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over a year ago
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"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???"
If Cameron was brave enough he could have ignored him. Everyone banged on about Corbyn being unelectable, when literally all he's ever done is win elections. Farage stood for Parliament 5 times and lost every time, yet he still managed to dictate the national agenda for a generation. Democracy? What fucking democracy? |
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"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???"
I haven't followed this. Who is backing her? Financially? Do we know? |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???
If Cameron was brave enough he could have ignored him. Everyone banged on about Corbyn being unelectable, when literally all he's ever done is win elections. Farage stood for Parliament 5 times and lost every time, yet he still managed to dictate the national agenda for a generation. Democracy? What fucking democracy?"
So the only democracy is the one that agrees and comes out with the result you want then? |
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"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???
If Cameron was brave enough he could have ignored him. Everyone banged on about Corbyn being unelectable, when literally all he's ever done is win elections. Farage stood for Parliament 5 times and lost every time, yet he still managed to dictate the national agenda for a generation. Democracy? What fucking democracy?"
Farage was taking over 2% of the vote at the time, if I remember rightly. So Cameron wanted to do something to bring the far right vote back to the Conservatives.
In fairness to Farage and the US corporations he works for, they achieved their aims regardless of being elected.
This is why smaller parties have an important role to play in British politics. |
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"France needs a change from the lefty dwarf moron macron."
Do they need to move into the far right hate based politics though?
Macron isn't great, but it's funny to see a centrist politician from another country riling up British far right so much. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"France needs a change from the lefty dwarf moron macron."
Maybe , but the alternative is the raging racist right wing nutter in Le Pen , difficult choice  |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"France needs a change from the lefty dwarf moron macron.
Maybe , but the alternative is the raging racist right wing nutter in Le Pen , difficult choice "
Shame there isn’t a medium height centrist unifier! Ah the joy of tribalist binary politics! |
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"France needs a change from the lefty dwarf moron macron.
Lefty? He's a bloody neo-liberal! He's centre right going on right wing..."
That's where we are now a days. Any politician who suggests doing something for the people, instead of for big corporations, or any politician who doesn't blame immigrants for everything is now "loony left". |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???
If Cameron was brave enough he could have ignored him. Everyone banged on about Corbyn being unelectable, when literally all he's ever done is win elections. Farage stood for Parliament 5 times and lost every time, yet he still managed to dictate the national agenda for a generation. Democracy? What fucking democracy?
So the only democracy is the one that agrees and comes out with the result you want then?"
The only democracy is one where the electorate vote for people who run the country. Farage is unelectable but he still steers policy. It seems, from an interview with him this week, that Richard Branson is making government policy on the war in Ukraine too. He isn't a democratically elected representative either.
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"France needs a change from the lefty dwarf moron macron.
Lefty? He's a bloody neo-liberal! He's centre right going on right wing...
That's where we are now a days. Any politician who suggests doing something for the people, instead of for big corporations, or any politician who doesn't blame immigrants for everything is now "loony left"."
It's insanity. He made it illegal to film police officers on duty and he's a lefty?  |
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"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???
If Cameron was brave enough he could have ignored him. Everyone banged on about Corbyn being unelectable, when literally all he's ever done is win elections. Farage stood for Parliament 5 times and lost every time, yet he still managed to dictate the national agenda for a generation. Democracy? What fucking democracy?
So the only democracy is the one that agrees and comes out with the result you want then?
The only democracy is one where the electorate vote for people who run the country. Farage is unelectable but he still steers policy. It seems, from an interview with him this week, that Richard Branson is making government policy on the war in Ukraine too. He isn't a democratically elected representative either.
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Branson aside. This is a good way for democracy to work. If you take the opposite of UKIP/Farage, and think about the Green Party, who will never get into power. But if enough people vote for them, the the other main parties (well not the Tories who work for the fossil fuels industry) are forced to look at doing something positive that will be better for the environment. Unfortunately, we have to accept the opposite with UKIP BNP EDL etc spreading hate and dragging the Tories even further right. |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth |
"think about the Green Party, who will never get into power. But if enough people vote for them, the the other main parties (well not the Tories who work for the fossil fuels industry) are forced to look at doing something positive that will be better for the environment. Unfortunately, we have to accept the opposite with UKIP BNP EDL etc spreading hate and dragging the Tories even further right"
Couldn't really have expressed it better...
But Le Pen shouldn't really be compared to Farage. She is a credible leader and has distanced herself from her father's racism and a FREXIT, abandon-the-euro platform.
Farage is and always was a clown, albeit a dangerous one with Hermann Kelly pulling his strings. |
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""think about the Green Party, who will never get into power. But if enough people vote for them, the the other main parties (well not the Tories who work for the fossil fuels industry) are forced to look at doing something positive that will be better for the environment. Unfortunately, we have to accept the opposite with UKIP BNP EDL etc spreading hate and dragging the Tories even further right"
Couldn't really have expressed it better...
But Le Pen shouldn't really be compared to Farage. She is a credible leader and has distanced herself from her father's racism and a FREXIT, abandon-the-euro platform.
Farage is and always was a clown, albeit a dangerous one with Hermann Kelly pulling his strings."
Yeah definitely not the same.
It remains to be seen if she has genuinely moved away from hate based politics.
If I was not white, and not Christian, living in France, I would not be feeling very comfortable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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""think about the Green Party, who will never get into power. But if enough people vote for them, the the other main parties (well not the Tories who work for the fossil fuels industry) are forced to look at doing something positive that will be better for the environment. Unfortunately, we have to accept the opposite with UKIP BNP EDL etc spreading hate and dragging the Tories even further right"
Couldn't really have expressed it better...
But Le Pen shouldn't really be compared to Farage. She is a credible leader and has distanced herself from her father's racism and a FREXIT, abandon-the-euro platform.
Farage is and always was a clown, albeit a dangerous one with Hermann Kelly pulling his strings.
Yeah definitely not the same.
It remains to be seen if she has genuinely moved away from hate based politics.
If I was not white, and not Christian, living in France, I would not be feeling very comfortable."
The world isn’t as bad as the MSM tell you |
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""think about the Green Party, who will never get into power. But if enough people vote for them, the the other main parties (well not the Tories who work for the fossil fuels industry) are forced to look at doing something positive that will be better for the environment. Unfortunately, we have to accept the opposite with UKIP BNP EDL etc spreading hate and dragging the Tories even further right"
Couldn't really have expressed it better...
But Le Pen shouldn't really be compared to Farage. She is a credible leader and has distanced herself from her father's racism and a FREXIT, abandon-the-euro platform.
Farage is and always was a clown, albeit a dangerous one with Hermann Kelly pulling his strings.
Yeah definitely not the same.
It remains to be seen if she has genuinely moved away from hate based politics.
If I was not white, and not Christian, living in France, I would not be feeling very comfortable.
The world isn’t as bad as the MSM tell you"
What's "the MSM" telling people? I've never watched it.
Anyhow, I'm not suggesting you shouldn't be celebrating the rise of the far right across Europe again. Just that it ended badly last time. |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time! "
Interesting. Funded and aligned with Putin in Russia. Zenophobic. Anti EU, NATO and capitalism. Pro dictators and anti-imigration. Yes, just what we want right now as a close neighbour. |
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By *zamiWoman
over a year ago
LONDON |
"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???
If Cameron was brave enough he could have ignored him. Everyone banged on about Corbyn being unelectable, when literally all he's ever done is win elections. Farage stood for Parliament 5 times and lost every time, yet he still managed to dictate the national agenda for a generation. Democracy? What fucking democracy?"
I love Jezza |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""think about the Green Party, who will never get into power. But if enough people vote for them, the the other main parties (well not the Tories who work for the fossil fuels industry) are forced to look at doing something positive that will be better for the environment. Unfortunately, we have to accept the opposite with UKIP BNP EDL etc spreading hate and dragging the Tories even further right"
Couldn't really have expressed it better...
But Le Pen shouldn't really be compared to Farage. She is a credible leader and has distanced herself from her father's racism and a FREXIT, abandon-the-euro platform.
Farage is and always was a clown, albeit a dangerous one with Hermann Kelly pulling his strings.
Yeah definitely not the same.
It remains to be seen if she has genuinely moved away from hate based politics.
If I was not white, and not Christian, living in France, I would not be feeling very comfortable.
The world isn’t as bad as the MSM tell you
What's "the MSM" telling people? I've never watched it.
Anyhow, I'm not suggesting you shouldn't be celebrating the rise of the far right across Europe again. Just that it ended badly last time. "
Hitler was actually a socialist (left wing) but don’t let that get in the way |
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""think about the Green Party, who will never get into power. But if enough people vote for them, the the other main parties (well not the Tories who work for the fossil fuels industry) are forced to look at doing something positive that will be better for the environment. Unfortunately, we have to accept the opposite with UKIP BNP EDL etc spreading hate and dragging the Tories even further right"
Couldn't really have expressed it better...
But Le Pen shouldn't really be compared to Farage. She is a credible leader and has distanced herself from her father's racism and a FREXIT, abandon-the-euro platform.
Farage is and always was a clown, albeit a dangerous one with Hermann Kelly pulling his strings.
Yeah definitely not the same.
It remains to be seen if she has genuinely moved away from hate based politics.
If I was not white, and not Christian, living in France, I would not be feeling very comfortable.
The world isn’t as bad as the MSM tell you
What's "the MSM" telling people? I've never watched it.
Anyhow, I'm not suggesting you shouldn't be celebrating the rise of the far right across Europe again. Just that it ended badly last time.
Hitler was actually a socialist (left wing) but don’t let that get in the way"
Oh dear oh dear. This old chestnut.
In any case. Back in the real world, I won't be celebrating the rise of the far right in Europe again, or the rise of hate based politics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
Unfortunately I don’t think the establishment will allow it
Yep"
what does that mean, establishment? |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
Unfortunately I don’t think the establishment will allow it
Yepwhat does that mean, establishment? "
The same people who faked the moon landing, and used 5G to simulate the covid "plandemic".
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
""think about the Green Party, who will never get into power. But if enough people vote for them, the the other main parties (well not the Tories who work for the fossil fuels industry) are forced to look at doing something positive that will be better for the environment. Unfortunately, we have to accept the opposite with UKIP BNP EDL etc spreading hate and dragging the Tories even further right"
Couldn't really have expressed it better...
But Le Pen shouldn't really be compared to Farage. She is a credible leader and has distanced herself from her father's racism and a FREXIT, abandon-the-euro platform.
Farage is and always was a clown, albeit a dangerous one with Hermann Kelly pulling his strings.
Yeah definitely not the same.
It remains to be seen if she has genuinely moved away from hate based politics.
If I was not white, and not Christian, living in France, I would not be feeling very comfortable.
The world isn’t as bad as the MSM tell you
What's "the MSM" telling people? I've never watched it.
Anyhow, I'm not suggesting you shouldn't be celebrating the rise of the far right across Europe again. Just that it ended badly last time.
Hitler was actually a socialist (left wing) but don’t let that get in the way"
Utter rubbish. Do some proper reading. The Nazis appropriated the word Socialist for PR and marketing purposes. This is a completely debunked myth propagated by right wing thinkers trying to distance themselves from Nazi atrocities! |
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"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???
Le Pen are actual Nazis
Le Pen is NOT a Nazi!!! "
No, but there is a cigarette paper between her and Nazis. |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you? "
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France. |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you?
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France. "
Are you suggesting we should judge all Muslims by the actions of an extremely small minority? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you?
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France. "
WTAF are you even aware of how non-sensical your argument is?
On another thread some weeks back you accused me of being a racist and anti-semitic when I stated (a fact) that following WWII many of the major movie studios and media were owned by Jewish people and that it was therefore understandable that stories about the holocaust were mostly focused on the Jewish stories rather than gypsies and slavs.
And yet here you are supporting a far right politician whose supporters in France have desecrated Jewish cemeteries!
Your points are ludicrous and contradictory!  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
Interesting. Funded and aligned with Putin in Russia. Zenophobic. Anti EU, NATO and capitalism. Pro dictators and anti-imigration. Yes, just what we want right now as a close neighbour. "
Do you know when people say stuff and you think “oh the mask has slipped and we are seeing the true person!”
I think we are seeing the true mitzi….  |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
Interesting. Funded and aligned with Putin in Russia. Zenophobic. Anti EU, NATO and capitalism. Pro dictators and anti-imigration. Yes, just what we want right now as a close neighbour.
Do you know when people say stuff and you think “oh the mask has slipped and we are seeing the true person!”
I think we are seeing the true mitzi…. "
In fairness, this poster has always been open about their far right extremist, anti Muslim views. |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you?
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France.
WTAF are you even aware of how non-sensical your argument is?
On another thread some weeks back you accused me of being a racist and anti-semitic when I stated (a fact) that following WWII many of the major movie studios and media were owned by Jewish people and that it was therefore understandable that stories about the holocaust were mostly focused on the Jewish stories rather than gypsies and slavs.
And yet here you are supporting a far right politician whose supporters in France have desecrated Jewish cemeteries!
Your points are ludicrous and contradictory! "
No, you are so far left you do not address the real facts…. Muslims do desecrate Jewish (and other) religious sites. To them we are all kafirs/dhimmi (non-believers) |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you?
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France.
WTAF are you even aware of how non-sensical your argument is?
On another thread some weeks back you accused me of being a racist and anti-semitic when I stated (a fact) that following WWII many of the major movie studios and media were owned by Jewish people and that it was therefore understandable that stories about the holocaust were mostly focused on the Jewish stories rather than gypsies and slavs.
And yet here you are supporting a far right politician whose supporters in France have desecrated Jewish cemeteries!
Your points are ludicrous and contradictory!
No, you are so far left you do not address the real facts…. Muslims do desecrate Jewish (and other) religious sites. To them we are all kafirs/dhimmi (non-believers) "
Why are you suggesting that only the "far left" aren't enthusiastic islamaphobes?
Surely the vast majority of people aren't.
Anyway, if you start judging more than 2 billion by the actions of a handful of people. It's moronic beyond belief. You're in the territory of "all of them wore shoes, I hate everyone who wears footwear". |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you?
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France. "
Well said x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you?
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France.
Well said x"
So , Le Pen will be great for France because some Muslims desecrated some Jewish holy site?? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you?
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France.
WTAF are you even aware of how non-sensical your argument is?
On another thread some weeks back you accused me of being a racist and anti-semitic when I stated (a fact) that following WWII many of the major movie studios and media were owned by Jewish people and that it was therefore understandable that stories about the holocaust were mostly focused on the Jewish stories rather than gypsies and slavs.
And yet here you are supporting a far right politician whose supporters in France have desecrated Jewish cemeteries!
Your points are ludicrous and contradictory!
No, you are so far left you do not address the real facts…. Muslims do desecrate Jewish (and other) religious sites. To them we are all kafirs/dhimmi (non-believers) "
You are clearly completely missing the point, so best I spell it out in steps (and respond to this latest message).
1. I think for you, anyone to the left of Genghis Khan would be considered “far left”. While I am not “far left” (and I have posted often enough to demonstrate my centrist views) I will take that as a compliment from you.
2. You are Jewish I believe? Also a Zionist who believes the Israeli state is above reproach. As a Jew your support for someone like Le Pen is very surprising. Odd even. Insulting in fact. Some of HER supporters (the far Right) have desecrated Jewish cemeteries in the past. You seem ok with that? In fact you only seem upset by the actions of Muslims? Absolutely yes some extremist Muslims (inc ISIS) across the world have desecrated Jewish sites. They have also desecrated Christian sites. But they are not up for election as French President so where is the connection?
3. It means you support the same person far right Nazis in France support which is surely anathema to a Jew?
4 It also seems strangely out of sync with your support of Putin and Russia against Ukraine who you accuse of being Nazis (the whole country and population) because of the far right Azov Brigade. Despite the other irony of you being anti-Ukraine despite having a Jewish President!
5. So are you saying some Nazis are good (as long as they are anti Muslim) but others are bad because...? |
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"Marine Le Pen will be the best thing France has had in a long time!
You do realise some of her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries don’t you?
Muslims desecrate holy Jewish sites too! Or would you rather ignore that fact??? Le Pen will be the best thing for France.
WTAF are you even aware of how non-sensical your argument is?
On another thread some weeks back you accused me of being a racist and anti-semitic when I stated (a fact) that following WWII many of the major movie studios and media were owned by Jewish people and that it was therefore understandable that stories about the holocaust were mostly focused on the Jewish stories rather than gypsies and slavs.
And yet here you are supporting a far right politician whose supporters in France have desecrated Jewish cemeteries!
Your points are ludicrous and contradictory!
No, you are so far left you do not address the real facts…. Muslims do desecrate Jewish (and other) religious sites. To them we are all kafirs/dhimmi (non-believers)
You are clearly completely missing the point, so best I spell it out in steps (and respond to this latest message).
1. I think for you, anyone to the left of Genghis Khan would be considered “far left”. While I am not “far left” (and I have posted often enough to demonstrate my centrist views) I will take that as a compliment from you.
2. You are Jewish I believe? Also a Zionist who believes the Israeli state is above reproach. As a Jew your support for someone like Le Pen is very surprising. Odd even. Insulting in fact. Some of HER supporters (the far Right) have desecrated Jewish cemeteries in the past. You seem ok with that? In fact you only seem upset by the actions of Muslims? Absolutely yes some extremist Muslims (inc ISIS) across the world have desecrated Jewish sites. They have also desecrated Christian sites. But they are not up for election as French President so where is the connection?
3. It means you support the same person far right Nazis in France support which is surely anathema to a Jew?
4 It also seems strangely out of sync with your support of Putin and Russia against Ukraine who you accuse of being Nazis (the whole country and population) because of the far right Azov Brigade. Despite the other irony of you being anti-Ukraine despite having a Jewish President!
5. So are you saying some Nazis are good (as long as they are anti Muslim) but others are bad because...?"
Le Pen is NOT a Nazi! |
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As in the last US election. The majority of voters will not be voting FOR either candidate. They will be voting to keep the other one OUT. A sad situation when a country with the population and history they have, cannot come up with a credible, decent option. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Do look up Eric Zemmour too…. He’s more “far right” and he’s Jewish …… are you going to start calling him a Nazi too???"
So you didn’t answer my question. Are you happy to support Le Pen when some of her supporters ARE Nazis and desecrated Jewish cemeteries in France with swastika graffiti? Does she get a pass because of anti-muslim tendencies? |
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"Do look up Eric Zemmour too…. He’s more “far right” and he’s Jewish …… are you going to start calling him a Nazi too???"
So, you're saying that some forms of bigotry are cool, and should be celebrated, and other forms are bad. And that anyone who doesn't agree with your bizarre extremist views is "far left", completely irrespective of where they might sit on the political spectrum?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This place gets weirder and weirder. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Not everyone is a snoreworthy lefty…."
But macron isn’t a lefty… he is a centre right person!! You are advocating for someone with some very extreme far right positions who idolises the autocratic leaders of Hungary and Russia
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"Macron having to deal with the likes of marine le pen seems very similar to a certain Cameron having to deal with farage???"
It's not unsimilar, in some ways.
I suppose we'll need to wait and see if she wins.
She's either far-right, as claimed, or she's basically a bog-standard Tory. |
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"Not everyone is a snoreworthy lefty….
True. You're not a lefty but you're certainly snoreworthy.
Yawn "
Snoring, yawning. You need to wake up.
LOL Only kidding. We all know that's never going to happen.  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
Macron began as a Centrist, but is now very firmly Centre Right. About as far right as most would say the Conservatives are.
Will he win? Almost, certainly. But basically, who do you choose when the choice is so narrow.
Oh! Where have we seen that before?
Perhaps if Mélenchon hadn't split the Far Right vote, it would have been another story.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Macron began as a Centrist, but is now very firmly Centre Right. About as far right as most would say the Conservatives are.
Will he win? Almost, certainly. But basically, who do you choose when the choice is so narrow.
Oh! Where have we seen that before?
Perhaps if Mélenchon hadn't split the Far Right vote, it would have been another story.
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Anyone left of centre will not be happy either way then. I had no idea the French had moved that much. Macron to win |
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"Macron began as a Centrist, but is now very firmly Centre Right. About as far right as most would say the Conservatives are.
Will he win? Almost, certainly. But basically, who do you choose when the choice is so narrow.
Oh! Where have we seen that before?
Perhaps if Mélenchon hadn't split the Far Right vote, it would have been another story.
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You are right regarding Macron but the choice was not narrow.
There were 12 candidates who put themselves forward to be elected to be President representing 12 parties.
All of France had the chance to vote for any of those 12 and did.
Le Pen and Macron were the two with the highest number of votes.
Todays vote will sort out who is most popular (and in a lot of cases, who is less unpopular) between the two. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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First Round . . .
Macron 28.6
Le Pen 24.4
Melechon 20.2
Zemmour 6.8
Lassale 3.2
Jadot 4.6
Rousel 2.5
Dupont-Aigan 1.9
Higalo 1.9
Yes. It was a very narrow choice in the sense that anything below Melechon simply was not a realistic choice.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Macron began as a Centrist, but is now very firmly Centre Right. About as far right as most would say the Conservatives are.
Will he win? Almost, certainly. But basically, who do you choose when the choice is so narrow.
Oh! Where have we seen that before?
Perhaps if Mélenchon hadn't split the Far Right vote, it would have been another story.
You are right regarding Macron but the choice was not narrow.
There were 12 candidates who put themselves forward to be elected to be President representing 12 parties.
All of France had the chance to vote for any of those 12 and did.
Le Pen and Macron were the two with the highest number of votes.
Todays vote will sort out who is most popular (and in a lot of cases, who is less unpopular) between the two."
Melenchon would have been an interesting choice because he is basically the french version of Bernie sanders… he is old but the young adore him!
If it had been a melechon macron run off I think melechon may have won! The left basically ended up canablising itself!
The best thing that happened for macron is that he is facing le pen! He can almost say “you might think I am bad but the alternative is far far worse!” |
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"Yes, will never be a leftie wastrel!
So you're completely a lost cause, so far down the alt right anti-islam rabbit hole that there is no hope for you?
And proud of it! "
Fair play for your honesty. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Yes, will never be a leftie wastrel!
So you're completely a lost cause, so far down the alt right anti-islam rabbit hole that there is no hope for you?
And proud of it! "
But inconsistent and contradictory. I mean good for you but at least get your facts right as well as keeping your politics to the right because you completely undermine your points on a regular basis!
You still haven’t commented on how you can support Le Pen when her supporters desecrated Jewish cemeteries with swastika graffiti? You try to talk about Muslims but that has nothing to do with the issue I raised about France. |
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"Macron began as a Centrist, but is now very firmly Centre Right. About as far right as most would say the Conservatives are.
Will he win? Almost, certainly. But basically, who do you choose when the choice is so narrow.
Oh! Where have we seen that before?
Perhaps if Mélenchon hadn't split the Far Right vote, it would have been another story.
You are right regarding Macron but the choice was not narrow.
There were 12 candidates who put themselves forward to be elected to be President representing 12 parties.
All of France had the chance to vote for any of those 12 and did.
Le Pen and Macron were the two with the highest number of votes.
Todays vote will sort out who is most popular (and in a lot of cases, who is less unpopular) between the two.
Melenchon would have been an interesting choice because he is basically the french version of Bernie sanders… he is old but the young adore him!
If it had been a melechon macron run off I think melechon may have won! The left basically ended up canablising itself!
The best thing that happened for macron is that he is facing le pen! He can almost say “you might think I am bad but the alternative is far far worse!”"
What a shame that almost every political choice we are offered is 'I may be terrible, but the other one is worse'
Fuck sake
Can anyone honestly remember I time they voted for someone as a good choice, instead of settling on what they felt was the best of a bad bunch |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Can anyone honestly remember I time they voted for someone as a good choice, instead of settling on what they felt was the best of a bad bunch"
In a social sciences sense, doesn't this really just say illustrate Politics in general and our responses to it.
A small number of people 'fielding' themselves as those who would wish to represent 'the people'and, more often than not, on a relatively narrow remit of issues. Vis-a-vi little choice.
As the issues become more specialist in nature, so do the candidates who are likely to field themselves and to win. So we are less likely to vote for them. Vis-a-vi little choice.
The only real way is to field yourself as 'the' guy/girl to choose and change the status quo.
In the original Macron elections, that's what the French thought. Here comes the change.
Tony Blair same thing.
Trump same thing.
Boris same thing.
Maggie same thing.
Everything changes but it stays the same.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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There is a chap on French radio right now (he doesn't really support either) who isn't leaving anything left unsaid, lol. He's calling Macron (expletives and all) for failing the French people because he has 'dared to allow Le-Pen to come this close'.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"There is a chap on French radio right now (he doesn't really support either) who isn't leaving anything left unsaid, lol. He's calling Macron (expletives and all) for failing the French people because he has 'dared to allow Le-Pen to come this close'.
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He is right up to a point… he is propped up by people on the left holding their noses!
The left next time have to rally around one person rather than fracturing the vote…
But there are 3 blocks in french politics at the moment.. the far left… the centre right… and the far right!!!
The only good thing is that if le pen can’t win it for the far right.. no one is likely to! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Anyway.. which channel are you watching this one… watching France 24.. and the way they are dealing with this is light years better than what I would see on a uk election night |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?"
Not just France. Sadly. |
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?"
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are."
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right. |
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are.
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right."
Indeed. That's where his policies sit on the political spectrum. But as things get dragged further right, he's perceived as "left" or "far left" |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are.
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right.
Indeed. That's where his policies sit on the political spectrum. But as things get dragged further right, he's perceived as "left" or "far left""
Nope. He's definitely Centre Right.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Le maire also promises Macron’s second term “will be different. We are determined to hear those who abstained, those who spoiled their ballots, to provide them with the most concrete answers possible, as soon as possible”
Reminiscent of May's 'for the just about managing'
Corbyn's 'for the many, not the few'
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are.
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right.
Indeed. That's where his policies sit on the political spectrum. But as things get dragged further right, he's perceived as "left" or "far left"
Nope. He's definitely Centre Right.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are.
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right.
Indeed. That's where his policies sit on the political spectrum. But as things get dragged further right, he's perceived as "left" or "far left"
Nope. He's definitely Centre Right.
Mmhmm"
lol. 'Mmhmm' or not he is definitely Centre Right. He began as a Centrist and . . .the rest is history. |
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are.
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right.
Indeed. That's where his policies sit on the political spectrum. But as things get dragged further right, he's perceived as "left" or "far left"
Nope. He's definitely Centre Right.
Mmhmm
lol. 'Mmhmm' or not he is definitely Centre Right. He began as a Centrist and . . .the rest is history. "
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are.
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right.
Indeed. That's where his policies sit on the political spectrum. But as things get dragged further right, he's perceived as "left" or "far left"
Nope. He's definitely Centre Right.
Mmhmm
lol. 'Mmhmm' or not he is definitely Centre Right. He began as a Centrist and . . .the rest is history.
Not sure why you're trying to argue with me. I agreed with you."
Argue? Me argue? Au-contraire, lmao.
Then we are agreed he is Centre Right.
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are.
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right.
Indeed. That's where his policies sit on the political spectrum. But as things get dragged further right, he's perceived as "left" or "far left"
Nope. He's definitely Centre Right.
Mmhmm
lol. 'Mmhmm' or not he is definitely Centre Right. He began as a Centrist and . . .the rest is history.
Not sure why you're trying to argue with me. I agreed with you.
Argue? Me argue? Au-contraire, lmao.
Then we are agreed he is Centre Right.
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"Phew, fairly comfortable in the end. Is this now the second election in a row where the final option is between right and far right? Has France really become more right wing or is it just a quirk of how their elections work?
Europe and the US is still swinging further to the right.
People are accusing Macron of being left or far left. That tells you all you need to know about where we are.
Macron was Centrist - he is now Centre Right.
Indeed. That's where his policies sit on the political spectrum. But as things get dragged further right, he's perceived as "left" or "far left"
Nope. He's definitely Centre Right.
Mmhmm
lol. 'Mmhmm' or not he is definitely Centre Right. He began as a Centrist and . . .the rest is history.
Not sure why you're trying to argue with me. I agreed with you.
Argue? Me argue? Au-contraire, lmao.
Then we are agreed he is Centre Right.
We do."
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If the exit polls are to be believed, then a wonderful result for democracy against the forces of nationalist autocracy.
We should be careful not to discount Le Pen’s rebranding which did appeal to a vast majority of the French, she has clearly learned lessons from other Far right organisations to hide their prejudices behind everyday issues and use them as a weapon to help them further their hateful agendas.
But there seems to be a general turning point, which is highlighting that many people are getting really clued up on these tactics which is very positive. |
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"If the exit polls are to be believed, then a wonderful result for democracy against the forces of nationalist autocracy.
We should be careful not to discount Le Pen’s rebranding which did appeal to a vast majority of the French, she has clearly learned lessons from other Far right organisations to hide their prejudices behind everyday issues and use them as a weapon to help them further their hateful agendas.
But there seems to be a general turning point, which is highlighting that many people are getting really clued up on these tactics which is very positive."
Let's hope so.
I am not confident that the political swing to the right is at its apex yet. I fear we have more to come. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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https://news.sky.com/story/french-election-emmanuel-macron-to-win-second-term-according-to-vote-projection-12598054
'Emmanuel Macron admits voters picked him to block far-right challenge Marine Le Pen
Many of those who chose Mr Macron are believed to have done so to keep out Ms Le Pen because of her extreme views and her links with Russia'. |
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By *amantMan
over a year ago
Alnmouth |
The RW parties in the first round amounted to 32% of the vote. Le Pen won 42% in the second, with Macron largely missing. He won 58% on the back of a two-week campaign. While it is true, she has improved, if he was as bad as some were to make out, this result should never have occured. On the other hand, Macron may be celebrating his victory, and rightly so, but he won this on the back of beating a busted flush. First President to win re-election since 2002 but against Le Pen, who lost twice before this? I'm beginning to think he's her biggest fan. While 42% is an improvement, in the circumstances, you do have to ask, is that her ceiling? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"https://news.sky.com/story/french-election-emmanuel-macron-to-win-second-term-according-to-vote-projection-12598054
'Emmanuel Macron admits voters picked him to block far-right challenge Marine Le Pen
Many of those who chose Mr Macron are believed to have done so to keep out Ms Le Pen because of her extreme views and her links with Russia'."
So the lesser off two evils for some! Politics should never be binary! |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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'Macron vows to be ‘president for all’ in victory speech' 2022.
He said something very similar in 2017. 'Being neither the right nor the left'
Yet now he is firmly centre right? I wonder how he will square that circle? |
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" 'Macron vows to be ‘president for all’ in victory speech' 2022.
He said something very similar in 2017. 'Being neither the right nor the left'
Yet now he is firmly centre right? I wonder how he will square that circle?"
I guess when your opponent bwas far right, centre right is where the majority sit around. (no idea of true but how it appears). |
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" 'Macron vows to be ‘president for all’ in victory speech' 2022.
He said something very similar in 2017. 'Being neither the right nor the left'
Yet now he is firmly centre right? I wonder how he will square that circle?I guess when your opponent bwas far right, centre right is where the majority sit around. (no idea of true but how it appears). "
I wonder if a lot of people voted Macron simply to keep Le Pen out.
100% what I would have done. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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" 'Macron vows to be ‘president for all’ in victory speech' 2022.
He said something very similar in 2017. 'Being neither the right nor the left'
Yet now he is firmly centre right? I wonder how he will square that circle?I guess when your opponent bwas far right, centre right is where the majority sit around. (no idea of true but how it appears).
I wonder if a lot of people voted Macron simply to keep Le Pen out.
100% what I would have done. "
Read above lol |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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In France 2022, a demented anti-Europe leader gets 43% of the vote and loses.
In the UK 2019, a demented anti-Europe leader gets 43% of the vote and wins an 80 seat majority.
We need a change of electoral system. Badly. FPTP needs to go. We need PR!!!! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"In France 2022, a demented anti-Europe leader gets 43% of the vote and loses.
In the UK 2019, a demented anti-Europe leader gets 43% of the vote and wins an 80 seat majority.
We need a change of electoral system. Badly. FPTP needs to go. We need PR!!!!"
Do you not know the difference between a president and a prime minister? wait and see how the parliamentary votes go in the next few weeks macron might have to appoint a left wing pm. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"In France 2022, a demented anti-Europe leader gets 43% of the vote and loses.
In the UK 2019, a demented anti-Europe leader gets 43% of the vote and wins an 80 seat majority.
We need a change of electoral system. Badly. FPTP needs to go. We need PR!!!!Do you not know the difference between a president and a prime minister? wait and see how the parliamentary votes go in the next few weeks macron might have to appoint a left wing pm."
Rhetorical right? Of course I do. However, in the UK, despite what BJ would like, we don’t have a President. Our “Head of State” is pretty much impotent and therefore pretty much all decisions and policy direction are set by the PM.
My point stands in relation to proportional democracy! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"In France 2022, a demented anti-Europe leader gets 43% of the vote and loses.
In the UK 2019, a demented anti-Europe leader gets 43% of the vote and wins an 80 seat majority.
We need a change of electoral system. Badly. FPTP needs to go. We need PR!!!!Do you not know the difference between a president and a prime minister? wait and see how the parliamentary votes go in the next few weeks macron might have to appoint a left wing pm.
Rhetorical right? Of course I do. However, in the UK, despite what BJ would like, we don’t have a President. Our “Head of State” is pretty much impotent and therefore pretty much all decisions and policy direction are set by the PM.
My point stands in relation to proportional democracy!"
Well why are you comparing a president with an 80 seat majority it just does not make sense they are two totally different things? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"The RW parties in the first round amounted to 32% of the vote. Le Pen won 42% in the second, with Macron largely missing. He won 58% on the back of a two-week campaign. While it is true, she has improved, if he was as bad as some were to make out, this result should never have occured. On the other hand, Macron may be celebrating his victory, and rightly so, but he won this on the back of beating a busted flush. First President to win re-election since 2002 but against Le Pen, who lost twice before this? I'm beginning to think he's her biggest fan. While 42% is an improvement, in the circumstances, you do have to ask, is that her ceiling? "
Just correcting you… marine le pen had not lost twice before this… it was her father, Jean Marie le pen that lost in a run off before…. now marine le pen has lost twice, both times against macron |
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"le pen has lost three times. twice to macron and not making the run off on her first go. no-body wants a nazi for president it seems. "
43% of French voters did.
It's worrying to see so many people cheering on the far right and hate based politics. |
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"le pen has lost three times. twice to macron and not making the run off on her first go. no-body wants a nazi for president it seems.
43% of French voters did.
It's worrying to see so many people cheering on the far right and hate based politics."
Well this is the problem, when people are desperate for some form of change and their concerns are not being addressed properly, in steps the hate groups.
The tactic is simple, its called layering, at the core(hidden) is their main belief which is hate against ethnic minorities and their general eradication. Then they wrap layers around that belief, they wrap nationalism and being patriotic, then they wrap an economic problem, then finally they wrap it in the promise.
So working from the outer layer,
1. We will give you some money (the offer)
2. Through dropping taxes, why? because immigrants are keeping taxes high (economic problem)
3. We are doing this because we are patriotic (nationalism)
4. This is because we really want to get rid of Immigrants (core)
So as you go further away from the core the more palatable the message becomes, which makes people think its ok. But in actual fact the core message is the same, just hidden under these layers.
Really most far right organisations think like this now, wrap themselves in words like democracy, freedom, patriotism. When in actual fact they don't believe in any it. Because as soon as they get into power they start eroding these foundations, as seen all over the world.
Pretty transparent now, not too clever.
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