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Just what the world needs right now to major power's bickering.
But I do think there's an element of truth.
Johnson likes to talk the talk.
I fear we are rapidly losing our credibility on a world stage. |
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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago
blackpool/preston/normandy france |
Britain has had no credibility for a long time and even more so since Boris and his hangers on got into power. With a major war going on and serious decisions to be made, what did Boris do this week? He went to Birkenhead for a photo opportunity to get a hard hat and hi viz jacket to make a promise for funding of the ship building industry, which we all know will never happen. He is a disgrace in every way |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Correction the French Republic is criticising the United Kingdom as they always will do at any opportunity no matter how true.It is the way of the French and always will be they hate seeing us as an equal.
Don’t deny the validity of the criticism though certainly little action on our part needs to be more.Some money needs to be directed towards aid for the Ukrainians starving from Russian Aggression. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
Macron is just grandstanding and making calls to Putin that he knows will go nowhere.
He is just pumping his chest out trying to get his ratings up for the French elections.
He knows that no amount of taking to Putin will make any difference at all.
But have to agree our foreign office has really fucked the effort up they should have been on the ball from the start.
They had weeks of early warnings of what was most likely to happen and should have had offices set up in Calais and Paris right at the start and people to help out with forms ect.
These are not economic migrants they want to return as soon a they can.
Patel should be so embarrassed to stand there spouting what they are gong to do, it should have already been done  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Okay let's see who's talking and who's not here:
Macron is talking to Putin so Macron is talking
So therefore Putin is talking to Macron so Putin is talking
Biden isn't talking
Johnson isn't talking
Germany aren't talking etc etc
Now who's not listening |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Okay let's see who's talking and who's not here:
Macron is talking to Putin so Macron is talking
So therefore Putin is talking to Macron so Putin is talking
Biden isn't talking
Johnson isn't talking
Germany aren't talking etc etc
Now who's not listening"
How do you know this ? Are you privy to the conversations between countries?
Just because macaroon publicises the fact that he keeps calling Putin does not mean that anyone else has not tried.
Putin was seen saying some time again that macaron had been torturing him for hours on the phone.
The words were sanitised in the translation by the interpreter when it was translated for the western news but a Russian speaker picked it up.
He is not listening has no intention of listening to anyone from the west.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Okay let's see who's talking and who's not here:
Macron is talking to Putin so Macron is talking
So therefore Putin is talking to Macron so Putin is talking
Biden isn't talking
Johnson isn't talking
Germany aren't talking etc etc
Now who's not listening
How do you know this ? Are you privy to the conversations between countries?
Just because macaroon publicises the fact that he keeps calling Putin does not mean that anyone else has not tried.
Putin was seen saying some time again that macaron had been torturing him for hours on the phone.
The words were sanitised in the translation by the interpreter when it was translated for the western news but a Russian speaker picked it up.
He is not listening has no intention of listening to anyone from the west.
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Well I know that the US have said they won't talk to Russia unless the issue of NATO membership for Ukraine is off the table
So since this is the major reason for the invasion (from the Russian perspective) why would Russia agree to talks without this ON the table
The US and the others need to discuss the issue of NATO membership with Russia. Until they do nothing will change and this conflict will drag on for years.
Diplomacy is the only way out of this imo |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Okay let's see who's talking and who's not here:
Macron is talking to Putin so Macron is talking
So therefore Putin is talking to Macron so Putin is talking
Biden isn't talking
Johnson isn't talking
Germany aren't talking etc etc
Now who's not listening
How do you know this ? Are you privy to the conversations between countries?
Just because macaroon publicises the fact that he keeps calling Putin does not mean that anyone else has not tried.
Putin was seen saying some time again that macaron had been torturing him for hours on the phone.
The words were sanitised in the translation by the interpreter when it was translated for the western news but a Russian speaker picked it up.
He is not listening has no intention of listening to anyone from the west.
Well I know that the US have said they won't talk to Russia unless the issue of NATO membership for Ukraine is off the table
So since this is the major reason for the invasion (from the Russian perspective) why would Russia agree to talks without this ON the table
The US and the others need to discuss the issue of NATO membership with Russia. Until they do nothing will change and this conflict will drag on for years.
Diplomacy is the only way out of this imo"
It might be but I don’t see this happening while Putin is in charge .
There might be a chance with a replacement if that ever happens.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just what the world needs right now to major power's bickering.
But I do think there's an element of truth.
Johnson likes to talk the talk.
I fear we are rapidly losing our credibility on a world stage."
Rapidly losing? As in quickly draining from 10% to 0% credibility? Surely most was lost well before Russia stepped into Ukraine? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Just what the world needs right now to major power's bickering.
But I do think there's an element of truth.
Johnson likes to talk the talk.
I fear we are rapidly losing our credibility on a world stage."
Funny how two different pieces on the news today one a soldier in hospital and another soldier who was showing the russian tank he shot both thanked Boris and the uk for the help Britain is giving.You may think we are losing credibility in the world but the people on the front line dont seem to think so and right now i think those are the people who count the most. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
As a nuclear power we lose no credibility. France the non committal member of NATO until recently tries negotiating with a deranged idiot, remember, they went there once before and then look what happened.
The fact Macron even speaks to Putin is a win by Putin and and an embarrassment to France. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
northeast |
"Just what the world needs right now to major power's bickering.
But I do think there's an element of truth.
Johnson likes to talk the talk.
I fear we are rapidly losing our credibility on a world stage.Funny how two different pieces on the news today one a soldier in hospital and another soldier who was showing the russian tank he shot both thanked Boris and the uk for the help Britain is giving.You may think we are losing credibility in the world but the people on the front line dont seem to think so and right now i think those are the people who count the most."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We all know what happened to Napolean when he invaded Russia and a Frenchman never changes his spots
Napoleon died in 1821. So you don't need to worry about him."
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"As a nuclear power we lose no credibility. France the non committal member of NATO until recently tries negotiating with a deranged idiot, remember, they went there once before and then look what happened.
The fact Macron even speaks to Putin is a win by Putin and and an embarrassment to France. "
look on the bright side at least he is not moaning about fishing licensing |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As a nuclear power we lose no credibility. France the non committal member of NATO until recently tries negotiating with a deranged idiot, remember, they went there once before and then look what happened.
The fact Macron even speaks to Putin is a win by Putin and and an embarrassment to France. "
Well I reckon anything is worth a try, especially if it can end conflict |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"As a nuclear power we lose no credibility. France the non committal member of NATO until recently tries negotiating with a deranged idiot, remember, they went there once before and then look what happened.
The fact Macron even speaks to Putin is a win by Putin and and an embarrassment to France. "
You keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Putin respects Macron enough to speak with him that says a lot of a madman
How's Boris and co doing ? Making stupid statements trying to get themselves drawn into a war ? |
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"As a nuclear power we lose no credibility. France the non committal member of NATO until recently tries negotiating with a deranged idiot, remember, they went there once before and then look what happened.
The fact Macron even speaks to Putin is a win by Putin and and an embarrassment to France.
You keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Putin respects Macron enough to speak with him that says a lot of a madman
How's Boris and co doing ? Making stupid statements trying to get themselves drawn into a war ?"
Putin respects macron? I very much doubt it. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"As a nuclear power we lose no credibility. France the non committal member of NATO until recently tries negotiating with a deranged idiot, remember, they went there once before and then look what happened.
The fact Macron even speaks to Putin is a win by Putin and and an embarrassment to France.
You keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Putin respects Macron enough to speak with him that says a lot of a madman
How's Boris and co doing ? Making stupid statements trying to get themselves drawn into a war ?"
I don't think it's respect Putin has for Macron. More like he knows how to use him especially as he will know of the up coming elections in France. Didn't Macron get an assurance from Putin that he was not going to invade Ukraine |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"As a nuclear power we lose no credibility. France the non committal member of NATO until recently tries negotiating with a deranged idiot, remember, they went there once before and then look what happened.
The fact Macron even speaks to Putin is a win by Putin and and an embarrassment to France.
You keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Putin respects Macron enough to speak with him that says a lot of a madman
How's Boris and co doing ? Making stupid statements trying to get themselves drawn into a war ?
Putin respects macron? I very much doubt it."
Putin knows he has an election coming up and trying to get brownie points thats why he has kept feeding him shit and making him look like an idiot. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Macron recently turned up to work in jeans and a French Paratroopers hoodie. He looked ridiculous and was so obviously trying to get in on the Ukraine leader style thing!
I say this as a pro-EU/remain chap...Macron is a turd! |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Macron will do anything to cling on to the PMs job. He loves to sabre rattle at the rosti boufs ... He is worse than Napolean
Macron is president of France, he's not a PM."
Lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Macron will do anything to cling on to the PMs job. He loves to sabre rattle at the rosti boufs ... He is worse than Napolean "
Cling on to power..?
Is that a trait of 99.9% of politicians. Hardly unique to Macron..? Only look over here how many resign when they should, instead having to be fired. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Johnson would sell us down the Thames and have us drown in the filth him and his kabal have pumped into our rivers and lakes for nothing. "
He has come into his own and has become the leader we expected.. confident on the world stage and getting on with the job |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week
Nop never trust a man who is always dressed so perfectly."
By your rationale Johnson is very trustworthy seeing as he always without fail looks like a complete mess |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
"Johnson would sell us down the Thames and have us drown in the filth him and his kabal have pumped into our rivers and lakes for nothing.
He has come into his own and has become the leader we expected.. confident on the world stage and getting on with the job "
He became the leader some of you expected alright,just not the people who voted for him |
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"Macron is criticizing the English for it's loud words but lack of action on the Ukraine crisis.. "
We have sent massively more humanitarian aid, weapons etc. First to lead on kicking Russia out of swift...which Macron was against. The man is a lying moron with his eyes on the next French elections. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Macron is criticizing the English for it's loud words but lack of action on the Ukraine crisis..
We have sent massively more humanitarian aid, weapons etc. First to lead on kicking Russia out of swift...which Macron was against. The man is a lying moron with his eyes on the next French elections. "
His eyes give it away for me too. He reminds me of Kermit |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Macron is criticizing the English for it's loud words but lack of action on the Ukraine crisis..
We have sent massively more humanitarian aid, weapons etc. First to lead on kicking Russia out of swift...which Macron was against. The man is a lying moron with his eyes on the next French elections. "
Of course it is,he rings Putin every day like his little bitch in the hope Putin will end the war and he can claim that it was him that stopped it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Macron is criticizing the English for it's loud words but lack of action on the Ukraine crisis.. "
Macron has faced and acheived a very difficult task.
Anyone who can "lead" France needs to step into the footsteps of not only Louis, but others too.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
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BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris!"
The good law project  those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them. |
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"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them. "
I enjoy how much you openly don't care what Boris does, you support him anyway.
Is there a line he could cross that would change your mind. If he kicked in your front door and took a shit on your living room floor, would you still congratulate him on lining the pockets of his friends and the Tory party donors? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them.
I enjoy how much you openly don't care what Boris does, you support him anyway.
Is there a line he could cross that would change your mind. If he kicked in your front door and took a shit on your living room floor, would you still congratulate him on lining the pockets of his friends and the Tory party donors?"
Who says i dont care what he does, do you know me how i think and what i believe?
When they bring the case to court win then i will condemn the government just like everyone else but you have to admit the good law project is nothing more than a bunch of bitter remainers who think if they keep throwing enough mud some will stick and take in people such as yourself.
You can blindly follow some rich QC who couldnt stand the thought of losing in his brexit cases and has now made it his lifes ambition to discredit the government he couldn't beat but thats not for me im sure mr cummins is one of your heros too now.
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"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them.
I enjoy how much you openly don't care what Boris does, you support him anyway.
Is there a line he could cross that would change your mind. If he kicked in your front door and took a shit on your living room floor, would you still congratulate him on lining the pockets of his friends and the Tory party donors?Who says i dont care what he does, do you know me how i think and what i believe?
When they bring the case to court win then i will condemn the government just like everyone else but you have to admit the good law project is nothing more than a bunch of bitter remainers who think if they keep throwing enough mud some will stick and take in people such as yourself.
You can blindly follow some rich QC who couldnt stand the thought of losing in his brexit cases and has now made it his lifes ambition to discredit the government he couldn't beat but thats not for me im sure mr cummins is one of your heros too now.
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Sure, take comfort in your own distactions with the good law project. Doesn't have any bearing on Johnson's self serving nature.
But I'm glad you answered the question. So only if a court of law found him guilty, would you change your mind. Fair enough. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them. "
The Johnson led government using your money to defend themselves against accusations of stealing your money. |
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"Well he will get my vote at the next election regardless. I trust him more than the Looney left Labour Lefty Losing Losers... "
You're not alone. Many people love being fucked over by the government.
Imagine if Labour got in, they might not even hand £ billions of public money to their mates. What a fucking disaster. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Well he will get my vote at the next election regardless. I trust him more than the Looney left Labour Lefty Losing Losers...
You're not alone. Many people love being fucked over by the government.
Imagine if Labour got in, they might not even hand £ billions of public money to their mates. What a fucking disaster. "
Free voting is fantastic...
Nice to live in a free country where there is freedom of choice and not having to cower to pressure groups |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them.
The Johnson led government using your money to defend themselves against accusations of stealing your money."
More like the good law project,s QC jolyon maugham making millions out of suckers who fund his NON PROFIT organisation and also costing the taxpayers defending his accusations. The only people making money are the barristers, now theres a surprise a barrister fundraising so that he can get more work feel silly now at all ? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them.
The Johnson led government using your money to defend themselves against accusations of stealing your money.More like the good law project,s QC jolyon maugham making millions out of suckers who fund his NON PROFIT organisation and also costing the taxpayers defending his accusations. The only people making money are the barristers, now theres a surprise a barrister fundraising so that he can get more work feel silly now at all ?"
Nope. The evidence is compelling and nobody else is even willing to take a stand. These corrupt criminals in our Govt need to be outed. But most of those who might otherwise do it have their noses in the trough. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Well he will get my vote at the next election regardless. I trust him more than the Looney left Labour Lefty Losing Losers...
You're not alone. Many people love being fucked over by the government.
Imagine if Labour got in, they might not even hand £ billions of public money to their mates. What a fucking disaster.
Free voting is fantastic...
Nice to live in a free country where there is freedom of choice and not having to cower to pressure groups"
Would you mind paying my tax rises please?
You clearly have no problem that employer and employee NI is being increased in April along with dividend tax. They say they need to raise £12bn. Ironically the same amount lost due to Covid related fraud:
£8bn hole in DHSC accounts due to substandard and unusable PPE (Johnson led Govt ineptitude, VIP lanes and cronies getting contracts).
£4bn written off from Covid support considered to have been fraudulently claimed (ironically includes Sunak’s wife’s company that strangely then went bust). |
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"Well he will get my vote at the next election regardless. I trust him more than the Looney left Labour Lefty Losing Losers...
You're not alone. Many people love being fucked over by the government.
Imagine if Labour got in, they might not even hand £ billions of public money to their mates. What a fucking disaster.
Free voting is fantastic...
Nice to live in a free country where there is freedom of choice and not having to cower to pressure groups"
It is nice. Sadly it doesn't work. The majority of people vote exactly as they're told to. |
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"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it."
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them.
The Johnson led government using your money to defend themselves against accusations of stealing your money.More like the good law project,s QC jolyon maugham making millions out of suckers who fund his NON PROFIT organisation and also costing the taxpayers defending his accusations. The only people making money are the barristers, now theres a surprise a barrister fundraising so that he can get more work feel silly now at all ?
Nope. The evidence is compelling and nobody else is even willing to take a stand. These corrupt criminals in our Govt need to be outed. But most of those who might otherwise do it have their noses in the trough."
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"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them.
The Johnson led government using your money to defend themselves against accusations of stealing your money.More like the good law project,s QC jolyon maugham making millions out of suckers who fund his NON PROFIT organisation and also costing the taxpayers defending his accusations. The only people making money are the barristers, now theres a surprise a barrister fundraising so that he can get more work feel silly now at all ?
Nope. The evidence is compelling and nobody else is even willing to take a stand. These corrupt criminals in our Govt need to be outed. But most of those who might otherwise do it have their noses in the trough.Well if the evidence is there i fully expect the people responsible to be prosecuted when are they going to submit it to the fraud squad?"
You have faith that the people who run the system, have set it up to catch themselves out.
Fair play.
Did it work all the other times the Tories handed Billions to their friends and neighbors? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them.
The Johnson led government using your money to defend themselves against accusations of stealing your money.More like the good law project,s QC jolyon maugham making millions out of suckers who fund his NON PROFIT organisation and also costing the taxpayers defending his accusations. The only people making money are the barristers, now theres a surprise a barrister fundraising so that he can get more work feel silly now at all ?
Nope. The evidence is compelling and nobody else is even willing to take a stand. These corrupt criminals in our Govt need to be outed. But most of those who might otherwise do it have their noses in the trough.Well if the evidence is there i fully expect the people responsible to be prosecuted when are they going to submit it to the fraud squad?
You have faith that the people who run the system, have set it up to catch themselves out.
Fair play.
Did it work all the other times the Tories handed Billions to their friends and neighbors?"
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"Well I like Boris ..
He is a character..
BTW Boris couldn’t give a flying fuck about you. You do realise that right?
He has presided over the biggest transfer of state assets (our money) into private hands (his friends, family, cronies and donors) in British history.
THEY STOLE £BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY
But you like him!
Just today the Good Law Project have released evidence of a major fraud involving PPE being supplied at double the price by a company with no history but links to three Cabinet Ministers when Civil Servants had already identified reputable suppliers with a track record willing to supply at half the price but told to ignore them in favour of this connected “company”.
But you like Boris! The good law project those anti brexit losers who keep bringing pointless cases against the government and keep losing? Yea I’m going to take a lot of notice of them.
The Johnson led government using your money to defend themselves against accusations of stealing your money.More like the good law project,s QC jolyon maugham making millions out of suckers who fund his NON PROFIT organisation and also costing the taxpayers defending his accusations. The only people making money are the barristers, now theres a surprise a barrister fundraising so that he can get more work feel silly now at all ?
Nope. The evidence is compelling and nobody else is even willing to take a stand. These corrupt criminals in our Govt need to be outed. But most of those who might otherwise do it have their noses in the trough.Well if the evidence is there i fully expect the people responsible to be prosecuted when are they going to submit it to the fraud squad?
You have faith that the people who run the system, have set it up to catch themselves out.
Fair play.
Did it work all the other times the Tories handed Billions to their friends and neighbors?I have faith in the rule of law in the uk yes, if someone has compelling evidence then they should submit it to the fraud squad or do you think they are corrupt and all tories too? "
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes"
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team. |
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By *AW SEXCouple
over a year ago
bangor |
"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it.
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous."
why lie you could move to france tomorrow if you want, family members have move to france in the last six months so you are not telling the truth but this is what the far left say because they dont like democracy.unlike the 100's people that risk there life to get here every week rather than stay in france |
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"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it."
I was planning to in the future but a load of people voted to stop my freedom of movement to Spain because they wanted to shout at
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"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it.
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous.why lie you could move to france tomorrow if you want, family members have move to france in the last six months so you are not telling the truth but this is what the far left say because they dont like democracy.unlike the 100's people that risk there life to get here every week rather than stay in france"
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"Weird that whatever the subject of the thread that some always refer to Brexit or the Tories .
Haters will always hate sadly"
Indeed. Some of us do hate government corruption.
Others prefer to have a go at anyone who thinks the government should be working for the country and British people, instead of working on their, and the friends bank balances. |
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By *AW SEXCouple
over a year ago
bangor |
"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it.
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous.why lie you could move to france tomorrow if you want, family members have move to france in the last six months so you are not telling the truth but this is what the far left say because they dont like democracy.unlike the 100's people that risk there life to get here every week rather than stay in france
Everything going okay? Hang on in there."
glad you can see you were wrong ,have a great day now and i will leave you to your fun |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Weird that whatever the subject of the thread that some always refer to Brexit or the Tories .
Haters will always hate sadly
Indeed. Some of us do hate government corruption.
Others prefer to have a go at anyone who thinks the government should be working for the country and British people, instead of working on their, and the friends bank balances."
And some of just hate government ..
Not me but some do... |
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"Weird that whatever the subject of the thread that some always refer to Brexit or the Tories .
Haters will always hate sadly
Indeed. Some of us do hate government corruption.
Others prefer to have a go at anyone who thinks the government should be working for the country and British people, instead of working on their, and the friends bank balances.
And some of just hate government ..
Not me but some do..."
Do you support government corruption and nepotism? I assume you don't, and we're on the same side. |
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"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it.
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous.why lie you could move to france tomorrow if you want, family members have move to france in the last six months so you are not telling the truth but this is what the far left say because they dont like democracy.unlike the 100's people that risk there life to get here every week rather than stay in france
Everything going okay? Hang on in there. glad you can see you were wrong ,have a great day now and i will leave you to your fun"
Not sure what you think I'm wrong about.
I was talking about brexit. You should read up about it. People voted to removed freedom of movement within the EU. You can argue that we're still in the EU all you like though. Good luck. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team."
corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it.
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous.why lie you could move to france tomorrow if you want, family members have move to france in the last six months so you are not telling the truth but this is what the far left say because they dont like democracy.unlike the 100's people that risk there life to get here every week rather than stay in france
Everything going okay? Hang on in there. glad you can see you were wrong ,have a great day now and i will leave you to your fun
Not sure what you think I'm wrong about.
I was talking about brexit. You should read up about it. People voted to removed freedom of movement within the EU. You can argue that we're still in the EU all you like though. Good luck."
Lets break this to you gently.. you are not incarcerated in the UK and can still visit the continent .
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"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it.
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous.why lie you could move to france tomorrow if you want, family members have move to france in the last six months so you are not telling the truth but this is what the far left say because they dont like democracy.unlike the 100's people that risk there life to get here every week rather than stay in france
Everything going okay? Hang on in there. glad you can see you were wrong ,have a great day now and i will leave you to your fun
Not sure what you think I'm wrong about.
I was talking about brexit. You should read up about it. People voted to removed freedom of movement within the EU. You can argue that we're still in the EU all you like though. Good luck.
Lets break this to you gently.. you are not incarcerated in the UK and can still visit the continent .
Happy holidays "
Thanks. Does that solve the question for people who calling for anyone who wants the UK to be a less corrupt country, to leave? |
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession."
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it.
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous.why lie you could move to france tomorrow if you want, family members have move to france in the last six months so you are not telling the truth but this is what the far left say because they dont like democracy.unlike the 100's people that risk there life to get here every week rather than stay in france
Everything going okay? Hang on in there. glad you can see you were wrong ,have a great day now and i will leave you to your fun
Not sure what you think I'm wrong about.
I was talking about brexit. You should read up about it. People voted to removed freedom of movement within the EU. You can argue that we're still in the EU all you like though. Good luck.
Lets break this to you gently.. you are not incarcerated in the UK and can still visit the continent .
Happy holidays
Thanks. Does that solve the question for people who calling for anyone who wants the UK to be a less corrupt country, to leave?"
Well it's one solution...I like living here.. We all have choices... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. "
Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they? |
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"I'll take Macron over our lying, cheating, rule breaking, bubbling unkempt clown any day of the week no one is keeping you here under gunpoint, just leave if you dont like it.
Standard far right response to anyone who wants better for the country.
Sadly also, we can't leave. People voted to end freedom of movement. If only they hadn't, you could throw out anyone who expresses dissent. Marvellous.why lie you could move to france tomorrow if you want, family members have move to france in the last six months so you are not telling the truth but this is what the far left say because they dont like democracy.unlike the 100's people that risk there life to get here every week rather than stay in france
Everything going okay? Hang on in there. glad you can see you were wrong ,have a great day now and i will leave you to your fun
Not sure what you think I'm wrong about.
I was talking about brexit. You should read up about it. People voted to removed freedom of movement within the EU. You can argue that we're still in the EU all you like though. Good luck.
Lets break this to you gently.. you are not incarcerated in the UK and can still visit the continent .
Happy holidays
Thanks. Does that solve the question for people who calling for anyone who wants the UK to be a less corrupt country, to leave?
Well it's one solution...I like living here.. We all have choices... "
So you're suggesting the options are:
1. Support government corruption and don't go on holiday in EU countries.
2. Oppose government corruption and go on holiday in EU countries.
Brilliant. |
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they? "
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out? |
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?"
The deal you are quoting had nothing to do with PPE. At least get your facts right.!
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?"
Are you saying that the law is not fit for purpose? Where have i said i only care if they are caught out? but i am saying if there was any proof then the full force of the law would have come down on them.You seem to have all the evidence why not go to the police or are you just going by the good law project too. |
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?Are you saying that the law is not fit for purpose? Where have i said i only care if they are caught out? but i am saying if there was any proof then the full force of the law would have come down on them.You seem to have all the evidence why not go to the police or are you just going by the good law project too. "
You didn't say that, I was trying to ask your opinion.
You seem to be getting angry. So I'll let you crack on.
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?
The deal you are quoting had nothing to do with PPE. At least get your facts right.!
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?
The deal you are quoting had nothing to do with PPE. At least get your facts right.!
Sorry, what was the corruption about? There's been so much o forget what's what. "
Corruption?
Has anyone been charged and convicted?
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Matt Hancocks good friend and former neighbour who is a pub landlord set up a company at very short notice in 2020 and was awarded a £20m contract to supply test tubes.
Normal contractual due diligence was waived (some people will claim that was because we were in an emergency and speed was of the essence) but numerous companies with the right expertise and a track record of supply to Govt were overlooked in favour of companies with no experience or track record because they had some connection or endorsement from a Govt Minister.
The NAO has done an audit and found that companies that applied for contracts via the proper channels had a 1 in 100 chance of award. However, those applying through the “VIP Channel” (ie recommended or endorsed by Ministers) had a 1 in 10 chance of contract award.
Nothing to do with left or right. It is to do with wrong or right.
Oh and before someone shouts “if there was corruption then why aren’t the [insert authority] investigating it?” Have a think about who controls what and how budgets are allocated and how senior people in public sector organisations get and hold onto their posts. If you think these organisations are remotely independent then you are incredibly naive. After all it is only a few weeks since the Govt’s own “Fraud Tsar” resigned. Look up what he said.
The only way this will ever really come out and be properly investigated is if there is a change of Govt. But with do many Tory Stockholm Syndrome Koolaid drinkers around, that seems unlikely. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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Intersting how people who raise issues of potential corruption, nepotism underhand practices, blatant incompetence etc. are accused of being left wing or other intended insults.
Would those who are defending all this without question please explain why that is and why if as you claim you are patriotic that you aren’t all saying “hang on is there any truth in this?” Or “this needs investigating as those are large amounts being given away to unqualified people.”
No, you just say prove it and then put your fingers in your ears and go la la la.
If you are so proud of this country as you claim, then you should be first in line pushing to get to the bottom of this. You are potentially being robbed and sit there defending it from the point of party loyalty. So your mantra is Tory party good, everyone else wrong. Putin relies on “ blind unquestioning” loyalty. It’s how he managed to become a multi billionaire on $90k a year.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?Are you saying that the law is not fit for purpose? Where have i said i only care if they are caught out? but i am saying if there was any proof then the full force of the law would have come down on them.You seem to have all the evidence why not go to the police or are you just going by the good law project too.
You didn't say that, I was trying to ask your opinion.
You seem to be getting angry. So I'll let you crack on.
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There you go again thinking you know how I feel now how can anything I said be construed as getting angry? I know you don’t have a credible argument otherwise people would be in court or prison by now and so you try to deflect with personal comments making out you know how people feel. Just answer the question why has nobody been convicted? |
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"Intersting how people who raise issues of potential corruption, nepotism underhand practices, blatant incompetence etc. are accused of being left wing or other intended insults.
Would those who are defending all this without question please explain why that is and why if as you claim you are patriotic that you aren’t all saying “hang on is there any truth in this?” Or “this needs investigating as those are large amounts being given away to unqualified people.”
No, you just say prove it and then put your fingers in your ears and go la la la.
If you are so proud of this country as you claim, then you should be first in line pushing to get to the bottom of this. You are potentially being robbed and sit there defending it from the point of party loyalty. So your mantra is Tory party good, everyone else wrong. Putin relies on “ blind unquestioning” loyalty. It’s how he managed to become a multi billionaire on $90k a year.
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There was no mention of the word potential.
It was a slam dunk of claiming corruption.
If/when there is a time people are charge and convicted of corruption that will be a different matter.
However in UK law all parties are innocent until proving guilty.
Certain parties on here think they are judge and jury themselves and imo they tend to be the people on the left.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
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"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister."
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
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"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism."
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here."
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Intersting how people who raise issues of potential corruption, nepotism underhand practices, blatant incompetence etc. are accused of being left wing or other intended insults.
Would those who are defending all this without question please explain why that is and why if as you claim you are patriotic that you aren’t all saying “hang on is there any truth in this?” Or “this needs investigating as those are large amounts being given away to unqualified people.”
No, you just say prove it and then put your fingers in your ears and go la la la.
If you are so proud of this country as you claim, then you should be first in line pushing to get to the bottom of this. You are potentially being robbed and sit there defending it from the point of party loyalty. So your mantra is Tory party good, everyone else wrong. Putin relies on “ blind unquestioning” loyalty. It’s how he managed to become a multi billionaire on $90k a year.
There was no mention of the word potential.
It was a slam dunk of claiming corruption.
If/when there is a time people are charge and convicted of corruption that will be a different matter.
However in UK law all parties are innocent until proving guilty.
Certain parties on here think they are judge and jury themselves and imo they tend to be the people on the left.
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So you think £8B of admitted PPE write offs and £37b on a track and trace amounting to £500 per person in the U.K. is not worth investigating?
You seem to be saying prove it over and over without actually addressing the issue being raised.
Do you just accept as there is no public evidence then all is well with the world.
The government paid £3 plus per face mask on some contracts. They cost pennies to make. But that’s fine because Boris and Co say we were desperate . Companies were set up to provide PPE whilst others who had previous experience were excluded . Again that’s not worth looking at??
This isn’t about the colour of the party this is about the core values of an open and honest democracy .
To say because we can’t see anything in writing is like defending Putin because he says it’s all good and nothing to see here. Maybe he should sign the rockets personally? Or maybe a similar scenario whereby a team of gymnasts on a trip to America turn up at the airport and the senior coach drops a team member but brings his twenty five stone son along on the free trip. One member of the team says “he’s doesn’t look like a gymnast” but the devoted say “the coach says he is so he must be “. “But look at him he struggles to stand” . They then say “prove he’s not a gymnast” but you have no authority to make him prove it. just as you can’t demand the evidence in the PPE purchasing. A lot of it is still being kept private . Why? They haven’t shot anyone and it’s not a national security issue.
If it looks this dodgy there’s a good chance it is!
The obscene figures and reported behaviour of certain department ministers is screaming something stinks but some still avoid thinking for themselves and saying that doesn’t look right.
I wonder how many mobile phones were lost by those ministers once the rumbling started .
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?
The deal you are quoting had nothing to do with PPE. At least get your facts right.!
Sorry, what was the corruption about? There's been so much o forget what's what.
Corruption?
Has anyone been charged and convicted?
Or do you actually mean Left wing made up stories!"
Why do you assume only the left wing care about the government using the pandemic to give billions of public money to their friends and neighbors?
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Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here.
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
Are you ok that the Russia Report has not been published?"
If and when said evidence is presented in a court of law and convictions made you can then rightfully say corruption.
Until then like it or not it is just hearsay.
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?
The deal you are quoting had nothing to do with PPE. At least get your facts right.!
Sorry, what was the corruption about? There's been so much o forget what's what.
Corruption?
Has anyone been charged and convicted?
Or do you actually mean Left wing made up stories!
Why do you assume only the left wing care about the government using the pandemic to give billions of public money to their friends and neighbors?
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Another one who just ignores due process.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?
The deal you are quoting had nothing to do with PPE. At least get your facts right.!
Sorry, what was the corruption about? There's been so much o forget what's what.
Corruption?
Has anyone been charged and convicted?
Or do you actually mean Left wing made up stories!
Why do you assume only the left wing care about the government using the pandemic to give billions of public money to their friends and neighbors?
Another one who just ignores due process.
If you have the evidence that will stand up in a court of law do something about it."
And another one who ignored earlier posts explaining why you cannot just take the UK Govt to court. Explain how you would do that? Explain the process? Explain which body or organisation would attempt to prosecute the Govt and Ministers. And when you try to explain that, can you also explain why you believe any of the relevant organisations are fully independent from Govt. |
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"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?
The deal you are quoting had nothing to do with PPE. At least get your facts right.!
Sorry, what was the corruption about? There's been so much o forget what's what.
Corruption?
Has anyone been charged and convicted?
Or do you actually mean Left wing made up stories!
Why do you assume only the left wing care about the government using the pandemic to give billions of public money to their friends and neighbors?
Another one who just ignores due process.
If you have the evidence that will stand up in a court of law do something about it.
And another one who ignored earlier posts explaining why you cannot just take the UK Govt to court. Explain how you would do that? Explain the process? Explain which body or organisation would attempt to prosecute the Govt and Ministers. And when you try to explain that, can you also explain why you believe any of the relevant organisations are fully independent from Govt."
Aren't you banging your head against the wall. Don't you know that if Bojo says tomorrow the sun will rise in the west, his followers will actually believe it. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Russia Report
Sue Grey Report
And on it goes
Chilcot inquiry.
None of them seem to face any consequences.
It baffles me why people constantly defend government corruption and nepotism tooth and nail.
We're all being fucked over here, we should all be on the same team.corruption is a crime if as was stated there is compelling evidence the police would prosecute simple as that and i would applaud them so why haven't they? my guess is there is no compelling evidence the only other answer is the whole judicial system is corrupt which i dont believe as there are plenty of champagne socialists who are in the profession.
Why does the whole system have to be corrupt. There are clearly loopholes.
Anyhow, you seem determined to have a pop at anyone who doesn't want a corrupt government. Where can you go from there. Not at all i doubt there is anyone in the land that wants a corrupt government and i certainly dont but as i said im sure they would have been taken to court by now if there was compelling evidence as stated,why haven't they?
Because they know how to work the system. They know the shortcomings in the law.
Are you comfortable with £40 million quid of tax payers money going to Matt Handcock's neighbor for his new start up PPE company? As one single example.
So to be clear, you're fine with immoral practices, like nepotism when it comes to things like this, you only care if they're caught out?
The deal you are quoting had nothing to do with PPE. At least get your facts right.!
Sorry, what was the corruption about? There's been so much o forget what's what.
Corruption?
Has anyone been charged and convicted?
Or do you actually mean Left wing made up stories!
Why do you assume only the left wing care about the government using the pandemic to give billions of public money to their friends and neighbors?
Another one who just ignores due process.
If you have the evidence that will stand up in a court of law do something about it."
I haven't read the thread top to bottom. please excuse any repeat points..
The government were found to be acting unlawfully when they awarded 2 PPE contracts through the VIP fast track scheme. The fast track scheme was also judged to be illegal.
This will play into a public enquiry at some point but the get out of jail card will be, reacting to an emergency for the good of the nation.
It would be inconceivable to believe that certain ministers were naive to the fact they were awarding contracts that would never have been allowed under normal regulated conditions, and that is why the ministers VIP fast track scheme was found to be illegal and the government were acting unlawfully.
Moving back to Macron.....
Macron would have loved to be the person who prevented the war, he sees himself very much as the white knight of the EU. His election run in starts on 10th April, would we assume like every other politician / leader, he would do and say pretty much anything to cling onto power?
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Sorry to be stick in the mud but I started this thread about the French Prime Minister. It's been hijacked "
Yes you’re right and I apologise for my part in the veering off. Macron being slated is a pathetic attempt to distract from how shit our governments response was. After being shamed by the likes of Macron, Boris has eventually reacted.
Sending weapons is great but maybe if the likes of Farage hadn’t supported Russia’s views on Ukraine they would have joined the EU earlier and it would have helped them economically.
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"Sorry to be stick in the mud but I started this thread about the French Prime Minister. It's been hijacked
Yes you’re right and I apologise for my part in the veering off. Macron being slated is a pathetic attempt to distract from how shit our governments response was. After being shamed by the likes of Macron, Boris has eventually reacted.
Sending weapons is great but maybe if the likes of Farage hadn’t supported Russia’s views on Ukraine they would have joined the EU earlier and it would have helped them economically.
Macron just told the truth. We were behaving outrageously compared to others. "
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
France has the Presidency of the EU at the moment, so you would expect Macron to be front and centre.
There's just a nagging doubt that he is trying to save French business interests in Russia.
Renault have restarted production at their Moscow manufacturing facility, and French retail giant, Leroy Merlin, are continuing with their Russian expansion plans. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Sorry to be stick in the mud but I started this thread about the French Prime Minister. It's been hijacked "
I really thought you were going to say “Sorry to be a stick in the mud but I weally weally like Mr Boris cos he is just so cuddly wuddly and you could have a beer with him in the pub!” |
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By *6travellerMan
over a year ago
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Typical of a person from a neutral country that allowed German submarines to refuel during WW11. I don't think you have any idea of war. An armed service with an helicopter, one boat and no land army. Indeed you had to rely on fishermen a couple of months ago stopping Russia operating in your waters. Appeasement does not work, never has, never will. So keep your ‘neutral, no experience opinions to yourself’ |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Typical of a person from a neutral country that allowed German submarines to refuel during WW11. I don't think you have any idea of war. An armed service with an helicopter, one boat and no land army. Indeed you had to rely on fishermen a couple of months ago stopping Russia operating in your waters. Appeasement does not work, never has, never will. So keep your ‘neutral, no experience opinions to yourself’ "
Who are you talking to? Macron?
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
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I would love to know who you are responding to. The way to do that is to choose the reply in forum + quote option under the comment you are responding to
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By *irldnCouple
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Brighton |
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I would love to know who you are responding to. The way to do that is to choose the reply in forum + quote option under the comment you are responding to
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Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here.
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
Are you ok that the Russia Report has not been published?
If and when said evidence is presented in a court of law and convictions made you can then rightfully say corruption.
Until then like it or not it is just hearsay.
The law of the land is innocent until proven guilty and that is for everyone."
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here.
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
Are you ok that the Russia Report has not been published?
If and when said evidence is presented in a court of law and convictions made you can then rightfully say corruption.
Until then like it or not it is just hearsay.
The law of the land is innocent until proven guilty and that is for everyone.
Fair play that you don't care that they use loopholes to line their pockets. But I don't know why you're upset that other people do care."
There you go again how do you work out he is upset by hat he has written? do at least try to comment on what is said rather than what is in your head.  |
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"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here.
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
Are you ok that the Russia Report has not been published?
If and when said evidence is presented in a court of law and convictions made you can then rightfully say corruption.
Until then like it or not it is just hearsay.
The law of the land is innocent until proven guilty and that is for everyone.
Fair play that you don't care that they use loopholes to line their pockets. But I don't know why you're upset that other people do care.There you go again how do you work out he is upset by hat he has written? do at least try to comment on what is said rather than what is in your head. "
I did.
You both seem pissed off that other people don't like the government ripping off the tax payer.
I'm comfortable that you guys don't give a fuck. But why do you spend your time trying to rag on people who do? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here.
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
Are you ok that the Russia Report has not been published?
If and when said evidence is presented in a court of law and convictions made you can then rightfully say corruption.
Until then like it or not it is just hearsay.
The law of the land is innocent until proven guilty and that is for everyone.
Fair play that you don't care that they use loopholes to line their pockets. But I don't know why you're upset that other people do care.There you go again how do you work out he is upset by hat he has written? do at least try to comment on what is said rather than what is in your head.
I did.
You both seem pissed off that other people don't like the government ripping off the tax payer.
I'm comfortable that you guys don't give a fuck. But why do you spend your time trying to rag on people who do?"
Because i like a balanced debate not the mob mentality of lynching people because of speculation some of you would have gone down well with the witchfinder general. |
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"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here.
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
Are you ok that the Russia Report has not been published?
If and when said evidence is presented in a court of law and convictions made you can then rightfully say corruption.
Until then like it or not it is just hearsay.
The law of the land is innocent until proven guilty and that is for everyone.
Fair play that you don't care that they use loopholes to line their pockets. But I don't know why you're upset that other people do care.There you go again how do you work out he is upset by hat he has written? do at least try to comment on what is said rather than what is in your head.
I did.
You both seem pissed off that other people don't like the government ripping off the tax payer.
I'm comfortable that you guys don't give a fuck. But why do you spend your time trying to rag on people who do?Because i like a balanced debate not the mob mentality of lynching people because of speculation some of you would have gone down well with the witchfinder general. "
Okay. So you've shifted from being (or appearing to be) annoyed, to trying to ridicule me because I don't like the government handing billions to their mates during the pandemic.
That's where we are. Amazing.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here.
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
Are you ok that the Russia Report has not been published?
If and when said evidence is presented in a court of law and convictions made you can then rightfully say corruption.
Until then like it or not it is just hearsay.
The law of the land is innocent until proven guilty and that is for everyone.
Fair play that you don't care that they use loopholes to line their pockets. But I don't know why you're upset that other people do care.There you go again how do you work out he is upset by hat he has written? do at least try to comment on what is said rather than what is in your head.
I did.
You both seem pissed off that other people don't like the government ripping off the tax payer.
I'm comfortable that you guys don't give a fuck. But why do you spend your time trying to rag on people who do?Because i like a balanced debate not the mob mentality of lynching people because of speculation some of you would have gone down well with the witchfinder general.
Okay. So you've shifted from being (or appearing to be) annoyed, to trying to ridicule me because I don't like the government handing billions to their mates during the pandemic.
That's where we are. Amazing.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Wake up! We are the major supplier of arms and training to Ukraine. France has supplied nothing of worth."
That's a bit harsh. Macron managed to get assurances from Putin that there would not be an invasion. Stopped the war before it started. Now that's what I call contribution |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
northeast |
"France has the Presidency of the EU at the moment, so you would expect Macron to be front and centre.
There's just a nagging doubt that he is trying to save French business interests in Russia.
Renault have restarted production at their Moscow manufacturing facility, and French retail giant, Leroy Merlin, are continuing with their Russian expansion plans. "
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"“Prove it” and “nobody has been convicted” do you people have any understanding of what is involved with taking the UK Govt and Ministers to court?
Who would fo that exactly? Which body or organisation? Who determines whether that organisation can/should take the Govt to court?
Any idea of the cost involved?
If there is a change in Govt THEN we may get an inquiry and THEN we may get court cases but plenty of time before then to further weight the “system” in your favour.
The Chilcot enquiry did not start until 2009 (and not properly until 2011). It did not conclude until 2016. That is 13 years after the Iraq War! And the outcome?
See what I did there? I don’t care what colour tie someone wears, I care if they do a good job as PM/Minister.
If carrying out the correct process within UK law takes time that's what will happen.
No argument there. But total denial until that point when there is a wealth of evidence is simply tribalism.
So what you are suggesting is even though no charges have been brought forward and no conviction given just because you don't like something you can say guilty away.
Fortunately that's now how it works in the UK. It may work in places like Russia and China but not here.
The evidence is overwhelming and growing. However, the mechanism to address that and bring to trial is not in place. Fingers crossed it will be in future.
In the meantime there is no dispute that £billions of contracts have been awarded to spurious companies that lacked experience but had the right connections. That isn’t disputed, just the will to prosecute (and mechanism as previous points). Are you ok with that?
We have tax rises coming in April that would not be necessary if the PPE contracts had delivered what was actually needed and usable. Are you ok with that?
Are you ok that the Russia Report has not been published?
If and when said evidence is presented in a court of law and convictions made you can then rightfully say corruption.
Until then like it or not it is just hearsay.
The law of the land is innocent until proven guilty and that is for everyone.
Fair play that you don't care that they use loopholes to line their pockets. But I don't know why you're upset that other people do care.There you go again how do you work out he is upset by hat he has written? do at least try to comment on what is said rather than what is in your head.
I did.
You both seem pissed off that other people don't like the government ripping off the tax payer.
I'm comfortable that you guys don't give a fuck. But why do you spend your time trying to rag on people who do?Because i like a balanced debate not the mob mentality of lynching people because of speculation some of you would have gone down well with the witchfinder general.
Okay. So you've shifted from being (or appearing to be) annoyed, to trying to ridicule me because I don't like the government handing billions to their mates during the pandemic.
That's where we are. Amazing.
As i have told you several times im not annoyed and never have been.Im sorry if you feel like you are being ridiculed i was just answering your question."
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"So getting back to bashing Macron (cos he is French) it appears Renault (part state owned) is resuming production in Russia!
So much for solidarity!"
I thought that this could not possibly be true but looks like it is very true and very alarming. My concern would be others may follow suit if they see Renault getting an advantage. |
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"So let's not try diplomacy at all is what you're saying?"
With Putin? You just have to look at very recent history to get your answer. Georgia, Chechnya etc. At what point do you realise he's not going to change his ways if you don't stand up to him? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Macron only talking because as always the French show the white flag at the earliest opportunity. "
Interesting comment about white flags.
Deaths of soldiers in both world wars combined.
U.K. & Ireland 1.1m
France 1.5m.
Sone white flag waving there.. or maybe just xenophobia run rampant.
The only reason the U.K. wasn’t overrun in WW2 was 22nd miles of water.
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