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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
Nobody knows the end point in Putin's head, he could be going for outright domination, he could be ready to pause and accept a cease fire based on demands around a new government and no Nato or EU membership.
I feel there is a reality being overlooked in this war, the Ukrainians are fighting bravely and subjecting the Russian troops to a bloody nose. However, the idea an opposing army can walk into such a big country and completely take it over in a few days is inconceivable and Putin would know this.
He is causing devastation, crippling factories, food and logistic chains, peoples homes, this tactic is so dirty it must have been planned.
What is behind this tactic, overall sovereignty of Ukraine or demoralising the Ukrainians enough to accept terms?
Would the latter give him a bargaining tool with the West? Could he ask the west to Push Zelensky into a deal and too step down, saving what is left of his country? Would conditions that sanctions are lifted and the West are to persuade Zelensky to step down, be a small price to pay in the eyes of the West?
I think Macron and co would jump at that, not sure the Ukrainians would though, they are a brave nation and have already lost so much.
What is the strategy? |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Nobody knows the end point in Putin's head, he could be going for outright domination, he could be ready to pause and accept a cease fire based on demands around a new government and no Nato or EU membership.
I feel there is a reality being overlooked in this war, the Ukrainians are fighting bravely and subjecting the Russian troops to a bloody nose. However, the idea an opposing army can walk into such a big country and completely take it over in a few days is inconceivable and Putin would know this.
He is causing devastation, crippling factories, food and logistic chains, peoples homes, this tactic is so dirty it must have been planned.
What is behind this tactic, overall sovereignty of Ukraine or demoralising the Ukrainians enough to accept terms?
Would the latter give him a bargaining tool with the West? Could he ask the west to Push Zelensky into a deal and too step down, saving what is left of his country? Would conditions that sanctions are lifted and the West are to persuade Zelensky to step down, be a small price to pay in the eyes of the West?
I think Macron and co would jump at that, not sure the Ukrainians would though, they are a brave nation and have already lost so much.
What is the strategy? "
Do you think he will stop ?
You do know he has replaced 2 mayors so far yes ? His plane is a total takeover nothing less will do.
If he convinced the Ukrainian president to step down they will have already lost.
Putin does not want compromises he wants victory.
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Nobody knows the end point in Putin's head, he could be going for outright domination, he could be ready to pause and accept a cease fire based on demands around a new government and no Nato or EU membership.
I feel there is a reality being overlooked in this war, the Ukrainians are fighting bravely and subjecting the Russian troops to a bloody nose. However, the idea an opposing army can walk into such a big country and completely take it over in a few days is inconceivable and Putin would know this.
He is causing devastation, crippling factories, food and logistic chains, peoples homes, this tactic is so dirty it must have been planned.
What is behind this tactic, overall sovereignty of Ukraine or demoralising the Ukrainians enough to accept terms?
Would the latter give him a bargaining tool with the West? Could he ask the west to Push Zelensky into a deal and too step down, saving what is left of his country? Would conditions that sanctions are lifted and the West are to persuade Zelensky to step down, be a small price to pay in the eyes of the West?
I think Macron and co would jump at that, not sure the Ukrainians would though, they are a brave nation and have already lost so much.
What is the strategy?
Do you think he will stop ?
You do know he has replaced 2 mayors so far yes ? His plane is a total takeover nothing less will do.
If he convinced the Ukrainian president to step down they will have already lost.
Putin does not want compromises he wants victory.
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Would Zelensky stepping down be seen as a loss?
Would it play into the special operations fallacy that Putin is pedalling in Russia?
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"I think he has a death wish and he's just intent on pushing the world to fight back so he can press the button. "
His posturing and threats of retaliation to any country who interferes is brinkmanship, would he go that one step to far, or be allowed too? I don't think he would or be allowed too. Having written that I think I'm more in hope he wont, than trust he wont.... |
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over a year ago
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You obviously haven’t seen the overconfidence of the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia then.Every major power often deludes itself in thinking it could easily walk over one smaller.
Putins aim is to annex the east and puppet the west before moving on other countries around the black sea. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"You obviously haven’t seen the overconfidence of the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia then.Every major power often deludes itself in thinking it could easily walk over one smaller.
Putins aim is to annex the east and puppet the west before moving on other countries around the black sea."
The Russians experience of war you mention is why I said in the OP that Putin would know it is not as simple as marching into a country and taking it over.
Do you think he has the assets to take on more war as you mention? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"You obviously haven’t seen the overconfidence of the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia then.Every major power often deludes itself in thinking it could easily walk over one smaller.
Putins aim is to annex the east and puppet the west before moving on other countries around the black sea.
The Russians experience of war you mention is why I said in the OP that Putin would know it is not as simple as marching into a country and taking it over.
Do you think he has the assets to take on more war as you mention? "
but he is that deluded by his total power over russia that he believes his own propaganda and his inner circle are that terified to say no and your wrong he heres what he wants to here . he truely though his army would walk into Ukraine with minimal resistance from a few hardline followers of zelinski then the rest of the country would welcome them with open arms as this is hwat his advisors had been telling him since 2014 . as has been seen his forces met the exact opposite instead they found a well equipped and trained clearly motivated Ukrainian army ready to defend their land to the death who have quickly and effectively wrecked his advance forces hence the move to plan A in the Russian military playbook rubblisation of the territory so that destroy step by step the infastructure and ability to be a modern country he will then negotiate his way out and claim victory |
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"You obviously haven’t seen the overconfidence of the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia then.Every major power often deludes itself in thinking it could easily walk over one smaller.
Putins aim is to annex the east and puppet the west before moving on other countries around the black sea.
The Russians experience of war you mention is why I said in the OP that Putin would know it is not as simple as marching into a country and taking it over.
Do you think he has the assets to take on more war as you mention? "
Its complicated I think there is a level of self delusion believing the enemy to him would just give up.Also wants the world to marvel at Russian strength to keep his people in check.
Depends on the target but I imagine to sustain a war yes but to win it I don’t know Turkey will be getting involved at that point and Isreal as well.Doubt he will be able to take on more at one time without begging for disaster. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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he wrongly believed selinsky and his govt were weak and would run away leaving the army to capitulate they have done the exact opposite stood the thier ground and if anything bolstered the morale of his people with his defiant addresses to his people .he has also come up against a well trained well equipped and motivated Ukrainian army that have avoided large setpiece battles instead choosing to use the letal javelin and other manpack weapons to pick off tanks and other afvs at will nor has he obtained complete air superiority his airforce has taken a battering preventing him using air mobility to outflank the defenders .hence the new tactic of raising crimea to the ground before suing for peace and claiming victory |
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Just seen the most bizarre video. Red Square press interviews protestor bang two cops drag her away before she says two words. Press just left there aghast.
Next minute another lady comes along starts to harangue the press saying they do not show both sides of the argu…… bang that’s as much as she says as a couple of more cops drag her off as well. They must have thought she was a demonstrator as well. It was like a sketch.
It’s like the old Commie times never left. And too think some no marks hark back to the commie days. |
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over a year ago
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"Just seen the most bizarre video. Red Square press interviews protestor bang two cops drag her away before she says two words. Press just left there aghast.
Next minute another lady comes along starts to harangue the press saying they do not show both sides of the argu…… bang that’s as much as she says as a couple of more cops drag her off as well. They must have thought she was a demonstrator as well. It was like a sketch.
It’s like the old Commie times never left. And too think some no marks hark back to the commie days. "
There's a video of a woman holding up a blank piece of paper and the police take her away.  |
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"Just seen the most bizarre video. Red Square press interviews protestor bang two cops drag her away before she says two words. Press just left there aghast.
Next minute another lady comes along starts to harangue the press saying they do not show both sides of the argu…… bang that’s as much as she says as a couple of more cops drag her off as well. They must have thought she was a demonstrator as well. It was like a sketch.
It’s like the old Commie times never left. And too think some no marks hark back to the commie days. "
I think they treat their protesters a bit better, I don't see any batons across heads or chemicals sprayed at the protesters |
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"Just seen the most bizarre video. Red Square press interviews protestor bang two cops drag her away before she says two words. Press just left there aghast.
Next minute another lady comes along starts to harangue the press saying they do not show both sides of the argu…… bang that’s as much as she says as a couple of more cops drag her off as well. They must have thought she was a demonstrator as well. It was like a sketch.
It’s like the old Commie times never left. And too think some no marks hark back to the commie days.
I think they treat their protesters a bit better, I don't see any batons across heads or chemicals sprayed at the protesters "
“ As riot police, OMON often uses special equipment termed riot gear to help protect themselves and attack others. Riot gear typically includes personal armor, batons, riot and tactical shields, and riot helmets. OMON also deploys specialized less-than-lethal weapons, such as water cannon, pepper spray, tear gas, sponge grenades, pistols, rifles, and shotguns which fire rubber bullets, bean bag rounds, stun grenades, and Long Range Acoustic Devices”
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Nobody knows the end point in Putin's head, he could be going for outright domination, he could be ready to pause and accept a cease fire based on demands around a new government and no Nato or EU membership.
I feel there is a reality being overlooked in this war, the Ukrainians are fighting bravely and subjecting the Russian troops to a bloody nose. However, the idea an opposing army can walk into such a big country and completely take it over in a few days is inconceivable and Putin would know this.
He is causing devastation, crippling factories, food and logistic chains, peoples homes, this tactic is so dirty it must have been planned.
What is behind this tactic, overall sovereignty of Ukraine or demoralising the Ukrainians enough to accept terms?
Would the latter give him a bargaining tool with the West? Could he ask the west to Push Zelensky into a deal and too step down, saving what is left of his country? Would conditions that sanctions are lifted and the West are to persuade Zelensky to step down, be a small price to pay in the eyes of the West?
I think Macron and co would jump at that, not sure the Ukrainians would though, they are a brave nation and have already lost so much.
What is the strategy? "
It's simple...
"Putin the Great"..
The man that scorched the earth to restore the good old, grand old USSR - just as Catherine the Great, Tzar Peter the Great (who's statue is in his office) rebuilt the Russian Empire.
Over time, it retracts then expands, looks like we're in a time of expansion again.
He wants to put right the "Greatest Russian catastrophe of history".
Khrushchev's granddaughter was on radio this morning. Catherine the Great enveloped the most amount of land for the lowest loss of blood.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Nobody knows the end point in Putin's head, he could be going for outright domination, he could be ready to pause and accept a cease fire based on demands around a new government and no Nato or EU membership.
I feel there is a reality being overlooked in this war, the Ukrainians are fighting bravely and subjecting the Russian troops to a bloody nose. However, the idea an opposing army can walk into such a big country and completely take it over in a few days is inconceivable and Putin would know this.
He is causing devastation, crippling factories, food and logistic chains, peoples homes, this tactic is so dirty it must have been planned.
What is behind this tactic, overall sovereignty of Ukraine or demoralising the Ukrainians enough to accept terms?
Would the latter give him a bargaining tool with the West? Could he ask the west to Push Zelensky into a deal and too step down, saving what is left of his country? Would conditions that sanctions are lifted and the West are to persuade Zelensky to step down, be a small price to pay in the eyes of the West?
I think Macron and co would jump at that, not sure the Ukrainians would though, they are a brave nation and have already lost so much.
What is the strategy? "
A “greater Russia” … why do you think he will stop at Ukraine when Moldova next door isn’t a NATO member and has an ethnic Russian breakaway republic….
Moldova, Georgia, Armenia will all be next… |
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over a year ago
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"Nobody knows the end point in Putin's head, he could be going for outright domination, he could be ready to pause and accept a cease fire based on demands around a new government and no Nato or EU membership.
I feel there is a reality being overlooked in this war, the Ukrainians are fighting bravely and subjecting the Russian troops to a bloody nose. However, the idea an opposing army can walk into such a big country and completely take it over in a few days is inconceivable and Putin would know this.
He is causing devastation, crippling factories, food and logistic chains, peoples homes, this tactic is so dirty it must have been planned.
What is behind this tactic, overall sovereignty of Ukraine or demoralising the Ukrainians enough to accept terms?
Would the latter give him a bargaining tool with the West? Could he ask the west to Push Zelensky into a deal and too step down, saving what is left of his country? Would conditions that sanctions are lifted and the West are to persuade Zelensky to step down, be a small price to pay in the eyes of the West?
I think Macron and co would jump at that, not sure the Ukrainians would though, they are a brave nation and have already lost so much.
What is the strategy?
A “greater Russia” … why do you think he will stop at Ukraine when Moldova next door isn’t a NATO member and has an ethnic Russian breakaway republic….
Moldova, Georgia, Armenia will all be next…"
Agree aye will tale him years he may not have if you believe those rumours but think it likely Russia wants to improve its access to the black sea.Doubt Armenia will be a target more likely to see its alliance be turned into being a puppet,Azerbaijan's the more likely target. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Nobody knows the end point in Putin's head, he could be going for outright domination, he could be ready to pause and accept a cease fire based on demands around a new government and no Nato or EU membership.
I feel there is a reality being overlooked in this war, the Ukrainians are fighting bravely and subjecting the Russian troops to a bloody nose. However, the idea an opposing army can walk into such a big country and completely take it over in a few days is inconceivable and Putin would know this.
He is causing devastation, crippling factories, food and logistic chains, peoples homes, this tactic is so dirty it must have been planned.
What is behind this tactic, overall sovereignty of Ukraine or demoralising the Ukrainians enough to accept terms?
Would the latter give him a bargaining tool with the West? Could he ask the west to Push Zelensky into a deal and too step down, saving what is left of his country? Would conditions that sanctions are lifted and the West are to persuade Zelensky to step down, be a small price to pay in the eyes of the West?
I think Macron and co would jump at that, not sure the Ukrainians would though, they are a brave nation and have already lost so much.
What is the strategy?
A “greater Russia” … why do you think he will stop at Ukraine when Moldova next door isn’t a NATO member and has an ethnic Russian breakaway republic….
Moldova, Georgia, Armenia will all be next…"
I'm not convinced he has the capabilities. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia didn't have all the resources they need for prolonged offensives.
It is interesting to hear other opinions on this, because as far as I know there isn't a plan that is verified. Have I missed something? |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
I think his resources are running out, he didn't expect the waste so much for so little.
If it doesn't end up the cheap, quick and easy (nuclear) option and it gets to an end point this time.
The rest of the World needs to be on guard for the Second Round as he'll retreat, re arm and use lessons learnt and come back again, harder.
WW1 Germany was pushed back, WW2 was based on industrial re-arming and, training and preparation 20yrs later.
Corbyn wanted Global Nuclear Disarmament, that's great if you can trust your opponents. The last 30yrs has seen our Forces cut to the bone with the excuse the next conflict won't be bombs and bullets.
We need to WAKE UP. |
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
Putin with China wants a new world order and they occupy the biggest and central land mass. They expect a sphere of influence around them and have support from as far as Africa, South America and India.
Putin wants to challenge NATO and knock us onto a back foot.
This is not going to go and sadly we will see a series of wars and lose of economic clout over the next twenty years.
A miracle night though help if the Russians and Chinese do succumb to less authoritarian leaders. |
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Part of Putin's strategy could even be to trigger mass refugee movements to the west, it's going to potentially destabilise NATO and EU countries especially those close to the border, or at least put them under considerable strain. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Putin with China wants a new world order and they occupy the biggest and central land mass. They expect a sphere of influence around them and have support from as far as Africa, South America and India.
Putin wants to challenge NATO and knock us onto a back foot.
This is not going to go and sadly we will see a series of wars and lose of economic clout over the next twenty years.
A miracle night though help if the Russians and Chinese do succumb to less authoritarian leaders."
This war could bring an end to Putin's reign, I don't imagine he has years to attack, undermine or play out his plans of any greater Russia. He has hopefully rattled the cage of the younger generations and the powerful within Russia, the way he handles a withdrawal will be the hardest thing he has had to do yet, and hopefully the last thing he does on a national stage. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
Paisley |
I think it’s awful what he’s doing. This is not some computer game, this is reality. Civilians are being killed needlessly and for what? Some guy’s ego?
Hopefully the sanctions against Russia will have an impact.
In the meantime the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier is being stocked up with munitions. It’s a worrying time for many.
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Putin wrongly assumed Ukraine would roll over and part 1 of his plan would be relatively straight forward. Part 2 of his plan was to rebuild the Russian empire.
Putins biggest mistake was not foreseeing the response from the majority of the rest of the world and the impact it will have on his country. He’s single handily ruined the Russian economy for decades to come and his people will suffer. All the things and freedoms that Russians took for granted, foreign travel, luxury western goods etc, have become a memory. The Russian population will realise their roubles are worthless outside their country and that’s why putin has signed his own death certificate. Slowly the Russian population will turn on him. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Putin wrongly assumed Ukraine would roll over and part 1 of his plan would be relatively straight forward. Part 2 of his plan was to rebuild the Russian empire.
Putins biggest mistake was not foreseeing the response from the majority of the rest of the world and the impact it will have on his country. He’s single handily ruined the Russian economy for decades to come and his people will suffer. All the things and freedoms that Russians took for granted, foreign travel, luxury western goods etc, have become a memory. The Russian population will realise their roubles are worthless outside their country and that’s why putin has signed his own death certificate. Slowly the Russian population will turn on him."
This is my hope too  |
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"Putin wrongly assumed Ukraine would roll over and part 1 of his plan would be relatively straight forward. Part 2 of his plan was to rebuild the Russian empire.
Putins biggest mistake was not foreseeing the response from the majority of the rest of the world and the impact it will have on his country. He’s single handily ruined the Russian economy for decades to come and his people will suffer. All the things and freedoms that Russians took for granted, foreign travel, luxury western goods etc, have become a memory. The Russian population will realise their roubles are worthless outside their country and that’s why putin has signed his own death certificate. Slowly the Russian population will turn on him."
Hope so!! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Not read whole thread so someone may have already raised this...
Is Putin an idiot? Hasn’t he studied history. Napoleon and Hitler learned that you do not strike eastward across Ukraine. Especially not in Spring/Autumn because of...mud!
It could just be western/Ukrainian propaganda but there is so much footage of Russian tanks stuck in mud and abandoned by their crews. Not just individual tanks either but while squadrons of T90s!
Their strategists must have been on the vodka too much!
They even have a name for it: Rasputitsa.
A Russian term for two seasons of the year, spring and autumn, when travel on unpaved roads or across country becomes difficult, owing to muddy conditions from rain or melting snow.
This shambles is:
a) Making Putin look bad and weak (therefore potentially desperate and more dangerous)
b) Breaking the myth of the might of the Russian army who look completely inept! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not read whole thread so someone may have already raised this...
Is Putin an idiot? Hasn’t he studied history. Napoleon and Hitler learned that you do not strike eastward across Ukraine. Especially not in Spring/Autumn because of...mud!
It could just be western/Ukrainian propaganda but there is so much footage of Russian tanks stuck in mud and abandoned by their crews. Not just individual tanks either but while squadrons of T90s!
Their strategists must have been on the vodka too much!
They even have a name for it: Rasputitsa.
A Russian term for two seasons of the year, spring and autumn, when travel on unpaved roads or across country becomes difficult, owing to muddy conditions from rain or melting snow.
This shambles is:
a) Making Putin look bad and weak (therefore potentially desperate and more dangerous)
b) Breaking the myth of the might of the Russian army who look completely inept!"
Just to add, not sure if there are any tankers or other branch military on this thread but if so...
Q. Always assumed, until now, that the whole point if tanks tracks was to avoid problems like deep mud?
I know the WW2 German tanks initially had tracks that were too narrow and got bogged down while Soviet T34s had wide tracks that different. So surely the Russians know this right?
Then again this *could* be all about running out of fuel? |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Not read whole thread so someone may have already raised this...
Is Putin an idiot? Hasn’t he studied history. Napoleon and Hitler learned that you do not strike eastward across Ukraine. Especially not in Spring/Autumn because of...mud!
It could just be western/Ukrainian propaganda but there is so much footage of Russian tanks stuck in mud and abandoned by their crews. Not just individual tanks either but while squadrons of T90s!
Their strategists must have been on the vodka too much!
They even have a name for it: Rasputitsa.
A Russian term for two seasons of the year, spring and autumn, when travel on unpaved roads or across country becomes difficult, owing to muddy conditions from rain or melting snow.
This shambles is:
a) Making Putin look bad and weak (therefore potentially desperate and more dangerous)
b) Breaking the myth of the might of the Russian army who look completely inept!"
Hopefully he's not keeping the "real" army in reserve to deal with NATO forces while sending the inexperienced kids to the slaughter in Ukraine ? |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not read whole thread so someone may have already raised this...
Is Putin an idiot? Hasn’t he studied history. Napoleon and Hitler learned that you do not strike eastward across Ukraine. Especially not in Spring/Autumn because of...mud!
It could just be western/Ukrainian propaganda but there is so much footage of Russian tanks stuck in mud and abandoned by their crews. Not just individual tanks either but while squadrons of T90s!
Their strategists must have been on the vodka too much!
They even have a name for it: Rasputitsa.
A Russian term for two seasons of the year, spring and autumn, when travel on unpaved roads or across country becomes difficult, owing to muddy conditions from rain or melting snow.
This shambles is:
a) Making Putin look bad and weak (therefore potentially desperate and more dangerous)
b) Breaking the myth of the might of the Russian army who look completely inept!
Hopefully he's not keeping the "real" army in reserve to deal with NATO forces while sending the inexperienced kids to the slaughter in Ukraine ?"
I that would be giving hime too much credit. The brinkmanship worked on our press, which fuels the fears of his anger. I think his biggest challenge now is reversing out with the propaganda he needs to keep him in power.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Putin wrongly assumed Ukraine would roll over and part 1 of his plan would be relatively straight forward. Part 2 of his plan was to rebuild the Russian empire.
Putins biggest mistake was not foreseeing the response from the majority of the rest of the world and the impact it will have on his country. He’s single handily ruined the Russian economy for decades to come and his people will suffer. All the things and freedoms that Russians took for granted, foreign travel, luxury western goods etc, have become a memory. The Russian population will realise their roubles are worthless outside their country and that’s why putin has signed his own death certificate. Slowly the Russian population will turn on him."
I agree with you on his mistakes on judging both the Ukraine and West’s response.
I s ask so sincerely hope you’re correct in all the possible developments . My worry is the statistic quoted that 75% of Russians support him due to years of being spoon fed propaganda. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Putin wrongly assumed Ukraine would roll over and part 1 of his plan would be relatively straight forward. Part 2 of his plan was to rebuild the Russian empire.
Putins biggest mistake was not foreseeing the response from the majority of the rest of the world and the impact it will have on his country. He’s single handily ruined the Russian economy for decades to come and his people will suffer. All the things and freedoms that Russians took for granted, foreign travel, luxury western goods etc, have become a memory. The Russian population will realise their roubles are worthless outside their country and that’s why putin has signed his own death certificate. Slowly the Russian population will turn on him.
I agree with you on his mistakes on judging both the Ukraine and West’s response.
I s ask so sincerely hope you’re correct in all the possible developments . My worry is the statistic quoted that 75% of Russians support him due to years of being spoon fed propaganda. "
lets see how many support him when the dead and wounded start to come home no amount of propaganda can hide mutilated sons brothers and fathers walking the streets filling the hospitals etc the truth will slowly come out
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"Putin wrongly assumed Ukraine would roll over and part 1 of his plan would be relatively straight forward. Part 2 of his plan was to rebuild the Russian empire.
Putins biggest mistake was not foreseeing the response from the majority of the rest of the world and the impact it will have on his country. He’s single handily ruined the Russian economy for decades to come and his people will suffer. All the things and freedoms that Russians took for granted, foreign travel, luxury western goods etc, have become a memory. The Russian population will realise their roubles are worthless outside their country and that’s why putin has signed his own death certificate. Slowly the Russian population will turn on him.
I agree with you on his mistakes on judging both the Ukraine and West’s response.
I s ask so sincerely hope you’re correct in all the possible developments . My worry is the statistic quoted that 75% of Russians support him due to years of being spoon fed propaganda. lets see how many support him when the dead and wounded start to come home no amount of propaganda can hide mutilated sons brothers and fathers walking the streets filling the hospitals etc the truth will slowly come out
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The Russian wounded are not being treated at home, they're mainly in Belarus and you can bet that before they're allowed anywhere near their homes on rehabilitation they'll be fully 'on message'.. |
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"Putin wrongly assumed Ukraine would roll over and part 1 of his plan would be relatively straight forward. Part 2 of his plan was to rebuild the Russian empire.
Putins biggest mistake was not foreseeing the response from the majority of the rest of the world and the impact it will have on his country. He’s single handily ruined the Russian economy for decades to come and his people will suffer. All the things and freedoms that Russians took for granted, foreign travel, luxury western goods etc, have become a memory. The Russian population will realise their roubles are worthless outside their country and that’s why putin has signed his own death certificate. Slowly the Russian population will turn on him.
I agree with you on his mistakes on judging both the Ukraine and West’s response.
I s ask so sincerely hope you’re correct in all the possible developments . My worry is the statistic quoted that 75% of Russians support him due to years of being spoon fed propaganda. lets see how many support him when the dead and wounded start to come home no amount of propaganda can hide mutilated sons brothers and fathers walking the streets filling the hospitals etc the truth will slowly come out
The Russian wounded are not being treated at home, they're mainly in Belarus and you can bet that before they're allowed anywhere near their homes on rehabilitation they'll be fully 'on message'.."
If they make it home!! |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Putin wrongly assumed Ukraine would roll over and part 1 of his plan would be relatively straight forward. Part 2 of his plan was to rebuild the Russian empire.
Putins biggest mistake was not foreseeing the response from the majority of the rest of the world and the impact it will have on his country. He’s single handily ruined the Russian economy for decades to come and his people will suffer. All the things and freedoms that Russians took for granted, foreign travel, luxury western goods etc, have become a memory. The Russian population will realise their roubles are worthless outside their country and that’s why putin has signed his own death certificate. Slowly the Russian population will turn on him.
I agree with you on his mistakes on judging both the Ukraine and West’s response.
I s ask so sincerely hope you’re correct in all the possible developments . My worry is the statistic quoted that 75% of Russians support him due to years of being spoon fed propaganda. lets see how many support him when the dead and wounded start to come home no amount of propaganda can hide mutilated sons brothers and fathers walking the streets filling the hospitals etc the truth will slowly come out
The Russian wounded are not being treated at home, they're mainly in Belarus and you can bet that before they're allowed anywhere near their homes on rehabilitation they'll be fully 'on message'..
If they make it home!!"
Crazy isn't it! Sacrifice of life to pamper to the emperors wishes.... Who will tell him he his now naked? |
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His strategy is to make a stand against the US via the taking of Ukraine either by complete occupation or by forcing the Ukraine to make a deal to remain neutral. He will also use it as a bargaining chip with the US and nato, either to do better than Gorbachev and get nato to agree to no more expansion on paper or to propose a new alliance that replaces Nato and includes Russia as a member.
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Putin wants his legacy to be showing the world a strong Russia. In Ukraine he wants total capitulation and is prepared to literally bomb people out of the area they occupy in order to achieve this. The initial short term goals are the eastern coastline so he can link Crimea with the Donbas and Luhansk regions. |
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"You obviously haven’t seen the overconfidence of the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia then.Every major power often deludes itself in thinking it could easily walk over one smaller.
Putins aim is to annex the east and puppet the west before moving on other countries around the black sea."
And look at how Russia responded to the resistance in Chechnya. Grozny was flattened before Russian troops went in second time. Makes you worry about what else is going to happen in Ukraine! |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"Putin wants his legacy to be showing the world a strong Russia. In Ukraine he wants total capitulation and is prepared to literally bomb people out of the area they occupy in order to achieve this. The initial short term goals are the eastern coastline so he can link Crimea with the Donbas and Luhansk regions."
Don't understand why his shiny new road and rail bridge is still standing.. knock that out, that will give Russia a headache. |
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"I think he has a death wish and he's just intent on pushing the world to fight back so he can press the button. "
He can come see me if he has a death wish and I would gladly grant it in the most painful and humiliating way that I could think of! |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"I think he has a death wish and he's just intent on pushing the world to fight back so he can press the button.
He can come see me if he has a death wish and I would gladly grant it in the most painful and humiliating way that I could think of!"
I’m with you but would rather a swift bullet to the back of the head just in case some doo goody wants to give him a fair trial  |
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