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"Gonna sit on the fence for a moment with this, not because I remotely agree with Putin and Russia’s invasion etc, but because propaganda during a war can be delivered by both sides to achieve their respective aims. My suspicion is it is true and Russian troops have done this but I can’t help asking why? They would know how this would look to the whole world. They would know this would get out. I cannot understand the logic from a Russian POV? I can see this type of horror strengthening resolve by the West and supporters of Ukraine and possibly (won’t hold my breath) even alienate China and India (be about time). So cannot see any benefits of these actions." Yes sone good points here. I can’t understand why the Russians didn’t hide it more as they had time . Leaving a corpse with hands bound seems stupid in the extreme . Look at me I’m committing a war crime . Maybe they thought it would put fear into the locals and at the time they believed they were moving forward so it didn’t matter. I do believe more of these horrors are going to come out if the Russians are pushed back in the East but that’s a big IF! Putin is done on the world stage. It’s only a matter of time now before his downfall I hope. | |||
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"Gonna sit on the fence for a moment with this, not because I remotely agree with Putin and Russia’s invasion etc, but because propaganda during a war can be delivered by both sides to achieve their respective aims. My suspicion is it is true and Russian troops have done this but I can’t help asking why? They would know how this would look to the whole world. They would know this would get out. I cannot understand the logic from a Russian POV? I can see this type of horror strengthening resolve by the West and supporters of Ukraine and possibly (won’t hold my breath) even alienate China and India (be about time). So cannot see any benefits of these actions." agree with you on this, only thing i will say is about the males who have been killed is the russians will be looking at any male above 16yrs old as the enemy as its common knowledge if your between 16 and 60 your expected to fight, no way am i saying its right whats going on and like yourself has said propaganda from both sides | |||
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"It looks terrible. Putin and those responsible need investigation. They may however use the same trick how the USA evades responsibility for war crimes in Afghanistan By declaring it a tragic mistake. It works for the USA and other countries unfortunately" Isn’t that more about missile strikes and shelling - ie “collateral damage? This appears to be civilians with their hands and feet tied who have then been shot. | |||
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"It looks terrible. Putin and those responsible need investigation. They may however use the same trick how the USA evades responsibility for war crimes in Afghanistan By declaring it a tragic mistake. It works for the USA and other countries unfortunately Isn’t that more about missile strikes and shelling - ie “collateral damage? This appears to be civilians with their hands and feet tied who have then been shot." Ah right.. Didn't read that bit about being tied | |||
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"I do not believe anything from the media. " Nothing? | |||
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"I do not believe anything from the media. " Agreed - in this age of deep fake videos we do not know if any of it is real. | |||
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"WHAT ABOUT THE AMERICANS SOLDIERS WHO TUTORED INNOCENT IRAQIS AND EVEN KILLED THEM AND TOOK PICS WITH DEAD BODIES LAUGHING ?? DONT BELIEVE ME GOOGLE IT !! WHY DOUBLE STANDARDS ??" It isn't double standards because from my recollection there was outrage in what happened in Iraq too. | |||
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"WHAT ABOUT THE AMERICANS SOLDIERS WHO TUTORED INNOCENT IRAQIS AND EVEN KILLED THEM AND TOOK PICS WITH DEAD BODIES LAUGHING ?? DONT BELIEVE ME GOOGLE IT !! WHY DOUBLE STANDARDS ??" Wooaahh there! You can't just accuse the USA of double standards like torturing and murdering civilians , opening up torture camps like Guantanamo Bay (which is still open btw) and held people for 20+ years without trial and yet is a member of the UN Human rights council thingy! Especially when its all true and they're fucking appalling hypocrites | |||
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"Apart from the sheer brutality and wrongness of it all, it seems odd in the extreme. To go to the effort to bind and then execute the unfortunate victims says to me "We wanted this to be discovered and outrage to follow". It's a deliberate and meditated act. It's also a time-consuming one. In the theatre of war, time is incredibly valuable on the battlefield and every second counts. So we have a unit of "unknowns" who took their time to bind and execute the victims, ignoring other primary military objectives (like attack or retreat). I believe this was not a "normal unit". By normal, I mean a regular unit of Russia "lads" in their teens, who would either be attacking or worrying about a retreat first and foremost. I believe it was a trained unit of ruthless killers, and their sole objective was to sow fear and disgust. It worked. The question is, who gains and who loses from this ? This war is increasingly getting more dirty by the minute, and I hope these perpetrators are found and brought to The Hague for the prosecution of war crimes. "  | |||
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"I do not believe anything from the media. Nothing? " It's trial by media and knee jerk reactions that aren't needed. A proper investigation is needed. Preserve the alleged crime scene and investigate properly and asap by people who know their business. As said before, it may be staged, it may not | |||
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"so all those kids played dead you all want to open your fucking eyes" Yes, knee jerk reactions like that | |||
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"I do not believe anything from the media. Nothing? It's trial by media and knee jerk reactions that aren't needed. A proper investigation is needed. Preserve the alleged crime scene and investigate properly and asap by people who know their business. As said before, it may be staged, it may not" Pretty sure it’s erring on the non staged | |||
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"Apart from the sheer brutality and wrongness of it all, it seems odd in the extreme. To go to the effort to bind and then execute the unfortunate victims says to me "We wanted this to be discovered and outrage to follow". It's a deliberate and meditated act. It's also a time-consuming one. In the theatre of war, time is incredibly valuable on the battlefield and every second counts. So we have a unit of "unknowns" who took their time to bind and execute the victims, ignoring other primary military objectives (like attack or retreat). I believe this was not a "normal unit". By normal, I mean a regular unit of Russia "lads" in their teens, who would either be attacking or worrying about a retreat first and foremost. I believe it was a trained unit of ruthless killers, and their sole objective was to sow fear and disgust. It worked. The question is, who gains and who loses from this ? This war is increasingly getting more dirty by the minute, and I hope these perpetrators are found and brought to The Hague for the prosecution of war crimes. " Putin etc threatened that it was going to get much worse. They want the world to see what is happening so they bow to Russia's demands. The only thing I am surprised about is that Russia is/ are denying they did it. | |||
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"so all those kids played dead you all want to open your fucking eyes" Youve seen something I haven't ? | |||
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, simples | |||
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"When civilians are given weapons and told to go fight an army, civilians will get killed , simples"There’s only one aggressor here | |||
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" Putin etc threatened that it was going to get much worse. They want the world to see what is happening so they bow to Russia's demands. The only thing I am surprised about is that Russia is/ are denying they did it." It’s not even the fact that the Russians are denying it.. it’s that they can’t even get their denial stories straight… In the last 24 hrs.. it’s gone from being the Ukrainian nazis, to a staged US operation, to the brits being involved as their reporters are covieniently on site..the propaganda merchants, to fake actors!!! | |||
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" Putin etc threatened that it was going to get much worse. They want the world to see what is happening so they bow to Russia's demands. The only thing I am surprised about is that Russia is/ are denying they did it. It’s not even the fact that the Russians are denying it.. it’s that they can’t even get their denial stories straight… In the last 24 hrs.. it’s gone from being the Ukrainian nazis, to a staged US operation, to the brits being involved as their reporters are covieniently on site..the propaganda merchants, to fake actors!!! " Madness. What have they got to lose though. They could say pink fluffy rabbits did it but what can anyone do about it. They will just chuck a few nukes out while snuffling their baby blankie.  | |||
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"Whoever did it we should still be outraged at innocent civilians bring executed. Yes there are historical hypocrisies and double standards in the world. Arguing about those and media spin / deep fake does not protect the civilians. The balance of probability suggests what the outcome of the investigation is going to be. Unless someone wants to argue that the relentless and indiscriminate shelling of civilian centres is also fake? Surely that tells you all you need to know about adherence to international conventions and human decency - even in wartime. "
Innocent people are dying. It is awful. All we need to know. It needs to stop.
On radio this morning there was a story about footage surfacing of a Ukrainian woman who was killed, stripped and a swastika branded/cut/drawn into her skin.
Surely the one thing we can all agree on is how utterly depressing it is to know what horrific depravity human beings are able to inflict on each other! And the fear that the type of psychos willing to do this walk among us every day waiting for an excuse! | |||
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"It looks terrible. Putin and those responsible need investigation. They may however use the same trick how the USA evades responsibility for war crimes in Afghanistan By declaring it a tragic mistake. It works for the USA and other countries unfortunately Isn’t that more about missile strikes and shelling - ie “collateral damage? This appears to be civilians with their hands and feet tied who have then been shot." What's the difference tho? If its a "mistake" missile strike or genocide,dead civilians are dead civilians Both deliberate acts and both done to cause fear to civilian population | |||
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"It looks terrible. Putin and those responsible need investigation. They may however use the same trick how the USA evades responsibility for war crimes in Afghanistan By declaring it a tragic mistake. It works for the USA and other countries unfortunately Isn’t that more about missile strikes and shelling - ie “collateral damage? This appears to be civilians with their hands and feet tied who have then been shot. What's the difference tho? If its a "mistake" missile strike or genocide,dead civilians are dead civilians Both deliberate acts and both done to cause fear to civilian population " There is a big difference. It doesn’t make it ok but not the same... 1) Aiming missiles or artillery at civilian areas = war crime 2) Rounding up/arresting civilians (or soldiers actually), tying them up, torturing and executing them = war crime 3) Aiming missiles or artillery at a military target and missing hitting civilians instead = terrible mistake and “collateral damage” The Geneva Convention makes clear the definitions (now whether these are “flexed” is another point). | |||
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"It looks terrible. Putin and those responsible need investigation. They may however use the same trick how the USA evades responsibility for war crimes in Afghanistan By declaring it a tragic mistake. It works for the USA and other countries unfortunately Isn’t that more about missile strikes and shelling - ie “collateral damage? This appears to be civilians with their hands and feet tied who have then been shot. What's the difference tho? If its a "mistake" missile strike or genocide,dead civilians are dead civilians Both deliberate acts and both done to cause fear to civilian population " They won’t charge putin with genocide because that specifically relates to race or religion motives, they can absolutely charge him with acts against humanity though.. | |||
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"It looks terrible. Putin and those responsible need investigation. They may however use the same trick how the USA evades responsibility for war crimes in Afghanistan By declaring it a tragic mistake. It works for the USA and other countries unfortunately Isn’t that more about missile strikes and shelling - ie “collateral damage? This appears to be civilians with their hands and feet tied who have then been shot. What's the difference tho? If its a "mistake" missile strike or genocide,dead civilians are dead civilians Both deliberate acts and both done to cause fear to civilian population They won’t charge putin with genocide because that specifically relates to race or religion motives, they can absolutely charge him with acts against humanity though.. " We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg. So hard to make a call precisely what the charges might ultimately be. Metaphorically speaking We’re talking about the first 5 miles in the coverage of a marathon here. There’s a lot more milage to cover before the story ends. | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?" what does this mean? | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? " Obviously not much on a FAB forum  | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum "You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly? | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly? "Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered" | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered""I'm not sure what your angle is, Putin sympathiser? Whatever your angle, he is guilty of invading another country under false pretence. Spouting, innocent until proven guilty when events are unfolding in front of your eyes is laughable. Is Putin's army in Ukraine? Have they demolished the and decimated their outlying cities and towns? | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered""Much like the poor souls who have been left dead in the streets and in basements then | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
Much like the poor souls who have been left dead in the streets and in basements then "One side of the story, I'm afraid. If you give civilians guns and say go fight you shouldn't be surprised if civilians end up dead | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
I'm not sure what your angle is, Putin sympathiser? Whatever your angle, he is guilty of invading another country under false pretence.
Spouting, innocent until proven guilty when events are unfolding in front of your eyes is laughable.
Is Putin's army in Ukraine?
Have they demolished the and decimated their outlying cities and towns?
"Do you have the slightest notion of what the Ukraine government has been doing in Donbass since 2014? Or do you also want to be blind as well as hanging innocent people? | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser "I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
Much like the poor souls who have been left dead in the streets and in basements then
One side of the story, I'm afraid. If you give civilians guns and say go fight you shouldn't be surprised if civilians end up dead"Civilians or soldiers or civilians as armed militia are all protected by the Geneva Convention. Tying up, torturing and executing is a war crime. | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
Much like the poor souls who have been left dead in the streets and in basements then
One side of the story, I'm afraid. If you give civilians guns and say go fight you shouldn't be surprised if civilians end up dead
Civilians or soldiers or civilians as armed militia are all protected by the Geneva Convention. Tying up, torturing and executing is a war crime."Agreed they are war crimes but it still must be proven and when/if proven then we can hang him | |||
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"If the Russians are so sure of their story, then they would have no objections to claims being investigated, and put before a Court? " Why did the west cut off RT news, are people in the west so gullible we can't make up our own minds or does the west not want us to see both sides of the argument? | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
Much like the poor souls who have been left dead in the streets and in basements then
One side of the story, I'm afraid. If you give civilians guns and say go fight you shouldn't be surprised if civilians end up dead
Civilians or soldiers or civilians as armed militia are all protected by the Geneva Convention. Tying up, torturing and executing is a war crime.
Agreed they are war crimes but it still must be proven and when/if proven then we can hang him"You can guarantee this cannot be linked to Putin. He will say the troops were not acting under orders/rogue element. Although he will then need to publicly condemn the actions of his own soldiers! | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM"It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure... You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it | |||
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"Why did the west cut off RT news, are people in the west so gullible we can't make up our own minds or does the west not want us to see both sides of the argument?" this. Although you can still watch Russia Today (RT) and Sputnik via a VPN online | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it "I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved"What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions? | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved
What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions?"Where does your certainty come from the MSM? Why did the west stop RT news? Why are they not telling us of the atrocities that where being committed in Donbass before Putin went in? | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved
What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions?
Where does your certainty come from the MSM? Why did the west stop RT news? Why are they not telling us of the atrocities that where being committed in Donbass before Putin went in? "In your replies you have mentioned Donbass many times, you have also mentioned that I am happy to hang innocent people, namely Putin. Do you want to finish off with your thoughts on Salisbury? I would also really like to hear your views on the Donbass, explanation of how Putin used a protest to insert Russian irregular soldiers, invade when that did not work out, his troops shooting down a passenger jet killing 290+ people, 10 from the UK. His ego and his destruction of life are of the same magnitude. | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM"Ah MSM argument 
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved
What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions?
Where does your certainty come from the MSM? Why did the west stop RT news? Why are they not telling us of the atrocities that where being committed in Donbass before Putin went in?
In your replies you have mentioned Donbass many times, you have also mentioned that I am happy to hang innocent people, namely Putin.
Do you want to finish off with your thoughts on Salisbury?
I would also really like to hear your views on the Donbass, explanation of how Putin used a protest to insert Russian irregular soldiers, invade when that did not work out, his troops shooting down a passenger jet killing 290+ people, 10 from the UK.
His ego and his destruction of life are of the same magnitude."So it doesn't worry you that the west has stopped RT news and allowing the public to make up it's own mind, so it can feed propaganda to the masses? Nothing to say about Ukraine atrocities on Russian speaking Ukraine nationals? | |||
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So much for Russian truth | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered""He is completely guilty of invading Ukraine! You seem to be forgetting he has form in Syria. | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved
What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions?
Where does your certainty come from the MSM? Why did the west stop RT news? Why are they not telling us of the atrocities that where being committed in Donbass before Putin went in?
In your replies you have mentioned Donbass many times, you have also mentioned that I am happy to hang innocent people, namely Putin.
Do you want to finish off with your thoughts on Salisbury?
I would also really like to hear your views on the Donbass, explanation of how Putin used a protest to insert Russian irregular soldiers, invade when that did not work out, his troops shooting down a passenger jet killing 290+ people, 10 from the UK.
His ego and his destruction of life are of the same magnitude.
So it doesn't worry you that the west has stopped RT news and allowing the public to make up it's own mind, so it can feed propaganda to the masses?
Nothing to say about Ukraine atrocities on Russian speaking Ukraine nationals?
"When pushed you have not presented a single argument, other than why did the West ban RT news. If you need that explaining, it is probably a good idea for me to stop wasting my time. | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
He is completely guilty of invading Ukraine! You seem to be forgetting he has form in Syria. "Agreed he is guilty of invading Ukraine, whilst trying to help liberate people of the Donbass | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved
What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions?
Where does your certainty come from the MSM? Why did the west stop RT news? Why are they not telling us of the atrocities that where being committed in Donbass before Putin went in?
In your replies you have mentioned Donbass many times, you have also mentioned that I am happy to hang innocent people, namely Putin.
Do you want to finish off with your thoughts on Salisbury?
I would also really like to hear your views on the Donbass, explanation of how Putin used a protest to insert Russian irregular soldiers, invade when that did not work out, his troops shooting down a passenger jet killing 290+ people, 10 from the UK.
His ego and his destruction of life are of the same magnitude.
So it doesn't worry you that the west has stopped RT news and allowing the public to make up it's own mind, so it can feed propaganda to the masses?
Nothing to say about Ukraine atrocities on Russian speaking Ukraine nationals?
When pushed you have not presented a single argument, other than why did the West ban RT news.
If you need that explaining, it is probably a good idea for me to stop wasting my time."Ciao | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
He is completely guilty of invading Ukraine! You seem to be forgetting he has form in Syria.
Agreed he is guilty of invading Ukraine, whilst trying to help liberate people of the Donbass"If that was true why did he 1st concentrate his efforts on Kiev? Remember when Russia denied they were even going to invade Ukraine and said it was Western propaganda? Yes I can see why you would trust put in at his word! | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved
What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions?
Where does your certainty come from the MSM? Why did the west stop RT news? Why are they not telling us of the atrocities that where being committed in Donbass before Putin went in?
In your replies you have mentioned Donbass many times, you have also mentioned that I am happy to hang innocent people, namely Putin.
Do you want to finish off with your thoughts on Salisbury?
I would also really like to hear your views on the Donbass, explanation of how Putin used a protest to insert Russian irregular soldiers, invade when that did not work out, his troops shooting down a passenger jet killing 290+ people, 10 from the UK.
His ego and his destruction of life are of the same magnitude.
So it doesn't worry you that the west has stopped RT news and allowing the public to make up it's own mind, so it can feed propaganda to the masses?
Nothing to say about Ukraine atrocities on Russian speaking Ukraine nationals?
When pushed you have not presented a single argument, other than why did the West ban RT news.
If you need that explaining, it is probably a good idea for me to stop wasting my time."RT has not actually been banned it's just not as easily available, Wey seem to be forgetting that Russia has pretty much banned all outside news agencies and even putting new laws that would mean anyone but doesn't to the Russia line will go to prison. | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
Much like the poor souls who have been left dead in the streets and in basements then
One side of the story, I'm afraid. If you give civilians guns and say go fight you shouldn't be surprised if civilians end up dead
Civilians or soldiers or civilians as armed militia are all protected by the Geneva Convention. Tying up, torturing and executing is a war crime."Some on fab seem tonthink that there are mitigating circumstances or that this might be staged it seems! Even if civilians have guns and fight. They are still protected and execution style killing. Now - given that Ukraine NEEDS its citizens on side to defeat Russia, it would be a huge gamble to stage this in the hope to drags NATO into the war. So whilst it might be a theoretical side to a story, highly unlikely. Likewise - I doubt that the BBC or CNN have the foreign correspondence budget to fake this news. Now another western power intelligence agency might have the resources to do so - but since the red line has been drawn and Russia already called out for war crimes for bombings, what purpose would that serve. So that leaves Russian soldiers or a proxy militia either going rogue or doing it with encouragement/orders. So whether intentional or recklessly responsible the Russian leadership on balance of probability have some level of culpability. But time will tell. Does being a Russian sympathiser pay well I wonder? I’m very curious as to the motives tbh. | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved"Since none on here will ever likely be on the “jury” then speculation os allowed. That’s what people do with the evidence that’s before them. But I agree there’s a high level of distrust of some of that evidence on both sides - depending on the agenda or world view one takes around the events. Same can be said of the spin applied to the atrocities committed week by week in Gaza etc. | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved
What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions?
Where does your certainty come from the MSM? Why did the west stop RT news? Why are they not telling us of the atrocities that where being committed in Donbass before Putin went in?
In your replies you have mentioned Donbass many times, you have also mentioned that I am happy to hang innocent people, namely Putin.
Do you want to finish off with your thoughts on Salisbury?
I would also really like to hear your views on the Donbass, explanation of how Putin used a protest to insert Russian irregular soldiers, invade when that did not work out, his troops shooting down a passenger jet killing 290+ people, 10 from the UK.
His ego and his destruction of life are of the same magnitude.
So it doesn't worry you that the west has stopped RT news and allowing the public to make up it's own mind, so it can feed propaganda to the masses?
Nothing to say about Ukraine atrocities on Russian speaking Ukraine nationals?
When pushed you have not presented a single argument, other than why did the West ban RT news.
If you need that explaining, it is probably a good idea for me to stop wasting my time.
RT has not actually been banned it's just not as easily available, Wey seem to be forgetting that Russia has pretty much banned all outside news agencies and even putting new laws that would mean anyone but doesn't to the Russia line will go to prison. "And sympathisers think the bias in our MSN is heavy. Do we have the same legal constraints on reporting here? But of course it is all a scam and a conspiracy yet RT tells the truth. | |||
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"I think someone is a Putin sympathiser
I believe there is always 2 sides to every story and i have no trust whatsoever of western MSM
It boils down to, I don't trust MSM? although you have added western for good measure...
You know what is happening in Ukraine and you are denying it
I'm denying nothing but you are assuming someone is guilty of war crimes before it's been proved
What would give you a single thought that Putin is not guilty of war crimes? Not he hasn't been proven guilty, where is your doubt? His soldiers, give me your thoughts on why you would not attribute war crimes to their actions?
Where does your certainty come from the MSM? Why did the west stop RT news? Why are they not telling us of the atrocities that where being committed in Donbass before Putin went in?
In your replies you have mentioned Donbass many times, you have also mentioned that I am happy to hang innocent people, namely Putin.
Do you want to finish off with your thoughts on Salisbury?
I would also really like to hear your views on the Donbass, explanation of how Putin used a protest to insert Russian irregular soldiers, invade when that did not work out, his troops shooting down a passenger jet killing 290+ people, 10 from the UK.
His ego and his destruction of life are of the same magnitude.
So it doesn't worry you that the west has stopped RT news and allowing the public to make up it's own mind, so it can feed propaganda to the masses?
Nothing to say about Ukraine atrocities on Russian speaking Ukraine nationals?
When pushed you have not presented a single argument, other than why did the West ban RT news.
If you need that explaining, it is probably a good idea for me to stop wasting my time.
RT has not actually been banned it's just not as easily available, Wey seem to be forgetting that Russia has pretty much banned all outside news agencies and even putting new laws that would mean anyone but doesn't to the Russia line will go to prison.
And sympathisers think the bias in our MSN is heavy. Do we have the same legal constraints on reporting here? But of course it is all a scam and a conspiracy yet RT tells the truth. "I genuinely don't understand some people's logic. Whilst I think we should look at all media with a view of slight scepticism I think the fact that lots of people do not believe mainstream media is playing into the hands of people like Putin and regimes like his | |||
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" Civilians or soldiers or civilians as armed militia are all protected by the Geneva Convention. Tying up, torturing and executing is a war crime. " Time there was a Geneva Convention banning all types of war. | |||
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" Civilians or soldiers or civilians as armed militia are all protected by the Geneva Convention. Tying up, torturing and executing is a war crime. Time there was a Geneva Convention banning all types of war." Even the keyboard warriors? | |||
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" Civilians or soldiers or civilians as armed militia are all protected by the Geneva Convention. Tying up, torturing and executing is a war crime. Time there was a Geneva Convention banning all types of war." This | |||
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"so all those kids played dead you all want to open your fucking eyes Yes, knee jerk reactions like that" Very well made point | |||
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" Civilians or soldiers or civilians as armed militia are all protected by the Geneva Convention. Tying up, torturing and executing is a war crime. Time there was a Geneva Convention banning all types of war." I agree, though sadly as long is there is vast amounts of money to be made from weapons it will never happen. | |||
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"If the Russians are so sure of their story, then they would have no objections to claims being investigated, and put before a Court? " Or in effect have certain UN bodies investigate and not try to meddle or slow down the results.. I did notice our RT friends trying to give the Two sides line… but it’s not an western media issue… it’s an one countries state media issue… unless the likes of Al Jazeera suddenly became “western MSM” Although I did like the thought of someone backing RT on the Salisbury poisonings and the downing of MH-17 | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
He is completely guilty of invading Ukraine! You seem to be forgetting he has form in Syria. "Remember it’s not a war according to our RT friends… it’s a “special military operation “  | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
He is completely guilty of invading Ukraine! You seem to be forgetting he has form in Syria.
Remember it’s not a war according to our RT friends… it’s a “special military operation “ "Yes Don't mention the war! | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
He is completely guilty of invading Ukraine! You seem to be forgetting he has form in Syria.
Agreed he is guilty of invading Ukraine, whilst trying to help liberate people of the Donbass"Have you seen how many miles Donbass is from kyiv ? And the route he would have to have taken to get there ? | |||
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" Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"" On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians is an essay published in 2021 that sets out Putin's intentions and attitude to Ukraine, it also made the list of mandatory reading for the Russian army | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
He is completely guilty of invading Ukraine! You seem to be forgetting he has form in Syria.
Agreed he is guilty of invading Ukraine, whilst trying to help liberate people of the Donbass
Have you seen how many miles Donbass is from kyiv ? And the route he would have to have taken to get there ?
"Tell me when did you last fight a "special military operation"? | |||
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" Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered" On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians is an essay published in 2021 that sets out Putin's intentions and attitude to Ukraine, it also made the list of mandatory reading for the Russian army" The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. | |||
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"What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? what does this mean? Obviously not much on a FAB forum
You are not making it easy to understand your view point, what are you saying, exactly?
Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered"
He is completely guilty of invading Ukraine! You seem to be forgetting he has form in Syria.
Agreed he is guilty of invading Ukraine, whilst trying to help liberate people of the Donbass
Have you seen how many miles Donbass is from kyiv ? And the route he would have to have taken to get there ?
Tell me when did you last fight a "special military operation"?"It's not a special military operation and anybody that I swallowing that is deluded. | |||
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"The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now." this is true - the Azko Brigade did (and still do) torture and murder ethnic Russians and ethnic Greeks. They do not want any non-indigenous Ukrainians to be in Ukraine. That is why Putin had gone in back in 2014. | |||
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" Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered" On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians is an essay published in 2021 that sets out Putin's intentions and attitude to Ukraine, it also made the list of mandatory reading for the Russian army The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now." And that isn't right and if he was simply liberating his own people then they would be some support but he isn't! You seem very reluctant answer the question as to why he has invaded other parts of the country that are absolutely nowhere near the Donbas. Have you not heard the words coming out of Putin's mouth about the Ukrainian people? | |||
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"The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. this is true - the Azko Brigade did (and still do) torture and murder ethnic Russians and ethnic Greeks. They do not want any non-indigenous Ukrainians to be in Ukraine. That is why Putin had gone in back in 2014. "Seems to me you and others think that what is happening is acceptable and that is atrocious. | |||
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"RT were found guilty of editing news and videos to support their cause. Laveov keeps saying that no civilians have been targeted in this invasion yet we can plainly see whole blocks of flats hospitals nurseries playgrounds ect hombre to fuck
So much for Russian truth "Remember the people up in the 15th floor flats were human shields apparently… and the people hiding in the basements from the bombings were human shields… and the kids in the nurseries were human shields…. See a pattern reoccurring… hmmmm | |||
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"RT were found guilty of editing news and videos to support their cause. Laveov keeps saying that no civilians have been targeted in this invasion yet we can plainly see whole blocks of flats hospitals nurseries playgrounds ect hombre to fuck
So much for Russian truth
Remember the people up in the 15th floor flats were human shields apparently… and the people hiding in the basements from the bombings were human shields… and the kids in the nurseries were human shields….
See a pattern reoccurring… hmmmm"Yes and Putin's regime has a history of this yet I am astounded people seem to somehow think that what he has done is defensible or western MSM propaganda. | |||
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"The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. this is true - the Azko Brigade did (and still do) torture and murder ethnic Russians and ethnic Greeks. They do not want any non-indigenous Ukrainians to be in Ukraine. That is why Putin had gone in back in 2014. "Two wrongs don’t make a right. So are you defending this latest set of atrocities are “revenge” / retaliation and therefore ok? | |||
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" Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered" On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians is an essay published in 2021 that sets out Putin's intentions and attitude to Ukraine, it also made the list of mandatory reading for the Russian army The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now." You haven't read it have you | |||
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"The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. this is true - the Azko Brigade did (and still do) torture and murder ethnic Russians and ethnic Greeks. They do not want any non-indigenous Ukrainians to be in Ukraine. That is why Putin had gone in back in 2014. "The Azov battalion could have, and should have, been dealt with in peacetime via policing and legal methods. Put them on trial. Condemn them for their hate crimes and hatespeech. Send them to prison, try to reform them, and lock them away if they don't. It's what the civilized world has done with extremists. After Putin's invasion Azov's never going to disarm. Every time the Ukrainian government rows them back on their insanity they're got the golden ticket of coming to the defense against Russia. | |||
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" Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered" On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians is an essay published in 2021 that sets out Putin's intentions and attitude to Ukraine, it also made the list of mandatory reading for the Russian army The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. And that isn't right and if he was simply liberating his own people then they would be some support but he isn't! You seem very reluctant answer the question as to why he has invaded other parts of the country that are absolutely nowhere near the Donbas. Have you not heard the words coming out of Putin's mouth about the Ukrainian people?" As for the fighting in Kyiv and other parts, if some nation wanted to liberate Scotland from the nasty English, they would first send into Scotland a defence force and then start to attack the English military to stop them retaking Scotland | |||
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" Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered" On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians is an essay published in 2021 that sets out Putin's intentions and attitude to Ukraine, it also made the list of mandatory reading for the Russian army The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. You haven't read it have you" No | |||
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"The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. this is true - the Azko Brigade did (and still do) torture and murder ethnic Russians and ethnic Greeks. They do not want any non-indigenous Ukrainians to be in Ukraine. That is why Putin had gone in back in 2014.
The Azov battalion could have, and should have, been dealt with in peacetime via policing and legal methods. Put them on trial. Condemn them for their hate crimes and hatespeech. Send them to prison, try to reform them, and lock them away if they don't. It's what the civilized world has done with extremists.
After Putin's invasion Azov's never going to disarm. Every time the Ukrainian government rows them back on their insanity they're got the golden ticket of coming to the defense against Russia. "This and you only need to look at what happened when Russia invaded Afghanistan. The taliban was born. | |||
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" Putin is innocent until it is proven he is guilty but some people on the forum already have him "hung drawn and quartered" On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians is an essay published in 2021 that sets out Putin's intentions and attitude to Ukraine, it also made the list of mandatory reading for the Russian army The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. And that isn't right and if he was simply liberating his own people then they would be some support but he isn't! You seem very reluctant answer the question as to why he has invaded other parts of the country that are absolutely nowhere near the Donbas. Have you not heard the words coming out of Putin's mouth about the Ukrainian people? As for the fighting in Kyiv and other parts, if some nation wanted to liberate Scotland from the nasty English, they would first send into Scotland a defence force and then start to attack the English military to stop them retaking Scotland" There was already a defence force in the Donbas so try again. I actually can't believe you think that this ok. | |||
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"The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. this is true - the Azko Brigade did (and still do) torture and murder ethnic Russians and ethnic Greeks. They do not want any non-indigenous Ukrainians to be in Ukraine. That is why Putin had gone in back in 2014.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. So are you defending this latest set of atrocities are “revenge” / retaliation and therefore ok? "Same can be said for any war, be it WW2, Vietnam etc….. | |||
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"The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. this is true - the Azko Brigade did (and still do) torture and murder ethnic Russians and ethnic Greeks. They do not want any non-indigenous Ukrainians to be in Ukraine. That is why Putin had gone in back in 2014. "The worst thing about the Azov Battalion is that it’s state funded too | |||
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"The Russian speaking Ukrainians have been persecuted by the Ukraine government for many years now. this is true - the Azko Brigade did (and still do) torture and murder ethnic Russians and ethnic Greeks. They do not want any non-indigenous Ukrainians to be in Ukraine. That is why Putin had gone in back in 2014.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. So are you defending this latest set of atrocities are “revenge” / retaliation and therefore ok?
Same can be said for any war, be it WW2, Vietnam etc….."Ah so you DO agree that Israeli actions against Palestinians are wrong! | |||
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"When the Russian army invaded East Prussia in 1914 they killed civilians. When the Soviet Red Army invaded East Prussia in 1944 they killed civilians by the bucket load. They also r@ped women in every country they ‘liberated’. During WW2? Ukrainian resistance fought the Germans and Soviet partisans. The atrocities were terrible. What has happened now is characteristic of Russia. It’s a bit like a civil war which are often worse than other wars. To those who doubt or dither in whatsboutery you’re just Putin bots and should hang your heads in shame." putin bots lol nope some people are just waiting for independant investigators to investigate instead of beliving what either side is saying,are russian soilders behaving like cunts yea more than likley same as some ukrainian soilders will be behaving like cunts aswell, like i said id rather wait until a proper investigation happens instead of what either side is saying happend | |||
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"When the Russian army invaded East Prussia in 1914 they killed civilians. When the Soviet Red Army invaded East Prussia in 1944 they killed civilians by the bucket load. They also r@ped women in every country they ‘liberated’. During WW2? Ukrainian resistance fought the Germans and Soviet partisans. The atrocities were terrible. What has happened now is characteristic of Russia. It’s a bit like a civil war which are often worse than other wars. To those who doubt or dither in whatsboutery you’re just Putin bots and should hang your heads in shame.putin bots lol nope some people are just waiting for independant investigators to investigate instead of beliving what either side is saying,are russian soilders behaving like cunts yea more than likley same as some ukrainian soilders will be behaving like cunts aswell, like i said id rather wait until a proper investigation happens instead of what either side is saying happend" Independent of all major world news outlets? How about sending in Miss Marple? | |||
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"When the Russian army invaded East Prussia in 1914 they killed civilians. When the Soviet Red Army invaded East Prussia in 1944 they killed civilians by the bucket load. They also r@ped women in every country they ‘liberated’. During WW2? Ukrainian resistance fought the Germans and Soviet partisans. The atrocities were terrible. What has happened now is characteristic of Russia. It’s a bit like a civil war which are often worse than other wars. To those who doubt or dither in whatsboutery you’re just Putin bots and should hang your heads in shame.putin bots lol nope some people are just waiting for independant investigators to investigate instead of beliving what either side is saying,are russian soilders behaving like cunts yea more than likley same as some ukrainian soilders will be behaving like cunts aswell, like i said id rather wait until a proper investigation happens instead of what either side is saying happend Independent of all major world news outlets? How about sending in Miss Marple?" nah i was thinking more along the lines of the organisation that actually investigates these things, as fir world media i stopped beliving half the stuff they put out years ago, nearly always an agenda of some sort be it left leaning or right leaning and some are nothing more than opinions, gone are the days of just reporting the actual news | |||
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"When the Russian army invaded East Prussia in 1914 they killed civilians. When the Soviet Red Army invaded East Prussia in 1944 they killed civilians by the bucket load. They also r@ped women in every country they ‘liberated’. During WW2? Ukrainian resistance fought the Germans and Soviet partisans. The atrocities were terrible. What has happened now is characteristic of Russia. It’s a bit like a civil war which are often worse than other wars. To those who doubt or dither in whatsboutery you’re just Putin bots and should hang your heads in shame.putin bots lol nope some people are just waiting for independant investigators to investigate instead of beliving what either side is saying,are russian soilders behaving like cunts yea more than likley same as some ukrainian soilders will be behaving like cunts aswell, like i said id rather wait until a proper investigation happens instead of what either side is saying happend Independent of all major world news outlets? How about sending in Miss Marple?nah i was thinking more along the lines of the organisation that actually investigates these things, as fir world media i stopped beliving half the stuff they put out years ago, nearly always an agenda of some sort be it left leaning or right leaning and some are nothing more than opinions, gone are the days of just reporting the actual news" But the news is being reported its just some people choose not to believe it. I have been many independent reports including satellite imagery which backs up what is being said by Ukraine. | |||
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"When the Russian army invaded East Prussia in 1914 they killed civilians. When the Soviet Red Army invaded East Prussia in 1944 they killed civilians by the bucket load. They also r@ped women in every country they ‘liberated’. During WW2? Ukrainian resistance fought the Germans and Soviet partisans. The atrocities were terrible. What has happened now is characteristic of Russia. It’s a bit like a civil war which are often worse than other wars. To those who doubt or dither in whatsboutery you’re just Putin bots and should hang your heads in shame.putin bots lol nope some people are just waiting for independant investigators to investigate instead of beliving what either side is saying,are russian soilders behaving like cunts yea more than likley same as some ukrainian soilders will be behaving like cunts aswell, like i said id rather wait until a proper investigation happens instead of what either side is saying happend Independent of all major world news outlets? How about sending in Miss Marple?nah i was thinking more along the lines of the organisation that actually investigates these things, as fir world media i stopped beliving half the stuff they put out years ago, nearly always an agenda of some sort be it left leaning or right leaning and some are nothing more than opinions, gone are the days of just reporting the actual news But the news is being reported its just some people choose not to believe it. I have been many independent reports including satellite imagery which backs up what is being said by Ukraine. " like i said when war crime investigators go in and investigate then i will pass judgment until then you me and everyone else in the west are just going by what both sides are saying, were you as outraged about all the dead civillians in iraq?the private contractors/mercenaries opening fire on civillians as there driving down the road minding there own buissnes or helicopter gunships mowing down civillians or dont that count because it was us and our allies? Truth is in war the rules go out the window. Like i said im waiting for the proper investigation to happen instead of going on my feelings | |||
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" Ah so you DO agree that Israeli actions against Palestinians are wrong! " No. Israel is defending itself against terrorism. It’s is NOT the same! | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred." bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? | |||
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" Ah so you DO agree that Israeli actions against Palestinians are wrong! No. Israel is defending itself against terrorism. It’s is NOT the same! " Are you genuinely not aware of what's going on in Gaza or the West Bank? | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? " The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ? | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred." Did Putin give these orders, was it some servicing officer, or was it some soldiers that went mad like we've seen US soldiers do in Iraq and in Vietnam. | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? " Shooting or executing ? Big difference between binding someone’s hands behind their back and shooting them in the head
Or attacking woman and children ?
But yes let’s wait till the investigations the result will be the same | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred. Did Putin give these orders, was it some servicing officer, or was it some soldiers that went mad like we've seen US soldiers do in Iraq and in Vietnam." Can’t imagine anyone doing what Putin didn’t want where the consequences for them would be death. | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? Shooting or executing ? Big difference between binding someone’s hands behind their back and shooting them in the head
Or attacking woman and children ?
But yes let’s wait till the investigations the result will be the same "From my own experience in NI those women would happily put a bomb in a pram and put the baby on top of the bomb to hide it. They're not all so innocent | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? Shooting or executing ? Big difference between binding someone’s hands behind their back and shooting them in the head
Or attacking woman and children ?
But yes let’s wait till the investigations the result will be the same
From my own experience in NI those women would happily put a bomb in a pram and put the baby on top of the bomb to hide it. They're not all so innocent"There was and is still only one aggressor/invader here | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? Shooting or executing ? Big difference between binding someone’s hands behind their back and shooting them in the head
Or attacking woman and children ?
But yes let’s wait till the investigations the result will be the same "they probably will be the same but id rather wait till its been investigated properly instead of going on wat the t.v is telling me to think, and it dont matter if peoples hands are tied behind there backs or not you are saying the russians are guilty of war crimes then so must british troops be guilty of them to after what happend on bloody sunday then i meen dead civillians are dead civillians wether there hands are bound or not | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?" are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred. Did Putin give these orders, was it some servicing officer, or was it some soldiers that went mad like we've seen US soldiers do in Iraq and in Vietnam." For the purposes of the crimes that can be charged at the International Criminal Court it actually doesn’t matter anymore… they added a specific charge against leaders of a country if it’s deemed they didn’t explicitly order it, but if it’s something the commanding officers thought the leaders would have reasonably asked of them | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred. Did Putin give these orders, was it some servicing officer, or was it some soldiers that went mad like we've seen US soldiers do in Iraq and in Vietnam. For the purposes of the crimes that can be charged at the International Criminal Court it actually doesn’t matter anymore… they added a specific charge against leaders of a country if it’s deemed they didn’t explicitly order it, but if it’s something the commanding officers thought the leaders would have reasonably asked of them " It comes under the crimes of aggression statute…. Which is a separate charge to others (genocide, crimes against humanity, and general war crimes) | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? Shooting or executing ? Big difference between binding someone’s hands behind their back and shooting them in the head
Or attacking woman and children ?
But yes let’s wait till the investigations the result will be the same
From my own experience in NI those women would happily put a bomb in a pram and put the baby on top of the bomb to hide it. They're not all so innocent
There was and is still only one aggressor/invader here "He is helping to liberate the oppressed people of Donbass from the Ukraine government. | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? Shooting or executing ? Big difference between binding someone’s hands behind their back and shooting them in the head
Or attacking woman and children ?
But yes let’s wait till the investigations the result will be the same
From my own experience in NI those women would happily put a bomb in a pram and put the baby on top of the bomb to hide it. They're not all so innocent
There was and is still only one aggressor/invader here
He is helping to liberate the oppressed people of Donbass from the Ukraine government."Keep telling yourself that | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? Shooting or executing ? Big difference between binding someone’s hands behind their back and shooting them in the head
Or attacking woman and children ?
But yes let’s wait till the investigations the result will be the same
From my own experience in NI those women would happily put a bomb in a pram and put the baby on top of the bomb to hide it. They're not all so innocent
There was and is still only one aggressor/invader here
He is helping to liberate the oppressed people of Donbass from the Ukraine government."The Pravda is strong in you…. Again someone asked you a question which you avoided to answer If the liberation of the oppressed people of the Donbass is the goal (and 1/3 of the region was under the control of the Russian backed separatists anyway… which means that the goal is to take the 2/3 under Ukraine control.. which is a another topic) then why are you attack Kyiv with Russians troops coming out of Belarus… and why are they attacking the south out of Crimea! (Again another subject for a different thread) | |||
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" Ah so you DO agree that Israeli actions against Palestinians are wrong! No. Israel is defending itself against terrorism. It’s is NOT the same! Are you genuinely not aware of what's going on in Gaza or the West Bank?" I think it is more the case of not wanting to know! While some argue that Israel is marching towards becoming a Theocracy, the difficulty of separating the Jewish religion from the state of Israel means that some people take any criticism of Israel as being anti-semitic which is clearly bonkers. That is like saying any criticism of Italy is anti Catholic (supposedly if Israel is a democratic republic and not a theocracy). Indeed the Knesset itself says... “The State of Israel … will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture." One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter! | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story" Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens. | |||
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" Ah so you DO agree that Israeli actions against Palestinians are wrong! No. Israel is defending itself against terrorism. It’s is NOT the same! Are you genuinely not aware of what's going on in Gaza or the West Bank? I think it is more the case of not wanting to know! While some argue that Israel is marching towards becoming a Theocracy, the difficulty of separating the Jewish religion from the state of Israel means that some people take any criticism of Israel as being anti-semitic which is clearly bonkers. That is like saying any criticism of Italy is anti Catholic (supposedly if Israel is a democratic republic and not a theocracy). Indeed the Knesset itself says... “The State of Israel … will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture." One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter!" I am more than aware of what Muslim terrorists are doing. | |||
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" Ah so you DO agree that Israeli actions against Palestinians are wrong! No. Israel is defending itself against terrorism. It’s is NOT the same! Are you genuinely not aware of what's going on in Gaza or the West Bank? I think it is more the case of not wanting to know! While some argue that Israel is marching towards becoming a Theocracy, the difficulty of separating the Jewish religion from the state of Israel means that some people take any criticism of Israel as being anti-semitic which is clearly bonkers. That is like saying any criticism of Italy is anti Catholic (supposedly if Israel is a democratic republic and not a theocracy). Indeed the Knesset itself says... “The State of Israel … will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture." One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter! I am more than aware of what Muslim terrorists are doing. " And yet you have no criticism of the actions of the Israeli Govt and army? You appear to think this is all one sided and the fault of just the Palestinians. Even though earlier in relation to the war in Ukraine you agreed that two wrongs do not make a right. | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens." just wanted to know if you hold our own soilders to the same standards or if you were just being a hypocrite, were you as outraged about war crimes in iraq? Or just ukraine because they look like us, and as for ukrainian citizens they stopped being that when there president stopped 16-60 year olds leaving the country because they have to stay and fight the russians, not to sure if telling your people they have to stay and fight is legal or not, mabey one of our experts on everything could enlighten me | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. " Which part of my post is incorrect? | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? " Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? " Stop digging Mitzi  | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. " Horrific opinion too, based on misinformation. | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. Horrific opinion too, based on misinformation." Continue living in cloud cuckoo land…. | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. " They are cold hard facts. Try reading up on the subject | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Stop digging Mitzi "* ignore* | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. Horrific opinion too, based on misinformation. Continue living in cloud cuckoo land…." Don't even know what the point of you contributing to this thread is. If you believe bombing and killing families and kids is cool, and insult anyone who has a broader understanding of the situation. Just seems pointless. | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. Horrific opinion too, based on misinformation. Continue living in cloud cuckoo land…. Don't even know what the point of you contributing to this thread is. If you believe bombing and killing families and kids is cool, and insult anyone who has a broader understanding of the situation. Just seems pointless." *ignore* keep ranting | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Stop digging Mitzi
* ignore* "So do you hate Muslims? Is everything happening in the territories of Israel/Palestine solely the fault of Muslims? You appear to be saying that? | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. Horrific opinion too, based on misinformation. Continue living in cloud cuckoo land…. Don't even know what the point of you contributing to this thread is. If you believe bombing and killing families and kids is cool, and insult anyone who has a broader understanding of the situation. Just seems pointless. *ignore* keep ranting " That's the spirit. Ignore information, continue to blindly believe whatever anti-islam bullshit you are fed. That's going to help. | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. They are cold hard facts. Try reading up on the subject" But they are not fact though are they they are something you have come to a conclusion about there is a massive difference. Islam is a recognised religion fact, Islam is a cult opinion. See the difference. | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens.just wanted to know if you hold our own soilders to the same standards or if you were just being a hypocrite, were you as outraged about war crimes in iraq? Or just ukraine because they look like us, and as for ukrainian citizens they stopped being that when there president stopped 16-60 year olds leaving the country because they have to stay and fight the russians, not to sure if telling your people they have to stay and fight is legal or not, mabey one of our experts on everything could enlighten me" I stay on topic. No hypocrisy there. | |||
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" Hmmm in the same way as you accuse people on here as being anti-semitic when they are critical of Israel, you have just posted an anti-islamic statement. Not sure on Fab rules but you have just strayed into a legal minefield. Which part of my post is incorrect? Almost all of it as it is an option and not fact. They are cold hard facts. Try reading up on the subject" Could you provide some relevant reference points that would assist in our understanding? Maybe the same sources that inform about C4 funding and the ownership of US energy Grid? | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens.just wanted to know if you hold our own soilders to the same standards or if you were just being a hypocrite, were you as outraged about war crimes in iraq? Or just ukraine because they look like us, and as for ukrainian citizens they stopped being that when there president stopped 16-60 year olds leaving the country because they have to stay and fight the russians, not to sure if telling your people they have to stay and fight is legal or not, mabey one of our experts on everything could enlighten me I stay on topic. No hypocrisy there." not answering if us and our allies also commit war crimes i see, the russias have prob commited crimes against hummanity but unlike yourself i will wait for the official investigation before i tar and feather them. Although i do find it odd all the bad things the russians do there is no camera fone footage floating about yet if its the ukrainians having a succsess there are multiple different angles of it | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens.just wanted to know if you hold our own soilders to the same standards or if you were just being a hypocrite, were you as outraged about war crimes in iraq? Or just ukraine because they look like us, and as for ukrainian citizens they stopped being that when there president stopped 16-60 year olds leaving the country because they have to stay and fight the russians, not to sure if telling your people they have to stay and fight is legal or not, mabey one of our experts on everything could enlighten me I stay on topic. No hypocrisy there.not answering if us and our allies also commit war crimes i see, the russias have prob commited crimes against hummanity but unlike yourself i will wait for the official investigation before i tar and feather them. Although i do find it odd all the bad things the russians do there is no camera fone footage floating about yet if its the ukrainians having a succsess there are multiple different angles of it" Trying to muddy the waters just seems as though you are trying to make excuses for Russia. Up to you but I’m certain they maliciously slaughtered innocents. | |||
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"Anyone believe the Russians aren’t behind the massacre of civilians??? Heartbreaking…… So… just waiting on our favourite Russian apologists to give us the line " He doesn't believe it . . . https://news.sky.com/story/matt-le-tissier-steps-aside-from-southampton-role-after-backlash-over-ukraine-tweet-12583640 | |||
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"On checking site was at katyn and just under 22,000 were murdered,grim reading by any standard" Ordered by Stalin with Kruschev by his side. | |||
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"Anyone believe the Russians aren’t behind the massacre of civilians??? Heartbreaking…… So… just waiting on our favourite Russian apologists to give us the line He doesn't believe it . . . https://news.sky.com/story/matt-le-tissier-steps-aside-from-southampton-role-after-backlash-over-ukraine-tweet-12583640 "I’m sure David Icke is sceptical too, as will a whole bunch of alt.right looks who think anything reported on western media is an out and out lie. Seems his social media savvy is about as shit as hit football skills were. | |||
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" Although i do find it odd all the bad things the russians do there is no camera fone footage floating about yet if its the ukrainians having a succsess there are multiple different angles of it" I think any phone footage taken in russian held areas is on phones whose owners are a bit too dead to share | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens.just wanted to know if you hold our own soilders to the same standards or if you were just being a hypocrite, were you as outraged about war crimes in iraq? Or just ukraine because they look like us, and as for ukrainian citizens they stopped being that when there president stopped 16-60 year olds leaving the country because they have to stay and fight the russians, not to sure if telling your people they have to stay and fight is legal or not, mabey one of our experts on everything could enlighten me I stay on topic. No hypocrisy there.not answering if us and our allies also commit war crimes i see, the russias have prob commited crimes against hummanity but unlike yourself i will wait for the official investigation before i tar and feather them. Although i do find it odd all the bad things the russians do there is no camera fone footage floating about yet if its the ukrainians having a succsess there are multiple different angles of it Trying to muddy the waters just seems as though you are trying to make excuses for Russia. Up to you but I’m certain they maliciously slaughtered innocents." like i said they probably have but im waiting for actual evidence before saying there guilty, one side saying there guilty other side saying there not so i will wait for actual evidence hows that making excuses for russia? And your certain eh? Are you on the ground out there or just basing your certainty on what the t.v is telling you, fact is until its investigated by war crimes investigators no one outside of that town really knows what happend, | |||
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" Trying to muddy the waters just seems as though you are trying to make excuses for Russia. Up to you but I’m certain they maliciously slaughtered innocents.like i said they probably have but im waiting for actual evidence before saying there guilty, one side saying there guilty other side saying there not so i will wait for actual evidence hows that making excuses for russia? And your certain eh? Are you on the ground out there or just basing your certainty on what the t.v is telling you, fact is until its investigated by war crimes investigators no one outside of that town really knows what happend," I wonder how much trust there will be in the impartiality of the investigators. If there are puppet masters with the reach and resources to “fake” such atrocities and cry war crimes, then such a conspiracy must also encompass having investigators “in your pocket” too? | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens.just wanted to know if you hold our own soilders to the same standards or if you were just being a hypocrite, were you as outraged about war crimes in iraq? Or just ukraine because they look like us, and as for ukrainian citizens they stopped being that when there president stopped 16-60 year olds leaving the country because they have to stay and fight the russians, not to sure if telling your people they have to stay and fight is legal or not, mabey one of our experts on everything could enlighten me I stay on topic. No hypocrisy there.not answering if us and our allies also commit war crimes i see, the russias have prob commited crimes against hummanity but unlike yourself i will wait for the official investigation before i tar and feather them. Although i do find it odd all the bad things the russians do there is no camera fone footage floating about yet if its the ukrainians having a succsess there are multiple different angles of it Trying to muddy the waters just seems as though you are trying to make excuses for Russia. Up to you but I’m certain they maliciously slaughtered innocents.like i said they probably have but im waiting for actual evidence before saying there guilty, one side saying there guilty other side saying there not so i will wait for actual evidence hows that making excuses for russia? And your certain eh? Are you on the ground out there or just basing your certainty on what the t.v is telling you, fact is until its investigated by war crimes investigators no one outside of that town really knows what happend," Russia did the same in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Syria. That’s my certainty. | |||
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" Although i do find it odd all the bad things the russians do there is no camera fone footage floating about yet if its the ukrainians having a succsess there are multiple different angles of it I think any phone footage taken in russian held areas is on phones whose owners are a bit too dead to share" If they were alive enough to take the footage they were alive enough to upload it | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens.just wanted to know if you hold our own soilders to the same standards or if you were just being a hypocrite, were you as outraged about war crimes in iraq? Or just ukraine because they look like us, and as for ukrainian citizens they stopped being that when there president stopped 16-60 year olds leaving the country because they have to stay and fight the russians, not to sure if telling your people they have to stay and fight is legal or not, mabey one of our experts on everything could enlighten me I stay on topic. No hypocrisy there.not answering if us and our allies also commit war crimes i see, the russias have prob commited crimes against hummanity but unlike yourself i will wait for the official investigation before i tar and feather them. Although i do find it odd all the bad things the russians do there is no camera fone footage floating about yet if its the ukrainians having a succsess there are multiple different angles of it Trying to muddy the waters just seems as though you are trying to make excuses for Russia. Up to you but I’m certain they maliciously slaughtered innocents.like i said they probably have but im waiting for actual evidence before saying there guilty, one side saying there guilty other side saying there not so i will wait for actual evidence hows that making excuses for russia? And your certain eh? Are you on the ground out there or just basing your certainty on what the t.v is telling you, fact is until its investigated by war crimes investigators no one outside of that town really knows what happend, Russia did the same in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Syria. That’s my certainty." bit like us then killing civillians where we go to war, few hundred thousand iraqis dead you really think shock and awe only killed the bad guys, blackwater employees opening fire on civillians? If its not war crimes when we do it how can we stand there with a straight face acuusing others of war crimes when they kill civillians? Its either the same rules for everyone or no rules at all, otherwise its hypocrisy | |||
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"The USSR denied the Katyn massacre until the 1990s. I had old books that stated it was a Nazi crime that Hitler tried to blame on Stalin. Nope it was done on Stalin’s orders. These current killings were ordered by Putin.His army was not asked to enter Ukraine. They came with malice and hatred.bit like us in iraq then, what are your thoughts on british soilders shooting unarmed civillians in northern ireland? The topic is Ukraine. Incidentally what are your thoughts on William the Conqueror ?are i see you dont want to answer about brit troops in northern ireland because you know were british we are clean as a whistle, cant comment on william the conqueror as no footage of him only whats written in history books and well there always written by the winner so never get both sides of the story Why answer what is not under discussion ie the killing of Ukrainian citizens.just wanted to know if you hold our own soilders to the same standards or if you were just being a hypocrite, were you as outraged about war crimes in iraq? Or just ukraine because they look like us, and as for ukrainian citizens they stopped being that when there president stopped 16-60 year olds leaving the country because they have to stay and fight the russians, not to sure if telling your people they have to stay and fight is legal or not, mabey one of our experts on everything could enlighten me I stay on topic. No hypocrisy there.not answering if us and our allies also commit war crimes i see, the russias have prob commited crimes against hummanity but unlike yourself i will wait for the official investigation before i tar and feather them. Although i do find it odd all the bad things the russians do there is no camera fone footage floating about yet if its the ukrainians having a succsess there are multiple different angles of it Trying to muddy the waters just seems as though you are trying to make excuses for Russia. Up to you but I’m certain they maliciously slaughtered innocents.like i said they probably have but im waiting for actual evidence before saying there guilty, one side saying there guilty other side saying there not so i will wait for actual evidence hows that making excuses for russia? And your certain eh? Are you on the ground out there or just basing your certainty on what the t.v is telling you, fact is until its investigated by war crimes investigators no one outside of that town really knows what happend, Russia did the same in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Syria. That’s my certainty.bit like us then killing civillians where we go to war, few hundred thousand iraqis dead you really think shock and awe only killed the bad guys, blackwater employees opening fire on civillians? If its not war crimes when we do it how can we stand there with a straight face acuusing others of war crimes when they kill civillians? Its either the same rules for everyone or no rules at all, otherwise its hypocrisy " The us or our soldiers, as you refer to them, is somewhat contradictory to your projected sentiment. You continue to underpin your views with, look what we did wrong.. The point you are missing by a country mile, is we learn, put right and even prosecute where it is needed. Putin, does not acknowledge war crimes, does not make efforts to stop atrocities. If you lived under his control, you would not be afforded your disparaging views of the nation, army or his control. | |||
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