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"So are you saying it's ok to invade a sovereign nation " Read it again. You'll see that I'm not. | |||
"So are you saying it's ok to invade a sovereign nation Read it again. You'll see that I'm not." Simplify it then | |||
"So are you saying it's ok to invade a sovereign nation Read it again. You'll see that I'm not. Simplify it then" Not sure why I need to - but just for you. If it isn't ok for Russia to invade another country - why is it ok for the USA to do it? Russia / Ukraine - wrong. USA / Iraq - right. Sorry, but I can't make it any simpler than that. | |||
"So are you saying it's ok to invade a sovereign nation Read it again. You'll see that I'm not. Simplify it then Not sure why I need to - but just for you. If it isn't ok for Russia to invade another country - why is it ok for the USA to do it? Russia / Ukraine - wrong. USA / Iraq - right. Sorry, but I can't make it any simpler than that." Thanks for making it easy for my clearly thick brain to understand. When did the USA invade Iraq | |||
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"So are you saying it's ok to invade a sovereign nation Read it again. You'll see that I'm not. Simplify it then Not sure why I need to - but just for you. If it isn't ok for Russia to invade another country - why is it ok for the USA to do it? Russia / Ukraine - wrong. USA / Iraq - right. Sorry, but I can't make it any simpler than that. Thanks for making it easy for my clearly thick brain to understand. When did the USA invade Iraq " Rather than remove my previous post I immediately apologise. My definition was incorrect | |||
"So are you saying it's ok to invade a sovereign nation Read it again. You'll see that I'm not. Simplify it then Not sure why I need to - but just for you. If it isn't ok for Russia to invade another country - why is it ok for the USA to do it? Russia / Ukraine - wrong. USA / Iraq - right. Sorry, but I can't make it any simpler than that. Thanks for making it easy for my clearly thick brain to understand. When did the USA invade Iraq " Really? Once in 1991 and once in 2003. They didn't do it alone; but they did do it. | |||
"This is going to be a popcorn night. "No - it really isn't. LOL | |||
"I'll pull up a chair....." Don't bother. LOL | |||
"I'll pull up a chair..... Don't bother. LOL" 1-0 back of the net. | |||
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"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all." Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all." | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. " Democracy is supposed to be perfect and fair to all, political democracy is for the few in the big chair. | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. Democracy is supposed to be perfect and fair to all, political democracy is for the few in the big chair." Yep
International law is how America dictates | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. Democracy is supposed to be perfect and fair to all, political democracy is for the few in the big chair." I disagree, democracy will always be a work in progress, it lives, it breathes and its fragile, but importantly its progressive. Yes mistakes and problems happen, but it's important to know it is recognised and it can be fixed and rectified. Autocracies may appear strong but the foundations are weak, because they sow the seeds of their own destruction. Looking at a historical perspective, Alexander's empire disintegrated after he died, Napoleon's Empire his hubris thought he could fight on multiple fronts. There are so many examples from history that show empires rise, empires falls where single leaders feel they are invincible. | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. Democracy is supposed to be perfect and fair to all, political democracy is for the few in the big chair. I disagree, democracy will always be a work in progress, it lives, it breathes and its fragile, but importantly its progressive. Yes mistakes and problems happen, but it's important to know it is recognised and it can be fixed and rectified. Autocracies may appear strong but the foundations are weak, because they sow the seeds of their own destruction. Looking at a historical perspective, Alexander's empire disintegrated after he died, Napoleon's Empire his hubris thought he could fight on multiple fronts. There are so many examples from history that show empires rise, empires falls where single leaders feel they are invincible. " Compliant lost followers who do not understand make leaders. | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. Democracy is supposed to be perfect and fair to all, political democracy is for the few in the big chair. I disagree, democracy will always be a work in progress, it lives, it breathes and its fragile, but importantly its progressive. Yes mistakes and problems happen, but it's important to know it is recognised and it can be fixed and rectified. Autocracies may appear strong but the foundations are weak, because they sow the seeds of their own destruction. Looking at a historical perspective, Alexander's empire disintegrated after he died, Napoleon's Empire his hubris thought he could fight on multiple fronts. There are so many examples from history that show empires rise, empires falls where single leaders feel they are invincible. Compliant lost followers who do not understand make leaders. " happy? | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. " You're missing the point and discussing a different one. Of course, you are right that we enjoy freedoms that those who don't live in democracies do not. However, at a government level - even though we can change our governments - the international rules do not apply when they do not suit your policies. On a much smaller - domestic - scale, our own government has proved that in spades, lately. As I've said, the argument here is not whether or not democracy is better than autocracy - it clearly is, for the bulk of the population, at least; if not, it might be argued, for getting things done. The point I was making is; even though our way is better, more ideal - how can we expect other nations to come round to that notion when we do not apply the rules we promote and claim to cherish, in every case, equally; including to ourselves? It seems clear, from history post-WWII, that none of the major powers have done so; nor quite a number of the smaller ones either. It's this hypocrisy - all round - that dooms humanity to conflict. | |||
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"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. You're missing the point and discussing a different one. Of course, you are right that we enjoy freedoms that those who don't live in democracies do not. However, at a government level - even though we can change our governments - the international rules do not apply when they do not suit your policies. On a much smaller - domestic - scale, our own government has proved that in spades, lately. As I've said, the argument here is not whether or not democracy is better than autocracy - it clearly is, for the bulk of the population, at least; if not, it might be argued, for getting things done. The point I was making is; even though our way is better, more ideal - how can we expect other nations to come round to that notion when we do not apply the rules we promote and claim to cherish, in every case, equally; including to ourselves? It seems clear, from history post-WWII, that none of the major powers have done so; nor quite a number of the smaller ones either. It's this hypocrisy - all round - that dooms humanity to conflict." Again democracy isn’t perfect, but we need better leaders. | |||
"How is democracy working for the native American Indian population" How is it working in Northern Ireland? | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. You're missing the point and discussing a different one. Of course, you are right that we enjoy freedoms that those who don't live in democracies do not. However, at a government level - even though we can change our governments - the international rules do not apply when they do not suit your policies. On a much smaller - domestic - scale, our own government has proved that in spades, lately. As I've said, the argument here is not whether or not democracy is better than autocracy - it clearly is, for the bulk of the population, at least; if not, it might be argued, for getting things done. The point I was making is; even though our way is better, more ideal - how can we expect other nations to come round to that notion when we do not apply the rules we promote and claim to cherish, in every case, equally; including to ourselves? It seems clear, from history post-WWII, that none of the major powers have done so; nor quite a number of the smaller ones either. It's this hypocrisy - all round - that dooms humanity to conflict. Again democracy isn’t perfect, but we need better leaders. " Indeed we do - and we need a more representative form of democracy to get them; otherwise we can expect FPTP to keep supplying us all with the utter dross that the minority favour. | |||
"Is it still a thing? Was it Ever? If it doesn't apply to all countries equally, what moral legitimacy does it have? The USA, the UK, China, Russia France and Israel - to name only six offenders - are all guilty of disregarding those rules. Indeed, they break them with impunity because they know they can; whilst - particularly hypocritically, in the case of the USA and UK - condemning others for doing so. Boris said in Parliament that Putin must be shown that "might is right" must be shown to fail. It's a worthy statement - but how, exactly? How can we expect China and Russia to buy into such a notion, when the USA and Israel - to pick just two - clearly do not ascribe to it? Indeed, is it not time to just call it the Western Rules Based Order? After all, in reality, that's all it is - and it's all it's ever going to be; if it lasts at all. Democracy vs Autocracy?, Funny thing is this, we choose our governments, if things go bad there's a ballot box and we have a chance to get rid of the offending leader. Autocracy that doesn't happen, its my way or the High way. People can move governments in Democracy, In Autocracies Governments Move people. People say why there is hypocrisy, we did this, as least in this country and other democracies we can say this without being put into prison or worse, in autocracies you try that and see how quick the police state suppress dissent. Yes Democracy isn't perfect, but a damn sight better than living in an autocracy. But feel free to book your tickets and visit those lovely Autocratic countries, don't take my word for it. You're missing the point and discussing a different one. Of course, you are right that we enjoy freedoms that those who don't live in democracies do not. However, at a government level - even though we can change our governments - the international rules do not apply when they do not suit your policies. On a much smaller - domestic - scale, our own government has proved that in spades, lately. As I've said, the argument here is not whether or not democracy is better than autocracy - it clearly is, for the bulk of the population, at least; if not, it might be argued, for getting things done. The point I was making is; even though our way is better, more ideal - how can we expect other nations to come round to that notion when we do not apply the rules we promote and claim to cherish, in every case, equally; including to ourselves? It seems clear, from history post-WWII, that none of the major powers have done so; nor quite a number of the smaller ones either. It's this hypocrisy - all round - that dooms humanity to conflict. Again democracy isn’t perfect, but we need better leaders. Indeed we do - and we need a more representative form of democracy to get them; otherwise we can expect FPTP to keep supplying us all with the utter dross that the minority favour." Who knows now? After this, then a hard look at where we want to be democratically and how do we safeguard our democracy from the populists who feel autocracy is they way. | |||
"How is democracy working for the native American Indian population How is it working in Northern Ireland? " As you well know it's a fucking joke | |||
