dog eat dog where nobody will pay taxes because they get nothing in return. Is that what you favour? Of course the state should provide a safety net. As you say that is one of the reasons we pay tax. However it seems that many now see the benefit system as a career choice. That could be excusable in times of high unemployment and limited vacancies. But that is not the case now. Not only in agriculture but, among others, the hospitality sector is crying out for workers. Do they have a shortage of workers in Germany Does a bear shit in the German woods ? They don’t have bears in Germany " Fuck off they don’t! Have you never heard of Hoffmeister? No Beats in Germany my arse!  | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are not being punished, we are just getting what we exactly wanted, so come to peace with it." This is what people voted for. Not sure why they're complaining about it now. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are not being punished, we are just getting what we exactly wanted, so come to peace with it. This is what people voted for. Not sure why they're complaining about it now." You may have done, I didn't.. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are not being punished, we are just getting what we exactly wanted, so come to peace with it. This is what people voted for. Not sure why they're complaining about it now. You may have done, I didn't.." assume you voted remain then ! | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?" We are being treated as a third country, following the rules that we helped to make whilst in the EU. For everyone who knew why they were voting to leave, this shouldn’t come as a surprise | |||
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"People should be buying British and supporting their own producers anyway. agreed! British bananas ? British oranges? " perhaps we need more global warming? | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are not being punished, we are just getting what we exactly wanted, so come to peace with it. This is what people voted for. Not sure why they're complaining about it now. You may have done, I didn't.." No, I voted against this. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are being treated as a third country, following the rules that we helped to make whilst in the EU. For everyone who knew why they were voting to leave, this shouldn’t come as a surprise " do countries set rules for exports ? Generally its the importing country. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are being treated as a third country, following the rules that we helped to make whilst in the EU. For everyone who knew why they were voting to leave, this shouldn’t come as a surprise do countries set rules for exports ? Generally its the importing country. " Of course countries can set rules for exports, they can also ban on exports to certain countries if they want | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are being treated as a third country, following the rules that we helped to make whilst in the EU. For everyone who knew why they were voting to leave, this shouldn’t come as a surprise do countries set rules for exports ? Generally its the importing country. Of course countries can set rules for exports, they can also ban on exports to certain countries if they want" If the exports don't meet the standards of the importing country. That's the red line. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are being treated as a third country, following the rules that we helped to make whilst in the EU. For everyone who knew why they were voting to leave, this shouldn’t come as a surprise do countries set rules for exports ? Generally its the importing country. Of course countries can set rules for exports, they can also ban on exports to certain countries if they want" has the EU done this ? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they?" Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce." don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years " Yes. That's been about half a Brexit in economic damage. Significant and part of the conversation. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years " Covid is over , apparently | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are being treated as a third country, following the rules that we helped to make whilst in the EU. For everyone who knew why they were voting to leave, this shouldn’t come as a surprise do countries set rules for exports ? Generally its the importing country. Of course countries can set rules for exports, they can also ban on exports to certain countries if they wanthas the EU done this ? " Keep your eye on Norwegian gas | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently " as the effects of covid passed then great news | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? We are being treated as a third country, following the rules that we helped to make whilst in the EU. For everyone who knew why they were voting to leave, this shouldn’t come as a surprise do countries set rules for exports ? Generally its the importing country. Of course countries can set rules for exports, they can also ban on exports to certain countries if they wanthas the EU done this ? Keep your eye on Norwegian gas" I doubt it will change they will just increase output the price might rise again but you can thank mr putin for that. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news " Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently " well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol" World beating vaccine rollout First country out of COVID We aren’t in the EU We are flying on the crest of a wave, apparently | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol" Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go." maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol" Why would people be happy with that? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? " well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts " I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts " Surely the point is that people who voted Remain and warned about the economic impact of Brexit are pointing out that “Project Fear” has become “Project Reality” and it is the fault of the liars behind vote Leave and the gullible taken in by it all. Until leave voters admit they screwed up, they may as well be reminded. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?" sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Surely the point is that people who voted Remain and warned about the economic impact of Brexit are pointing out that “Project Fear” has become “Project Reality” and it is the fault of the liars behind vote Leave and the gullible taken in by it all. Until leave voters admit they screwed up, they may as well be reminded. " untill remain stop saying shit like this the country will be divided | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Surely the point is that people who voted Remain and warned about the economic impact of Brexit are pointing out that “Project Fear” has become “Project Reality” and it is the fault of the liars behind vote Leave and the gullible taken in by it all. Until leave voters admit they screwed up, they may as well be reminded. untill remain stop saying shit like this the country will be divided " Ha ha ha seriously! You want the people who are being proven right to not say we were right. You want us to let it go even though Leave voter decisions got us into this mess! If a person who voted Leave told me they made a mistake, felt lied to/deceived, and regret it. They have my utmost respect! | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Surely the point is that people who voted Remain and warned about the economic impact of Brexit are pointing out that “Project Fear” has become “Project Reality” and it is the fault of the liars behind vote Leave and the gullible taken in by it all. Until leave voters admit they screwed up, they may as well be reminded. untill remain stop saying shit like this the country will be divided Ha ha ha seriously! You want the people who are being proven right to not say we were right. You want us to let it go even though Leave voter decisions got us into this mess! If a person who voted Leave told me they made a mistake, felt lied to/deceived, and regret it. They have my utmost respect!" are you nee on here ? As the same shit your saying as been said a million times over on here your not saying anything new even tho you probably think you are lol | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Surely the point is that people who voted Remain and warned about the economic impact of Brexit are pointing out that “Project Fear” has become “Project Reality” and it is the fault of the liars behind vote Leave and the gullible taken in by it all. Until leave voters admit they screwed up, they may as well be reminded. untill remain stop saying shit like this the country will be divided Ha ha ha seriously! You want the people who are being proven right to not say we were right. You want us to let it go even though Leave voter decisions got us into this mess! If a person who voted Leave told me they made a mistake, felt lied to/deceived, and regret it. They have my utmost respect!" haha no lies no regrets | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts " Why am I not happy. We are the fasting growing economy, thriving since Brexit (apparently) why doesn’t the government decrease tax to help with the rising costs of living? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Surely the point is that people who voted Remain and warned about the economic impact of Brexit are pointing out that “Project Fear” has become “Project Reality” and it is the fault of the liars behind vote Leave and the gullible taken in by it all. Until leave voters admit they screwed up, they may as well be reminded. untill remain stop saying shit like this the country will be divided Ha ha ha seriously! You want the people who are being proven right to not say we were right. You want us to let it go even though Leave voter decisions got us into this mess! If a person who voted Leave told me they made a mistake, felt lied to/deceived, and regret it. They have my utmost respect!are you nee on here ? As the same shit your saying as been said a million times over on here your not saying anything new even tho you probably think you are lol" Been around a few years. Not claiming anything new. Just correct! | |||
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"untill remain stop saying shit like this the country will be divided " The UK hasn't been united for years. The current government are certainly not the people to unite it. Thinking back, the last three times I can remember the whole nation feeling united - in a positive way - were 1977 (HMQs Silver Jubilee), 1982 (The Falklands war) and 2012 (The London Olympic opening ceremony). The seeds for the current divisions were sown in the USA, in 2007/08; when a shower of absolute cunts wrecked the financial system. Blair/Brown/Darling did fuck all to protect us all from that - and Cameron/Osborne/Clegg did all they could to protect the assets of the wealthy. Because "fuck the poor". Right? Let's face it, in the UK, that's a policy that works; if only due to the fact that FPTP means it's not a representative democracy. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Why am I not happy. We are the fasting growing economy, thriving since Brexit (apparently) why doesn’t the government decrease tax to help with the rising costs of living? " well maybe the next government will it’s why we have GE mate and what tax would you like to see decreased? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Why am I not happy. We are the fasting growing economy, thriving since Brexit (apparently) why doesn’t the government decrease tax to help with the rising costs of living? well maybe the next government will it’s why we have GE mate and what tax would you like to see decreased?" As we are the fastest growing economy in the world we can slash tax on fuel (vehicles and domestic) cut tax on food etc etc, what has the GE got to do with it? | |||
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"Remainers “Listen chaps if you vote for the face eating leopards then you will probably end up with your face being eaten” Leave “Shut up you unpatriotic twat with you project fear nonsense, you just don’t believe enough” Remain “Don’t say we didn’t warn you” Leave “F off I’m voting leave you leftie” Everyone “Bloody leopards have started eating our faces!” Remain “Well we did warn you” Leave “It’s all your fault because you won’t just let it go and unite behind our decision to vote for the leopards” Remain “ “"
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"Remainers “Listen chaps if you vote for the face eating leopards then you will probably end up with your face being eaten” Leave “Shut up you unpatriotic twat with you project fear nonsense, you just don’t believe enough” Remain “Don’t say we didn’t warn you” Leave “F off I’m voting leave you leftie” Everyone “Bloody leopards have started eating our faces!” Remain “Well we did warn you” Leave “It’s all your fault because you won’t just let it go and unite behind our decision to vote for the leopards” Remain “ “
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Why am I not happy. We are the fasting growing economy, thriving since Brexit (apparently) why doesn’t the government decrease tax to help with the rising costs of living? well maybe the next government will it’s why we have GE mate and what tax would you like to see decreased? As we are the fastest growing economy in the world we can slash tax on fuel (vehicles and domestic) cut tax on food etc etc, what has the GE got to do with it? " well if labour get in they can do all of what you just said I’m sure if you give Boris a ring he will do as you say now tho | |||
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"Remainers “Listen chaps if you vote for the face eating leopards then you will probably end up with your face being eaten” Leave “Shut up you unpatriotic twat with you project fear nonsense, you just don’t believe enough” Remain “Don’t say we didn’t warn you” Leave “F off I’m voting leave you leftie” Everyone “Bloody leopards have started eating our faces!” Remain “Well we did warn you” Leave “It’s all your fault because you won’t just let it go and unite behind our decision to vote for the leopards” Remain “ “
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I blame the snowflakes "I blame the leopards. After all they will come out just fine thanks to all those Leave voters they managed to trick. Will have years of faces to eat now! | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts Why am I not happy. We are the fasting growing economy, thriving since Brexit (apparently) why doesn’t the government decrease tax to help with the rising costs of living? well maybe the next government will it’s why we have GE mate and what tax would you like to see decreased? As we are the fastest growing economy in the world we can slash tax on fuel (vehicles and domestic) cut tax on food etc etc, what has the GE got to do with it? well if labour get in they can do all of what you just said I’m sure if you give Boris a ring he will do as you say now tho " How does that work? | |||
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"Remainers “Listen chaps if you vote for the face eating leopards then you will probably end up with your face being eaten” Leave “Shut up you unpatriotic twat with you project fear nonsense, you just don’t believe enough” Remain “Don’t say we didn’t warn you” Leave “F off I’m voting leave you leftie” Everyone “Bloody leopards have started eating our faces!” Remain “Well we did warn you” Leave “It’s all your fault because you won’t just let it go and unite behind our decision to vote for the leopards” Remain “ “
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I blame the leopards. After all they will come out just fine thanks to all those Leave voters they managed to trick. Will have years of faces to eat now!"Your being unfair, the leave voters are protected from the leopards by the unicorns , they can only be seen by true patriots and believers. | |||
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"Remainers “Listen chaps if you vote for the face eating leopards then you will probably end up with your face being eaten” Leave “Shut up you unpatriotic twat with you project fear nonsense, you just don’t believe enough” Remain “Don’t say we didn’t warn you” Leave “F off I’m voting leave you leftie” Everyone “Bloody leopards have started eating our faces!” Remain “Well we did warn you” Leave “It’s all your fault because you won’t just let it go and unite behind our decision to vote for the leopards” Remain “ “
I blame the wokes
I blame the snowflakes
I blame the leopards. After all they will come out just fine thanks to all those Leave voters they managed to trick. Will have years of faces to eat now!
Your being unfair, the leave voters are protected from the leopards by the unicorns , they can only be seen by true patriots and believers. "The unicorns are being well and truly consumed...munch munch...now started eating everyone else, with a side order of deregulation. Quite tasty for the leopards who are getting bigger and fatter. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu " But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right?" Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did " Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. " I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy . | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol World beating vaccine rollout First country out of COVID We aren’t in the EU We are flying on the crest of a wave, apparently " Some are. Some not. As it ever was. Lots of opportunity in the market atm so far from being all doom and gloom. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go." We did take a bigger hit than most and have the bigger mountain to climb. We have completed climbing that bigger mountain quicker than some others took to climb their smaller mountain. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go. We did take a bigger hit than most and have the bigger mountain to climb. We have completed climbing that bigger mountain quicker than some others took to climb their smaller mountain." We haven’t completed climbing the mountain because we are not back to pre-brexit levels. According to official figures we will take a permanent hit of 4% and that is on top of the Covid impact so we can never climb back to where we were! | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go. We did take a bigger hit than most and have the bigger mountain to climb. We have completed climbing that bigger mountain quicker than some others took to climb their smaller mountain. We haven’t completed climbing the mountain because we are not back to pre-brexit levels. According to official figures we will take a permanent hit of 4% and that is on top of the Covid impact so we can never climb back to where we were!" As you referenced other countries I assume you meant pre covid levels which were Jan this year. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy ." see same shit different day crack in lasses lol | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol" Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for? | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?" It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. " | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. " Sssh. Don’t spoil the narrative! | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?" yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal " Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. " someone needs to tell the government this. Seems this few bits of paperwork will cost businesses (or more likely the customers) 1bn a year and created quite significant price increases. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple." But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. " You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. " A recent report has stated that Brexit has caused food prices to increase by 6% | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. A recent report has stated that Brexit has caused food prices to increase by 6%" Got to love those reports that support certain sides of the argument | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. A recent report has stated that Brexit has caused food prices to increase by 6% Got to love those reports that support certain sides of the argument" Do you have a report that supports your side of the argument that doesn’t involve make believe and unicorns? | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. A recent report has stated that Brexit has caused food prices to increase by 6% Got to love those reports that support certain sides of the argument Do you have a report that supports your side of the argument that doesn’t involve make believe and unicorns? "Did I say I did? | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. A recent report has stated that Brexit has caused food prices to increase by 6% Got to love those reports that support certain sides of the argument Do you have a report that supports your side of the argument that doesn’t involve make believe and unicorns? "And where's the report that you refer to? Guardian? Mirror? People? Or some other wholly reliable unbiased source? | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. A recent report has stated that Brexit has caused food prices to increase by 6% Got to love those reports that support certain sides of the argument Do you have a report that supports your side of the argument that doesn’t involve make believe and unicorns?
Did I say I did? "No, but you must have evidence that the report is incorrect? Maybe a study that has found that Brexit has decreased the price of food? Do you know why they have scrapped the checks that were to be implemented for EU good coming into the UK? | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any impact on food prices. A few extra bits of paperwork hardly make any difference and it cuts both ways. The really serious problems have nothing to do with Brexit - namely world energy prices and global increases in the cost of food. Many crops have yet to be planted in Ukraine. A recent report has stated that Brexit has caused food prices to increase by 6% Got to love those reports that support certain sides of the argument Do you have a report that supports your side of the argument that doesn’t involve make believe and unicorns?
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. There's been a huge impact on GDP. And of course the labour shortage you mentioned. Not to mention the freedoms lost. And what could happen if the trade deals go ahead." Freedoms lost? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. There's been a huge impact on GDP. And of course the labour shortage you mentioned. Not to mention the freedoms lost. And what could happen if the trade deals go ahead. Freedoms lost?" Yeah, have you heard of ‘freedom of movement ‘ | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? " Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point." I agree, there are loads of jobs and increased wages is definitely a good thing (although this could easily be achieved without Brexit ) . The problem is the types of jobs that aren’t being filled, are there enough ‘British’ ‘manual ‘ workers prepared to do these jobs? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point. I agree, there are loads of jobs and increased wages is definitely a good thing (although this could easily be achieved without Brexit ) . The problem is the types of jobs that aren’t being filled, are there enough ‘British’ ‘manual ‘ workers prepared to do these jobs?" The thing is that people are expecting the market to instantly adjust. If there’s not enough supply then the demand side will have to adjust - those needing the workers will either increase wages to attract, diversify to adjust their labour needs or close shop if adaptation not possible and supply can’t be remedies. This is how markets work. Yes it is an artificial and some could argue unnecessary condition - but it is the condition we find ourselves in and how the market now needs to adjust, Food production for example: we’ve somehow come to expect cheap food as a right. That cheapness comes at a cost somewhere in the chain. If that’s no longer working then either the chain adapts, break prices go up to accommodate. We can’t have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply. This is simple economics and supply/demand mechanics. Like any transition period there will be some bumps in the road and adjustments. Any Brexit adjustments will be a picnic compared to global resource constrains, climate impact and the other fallout that will come from conflicts which ensue. The transitional and change experience from Brexit is an opportunity to learn and fine tune our adaptation skills. Embrace it. | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. " Raising wages and reduced supply is no win for anyone because prices are forced up, which leads to increased pay... You are well aware of this. Your business may be able to cope with a 2 to 3 day supply becoming 2 to 3 weeks. Many companies cannot. It means lost orders because they can't guarantee completion of a job or penalties for being late. You are well aware of this too. The EU is applying import restrictions closing and restricting markets to UK businesses but no check coming this way. Even Rees Mogg says it will increase prices, so... You really think there is no problem for any business to worry about, or just some? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. Raising wages and reduced supply is no win for anyone because prices are forced up, which leads to increased pay... You are well aware of this. Your business may be able to cope with a 2 to 3 day supply becoming 2 to 3 weeks. Many companies cannot. It means lost orders because they can't guarantee completion of a job or penalties for being late. You are well aware of this too. The EU is applying import restrictions closing and restricting markets to UK businesses but no check coming this way. Even Rees Mogg says it will increase prices, so... You really think there is no problem for any business to worry about, or just some?" Adapt, plan better. Diversify. Whatever those business do then we are where we are. Complaining about it won’t fix it. Companies had years to prepare for this so should have seem some of these risks coming. We were consulting in strategies 5 years ago. Of course there are impacts and challenges will be different for many sectors and individual companies. But unless a company rises up - leads a civil war, overthrows parliament and then appeals to Brussels to rejoin - it many be better off diverting energy to figuring out how to thrive . The new world. We may not have voted for it, we may not agree with the campaigns, we may not like the impacts. But what we do next is within our own hands. Does anyone complaining thinks the whole thing is going to be magically reversed if we complain enough? It would be nice to see some more can do attitude frankly. I’d be sacking or letting go such pessimism and replace with foreign optimism . | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. Raising wages and reduced supply is no win for anyone because prices are forced up, which leads to increased pay... You are well aware of this. Your business may be able to cope with a 2 to 3 day supply becoming 2 to 3 weeks. Many companies cannot. It means lost orders because they can't guarantee completion of a job or penalties for being late. You are well aware of this too. The EU is applying import restrictions closing and restricting markets to UK businesses but no check coming this way. Even Rees Mogg says it will increase prices, so... You really think there is no problem for any business to worry about, or just some? Adapt, plan better. Diversify. Whatever those business do then we are where we are. Complaining about it won’t fix it. Companies had years to prepare for this so should have seem some of these risks coming. We were consulting in strategies 5 years ago. Of course there are impacts and challenges will be different for many sectors and individual companies. But unless a company rises up - leads a civil war, overthrows parliament and then appeals to Brussels to rejoin - it many be better off diverting energy to figuring out how to thrive . The new world. We may not have voted for it, we may not agree with the campaigns, we may not like the impacts. But what we do next is within our own hands. Does anyone complaining thinks the whole thing is going to be magically reversed if we complain enough? It would be nice to see some more can do attitude frankly. I’d be sacking or letting go such pessimism and replace with foreign optimism . "Companies could not plan for something that they did not know the rules of. Not if they have complex supply chains. You are, perhaps, talking about your business. Not everybody's. Particularly those that fundamentally depend on small scale sales import/export. So, saying that people or companies "should have prepared", doesn't work. What a lot of companies are doing is coping because they cannot substitute specialist goods and services with any ease. Buying stock upfront, warehousing costs. Being "optimistic" solves nothing. Fundamentally higher costs. "Pulling yourselves up by bootstraps" and "getting on your bike" are easy phrases but only that. Yes, people will get on and do what they have to, but will just have to run faster to stand still. Wasted energy and effort which could have gone into growth and long term planning rather than having to solve tactical problems. Everyone is also completely at liberty to complain as much as they damn well please without being told by people who do some unrelated line of work that they should have planned better or tried harder or have more of a "can do attitude". That is both rude and patronising. Just another thing to add to the list of stresses over the last few years. No, nothing is going to improve the situation. Certainly not this government. to make it all fun  | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point. I agree, there are loads of jobs and increased wages is definitely a good thing (although this could easily be achieved without Brexit ) . The problem is the types of jobs that aren’t being filled, are there enough ‘British’ ‘manual ‘ workers prepared to do these jobs? The thing is that people are expecting the market to instantly adjust. If there’s not enough supply then the demand side will have to adjust - those needing the workers will either increase wages to attract, diversify to adjust their labour needs or close shop if adaptation not possible and supply can’t be remedies. This is how markets work. Yes it is an artificial and some could argue unnecessary condition - but it is the condition we find ourselves in and how the market now needs to adjust, Food production for example: we’ve somehow come to expect cheap food as a right. That cheapness comes at a cost somewhere in the chain. If that’s no longer working then either the chain adapts, break prices go up to accommodate. We can’t have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply. This is simple economics and supply/demand mechanics. Like any transition period there will be some bumps in the road and adjustments. Any Brexit adjustments will be a picnic compared to global resource constrains, climate impact and the other fallout that will come from conflicts which ensue. The transitional and change experience from Brexit is an opportunity to learn and fine tune our adaptation skills. Embrace it. "Economically you are incorrect. You can have higher wages if you are more productive and lower prices if supply is met both domestically and through imports due to that increased productivity. A flood or a trickle or any other amount of immigration can also be accommodated if the demand for labour exists and cannot be met domestically. You know this too. The "bumps" in the road do not get dealt with or solved, they just get aggregated to all of the larger global issues so that we permanently do a little worse than we would have done. We get to experience the pain now, but with such a long timeframe for coping with the initial upheavwl it's very possible that we see no pay back whatsoever. I have no interest in being told I'm negative because it's a nonsense. Accept the problem and that it could be a permanent handicap. Don't deny it and pretend it will all be fine. Everyone will get on with things as best they can. It will be easier for some than others. Accept that too and don't criticise and patronise those who are in a less fortunate position of you can... | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point. I agree, there are loads of jobs and increased wages is definitely a good thing (although this could easily be achieved without Brexit ) . The problem is the types of jobs that aren’t being filled, are there enough ‘British’ ‘manual ‘ workers prepared to do these jobs? The thing is that people are expecting the market to instantly adjust. If there’s not enough supply then the demand side will have to adjust - those needing the workers will either increase wages to attract, diversify to adjust their labour needs or close shop if adaptation not possible and supply can’t be remedies. This is how markets work. Yes it is an artificial and some could argue unnecessary condition - but it is the condition we find ourselves in and how the market now needs to adjust, Food production for example: we’ve somehow come to expect cheap food as a right. That cheapness comes at a cost somewhere in the chain. If that’s no longer working then either the chain adapts, break prices go up to accommodate. We can’t have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply. This is simple economics and supply/demand mechanics. Like any transition period there will be some bumps in the road and adjustments. Any Brexit adjustments will be a picnic compared to global resource constrains, climate impact and the other fallout that will come from conflicts which ensue. The transitional and change experience from Brexit is an opportunity to learn and fine tune our adaptation skills. Embrace it.
Economically you are incorrect.
You can have higher wages if you are more productive and lower prices if supply is met both domestically and through imports due to that increased productivity. A flood or a trickle or any other amount of immigration can also be accommodated if the demand for labour exists and cannot be met domestically.
You know this too.
The "bumps" in the road do not get dealt with or solved, they just get aggregated to all of the larger global issues so that we permanently do a little worse than we would have done.
We get to experience the pain now, but with such a long timeframe for coping with the initial upheavwl it's very possible that we see no pay back whatsoever.
I have no interest in being told I'm negative because it's a nonsense.
Accept the problem and that it could be a permanent handicap. Don't deny it and pretend it will all be fine.
Everyone will get on with things as best they can. It will be easier for some than others. Accept that too and don't criticise and patronise those who are in a less fortunate position of you can..."Incorrect? You changed the goal posts. Nobody talked about productivity enhancements. Simply supply and demand. You can remove the need for immigrant labour and indigenous labour in many industries if you introduce robotics and automation. We were talking about supply and demand of labour and the influence on cheap food and wages. That equation did not include automation or productivity enhancements. Maybe that will be the solution to the farming jobs that go unfilled. Some enterprise will develop cost effective fruit picking robots. So cheap food through no wage rises or even wages at all. Best way for wage inflation to be meaningful is through education and up skilling. Anything rlse is just a short term fix. You know this. At least i do. 25 years ago the going rate for skills I started out with was £40 an hour. Can’t get anywhere near that now for same skills - as they are no longer much in demand and Indians, Philiponos and Bulgarians and Others will do the work for less than 1/4 of that: not much productivity enhancement - but labour arbitrage. Some of which literally physically imported by the plan load and out up in flats for 6 months at a time. All under EU rules too. Now if you want to earn the inflation adjusted equivalent you need much better skills. That’s not really possible for time and motion simple labour tasks such as picking fruit, staking shelves or whatnot. How are they supposed to become more productive? So they get more money. Great. But it will soon go in higher prices. Don’t get me wrong - i’m not anti immigration. Labour is labour. Money does not care where the worker comes from. They are a resource. Just like a part for a machine. But simple fact is if you have an endless supply if cheap labour, then it keeps wages down across the board. That’s why the EU expanded into Eastern Europe to tap into all that well educated but very cheap workforce who was hungry for work. It helped them lift out of poverty. But at the expense of low skilled elsewhere. The highly skilled across the Eu Benefited and we ignore the impacted low skilled cause frankly did we really care beyond virtue signalling on forums? With hindsight I don’t think we did. If they’d not been disenfranchised so much maybe they would have not been so easily swayed by the negative eurosceptic press. Oh and if simply paying higher wages increases productivity and improves things. Crack on and do it for your employees. I’ve given mine 7% back in January to help cope with the pending rises. Can’t say productivity’s gone up much, but it has avoided too many departures. Will probably need to hike another few % before the year is out if things continue as they are. But we’re lucky service is in high demand so we can get away with it. Not all business can quite so easily. But I’m sure Tesco and such would welcome free consultancy on how to improve their productivity and manage wages for their staff. Shall we email them a link to this thread? | |||
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"Did Spain and Germany leave the EU as well? Must have missed it. They must have because food prices are going through the roof there as well. And by all accounts pretty much everywhere else. Surely it can't be anything to do with fuel prices. All those trucks hammering up the motorway from Spain full of lettuce and tomatoes are all wind powered. Aren't they? Yes prices are up on everything in France as well. However the French government put a ceiling on fuel prices and every bakery has to have a basic baguette at a set price. I think everywhere in the world has been hit with some price rises including because of the war in Ukrane, which grew a lot of produce.don’t forget the biggest pandemic in over a hundred years Covid is over , apparently as the effects of covid passed then great news Yeah, it’s over , we are the fastest growing economy in the world, apparently well that’s great news isn’t it so I take it your happy then lol Fastest growing is great but not when you factor in the baseline that shows we took the biggest hit so have a bigger mountain to climb. We may be climbing faster than others but we have further to go.maybe if we where the slowest growing economy then some on here would be happy lol Why would people be happy with that? well your not happy with it been the fastest going by the posts I haven't expressed an opinion either way. Didn't you vote to completely knacker the economy. If so, why are you now pleased that it's clawing its way back?sorry it was ment for fabtastic mate and no I didn’t vote to completely knacker the economy no leave voter did we voted to leave the eu only a totally Moron would think such a thing and like you say we are crawling our way back just like the eu But you knew it would knacker the economy though right? Yes, of course, he knew what he was voting for, they all did Although they claimed not to have voted for what they voted for. I guess they are just like their hero Boris, a bit confused , they voted to wreck the economy but didn’t know this until somebody pointed out that they have voted to wreck the economy .see same shit different day crack in lasses lol Not sure what this means. But you did vote to wreck the economy. Maybe you knew that, and didn't care, or maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. Either way, you're now happy that the economy is clawing its way back from the damage you voted for?yes 17.4 million voted to reck the economy have you heard yourself your loosing the plot petal Erm. They did though. Not sure why you're taking issue with it. Either they did deliberately, or they didn't know what they were voting for. Simple. But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point." But you’re arguing against your own point. The economy hasn’t grown and yet is more expensive and difficult to get labour . It’s not a show stopper I agree but it’s more expensive isn’t it. That puts prices up and hurts those on low incomes never mind the loss in tax revenue with all the excess vacancies. The U.K. job seeker clearly wasn’t looking for jobs taken by others as you’re still recruiting from abroad . We all adapt as you are doing but as a country we are much worse off. | |||
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" But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point. I agree, there are loads of jobs and increased wages is definitely a good thing (although this could easily be achieved without Brexit ) . The problem is the types of jobs that aren’t being filled, are there enough ‘British’ ‘manual ‘ workers prepared to do these jobs? The thing is that people are expecting the market to instantly adjust. If there’s not enough supply then the demand side will have to adjust - those needing the workers will either increase wages to attract, diversify to adjust their labour needs or close shop if adaptation not possible and supply can’t be remedies. This is how markets work. Yes it is an artificial and some could argue unnecessary condition - but it is the condition we find ourselves in and how the market now needs to adjust, Food production for example: we’ve somehow come to expect cheap food as a right. That cheapness comes at a cost somewhere in the chain. If that’s no longer working then either the chain adapts, break prices go up to accommodate. We can’t have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply. This is simple economics and supply/demand mechanics. Like any transition period there will be some bumps in the road and adjustments. Any Brexit adjustments will be a picnic compared to global resource constrains, climate impact and the other fallout that will come from conflicts which ensue. The transitional and change experience from Brexit is an opportunity to learn and fine tune our adaptation skills. Embrace it.
Economically you are incorrect.
You can have higher wages if you are more productive and lower prices if supply is met both domestically and through imports due to that increased productivity. A flood or a trickle or any other amount of immigration can also be accommodated if the demand for labour exists and cannot be met domestically.
You know this too.
The "bumps" in the road do not get dealt with or solved, they just get aggregated to all of the larger global issues so that we permanently do a little worse than we would have done.
We get to experience the pain now, but with such a long timeframe for coping with the initial upheavwl it's very possible that we see no pay back whatsoever.
I have no interest in being told I'm negative because it's a nonsense.
Accept the problem and that it could be a permanent handicap. Don't deny it and pretend it will all be fine.
Everyone will get on with things as best they can. It will be easier for some than others. Accept that too and don't criticise and patronise those who are in a less fortunate position of you can...
Incorrect? You changed the goal posts. Nobody talked about productivity enhancements. Simply supply and demand.
You can remove the need for immigrant labour and indigenous labour in many industries if you introduce robotics and automation.
We were talking about supply and demand of labour and the influence on cheap food and wages. That equation did not include automation or productivity enhancements.
Maybe that will be the solution to the farming jobs that go unfilled. Some enterprise will develop cost effective fruit picking robots. So cheap food through no wage rises or even wages at all.
Best way for wage inflation to be meaningful is through education and up skilling. Anything rlse is just a short term fix.
You know this.
At least i do. 25 years ago the going rate for skills I started out with was £40 an hour. Can’t get anywhere near that now for same skills - as they are no longer much in demand and Indians, Philiponos and Bulgarians and Others will do the work for less than 1/4 of that: not much productivity enhancement - but labour arbitrage. Some of which literally physically imported by the plan load and out up in flats for 6 months at a time. All under EU rules too. Now if you want to earn the inflation adjusted equivalent you need much better skills.
That’s not really possible for time and motion simple labour tasks such as picking fruit, staking shelves or whatnot. How are they supposed to become more productive? So they get more money. Great. But it will soon go in higher prices.
Don’t get me wrong - i’m not anti immigration. Labour is labour. Money does not care where the worker comes from. They are a resource. Just like a part for a machine.
But simple fact is if you have an endless supply if cheap labour, then it keeps wages down across the board. That’s why the EU expanded into Eastern Europe to tap into all that well educated but very cheap workforce who was hungry for work. It helped them lift out of poverty. But at the expense of low skilled elsewhere. The highly skilled across the Eu Benefited and we ignore the impacted low skilled cause frankly did we really care beyond virtue signalling on forums? With hindsight I don’t think we did. If they’d not been disenfranchised so much maybe they would have not been so easily swayed by the negative eurosceptic press.
Oh and if simply paying higher wages increases productivity and improves things. Crack on and do it for your employees. I’ve given mine 7% back in January to help cope with the pending rises. Can’t say productivity’s gone up much, but it has avoided too many departures. Will probably need to hike another few % before the year is out if things continue as they are. But we’re lucky service is in high demand so we can get away with it. Not all business can quite so easily. But I’m sure Tesco and such would welcome free consultancy on how to improve their productivity and manage wages for their staff. Shall we email them a link to this thread?
"There were goalposts moved you said that it is not possible to "have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply". It is. I explained how. Your statement is only true if you don't improve how you operate. You have just been extolling the virtue of adapting and improving at length. So now you are stating that we shouldn't do as you have been saying so as to prove your "basic economics" correct? Not everyone is capable of doing higher value work. That's one of the reasons for immigration and will drive the use of remote teams. Those doing lower skilled jobs become more valuable by being more productive through more efficient working practices or being aided by automation. Regardless, companies should not have wages subsidised by the state. That's what I stated earlier. I agree that if a company cannot pay staff a living wage and be viable then they should shut. As a society we have decided that we do not want people to live in poverty so we have social care safety net which most people agree with. Companies, particularly large ones, take advantage of this. If a proper minimum wage level is set then no immigrant or anybody at all can undercut it. A floor is set that puts a proper value on things like food and cleaning and elderly and childcare. It doesn't improve productivity, but it places the burden on employers to provide an appropriate wage and as the market will bear only a certain price will squeeze profits to a more representative level. It will also make the value of automation more visible and drive the investment which Germany and France and other higher wage countries have made. There was immigration to richer Western countries and then a return as those countries became more prosperous and expats returned to fill those positions. As was the intention of the process. As a country, we chose to subsidise companies with low wages made up for by the taxpayer. Treating people as just another subsidised resource is what caused that problem. Free movement did not. So, again, please try to stop patronising those who cannot adapt as easily as whatever your business is that would be nice. The problems and challenges are not simple, not are the solutions. Optimism isn't always enough. We are all getting on with it because there's no choice. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..?" No. No punishment. This is what our country voted to do and our government negotiated to happen. Interesting that not the Brexit Benefits Minister is not putting the rules in place still. '"It would be wrong to impose new administrative burdens and risk disruption at ports." He claimed that the delay would save British businesses up to £1bn in annual costs. it would have been "an act of self-harm" if the government had decided to go ahead with the import controls. He said the checks would have brought "quite significant" price increases for people at a time when the government was "trying to reduce costs." These would have included a "71% increase - maximum level - on the retail price" of small deliveries like cheese. He said: "You would have been adding potentially £500 of costs on a shipment of fish fingers, that then falls through to the consumer."' So actually "getting Brexit done" would be a bad thing. | |||
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" But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point. I agree, there are loads of jobs and increased wages is definitely a good thing (although this could easily be achieved without Brexit ) . The problem is the types of jobs that aren’t being filled, are there enough ‘British’ ‘manual ‘ workers prepared to do these jobs? The thing is that people are expecting the market to instantly adjust. If there’s not enough supply then the demand side will have to adjust - those needing the workers will either increase wages to attract, diversify to adjust their labour needs or close shop if adaptation not possible and supply can’t be remedies. This is how markets work. Yes it is an artificial and some could argue unnecessary condition - but it is the condition we find ourselves in and how the market now needs to adjust, Food production for example: we’ve somehow come to expect cheap food as a right. That cheapness comes at a cost somewhere in the chain. If that’s no longer working then either the chain adapts, break prices go up to accommodate. We can’t have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply. This is simple economics and supply/demand mechanics. Like any transition period there will be some bumps in the road and adjustments. Any Brexit adjustments will be a picnic compared to global resource constrains, climate impact and the other fallout that will come from conflicts which ensue. The transitional and change experience from Brexit is an opportunity to learn and fine tune our adaptation skills. Embrace it.
Economically you are incorrect.
You can have higher wages if you are more productive and lower prices if supply is met both domestically and through imports due to that increased productivity. A flood or a trickle or any other amount of immigration can also be accommodated if the demand for labour exists and cannot be met domestically.
You know this too.
The "bumps" in the road do not get dealt with or solved, they just get aggregated to all of the larger global issues so that we permanently do a little worse than we would have done.
We get to experience the pain now, but with such a long timeframe for coping with the initial upheavwl it's very possible that we see no pay back whatsoever.
I have no interest in being told I'm negative because it's a nonsense.
Accept the problem and that it could be a permanent handicap. Don't deny it and pretend it will all be fine.
Everyone will get on with things as best they can. It will be easier for some than others. Accept that too and don't criticise and patronise those who are in a less fortunate position of you can...
Incorrect? You changed the goal posts. Nobody talked about productivity enhancements. Simply supply and demand.
You can remove the need for immigrant labour and indigenous labour in many industries if you introduce robotics and automation.
We were talking about supply and demand of labour and the influence on cheap food and wages. That equation did not include automation or productivity enhancements.
Maybe that will be the solution to the farming jobs that go unfilled. Some enterprise will develop cost effective fruit picking robots. So cheap food through no wage rises or even wages at all.
Best way for wage inflation to be meaningful is through education and up skilling. Anything rlse is just a short term fix.
You know this.
At least i do. 25 years ago the going rate for skills I started out with was £40 an hour. Can’t get anywhere near that now for same skills - as they are no longer much in demand and Indians, Philiponos and Bulgarians and Others will do the work for less than 1/4 of that: not much productivity enhancement - but labour arbitrage. Some of which literally physically imported by the plan load and out up in flats for 6 months at a time. All under EU rules too. Now if you want to earn the inflation adjusted equivalent you need much better skills.
That’s not really possible for time and motion simple labour tasks such as picking fruit, staking shelves or whatnot. How are they supposed to become more productive? So they get more money. Great. But it will soon go in higher prices.
Don’t get me wrong - i’m not anti immigration. Labour is labour. Money does not care where the worker comes from. They are a resource. Just like a part for a machine.
But simple fact is if you have an endless supply if cheap labour, then it keeps wages down across the board. That’s why the EU expanded into Eastern Europe to tap into all that well educated but very cheap workforce who was hungry for work. It helped them lift out of poverty. But at the expense of low skilled elsewhere. The highly skilled across the Eu Benefited and we ignore the impacted low skilled cause frankly did we really care beyond virtue signalling on forums? With hindsight I don’t think we did. If they’d not been disenfranchised so much maybe they would have not been so easily swayed by the negative eurosceptic press.
Oh and if simply paying higher wages increases productivity and improves things. Crack on and do it for your employees. I’ve given mine 7% back in January to help cope with the pending rises. Can’t say productivity’s gone up much, but it has avoided too many departures. Will probably need to hike another few % before the year is out if things continue as they are. But we’re lucky service is in high demand so we can get away with it. Not all business can quite so easily. But I’m sure Tesco and such would welcome free consultancy on how to improve their productivity and manage wages for their staff. Shall we email them a link to this thread?
There were goalposts moved you said that it is not possible to "have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply".
It is. I explained how. Your statement is only true if you don't improve how you operate. You have just been extolling the virtue of adapting and improving at length. So now you are stating that we shouldn't do as you have been saying so as to prove your "basic economics" correct?
Not everyone is capable of doing higher value work. That's one of the reasons for immigration and will drive the use of remote teams.
Those doing lower skilled jobs become more valuable by being more productive through more efficient working practices or being aided by automation.
Regardless, companies should not have wages subsidised by the state. That's what I stated earlier. I agree that if a company cannot pay staff a living wage and be viable then they should shut.
As a society we have decided that we do not want people to live in poverty so we have social care safety net which most people agree with. Companies, particularly large ones, take advantage of this.
If a proper minimum wage level is set then no immigrant or anybody at all can undercut it. A floor is set that puts a proper value on things like food and cleaning and elderly and childcare.
It doesn't improve productivity, but it places the burden on employers to provide an appropriate wage and as the market will bear only a certain price will squeeze profits to a more representative level. It will also make the value of automation more visible and drive the investment which Germany and France and other higher wage countries have made.
There was immigration to richer Western countries and then a return as those countries became more prosperous and expats returned to fill those positions. As was the intention of the process.
As a country, we chose to subsidise companies with low wages made up for by the taxpayer. Treating people as just another subsidised resource is what caused that problem. Free movement did not.
So, again, please try to stop patronising those who cannot adapt as easily as whatever your business is that would be nice.
The problems and challenges are not simple, not are the solutions. Optimism isn't always enough.
We are all getting on with it because there's no choice."You’re mixing so many topocs hard to see what point it is you’re trying to make. We agree supply /demand imbalance impacts wages. We agree supply increase AND higher productivity can also increase wages. I assume () that supply increase MINUS productivity enhancement i.e status quo would not increase wages without regulator support. We agree that taxpayer subsidy if the true cost of labour is wrong and immoral. Difference seems to be that i treat the supply side and the productivity as two seperate elemtns wheas you’re insisting on combining them as if they could never be mutually exclusive. I’m not aware of any constraint on innovation or technological engancements that have changed as a reault of Brexit. So the productivity enhancement has fk all to do with supply constraints. Though I concede supply constraints can help drive said innovation - necessity is the mother of invention and all that. Whereas when the supply side only needs a quick call to an agent in Romania or wherever then why bother spending millions on R&d when a busload can arrive to do the work for a few grand? So I’m not sure what you’re upset about. I agree with all your points. Just we have to choose which goal we’re aiming for. You simply seem to take a dislike to any mention of removing the need for immigration? I supported free movement. I voted remain. But i’m also not hypocritical in that I acknowledge it screws over the low paid. Fact is it helped me make money so why would I really care? I could be wrong but have most wages (lower quartiles) increased in real terms vs cost of living and property affordability in the last 30 years? Might that be at least a function (at least in part) due to a vastly growing population and endless supply if labour to fill gaps? I’m not sure who you’re advocating for? You seem to want low prices, low inflation, unlimited immigration and high wages. All this magical transformation and yet i’m called patronising for suggesting companies learn to adapt. I’d have no clue how to achieve all that to be honest. Since we operate in a global Market designed around the principles of cost efficiency and arbitrage. But i’ll humbly submit to your superior guidance. Let us know once you’re achieved it. I’d be happy to send a case of champagne to celebrate. | |||
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"Reports that post Brexit trade barries have put the price of food up imported from the EU. Are we being punished for daring to leave..? No. No punishment. This is what our country voted to do and our government negotiated to happen. Interesting that not the Brexit Benefits Minister is not putting the rules in place still. '"It would be wrong to impose new administrative burdens and risk disruption at ports." He claimed that the delay would save British businesses up to £1bn in annual costs. it would have been "an act of self-harm" if the government had decided to go ahead with the import controls. He said the checks would have brought "quite significant" price increases for people at a time when the government was "trying to reduce costs." These would have included a "71% increase - maximum level - on the retail price" of small deliveries like cheese. He said: "You would have been adding potentially £500 of costs on a shipment of fish fingers, that then falls through to the consumer."' So actually "getting Brexit done" would be a bad thing." It is a shit show on that side. But then again we can make fish fingers and cheese here so why import? After all did the UK not screw over the French and steal back the fish? And we apparently have a load of fishermen doing fk all up north and land there is cheap to make a factory. Ae even have a famous character we can use to advertise them. A chap with a beard and a cap. Captain something or other. If we (UK) are incapable of making the fish fingers cheaper than it would to import them plus the extra paperwork cost, then i guess we have to innovate or pay to import. Not rocket science is it really? We used to make a shitload of stuff here, taught the world how to make their stuff. So we can learn again surely? I think jt is called productivity enhancements or something like that. | |||
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" But there’s a jobs “boom” in relative terms to supply. Economy might be down in some metrics. But there’s no mass unemployment? What’s the biggest downside other than waiting a bit linger for stuff and a bit of paperwork? Are there masses of unemployed queueing for scarce jobs? I’m struggling to hire many roles dispute increasing wages (not min jobs either) . So people looking for work obviously have their pick. I voted remain: would gladly go back to EU as support the concept. But frankly have had very little impact since leaving either. I’m truely bemused hy this continual bleating about it 3 or 4 years on. Biggest ball ache so for has been waiting a few extra weeks for a delivery from a German supplier. 2 to 3 weeks delivery rather than 2 to 3 days. Hardly the end of the world. You have just highlighted a problem,’ your struggling to hire many roles ‘? Why? Because there is huge demand and a shortage of trained skills. It is a worldwide shortage and brining people in is not an issue. Already brining people in from Romania, Poland, India and a few other places. Brexit made fk all difference if you know how to get the people in. But getting hold of quality is hard. My point was that a benefit to many is an increase in demand which can’t be bad for their personal wage prospects surely. Yes the hiring challenges are a minor inconvenience - but that just means we have to pay more or things take a little linger or we’re forced to innovate around the challenge. None of which is a show stopper. But for the UK job seeker this is a hood thing. To an extent. That was my point. I agree, there are loads of jobs and increased wages is definitely a good thing (although this could easily be achieved without Brexit ) . The problem is the types of jobs that aren’t being filled, are there enough ‘British’ ‘manual ‘ workers prepared to do these jobs? The thing is that people are expecting the market to instantly adjust. If there’s not enough supply then the demand side will have to adjust - those needing the workers will either increase wages to attract, diversify to adjust their labour needs or close shop if adaptation not possible and supply can’t be remedies. This is how markets work. Yes it is an artificial and some could argue unnecessary condition - but it is the condition we find ourselves in and how the market now needs to adjust, Food production for example: we’ve somehow come to expect cheap food as a right. That cheapness comes at a cost somewhere in the chain. If that’s no longer working then either the chain adapts, break prices go up to accommodate. We can’t have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply. This is simple economics and supply/demand mechanics. Like any transition period there will be some bumps in the road and adjustments. Any Brexit adjustments will be a picnic compared to global resource constrains, climate impact and the other fallout that will come from conflicts which ensue. The transitional and change experience from Brexit is an opportunity to learn and fine tune our adaptation skills. Embrace it.
Economically you are incorrect.
You can have higher wages if you are more productive and lower prices if supply is met both domestically and through imports due to that increased productivity. A flood or a trickle or any other amount of immigration can also be accommodated if the demand for labour exists and cannot be met domestically.
You know this too.
The "bumps" in the road do not get dealt with or solved, they just get aggregated to all of the larger global issues so that we permanently do a little worse than we would have done.
We get to experience the pain now, but with such a long timeframe for coping with the initial upheavwl it's very possible that we see no pay back whatsoever.
I have no interest in being told I'm negative because it's a nonsense.
Accept the problem and that it could be a permanent handicap. Don't deny it and pretend it will all be fine.
Everyone will get on with things as best they can. It will be easier for some than others. Accept that too and don't criticise and patronise those who are in a less fortunate position of you can...
Incorrect? You changed the goal posts. Nobody talked about productivity enhancements. Simply supply and demand.
You can remove the need for immigrant labour and indigenous labour in many industries if you introduce robotics and automation.
We were talking about supply and demand of labour and the influence on cheap food and wages. That equation did not include automation or productivity enhancements.
Maybe that will be the solution to the farming jobs that go unfilled. Some enterprise will develop cost effective fruit picking robots. So cheap food through no wage rises or even wages at all.
Best way for wage inflation to be meaningful is through education and up skilling. Anything rlse is just a short term fix.
You know this.
At least i do. 25 years ago the going rate for skills I started out with was £40 an hour. Can’t get anywhere near that now for same skills - as they are no longer much in demand and Indians, Philiponos and Bulgarians and Others will do the work for less than 1/4 of that: not much productivity enhancement - but labour arbitrage. Some of which literally physically imported by the plan load and out up in flats for 6 months at a time. All under EU rules too. Now if you want to earn the inflation adjusted equivalent you need much better skills.
That’s not really possible for time and motion simple labour tasks such as picking fruit, staking shelves or whatnot. How are they supposed to become more productive? So they get more money. Great. But it will soon go in higher prices.
Don’t get me wrong - i’m not anti immigration. Labour is labour. Money does not care where the worker comes from. They are a resource. Just like a part for a machine.
But simple fact is if you have an endless supply if cheap labour, then it keeps wages down across the board. That’s why the EU expanded into Eastern Europe to tap into all that well educated but very cheap workforce who was hungry for work. It helped them lift out of poverty. But at the expense of low skilled elsewhere. The highly skilled across the Eu Benefited and we ignore the impacted low skilled cause frankly did we really care beyond virtue signalling on forums? With hindsight I don’t think we did. If they’d not been disenfranchised so much maybe they would have not been so easily swayed by the negative eurosceptic press.
Oh and if simply paying higher wages increases productivity and improves things. Crack on and do it for your employees. I’ve given mine 7% back in January to help cope with the pending rises. Can’t say productivity’s gone up much, but it has avoided too many departures. Will probably need to hike another few % before the year is out if things continue as they are. But we’re lucky service is in high demand so we can get away with it. Not all business can quite so easily. But I’m sure Tesco and such would welcome free consultancy on how to improve their productivity and manage wages for their staff. Shall we email them a link to this thread?
There were goalposts moved you said that it is not possible to "have better living wages AND keep prices down AND encourage a flood of external labour supply".
It is. I explained how. Your statement is only true if you don't improve how you operate. You have just been extolling the virtue of adapting and improving at length. So now you are stating that we shouldn't do as you have been saying so as to prove your "basic economics" correct?
Not everyone is capable of doing higher value work. That's one of the reasons for immigration and will drive the use of remote teams.
Those doing lower skilled jobs become more valuable by being more productive through more efficient working practices or being aided by automation.
Regardless, companies should not have wages subsidised by the state. That's what I stated earlier. I agree that if a company cannot pay staff a living wage and be viable then they should shut.
As a society we have decided that we do not want people to live in poverty so we have social care safety net which most people agree with. Companies, particularly large ones, take advantage of this.
If a proper minimum wage level is set then no immigrant or anybody at all can undercut it. A floor is set that puts a proper value on things like food and cleaning and elderly and childcare.
It doesn't improve productivity, but it places the burden on employers to provide an appropriate wage and as the market will bear only a certain price will squeeze profits to a more representative level. It will also make the value of automation more visible and drive the investment which Germany and France and other higher wage countries have made.
There was immigration to richer Western countries and then a return as those countries became more prosperous and expats returned to fill those positions. As was the intention of the process.
As a country, we chose to subsidise companies with low wages made up for by the taxpayer. Treating people as just another subsidised resource is what caused that problem. Free movement did not.
So, again, please try to stop patronising those who cannot adapt as easily as whatever your business is that would be nice.
The problems and challenges are not simple, not are the solutions. Optimism isn't always enough.
We are all getting on with it because there's no choice.
You’re mixing so many topocs hard to see what point it is you’re trying to make.
We agree supply /demand imbalance impacts wages.
We agree supply increase AND higher productivity can also increase wages.
I assume () that supply increase MINUS productivity enhancement i.e status quo would not increase wages without regulator support.
We agree that taxpayer subsidy if the true cost of labour is wrong and immoral.
Difference seems to be that i treat the supply side and the productivity as two seperate elemtns wheas you’re insisting on combining them as if they could never be mutually exclusive. I’m not aware of any constraint on innovation or technological engancements that have changed as a reault of Brexit. So the productivity enhancement has fk all to do with supply constraints. Though I concede supply constraints can help drive said innovation - necessity is the mother of invention and all that. Whereas when the supply side only needs a quick call to an agent in Romania or wherever then why bother spending millions on R&d when a busload can arrive to do the work for a few grand?
So I’m not sure what you’re upset about. I agree with all your points. Just we have to choose which goal we’re aiming for.
You simply seem to take a dislike to any mention of removing the need for immigration? I supported free movement. I voted remain. But i’m also not hypocritical in that I acknowledge it screws over the low paid. Fact is it helped me make money so why would I really care? I could be wrong but have most wages (lower quartiles) increased in real terms vs cost of living and property affordability in the last 30 years? Might that be at least a function (at least in part) due to a vastly growing population and endless supply if labour to fill gaps?
I’m not sure who you’re advocating for? You seem to want low prices, low inflation, unlimited immigration and high wages. All this magical transformation and yet i’m called patronising for suggesting companies learn to adapt. I’d have no clue how to achieve all that to be honest. Since we operate in a global
Market designed around the principles of cost efficiency and arbitrage.
But i’ll humbly submit to your superior guidance. Let us know once you’re achieved it. I’d be happy to send a case of champagne to celebrate.
"I have not "mixed topics". I am responding directly to those that you have made with little expansion. Even that requires a view of the overall system rather than trying to treat isolated matters as individually and independently soluble. Technical innovation is now constrained with a reduction in the ability to import some technologies for development in a timely manner. I am not advocating for uncontrolled immigration. Refugees and those seeking asylum are assessed on the merits of their cases. A labour market that has no wage floor reduces wages. If wages cannot be undercut then there is no reason to import staff. If jobs remain unfilled and locals won't do them then either a company hires immigrants at the price that the market demands or invests in automation or training if competitive. Imported labour is not automatically better if it does not reduce wages with a supply increase. Increased supply does not reduce cost. I have not stated that there is a need for immigration. I object to immigration being categorised as a negative outcome or some form of failure. Freedom of movement did not cause a problem in incomes and living conditions. Our country's choices about how to implement it did. I have no idea why you are discussing Brexit with respect to productivity enhancing technology except for the fact that importing physical equipment would cost more and take longer. You are patronising for assuming that your experience of the problems surrounding Brexit and your industry's ability to cope with them are representative of other people's. Telling them that they should have planned better and weeks of delay are a minor inconvenience and that they should be more optimistic and get on with it. If you think this is fine, then our definitions are different. Yes, the aim is to get low prices, low inflation and high wages. Would your aim be to deliberately not try to get as close to this as possible? Immigration will be what it is to achieve the goal of making the whole population prosperous either native or foreign born. You advocate for something else if you like. | |||
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" You advocate for something else if you like." I’m not really advocating anything. I have opinions, I comment. As do many others. I don’t particularly care what happens in either direction - I always hedge and have a plan B. Whilst I have sympathy and am not bereft of empathy - I’ll freely admit that whilst I feel I contribute enough tax, i’m not going to worry much further about the ills of the world. I’ve lived long enough and been close enough to corporate lobbying and policy makers to know how the system works and what can change and what is unlikely to change without some radical violence. UK Even post Brexit, post Pandemic, Post 10 years of austerity and facing the highest inflation for a generation - is still far too comfortable to make any meaningful change. The frogs need a but more time in the water. Sadly 1/2 of them are too stupid to know their wet. | |||
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"Time to grow oure own. In ww2 the quote was dig for victory eg grow oure own In the 60s we had lion marks on oure eggs Its time to suply oure own as at present if trade with others stops now we all starv " Don't remember this being on the brexit bus. | |||
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"Time to grow oure own. In ww2 the quote was dig for victory eg grow oure own In the 60s we had lion marks on oure eggs Its time to suply oure own as at present if trade with others stops now we all starv Don't remember this being on the brexit bus." | |||
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"Time to grow oure own. In ww2 the quote was dig for victory eg grow oure own In the 60s we had lion marks on oure eggs Its time to suply oure own as at present if trade with others stops now we all starv " lion eggs seems to be 1998. Unless there was a precursor. Brexit. Make Britain Ration. | |||
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"The biggest liars were Cameron Osborne and Obama They caused Brexit " Nothing to do with decades of misinformation against the EU, nothing to do with the illegally funded leave campaigns pumping out hate and fear, nothing to do with Boris being a lying sack of shit? Absolutely stunned to find out it was Obama is in there to be blamed. (If true) You have a point about Cameron. He kicked off the referendum to try to win back far right voters who had defected to ukip. Where is he now? Fucked off as soon as the shit hit the proverbial brexit fan. | |||
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"The biggest liars were Cameron Osborne and Obama They caused Brexit " Obama? | |||
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"The biggest liars were Cameron Osborne and Obama They caused Brexit Obama? " yeah, he said the UK would be at the back of the queue remember. How he was lying. How that "lie" caused brexit I don't know. Weren't they all "lying" to keep us in. Sure if a liar caused Brexit it would be a leaver ? Like JRM.  | |||
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"The biggest liars were Cameron Osborne and Obama They caused Brexit Obama? yeah, he said the UK would be at the back of the queue remember. How he was lying. How that "lie" caused brexit I don't know. Weren't they all "lying" to keep us in. Sure if a liar caused Brexit it would be a leaver ? Like JRM. "Ah, but we are at the back of the queue, poor Tom is getting confused again | |||
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"It was Project Fear. A huge miscalculation by Osborne and Cameron and yes.. Obama fed us Cameron lies" Ah yes. "Project fear", which as it happens, turned out to be "project reality". What exactly did Obama lie about that caused people to vote leave? | |||
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"It was Project Fear. A huge miscalculation by Osborne and Cameron and yes.. Obama fed us Cameron lies" So people didn’t vote Brexit because it was beneficial? It was because Obama told the truth? Amazing claim | |||
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"It was Project Fear. A huge miscalculation by Osborne and Cameron and yes.. Obama fed us Cameron lies" US trade deal going well then ? I still don't get how lying by the remain side causes Brexit. People may have voted leave despite the lies. But because of them ? | |||
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"It was Project Fear. A huge miscalculation by Osborne and Cameron and yes.. Obama fed us Cameron liesUS trade deal going well then ? I still don't get how lying by the remain side causes Brexit. People may have voted leave despite the lies. But because of them ? " Lies like increasing prices of food from the EU? | |||
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"Because of the lies.. " because. Lies. | |||
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"Because of the lies.. because. Lies. " lies. | |||
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"Lies lies lies.. On both side.. Let it go people's.. " you started the thread! And then brough in the remain "lies" 
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"Lies lies lies.. On both side.. Let it go people's.. you started the thread! And then brough in the remain "lies"
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"Lies lies lies.. On both side.. Let it go people's.. " What has this got to do with Obama? You brought him into the thread? | |||
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"Anyone who has been divorced, know someone who was divorced or read about it knew the EU would use the UK to show how bad it will be for anyone who leaves their club. We are now outside and will be made to pay for it. Suck it up and live within your means. We Took back control. Remember? Great isn't it? Now has Boris done what you told him to do? " It's bizarre that people who voted for brexit suddenly then want the EU to do things in Britains favour. | |||
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"Anyone who has been divorced, know someone who was divorced or read about it knew the EU would use the UK to show how bad it will be for anyone who leaves their club. We are now outside and will be made to pay for it. Suck it up and live within your means. We Took back control. Remember? Great isn't it? Now has Boris done what you told him to do? " I don't see how.the EU have done that much to "punish" us. This is all expected on the basis of the relationship we are seeking. But I agree we need to suck it up. Just lose this victim complex we seem to want to take on. | |||
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"Lies lies lies.. On both side.. Let it go people's.. you started the thread! And then brough in the remain "lies"
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"The vote was years ago.. Move on " What vote? | |||
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"The vote was years ago.. Move on " Tell JRM. And Frost.
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"The vote was years ago.. Move on Tell JRM. And Frost.
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"I blame those two twats osborne and cameroon" What for? And what about Obama ? | |||
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"Food prices are going up. What's going on here " You answered this in your OP. Brexit. People voted to put trade barriers between us and the EU. This incurs costs to British consumers. Case closed. | |||
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"Food prices are going up. What's going on here " lol. Who knew lying was factored into prices. And america was in the EU. | |||
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"Food prices are going up. What's going on here lol. Who knew lying was factored into prices. And america was in the EU. " I blame Obama, | |||
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"The vote was years ago.. Move on " We'd love to move on. But you started a thread about brexit pushing up food prices. Likely brexit will impact us for a long time yet. Arch disaster capitalist and Brexiteer JRM suggested that we might be back to pre-referendum state of affairs in 50 years. | |||
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"Food prices are going up. What's going on here lol. Who knew lying was factored into prices. And america was in the EU. I blame Obama, " Agreed | |||
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"Food prices are going up. What's going on here lol. Who knew lying was factored into prices. And america was in the EU. I blame Obama, Agreed " Case closed.Obama is responsible for food prices going up from the EU, you can move on now Tom, tomorrow is another day | |||
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"Food prices are going up. What's going on here lol. Who knew lying was factored into prices. And america was in the EU. I blame Obama, Agreed Case closed.Obama is responsible for food prices going up from the EU, you can move on now Tom, tomorrow is another day " No. He played his part in the vote for Brexit | |||
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"Food prices are going up. What's going on here lol. Who knew lying was factored into prices. And america was in the EU. I blame Obama, Agreed Case closed.Obama is responsible for food prices going up from the EU, you can move on now Tom, tomorrow is another day No. He played his part in the vote for Brexit" Can you elaborate on this point? | |||
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"Food prices are going up. What's going on here lol. Who knew lying was factored into prices. And america was in the EU. I blame Obama, Agreed Case closed.Obama is responsible for food prices going up from the EU, you can move on now Tom, tomorrow is another day No. He played his part in the vote for Brexit" We voted 6 years ago, move on Tom, tomorrow is another day | |||
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