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"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on " Agree with this | |||
"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on Agree with this "We are professional fence-sitters. | |||
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"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on " Hear Hear! - We believe whatever narrative we are fed. The U.S have started and participated in dozens of Wars since WWII - they are like Duff beer in the simpsons - the cause and solution to all problems. the E.U. is no better of late, we agreed with Russia that Ukraine would stay independent and not join the E.U or Nato and we reneged on this promise. War is not good, and I personally feel for the Ukraine, it would be better if we all stood by our convictions. I would hope that peace will prevail, but saying this is the Russians alone is a lie where all sides are complicit. Have we learned nothing the last two years, do not believe everything you hear or read, and be very scared when we will only hear one side because the other is silenced! I'd prefer to hear what the other side are saying instead of only hearing one viewpoint. Do we not find this a little odd? | |||
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"Ukraine should spend the money as they wish but our neutrality is important in this world." Id disagree. Our neutrality is mostly ignored/unknown by the rest of the world...if it even exists at all. | |||
" we agreed with Russia that Ukraine would stay independent and not join the E.U or Nato and we reneged on this promise. " What promise? International agreements don't run on promises or pinky swears,signed treaties or they are not worth the paper they are written on. Bear in mind Russia has been at war with Ukraine for years now and Ukraine has been acting in its own safety interests cosying up to eu If Ukraine wants to join eu has f all to do with russia | |||
"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on Hear Hear! - We believe whatever narrative we are fed. The U.S have started and participated in dozens of Wars since WWII - they are like Duff beer in the simpsons - the cause and solution to all problems. the E.U. is no better of late, we agreed with Russia that Ukraine would stay independent and not join the E.U or Nato and we reneged on this promise. War is not good, and I personally feel for the Ukraine, it would be better if we all stood by our convictions. I would hope that peace will prevail, but saying this is the Russians alone is a lie where all sides are complicit. Have we learned nothing the last two years, do not believe everything you hear or read, and be very scared when we will only hear one side because the other is silenced! I'd prefer to hear what the other side are saying instead of only hearing one viewpoint. Do we not find this a little odd? " War is not good, but then again who is war good for? Instability causes the price of oil per barrel to rise - the highest its been since 2014 at the moment. Who are the people that benefit most? For all the money Russia are spending on this war and all the cost of weapons supplied by the US they will both likely stand to make a profit. Hence there hasn't been much said by the Arab nations either. If you want to hear the other side you can stick on RT news, but it's comically pretty much the complete opposite of the news we receive as it's state sponsered and the truth is lost somewhere in the middle with the innocent Ukrainian people | |||
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"I started reading russia today and it's not as different as I was expecting." I think they know they can't outright say bullshit in their official news reports in English, but take a read of the comments in the articles. That's where they seem to really sow the disinformation. And not to say I think our press is too trustworthy either. We're all reading things that don't cover the whole story and even if they're not intentionally biased, they're distorted by the writers preconceived notions and worldview. I'm a huge fan of Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent", the intelligent take on "fake news" before Trump and the alt-right stole it to just describe anything negative about them. | |||
" we agreed with Russia that Ukraine would stay independent and not join the E.U or Nato and we reneged on this promise. What promise? International agreements don't run on promises or pinky swears,signed treaties or they are not worth the paper they are written on. Bear in mind Russia has been at war with Ukraine for years now and Ukraine has been acting in its own safety interests cosying up to eu If Ukraine wants to join eu has f all to do with russia " Minsk 1 & 2 - there were agreements made that Ukraine would not antagonise Russia. You are Correct Russia has been at war for years with them. The Minsk agreement is very complicated and similar to Minsk 1, so the interpretation is difficult. The Ukraine joining the E.U would not be something Russia would do nothing about, this would clearly be an act of War as it's an area of conflict. NA there are regions in Ukraine that believe they are Russian. Maybe the British could take Co Louth? I don't condone any wars, the Russians are not an honest bunch but more dishonest are the U.S and now the E.U for their own gain. | |||
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"How is a country joining the EU clearly an act of war!? " You'd need to look over the many many various agreements between the Ukraine & Russia. But in summary, a country in conflict/currently with another then joining forces with others would be seen as aggression, in turn an act of war with Russia. There are a number of sectors in the Ukraine and some of those wish to be their own states and some are closely aligned with Russia. So again this is not as close cut as the west are letting us believe. The Ukraine is a very wealthy natural resource rich country, and the Russians would equally not like to hinder their interaction with that country, if it were part of NATO or the E.U. this would be the case. For further research look at the number of wars the U.S has either started or participated in and that can go for the British too. Just to be categoric I'd not condone any war, and I would hope peace can be achieved. | |||
"I know this is very serious and worrisome as first new potential huge war in Europe in decades but there's bigger issues to deal with. We can't get distracted from the fact that we possibly may see this whole global civilisation of ours collapse in the coming decades as extreme weather becomes more and more prevalent. What we're seeing now may be just the beginning of that collapse with populations becoming more and more divided. The IPCC report getting released this year is really catering towards adapting to future events with more drought and harsher floods hitting many areas, which will drive populations from third and developing countries into the first world that's way of life so focused on consuming at a massive scale and is just unsustainable. Merely switching to green energy and electric cars isn't going to stop it. That's just more feeding this system so dependent on our current global system. Things are honestly not looking good at the moment, and that Paris agreement that governments said they'd try to stick to is likely a failure, with most climate scientists being very skeptical of being able to keep to below that important 2° warming mark that was still going to bring a serious change to the way our atmosphere and weather patterns work Until we can see ourselves as just another species on this planet that's past and current actions are affecting it and the ecosystem we depend on in a negative way, and who've only been here in our present form a measly few thousand years, we can't really focus on it properly. Instead, we've built up this artificial world around us dependent on constant growth for those at the very top, and even the normal people, even in us rich first world countries just so trapped by financial insecurity to be able to see past it, thinking this is the real world, where we're just given enough to feed this imagined economy so dependent on consumption and consumerism. Sorry for the depressing rant. I'm fed up with how little the governments and media seem to care about this topic, thinking it's only something minor and convincing the ordinary public that everything is fine and they should just carry on as normal and just do their jobs without worrying " Simple answer for your global warming claims. Close down China and India and the U.S. If you're unable to do this then we are at nothing. We can virtue signal till the cows come home, we might even find a few more Gretta's but it's useless unless we get the factories of the world to not pollute. this has nothing to do with the conflict in the Ukraine also, but the global warming, eat man made meat brigade can go an take a big jump. Many think climate action is very important - it's called a wicked problem, one that cannot be solved with current technology, it could also be nature, it could be pollution it could be many things. One thing for sure Ireland will contribute nothing to climate, and funny enough we went from 3 Degrees by 2050 to 1.5 degrees globally hotter next year by doing nothing it will be lower again, If you ask me it gives politicians some additional rubbish to spout and do nothing about because in Ireland any efforts we make are futile. Nothing except cost people and families Thousands in extra euros per year with ZERO benefits to the environment. This is the Truth. | |||
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" we agreed with Russia that Ukraine would stay independent and not join the E.U or Nato and we reneged on this promise. What promise? International agreements don't run on promises or pinky swears,signed treaties or they are not worth the paper they are written on. Bear in mind Russia has been at war with Ukraine for years now and Ukraine has been acting in its own safety interests cosying up to eu If Ukraine wants to join eu has f all to do with russia Minsk 1 & 2 - there were agreements made that Ukraine would not antagonise Russia. You are Correct Russia has been at war for years with them. The Minsk agreement is very complicated and similar to Minsk 1, so the interpretation is difficult. The Ukraine joining the E.U would not be something Russia would do nothing about, this would clearly be an act of War as it's an area of conflict. NA there are regions in Ukraine that believe they are Russian. Maybe the British could take Co Louth? I don't condone any wars, the Russians are not an honest bunch but more dishonest are the U.S and now the E.U for their own gain. " I just read the full text of Minsk 1 and 2 protocols... and it doesn't say anything about not joining with Europe or NATO. What part specifically do you think says this. Can you quote it pls. | |||
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"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on " this | |||
" we agreed with Russia that Ukraine would stay independent and not join the E.U or Nato and we reneged on this promise. What promise? International agreements don't run on promises or pinky swears,signed treaties or they are not worth the paper they are written on. Bear in mind Russia has been at war with Ukraine for years now and Ukraine has been acting in its own safety interests cosying up to eu If Ukraine wants to join eu has f all to do with russia Minsk 1 & 2 - there were agreements made that Ukraine would not antagonise Russia. You are Correct Russia has been at war for years with them. The Minsk agreement is very complicated and similar to Minsk 1, so the interpretation is difficult. The Ukraine joining the E.U would not be something Russia would do nothing about, this would clearly be an act of War as it's an area of conflict. NA there are regions in Ukraine that believe they are Russian. Maybe the British could take Co Louth? I don't condone any wars, the Russians are not an honest bunch but more dishonest are the U.S and now the E.U for their own gain. " “ The Ukraine joining the E.U would not be something Russia would do nothing about, this would clearly be an act of War as it's an area of conflict” I’m sorry, I know we have to be civil….. ok you know what ? I’m not even going to comment on this statement. To be honest I don’t think I need to. | |||
"I know this is very serious and worrisome as first new potential huge war in Europe in decades but there's bigger issues to deal with. We can't get distracted from the fact that we possibly may see this whole global civilisation of ours collapse in the coming decades as extreme weather becomes more and more prevalent. What we're seeing now may be just the beginning of that collapse with populations becoming more and more divided. The IPCC report getting released this year is really catering towards adapting to future events with more drought and harsher floods hitting many areas, which will drive populations from third and developing countries into the first world that's way of life so focused on consuming at a massive scale and is just unsustainable. Merely switching to green energy and electric cars isn't going to stop it. That's just more feeding this system so dependent on our current global system. Things are honestly not looking good at the moment, and that Paris agreement that governments said they'd try to stick to is likely a failure, with most climate scientists being very skeptical of being able to keep to below that important 2° warming mark that was still going to bring a serious change to the way our atmosphere and weather patterns work Until we can see ourselves as just another species on this planet that's past and current actions are affecting it and the ecosystem we depend on in a negative way, and who've only been here in our present form a measly few thousand years, we can't really focus on it properly. Instead, we've built up this artificial world around us dependent on constant growth for those at the very top, and even the normal people, even in us rich first world countries just so trapped by financial insecurity to be able to see past it, thinking this is the real world, where we're just given enough to feed this imagined economy so dependent on consumption and consumerism. Sorry for the depressing rant. I'm fed up with how little the governments and media seem to care about this topic, thinking it's only something minor and convincing the ordinary public that everything is fine and they should just carry on as normal and just do their jobs without worrying Simple answer for your global warming claims. Close down China and India and the U.S. If you're unable to do this then we are at nothing. We can virtue signal till the cows come home, we might even find a few more Gretta's but it's useless unless we get the factories of the world to not pollute. this has nothing to do with the conflict in the Ukraine also, but the global warming, eat man made meat brigade can go an take a big jump. Many think climate action is very important - it's called a wicked problem, one that cannot be solved with current technology, it could also be nature, it could be pollution it could be many things. One thing for sure Ireland will contribute nothing to climate, and funny enough we went from 3 Degrees by 2050 to 1.5 degrees globally hotter next year by doing nothing it will be lower again, If you ask me it gives politicians some additional rubbish to spout and do nothing about because in Ireland any efforts we make are futile. Nothing except cost people and families Thousands in extra euros per year with ZERO benefits to the environment. This is the Truth." I don't say we as Irish people. I say we as a species on this ancient planet who've grown and advanced like crazy in only a couple thousand years on this much more ancient planet during a period where we had a semi stable climate predictable enough for agriculture, and got to this point while so many primitive tribalistic instincts are still fresh in the mind, making us always want to pick sides and be part of smaller groups. We are naive apes whos curiosity and ability to work in groups has helped us advance further than any other species, but we really have lost track of reality, so deluded by this fake artificial world around us we've shaped to our own design and yet struggle to cope in it, adapted and evolved to live in a far different world. Where are you getting your numbers by the way? We'll most likely hit 1.5° average warming within the next few years probably at the next El Nino Event, but it'll be an outlier year more warning of what is to come. 2030s will see consistent years of it becoming the new norm, and yes, we're likely rocketing past the 2° soon after. Things are only going to start happening more rapidly as the oceans have warmed to the point that they're not capable of absorbing as much CO2 as they used to. | |||
"If the Ukraine was not going to join NATO after this it fecking will along with a load of other countries. Russia has basically shown them that it can invade them at anytime so they would be safer in NATO." And agreed. This was supposed to be a show of force and a threat to push them back into thinking they had to obey Russia and stop being so friendly with the west but it's done the opposite, just like the annexing of Crimea. Yes, Crimea was predominantly a prorussian area of Ukraine, and I can accept the basis for taking it over, but it just hurt them more. This was 5% of Ukraine's population that consistently voted in prorussian candidates. Taking them over not only pushed the rest of Ukraine further away from Russia, but also removed a very useful voting block | |||
"I know this is very serious and worrisome as first new potential huge war in Europe in decades but there's bigger issues to deal with. We can't get distracted from the fact that we possibly may see this whole global civilisation of ours collapse in the coming decades as extreme weather becomes more and more prevalent. What we're seeing now may be just the beginning of that collapse with populations becoming more and more divided. The IPCC report getting released this year is really catering towards adapting to future events with more drought and harsher floods hitting many areas, which will drive populations from third and developing countries into the first world that's way of life so focused on consuming at a massive scale and is just unsustainable. Merely switching to green energy and electric cars isn't going to stop it. That's just more feeding this system so dependent on our current global system. Things are honestly not looking good at the moment, and that Paris agreement that governments said they'd try to stick to is likely a failure, with most climate scientists being very skeptical of being able to keep to below that important 2° warming mark that was still going to bring a serious change to the way our atmosphere and weather patterns work Until we can see ourselves as just another species on this planet that's past and current actions are affecting it and the ecosystem we depend on in a negative way, and who've only been here in our present form a measly few thousand years, we can't really focus on it properly. Instead, we've built up this artificial world around us dependent on constant growth for those at the very top, and even the normal people, even in us rich first world countries just so trapped by financial insecurity to be able to see past it, thinking this is the real world, where we're just given enough to feed this imagined economy so dependent on consumption and consumerism. Sorry for the depressing rant. I'm fed up with how little the governments and media seem to care about this topic, thinking it's only something minor and convincing the ordinary public that everything is fine and they should just carry on as normal and just do their jobs without worrying Simple answer for your global warming claims. Close down China and India and the U.S. If you're unable to do this then we are at nothing. We can virtue signal till the cows come home, we might even find a few more Gretta's but it's useless unless we get the factories of the world to not pollute. this has nothing to do with the conflict in the Ukraine also, but the global warming, eat man made meat brigade can go an take a big jump. Many think climate action is very important - it's called a wicked problem, one that cannot be solved with current technology, it could also be nature, it could be pollution it could be many things. One thing for sure Ireland will contribute nothing to climate, and funny enough we went from 3 Degrees by 2050 to 1.5 degrees globally hotter next year by doing nothing it will be lower again, If you ask me it gives politicians some additional rubbish to spout and do nothing about because in Ireland any efforts we make are futile. Nothing except cost people and families Thousands in extra euros per year with ZERO benefits to the environment. This is the Truth. I don't say we as Irish people. I say we as a species on this ancient planet who've grown and advanced like crazy in only a couple thousand years on this much more ancient planet during a period where we had a semi stable climate predictable enough for agriculture, and got to this point while so many primitive tribalistic instincts are still fresh in the mind, making us always want to pick sides and be part of smaller groups. We are naive apes whos curiosity and ability to work in groups has helped us advance further than any other species, but we really have lost track of reality, so deluded by this fake artificial world around us we've shaped to our own design and yet struggle to cope in it, adapted and evolved to live in a far different world. Where are you getting your numbers by the way? We'll most likely hit 1.5° average warming within the next few years probably at the next El Nino Event, but it'll be an outlier year more warning of what is to come. 2030s will see consistent years of it becoming the new norm, and yes, we're likely rocketing past the 2° soon after. Things are only going to start happening more rapidly as the oceans have warmed to the point that they're not capable of absorbing as much CO2 as they used to." So you ignore all the valid points. Here it is and stop spouting rubbish, unless you get China, India, the U.S. and I'd add Germany to stop polluting you're at nothing. And no we shouldn't be the candle in the dark always there to shine a light on the correct path. We should live as we are a clean nation with a small population hurting no one. Your idyllic one world one species rhetoric is pure horse crap - if as individuals we all did just one small positive thing this would be better than all the Gretta's in the world firing shoes! There has been a constant climate crisis since the 60s and were still waiting for their claims to happen. Come back to me in a few years when your prophecy comes to pass, until then less of the rubbish and we'll keep been the clean small nation we are. Although a Nuclear reactor wouldn't go astray in Ireland. Maybe fight for that extremely clean energy source, no? Anyway, your save the world mantra is futile and if I were you, maybe focus on something where your energy might actually effect some change, many would like to see some action as opposed to talk. Oh ya, while you're at it, recycle all that stuff from India and china that you have around the house  | |||
"I know this is very serious and worrisome as first new potential huge war in Europe in decades but there's bigger issues to deal with. We can't get distracted from the fact that we possibly may see this whole global civilisation of ours collapse in the coming decades as extreme weather becomes more and more prevalent. What we're seeing now may be just the beginning of that collapse with populations becoming more and more divided. The IPCC report getting released this year is really catering towards adapting to future events with more drought and harsher floods hitting many areas, which will drive populations from third and developing countries into the first world that's way of life so focused on consuming at a massive scale and is just unsustainable. Merely switching to green energy and electric cars isn't going to stop it. That's just more feeding this system so dependent on our current global system. Things are honestly not looking good at the moment, and that Paris agreement that governments said they'd try to stick to is likely a failure, with most climate scientists being very skeptical of being able to keep to below that important 2° warming mark that was still going to bring a serious change to the way our atmosphere and weather patterns work Until we can see ourselves as just another species on this planet that's past and current actions are affecting it and the ecosystem we depend on in a negative way, and who've only been here in our present form a measly few thousand years, we can't really focus on it properly. Instead, we've built up this artificial world around us dependent on constant growth for those at the very top, and even the normal people, even in us rich first world countries just so trapped by financial insecurity to be able to see past it, thinking this is the real world, where we're just given enough to feed this imagined economy so dependent on consumption and consumerism. Sorry for the depressing rant. I'm fed up with how little the governments and media seem to care about this topic, thinking it's only something minor and convincing the ordinary public that everything is fine and they should just carry on as normal and just do their jobs without worrying Simple answer for your global warming claims. Close down China and India and the U.S. If you're unable to do this then we are at nothing. We can virtue signal till the cows come home, we might even find a few more Gretta's but it's useless unless we get the factories of the world to not pollute. this has nothing to do with the conflict in the Ukraine also, but the global warming, eat man made meat brigade can go an take a big jump. Many think climate action is very important - it's called a wicked problem, one that cannot be solved with current technology, it could also be nature, it could be pollution it could be many things. One thing for sure Ireland will contribute nothing to climate, and funny enough we went from 3 Degrees by 2050 to 1.5 degrees globally hotter next year by doing nothing it will be lower again, If you ask me it gives politicians some additional rubbish to spout and do nothing about because in Ireland any efforts we make are futile. Nothing except cost people and families Thousands in extra euros per year with ZERO benefits to the environment. This is the Truth. I don't say we as Irish people. I say we as a species on this ancient planet who've grown and advanced like crazy in only a couple thousand years on this much more ancient planet during a period where we had a semi stable climate predictable enough for agriculture, and got to this point while so many primitive tribalistic instincts are still fresh in the mind, making us always want to pick sides and be part of smaller groups. We are naive apes whos curiosity and ability to work in groups has helped us advance further than any other species, but we really have lost track of reality, so deluded by this fake artificial world around us we've shaped to our own design and yet struggle to cope in it, adapted and evolved to live in a far different world. Where are you getting your numbers by the way? We'll most likely hit 1.5° average warming within the next few years probably at the next El Nino Event, but it'll be an outlier year more warning of what is to come. 2030s will see consistent years of it becoming the new norm, and yes, we're likely rocketing past the 2° soon after. Things are only going to start happening more rapidly as the oceans have warmed to the point that they're not capable of absorbing as much CO2 as they used to. So you ignore all the valid points. Here it is and stop spouting rubbish, unless you get China, India, the U.S. and I'd add Germany to stop polluting you're at nothing. And no we shouldn't be the candle in the dark always there to shine a light on the correct path. We should live as we are a clean nation with a small population hurting no one. Your idyllic one world one species rhetoric is pure horse crap - if as individuals we all did just one small positive thing this would be better than all the Gretta's in the world firing shoes! There has been a constant climate crisis since the 60s and were still waiting for their claims to happen. Come back to me in a few years when your prophecy comes to pass, until then less of the rubbish and we'll keep been the clean small nation we are. Although a Nuclear reactor wouldn't go astray in Ireland. Maybe fight for that extremely clean energy source, no? Anyway, your save the world mantra is futile and if I were you, maybe focus on something where your energy might actually effect some change, many would like to see some action as opposed to talk. Oh ya, while you're at it, recycle all that stuff from India and china that you have around the house "nailed it | |||
"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on Agree with this
We are professional fence-sitters."Had to read that twice  | |||
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" expect conscription for all EU men, yes irish men could well be sent to fight the EUs war in East europe
"I would never allow my sons to go and kill people. They to said they would rather go to jail than and lift a gun to fight so rich men can get richer. | |||
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" expect conscription for all EU men, yes irish men could well be sent to fight the EUs war in East europe
I would never allow my sons to go and kill people. They to said they would rather go to jail than and lift a gun to fight so rich men can get richer.
"How about to stop a billionaire from killing loads of poor people? | |||
"Ireland are not a neutral country as we are part of the EU, Ukraine is not Europe's problem as it is not part of the eu, if putin was to go for Latvia, Lithuania, Romania or Poland then yes it becomes our problem as they are EU members, expect conscription for all EU men, yes irish men could well be sent to fight the EUs war in East europe "I think you’re getting confused between Europe, the EU, and neutrality. Ireland is not the only country in the EU to retail their neutrality in one form or another. And just because a country is militarily neutral, it doesn’t mean they can’t be at the very least a conscientious objector to whatever they see as morally incorrect, and act accordingly. By your reasoning, it really isn’t anyones business in Europe that many innocent people will died because of this conflict as it’s far enough away so as not to make you uncomfortable, and should only be a concern as it perhaps gets a little closer to home….. Very little comfort to the people of Ukraine at the moment….. And when they’ve been “dispatched” you’re talking about conscription in Ireland? Sure let’s just all ignore it till someone shows up here eh…… | |||
"Ireland are not a neutral country as we are part of the EU, Ukraine is not Europe's problem as it is not part of the eu, if putin was to go for Latvia, Lithuania, Romania or Poland then yes it becomes our problem as they are EU members, expect conscription for all EU men, yes irish men could well be sent to fight the EUs war in East europe
I think you’re getting confused between Europe, the EU, and neutrality.
Ireland is not the only country in the EU to retail their neutrality in one form or another.
And just because a country is militarily neutral, it doesn’t mean they can’t be at the very least a conscientious objector to whatever they see as morally incorrect, and act accordingly.
By your reasoning, it really isn’t anyones business in Europe that many innocent people will died because of this conflict as it’s far enough away so as not to make you uncomfortable, and should only be a concern as it perhaps gets a little closer to home…..
Very little comfort to the people of Ukraine at the moment…..
And when they’ve been “dispatched” you’re talking about conscription in Ireland?
Sure let’s just all ignore it till someone shows up here eh……
"You're right about Ireland not being alone in neutrality... in WW2 there were many states that tried to be neutral, although nearly all picked a side when they were invited and were occupied. Its easy to claim neutrality when noone is invading you. | |||
"People really need to spend some time researching what has happened in Ukraine since the protests in 2013 that overturned the government, look at the horrors that occurred in the Donbass region and you might understand why it has come to this. If Putin is to blame he shares that blame with many others in Ukraine and the West. It's not all that it seems or is reported by the media." Whenever I see a keyboard analyst utter “research” I shudder slightly…… research in this context normally means “surfed internet”….. | |||
"Ireland are not a neutral country as we are part of the EU, Ukraine is not Europe's problem as it is not part of the eu, if putin was to go for Latvia, Lithuania, Romania or Poland then yes it becomes our problem as they are EU members, expect conscription for all EU men, yes irish men could well be sent to fight the EUs war in East europe
I think you’re getting confused between Europe, the EU, and neutrality.
Ireland is not the only country in the EU to retail their neutrality in one form or another.
And just because a country is militarily neutral, it doesn’t mean they can’t be at the very least a conscientious objector to whatever they see as morally incorrect, and act accordingly.
By your reasoning, it really isn’t anyones business in Europe that many innocent people will died because of this conflict as it’s far enough away so as not to make you uncomfortable, and should only be a concern as it perhaps gets a little closer to home…..
Very little comfort to the people of Ukraine at the moment…..
And when they’ve been “dispatched” you’re talking about conscription in Ireland?
Sure let’s just all ignore it till someone shows up here eh……
You're right about Ireland not being alone in neutrality... in WW2 there were many states that tried to be neutral, although nearly all picked a side when they were invited and were occupied. Its easy to claim neutrality when noone is invading you."Looking at more recent events the elephant in the room when it comes to Irish neutrality is Shannon airport and its usage by US forces. If you compare that to Switzerland who didn't even allow the US/UK to cross their air space during the invasion/war of/in Iraq. Anyhow but I agree that neutrality doesn't mean you can't take a stand in regards of your values and beliefs such as human rights and the principles of democracy. | |||
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"I dont believe its possible to be fully neutral" I think the game is being neutral enough that nobody thinks you're a threat... and Ireland is zero threat to anybody, so it's neutrality is largely moot | |||
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"All the covid experts are now foreign affairs experts... "And all those who are conspiracy nuts about covid are also conspiracy nuts over geopolitics. Zero surprise. | |||
"All the covid experts are now foreign affairs experts... "You don't need to be an expert to discuss politics, just look at our 'expert' politicians in power.   | |||
"Reading a green TD on Twitter explaining that while Ireland is giving money to Ukraine via The EU ...our funds wont be used to supply weapons as we're neutral...so the funds will pay for medical supplies or equipment that Ukraine needs What do you think I feel its time to get off the fence and say...Putin deserves what he gets...spend the money on whatever you feel is most needed. PS....we don't seem to have a problem with U.S army planes in Shannon for some reason " Under neutrality agreements a country claiming neutrality must have the capability to defend itself against attack Ireland has no jet fighter aircraft or missile defence systems land or sea based we depend on the UK for air cover but claiming neutrality lets the likes of the US refuel aircraft in Shannon | |||
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"There are a number of references here to the use of Shannon by the US but not so many referencing the use of the Russian embassy for other than diplomatic reasons and which is widely reported on in the media. At least lets be fair. " Obviously the FSB have an office in the embassy for intelligence gathering and yet the ambassador and his staff are not being expelled | |||
"There are a number of references here to the use of Shannon by the US but not so many referencing the use of the Russian embassy for other than diplomatic reasons and which is widely reported on in the media. At least lets be fair. " To be honest I assume The US, UK,Chinese,Russian all have their own intelligence services based in their embassies However The US military are the only one's landing at shannon I don't have a problem with that but the Irish Solution of pretending that there's no weapons on each plane is a joke | |||
"There are a number of references here to the use of Shannon by the US but not so many referencing the use of the Russian embassy for other than diplomatic reasons and which is widely reported on in the media. At least lets be To be honest I assume The US, UK,Chinese,Russian all have their own intelligence services based in their embassies However The US military are the only one's landing at shannon I don't have a problem with that but the Irish Solution of pretending that there's no weapons on each plane is a joke "
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"There are a number of references here to the use of Shannon by the US but not so many referencing the use of the Russian embassy for other than diplomatic reasons and which is widely reported on in the media. At least lets be fair. " It's no secret that that most embassies of the world have some form of intelligence gathering operations in them. Thats been happening since before the cold War. | |||
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"There are a number of references here to the use of Shannon by the US but not so many referencing the use of the Russian embassy for other than diplomatic reasons and which is widely reported on in the media. At least lets be fair. It's no secret that that most embassies of the world have some form of intelligence gathering operations in them. Thats been happening since before the cold War. " Do other countries murder and poison their opponents in other european countries too like the Russians? | |||
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"There are a number of references here to the use of Shannon by the US but not so many referencing the use of the Russian embassy for other than diplomatic reasons and which is widely reported on in the media. At least lets be fair. It's no secret that that most embassies of the world have some form of intelligence gathering operations in them. Thats been happening since before the cold War. Do other countries murder and poison their opponents in other european countries too like the Russians?" Yeah the Saudis do, they even kill them in their embassy. Can easily imagine the Mossad not being afraid of some dispatching. We just don't hear of it. | |||
"There are a number of references here to the use of Shannon by the US but not so many referencing the use of the Russian embassy for other than diplomatic reasons and which is widely reported on in the media. At least lets be fair. Obviously the FSB have an office in the embassy for intelligence gathering and yet the ambassador and his staff are not being expelled " Without evidence of intelligence gathering operations that could harm the state you can't expel them for that. | |||
"Present company excluded Im sure but people who complain about the use of Shannon by the US sometimes can often display a particularly anti American bias. The unpalatable fact for those people is that their freedoms are underpinned by a strong America. There are plenty of dead Americans in the North of France to demonstrate that. " Not complaining about it, just pointing out it's in contradiction with Ireland's neutrality and it could make it a target in a war situation. | |||
"Present company excluded Im sure but people who complain about the use of Shannon by the US sometimes can often display a particularly anti American bias. The unpalatable fact for those people is that their freedoms are underpinned by a strong America. There are plenty of dead Americans in the North of France to demonstrate that. Not complaining about it, just pointing out it's in contradiction with Ireland's neutrality and it could make it a target in a war situation. " I agree, it is in contradiction of neutrality. I also agree we could have had a very different Europe or world had it not been for American intervention in world war 2. But to condone their actions in wars since world war 2 and allow them to interfere with our neutrality based on their previous contributions isn't necessarily the right thing to do either. | |||
"There are a number of references here to the use of Shannon by the US but not so many referencing the use of the Russian embassy for other than diplomatic reasons and which is widely reported on in the media. At least lets be fair. It's no secret that that most embassies of the world have some form of intelligence gathering operations in them. Thats been happening since before the cold War. Do other countries murder and poison their opponents in other european countries too like the Russians? Yeah the Saudis do, they even kill them in their embassy. Can easily imagine the Mossad not being afraid of some dispatching. We just don't hear of it. "
Abso-fucking-lutely. Others are up to some disgusting behaviour too.
Look at Guantanamo Bay where the US bypass their own laws by holding suspects without trial even today. Offshsoring government dirty work to somewhere they can operate without restrictions. | |||
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"Reading a green TD on Twitter explaining that while Ireland is giving money to Ukraine via The EU ...our funds wont be used to supply weapons as we're neutral...so the funds will pay for medical supplies or equipment that Ukraine needs What do you think I feel its time to get off the fence and say...Putin deserves what he gets...spend the money on whatever you feel is most needed. PS....we don't seem to have a problem with U.S army planes in Shannon for some reason " I remember that then article in one papers saying we could be target of isis because of it we be fucked if there was terror attack garda are useless as it is lol | |||
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"Can easily imagine the Mossad not being afraid of some dispatching. We just don't hear of it. " There is a video of Mossad walking into a hospital and killing someone in their hospital bed. Mossd also travelled under Irish passports to carry out assassinations. CIA actually publish hit lists all the time, they even issued their hit list suits from decks of cards, the Jack of Clubs. Then had the media broadcast video footage of them killing them, mostly unarmed. Technically the killing of Osama Bin Laden was a war crime and murder as he was unarmed. The biggest problem we have today is that the USA/UK watered down the word "Defense", to mean they can attack any country they deem a threat in any way to them. Afghanistan did not attack the USA either did Iraq. Russia sat back and watched them go on the attack and when questioned say "We are not attacking them, we are defending ourselves". That is the exact, and I mean EXACT argument that russia is using now. None of us have to agree with Russia being under threat, just like none of us had to agree that Iraq was a threat to the US. All russia needs to do is say they believe Ukraine is a threat and then all the treaties people mention above, agreements are void. Russia has written in them all "unless Russia needs to defend itself", like the minsk agreement etc.. well guess what, russia does not need our approval to see something as a threat, and they did not creat that "normal", the US/UK/Israel did. France? France launched a supersonic jet attack on Syria when a terrorist set off a bomb in their country. That would be like typhons bombing Dublin after the IRA blew up a pub. This is the level of "defense" in 2022. Someone sneezes at your country and you launch missiles at them. Imagine if USA/UK said "911 was awful, our military stands ready, but our main goal is to work with law enforcment around the world and arrest all those responsbile. WE DO NOT ATTACK COUNTRIES WITH OUT MILITARY UNLESS THEIR MILITARY ATTACKS US" Russias whole argument for attacking ukraine would evaporate. France was one of the few european countries back then that tried to stop USA/UK, remember in the USA they were calling french fries "Freedom fries" instead in protest of France telling them they were acting poorly? But then France finally caved and started acting like them.. Lastly, if you think the normal Russian people are not as afraid of the war as the Ukraine people are, then you need a reality check, they are just as afraid, and want to flee from it just as bad. But we tell them "no sorry, not for you".. Even bbc admits russians want to flee the war but no where to go. Now imagine Ireland was truly neutral and said "we are dropping visa requirements for Ukraine fleeing the war, and Russians fleeing the war. There are Irish pubs in Moscow and Kiev, come to Dublin and sit in the Irish pubs together as friends"... now that would be something to be proud of, not getting up on the stage with the UK and wagging a finger at Russia. | |||
"We aren’t neutral, we are aligned, sadly I think in this day and age, we are better in the tent pissing out, than trying to piss in. During our “emergency ie WW2, how many raf crews who crash landed somehow found their northwards, and the Germans were “accommodated” in the curragh ??????????"My grandmother remembers seeing Germans who were "captured" here walking around freely and being treated like hero's. Think they were literally being "accommodated" like you say,as in curragh was an open prison for them,free all day and just came back to camp for lock up | |||
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"There's a graveyard up the Dublin mountains that I visit every now and then to sit and enjoy the peace and quiet....Its full of German military that died here after getting captured during the war on Irish soil Funny enough all the british that landed here by mistake made their way up to Northern Ireland and back home as far as I know" It's possibly also the worst place in Ireland for those bastard midges as well. I'm scratching myself now thinking about it.  | |||
"There's a graveyard up the Dublin mountains that I visit every now and then to sit and enjoy the peace and quiet....Its full of German military that died here after getting captured during the war on Irish soil Funny enough all the british that landed here by mistake made their way up to Northern Ireland and back home as far as I know It's possibly also the worst place in Ireland for those bastard midges as well. I'm scratching myself now thinking about it. "I normally go early in the morning before they wake up | |||
"There's a graveyard up the Dublin mountains that I visit every now and then to sit and enjoy the peace and quiet....Its full of German military that died here after getting captured during the war on Irish soil Funny enough all the british that landed here by mistake made their way up to Northern Ireland and back home as far as I know It's possibly also the worst place in Ireland for those bastard midges as well. I'm scratching myself now thinking about it.
I normally go early in the morning before they wake up "I've often dropped in when passing but I've probably never been there in the morning. Cool place. | |||
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"There's a graveyard up the Dublin mountains that I visit every now and then to sit and enjoy the peace and quiet....Its full of German military that died here after getting captured during the war on Irish soil Funny enough all the british that landed here by mistake made their way up to Northern Ireland and back home as far as I know" Lovely spot... Sad when you see some of the ages. Life cut short for somebody else's gain. I see RT news has been banned from mainstream social media platforms and from being broadcast in the EU with no actual evidence of misinformation. | |||
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"RT isn't banned. You can watch it right here https://www.rt.com/on-air/rt-player/ A few private platforms decided to dissallow links on their sites. Not the same as being banned." "RT and Sputnik broadcasts have been axed by some EU nations, with the European Commission readying a bloc-wide ban on the outlets over concerns about spreading misinformation relating to the military conflict in Ukraine." That's from RT. Also apple and Google have announced blocks on downloads on their app stores and from news streams. It might not be completely banned as of yet, but they are 95% there. | |||
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"I've been reading and watching RT quite a lot recently, and I haven't been hindered in the slightest. Hardly a 95% ban. I sincerely hope the EU don't try and ban a news outlet. Citizens need to have access to information, nomatter now biased, so they can make up their own minds. Banning a TV channel is something I'd expect Russia to do, not the EU. " The article is on the RT app. If you control the media you control the narrative. It's the same with history, we are taught what they want us to be taught. Go to Vietnam and visit the museums and you will see a totally different side and history to the Vietnam War. | |||
"I've been reading and watching RT quite a lot recently, and I haven't been hindered in the slightest. Hardly a 95% ban. I sincerely hope the EU don't try and ban a news outlet. Citizens need to have access to information, nomatter now biased, so they can make up their own minds. Banning a TV channel is something I'd expect Russia to do, not the EU. " RT website is banned but the TV channel is still available on astra 28.5. | |||
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"I've been reading and watching RT quite a lot recently, and I haven't been hindered in the slightest. Hardly a 95% ban. I sincerely hope the EU don't try and ban a news outlet. Citizens need to have access to information, nomatter now biased, so they can make up their own minds. Banning a TV channel is something I'd expect Russia to do, not the EU. RT website is banned but the TV channel is still available on astra 28.5." I'm reading the website now. The TV channel is still available via the official site too. Its not banned | |||
"It doesn't matter the whole world is under threat now even if he doesn't or dose occupy urkraine, I he will set up rockets along the border and have them pointing straight at Europe he wants to destroy us, Russian shops started an agreeesive chase with an American destroyer today trying to provoke it into a fight. it not about ukraine its about them wanting to become a new world order, 100000 belurus chectians are marching on urkine right now, it won't stop there, Putin is all ready saying the West shouldn't have nukes and that's his next mad excuse to go after NATO next. I suggest people you spend as much time with you family's before the big disaster strikes. I'm scared not ashamed to say it some of the images I have seen are images of hell. I hope I'm wrong but I don't have much hope now after seeing the images all over TV. " You realise that his nukes can hit all of Europe already and have been able to for more than 50 years? He doesn't need to move them to launch on us or anyone else. Having a new border to put them onakes zero difference to his capabilities. The IC in ICBM means inter-continental | |||
" expect conscription for all EU men, yes irish men could well be sent to fight the EUs war in East europe
I would never allow my sons to go and kill people. They to said they would rather go to jail than and lift a gun to fight so rich men can get richer.
How about to stop a billionaire from killing loads of poor people?"This is happening all over the world. Not just in the Ukraine. And no, I would not let them go. | |||
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"So no more Russian vodka in the distant future, apparently its part of these new sanctions against Russia, no more smirnoff or Russian standard brings a tear to my eye "Hold your tears, Smirnoff is owned by Diageo i.e. British | |||
"Ukraine should spend the money as they wish but our neutrality is important in this world." So by that definition Russia could attack Ireland and there nothing nato could do about it. And you can just imagine the mass exodus across that land border. So much for neutrality | |||
"It doesn't matter the whole world is under threat now even if he doesn't or dose occupy urkraine, I he will set up rockets along the border and have them pointing straight at Europe he wants to destroy us, Russian shops started an agreeesive chase with an American destroyer today trying to provoke it into a fight. it not about ukraine its about them wanting to become a new world order, 100000 belurus chectians are marching on urkine right now, it won't stop there, Putin is all ready saying the West shouldn't have nukes and that's his next mad excuse to go after NATO next. I suggest people you spend as much time with you family's before the big disaster strikes. I'm scared not ashamed to say it some of the images I have seen are images of hell. I hope I'm wrong but I don't have much hope now after seeing the images all over TV. You realise that his nukes can hit all of Europe already and have been able to for more than 50 years? He doesn't need to move them to launch on us or anyone else. Having a new border to put them onakes zero difference to his capabilities. The IC in ICBM means inter-continental " Just as long as someone is quick enough to fire uk and nato one’s right back at his precious Moscow. If he wants to turn me to a cinder then right back at him | |||
"So no more Russian vodka in the distant future, apparently its part of these new sanctions against Russia, no more smirnoff or Russian standard brings a tear to my eye "That’s ok there still polish vodka | |||
"So no more Russian vodka in the distant future, apparently its part of these new sanctions against Russia, no more smirnoff or Russian standard brings a tear to my eye
That’s ok there still polish vodka "Absolut Swedish vodka is way better | |||
"So no more Russian vodka in the distant future, apparently its part of these new sanctions against Russia, no more smirnoff or Russian standard brings a tear to my eye
That’s ok there still polish vodka
Absolut Swedish vodka is way better "I have tried it and agree | |||
"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on " | |||
"Reading a green TD on Twitter explaining that while Ireland is giving money to Ukraine via The EU ...our funds wont be used to supply weapons as we're neutral...so the funds will pay for medical supplies or equipment that Ukraine needs What do you think I feel its time to get off the fence and say...Putin deserves what he gets...spend the money on whatever you feel is most needed. PS....we don't seem to have a problem with U.S army planes in Shannon for some reason " I agree that we should give money to Ukraine for food, medical supplies etc but no way would I support Ireland giving money to spend on weapons. More weaponary is not going to solve this. In fact it will make it worse | |||
"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on Hear Hear! - We believe whatever narrative we are fed. The U.S have started and participated in dozens of Wars since WWII - they are like Duff beer in the simpsons - the cause and solution to all problems. the E.U. is no better of late, we agreed with Russia that Ukraine would stay independent and not join the E.U or Nato and we reneged on this promise. War is not good, and I personally feel for the Ukraine, it would be better if we all stood by our convictions. I would hope that peace will prevail, but saying this is the Russians alone is a lie where all sides are complicit. Have we learned nothing the last two years, do not believe everything you hear or read, and be very scared when we will only hear one side because the other is silenced! I'd prefer to hear what the other side are saying instead of only hearing one viewpoint. Do we not find this a little odd? " I do and you do but seems the majority are happy enough to let the media do their thinking for them | |||
"Can't be considered neutral if you take a side. We can provide humanitarian aid and remain neutral, but we aren't really neutral if we are imposing sanctions anyway. Ireland are more run with the hare and bark with the hound. We protest the wrong doings of Russia but never protest or go against the wrong doings of the US or UK. Haven't seen many posts opposing the weapons given to the Saudi's to blow the shit out of Yemen or the fact that the US are conducting air strikes in Somalia. They all act in self interest, we just go along because we know what side our bread is buttered on Hear Hear! - We believe whatever narrative we are fed. The U.S have started and participated in dozens of Wars since WWII - they are like Duff beer in the simpsons - the cause and solution to all problems. the E.U. is no better of late, we agreed with Russia that Ukraine would stay independent and not join the E.U or Nato and we reneged on this promise. War is not good, and I personally feel for the Ukraine, it would be better if we all stood by our convictions. I would hope that peace will prevail, but saying this is the Russians alone is a lie where all sides are complicit. Have we learned nothing the last two years, do not believe everything you hear or read, and be very scared when we will only hear one side because the other is silenced! I'd prefer to hear what the other side are saying instead of only hearing one viewpoint. Do we not find this a little odd? I do and you do but seems the majority are happy enough to let the media do their thinking for them " The 'legacy media' doesn't tell you how to think, they just tell you what to think about ?  | |||
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"Ireland lost its neutrality when it joined the EU. Can you imagine them telling Ursula, it's OK we are neutral so will refuel Russian warships. Little known fact is that residents of Ireland can serve in UK armed forces. " That is not a little known fact. Royal Irish regiment. Many thousands of Irish served during both world wars and still do. | |||
