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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality? |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?"
new normal or way its always been? You mention the torys only getting 40% of the vote to get a majority how many uk govs have ever been in power where the majority of the country voted for them? Also any idea how many of us who could of voted last time actually botherd?i see you reside in france so why are you botherd whats going on over here,your golden mate you live in the e.u |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?new normal or way its always been? You mention the torys only getting 40% of the vote to get a majority how many uk govs have ever been in power where the majority of the country voted for them? Also any idea how many of us who could of voted last time actually botherd?i see you reside in france so why are you botherd whats going on over here,your golden mate you live in the e.u"
Yes - glad I moved to France when I did and also have dual nationality which is even better but that doesn't stop me caring about the country I grew up in, lived and worked in for most of my life!
I also still get a vote in the UK which I use.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?new normal or way its always been? You mention the torys only getting 40% of the vote to get a majority how many uk govs have ever been in power where the majority of the country voted for them? Also any idea how many of us who could of voted last time actually botherd?i see you reside in france so why are you botherd whats going on over here,your golden mate you live in the e.u
Yes - glad I moved to France when I did and also have dual nationality which is even better but that doesn't stop me caring about the country I grew up in, lived and worked in for most of my life!
I also still get a vote in the UK which I use.
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would you like to answer how many govs we have had where the majority of the country has voted for them? Its nothing new when you have as many partys to vote for like we do its very unlikley that we will get a gov the majority has voted for,perhaps all those other partys should of formed a coalition to keep boris out or did they not have the numbers to do that? |
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"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?"
It might just be that most rational people simply accept that a little extra paperwork ( potentially just one piece of paper ) makes little or no difference to our trade with the EU or vice versa . Lorry drivers on Continental haulage are not experiencing any difficulty unless there are errors on their paperwork. The simple solution is to get it correct in the first instance.
Just because a small minority constantly state that Boris is a liar does not mean that it is true.
His talent is self explanatory. An 80 seat majority, a successfull Brexit programme and a world leading vaccination programme.
I do not see many successfull businnesses ( if any ) complaining about Brexit . They look to the future, not the past .
It is interesting to note that the Good Law Project had to apologise to Matt Hancock for falsely claiming they they had won a court case against him . Matt Hancock stayed " I welcome this apology from Jolyn Maugham for the untruthful statement he put out yesterday. The public should note that the Good Law Projects claims are frequently untrue . |
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"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality? It might just be that most rational people simply accept that a little extra paperwork ( potentially just one piece of paper ) makes little or no difference to our trade with the EU or vice versa . Lorry drivers on Continental haulage are not experiencing any difficulty unless there are errors on their paperwork. The simple solution is to get it correct in the first instance.
Just because a small minority constantly state that Boris is a liar does not mean that it is true.
His talent is self explanatory. An 80 seat majority, a successfull Brexit programme and a world leading vaccination programme.
I do not see many successfull businnesses ( if any ) complaining about Brexit . They look to the future, not the past .
It is interesting to note that the Good Law Project had to apologise to Matt Hancock for falsely claiming they they had won a court case against him . Matt Hancock stayed " I welcome this apology from Jolyn Maugham for the untruthful statement he put out yesterday. The public should note that the Good Law Projects claims are frequently untrue . "
This has to be a pisstake no?
Haha.
My favourite part is: "Just because a small minority constantly state that Boris is a liar does not mean that it is true. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?"
JRM is the minister for propaganda, his ‘letter’ to The Sun ‘readers’ was both hilarious and desperate |
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"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality? It might just be that most rational people simply accept that a little extra paperwork ( potentially just one piece of paper ) makes little or no difference to our trade with the EU or vice versa . Lorry drivers on Continental haulage are not experiencing any difficulty unless there are errors on their paperwork. The simple solution is to get it correct in the first instance.
Just because a small minority constantly state that Boris is a liar does not mean that it is true.
His talent is self explanatory. An 80 seat majority, a successfull Brexit programme and a world leading vaccination programme.
I do not see many successfull businnesses ( if any ) complaining about Brexit . They look to the future, not the past .
It is interesting to note that the Good Law Project had to apologise to Matt Hancock for falsely claiming they they had won a court case against him . Matt Hancock stayed " I welcome this apology from Jolyn Maugham for the untruthful statement he put out yesterday. The public should note that the Good Law Projects claims are frequently untrue . "
This is comedy gold , how many profile have you got Pat |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit."
Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit."
Elphicke is as thick as shit, she thinks that the border problems are a good thing because they have created jobs |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context"
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. "
Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago  ok |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok"
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
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"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?"
It is not the norm for democracy, but it is spot on for political democracy.
There is a difference between the 2 and the latter is what we have. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
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well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures. "
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures. "
Think he’s referring to the cost of the container getting here not what’s in it?? If I’m wrong I’ll say so but the figures for shipping look around the right mark. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! "
I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations.  |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations. "
It is the cost of the shipment as the value is in excess of £20k for oranges
I have been a buyer of freight from the container lines on this route for over 10 years and for the last two years the costs have increased dramatically, directly due to Brexit . Remember we don’t just say oh ok then that’s fine they have to show proof before we agree to increase so we and above a contract.
Our shipping costs have gone up outside the EU but they were down directly to Covid and and backlog on deep sea trades which take months to catch up from a stop of even two weeks. Those trades are long and complicated. The west buying so much shit from the far east was the ultimate cause. Also profiteering by the Chinese was major factor.
The European container market can catch up much quicker so isn’t as badly affected . Most European containers stay in Europe on round trip routes. Especially if they are owned by short sea operators so are not out of place for long.
Regarding costs , It’s not just paperwork which can be a few hundred quid per box for food. it’s delays in that paperwork by customs and clearance companies and the delays cause delays for trucks so they earn less and have to charge more . The terminals have containers waiting and delayed due to customs so again increased costs . The shipping lines themselves have extra processes to deal and also deal with the authorities and their own increased paperwork and coats . The ships are delayed due to paperwork processes so need to charge more. Shortage of drivers so haulage rates in the U.K. up.
I genuinely don’t think many people realise how costly customs processes have made trade with the EU. It’s not just fill in a form! That 1400 won’t be a mile off but my estimate would be closer to £900 -1000 in reality
Oh and fuel recently gone up so that’s coming into the future increases .
It’s crap for the U.K. when we certainly could do without it right now.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations.
It is the cost of the shipment as the value is in excess of £20k for oranges
I have been a buyer of freight from the container lines on this route for over 10 years and for the last two years the costs have increased dramatically, directly due to Brexit . Remember we don’t just say oh ok then that’s fine they have to show proof before we agree to increase so we and above a contract.
Our shipping costs have gone up outside the EU but they were down directly to Covid and and backlog on deep sea trades which take months to catch up from a stop of even two weeks. Those trades are long and complicated. The west buying so much shit from the far east was the ultimate cause. Also profiteering by the Chinese was major factor.
The European container market can catch up much quicker so isn’t as badly affected . Most European containers stay in Europe on round trip routes. Especially if they are owned by short sea operators so are not out of place for long.
Regarding costs , It’s not just paperwork which can be a few hundred quid per box for food. it’s delays in that paperwork by customs and clearance companies and the delays cause delays for trucks so they earn less and have to charge more . The terminals have containers waiting and delayed due to customs so again increased costs . The shipping lines themselves have extra processes to deal and also deal with the authorities and their own increased paperwork and coats . The ships are delayed due to paperwork processes so need to charge more. Shortage of drivers so haulage rates in the U.K. up.
I genuinely don’t think many people realise how costly customs processes have made trade with the EU. It’s not just fill in a form! That 1400 won’t be a mile off but my estimate would be closer to £900 -1000 in reality
Oh and fuel recently gone up so that’s coming into the future increases .
It’s crap for the U.K. when we certainly could do without it right now.
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Well i will get back to you on the costs as will check with my mates at goldstar next time i see them down the pub.
I dont see ships being delayed waiting for lorries to sort their paper work out, i see the ferry everyday and it sails at the same time without fail. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations.
It is the cost of the shipment as the value is in excess of £20k for oranges
I have been a buyer of freight from the container lines on this route for over 10 years and for the last two years the costs have increased dramatically, directly due to Brexit . Remember we don’t just say oh ok then that’s fine they have to show proof before we agree to increase so we and above a contract.
Our shipping costs have gone up outside the EU but they were down directly to Covid and and backlog on deep sea trades which take months to catch up from a stop of even two weeks. Those trades are long and complicated. The west buying so much shit from the far east was the ultimate cause. Also profiteering by the Chinese was major factor.
The European container market can catch up much quicker so isn’t as badly affected . Most European containers stay in Europe on round trip routes. Especially if they are owned by short sea operators so are not out of place for long.
Regarding costs , It’s not just paperwork which can be a few hundred quid per box for food. it’s delays in that paperwork by customs and clearance companies and the delays cause delays for trucks so they earn less and have to charge more . The terminals have containers waiting and delayed due to customs so again increased costs . The shipping lines themselves have extra processes to deal and also deal with the authorities and their own increased paperwork and coats . The ships are delayed due to paperwork processes so need to charge more. Shortage of drivers so haulage rates in the U.K. up.
I genuinely don’t think many people realise how costly customs processes have made trade with the EU. It’s not just fill in a form! That 1400 won’t be a mile off but my estimate would be closer to £900 -1000 in reality
Oh and fuel recently gone up so that’s coming into the future increases .
It’s crap for the U.K. when we certainly could do without it right now.
Well i will get back to you on the costs as will check with my mates at goldstar next time i see them down the pub.
I dont see ships being delayed waiting for lorries to sort their paper work out, i see the ferry everyday and it sails at the same time without fail."
The ships involved are usually around 700 TEU container ships . Do you see many of those ?? They are not ferries!!
Yes I know Goldstar and whilst the do get involved in short sea I think you’ll find they do a lot more of line haul for deep sea carriers. It pays better. 
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a successfull Brexit programme "
I'd like to hear more from this chap. It's really fucking funny.
Side note, I prefer the comedy posts to the copy and paste jobs from fringe Brit-hating websites. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?new normal or way its always been? You mention the torys only getting 40% of the vote to get a majority how many uk govs have ever been in power where the majority of the country voted for them? Also any idea how many of us who could of voted last time actually botherd?i see you reside in france so why are you botherd whats going on over here,your golden mate you live in the e.u
Yes - glad I moved to France when I did and also have dual nationality which is even better but that doesn't stop me caring about the country I grew up in, lived and worked in for most of my life!
I also still get a vote in the UK which I use.
would you like to answer how many govs we have had where the majority of the country has voted for them? Its nothing new when you have as many partys to vote for like we do its very unlikley that we will get a gov the majority has voted for,perhaps all those other partys should of formed a coalition to keep boris out or did they not have the numbers to do that?"
Going back to 1918 the only time the majority voted for the winning party was when the conservatives got just over 60% of the vote in 1931. Since then the closest has been conservative at 49.7% (1955) . Labour's best share is 48.8% (1951) when actually the conservatives won the most seats just to confuse things |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?new normal or way its always been? You mention the torys only getting 40% of the vote to get a majority how many uk govs have ever been in power where the majority of the country voted for them? Also any idea how many of us who could of voted last time actually botherd?i see you reside in france so why are you botherd whats going on over here,your golden mate you live in the e.u
Yes - glad I moved to France when I did and also have dual nationality which is even better but that doesn't stop me caring about the country I grew up in, lived and worked in for most of my life!
I also still get a vote in the UK which I use.
would you like to answer how many govs we have had where the majority of the country has voted for them? Its nothing new when you have as many partys to vote for like we do its very unlikley that we will get a gov the majority has voted for,perhaps all those other partys should of formed a coalition to keep boris out or did they not have the numbers to do that?
Going back to 1918 the only time the majority voted for the winning party was when the conservatives got just over 60% of the vote in 1931. Since then the closest has been conservative at 49.7% (1955) . Labour's best share is 48.8% (1951) when actually the conservatives won the most seats just to confuse things"
Just shows how off the mark First Past The Post is. Our democracy isn’t really democracy at all . |
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"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations.
It is the cost of the shipment as the value is in excess of £20k for oranges
I have been a buyer of freight from the container lines on this route for over 10 years and for the last two years the costs have increased dramatically, directly due to Brexit . Remember we don’t just say oh ok then that’s fine they have to show proof before we agree to increase so we and above a contract.
Our shipping costs have gone up outside the EU but they were down directly to Covid and and backlog on deep sea trades which take months to catch up from a stop of even two weeks. Those trades are long and complicated. The west buying so much shit from the far east was the ultimate cause. Also profiteering by the Chinese was major factor.
The European container market can catch up much quicker so isn’t as badly affected . Most European containers stay in Europe on round trip routes. Especially if they are owned by short sea operators so are not out of place for long.
Regarding costs , It’s not just paperwork which can be a few hundred quid per box for food. it’s delays in that paperwork by customs and clearance companies and the delays cause delays for trucks so they earn less and have to charge more . The terminals have containers waiting and delayed due to customs so again increased costs . The shipping lines themselves have extra processes to deal and also deal with the authorities and their own increased paperwork and coats . The ships are delayed due to paperwork processes so need to charge more. Shortage of drivers so haulage rates in the U.K. up.
I genuinely don’t think many people realise how costly customs processes have made trade with the EU. It’s not just fill in a form! That 1400 won’t be a mile off but my estimate would be closer to £900 -1000 in reality
Oh and fuel recently gone up so that’s coming into the future increases .
It’s crap for the U.K. when we certainly could do without it right now.
"
. However there is no evidence to indicate that there is a shortage of LGV drivers in the UK. There was possibly a shortage of drivers who were not prepared to work for very low pay. This issue is now resolved with the recent pay increases. The UK government have also addressed the issue of testing for those aspiring to be drivers by making more tests available and also making the reversing part of the test a separate stand alone one .
Providing the correct paperwork is in place there are no delays in shipment. Those experiencing delays have only themselves to blame for failing to have their paperwork in order . The time span for clearing a port is no different to before . Delays at ports are not a new concept. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"When Rees-Mogg tells us that there has been little or no impact by Brexit on trade between the UK and EU, Elphicke tells us that Brexit has benefited Kent by creating new jobs to deal with the red tape, Johnson breaks the law, lies in parliament, the govt breaks the law with the VIP lane etc. etc. as the list goes on and on - is there any point in arguing differently as these people seem to live in an alternative World however; that World together with their laws and actions impact us.
Should we just lie down and accept that what they say is fact (ignoring the facts)?
It would probably make us all happier although perhaps more like those living under the regime in North Korea!
We are supposed to be living in a democracy however the voting system is not representative with only 40% of those voting for the Tories in the last election giving the Tories an 80 seat majority - how can that be democratic?
Or is this just simply the new normality?new normal or way its always been? You mention the torys only getting 40% of the vote to get a majority how many uk govs have ever been in power where the majority of the country voted for them? Also any idea how many of us who could of voted last time actually botherd?i see you reside in france so why are you botherd whats going on over here,your golden mate you live in the e.u
Yes - glad I moved to France when I did and also have dual nationality which is even better but that doesn't stop me caring about the country I grew up in, lived and worked in for most of my life!
I also still get a vote in the UK which I use.
would you like to answer how many govs we have had where the majority of the country has voted for them? Its nothing new when you have as many partys to vote for like we do its very unlikley that we will get a gov the majority has voted for,perhaps all those other partys should of formed a coalition to keep boris out or did they not have the numbers to do that?
Going back to 1918 the only time the majority voted for the winning party was when the conservatives got just over 60% of the vote in 1931. Since then the closest has been conservative at 49.7% (1955) . Labour's best share is 48.8% (1951) when actually the conservatives won the most seats just to confuse things
Just shows how off the mark First Past The Post is. Our democracy isn’t really democracy at all . "
Very stark figures indeed. One thing they clearly show is governments not being voted for by the majority is not a recent thing, in fact its normal. Personally I don't see either the Tories or labour looking to change the system any time soon |
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"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations.
It is the cost of the shipment as the value is in excess of £20k for oranges
I have been a buyer of freight from the container lines on this route for over 10 years and for the last two years the costs have increased dramatically, directly due to Brexit . Remember we don’t just say oh ok then that’s fine they have to show proof before we agree to increase so we and above a contract.
Our shipping costs have gone up outside the EU but they were down directly to Covid and and backlog on deep sea trades which take months to catch up from a stop of even two weeks. Those trades are long and complicated. The west buying so much shit from the far east was the ultimate cause. Also profiteering by the Chinese was major factor.
The European container market can catch up much quicker so isn’t as badly affected . Most European containers stay in Europe on round trip routes. Especially if they are owned by short sea operators so are not out of place for long.
Regarding costs , It’s not just paperwork which can be a few hundred quid per box for food. it’s delays in that paperwork by customs and clearance companies and the delays cause delays for trucks so they earn less and have to charge more . The terminals have containers waiting and delayed due to customs so again increased costs . The shipping lines themselves have extra processes to deal and also deal with the authorities and their own increased paperwork and coats . The ships are delayed due to paperwork processes so need to charge more. Shortage of drivers so haulage rates in the U.K. up.
I genuinely don’t think many people realise how costly customs processes have made trade with the EU. It’s not just fill in a form! That 1400 won’t be a mile off but my estimate would be closer to £900 -1000 in reality
Oh and fuel recently gone up so that’s coming into the future increases .
It’s crap for the U.K. when we certainly could do without it right now.
. However there is no evidence to indicate that there is a shortage of LGV drivers in the UK. There was possibly a shortage of drivers who were not prepared to work for very low pay. This issue is now resolved with the recent pay increases. The UK government have also addressed the issue of testing for those aspiring to be drivers by making more tests available and also making the reversing part of the test a separate stand alone one .
Providing the correct paperwork is in place there are no delays in shipment. Those experiencing delays have only themselves to blame for failing to have their paperwork in order . The time span for clearing a port is no different to before . Delays at ports are not a new concept. "
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"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations.
It is the cost of the shipment as the value is in excess of £20k for oranges
I have been a buyer of freight from the container lines on this route for over 10 years and for the last two years the costs have increased dramatically, directly due to Brexit . Remember we don’t just say oh ok then that’s fine they have to show proof before we agree to increase so we and above a contract.
Our shipping costs have gone up outside the EU but they were down directly to Covid and and backlog on deep sea trades which take months to catch up from a stop of even two weeks. Those trades are long and complicated. The west buying so much shit from the far east was the ultimate cause. Also profiteering by the Chinese was major factor.
The European container market can catch up much quicker so isn’t as badly affected . Most European containers stay in Europe on round trip routes. Especially if they are owned by short sea operators so are not out of place for long.
Regarding costs , It’s not just paperwork which can be a few hundred quid per box for food. it’s delays in that paperwork by customs and clearance companies and the delays cause delays for trucks so they earn less and have to charge more . The terminals have containers waiting and delayed due to customs so again increased costs . The shipping lines themselves have extra processes to deal and also deal with the authorities and their own increased paperwork and coats . The ships are delayed due to paperwork processes so need to charge more. Shortage of drivers so haulage rates in the U.K. up.
I genuinely don’t think many people realise how costly customs processes have made trade with the EU. It’s not just fill in a form! That 1400 won’t be a mile off but my estimate would be closer to £900 -1000 in reality
Oh and fuel recently gone up so that’s coming into the future increases .
It’s crap for the U.K. when we certainly could do without it right now.
. However there is no evidence to indicate that there is a shortage of LGV drivers in the UK. There was possibly a shortage of drivers who were not prepared to work for very low pay. This issue is now resolved with the recent pay increases. The UK government have also addressed the issue of testing for those aspiring to be drivers by making more tests available and also making the reversing part of the test a separate stand alone one .
Providing the correct paperwork is in place there are no delays in shipment. Those experiencing delays have only themselves to blame for failing to have their paperwork in order . The time span for clearing a port is no different to before . Delays at ports are not a new concept.
So you can pass the HGV test without proving you can reverse? Comedy gold "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations.
It is the cost of the shipment as the value is in excess of £20k for oranges
I have been a buyer of freight from the container lines on this route for over 10 years and for the last two years the costs have increased dramatically, directly due to Brexit . Remember we don’t just say oh ok then that’s fine they have to show proof before we agree to increase so we and above a contract.
Our shipping costs have gone up outside the EU but they were down directly to Covid and and backlog on deep sea trades which take months to catch up from a stop of even two weeks. Those trades are long and complicated. The west buying so much shit from the far east was the ultimate cause. Also profiteering by the Chinese was major factor.
The European container market can catch up much quicker so isn’t as badly affected . Most European containers stay in Europe on round trip routes. Especially if they are owned by short sea operators so are not out of place for long.
Regarding costs , It’s not just paperwork which can be a few hundred quid per box for food. it’s delays in that paperwork by customs and clearance companies and the delays cause delays for trucks so they earn less and have to charge more . The terminals have containers waiting and delayed due to customs so again increased costs . The shipping lines themselves have extra processes to deal and also deal with the authorities and their own increased paperwork and coats . The ships are delayed due to paperwork processes so need to charge more. Shortage of drivers so haulage rates in the U.K. up.
I genuinely don’t think many people realise how costly customs processes have made trade with the EU. It’s not just fill in a form! That 1400 won’t be a mile off but my estimate would be closer to £900 -1000 in reality
Oh and fuel recently gone up so that’s coming into the future increases .
It’s crap for the U.K. when we certainly could do without it right now.
. However there is no evidence to indicate that there is a shortage of LGV drivers in the UK. There was possibly a shortage of drivers who were not prepared to work for very low pay. This issue is now resolved with the recent pay increases. The UK government have also addressed the issue of testing for those aspiring to be drivers by making more tests available and also making the reversing part of the test a separate stand alone one .
Providing the correct paperwork is in place there are no delays in shipment. Those experiencing delays have only themselves to blame for failing to have their paperwork in order . The time span for clearing a port is no different to before . Delays at ports are not a new concept. "
Having been involved in our own large scale international logistics and exports for over thirty five years I can confidently say you have no idea what you are talking about.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"you could make it compulsory to vote like Austria. "
I do think PR would be fairer and represent the country’s views. I don’t agree with compulsory but I do think the public have no faith as their lives never improve so they lose interest.
I think it’s interesting that people vote for a change in the ruling party because they are generally unhappy with the incumbent or indeed unhappy with the alternative choice (Corbyn).
Wouldn’t it be nice if a party was re elected because they are doing a good job for us all.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we were proud of our politicians rather than ashamed and embarrassed. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"you could make it compulsory to vote like Austria.
I do think PR would be fairer and represent the country’s views. I don’t agree with compulsory but I do think the public have no faith as their lives never improve so they lose interest.
I think it’s interesting that people vote for a change in the ruling party because they are generally unhappy with the incumbent or indeed unhappy with the alternative choice (Corbyn).
Wouldn’t it be nice if a party was re elected because they are doing a good job for us all.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we were proud of our politicians rather than ashamed and embarrassed. "
Im not in favour of being told what i have to do so no im not into compulsory and im happy with first past the post its the easiest way to get things done. |
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"Just today…
City AM reports £20 billion loss of U.K. exports into EU since Brexit.
BBC News. A container full of fruit from Spain to U.K. £2,200 pre-Brexit. £3,600 now.
Elphicke. We have spent £100 million on additional border infrastructure to cope with Brexit.Did it say why the container is dearer ? any chance it could be inflation, fuel costs or shipping costs or is it due to extra paperwork?.A random statement does not mean much without context
I can help there. CMA and others on that route have repeatedly imposed additional costs due to terminal delays brought about by customs delays and an increase in haulage due to delays at customs. In addition there is the added costs of customs charges. Quay tent and demurrage have been increased also as a result of those delays.
Container routes from Spain into Liverpool , Bristol, Tilbury, Greenock, Teeside and Immingham . All terminals and equipment are European traffic not global so not affected by global shortages.
Brexit is the main issue on Spain to U.K. and vice versa traffic. A shortage of drivers in the U.K. has added on top ( mostly Brexit). and the recent increases in fuel costs will soon go on top which is a global issue not totally down to Brexit I think that fair to say. Ok so if we had stayed in the eu the cost would be the same as they were 2 years ago ok
Did I say they wouldn’t have risen? I don’t think I did.
No, I clearly stated fuel has gone up for a start. Annual prices would have gone up usually on that route by around £30- 60 per TEU per year annually but definitely not 50% . That’s down to Brexit.
well according to reuters world food prices jumped 28% in 2021 not checked 2020 or the last 2 months so that does away with your normal of 3-5% rise per year for a start.Blaming brexit is easy until people actually delve into the figures.
This just todays news!!!
You really have to be the worlds greatest plate spinner to avoid seeing Brexit as being a costly and self inflicted trade barrier that we placed on ourselves.
Also today British Chamber of Commerce commented that smaller SME’s with fewer than 250 employees are feeling the pain of the new EU/U.K. trading arrangements. Many neither have the time, staff or money to deal with the increased administrative burden and rising costs of trading with the EU.
Rising costs!! I never said costs haven't gone up due to brexit they have to due to the extra paperwork but you will have to try a lot harder to convince me that a £1400 rise is down to paperwork when we all know fuel,products,container prices and wage rises have all risen but somehow this doesn't come into remainers calculations.
It is the cost of the shipment as the value is in excess of £20k for oranges
I have been a buyer of freight from the container lines on this route for over 10 years and for the last two years the costs have increased dramatically, directly due to Brexit . Remember we don’t just say oh ok then that’s fine they have to show proof before we agree to increase so we and above a contract.
Our shipping costs have gone up outside the EU but they were down directly to Covid and and backlog on deep sea trades which take months to catch up from a stop of even two weeks. Those trades are long and complicated. The west buying so much shit from the far east was the ultimate cause. Also profiteering by the Chinese was major factor.
The European container market can catch up much quicker so isn’t as badly affected . Most European containers stay in Europe on round trip routes. Especially if they are owned by short sea operators so are not out of place for long.
Regarding costs , It’s not just paperwork which can be a few hundred quid per box for food. it’s delays in that paperwork by customs and clearance companies and the delays cause delays for trucks so they earn less and have to charge more . The terminals have containers waiting and delayed due to customs so again increased costs . The shipping lines themselves have extra processes to deal and also deal with the authorities and their own increased paperwork and coats . The ships are delayed due to paperwork processes so need to charge more. Shortage of drivers so haulage rates in the U.K. up.
I genuinely don’t think many people realise how costly customs processes have made trade with the EU. It’s not just fill in a form! That 1400 won’t be a mile off but my estimate would be closer to £900 -1000 in reality
Oh and fuel recently gone up so that’s coming into the future increases .
It’s crap for the U.K. when we certainly could do without it right now.
. However there is no evidence to indicate that there is a shortage of LGV drivers in the UK. There was possibly a shortage of drivers who were not prepared to work for very low pay. This issue is now resolved with the recent pay increases. The UK government have also addressed the issue of testing for those aspiring to be drivers by making more tests available and also making the reversing part of the test a separate stand alone one .
Providing the correct paperwork is in place there are no delays in shipment. Those experiencing delays have only themselves to blame for failing to have their paperwork in order . The time span for clearing a port is no different to before . Delays at ports are not a new concept.
So you can pass the HGV test without proving you can reverse? Comedy gold . Hello. Are you aware of the LGV driving test procedures.? You can now only so the on road test if you have passed the reversing test. This is a significant improvement in the process . From where have you obtained your information on the current test procedure. ? "
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