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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Thanks for replying I’m a bit on the fence. They have been offered a cheap solution and refused it so are wasting the NHS time and money if they subsequently need treatment . On the other side I totally believe free healthcare at source.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, but those who are vaccinated should think themselves very lucky that we have the NHS because I am sure private healthcare will start to be more expensive for the unvaccinated |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No, but those who are vaccinated should think themselves very lucky that we have the NHS because I am sure private healthcare will start to be more expensive for the unvaccinated "
Aren’t vaccinate  |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Anyone advocating making the unvaccinated pay for treatment needs to first consider the following (I say this as someone who is vaccinated):
1. What about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU or make them pay because their choice aligned with yours?
2. What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid?
3. How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU or make them pay?
4. Every tax payer in the UK has already paid into the system to fund the NHS. So you would make them pay twice? What about those who don’t need treatment? Do they get their tax refunded?
If you advocate the exclusion of any sector of society then give your head a wobble. It is not something a modern democratic society should ever consider. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone advocating making the unvaccinated pay for treatment needs to first consider the following (I say this as someone who is vaccinated):
1. What about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU or make them pay because their choice aligned with yours?
2. What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid?
3. How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU or make them pay?
4. Every tax payer in the UK has already paid into the system to fund the NHS. So you would make them pay twice? What about those who don’t need treatment? Do they get their tax refunded?
If you advocate the exclusion of any sector of society then give your head a wobble. It is not something a modern democratic society should ever consider."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone advocating making the unvaccinated pay for treatment needs to first consider the following (I say this as someone who is vaccinated):
1. What about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU or make them pay because their choice aligned with yours?
2. What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid?
3. How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU or make them pay?
4. Every tax payer in the UK has already paid into the system to fund the NHS. So you would make them pay twice? What about those who don’t need treatment? Do they get their tax refunded?
If you advocate the exclusion of any sector of society then give your head a wobble. It is not something a modern democratic society should ever consider."
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"Anyone advocating making the unvaccinated pay for treatment needs to first consider the following (I say this as someone who is vaccinated):
1. What about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU or make them pay because their choice aligned with yours?
2. What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid?
3. How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU or make them pay?
4. Every tax payer in the UK has already paid into the system to fund the NHS. So you would make them pay twice? What about those who don’t need treatment? Do they get their tax refunded?
If you advocate the exclusion of any sector of society then give your head a wobble. It is not something a modern democratic society should ever consider."
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Anyone advocating making the unvaccinated pay for treatment needs to first consider the following (I say this as someone who is vaccinated):
1. What about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU or make them pay because their choice aligned with yours?
2. What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid?
3. How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU or make them pay?
4. Every tax payer in the UK has already paid into the system to fund the NHS. So you would make them pay twice? What about those who don’t need treatment? Do they get their tax refunded?
If you advocate the exclusion of any sector of society then give your head a wobble. It is not something a modern democratic society should ever consider."
Very good points and I have to agree with you. I’m on this side of the fence in truth.
Btw I’m being provocative in the original question as I think it’s how the NHS could go. Dentistry seems to be a disappearing service on the NHS without any pushback from the government. Should obese people get free stomach surgery (no matter what the psychological issues are). That sort of thing is right wing fodder for those, in the words of Cummings “ foolish enough to believe”
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"Just a simple question.
Should those who refuse the Covid vaccine be forced to pay for any hospital medical care needed due to being ill solely with Covid? "
No.
They should still get the same medical care. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
No way,where do you stop? Sorry you smoke fuck off we not treating u for lung cancer,need a new liver? Sorry you have d*unk alcahol most of your life,knees have blown out because of your weight sorry fatso you should of eaten less,if we stop treating those with self inlicted. Illnesses then yea nhs will be half empty but plenty of dead people everywhere and aint we supposed to be a caring nation? |
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