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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
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People are dying and you want to criticise other countries to try and make a brexit point? ffs
Have you seen who’s been funding our government. Have you heard of the covering up of a Russian influence investigation ?
Talk about glass houses!
Germany has changed its decades old policy of non intervention to now send weapons to Ukraine. That’s some arse covering. |
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over a year ago
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
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You mean the collective group of states that carries more clout and influence than 'Global Britain' ... I wonder if Macron was ever paid £250,000 to play tennis with the wife of Putins ex finance minister? ... But hey its not dodgy money because they 'paid' the correct amount of millions to get a golden visa and citizenship, no questions asked. Or have paid a million to sit on the conservative party 'advisory board' with direct access to senior ministers.
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
You mean the collective group of states that carries more clout and influence than 'Global Britain' ... I wonder if Macron was ever paid £250,000 to play tennis with the wife of Putins ex finance minister? ... But hey its not dodgy money because they 'paid' the correct amount of millions to get a golden visa and citizenship, no questions asked. Or have paid a million to sit on the conservative party 'advisory board' with direct access to senior ministers.
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And they are disunited and would rather Ukraine suffers than they can't sell diamonds, handbags etc. I'm happier out |
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
You mean the collective group of states that carries more clout and influence than 'Global Britain' ... I wonder if Macron was ever paid £250,000 to play tennis with the wife of Putins ex finance minister? ... But hey its not dodgy money because they 'paid' the correct amount of millions to get a golden visa and citizenship, no questions asked. Or have paid a million to sit on the conservative party 'advisory board' with direct access to senior ministers.
And they are disunited and would rather Ukraine suffers than they can't sell diamonds, handbags etc. I'm happier out"
Someone hasnt been paying attention to the news ..... take the brexit blinkers off. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
You mean the collective group of states that carries more clout and influence than 'Global Britain' ... I wonder if Macron was ever paid £250,000 to play tennis with the wife of Putins ex finance minister? ... But hey its not dodgy money because they 'paid' the correct amount of millions to get a golden visa and citizenship, no questions asked. Or have paid a million to sit on the conservative party 'advisory board' with direct access to senior ministers.
And they are disunited and would rather Ukraine suffers than they can't sell diamonds, handbags etc. I'm happier out"
They are more united than your "United" kingdom.
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over a year ago
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
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Well considering what has happened upto now, that is clearly BS, those countries in the EU have stepped up. Maybe the benefit of Brexit was that the EU didn’t need to deal with us and our stupidity, ever think of that? |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
Well considering what has happened upto now, that is clearly BS, those countries in the EU have stepped up. Maybe the benefit of Brexit was that the EU didn’t need to deal with us and our stupidity, ever think of that?"
It’s not a competition ffs as I see it the EU and the uk are stepping up and so is the rest of the world but by bit.
Every country has to make sure they are not breaking rules of engagement as per treaties ect so as not to give the Warmonger Putin cause for retaliation.
The time will come soon enough but that’s not a reason to escalate it faster than it needs.
Best we can hope dem is for one of his generals to pop a bullet between his eyes at the moment.
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
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You realise that every single EU mrmber, and that included the UK prior to Brexit, is sovereign? If anything, being in the EU is the best way to put pressure on others so they would follow your lead?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
Well considering what has happened upto now, that is clearly BS, those countries in the EU have stepped up. Maybe the benefit of Brexit was that the EU didn’t need to deal with us and our stupidity, ever think of that?
It’s not a competition ffs as I see it the EU and the uk are stepping up and so is the rest of the world but by bit.
Every country has to make sure they are not breaking rules of engagement as per treaties ect so as not to give the Warmonger Putin cause for retaliation.
The time will come soon enough but that’s not a reason to escalate it faster than it needs.
Best we can hope dem is for one of his generals to pop a bullet between his eyes at the moment.
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Everyday Russians need to see the kleptocracy around them, where the money has been siphoned off and kept in western countries, the West need to open the books and show where their money has been spent on their oiigarchs on luxury Yachts and mansions in London. Whilst they a desperately scrambling to get money out of the bank, they need to know where their stolen money has gone. When someone finds out they have been robbed is a far more stronger message than saying Russians soldiers are fighting. Follow the money open the books and show how they have been robbed over the past 30 years. They will be so pissed off. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
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EU stepping up? Two weeks too late and they know it. Just how do you get 4000 anti tank weapons and 500 stinger into Ukraine now? They'll have to fight their way in actually using the weapons supplied.
Nice to see the Ukrainian soldiers using using Russian captured shoulder launched weapons against the invaders. Not sure leaning them up against a wall was a wise idea though. |
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"EU stepping up? Two weeks too late and they know it. Just how do you get 4000 anti tank weapons and 500 stinger into Ukraine now? They'll have to fight their way in actually using the weapons supplied.
Nice to see the Ukrainian soldiers using using Russian captured shoulder launched weapons against the invaders. Not sure leaning them up against a wall was a wise idea though. "
Nothing is impossible, what is it necessity is the mother of invention. |
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"EU stepping up? Two weeks too late and they know it. Just how do you get 4000 anti tank weapons and 500 stinger into Ukraine now? They'll have to fight their way in actually using the weapons supplied.
Nice to see the Ukrainian soldiers using using Russian captured shoulder launched weapons against the invaders. Not sure leaning them up against a wall was a wise idea though. "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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The uk were out there training their troop and supplying anti tank missiles as soon as it was clear the Russians were going to invade the Eu sent a few thousand helmets now thank god the eu has stepped up lets hope its not too late. The uk called for the banning of swift along with the usa ages ago the u opposed it now the eu has stepped up again.The uk are one step ahead of the eu every time thats the benefit of being outside the eu. |
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
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Most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum. And there has been some utterly ridiculous bullshit on here. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"The uk were out there training their troop and supplying anti tank missiles as soon as it was clear the Russians were going to invade the Eu sent a few thousand helmets now thank god the eu has stepped up lets hope its not too late. The uk called for the banning of swift along with the usa ages ago the u opposed it now the eu has stepped up again.The uk are one step ahead of the eu every time thats the benefit of being outside the eu. "
So which of those things would not have been possible when the UK was part of the EU ?
Isn't there an old saying that "together we are stronger" ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some of these posts haven’t aged well!"
I know, unfortunately some of the Brexit supporters are so desperate to find any benefits they will post anything , sad to see  |
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We're stuck in a country that is run by politicians who welcomed donations piped directly from Moscow to finance the brexit campaign. Brexit was bought and paid for by Putin in order to increase dissent in Europe and weaken NATO. It doesn't matter in the slightest whether there might or might not be some "over the rainbow" eventual benefits to the DisUnited Kingdom, what is most important is that Putin wanted the EU to break up.
Without russian dictatorship money brexit would never have happened. There might well have still been some rearrangement and adjustment of rules, to the benefit of all (and yes, I'm sure this would have been a good thing). But EU would be stronger, NATO would be stronger, and we probably wouldn't be on the verge with nutcases threatening to chuck nuclear fire about... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"the conservative and unionist government, just as they were at the onset of covid, are racing to catch up with the implementation of meaningful measures by the EU to counter the hostilities by russia in ukraine. it's blatently clear that brexiting has not allowed any discernable action by the conservative and unionist government that was not open to it prior to brexit. yet another sold brexit pup exposed. "
Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur. |
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"Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur. "
complete ideological brextremist nonsense. this just regurgitates the same old hate for the sake of hate. time for some to let go of that hate and move on. |
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"the conservative and unionist government, just as they were at the onset of covid, are racing to catch up with the implementation of meaningful measures by the EU to counter the hostilities by russia in ukraine. it's blatently clear that brexiting has not allowed any discernable action by the conservative and unionist government that was not open to it prior to brexit. yet another sold brexit pup exposed. Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur. "
As this has been turned into a ‘competition’ it is obvious that the sanctions imposed by the EU will have a far more damaging affect for Russia than what the UK has imposed |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"the conservative and unionist government, just as they were at the onset of covid, are racing to catch up with the implementation of meaningful measures by the EU to counter the hostilities by russia in ukraine. it's blatently clear that brexiting has not allowed any discernable action by the conservative and unionist government that was not open to it prior to brexit. yet another sold brexit pup exposed. Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur. "
So the EU ordered British troops into Iraq ? |
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"the conservative and unionist government, just as they were at the onset of covid, are racing to catch up with the implementation of meaningful measures by the EU to counter the hostilities by russia in ukraine. it's blatently clear that brexiting has not allowed any discernable action by the conservative and unionist government that was not open to it prior to brexit. yet another sold brexit pup exposed. Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur.
So the EU ordered British troops into Iraq ?"
That was mr blair. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"the conservative and unionist government, just as they were at the onset of covid, are racing to catch up with the implementation of meaningful measures by the EU to counter the hostilities by russia in ukraine. it's blatently clear that brexiting has not allowed any discernable action by the conservative and unionist government that was not open to it prior to brexit. yet another sold brexit pup exposed. Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur.
So the EU ordered British troops into Iraq ?
That was mr blair."
Without permission from the EU !! Shock horror that wasn't allowed |
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over a year ago
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy. "
They will to try harder |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy.
They will to try harder "
Have to |
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy. "
Everyone wants to join the EU. Huge benefits for any country who makes it in.
Imagine a country being so stupid that they wanted to leave.  |
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy.
Everyone wants to join the EU. Huge benefits for any country who makes it in.
Imagine a country being so stupid that they wanted to leave. "
The Ukraine obviously really appreciates what the EU have done for them recently |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy.
Everyone wants to join the EU. Huge benefits for any country who makes it in.
Imagine a country being so stupid that they wanted to leave. "
So in a time where people and families are dying. Over something they have no control over your making it all about fing brexit 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
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Lets exploit our benefits of not been in the EU and unlike the EU where it looks like they will grant Ukranians 3ys Asylum ubder EU emergency rules.
We can take advantage of been able to make our 'own rules' so lets be really a Global Britain, lead by exmple and grant 5yrs Asylum, no bugger it indefinate leave to stay for ANY Ukranian fleeing the Russian Apocolypse |
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy.
Everyone wants to join the EU. Huge benefits for any country who makes it in.
Imagine a country being so stupid that they wanted to leave.
So in a time where people and families are dying. Over something they have no control over your making it all about fing brexit
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The OP has, |
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
Lets exploit our benefits of not been in the EU and unlike the EU where it looks like they will grant Ukranians 3ys Asylum ubder EU emergency rules.
We can take advantage of been able to make our 'own rules' so lets be really a Global Britain, lead by exmple and grant 5yrs Asylum, no bugger it indefinate leave to stay for ANY Ukranian fleeing the Russian Apocolypse"
What are they currently offering? |
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy.
Everyone wants to join the EU. Huge benefits for any country who makes it in.
Imagine a country being so stupid that they wanted to leave.
So in a time where people and families are dying. Over something they have no control over your making it all about fing brexit
The OP has, "
Yeah. Please direct your Ire to the OP. |
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"We're not stuck in a group with members that's more concerned about covering it's own arse?
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Act your age, not your shoe size.
People are dying and you are attempting to sell brexit or some other halfwit statement.
Just when you think you've heard it all, then you pop along. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy. "
Once this is all over and hopefully Ukraine is still independent, maybe the EU will bend its rules to allow them to join. It will be very expensive to rebuild the country afterwards so a perfect job for the EU |
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy.
Everyone wants to join the EU. Huge benefits for any country who makes it in.
Imagine a country being so stupid that they wanted to leave.
So in a time where people and families are dying. Over something they have no control over your making it all about fing brexit
The OP has,
Yeah. Please direct your Ire to the OP."
No, I have merely pointed out a benefit to Brexit. Something that the self righteous keep calling for. The ability to respond quickly to aid Ukraine without the internal squabbles of a group of 27. I accept we should've done more, sooner but I'm happy to acknowledge that. Not once, on any related thread do I recall the usual suspects even hinting at such am acknowledgement towards the EU. |
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considering that indiviual eu members demonstrated that they are able to implement sanctions unilateraly, the lie told by brextremist leavers that this was not possible while we were members has been exposed as just that, a lie. then while the brextremist conservative and unionist party government were bogged down in a slow bloated crawl to implement sanctions on 3 people, the EU was moving swiftly with a list of people to sanction numbering in excess of 350. even today the brextremist conservative and unionist party government is slowly lumbering far behind with a list some 200 short of those targeted by the nimble EU. |
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"It looks like Ukraine will be joining the EU
That will piss turkey off.
Maybe,
They have been trying for decades with no joy.
Everyone wants to join the EU. Huge benefits for any country who makes it in.
Imagine a country being so stupid that they wanted to leave.
So in a time where people and families are dying. Over something they have no control over your making it all about fing brexit
The OP has,
Yeah. Please direct your Ire to the OP.
No, I have merely pointed out a benefit to Brexit. Something that the self righteous keep calling for. The ability to respond quickly to aid Ukraine without the internal squabbles of a group of 27. I accept we should've done more, sooner but I'm happy to acknowledge that. Not once, on any related thread do I recall the usual suspects even hinting at such am acknowledgement towards the EU."
Lol. I don't know if you're making fun of the kind of misunderstanding brexit people have.
Regardless, there are people out there who still think Brexit is a good idea. And some of them have have absolutely no idea what the EU is, and how it works. Which is utterly mind boggling. |
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over a year ago
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We get most of our gas from Norway. There’s an agreement that should the EU experience gas shortages (like the forthcoming one due to Russia cutting supplies) then they have to cut supplies to full the gap in the Eu
Brexit keeps on giving |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"We get most of our gas from Norway. There’s an agreement that should the EU experience gas shortages (like the forthcoming one due to Russia cutting supplies) then they have to cut supplies to full the gap in the Eu
Brexit keeps on giving "
Fuck me you’re obsessed 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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news report from 2016
Leading Brexiteers have called for better relations with Russia. Six months ago, Boris Johnson urged Britain to work more closely with Russia in fighting so-called Islamic State in Syria.
He concluded: "It is just not true that whatever is good for Putin must automatically be bad for the West".
The Kremlin will have taken note.
It seems they did take note ......... |
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within 4 hours half eu members states have already approved fast tracking for ukraines application to candidate country status. that's a very very swift reaction indeed. meanwhile the dinosaur that is the brextremist conservative and unionist party government of the uk bumble along dithering on it's descision wether to allow refugees to apply for fruit picking visas before they are considered for entry into uk as they flee the war or just refuse them entry full stop.  |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Boris late last year stated we are cutting back two thirds of our fighter jet numbers as war in Europe involving tanks and planes is not going very unlikely to happen anymore. Great foresight.
According to the I news. Freeport’s will not have to disclose publicly who owns the business in those Freeport’s.
With all the dirty money slushing through this country and the shame it has brought upon us is this more Tory sleeze being quietly passed through Parliament while our eyes are averted?
Why the secrecy if nothing to hide?
More secret cash? |
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According to the I news. Freeport’s will not have to disclose publicly who owns the business in those Freeport’s.
With all the dirty money slushing through this country and the shame it has brought upon us is this more Tory sleeze being quietly passed through Parliament while our eyes are averted?
Why the secrecy if nothing to hide?
More secret cash? "
only if comrade boris johnski and chums dishes out the uk passports to those wishing to buy property in londongrad and moscow on thames. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur.
complete ideological brextremist nonsense. this just regurgitates the same old hate for the sake of hate. time for some to let go of that hate and move on. "
Nothing to with hate, read the title of the thread i was responding to that.The uk can act faster than the eu its a simple fact. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur.
complete ideological brextremist nonsense. this just regurgitates the same old hate for the sake of hate. time for some to let go of that hate and move on. Nothing to with hate, read the title of the thread i was responding to that.The uk can act faster than the eu its a simple fact."
All countries in the European Union can act faster individually and are free to do so , however when the EU does act it has far more influence and strength than the U.K. on its own. I think that’s fact too. |
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"Nothing to with hate, read the title of the thread i was responding to that."
nope .... you quoted my post and bitched about it and then in an outburst of hate made up some falsehoods about the EU in a failed attempt to give them gravitas. |
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"Total rubbish if the uk was still in the eu it would not have gone alone on these measures the eu "all together" mantra would have prevailed as usual and you know that as its the way it works and if you dare break ranks they find ways to punish you just look at Hungary and poland.I see they are again following the uk by now shutting down air space again too slow but thats what happens when you want to show unity. Their "protect the principles of the eu" has turned them into a dinosaur.
complete ideological brextremist nonsense. this just regurgitates the same old hate for the sake of hate. time for some to let go of that hate and move on. Nothing to with hate, read the title of the thread i was responding to that.The uk can act faster than the eu its a simple fact."
Not a fact. Utter nonsense and has no bearing in reality. |
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over a year ago
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I would agree that the UK can act faster than the EU as can France, Germany, Spain or in fact, any country within the EU given that they are all sovereign.
It is the impact of the action of the EU that is more important as 27 countries acting together are obviously saying more that any one individual country (be the the UK, France, Germany etc.).
The EU has show itself to be more than simply a trading entity - needs must.
It is a funny twist of fate that the EU has been able to make decisions that had the UK still been part of it, would have been vetoed. The visas for refugees are just one example.
Farage and his cronies probably held back a lot of decisions in the EU with their vetoes for the sake of simple disruption.
I wonder if one of the Brexit benefits that will be touted is going to be a stronger EU? |
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"This thread just highlights how people still have no clue what the EU is, what it's for, and what it does.
To be fair I'm not sure anyone has a clue...or ever has."
It's pretty basic. Wikipedia tells you those things. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
So the ROI gets hauled in because its a member of the EU, or does it stay neutral. Does the EU control the nuclear weapons held by France, no. Some of the states did act independently at the outset, the EU sanctions are in addition to the member states actions. All the states kept their military out of EU business, and technically still have. |
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