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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"BBC reports that many existing contracts are agreed in Euros and it is unclear if Russia can change them  "
I think as it stands putin can do what the fuck he wants and contracts are his least concern.  |
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"BBC reports that many existing contracts are agreed in Euros and it is unclear if Russia can change them I think as it stands putin can do what the fuck he wants and contracts are his least concern. "
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"An act of desperation to try and prop up the ruble.
Exactly but what will those dependent on the gas do, pay in rubles or go without?"
There’s no date on it yet, I suspect he is trying to push it through hoping no one is going to challenge it.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"An act of desperation to try and prop up the ruble.
Exactly but what will those dependent on the gas do, pay in rubles or go without?"
The financial sanctions already imposed should stop that from happening, surely?
The rub for Putin, is the gas and oil he is sitting on is only worth what countries are prepared to pay. If nobody buys it, it is worthless.
Getting off out of the Russian supply chain ASAP is now a priority for all but those opportunist countries who are signing up and capitalising on this tragedy.
It is going to be painful for the time it takes the West to workout alternatives, but that pain is nowhere near the pain the people of Ukraine are going through.
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"An act of desperation to try and prop up the ruble.
Exactly but what will those dependent on the gas do, pay in rubles or go without?
The financial sanctions already imposed should stop that from happening, surely?
The rub for Putin, is the gas and oil he is sitting on is only worth what countries are prepared to pay. If nobody buys it, it is worthless.
Getting off out of the Russian supply chain ASAP is now a priority for all but those opportunist countries who are signing up and capitalising on this tragedy.
It is going to be painful for the time it takes the West to workout alternatives, but that pain is nowhere near the pain the people of Ukraine are going through.
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Totally agree the longer the west take the more suffering the Ukraine's will endure. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"An act of desperation to try and prop up the ruble.
Exactly but what will those dependent on the gas do, pay in rubles or go without?
The financial sanctions already imposed should stop that from happening, surely?
The rub for Putin, is the gas and oil he is sitting on is only worth what countries are prepared to pay. If nobody buys it, it is worthless.
Getting off out of the Russian supply chain ASAP is now a priority for all but those opportunist countries who are signing up and capitalising on this tragedy.
It is going to be painful for the time it takes the West to workout alternatives, but that pain is nowhere near the pain the people of Ukraine are going through.
Totally agree the longer the west take the more suffering the Ukraine's will endure."
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"It looks like the gas going to be europe is going to be shut off and diverted to china."
The first Russia to China doesn't come upto full capacity until 2025.
A new and more important pipeline, hasn't been started yet and won't be operational until 2030. |
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"It looks like the gas going to be europe is going to be shut off and diverted to china.
The first Russia to China doesn't come upto full capacity until 2025.
A new and more important pipeline, hasn't been started yet and won't be operational until 2030."
It will be finished and commissioned well before them and then China and Russia will be undercutting their western partners with cheap molecules of freedom.
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"It looks like the gas going to be europe is going to be shut off and diverted to china.
The first Russia to China doesn't come upto full capacity until 2025.
A new and more important pipeline, hasn't been started yet and won't be operational until 2030."
They will have plenty of time the german chancellor said today they cant put sanctions on russian gas as it will ruin the economy music to putins ears. |
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"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
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Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states. "
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)! |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!"
You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.  |
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"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s. "
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". "
It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".  |
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"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints". "
Climate change isn't a view point. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".
Climate change isn't a view point."
You seem intent on a disagreement again today are you bored? who said it was? |
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"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".
Climate change isn't a view point.You seem intent on a disagreement again today are you bored? who said it was?"
Are we not here to discuss things?
Or should I only post when I agree with you. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".
Climate change isn't a view point.You seem intent on a disagreement again today are you bored? who said it was?
Are we not here to discuss things?
Or should I only post when I agree with you. "
Of course we are but it is impossible to debate with someone who reads a post but makes up their own mind instead of actually reading what is written, ive mentioned this several times with you now, please just argue against what is written and not what is in your head. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
Well in the past month a bloke in Russia has done his best to put as much carbon and co2 into the atmosphere as he can.
Not to mention how much will be added rebuilding a whole country
The human race is losing the race against climate change! |
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"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".
Climate change isn't a view point.You seem intent on a disagreement again today are you bored? who said it was?
Are we not here to discuss things?
Or should I only post when I agree with you. Of course we are but it is impossible to debate with someone who reads a post but makes up their own mind instead of actually reading what is written, ive mentioned this several times with you now, please just argue against what is written and not what is in your head."
Think you've just described yourself there. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".
Climate change isn't a view point.You seem intent on a disagreement again today are you bored? who said it was?
Are we not here to discuss things?
Or should I only post when I agree with you. Of course we are but it is impossible to debate with someone who reads a post but makes up their own mind instead of actually reading what is written, ive mentioned this several times with you now, please just argue against what is written and not what is in your head.
Think you've just described yourself there."
keep deflecting mate ive mentioned it several times this week in various threads. |
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"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".
Climate change isn't a view point.You seem intent on a disagreement again today are you bored? who said it was?
Are we not here to discuss things?
Or should I only post when I agree with you. Of course we are but it is impossible to debate with someone who reads a post but makes up their own mind instead of actually reading what is written, ive mentioned this several times with you now, please just argue against what is written and not what is in your head.
Think you've just described yourself there.keep deflecting mate ive mentioned it several times this week in various threads."
Just because you mention something doesn't make it true.
I admire you sticking to your points. A lot of the things you try to defend are from a very difficult position. I don't mean to undermine the discussion. I'm just here for the fun of disagreement.
If you really don't like it when I reply, I can avoid your posts and comments. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".
Climate change isn't a view point.You seem intent on a disagreement again today are you bored? who said it was?
Are we not here to discuss things?
Or should I only post when I agree with you. Of course we are but it is impossible to debate with someone who reads a post but makes up their own mind instead of actually reading what is written, ive mentioned this several times with you now, please just argue against what is written and not what is in your head.
Think you've just described yourself there.keep deflecting mate ive mentioned it several times this week in various threads.
Just because you mention something doesn't make it true.
I admire you sticking to your points. A lot of the things you try to defend are from a very difficult position. I don't mean to undermine the discussion. I'm just here for the fun of disagreement.
If you really don't like it when I reply, I can avoid your posts and comments. "
Im happy to debate thing with you just read what i post and debate that not what you think i mean. |
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"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s.
Climate change was well understood in the 80's. We should have started to phase out fossil fuels then. But people didn't listen to the "greenies". It could be argued then that Maggie was a visionary exactly what i was agreeing on "the weaponization of viewpoints".
Climate change isn't a view point.You seem intent on a disagreement again today are you bored? who said it was?
Are we not here to discuss things?
Or should I only post when I agree with you. Of course we are but it is impossible to debate with someone who reads a post but makes up their own mind instead of actually reading what is written, ive mentioned this several times with you now, please just argue against what is written and not what is in your head.
Think you've just described yourself there.keep deflecting mate ive mentioned it several times this week in various threads.
Just because you mention something doesn't make it true.
I admire you sticking to your points. A lot of the things you try to defend are from a very difficult position. I don't mean to undermine the discussion. I'm just here for the fun of disagreement.
If you really don't like it when I reply, I can avoid your posts and comments. Im happy to debate thing with you just read what i post and debate that not what you think i mean."
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Now if the uk had just not listened to the greenies we would have been fracking ages ago and actually making money and not spending it!
Or maybe listened to the "greenies" and have energy from renewable sources so we didn't have to rely on fossil fuels from terror states.
Quite right!
You gotta love the weaponisation of different viewpoints!
Surely just common sense and long term planning that says a finite resource like fossil fuels (regardless of the climate change argument) will run out so we need to develop alternatives asap.
Otherwise we face two issues:
1. Those who have the supplies of that finite resource will always have power over everyone else!
2. Even more important, we will run out (no not in our lifetime but does that mean we do not act now)!You are right there i bet a lot of people with the same view point now were supporting the miners back in the 80,s. "
I’ve read that several times now and I still don’t get what you mean? Maybe end of the working week fatigue? Or being thick! |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"BBC reports that many existing contracts are agreed in Euros and it is unclear if Russia can change them I think as it stands putin can do what the fuck he wants and contracts are his least concern. "
Absolutely.. take it, or leave it..
Won't be the only contract Russia has torn up or changed.
Why are people so nieve?
Seriously, prepare for power outages. 50% of our electricity is generated from gas.
Don't fall for the "we buy little Russian gas" bullshit.
3% Russian gas is tankered, around 40% is transferred by European suppliers via pipelines that ultimately lead to Russia.
I did another post on suggestions for prepping if you search which had a lot of info.
Mainly, Solar/Battery/Generator and be prepared to convert boiler to LPG.. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Well in the past month a bloke in Russia has done his best to put as much carbon and co2 into the atmosphere as he can.
Not to mention how much will be added rebuilding a whole country
The human race is losing the race against climate change!"
Think over the last 5 weeks, the race was lost.
On top of the fuel burnt in military vehicles, burning buildings and fuel depots there is a hidden issue.
It seems every dwelling or business in Ukraine has an Air Conditioner stuck on the outside wall. Each one contains at least 0.5kg of Refrigerant Gas whose greenhouse capability is far beyond CO2.
CO2 can eventually be soaked up, these gases remain for 100's of years, damage Ozone and warming the planet, hence the legal requirement of certification to work on them.
R410A is a hyd uorocarbon (HFCs) refrigerant, that was viewed as safer for the environment than R22. It has a GWP (Global Warming Potential) of 2,090, meaning that if one kilogram is released into the atmosphere, it would have 2,090 times the impact of one kilogram of carbon.
I hope one day he stands in the Hague accused or war crimes and environmental damage he has caused.
As for 'greenies', I generate 80% of the energy used at home, not because I am green, because its common sense to make it myself. Soon to also be road, why there are negative connotations towards those wanting to reduce Carbon emissions in favour of continued burning of fossil fuels is beyond me.
Fracking is NOT the solution, nor is imported LNG, Sea Gas. A reduction of reliance on CO2 emitting energy sources is. After the initial investment payback, energy is a gift from the Sky. Just had to replace a worn out Inverter and while waiting, the Energy meter was showing my 'baseline' consumption was £750/yr based on April 1st rates, that's before the TV, washer, dryer is switched on.
This is now back to £ZERO so don't anyone tell me Solar isn't worth it.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"So putin now wants unfriendly countries to pay for gas in Rubles to prop up the currency I wonder what Germany will do? "
Well seems this has not gone away as both Germany and Austria have said they are preparing for gas rationing. Only first steps so far but not a good sign. On a slightly brighter note Russia now says payments in rubles could be brought in gradually |
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"So putin now wants unfriendly countries to pay for gas in Rubles to prop up the currency I wonder what Germany will do?
Well seems this has not gone away as both Germany and Austria have said they are preparing for gas rationing. Only first steps so far but not a good sign. On a slightly brighter note Russia now says payments in rubles could be brought in gradually"
I wonder who will srt the exchange rates, if alternative currency payments weren't in the contracts.
That said, the UK has done little to ramp up our generation since this started, other than wind generation. Our residential costs have skyrocketed and we're not insulating or installing renewables at the rate we could be. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"So putin now wants unfriendly countries to pay for gas in Rubles to prop up the currency I wonder what Germany will do?
Well seems this has not gone away as both Germany and Austria have said they are preparing for gas rationing. Only first steps so far but not a good sign. On a slightly brighter note Russia now says payments in rubles could be brought in gradually
I wonder who will srt the exchange rates, if alternative currency payments weren't in the contracts.
That said, the UK has done little to ramp up our generation since this started, other than wind generation. Our residential costs have skyrocketed and we're not insulating or installing renewables at the rate we could be. "
I expect or at least hope they will come to a compromise. The report does say that it is in neither sides interest for this to go unsolved. If gas rationing does happen apparently they start with businesses to prioritise hospitals and residential areas. Not good for anyone |
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"That said, the UK has done little to ramp up our generation since this started, other than wind generation. Our residential costs have skyrocketed and we're not insulating or installing renewables at the rate we could be. "
this is correct. over the last 12 years the government could have roofed every structure in the uk with solar panels. this could've been funded by a fraction of the money which has been squandered on vanity projects by them in that period and would've created an industry employing tens of thousands. but a few back bench nimbies and holders of shares in fossil fuels, big oil, fracking etc etc chose to torpedo all renewable projects that have been proposed, choosing instead to take millions in party donations from the very gas and oil barons from the various dictatorships that hold the world markets hostage. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Google "Tony Blair energy security 2006" and listening to his bullshit about removing reliance on foreign country's hydrocarbons. Followed by term after term of consecutive governments who've failed completely to address this issue which renewables compliment resilience as it's based on the same technologies.
They blew up coal generation (rightly so) but made no provision to adopt alternatives.
It was only when Boris shit his pants over potential prosecution from the EU for failings in Carbon Dioxide reduction.
Within those years, incentives for Solar were misplaced and put money in the pockets of already wealthy people.
Just 15% of total UK roof area is enough to power this country with no fossil fuel input, backed by wind, nuclear and hydro with local in house batteries. It is yet, another serious failing of those we trust and you, and many others are about to suffer the consequences of energy supply based on 45% gas generation.
Supermarkets, petrol forecourts, schools, colleges, government and many more buildings could have all been fitted with panels. Cheaper running costs for business and government in respect to energy with significant load taken 'off' the grid, reducing demand for gas.
I am prepared, Solar is running on batteries with inverters capable of 'off grid' running. I can generate 25-30kwh/day from the roof, 3kw generator on standby with petrol and also 4x 47kg of Propane bottles with boiler conversion kit on stand-by.
I can run weeks without Grid electricity and gas, heating via Air Con from Solar.
Total cost £8500 for sysyem with 10 kwh storage - I am standing at 40 kwh, and paying for itself everytime the sun shines by giving 9 months of free hot water and electricity. I started this project 5 years ago to save money on bills, it's now taken on a more serious role at no extra cost.
What's the government done, apart from trying to sell us Heat Pumps - fuck all.
Two weeks ago, I wrote to MPs of the 4 main party's regarding power outages in respect to gas shortages and yet to have a single reply.
Trust me, black outs are coming and on top of that, energy is going to get very expensive. If you are serious about resilience, at the very least, buy a 5kw Lithium Battery and Solar Hybrid Inverter.
Even without Solar panels, you can Grid charge the battery and later add Solar to charge for free and power your house during failure.
I am happy to discuss Specs and Kit with anyone genuinely wanting info.
We are now about to suffer for allowing the addiction to cheap gas. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Tomorrow is the day will putin cut of the gas if countries dont conform?
Only time will tell most countries have a stock and might give time to switch supplies.
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The way i saw it is they either start paying in rubles tomorrow or he rips up the contracts.They need to open accounts in rubles by tomorrow. |
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"Tomorrow is the day will putin cut of the gas if countries dont conform?
Only time will tell most countries have a stock and might give time to switch supplies.
The way i saw it is they either start paying in rubles tomorrow or he rips up the contracts.They need to open accounts in rubles by tomorrow."
As I read it on the BBC the German economy minister expects the Russian govt to abide by the terms of the existing contract. Since they show no regard for international law, I very much doubt they'll be troubled by contract law |
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"BBC reports that many existing contracts are agreed in Euros and it is unclear if Russia can change them "
The way Putin operates contracts mean nothing. He will and can do as he likes, his antics in Salisbury or Ukraine show that. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Putin's announcement is for the domestic audience.
EU countries will continue to pay in Euros. "
the BBC say that a Russian bank has been left out of sanctions to provide a way for gas to be paid for. Maybe the customers pay in euro's and the bank does the conversion to rubles or something like that. That way Putin gets Rubles and looks strong to his public and the west can say they still pay in Euro's. In a way its fortunate that we are heading for spring |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
It’s only a matter of time till he loses all of his western contracts for gas anyway.
I can’t see many will be trading with his country for too much longer.
China will take full advantage of him and dictate price they pay for gas/oil.
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I don't get this at all..
I thought transactions would be paid electronically?!
How do you pay in rubles?  "
This probably explains it best.
Thanks to the sanctions, Russian firms no longer have any use for the dollar or the euro. As such, European firms will now have to find intermediaries — those that accept dollars and euros, convert them to rubles, and give them to the Europeans so that they can pay for the natural gas imports. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I don't get this at all..
I thought transactions would be paid electronically?!
How do you pay in rubles? This probably explains it best.
Thanks to the sanctions, Russian firms no longer have any use for the dollar or the euro. As such, European firms will now have to find intermediaries — those that accept dollars and euros, convert them to rubles, and give them to the Europeans so that they can pay for the natural gas imports."
That will be millions of Russian people clambering to be intermediaries then |
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"I don't get this at all..
I thought transactions would be paid electronically?!
How do you pay in rubles? This probably explains it best.
Thanks to the sanctions, Russian firms no longer have any use for the dollar or the euro. As such, European firms will now have to find intermediaries — those that accept dollars and euros, convert them to rubles, and give them to the Europeans so that they can pay for the natural gas imports.
That will be millions of Russian people clambering to be intermediaries then "
Have the sanctions ceased ? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I don't get this at all..
I thought transactions would be paid electronically?!
How do you pay in rubles? This probably explains it best.
Thanks to the sanctions, Russian firms no longer have any use for the dollar or the euro. As such, European firms will now have to find intermediaries — those that accept dollars and euros, convert them to rubles, and give them to the Europeans so that they can pay for the natural gas imports.
That will be millions of Russian people clambering to be intermediaries then "
I think its where the chinese come in and make a killing, it will also effect the dollar too as thats usually the international means of paying for fuel. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
Since sanctions were imposed, Putin has demanded that 80% of foreign gas receipts were converted into roubles. This latest action pushes this upto 100%.
Gazprombank is free of sanctions, so EU gas buyers will now have to have both a euro account and a rouble account, and the bank will convert between the two.
Russia needs hard currency to survive but playing hardball increases the risk of more EU countries turning away from Russian supply. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Whilst I understand Putin is trying to extort currency surely the buyers won’t forget in a hurry so will just plan to move away from his supply chain whatever they agree to today? Isn’t he punching his customers in the face? China won’t put all their eggs in such an unstable basket. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I don't get this at all..
I thought transactions would be paid electronically?!
How do you pay in rubles? This probably explains it best.
Thanks to the sanctions, Russian firms no longer have any use for the dollar or the euro. As such, European firms will now have to find intermediaries — those that accept dollars and euros, convert them to rubles, and give them to the Europeans so that they can pay for the natural gas imports.
That will be millions of Russian people clambering to be intermediaries then I think its where the chinese come in and make a killing, it will also effect the dollar too as thats usually the international means of paying for fuel."
Jolly good point, I could see that happening. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Tomorrow is the day will putin cut of the gas if countries dont conform?
Only time will tell most countries have a stock and might give time to switch supplies.
The way i saw it is they either start paying in rubles tomorrow or he rips up the contracts.They need to open accounts in rubles by tomorrow.
As I read it on the BBC the German economy minister expects the Russian govt to abide by the terms of the existing contract. Since they show no regard for international law, I very much doubt they'll be troubled by contract law "
You mean the same way as he's stolen 650 Aircraft now registered in Russia from Western leasing companies.
Tearing up the Cape Town Convention, he don't give a monkeys about contracts and agreements- its what works for him.. |
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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago
Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds |
"So putin now wants unfriendly countries to pay for gas in Rubles to prop up the currency I wonder what Germany will do? "
It's the gold standard already so does n't need propping up. It's not like the US and UK currencies.
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"An act of desperation to try and prop up the ruble.
Exactly but what will those dependent on the gas do, pay in rubles or go without?
There’s no date on it yet, I suspect he is trying to push it through hoping no one is going to challenge it.
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He said 1st April in a press conference yesterday. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"We wil never run out of shit and shit produces methane .maby if we use the gas then the water companies will stop pumping shit into the rivers"
Used to run a sewage gas generation plant - 450,000 people shittin down the pan used to generate 500kw per hour 24 hours a day, half a megawatt.
Not really enough to run a village but every little helps. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Might be worth looking for a conversion kit for your boilers from methane LPG.
Got one for mine for £15 and ready along with 4x 47kg LPG gas bottles and regulator, like what's on back of static caravans.
If needed to switch, it's 45 minutes to convert the boiler and just need some 22mm copper pipe running from downstairs to upstairs where boiler is. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Might be worth looking for a conversion kit for your boilers from methane LPG.
Got one for mine for £15 and ready along with 4x 47kg LPG gas bottles and regulator, like what's on back of static caravans.
If needed to switch, it's 45 minutes to convert the boiler and just need some 22mm copper pipe running from downstairs to upstairs where boiler is."
So where do you get methane lpg and how much for a 47kg refill?
Caravans normally use propane in 47kg bottles |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Think the EU, the UK, the BBC and many more need to.. WAKE UP!!
Rules and contract law went out the window on 23rd March. He'll do what helps the end goal and power cuts across Europe is perfect for maximum pain induced.. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Think the EU, the UK, the BBC and many more need to.. WAKE UP!!
Rules and contract law went out the window on 23rd March. He'll do what helps the end goal and power cuts across Europe is perfect for maximum pain induced.."
The uk needs to wake up and stop this net zero shite and get fracking and also producing more oil until we can build nuclear power stations to run along side solar, wind and tidle
And stop these extinction rebellion tossers from holding us back.
In the meantime have been through power cuts once van do it again |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Franking won't help, taking gas out the electricity mix is best first base.
Without gas being burnt for electricity, we'd stand a chance of having enough from the Sea.
As someone who lives two miles from earthquake causing shitehole Quadrilla created. It should remain shut. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Franking won't help, taking gas out the electricity mix is best first base.
Without gas being burnt for electricity, we'd stand a chance of having enough from the Sea.
As someone who lives two miles from earthquake causing shitehole Quadrilla created. It should remain shut."
well solar and wind are not going to do it either.
Yes I know you have a setup but imagine trying to power a whole country with it not going to happen.
You would need fields and fields of solare panels covering vast areas of countryside every building would have to have then on roofs not counting highrise because theres not enough surface area to power a whole building and not storage big enough.
nuclear will take too long to build and anyways we would still need a backup sytem in place.
We are decades away from living the Utopian dream of 100% clean cheap energy otherwise china would have already done it.
The UK is too small and in the wrong place on the plannet for the sunshine required.
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
100 lines -
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Franking won't help, taking gas out the electricity mix is best first base.
Without gas being burnt for electricity, we'd stand a chance of having enough from the Sea.
As someone who lives two miles from earthquake causing shitehole Quadrilla created. It should remain shut.
well solar and wind are not going to do it either.
Yes I know you have a setup but imagine trying to power a whole country with it not going to happen.
You would need fields and fields of solare panels covering vast areas of countryside every building would have to have then on roofs not counting highrise because theres not enough surface area to power a whole building and not storage big enough.
nuclear will take too long to build and anyways we would still need a backup sytem in place.
We are decades away from living the Utopian dream of 100% clean cheap energy otherwise china would have already done it.
The UK is too small and in the wrong place on the plannet for the sunshine required.
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Believe me:
Solar, Batteries and 2x 250 litre Hot Water tanks, 2x Air Conditioners save me 85%-90% of the total energy input to my property that I would normally use from the Mains. The main benefit being, it is not energy Subject to market forces and free every time the Sun rises.
That's Hot Water, Heating and Power and soon, car charging.
Is also means apart from 15% in winter from Mains Gas and Grid Electricity, that my Annual demand on Gas supply resources itself for the boiler and gas fired electric is minimal.
One good sunny day will give me 3 days of power and Hot Water.
Multiply this by millions of homes, means building less windmills, less Solar Farms and less nuclear.
All it takes is a properly run "help to buy scheme" where installation is offset against a cheaper rate of electricity to encourage max use of it until it is paid for.
Replacement of one Hydrocarbon source for another will not fix Climate Change. This might be the kick up the backsides people need to invest and benefit.
Even my mother has started to ask and sat down with a calculator, a 3kw system and 5kw battery will remove her demand from the Mains and at the same time save her £900 a year - I'm picking her panels up in two weeks.
Because my reliance on gas is so low, I can and will be justifying switching completely to LPG as as long as I can get bottles changed or take portable refillable bottles used in motorhomes to a petrol station, I have gas heating available with ZERO demand on Natural Gas supplies. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
I accept high-rises are an issue but forcing landlords with buildings with large roof areas to install Solar by means of a 'roof tax' that's rebated when panels are installed and prevent many beautiful green fields being covered with panels.
There is enough roofspace available without turning our green areas into eyesores.
These can support the high rises and other dwellings unsuitable for Solar while those that can, do so.
Think in WW2 they called it Dig for Victory. Unless we help ourselves..
Was that Franking or Fracking.. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I accept high-rises are an issue but forcing landlords with buildings with large roof areas to install Solar by means of a 'roof tax' that's rebated when panels are installed and prevent many beautiful green fields being covered with panels.
There is enough roofspace available without turning our green areas into eyesores.
These can support the high rises and other dwellings unsuitable for Solar while those that can, do so.
Think in WW2 they called it Dig for Victory. Unless we help ourselves..
Was that Franking or Fracking.."
This will probably never happen nice idea though.
But meanwhile people cannot afford any of the kit to set this up and you know as well as I do the less electric we use from the power grid the higher they will price it |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
In which case, write to your MP and ask them to support a Government backed - Help to Buy scheme that works for anyone to use.
Right now, the reason electricity is so highly priced is because 45% is being generated from very expensive gas, remove that, and prices will fall.
Go on, write to your MPs. You never know, we might just make a difference.. I have. |
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"I accept high-rises are an issue but forcing landlords with buildings with large roof areas to install Solar by means of a 'roof tax' that's rebated when panels are installed and prevent many beautiful green fields being covered with panels.
There is enough roofspace available without turning our green areas into eyesores.
These can support the high rises and other dwellings unsuitable for Solar while those that can, do so.
Think in WW2 they called it Dig for Victory. Unless we help ourselves..
Was that Franking or Fracking.."
Stick wind turbines on high rises  |
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