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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. " Yes it is acceptable. People have reasons that only they will truly understand as to why they won't meet certain demographics that may have huge or no baring about the person as a whole person. I won't meet people with the same name as my ex. Am I a discriminatory wankstain or someone who doesn't want to put either myself or someone with that name in an awkward position? I wouldn't want to meet a gang member or a football hooligan. Choices based on behaviours. | |||
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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. " I’ll decide who I have sex with consensually. If they’re a Tory and voted to leave they can fuck off. Both have made my family, friends and my life more difficult. So if they’re ignorant that’s their issue not mine. Add in Daily Mail and Sun readers, they can fuck off as well. | |||
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"Tories have always been game for abuse, because most are smart and successful , not the politicians, they’re thick, but are what thick people think clever people should look and sound like. E.g Boris , Matt Hancock — both very dim." I like this summary of Tory strategy. Especially the bit that begins with Tory voters believing themselves to be smart but then an admission they're thick | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. " You're not a bad person. You've just made some bad decisions. Really, really bad | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You're not a bad person. You've just made some bad decisions. Really, really bad " I think you will find the Labour made the bad decisions and left the Conservatives to pick up the pieces. | |||
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"Tories have always been game for abuse, because most are smart and successful , not the politicians, they’re thick, but are what thick people think clever people should look and sound like. E.g Boris , Matt Hancock — both very dim. I like this summary of Tory strategy. Especially the bit that begins with Tory voters believing themselves to be smart but then an admission they're thick " It’s literally true, no ones figured it out , explains why Boris , the worst possible candidate is the PM | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You're not a bad person. You've just made some bad decisions. Really, really bad I think you will find the Labour made the bad decisions and left the Conservatives to pick up the pieces." I don't vote Labour so don't much care. But it's a bit of a stretch to still be rolling that argument out over a decade later | |||
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"Absolutely amazed at some of the generalisations on here. How do you account for the number of traditionally Labour seats lost to the Conservatives at the last election? Brexit? A dislike of Corbyn? Who knows, people made choices and they'll probably return to Labour. They did what they felt was right at that time. To say you have nothing in common with a Tory voter is a little crass. How would you know unless you asked them or they told you? Just gobsmacked" Why would I have sex with someone who votes for the party that actively discriminates against who I am as a person (sexuality, beliefs, nationality and race)? I’m into a bit of pain in the bedroom, but I’m not THAT much of a masochist ffs! | |||
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"Absolutely amazed at some of the generalisations on here. How do you account for the number of traditionally Labour seats lost to the Conservatives at the last election? Brexit? A dislike of Corbyn? Who knows, people made choices and they'll probably return to Labour. They did what they felt was right at that time. To say you have nothing in common with a Tory voter is a little crass. How would you know unless you asked them or they told you? Just gobsmacked Why would I have sex with someone who votes for the party that actively discriminates against who I am as a person (sexuality, beliefs, nationality and race)? I’m into a bit of pain in the bedroom, but I’m not THAT much of a masochist ffs! " You may have already. We can't recall having had political conversations with people we've just met, neither would we want one. | |||
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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. " "Is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here?" Seriously?! So people should fuck whoever asks. Never say no because it will be offensive or -ist to someone. | |||
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"Long story short, they're stupid and we just ignore them." Kind of like a 'no parties happened here' approach? | |||
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"They are what engaging in what is known as social activism, which is apparently cool to them. You know the sort, agree with me and parrot what I say or you are a Nazi. Most folk who say "no Tories" cannot clearly define what they consider a Tory to be. Those that do define a Tory tend to define a straw man that nobody who actually is conservative would be anyway. Long story short, they're stupid and we just ignore them." See it works. It put you off messaging them. | |||
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"Long story short, they're stupid and we just ignore them." Just like the Tory party’s approach to the electorate, and parties! I can understand why people would choose not to engage on an intimate level with those who hold political views diametrically opposite to their own. | |||
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"Absolutely amazed at some of the generalisations on here. How do you account for the number of traditionally Labour seats lost to the Conservatives at the last election? Brexit? A dislike of Corbyn? Who knows, people made choices and they'll probably return to Labour. They did what they felt was right at that time. To say you have nothing in common with a Tory voter is a little crass. How would you know unless you asked them or they told you? Just gobsmacked Why would I have sex with someone who votes for the party that actively discriminates against who I am as a person (sexuality, beliefs, nationality and race)? I’m into a bit of pain in the bedroom, but I’m not THAT much of a masochist ffs! You may have already. We can't recall having had political conversations with people we've just met, neither would we want one." Yeah you’re probably right, but I do my best to control that. | |||
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"Oh and also, I just don’t generally have much in common with Tories and I like to actually build a connection with most of the people I fuck, so there’s that too." That’s like saying I don’t have much in common with (insert race / religion / colour here). It’s narrow minded whichever way you turn it. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. " Well said | |||
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"Oh and also, I just don’t generally have much in common with Tories and I like to actually build a connection with most of the people I fuck, so there’s that too. That’s like saying I don’t have much in common with (insert race / religion / colour here). It’s narrow minded whichever way you turn it. " That’s absolutely not the same thing. Please see my other replies if you’d like read more of my reasons. | |||
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"Oh and also, I just don’t generally have much in common with Tories and I like to actually build a connection with most of the people I fuck, so there’s that too. That’s like saying I don’t have much in common with (insert race / religion / colour here). It’s narrow minded whichever way you turn it. " It's not remotely similar. You don't choose the colour of your skin and only a dumb fuck would assume that represents what goes on in your mind. Your political choices however represent how you view the world. I'm only joking about the Tories (otherwise I'd have no friends at all in real life!) In actual fact I've even had sex with a few but I can understand why some would try to avoid the disappointing sex you get from them. | |||
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"I find I can get on with most people on some level and have a wide variety of political opinions in my own circle. As long as people are socially liberal then we'll probably be fine. I draw the line at extremists, whether that be on the left or right. " Yep same for me too! I’m drawn to guys who can converse well whether they sit left or right! | |||
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"I’m a Lib Dem but I also like people with differing opinions so I’d have no issue with a Tory! Just like I may not agree with anti-vax viewpoints but I’d still meet them! I prefer to judge people for myself not because of one singular thing! " I wouldn't want a FWB who is anti-vax either. No doubt someone on the thread will object to that too. If I'm going to spend intimate time with someone and converse, I don't want to argue with them. It's not a dinner party | |||
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"This is one of those arguments which, unless it’s properly thrashed out, will get all sorts of heat. But if you put the torch to some of the stuff being thrown out, it’ll fall to pieces under scrutiny. In 2022 it’s trendy to bash political parties whether that be Labour, Tory or Lib Dems. " I don't vote Tory, it doesn't mean I think everything any other party says is ok. I am a swing voter. They've all got some crap policies. | |||
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"Oh and also, I just don’t generally have much in common with Tories and I like to actually build a connection with most of the people I fuck, so there’s that too. That’s like saying I don’t have much in common with (insert race / religion / colour here). It’s narrow minded whichever way you turn it. It's not remotely similar. You don't choose the colour of your skin and only a dumb fuck would assume that represents what goes on in your mind. Your political choices however represent how you view the world. I'm only joking about the Tories (otherwise I'd have no friends at all in real life!) In actual fact I've even had sex with a few but I can understand why some would try to avoid the disappointing sex you get from them." | |||
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"This is one of those arguments which, unless it’s properly thrashed out, will get all sorts of heat. But if you put the torch to some of the stuff being thrown out, it’ll fall to pieces under scrutiny. In 2022 it’s trendy to bash political parties whether that be Labour, Tory or Lib Dems. I don't vote Tory, it doesn't mean I think everything any other party says is ok. I am a swing voter. They've all got some crap policies. " A general swinger | |||
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"Oh and also, I just don’t generally have much in common with Tories and I like to actually build a connection with most of the people I fuck, so there’s that too. That’s like saying I don’t have much in common with (insert race / religion / colour here). It’s narrow minded whichever way you turn it. It's not remotely similar. You don't choose the colour of your skin and only a dumb fuck would assume that represents what goes on in your mind. Your political choices however represent how you view the world. I'm only joking about the Tories (otherwise I'd have no friends at all in real life!) In actual fact I've even had sex with a few but I can understand why some would try to avoid the disappointing sex you get from them." People do however choose their religion. Granted sometimes it is a cultural inheritance, but people do choose and sometimes change religion. Does that mean I can pass unjustified judgements and generalisations about someone based upon their religious choice? | |||
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"Personally I'm getting sick of it. You cannot go on Twitter without people banging on about them. And besides why should politics dictate a sexual encounter? Why would you even want to discuss such a serious topic?" Good point, politics and sex dont beong together (try telling m.p.s that though lol) | |||
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"Personally I'm getting sick of it. You cannot go on Twitter without people banging on about them. And besides why should politics dictate a sexual encounter? Why would you even want to discuss such a serious topic? Good point, politics and sex dont beong together (try telling m.p.s that though lol)" I dunno a threesome with a Tory and Labour MP could be fun. I just want to shout order! order! | |||
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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. " this subject appears to be quite taxing...??? | |||
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"Personally I'm getting sick of it. You cannot go on Twitter without people banging on about them. And besides why should politics dictate a sexual encounter? Why would you even want to discuss such a serious topic? Good point, politics and sex dont beong together (try telling m.p.s that though lol)" In your opinion. Some of us aren't here for club meets or quick sexual encounters. Some of us are here for more. And when you have more, what's wrong with wanting shared values and opinions? | |||
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"You cannot choose the colour of your skin, the nationality of your birth or your sexuality. You do however choose your political allegiance. Discrimination against a part of someone they have no n day in is bigotry. Discrimination against certain beliefs is perfectly acceptable. That is why we don't have laws banning gay people but do have laws nabbing membership of certain groups. Personally, I believe that categorising someone by their political party without seeking to understand why they vote the way they do is close minded though I will admit that a Tory would have to work harder to convince me they're a nice person than say a Lib Dem voter. Mr" What a ridiculous thing to say. There's good and bad in all walks of life, to conflate that with a political party is nonsense | |||
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"Oh and also, I just don’t generally have much in common with Tories and I like to actually build a connection with most of the people I fuck, so there’s that too. That’s like saying I don’t have much in common with (insert race / religion / colour here). It’s narrow minded whichever way you turn it. It's not remotely similar. You don't choose the colour of your skin and only a dumb fuck would assume that represents what goes on in your mind. Your political choices however represent how you view the world. I'm only joking about the Tories (otherwise I'd have no friends at all in real life!) In actual fact I've even had sex with a few but I can understand why some would try to avoid the disappointing sex you get from them. People do however choose their religion. Granted sometimes it is a cultural inheritance, but people do choose and sometimes change religion. Does that mean I can pass unjustified judgements and generalisations about someone based upon their religious choice? " Or we could simply say nothing and accept that not everyone is gonna wanna fuck everyone else, and sometimes it won't make sense to other people, but.... that's life. There will be people who won't wanna put their meat in me due to my use of the word cunt which they don't like. *shrugs* no skin off my nose. There will be people who don't wanna swap body juice with me because I have views they don't agree with. *shrugs* no skin off my nose. Sex is intimate. If people don't wanna be intimate with others I'm pretty certain it's not hurting anyone on a greater good level. I'm willing to bet they'd feed those same people if they knocked the door starving, they just don't want to go against their own values in the intimacy department. Why should people go against their values to satisfy someone else's sexual desire? Bit non consensual that. | |||
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"Tories have always been game for abuse, because most are smart and successful , not the politicians, they’re thick, but are what thick people think clever people should look and sound like. E.g Boris , Matt Hancock — both very dim. I like this summary of Tory strategy. Especially the bit that begins with Tory voters believing themselves to be smart but then an admission they're thick It’s literally true, no ones figured it out , explains why Boris , the worst possible candidate is the PM " It's quite simple really, labour didn't put up a good enough candidate | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes if some people think the boundaries of politics is limited to which posh twat is sitting centre stage. Political views are so far reaching that it has its hand in almost all aspects of life. Racism, sexism, human rights, quality of life, animal rights, laws, healthcare, education, poverty, and so many more. Certain aspects and views will most certainly clash with your views at some point. If somebody voted torie, it would not stop me with conversing and interacting with them. However the extent of their views on certain subjects most certainly would create a cut off point. Point is I know why and understand why people would not want to interact or associate with certain political supporters, as their allegiance may very well indirectly support something that conflicts with a topic close to another person's core values. Even if the person in question does not support that particular topic. I like balance, I like discussion, I'm open to sharing things and views, but I dislike extremists (exists on both sides of the fence). " Just to add, I have no political allegiances. I prefer balance and neither side fully embodies my own values. | |||
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"What a ridiculous thing to say. There's good and bad in all walks of life, to conflate that with a political party is nonsense " Really? So there was some good in the German Nationalist Socialist Party? The BNP? The EDL? | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes if some people think the boundaries of politics is limited to which posh twat is sitting centre stage. Political views are so far reaching that it has its hand in almost all aspects of life. Racism, sexism, human rights, quality of life, animal rights, laws, healthcare, education, poverty, and so many more. Certain aspects and views will most certainly clash with your views at some point. If somebody voted torie, it would not stop me with conversing and interacting with them. However the extent of their views on certain subjects most certainly would create a cut off point. Point is I know why and understand why people would not want to interact or associate with certain political supporters, as their allegiance may very well indirectly support something that conflicts with a topic close to another person's core values. Even if the person in question does not support that particular topic. I like balance, I like discussion, I'm open to sharing things and views, but I dislike extremists (exists on both sides of the fence). " Very well said. Politics, like law, reaches into every part of our lives | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You're not a bad person. You've just made some bad decisions. Really, really bad I think you will find the Labour made the bad decisions and left the Conservatives to pick up the pieces." I think you’ll find that’s not true, though I’m happy to hear any examples you care to name? | |||
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"What a ridiculous thing to say. There's good and bad in all walks of life, to conflate that with a political party is nonsense Really? So there was some good in the German Nationalist Socialist Party? The BNP? The EDL?" I don't know much about the people in the bnp as the fizzled out rather quickly but yes even the nazis had good people as members before they realised Hitler was a raving lunatic, how do you think he got elected. The edl were never a political party or even a membership for that matter but yes they to had decent people supporting them. | |||
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"Have you noticed how it’s the ones that *think* they’re the nice guys are always the ones that seem to vocalise hate the most? Weird, innit! Anyway, politics and religion? Keep me out of it!! p.s. Is there a God? " | |||
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"Have you noticed how it’s the ones that *think* they’re the nice guys are always the ones that seem to vocalise hate the most? Weird, innit! Anyway, politics and religion? Keep me out of it!! p.s. Is there a God? " | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge?" There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. | |||
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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. " Being a Tory is a choice. | |||
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"People do however choose their religion. Granted sometimes it is a cultural inheritance, but people do choose and sometimes change religion. Does that mean I can pass unjustified judgements and generalisations about someone based upon their religious choice? " Of course you can. Good luck explaining it to them Ironically I'm married to a Catholic (and I'm most definitely not) | |||
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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. Being a Tory is a choice." Indeed, but at the moment it is a really bad choice | |||
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"The thing is people won't sleep with who they don't want to sleep with. You can't make them. Be that for racial reasons, political reasons, reasons of sexuality, music tastes etc etc. I'd prefer people to be out in the open so we all know what we're dealing with. I'll start the ball rolling, I don't sleep with men or people who have ideological opinions on racial superiority. I am I one of these discriminatory people you talk about? I really didn't think I was controversial? Surely everyone has sovereignty over how they use their bodies and express their sexuality. There a different between being simply clear on your sexual preferences and pushing hatred. Mr" | |||
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"You cannot choose the colour of your skin, the nationality of your birth or your sexuality. You do however choose your political allegiance. Discrimination against a part of someone they have no n day in is bigotry. Discrimination against certain beliefs is perfectly acceptable. That is why we don't have laws banning gay people but do have laws nabbing membership of certain groups. Personally, I believe that categorising someone by their political party without seeking to understand why they vote the way they do is close minded though I will admit that a Tory would have to work harder to convince me they're a nice person than say a Lib Dem voter. Mr" you choose your religion but cant discriminate against that so dont see how your point is valid in anyway. | |||
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"You cannot choose the colour of your skin, the nationality of your birth or your sexuality. You do however choose your political allegiance. Discrimination against a part of someone they have no n day in is bigotry. Discrimination against certain beliefs is perfectly acceptable. That is why we don't have laws banning gay people but do have laws nabbing membership of certain groups. Personally, I believe that categorising someone by their political party without seeking to understand why they vote the way they do is close minded though I will admit that a Tory would have to work harder to convince me they're a nice person than say a Lib Dem voter. Mr you choose your religion but cant discriminate against that so dont see how your point is valid in anyway." PMSL, do you think your political beliefs should be a protected characteristic? | |||
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"Nothing wrong with conservative in terms of politics. Conservatism, Liberalism, Social Democracy. It is all needed otherwise you finish up with autocracy. But at this point the Tories, as an organisation, are at the top a cabal of criminals and ponces. Supporting the Tory Party is akin to hanging out with gangsters. " No-one voted Conservative based on campaign promises of Partygate and Money for Mates did they? | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. " This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. | |||
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"You cannot choose the colour of your skin, the nationality of your birth or your sexuality. You do however choose your political allegiance. Discrimination against a part of someone they have no n day in is bigotry. Discrimination against certain beliefs is perfectly acceptable. That is why we don't have laws banning gay people but do have laws nabbing membership of certain groups. Personally, I believe that categorising someone by their political party without seeking to understand why they vote the way they do is close minded though I will admit that a Tory would have to work harder to convince me they're a nice person than say a Lib Dem voter. Mr you choose your religion but cant discriminate against that so dont see how your point is valid in anyway. PMSL, do you think your political beliefs should be a protected characteristic? " No but you expect peoples religious beliefs to be protected…why? There was a horrible little guy about 80 years ago with views against that and look how that turned out…. We can’t pick and choose what beliefs are acceptable and what aren’t depending upon our situation. | |||
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"Maybe Tories just aren't that good at sex? " Some have been able to fuck entire sections of society on a regular bais though. So they must be good for something I’m sure they can give excellent hand jobs. But they prefer receiving over giving. And don’t even ask for a snowball! That’s too much redistribution. Simply won’t do old chap! | |||
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"Absolutely amazed at some of the generalisations on here. How do you account for the number of traditionally Labour seats lost to the Conservatives at the last election? Brexit? A dislike of Corbyn? Who knows, people made choices and they'll probably return to Labour. They did what they felt was right at that time. To say you have nothing in common with a Tory voter is a little crass. How would you know unless you asked them or they told you? Just gobsmacked" How do you explain it? “Manipulation” would be the most succinct explanation I can muster. Very sophisticated and deep. The face value stuff just scratches their surface. It worked a treat and probably will again as those engineering it will change up and employ different tactics. What happens next time around when all are a little older and wiser will be a very interesting observation. | |||
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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. Being a Tory is a choice. Indeed, but at the moment it is a really bad choice " Very much depends on the objective you seek with that vote. What’s bad for some os good for others. If we’re honest about it - i think most of us vote for what makes ourselves and our family better off. Ever if that ends up with the undesirable consequence of making other markedly worse off. How we adjudge that and the level of personal hypocrisy we can tolerate is difference in that vote. Many a champagne socialist will swing their vote at hints of taxing private education for example. Sadly the choices we have these days are between the greedy, unscrupulous and inept and those who have no clue. Rich keep getting richer though. So “i’m alright jack” will prevail. Next phase will certainly be interesting to observe voter behaviour. The pain thresholds will be severely tested. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. " Putting up a post that offers the opportunity to attack Tory voting site members is like throwing a chicken carcass to a pack of starving street dogs, especially now it's in the politics section. Look at the nastier replies carefully though. Do you notice which direction 100% of the hatred is flowing? Yup, from the left to the right. This is from site members to other site members who people perceive to be "liberal" because they're swingers. Those on the receiving end of this abuse voted nearly 3 years ago, before covid, before partygate, yet still the hatred is spewed at them. If you want to learn anything about hatred in the 2020's so far, look to the left. | |||
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"Nothing wrong with conservative in terms of politics. Conservatism, Liberalism, Social Democracy. It is all needed otherwise you finish up with autocracy. But at this point the Tories, as an organisation, are at the top a cabal of criminals and ponces. Supporting the Tory Party is akin to hanging out with gangsters. No-one voted Conservative based on campaign promises of Partygate and Money for Mates did they? " Probably not. But the evidence was there about how far they had fallen into the sewers before the last election. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. Putting up a post that offers the opportunity to attack Tory voting site members is like throwing a chicken carcass to a pack of starving street dogs, especially now it's in the politics section. Look at the nastier replies carefully though. Do you notice which direction 100% of the hatred is flowing? Yup, from the left to the right. This is from site members to other site members who people perceive to be "liberal" because they're swingers. Those on the receiving end of this abuse voted nearly 3 years ago, before covid, before partygate, yet still the hatred is spewed at them. If you want to learn anything about hatred in the 2020's so far, look to the left." It is the raging right that are filled with hate, BBC licences, immigrants, people pulling down statues of sl#ve traders etc. They spend there entire lives looking at things to be enraged about, such a bunch of snowflakes | |||
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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. this subject appears to be quite taxing...???" Rishi sunak can fix that | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. " A cry against discrimination? Isn't that a little over dramatic because two women had "no tories" on their profiles? | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. A cry against discrimination? Isn't that a little over dramatic because two women had "no tories" on their profiles? " No. Where do you draw the line? No Muslims. No Christian’s. No Jews. No tories. No fat people. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. A cry against discrimination? Isn't that a little over dramatic because two women had "no tories" on their profiles? No. Where do you draw the line? No Muslims. No Christian’s. No Jews. No tories. No fat people. " Should there be a line? No discrimination allowed. People should fuck everyone who asks. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. A cry against discrimination? Isn't that a little over dramatic because two women had "no tories" on their profiles? No. Where do you draw the line? No Muslims. No Christian’s. No Jews. No tories. No fat people. " I don't personally have "no tories" on my profile as I believe in positive preferences. If someone preferred slim women they could say that and it would be positive not negative towards a group of people. But at the end of the day I think that choosing not to sleep with someone for any reason is fair and arguing about it won't change anything. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. Putting up a post that offers the opportunity to attack Tory voting site members is like throwing a chicken carcass to a pack of starving street dogs, especially now it's in the politics section. Look at the nastier replies carefully though. Do you notice which direction 100% of the hatred is flowing? Yup, from the left to the right. This is from site members to other site members who people perceive to be "liberal" because they're swingers. Those on the receiving end of this abuse voted nearly 3 years ago, before covid, before partygate, yet still the hatred is spewed at them. If you want to learn anything about hatred in the 2020's so far, look to the left." Think you've been looking at the wrong site! Haha. Try posting a political opinion based on compassion instead of blindly supporting the Tories no matter how much the fuck us over and laugh at us. And you'll feel the hate from the overwhelmingly strong right wing element on Fab. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. " We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains. I know some folk will literally bang anyone who'll let them but in general people have some personal guidelines that are shaped through experiences and values.... not to mention attraction. Now, I could (but don't) find Fred West a looker but his decision making and life choices being all murdery etc would put me right off. Should I not discriminate and shag him anyway? (pretending he's not dead and walking free), after all we simply have different values. You say where do you draw the line? That can work both ways so how about we let people give their bodies to who they feel comfortable with and not try to guilt people for having personal values, standards and boundaries. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains. I know some folk will literally bang anyone who'll let them but in general people have some personal guidelines that are shaped through experiences and values.... not to mention attraction. Now, I could (but don't) find Fred West a looker but his decision making and life choices being all murdery etc would put me right off. Should I not discriminate and shag him anyway? (pretending he's not dead and walking free), after all we simply have different values. You say where do you draw the line? That can work both ways so how about we let people give their bodies to who they feel comfortable with and not try to guilt people for having personal values, standards and boundaries. " "We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains". My god you have a way eith words. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains. I know some folk will literally bang anyone who'll let them but in general people have some personal guidelines that are shaped through experiences and values.... not to mention attraction. Now, I could (but don't) find Fred West a looker but his decision making and life choices being all murdery etc would put me right off. Should I not discriminate and shag him anyway? (pretending he's not dead and walking free), after all we simply have different values. You say where do you draw the line? That can work both ways so how about we let people give their bodies to who they feel comfortable with and not try to guilt people for having personal values, standards and boundaries. "We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains". My god you have a way eith words. " It fucks me off massively. Its my BODY. I'll feed someone who's values I don't agree with. I'll jump in the water and save someone who's values I don't agree with even though I'd probably need saving too. I can respect that we have different values ffs, but it makes me wanna vomit that people think they can try to guilt you into wondering if you're a bad person for not wanting to have sex with someone or a group of someones. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains. I know some folk will literally bang anyone who'll let them but in general people have some personal guidelines that are shaped through experiences and values.... not to mention attraction. Now, I could (but don't) find Fred West a looker but his decision making and life choices being all murdery etc would put me right off. Should I not discriminate and shag him anyway? (pretending he's not dead and walking free), after all we simply have different values. You say where do you draw the line? That can work both ways so how about we let people give their bodies to who they feel comfortable with and not try to guilt people for having personal values, standards and boundaries. "We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains". My god you have a way eith words. It fucks me off massively. Its my BODY. I'll feed someone who's values I don't agree with. I'll jump in the water and save someone who's values I don't agree with even though I'd probably need saving too. I can respect that we have different values ffs, but it makes me wanna vomit that people think they can try to guilt you into wondering if you're a bad person for not wanting to have sex with someone or a group of someones. " It happens pretty much daily here doesn't if? One way or another of saying "why aren't people doing what I want?". | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains. I know some folk will literally bang anyone who'll let them but in general people have some personal guidelines that are shaped through experiences and values.... not to mention attraction. Now, I could (but don't) find Fred West a looker but his decision making and life choices being all murdery etc would put me right off. Should I not discriminate and shag him anyway? (pretending he's not dead and walking free), after all we simply have different values. You say where do you draw the line? That can work both ways so how about we let people give their bodies to who they feel comfortable with and not try to guilt people for having personal values, standards and boundaries. " Your example of fred west is one particular person who obviously isn’t very nice and I would advise against a meet with any murderer… however to blanket brush probably 50% of the adult population as being a Tory and therefore a total scumbag seems a bit ridiculous and fascist. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains. I know some folk will literally bang anyone who'll let them but in general people have some personal guidelines that are shaped through experiences and values.... not to mention attraction. Now, I could (but don't) find Fred West a looker but his decision making and life choices being all murdery etc would put me right off. Should I not discriminate and shag him anyway? (pretending he's not dead and walking free), after all we simply have different values. You say where do you draw the line? That can work both ways so how about we let people give their bodies to who they feel comfortable with and not try to guilt people for having personal values, standards and boundaries. Your example of fred west is one particular person who obviously isn’t very nice and I would advise against a meet with any murderer… however to blanket brush probably 50% of the adult population as being a Tory and therefore a total scumbag seems a bit ridiculous and fascist. " When did she do that? | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains. I know some folk will literally bang anyone who'll let them but in general people have some personal guidelines that are shaped through experiences and values.... not to mention attraction. Now, I could (but don't) find Fred West a looker but his decision making and life choices being all murdery etc would put me right off. Should I not discriminate and shag him anyway? (pretending he's not dead and walking free), after all we simply have different values. You say where do you draw the line? That can work both ways so how about we let people give their bodies to who they feel comfortable with and not try to guilt people for having personal values, standards and boundaries. Your example of fred west is one particular person who obviously isn’t very nice and I would advise against a meet with any murderer… however to blanket brush probably 50% of the adult population as being a Tory and therefore a total scumbag seems a bit ridiculous and fascist. " No dude, trying to guilt trip people into shagging those who aren't on their "would like to fuck" radar is a shitty move and you don't like that I've broadened the spectrum because you asked the question "where do you draw the line?" and it took it the other direction. What makes it different? I'm not saying tories are murderers far from it but the concept is the same, why shouldn't they get a ride eh? They just made different life choices and decisions, just have differing values... I don't do politics and couldn't give a flying one who votes for who but what I do do is absolutely accept and understand that sex, that access to your body is the LAST thing you have when you have nothing at all, even when you've lost your mind and don't know your own name. It's the last fucking sacred thing you have. Spouting people should give that up because it's unfair and discriminatory if they don't is a dick move. People make their own decisions on who they do and don't want to touch them and that's exactly how it should stay, even if you or anyone else doesn't agree with how they came to that decision. | |||
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"I thought there was a whole board for political discussion, to keep it out of the Lounge? There is. I've reported the thread to get it moved. This wasn’t intended as a political discussion. It was intended as a cry against discrimination. We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains. I know some folk will literally bang anyone who'll let them but in general people have some personal guidelines that are shaped through experiences and values.... not to mention attraction. Now, I could (but don't) find Fred West a looker but his decision making and life choices being all murdery etc would put me right off. Should I not discriminate and shag him anyway? (pretending he's not dead and walking free), after all we simply have different values. You say where do you draw the line? That can work both ways so how about we let people give their bodies to who they feel comfortable with and not try to guilt people for having personal values, standards and boundaries. "We're talking about having sex, not separate water fountains". My god you have a way eith words. It fucks me off massively. Its my BODY. I'll feed someone who's values I don't agree with. I'll jump in the water and save someone who's values I don't agree with even though I'd probably need saving too. I can respect that we have different values ffs, but it makes me wanna vomit that people think they can try to guilt you into wondering if you're a bad person for not wanting to have sex with someone or a group of someones. " | |||
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"And to add, I never once said Tories are scumbags. I personally don't care what colour rosette anyone wears. But it DOES matter to some, and that's where choice comes into it. But that's not allowed it seems." You’ve missed the point. You have as much choice as you like. Just don’t tar everyone with the same brush. Some tories are twats. Some labour are twats. Some Monster Raving Loony are twats. But there will always also be nice people who happened to have voted one way or another. To just dismiss all these people just feels wrong. | |||
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"And to add, I never once said Tories are scumbags. I personally don't care what colour rosette anyone wears. But it DOES matter to some, and that's where choice comes into it. But that's not allowed it seems. You’ve missed the point. You have as much choice as you like. Just don’t tar everyone with the same brush. Some tories are twats. Some labour are twats. Some Monster Raving Loony are twats. But there will always also be nice people who happened to have voted one way or another. To just dismiss all these people just feels wrong. " Again, I'll go back to my original example of not tarring everyone with the same brush however still exercising my choice. I won't get intimate with people who have the same name as my ex. That dismisses many many people, lots of whom are probably really fucking lovely and decent human beings. I will not put them or myself in an uncomfortable or awkward situation. I feel you've missed the point, because you can't seem to grasp the fact it's not about tarring people with the same brush in the slightest, it's about being comfortable in your decision amd choices when vulnerable (because yes, we can be incredibly vulnerable physically and emotionally where sex and intimacy are concerned) and by not accepting that some people simply don't want to get intimate with certain others for whatever reason they have, you're practically telling then they're out of order and wrong. Sound. I'll be a wrong un if it keeps me and others comfortable. Just make sure you shag anyone and everyone who's available to you regardless of your attraction to them, their gender, their everything, no matter how icky or uncomfortable it makes you feel. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. " You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe" See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society " Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? " This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? | |||
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"Personally I'm getting sick of it. You cannot go on Twitter without people banging on about them. And besides why should politics dictate a sexual encounter? Why would you even want to discuss such a serious topic?" Precisely, which begs the question ' why is there a politics room on a sex site forum? | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? " I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election " So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. | |||
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"Personally I'm getting sick of it. You cannot go on Twitter without people banging on about them. And besides why should politics dictate a sexual encounter? Why would you even want to discuss such a serious topic? Precisely, which begs the question ' why is there a politics room on a sex site forum? " I was surprised there was a politics forum and a virus forum etc…guess it’s because people want to discuss things other than the usual | |||
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"Personally I'm getting sick of it. You cannot go on Twitter without people banging on about them. And besides why should politics dictate a sexual encounter? Why would you even want to discuss such a serious topic? Precisely, which begs the question ' why is there a politics room on a sex site forum? " Why shouldn't there be? Someone's politics are neither taboo nor irrelevant to those of us who want to like and respect the people we have sex with. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party." Mistaking green/liberal with populism. Either way, he knew the Tories had a ceiling when playing to the fiscal hard right. Cameron peaked at 11 million votes despite promising a referendum. May had to move away from mentioning austerity. Corbyn (yes Jeremy fn Corbyn), with the most daring manifesto since Foot, managed nearly 13 million. That's why they might seem a different type of conservative. Really it's just about playing his own varying ideological MPs off against each other. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party." So you're green liberal? | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. So you're green liberal?" Nope im not happy the direction the party is taking personally with rising fuel prices i would like to see the scrapping of the green levy to reduce the bills for the poorest. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. So you're green liberal?Nope im not happy the direction the party is taking personally with rising fuel prices i would like to see the scrapping of the green levy to reduce the bills for the poorest." What about instead, reducing the fossil fuel subsidies that dwarf the "green levy". Helping the environment, and poorest people. Although being a Tory and caring about poor people is usually mutually exclusive. Lol. | |||
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"You cannot choose the colour of your skin, the nationality of your birth or your sexuality. You do however choose your political allegiance. Discrimination against a part of someone they have no n day in is bigotry. Discrimination against certain beliefs is perfectly acceptable. That is why we don't have laws banning gay people but do have laws nabbing membership of certain groups. Personally, I believe that categorising someone by their political party without seeking to understand why they vote the way they do is close minded though I will admit that a Tory would have to work harder to convince me they're a nice person than say a Lib Dem voter. Mr" | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. So you're green liberal?Nope im not happy the direction the party is taking personally with rising fuel prices i would like to see the scrapping of the green levy to reduce the bills for the poorest. What about instead, reducing the fossil fuel subsidies that dwarf the "green levy". Helping the environment, and poorest people. Although being a Tory and caring about poor people is usually mutually exclusive. Lol." You think that would really help? i would think it would just push prices even higher i dont think you have thought this through.Nice to see you pushing the old labour propaganda that tories dont care about poor people though you cant beat a good generalization. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. So you're green liberal?Nope im not happy the direction the party is taking personally with rising fuel prices i would like to see the scrapping of the green levy to reduce the bills for the poorest. What about instead, reducing the fossil fuel subsidies that dwarf the "green levy". Helping the environment, and poorest people. Although being a Tory and caring about poor people is usually mutually exclusive. Lol.You think that would really help? i would think it would just push prices even higher i dont think you have thought this through.Nice to see you pushing the old labour propaganda that tories dont care about poor people though you cant beat a good generalization. " "Labour propaganda" lolz. I mean the "fuck the poor" party don't care about poor people. Claiming they do is beyond ridiculous. Just pick any Tory, and look at their voting record. Case closed. Anyways, if your interested in understanding fossil fuels subsidies and their cost to the tax payer, purely to prop up the oil multi nationals, Vs the relative miniscule amount of green tax, designed to help save the planet from ecological catastrophy. There's plenty of information out there. It's nothing to do with me thinking it through. The information is publicly available. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. So you're green liberal?Nope im not happy the direction the party is taking personally with rising fuel prices i would like to see the scrapping of the green levy to reduce the bills for the poorest. What about instead, reducing the fossil fuel subsidies that dwarf the "green levy". Helping the environment, and poorest people. Although being a Tory and caring about poor people is usually mutually exclusive. Lol.You think that would really help? i would think it would just push prices even higher i dont think you have thought this through.Nice to see you pushing the old labour propaganda that tories dont care about poor people though you cant beat a good generalization. "Labour propaganda" lolz. I mean the "fuck the poor" party don't care about poor people. Claiming they do is beyond ridiculous. Just pick any Tory, and look at their voting record. Case closed. Anyways, if your interested in understanding fossil fuels subsidies and their cost to the tax payer, purely to prop up the oil multi nationals, Vs the relative miniscule amount of green tax, designed to help save the planet from ecological catastrophy. There's plenty of information out there. It's nothing to do with me thinking it through. The information is publicly available. " yes money for exploration and development how good would it be if they could produce a coal that is clean or even petrol? and do you really think that money would go to the public? Doing away with the green levy would put hundreds of pounds directly back in peoples pockets immediately. I know it gives you a sense of moral superiority but do you actually believe you care more for poor people than tory voters? Everyone wants people to thrive and be prosperous its good for the whole country the only difference is how they go about it. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. So you're green liberal?Nope im not happy the direction the party is taking personally with rising fuel prices i would like to see the scrapping of the green levy to reduce the bills for the poorest. What about instead, reducing the fossil fuel subsidies that dwarf the "green levy". Helping the environment, and poorest people. Although being a Tory and caring about poor people is usually mutually exclusive. Lol.You think that would really help? i would think it would just push prices even higher i dont think you have thought this through.Nice to see you pushing the old labour propaganda that tories dont care about poor people though you cant beat a good generalization. "Labour propaganda" lolz. I mean the "fuck the poor" party don't care about poor people. Claiming they do is beyond ridiculous. Just pick any Tory, and look at their voting record. Case closed. Anyways, if your interested in understanding fossil fuels subsidies and their cost to the tax payer, purely to prop up the oil multi nationals, Vs the relative miniscule amount of green tax, designed to help save the planet from ecological catastrophy. There's plenty of information out there. It's nothing to do with me thinking it through. The information is publicly available. yes money for exploration and development how good would it be if they could produce a coal that is clean or even petrol? and do you really think that money would go to the public? Doing away with the green levy would put hundreds of pounds directly back in peoples pockets immediately. I know it gives you a sense of moral superiority but do you actually believe you care more for poor people than tory voters? Everyone wants people to thrive and be prosperous its good for the whole country the only difference is how they go about it." No moral superiority. But if why would anyone who gives a shit about poor people vote Tory. That seems a bit far fetched. Even for this forum. The current government have absolutely no interest in the country thriving. | |||
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" No moral superiority. But if why would anyone who gives a shit about poor people vote Tory. That seems a bit far fetched. Even for this forum. The current government have absolutely no interest in the country thriving. " Put simply. They should not. But people can sometimes be selfish and self serving. We all are to some degree. To think otherwise is unrealistic, naive or hypocritical. By all measures “we” (the couple behind this profile, it is mr who posts 99% of the time) should be Tory voters. Both well onto 45% tax bracket, kids in private school (so where is our tax rebate for that?) private health care (again no tax rebate? Combined pad well over 100k in taxes las year…. So why don’t we vote Tory? The answer is simple. Yes “we’re alright jack” and will continue to be so. But we recognise that the vast majority of the population is suffering under this regime: State school standards are falling Public healthcare is falling and waiting lists ate growing to years and years fir essential treatment. 50% of the population will soon have to choose between heating and food. The rich are getting richer at a far grater rate than the avg standard of living for most citizens. The list of inequalities goes on and on. Do we believe “freeloaders” should get a cheap ride? NO! But do we get sucked into the rhetoric that normal, hard working people who are trying to make ends meet should be fucked here to sunday so that people on huge wages and riches should save a few quid on their tax bill? HELL NO! could not sleep at night thinking we voted for that!!! The ERG brigade influenced Tory party are interested in ONE thing. And that is to return the majority back to victorian (fiscal) values of servitude and obedience ti the paymasters. I would rater pay 10, 20k more in tax to a government which showed some compassion, human decencey and still fostered free market enterprise than get the same in tax advantage from a corrupt shit heap of a government that was only interested in lining own pockets and to hell with wider society. This is why We think Tories are wankers and those that will continue to vote for them are CUNTS. TLDR; Put simply; Current Tory voters don’t care about thier fellow citizens. Only the well off. Simple as | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. So you're green liberal?" No more traditional values of Edmund Burke | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party." I think BJ’s lack of respect for rules and degradation of constitutional norms( including more suppressive demonstration rules) , lying repeatedly in parliament, lying to the Queen, changes to the electoral boundaries, VIP fast lanes for pandemic contract…. ( the list goes on) is far from a green/ liberal party and more in line with a Kleptocratic/ authoritarian regime. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. " Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. You support a party that crushes the poor and has removed a third of the benefits of disabled people. But your not a bad person, ignorant maybe See this is why people get entranched in polarisation. Alot of the policies of other parties accross all the UK are devisive and doesn't help the discourse in society Have the other parties removed a third of disabled people's benefits? Did Labour when they were in power? This is precisely the cause of the polarisation. Growing and massive social inequality. Can’t be that hard to figure out surely? I think what should be recognised is that this government has utterly destroyed the brand of a traditional Tory government. In historical terms this government is so far right and has abandoned the traditional belief’s of Tory governments( like Edmund Burke). The party has essentially been under the power of the ERG since BJ came to power and resembles more the Brexit party than anything else. Tory voters need to realise this- it’s no longer the Tory party of old and that’s why so many people currently dislike the party. BJ won the election by a landslide but now he is going to destroy the party and leave a legacy of damage. There will be a lot of Tory voters who will just not vote in the next election So far right are you having a laugh? boris and his mrs have turned the tory party into the green / liberal party. I think BJ’s lack of respect for rules and degradation of constitutional norms( including more suppressive demonstration rules) , lying repeatedly in parliament, lying to the Queen, changes to the electoral boundaries, VIP fast lanes for pandemic contract…. ( the list goes on) is far from a green/ liberal party and more in line with a Kleptocratic/ authoritarian regime." It's pretty alarming to think that people actually think the Tories are too kind, and too concerned about the environment and should be even more right wing and self serving. | |||
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"I have noticed that in the last 2 days I have come across 2 women who state that they do not like tories. Without getting into the politics of it (I am not a Tory fyi), is this kind of discrimination acceptable on here? If I put no gays / TVs / whites / blacks etc it would not be acceptable. I thought we were all a pretty liberal laid back bunch on here and this does annoy me. " It's about choice and personal preferences on here as far as I see. Also I have seen plenty of profiles saying no bi guys , no black or Asians, no whites so if it's against the rules then many are breaking them. If people want to extend that to who a potential meet votes for then again it's up to them. Not sure how they go about proving it though - maybe make them wear a I hate Tories shirt to the social | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day." i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads" Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. | |||
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"The lack of tolerance toward others spewing from lefties on this thread is quite staggering, but not at all surprising. Let's not forget that the Labour party are proven racists, and this will be shown yet again when the Forde report is finally published. I would rather vote for anyone than a bunch of proven thicky looney left racists. If you are a Labour supporter you are a supporter of racism and by association, a racist. You guys really need to deal with this and recognise what you are. INTOLERANT RACISTS. And there really is no denying those facts." Lol. I love how confused this post is. Why is only left wing racism bad in your eyes? Why is this somehow worse than right wing racism? I get your conclusion though. You're intolerant and angry about people who are intolerant of people who vote for the self serving nasty party. Brilliant. | |||
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"The lack of tolerance toward others spewing from lefties on this thread is quite staggering, but not at all surprising. Let's not forget that the Labour party are proven racists, and this will be shown yet again when the Forde report is finally published. I would rather vote for anyone than a bunch of proven thicky looney left racists. If you are a Labour supporter you are a supporter of racism and by association, a racist. You guys really need to deal with this and recognise what you are. INTOLERANT RACISTS. And there really is no denying those facts. Lol. I love how confused this post is. Why is only left wing racism bad in your eyes? Why is this somehow worse than right wing racism? I get your conclusion though. You're intolerant and angry about people who are intolerant of people who vote for the self serving nasty party. Brilliant. " Triggered. You ok hun? | |||
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"The lack of tolerance toward others spewing from lefties on this thread is quite staggering, but not at all surprising. Let's not forget that the Labour party are proven racists, and this will be shown yet again when the Forde report is finally published. I would rather vote for anyone than a bunch of proven thicky looney left racists. If you are a Labour supporter you are a supporter of racism and by association, a racist. You guys really need to deal with this and recognise what you are. INTOLERANT RACISTS. And there really is no denying those facts." You seem very angry? When did you read the Forde report? | |||
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"Thick as mince lefties triggered by the truth. Hilarious " And you wonder why people don't want to meet Tories. Case closed. | |||
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"The lack of tolerance toward others spewing from lefties on this thread is quite staggering, but not at all surprising. Let's not forget that the Labour party are proven racists, and this will be shown yet again when the Forde report is finally published. I would rather vote for anyone than a bunch of proven thicky looney left racists. If you are a Labour supporter you are a supporter of racism and by association, a racist. You guys really need to deal with this and recognise what you are. INTOLERANT RACISTS. And there really is no denying those facts. Lol. I love how confused this post is. Why is only left wing racism bad in your eyes? Why is this somehow worse than right wing racism? I get your conclusion though. You're intolerant and angry about people who are intolerant of people who vote for the self serving nasty party. Brilliant. Triggered. You ok hun? " Why would I be triggered by you being confused? But since you ask. I'm fine thanks. How are you? | |||
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"I see these things at different levels: 1) Legal - They have all the rights to not want to be friends with people with different political ideologies. 2) Moral - Again, it's their life. They have all the rights to make that choice. Unless they are denying services/jobs, I wouldn't make it a moral concern. 3) Intelligence - I consider these people phenomenally stupid and stay away from them. My parents and even myself never voted for same party repeatedly. To deny oneself of the opportunity to befriend someone because they vote for another party is one of the dumbest things to do. This used to be an American problem where people are very much polarised. Democrats and republicans used to hate each other. With social media, they have exported the problem to other countries. " Point 1 is the salient supporting depiction. When people say 'No Tories' they are referring to supporters of an ideology, not someone who may at one point have voted Conservative. | |||
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"Thick as mince lefties triggered by the truth. Hilarious And you wonder why people don't want to meet Tories. Case closed." And my point is proved. It's not just Tories that want nothing to do with the looney left labourites | |||
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"Thick as mince lefties triggered by the truth. Hilarious And you wonder why people don't want to meet Tories. Case closed. And my point is proved. It's not just Tories that want nothing to do with the looney left labourites " Why are you suggesting that everyone who doesn't like being fucked by the government is "loony left labourite"? Bit insulting to intelligent people from across the political spectrum. | |||
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"I see these things at different levels: 1) Legal - They have all the rights to not want to be friends with people with different political ideologies. 2) Moral - Again, it's their life. They have all the rights to make that choice. Unless they are denying services/jobs, I wouldn't make it a moral concern. 3) Intelligence - I consider these people phenomenally stupid and stay away from them. My parents and even myself never voted for same party repeatedly. To deny oneself of the opportunity to befriend someone because they vote for another party is one of the dumbest things to do. This used to be an American problem where people are very much polarised. Democrats and republicans used to hate each other. With social media, they have exported the problem to other countries. Point 1 is the salient supporting depiction. When people say 'No Tories' they are referring to supporters of an ideology, not someone who may at one point have voted Conservative. " Do you think if I went to these people and told that I voted Tories in the last election, but I have voted for other parties before that, they will respect me? | |||
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"Why are the confused raging righties more concerned with the accusations of racism in other parties then sorting out the rampant islamophobia in the Tory party? I know the easily triggered right get angry and confused about the BBC licence, immigrants in dinghy’s and statues of sl*ve traders being removed but this faux outrage towards the Labour Party is a new low " Any examples of "rampant Islamophobia" in Tory party? | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. " oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time" Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day." By that logic, using foul language to talk about any political party is justified. There is no excuse for using foul language in a political debate. Other than the fact that it's uncivil, it is also stupid. If your motivation in debating is to change someone's mind, you do it by logical reasoning. Using foul language results in an opposite effect. But most people who use foul language in political debates don't really do it to change minds or for any greater good. They are just egomaniacs who want to prove that they are right. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though." they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon" I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off." lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look" I am surprised that people still believe in the narrative that voters are stupid and media lies resulted in Tories winning. In the two bi-elections where Tories lost, people chose libdems over Labour. That's how far Labour have fallen behind. It's not hard to see that Labour's downfall is what caused Tories rise. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look I am surprised that people still believe in the narrative that voters are stupid and media lies resulted in Tories winning. In the two bi-elections where Tories lost, people chose libdems over Labour. That's how far Labour have fallen behind. It's not hard to see that Labour's downfall is what caused Tories rise." I think on the big issues and Brexit people believe what they already decided was true and politicians validated. Very few people would change their brexit position no matter what info was provided, their would just say they knew that all along and come up with another reason or they would deny the information was correct. ^ And that’s why they are stupid. They make important decisions on how the feel rather than facts | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look I am surprised that people still believe in the narrative that voters are stupid and media lies resulted in Tories winning. In the two bi-elections where Tories lost, people chose libdems over Labour. That's how far Labour have fallen behind. It's not hard to see that Labour's downfall is what caused Tories rise. I think on the big issues and Brexit people believe what they already decided was true and politicians validated. Very few people would change their brexit position no matter what info was provided, their would just say they knew that all along and come up with another reason or they would deny the information was correct. ^ And that’s why they are stupid. They make important decisions on how the feel rather than facts " I agree that many people voted on emotion rather than facts. But there are also many who voted leave based on valid concerns, especially economic ones based on EU's policies. But I don't want this thread to go into another brexit debate. And brexit voting dynamics were entirely different from GE voting. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look" What's the explanation then? Why do people vote for politicians who openly don't give a fuck about them? | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look I am surprised that people still believe in the narrative that voters are stupid and media lies resulted in Tories winning. In the two bi-elections where Tories lost, people chose libdems over Labour. That's how far Labour have fallen behind. It's not hard to see that Labour's downfall is what caused Tories rise. I think on the big issues and Brexit people believe what they already decided was true and politicians validated. Very few people would change their brexit position no matter what info was provided, their would just say they knew that all along and come up with another reason or they would deny the information was correct. ^ And that’s why they are stupid. They make important decisions on how the feel rather than facts " so everyone who voted brexit is stupid lol and that is why the country now has boris because all those who kept getting called stupid or racist or didnt know what they were voting for by those who voted to remain and most politicians decided fuck you and went and voted for boris,christ if id known it was gona start the decline of the main partys and begin the break up of the united kingdom id of registerd to vote for the first time since the mid 90s and voted for it myself,everyone keeps saying we need a new way of doing things well u have to tear everything down first to start again | |||
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" I think on the big issues and Brexit people believe what they already decided was true and politicians validated. Very few people would change their brexit position no matter what info was provided, their would just say they knew that all along and come up with another reason or they would deny the information was correct. ^ And that’s why they are stupid. They make important decisions on how the feel rather than facts " Seems a bit rich to criticise others over their reasons for voting when you have said you didn't vote in the Brexit referendum. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off." you seem to have a very low opinion of the majority of British voters is it because it gives you a feeling of superiority? | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.you seem to have a very low opinion of the majority of British voters is it because it gives you a feeling of superiority? " Nope | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look What's the explanation then? Why do people vote for politicians who openly don't give a fuck about them?" because they have been doing it for as long as i can remember lol tory or labour it dont really matter whos in charge its only gona be a small portion of society whos lives will be better no matter whos running the show,personaly i find it bizzare that people put there trust in any politicians watever coulour flag they fly | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look What's the explanation then? Why do people vote for politicians who openly don't give a fuck about them? because they have been doing it for as long as i can remember lol tory or labour it dont really matter whos in charge its only gona be a small portion of society whos lives will be better no matter whos running the show,personaly i find it bizzare that people put there trust in any politicians watever coulour flag they fly" Then we're largely in agreement. And I still don't know why people vote for pricks who laugh at them, take their tax money and give it to their mates, while partying through the covid restrictions. | |||
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"Don't think anyone has ever asked me about politics before a meet. I am a Tory but that does not make me a bad person. The bad people are those who judge. Ok. So, you're not a bad person. Judgement isn't a bad thing either - we all do it, all the time. Even you. However, if you vote Tory, you are happy to give your consent to policies which protect the wealth of the rich and waste billions of pounds worth of taxpayers' money - whilst, at the same time, increasing homelessness, poverty and hunger amongst the less fortunate and more vulnerable of your fellow citizens - and, if they have any, their children. Some Tories, may well be "nice people" - but, collectively, they support the current government and its leader. He is, like it or not, due to his not taking Covid seriously when he was first warned about it, responsible for tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. Not that that matters to any Tory voter - because Brexit/vaccine/economy/Russia, etc. You can't be "a little bit Tory". You either support them or you don't. You're responsible for empowering those who do bad things in your name - and seeking to take credit for only the good? That's infantile; like your current leader. I understand why Tories get upset when people use foul language to describe them - it can't be pleasant; but it's not done without justification. It's based on entirely reasonable judgements on the character of the people they vote for and the damage their policies do to millions of human beings every day.i find most people i know are neither tory or labour they usualy tick the box of the partý that they think will benefit them personaly lots of em who voted tory last time have also voted lib dem and labour in the past,think its a small minority who consider themselves tory or labour supporters the majority of people are floating voters who vote for whats best for them personaly,who knows next general election they may decide to vote labour if they ever let people onow what there offering mabey even the lib dems will win if they offer the majority of the country what will benefit them personaly,fact is most people do whats best for them and there familys if its good for others dosent even enter most peoples heads Do you think working class people were naive enough to think they'd be better off with Boris and the Tories? I'd suggest they vote the way they always have, or the way the media tells them to. 5 minutes research would show them that the Tories don't give a fuck about them. Personally, I suspect there's too much voter apathy, and a lack of interest in what they're actually voting for. oh you suggest even though ive said most of those i know who voted tory last time have voted for other partys in the past,hey you may vote for what is best for others but as the last g.e showed most vote for what suits them personaly.if that wasnt the case they would of voted for jezza to help the poor but they didnt.humans are selfish always have been always will be.even after all the bollox boris has done if the torys make a better argument come election time they will prob win again,labour reall need to start letting people know what there offering if they dont then there as fucked as last time Steady. I was just asking you for clarification. Not sure why you're suggesting people want to be poorer and treated like shit by the government though.they dont particulary but torys offerd people brexit and those who wanted that voted tory those who wanted to remain shared there votes all over the place so giving borisa massive win,if labour had of stuck to what they said in 2017 they could of prob had a coalition goverment and not lost all those voters,instead they listend to the likes of thornbury and starmer and got batterd and unbelivebly they put one of the main cheerleader for that choice in as leader thinking thats the way to win them voters back lol,anyways i cant wait till the next g.e its always entertaining watching one side gloating and the other side devestated whatever party wins.it was just as funny when blair beat the torys as it was when cameron/clegg beat old gordon I'm more pessimistic. The next GE will be the same shit. 90% of the media telling people too vote for the Tories. Job done. Brexit is a good example though. People voted for it because they believed some of the bullshit propaganda. Five minutes research would have shown them it's a scam and will make them worse off.lol u think the majority of people listen to the likes of the bbc and sky anymore and as for the print press i dont know anuone who reads a paper anymore,mabey the metro on the bus or tube but thats about it,have a bit more faith in your fellow human instead of thinking there all stupid,its really not a good look What's the explanation then? Why do people vote for politicians who openly don't give a fuck about them? because they have been doing it for as long as i can remember lol tory or labour it dont really matter whos in charge its only gona be a small portion of society whos lives will be better no matter whos running the show,personaly i find it bizzare that people put there trust in any politicians watever coulour flag they fly Then we're largely in agreement. And I still don't know why people vote for pricks who laugh at them, take their tax money and give it to their mates, while partying through the covid restrictions. " same reason why people voted for a twat who saddled the nhs with lorry loads of debt and lied to take us to war and then fucked ofc to earnmillions i imagine,like i said its all a charade tory labour dont matter whos in charge the average joe will always get fucked.its the reason i dont vote i dont have to choose what liar to vote for | |||
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