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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there  "
What I mean is, some people are so politically entrenched they would vote for a donkey wearing the right colour rosette. I wonder if they can put their politics aside and just look at this bloke. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance? "
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on |
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"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance?
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on "
Depends on the party. If you think labour are much better than the tories then you are sadly mistaken |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance?
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on
Depends on the party. If you think labour are much better than the tories then you are sadly mistaken"
As a party I don’t. But I just can’t bring myself to vote for BJ. The man has treated the nation with such contempt. |
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"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance?
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on
Depends on the party. If you think labour are much better than the tories then you are sadly mistaken
As a party I don’t. But I just can’t bring myself to vote for BJ. The man has treated the nation with such contempt. "
You dont vote for the PM, you vote for your local constituency. Normally I say that if people stopped voting for popularity and instead voted for policy then things would get better, but unfortunately I cant help but think that's why we are in this mess. |
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"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone? "
Why Labour and not another party ? |
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"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone?
Why Labour and not another party ?"
It's a two party race, sadly |
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"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance? "
This. I do. I vote for what’s best for me and mine. |
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"Isn’t there a special place for these threads?
Yes...it's called Hertfordshire 
I don’t go in there so that I don’t get involved! Now I’m bloody involved! Stick to the rules peoples. 
Peoples ? "
Thats your word Tom |
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"Isn’t there a special place for these threads?
Yes...it's called Hertfordshire
I don’t go in there so that I don’t get involved! Now I’m bloody involved! Stick to the rules peoples.
Peoples ?
Thats your word Tom "
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You dont vote for the PM, you vote for your local constituency. Normally I say that if people stopped voting for popularity and instead voted for policy then things would get better, but unfortunately I cant help but think that's why we are in this mess."
Exactly this - in fact if you strip it back it shouldn't even matter what colour ties/rosettes the candidates wear - you are supposed to vote for the person (candidate) & not a political party...
In reality we know this doesn't work & as a real live example my gran will always vote conservative - even if Pol Pot was the leader & my grandad wil always vote labour - even if Kier Starmer was the leader ....oh hang on! |
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Maybe this should read 'political party aside '..in my many years on this planet, I've voted for different parties, based on what I've believed to be the leaders honesty and integrity. I find it difficult to believe in the honesty and integrity on anyone on the current front bench. |
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"Isn’t there a special place for these threads?
Yes...it's called Hertfordshire
I don’t go in there so that I don’t get involved! Now I’m bloody involved! Stick to the rules peoples.
Peoples ?
Thats your word Tom "
Please don't say, "That's you word". You make Tom sound like a Messiah... |
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"Isn’t there a special place for these threads?
Yes...it's called Hertfordshire
I don’t go in there so that I don’t get involved! Now I’m bloody involved! Stick to the rules peoples.
Peoples ?
Thats your word Tom
Please don't say, "That's you word". You make Tom sound like a Messiah..."
Tom is not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy! |
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"Isn’t there a special place for these threads?
Yes...it's called Hertfordshire
I don’t go in there so that I don’t get involved! Now I’m bloody involved! Stick to the rules peoples.
Peoples ?
Thats your word Tom
Please don't say, "That's you word". You make Tom sound like a Messiah...
Tom is not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
Tom maybe naughty but he not the or a Messiah...
Diane Abbot on the other hand.
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"Isn’t there a special place for these threads?
Yes...it's called Hertfordshire
I don’t go in there so that I don’t get involved! Now I’m bloody involved! Stick to the rules peoples.
Peoples ?
Thats your word Tom
Please don't say, "That's you word". You make Tom sound like a Messiah...
Tom is not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
Tom maybe naughty but he not the or a Messiah...
Diane Abbot on the other hand.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone? "
You know you’ll be ratted out by the fluff piece mafia for this…. You are encroaching on their sugar coated bit of heaven……
(P.s most of that was sarcasm…… they will definitely be ratted out on though!) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've always voted Labour
As I personally find their views align with mine
In my experience people (i know in real life) who vote Tory are always a certain type of person |
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"I've always voted Labour
As I personally find their views align with mine
In my experience people (i know in real life) who vote Tory are always a certain type of person"
Please enlighten.. what sort of person? |
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By *for2Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance?
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on
Depends on the party. If you think labour are much better than the tories then you are sadly mistaken"
Only difference between the political parties is who they are beholden to. Other than that its just how they spell their names. Allegedly different philosophies One stirs to the right. One stirs to the left. But, it's still the same shit they are stirring. I don't trust any of them. They've all got their hands in someones pockets and are looking out for themselves. Professional politicians with political degrees and bugger all experience of real life. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
Wiltshire and London |
"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance?
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on
Depends on the party. If you think labour are much better than the tories then you are sadly mistaken
Only difference between the political parties is who they are beholden to. Other than that its just how they spell their names. Allegedly different philosophies One stirs to the right. One stirs to the left. But, it's still the same shit they are stirring. I don't trust any of them. They've all got their hands in someones pockets and are looking out for themselves. Professional politicians with political degrees and bugger all experience of real life."
I do hope that people in general can see past your lazy "they're all as bad as each other" line. This bunch of crooks and chancers are the worst in living memory and we need them out at the earliest chance. |
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"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance?
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on
Depends on the party. If you think labour are much better than the tories then you are sadly mistaken
Only difference between the political parties is who they are beholden to. Other than that its just how they spell their names. Allegedly different philosophies One stirs to the right. One stirs to the left. But, it's still the same shit they are stirring. I don't trust any of them. They've all got their hands in someones pockets and are looking out for themselves. Professional politicians with political degrees and bugger all experience of real life.
I do hope that people in general can see past your lazy "they're all as bad as each other" line. This bunch of crooks and chancers are the worst in living memory and we need them out at the earliest chance."
Agreed...and replace them with alternative crooks |
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By *for2Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance?
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on
Depends on the party. If you think labour are much better than the tories then you are sadly mistaken
Only difference between the political parties is who they are beholden to. Other than that its just how they spell their names. Allegedly different philosophies One stirs to the right. One stirs to the left. But, it's still the same shit they are stirring. I don't trust any of them. They've all got their hands in someones pockets and are looking out for themselves. Professional politicians with political degrees and bugger all experience of real life.
I do hope that people in general can see past your lazy "they're all as bad as each other" line. This bunch of crooks and chancers are the worst in living memory and we need them out at the earliest chance."
Actually its not a lazy line its a genuine belief after nigh on sixty years I truly believe all of todays politicians are simply out for themselves. Years ago Real labour politicians who were working class and came from the unions or the shop floor or even real tories who were ex businessmen etc had strongly held beliefs and worked to use those beliefs to improve their voters lives. Nowadays they are all university graduates who've never had a real job and are professional politicians who use their positions to line their own pockets and bugger the electorate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I thought you said Politics aside for a moment there
And also why dont you read manifestos and decide on which party best suits your needs as a citizen and general political stance?
Is it worth the paper it’s printed on
Depends on the party. If you think labour are much better than the tories then you are sadly mistaken
Only difference between the political parties is who they are beholden to. Other than that its just how they spell their names. Allegedly different philosophies One stirs to the right. One stirs to the left. But, it's still the same shit they are stirring. I don't trust any of them. They've all got their hands in someones pockets and are looking out for themselves. Professional politicians with political degrees and bugger all experience of real life.
I do hope that people in general can see past your lazy "they're all as bad as each other" line. This bunch of crooks and chancers are the worst in living memory and we need them out at the earliest chance. Actually its not a lazy line its a genuine belief after nigh on sixty years I truly believe all of todays politicians are simply out for themselves. Years ago Real labour politicians who were working class and came from the unions or the shop floor or even real tories who were ex businessmen etc had strongly held beliefs and worked to use those beliefs to improve their voters lives. Nowadays they are all university graduates who've never had a real job and are professional politicians who use their positions to line their own pockets and bugger the electorate. "
100%
I find it so strange that in this country where the homeless community is so large and families are struggling to pay bills and put food on the table that politicians a) get paid so much and b) claim absolute nonsense on expenses
And the government have the right to dictate who much money people on benefits should recieve yet MPs are allowed to pay for p0rn and claim it on expenses |
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Ask a friend to cut and paste the policies of several parties in to a word doc. Remove mention of which parties they are from. Just called them A,B,C,D, etc.
Tick the policies you agree with, cross out the ones you don't and tally the scores on each page.
Then ask your friend to reveal which party you aligned to the most. You might be surprised.
And I would suggest it's also why a lot of people are frustrated with politics, one reason being they vote on the person not the policy.
It's like being a vegetarian because you really the personality of person X, so you frequent their Steak Houses and eat the limited vegetarian options and always come away unfulfilled and receive only lip-service.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So which way does the pendulum swing next time? further to the “I’m alright jack fk the rest and we’ll be ok” or will it swing back to the “i expect the government to wipe my arse” end of the chord?
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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We need Proportional Representation. Then people can truly vote for parties that align better with their beliefs even if that allows representation for more extreme views.
If you want Facism you can vote for it.
If you want Communism you can vote for it.
It allows for a completely broad spectrum in politics and should help stop Labour being pulled too far left (Corbyn) and Conservatives too far right (Johnson).
The argument against PR is a break from Constituency politics, but the power of the whip means MPs very often have to go against the preferences of their constituents.
PR can require coalitions but compromise is a good thing and can temper more extreme policies. Some people argue it gives minority parties too much power but if they received sufficient votes to gain MP seats then their views should count! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Ask a friend to cut and paste the policies of several parties in to a word doc. Remove mention of which parties they are from. Just called them A,B,C,D, etc.
Tick the policies you agree with, cross out the ones you don't and tally the scores on each page.
Then ask your friend to reveal which party you aligned to the most. You might be surprised.
And I would suggest it's also why a lot of people are frustrated with politics, one reason being they vote on the person not the policy.
It's like being a vegetarian because you really the personality of person X, so you frequent their Steak Houses and eat the limited vegetarian options and always come away unfulfilled and receive only lip-service.
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Its not quite as simple as that you also need to know how they intend to pay for it. |
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"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone? "
What changed since last time you voted for the serial liar?
Genuine question, I'm always curious where people's tipping points are.
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone?
What changed since last time you voted for the serial liar?
Genuine question, I'm always curious where people's tipping points are.
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Yes, which of his lies was acceptable and which unacceptable ? |
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I know I am cynical but honestly, what is wrong with Tory voters? This Tory party have utterly lost their way in choosing the worst prime minister in living memory! His choice of ministers are the lowest quality shambolic bunch of yes people yet, who appear at times to genuinely be a bit thick (Nadine Dorries re Channel 4 funding) or sycophantic arse lickers (Grant Shapps). So just a thought but would it be a good idea if people who have been employed as journalists should be barred from taking up politics (especially if their editor has sacked them for lying - Boris!)  |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone? "
I would look locally at your MP's and go from there.
The party manifesto is simply a statement of aims and is setup to encourage voting for the party in marginal constituencies.
The party who holds the power of government, will deal with day to day issues pretty much the same way, regardless of party.
Your local MP is the person who has influence in your area, get closer to them and hold them responsible for their promises. I think this approach would improve political awareness and improve our political representatives. They are often allowed to slip into the shadows as the country concentrates on the shenanigans of Downing street and the cabinet. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone?
I would look locally at your MP's and go from there.
The party manifesto is simply a statement of aims and is setup to encourage voting for the party in marginal constituencies.
The party who holds the power of government, will deal with day to day issues pretty much the same way, regardless of party.
Your local MP is the person who has influence in your area, get closer to them and hold them responsible for their promises. I think this approach would improve political awareness and improve our political representatives. They are often allowed to slip into the shadows as the country concentrates on the shenanigans of Downing street and the cabinet. "
I agree with the principal but in practice MPs have the party whip to answer to and mostly follow the national lead regardless of concerns by their constituents. Take the Tory MP for Dover who voted to maintain fire and rehire then had the cheek to try and protest against P&O Ferries! She was given short shrift by the people protesting! |
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"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone?
I would look locally at your MP's and go from there.
The party manifesto is simply a statement of aims and is setup to encourage voting for the party in marginal constituencies.
The party who holds the power of government, will deal with day to day issues pretty much the same way, regardless of party.
Your local MP is the person who has influence in your area, get closer to them and hold them responsible for their promises. I think this approach would improve political awareness and improve our political representatives. They are often allowed to slip into the shadows as the country concentrates on the shenanigans of Downing street and the cabinet. "
Also look at your local MPs voting record. See if they vote the way you like on Gay rights, environment etc. You can learn a lot about your sitting MP very quickly. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone?
I would look locally at your MP's and go from there.
The party manifesto is simply a statement of aims and is setup to encourage voting for the party in marginal constituencies.
The party who holds the power of government, will deal with day to day issues pretty much the same way, regardless of party.
Your local MP is the person who has influence in your area, get closer to them and hold them responsible for their promises. I think this approach would improve political awareness and improve our political representatives. They are often allowed to slip into the shadows as the country concentrates on the shenanigans of Downing street and the cabinet.
Also look at your local MPs voting record. See if they vote the way you like on Gay rights, environment etc. You can learn a lot about your sitting MP very quickly."
This advice is good advice Challenge your local MP's they can make a difference when it comes to the mood of the nation at a local level. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone?
I would look locally at your MP's and go from there.
The party manifesto is simply a statement of aims and is setup to encourage voting for the party in marginal constituencies.
The party who holds the power of government, will deal with day to day issues pretty much the same way, regardless of party.
Your local MP is the person who has influence in your area, get closer to them and hold them responsible for their promises. I think this approach would improve political awareness and improve our political representatives. They are often allowed to slip into the shadows as the country concentrates on the shenanigans of Downing street and the cabinet.
I agree with the principal but in practice MPs have the party whip to answer to and mostly follow the national lead regardless of concerns by their constituents. Take the Tory MP for Dover who voted to maintain fire and rehire then had the cheek to try and protest against P&O Ferries! She was given short shrift by the people protesting!"
I agree the whip is strong but not enough people are choosing to hold their MP to task. They look at the government and cabinet and allow their MP's to go about their business with no direction from the constituent.
The PM needs to hear the mood on the street, to allow for directional change to the mood of the country. Taking that steer from the opposition as apposed from the back bench, makes it almost passable to ignore.
What I'm really saying is, people need to be holding their MP to task, that is the only way this country will ever get a better political landscape. |
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"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone? "
I voted Tory last time in local and general election. I will not be doing do again but that's not to say I'll be voting labour. No issue with SKS, more his shadow/shadowy cabinet members. Just too many corbynists |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone? "
I take it your main problem is with Boris as PM. What if he is ousted before the GE, would you consider the conservative party then?. If not why Labour without asking what their intentions are. They are not the only opposition party though the most likely to win. I am also considering them though 2 common things that crop up regularly here are tax loopholes and PR. I have no evidence that these will change under Labour which is a shame |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"At the risk of being hung out to dry……I have voted conservative before. But. I just can’t see how anyone can vote for a party led by someone with zero integrity.
So I will change to Labour, without any consideration to the manifestos or policy commitments. I just can’t vote for a lier. Am I alone?
I take it your main problem is with Boris as PM. What if he is ousted before the GE, would you consider the conservative party then?. If not why Labour without asking what their intentions are. They are not the only opposition party though the most likely to win. I am also considering them though 2 common things that crop up regularly here are tax loopholes and PR. I have no evidence that these will change under Labour which is a shame"
Sadly Leroy I think you are correct re Labour and tax loopholes & PR.
However, none of the parties tick every box for me so I have to go with who ticks most (not just in terms of what is best for me but big picture too and society). |
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