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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
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Look who funds le pen and you may re- consider your view on who she is. She was recently outed by the ex Belgium PM for her party being funded in the most part by the Kremlin. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
Look who funds le pen and you may re- consider your view on who she is. She was recently outed by the ex Belgium PM for her party being funded in the most part by the Kremlin. "
I didn't espouse a view of her, actually. And being one half French and with French Family residing in France I well know - day-to-day who she is and what she represents. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
Look who funds le pen and you may re- consider your view on who she is. She was recently outed by the ex Belgium PM for her party being funded in the most part by the Kremlin.
I didn't espouse a view of her, actually. And being one half French and with French Family residing in France I well know - day-to-day who she is and what she represents."
I’m equally not defending macron so please don’t mistake my post. You commented Le Pen was for the people. I doubt that very much. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
Look who funds le pen and you may re- consider your view on who she is. She was recently outed by the ex Belgium PM for her party being funded in the most part by the Kremlin.
I didn't espouse a view of her, actually. And being one half French and with French Family residing in France I well know - day-to-day who she is and what she represents.
I’m equally not defending macron so please don’t mistake my post. You commented Le Pen was for the people. I doubt that very much. "
She is for 'the French people' and all that entails about Nationalism and the preservation of 'French Identity' whatever that means.
The French, actually, are as English as the English are French.
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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How quaintly French is this . . .
"The role of 'Le Monde' is not to support a candidate," writes Jérôme Fenoglio, the newspaper's director, in his editorial. But, faced with the risk of abstention, we call on everyone to vote, and we state that the candidacies of Marine Le Pen and Eric Zemmour are incompatible with our principles."
Au contraire !!!! lmao!
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"Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
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How different is Marine's politics from her father's? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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well they say the gap is narrowing but at the end of the day its up to the French people to decide. I dont think macrons covid pass policy and saying he wanted to piss non vaccinated people off has helped his cause and i doubt all the yellow vests have suddenly changed their minds either.Will they take a chance on LE penn is the question. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"i have, that's why i asked, as you are the one pushing the agenda here."
The thing with Politics and Politicians is that - one has to experience them over time - and not just jump to a press release (often themselves uniquely steeped in severe political alliances to begin with. Read Le Monde above for proof-perfect of that) or by what you have inherited from your Mum and Dad and the politics of their time, or from the peer-groups in which we all align ourselves in our youth and often temper as we mature. Affiliation for affiliations’ sake simply takes us down a path of least reward and enlightenment, which ultimately clouds our world view down to a single filter of . . .
'I know best - all others laid waste - 'Il n'est pire sourd que celui qui ne veut entendre'
You can't 'get' Le Pen (or any politician for that matter) from a series of politically crafted sound-bites. Particularly when you haven't understood the politics of the artisan to begin with.
In this regard, Google isn't your friend. Much less the Political Press.
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"well they say the gap is narrowing but at the end of the day its up to the French people to decide. I dont think macrons covid pass policy and saying he wanted to piss non vaccinated people off has helped his cause and i doubt all the yellow vests have suddenly changed their minds either.Will they take a chance on LE penn is the question. "
Truthfully. I don't think that they will. It may come to a second runoff . . . but OMG! that says so much about French (nay European Politics at the moment).
I believe that Macron will just get by. Mouvement des gilets jaunes stopped the show at many of Macrons events this year (and many other years ).
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
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I would guess Macron will win in the end. I think the French may want a bit of continuity after covid and now Ukraine with all it's knock on effects. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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It's going to be close.
Prices are rising for all basic French amenities and foods.
The riots about the rising of the retirement age is still current and fresh in the minds of the French people.
The gilets jaunes are still ever present and with petrol and diesel rising again they are ever more physical and vocal.
Le Pen has 'calmed' some of her message to the people.
But there is also an underlying feeling that the turnout will be very low as people are fed up with covid and now Ukraine affecting daily life too, many say they can't see a way through so why bother to vote at all.
This is really odd in French politics because the people normally react very quickly and decisively when faced with economic or social change. Politicians really do walk on eggshells most of the time.
When it was announced that the retirement age was rising in the UK - we all grumbled and got on with it. When it was proposed in France, they rioted and staged strikes across the whole of France. Most of those rioting were ordinary adults with ordinary families - and the age was only being risen to 64 ! (Retirement in France is 62).
Macron has also suffered from his talks with Putin. Whatever he says his aims are, many quarters in France and the World are seeing it as a dangerous precedent that takes him outside the frame of Western and European cooperation and unity. |
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"i have, that's why i asked, as you are the one pushing the agenda here.
The thing with Politics and Politicians is that - one has to experience them over time - and not just jump to a press release (often themselves uniquely steeped in severe political alliances to begin with. Read Le Monde above for proof-perfect of that) or by what you have inherited from your Mum and Dad and the politics of their time, or from the peer-groups in which we all align ourselves in our youth and often temper as we mature. Affiliation for affiliations’ sake simply takes us down a path of least reward and enlightenment, which ultimately clouds our world view down to a single filter of . . .
'I know best - all others laid waste - 'Il n'est pire sourd que celui qui ne veut entendre'
You can't 'get' Le Pen (or any politician for that matter) from a series of politically crafted sound-bites. Particularly when you haven't understood the politics of the artisan to begin with.
In this regard, Google isn't your friend. Much less the Political Press.
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so perhaps answer the question asked which was "is she? says who? " as regards your claim of her being 'for the people'
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"i have, that's why i asked, as you are the one pushing the agenda here.
The thing with Politics and Politicians is that - one has to experience them over time - and not just jump to a press release (often themselves uniquely steeped in severe political alliances to begin with. Read Le Monde above for proof-perfect of that) or by what you have inherited from your Mum and Dad and the politics of their time, or from the peer-groups in which we all align ourselves in our youth and often temper as we mature. Affiliation for affiliations’ sake simply takes us down a path of least reward and enlightenment, which ultimately clouds our world view down to a single filter of . . .
'I know best - all others laid waste - 'Il n'est pire sourd que celui qui ne veut entendre'
You can't 'get' Le Pen (or any politician for that matter) from a series of politically crafted sound-bites. Particularly when you haven't understood the politics of the artisan to begin with.
In this regard, Google isn't your friend. Much less the Political Press.
so perhaps answer the question asked which was "is she? says who? " as regards your claim of her being 'for the people'
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Wrong. Read it again. Then maybe once more. I didn't claim, 'she is for the people'.
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Just been interviews with voters in France. A few said if either of these win they will leave France!
Dunno who else could possibly win?"
Third place candidate is as bad as the second place - possibly worse. |
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It’s the continuing decline of western democracy fuelled by allegedly “professional” politicians willing to say and do anything for money….oh hang on a minute that’s our government! Vive la revolution!!!   |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"And through they both go !!
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Same 2 as last time I think. Any idea what party macron would be in if he was a UK politician?
I can't see him in a corbyn style Labour party so perhaps an SKS Labour party. Or is he a moderate conservative, middle of the road, maybe slightly right leaning? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Would be interesting to see what happens if le pen wins "
Can't see that happening but she does seem to have a bit more support than before. That chap in Hungary winning a landslide in their election upset plenty let alone a Le Penn victory |
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over a year ago
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"Would be interesting to see what happens if le pen wins
Can't see that happening but she does seem to have a bit more support than before. That chap in Hungary winning a landslide in their election upset plenty let alone a Le Penn victory"
Orban, the Pro Putin guy? Everybody should be worried and upset |
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over a year ago
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"Would be interesting to see what happens if le pen wins
Can't see that happening but she does seem to have a bit more support than before. That chap in Hungary winning a landslide in their election upset plenty let alone a Le Penn victory"
imagine though could be good for France see if true colours come out |
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"Would be interesting to see what happens if le pen wins
Can't see that happening but she does seem to have a bit more support than before. That chap in Hungary winning a landslide in their election upset plenty let alone a Le Penn victoryimagine though could be good for France see if true colours come out "
Won't be much fun for non-French or non-christians who live there.
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth |
One might think the “Mélenchonists” will tip the balance, but even though J-L himself has said (on at least four occasions): “Il ne faut pas donner une seul voix a Madame Le Pen”, it doesn’t mean that they’ll vote Macron. In fact, it’ll be the abstainers who’ll decide the outcome, and even if LREM is now perceived seen as the party of the krinklies, 38% of 18-24 year-olds and 33% of 25-34 year-olds never even bothered to vote, which disadvantages RN. Eric Zemmour was treated like our own Nigel Farrage, a great laugh but you’d hardly want him in a Government, or even a credible Opposition.
As for our own little place on the coast (838 eligible votes!) with 24.94% abstentions there were 220 votes for Macron, 130 for Le Pen, 94 for Zemmour, 65 for Pécresse...
It’s still open, the only certainty is that it’s too late for the traditional Socialist and Gaullist Parties to re-brand themselves and are probably finished… |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
Look who funds le pen and you may re- consider your view on who she is. She was recently outed by the ex Belgium PM for her party being funded in the most part by the Kremlin. "
Ah Marie Le Pen, or in English Mary the Pen.
Untrustworthy she is, the game she plays is textbook.
Make people believe she is a moderate, then get in power, and start dismantling government from within, converting the democratic institutions into a pseudo dictatorship.
Her pal Orban did it, so did Putin, so did trump.
The French, will no longer have liberty fraternity and equality if she gets in power.
It will be oppression, division, and superiority.
If France votes her in, we will have an enemy at the gates. |
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"Macron or Le Pen?
Macron, maybe not quite by a whisker, is my guess.
Macrons Politics has been for the Rich, Le Pen for the People. Who knows where it would go if 'National Rally' won.
Interesting times in which we live.
Qui n’avance pas, recule.
Look who funds le pen and you may re- consider your view on who she is. She was recently outed by the ex Belgium PM for her party being funded in the most part by the Kremlin.
Ah Marie Le Pen, or in English Mary the Pen.
Untrustworthy she is, the game she plays is textbook.
Make people believe she is a moderate, then get in power, and start dismantling government from within, converting the democratic institutions into a pseudo dictatorship.
Her pal Orban did it, so did Putin, so did trump.
The French, will no longer have liberty fraternity and equality if she gets in power.
It will be oppression, division, and superiority.
If France votes her in, we will have an enemy at the gates."
Boris will get along fine with using those same tactics to undermine democracy further so expect sabre rattling and secret deals |
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Le Pen is calling for closer ties with Russia .... so it seems she is for the russian people.
Boris johnski and the conservative & unionist party as a whole got their fingers extremely badly burnt with this particular policy. perhaps she didn't notice the disintergration of a mainstream political autocracy that is the tories, over it's financialy corrupt dealings with with an equally sickening autocracy that is the All Russia Peoples Front.
Very dangerous times indeed.
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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Maybe this will help with a broader picture of Macron and Russia to date . . .
https://www.ft.com/content/c23575d4-f491-4691-84d7-6fd0e93e1ebe
There are better French language newspapers that have a better insight, be brave and go find them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe this will help with a broader picture of Macron and Russia to date . . .
https://www.ft.com/content/c23575d4-f491-4691-84d7-6fd0e93e1ebe
There are better French language newspapers that have a better insight, be brave and go find them."
Unfortunately your link is behind a paywall so meaningless to those without a subscription.
In my opinion Macron is better than Le Pen to lead France and he got my vote on Sunday and will get my vote again in 10 days time.
I wonder how many others on here will be casting their vote for the French elections? |
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"Maybe this will help with a broader picture of Macron and Russia to date . . .
https://www.ft.com/content/c23575d4-f491-4691-84d7-6fd0e93e1ebe
There are better French language newspapers that have a better insight, be brave and go find them.
Unfortunately your link is behind a paywall so meaningless to those without a subscription.
In my opinion Macron is better than Le Pen to lead France and he got my vote on Sunday and will get my vote again in 10 days time.
I wonder how many others on here will be casting their vote for the French elections?"
Not many but it seems a few (mainly Brexit supporters) are obsessed with Macron, |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Maybe this will help with a broader picture of Macron and Russia to date . . .
https://www.ft.com/content/c23575d4-f491-4691-84d7-6fd0e93e1ebe
There are better French language newspapers that have a better insight, be brave and go find them.
Unfortunately your link is behind a paywall so meaningless to those without a subscription.
In my opinion Macron is better than Le Pen to lead France and he got my vote on Sunday and will get my vote again in 10 days time.
I wonder how many others on here will be casting their vote for the French elections?"
Oops sorry about that . . . I have a close friend who is a BBC Radio Journalist, so I don't see them.
But try this . . . shut your browser . . . delete all cookies and reboot the link FT should give you at least one page of news in full free. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Zut! Imagine us talking about the French Elections in this post?
Is there an attraction of voting for Le Pen, aside from the standard right wing populist type stuff that got Trump elected?"
Amongst the policies he has sort to reduce employment in the public services.
Increase the retirement age.
Gave birth to the yellow Jacket movement.
Re written terrorism laws which have led to a belief in some quarters that it's a serious erosion of civil rights.
His policies have had riots and strikes across France.
He cut the military budget.
He said he would not allow refugee camps to be allowed in Paris Arrondissements.
He has increased the ability of companies to hire and fire. Reducing labour protections for employees.
He told employers that they could hire immigrant labour at the wage levels of their home country. He got into trouble with the EU because of this.
Recently he has being accused by some in the West and in France as thinking only about France with regard to normalisation of the relationship with Russia (to protect gas and oil supplies) during the attacks on Ukraine.
He is best described as centre right which is a slight move from centrist.
Le Pen? Well she's not had power yet. Her stance has softened on many issues.
Will Macron win? Probably.
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"Zut! Imagine us talking about the French Elections in this post?
Is there an attraction of voting for Le Pen, aside from the standard right wing populist type stuff that got Trump elected?
Amongst the policies he has sort to reduce employment in the public services.
Increase the retirement age.
Gave birth to the yellow Jacket movement.
Re written terrorism laws which have led to a belief in some quarters that it's a serious erosion of civil rights.
His policies have had riots and strikes across France.
He cut the military budget.
He said he would not allow refugee camps to be allowed in Paris Arrondissements.
He has increased the ability of companies to hire and fire. Reducing labour protections for employees.
He told employers that they could hire immigrant labour at the wage levels of their home country. He got into trouble with the EU because of this.
Recently he has being accused by some in the West and in France as thinking only about France with regard to normalisation of the relationship with Russia (to protect gas and oil supplies) during the attacks on Ukraine.
He is best described as centre right which is a slight move from centrist.
Le Pen? Well she's not had power yet. Her stance has softened on many issues.
Will Macron win? Probably.
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Yeah she's less overtly racist than she was.
So the main jist is, Macron is a bad president, rather than she could be good? |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Zut! Imagine us talking about the French Elections in this post?
Is there an attraction of voting for Le Pen, aside from the standard right wing populist type stuff that got Trump elected?
Amongst the policies he has sort to reduce employment in the public services.
Increase the retirement age.
Gave birth to the yellow Jacket movement.
Re written terrorism laws which have led to a belief in some quarters that it's a serious erosion of civil rights.
His policies have had riots and strikes across France.
He cut the military budget.
He said he would not allow refugee camps to be allowed in Paris Arrondissements.
He has increased the ability of companies to hire and fire. Reducing labour protections for employees.
He told employers that they could hire immigrant labour at the wage levels of their home country. He got into trouble with the EU because of this.
Recently he has being accused by some in the West and in France as thinking only about France with regard to normalisation of the relationship with Russia (to protect gas and oil supplies) during the attacks on Ukraine.
He is best described as centre right which is a slight move from centrist.
Le Pen? Well she's not had power yet. Her stance has softened on many issues.
Will Macron win? Probably.
Yeah she's less overtly racist than she was.
So the main jist is, Macron is a bad president, rather than she could be good?"
I wouldn't vote for her and non of my Family in France do. But they aren't best pleased with Macron right now. The difficulty for Macron may come with a low turnout. This really favours Le Pen.
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"Zut! Imagine us talking about the French Elections in this post?
Is there an attraction of voting for Le Pen, aside from the standard right wing populist type stuff that got Trump elected?
Amongst the policies he has sort to reduce employment in the public services.
Increase the retirement age.
Gave birth to the yellow Jacket movement.
Re written terrorism laws which have led to a belief in some quarters that it's a serious erosion of civil rights.
His policies have had riots and strikes across France.
He cut the military budget.
He said he would not allow refugee camps to be allowed in Paris Arrondissements.
He has increased the ability of companies to hire and fire. Reducing labour protections for employees.
He told employers that they could hire immigrant labour at the wage levels of their home country. He got into trouble with the EU because of this.
Recently he has being accused by some in the West and in France as thinking only about France with regard to normalisation of the relationship with Russia (to protect gas and oil supplies) during the attacks on Ukraine.
He is best described as centre right which is a slight move from centrist.
Le Pen? Well she's not had power yet. Her stance has softened on many issues.
Will Macron win? Probably.
Yeah she's less overtly racist than she was.
So the main jist is, Macron is a bad president, rather than she could be good?
I wouldn't vote for her and non of my Family in France do. But they aren't best pleased with Macron right now. The difficulty for Macron may come with a low turnout. This really favours Le Pen.
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I don't especially like Macron. If I was in France I would not be excited about the choices. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Zut! Imagine us talking about the French Elections in this post?
Is there an attraction of voting for Le Pen, aside from the standard right wing populist type stuff that got Trump elected?
Amongst the policies he has sort to reduce employment in the public services.
Increase the retirement age.
Gave birth to the yellow Jacket movement.
Re written terrorism laws which have led to a belief in some quarters that it's a serious erosion of civil rights.
His policies have had riots and strikes across France.
He cut the military budget.
He said he would not allow refugee camps to be allowed in Paris Arrondissements.
He has increased the ability of companies to hire and fire. Reducing labour protections for employees.
He told employers that they could hire immigrant labour at the wage levels of their home country. He got into trouble with the EU because of this.
Recently he has being accused by some in the West and in France as thinking only about France with regard to normalisation of the relationship with Russia (to protect gas and oil supplies) during the attacks on Ukraine.
He is best described as centre right which is a slight move from centrist.
Le Pen? Well she's not had power yet. Her stance has softened on many issues.
Will Macron win? Probably.
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That's quite a list he has to his name. Like you though I think he will win |
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