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We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion |
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"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion"
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
Half a million people go bankrupt in the USA every year because they got “the wrong sort of” ill, or just were not insured at all.
Right wing philosophy is all about the free market and it applies to all aspects of services - including health. If the Conservatives could get away with privatising the NHS, they would do it in a heartbeat because it fits their ideological cause.
It won’t happen in a heartbeat, but it is happening bit by bit anyway. Covid has demonstrated this. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
Labour already started privatising parts of it in the early 2000s tories are carrying that on,when in opposition the nhs is a sacred cow,when whoever gets into power the nhs becomes an albertros round there necks.its was a great idea when it was first started and the amount of people in this country was around half of what it is now,an analouge system in a digital world if you like |
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"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion"
Give you a one sentence reply to NHS ( face to face statement 10th May 2020 23:15 NHS doctor )
" a dying person doesn't need water "
So you are defending a NHS which does not care one inch about patients? The NHS is no longer a medical service It is a political organisation that makes money for unnecessary manager lebels the top management whereas porters, cleaners, junior nurses are being " screwed "
Yes the great NHS lie
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion"
My opinion is you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion
Give you a one sentence reply to NHS ( face to face statement 10th May 2020 23:15 NHS doctor )
" a dying person doesn't need water "
So you are defending a NHS which does not care one inch about patients? The NHS is no longer a medical service It is a political organisation that makes money for unnecessary manager lebels the top management whereas porters, cleaners, junior nurses are being " screwed "
Yes the great NHS lie
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Pretty much what I've been saying for years.
In some areas it does a good job and there are many exemplary front line staff. But it is grossly overmanaged and NHS has almost become a by word for waste.
It doesn't matter how much money is thrown at it, it will just disappear down a bottomless pit. And it will always demand more and more, but nothing will change.
It will continue to be a political football with all sides promising more money that will either never appear or be just chucked down the drain.
It's worth remembering that it didn't improve much (if at all) in the Blair/Brown years and they left the country shackled to PFI.
Is privatisation the answer? Maybe, but why is private health care always compared to the American system?
I don't think anyone would want to go down that road but it is always flagged up as the example of how privatisation would work. Usually by the left who prefer to keep the status quo.
If you look a bit closer to home instead of constantly looking across the pond you will see that private heath care works very well in many countries.
The German system by far outshines the NHS and yes it is private, albeit controlled and monitored by government.
No six month plus waiting lists here, no waiting weeks to see your GP. If I wanted to see mine I would phone up on Monday and could be in on the same day. Worst ways up in a day or two.
When I needed a minor op a few years ago I saw the doctor, got an appointment with a specialist the next day, and was done and dusted the following week. And all free at the point of use.
If health care is your primary concern then tell me what is so wrong with that?
Britain needs to ask itself, does it want a health system that works or a job creation scheme that does a bit of health care on the side.
I would just add that (covid aside) Politian's here tend not to get too involved in the day to day running of health care and apart from a policy decision or two let it look after itself. They certainly don't constantly use it as a stick to beat each other over the head with.
Boris and Keir take note.
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"Half a million people go bankrupt in the USA every year because they got “the wrong sort of” ill, or just were not insured at all.
Right wing philosophy is all about the free market and it applies to all aspects of services - including health. If the Conservatives could get away with privatising the NHS, they would do it in a heartbeat because it fits their ideological cause.
It won’t happen in a heartbeat, but it is happening bit by bit anyway. Covid has demonstrated this."
you know fine well it will never happen it’s political suicide for any party always as been always will be |
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"Half a million people go bankrupt in the USA every year because they got “the wrong sort of” ill, or just were not insured at all.
Right wing philosophy is all about the free market and it applies to all aspects of services - including health. If the Conservatives could get away with privatising the NHS, they would do it in a heartbeat because it fits their ideological cause.
It won’t happen in a heartbeat, but it is happening bit by bit anyway. Covid has demonstrated this.you know fine well it will never happen it’s political suicide for any party always as been always will be "
They'd never do it openly, take advantage of circumstances to do the dirty work then privatise as the only plausible solition, "forcing their hands " |
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"The ridiculous right wanting to cancel the NHS since 1946.
Yet the Tories have been in power for longer than Labour since 1946
And its still here"
And funded higher than ever.
The anchor around many NHS trusts is paying back the PFI debts that were brought in by Bliar to build more hospitals (great) but not to use government money to do it. |
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"The ridiculous right wanting to cancel the NHS since 1946.
Yet the Tories have been in power for longer than Labour since 1946
And its still here
And funded higher than ever.
The anchor around many NHS trusts is paying back the PFI debts that were brought in by Bliar to build more hospitals (great) but not to use government money to do it."
Relative to other big OECD countries we could
do a lot better with spending and especially recruiting doctors but the big issue is that this has been on going for a decade.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/articles/howdoesukhealthcarespendingcomparewithothercountries/2019-08-29 |
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I amnot slaging off the n.h.s.
I just think with hospitals declaring emergencys and not having inough staff to run.
Boris is saying its all ok when hes secretly using the covid disaster to push the nhs into a final meltdown that it can never recover from |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion
Give you a one sentence reply to NHS ( face to face statement 10th May 2020 23:15 NHS doctor )
" a dying person doesn't need water "
So you are defending a NHS which does not care one inch about patients? The NHS is no longer a medical service It is a political organisation that makes money for unnecessary manager lebels the top management whereas porters, cleaners, junior nurses are being " screwed "
Yes the great NHS lie
Pretty much what I've been saying for years.
In some areas it does a good job and there are many exemplary front line staff. But it is grossly overmanaged and NHS has almost become a by word for waste.
It doesn't matter how much money is thrown at it, it will just disappear down a bottomless pit. And it will always demand more and more, but nothing will change.
It will continue to be a political football with all sides promising more money that will either never appear or be just chucked down the drain.
It's worth remembering that it didn't improve much (if at all) in the Blair/Brown years and they left the country shackled to PFI.
Is privatisation the answer? Maybe, but why is private health care always compared to the American system?
I don't think anyone would want to go down that road but it is always flagged up as the example of how privatisation would work. Usually by the left who prefer to keep the status quo.
If you look a bit closer to home instead of constantly looking across the pond you will see that private heath care works very well in many countries.
The German system by far outshines the NHS and yes it is private, albeit controlled and monitored by government.
No six month plus waiting lists here, no waiting weeks to see your GP. If I wanted to see mine I would phone up on Monday and could be in on the same day. Worst ways up in a day or two.
When I needed a minor op a few years ago I saw the doctor, got an appointment with a specialist the next day, and was done and dusted the following week. And all free at the point of use.
If health care is your primary concern then tell me what is so wrong with that?
Britain needs to ask itself, does it want a health system that works or a job creation scheme that does a bit of health care on the side.
I would just add that (covid aside) Politian's here tend not to get too involved in the day to day running of health care and apart from a policy decision or two let it look after itself. They certainly don't constantly use it as a stick to beat each other over the head with.
Boris and Keir take note.
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but it will NOT be the German system it will be the us system as many tory party donors and chums are heavily invested in those company's and stand to make millions for themselves they will as they have done all along privatise the profit and nationalize the debt |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion
Give you a one sentence reply to NHS ( face to face statement 10th May 2020 23:15 NHS doctor )
" a dying person doesn't need water "
So you are defending a NHS which does not care one inch about patients? The NHS is no longer a medical service It is a political organisation that makes money for unnecessary manager lebels the top management whereas porters, cleaners, junior nurses are being " screwed "
Yes the great NHS lie
Pretty much what I've been saying for years.
In some areas it does a good job and there are many exemplary front line staff. But it is grossly overmanaged and NHS has almost become a by word for waste.
It doesn't matter how much money is thrown at it, it will just disappear down a bottomless pit. And it will always demand more and more, but nothing will change.
It will continue to be a political football with all sides promising more money that will either never appear or be just chucked down the drain.
It's worth remembering that it didn't improve much (if at all) in the Blair/Brown years and they left the country shackled to PFI.
Is privatisation the answer? Maybe, but why is private health care always compared to the American system?
I don't think anyone would want to go down that road but it is always flagged up as the example of how privatisation would work. Usually by the left who prefer to keep the status quo.
If you look a bit closer to home instead of constantly looking across the pond you will see that private heath care works very well in many countries.
The German system by far outshines the NHS and yes it is private, albeit controlled and monitored by government.
No six month plus waiting lists here, no waiting weeks to see your GP. If I wanted to see mine I would phone up on Monday and could be in on the same day. Worst ways up in a day or two.
When I needed a minor op a few years ago I saw the doctor, got an appointment with a specialist the next day, and was done and dusted the following week. And all free at the point of use.
If health care is your primary concern then tell me what is so wrong with that?
Britain needs to ask itself, does it want a health system that works or a job creation scheme that does a bit of health care on the side.
I would just add that (covid aside) Politian's here tend not to get too involved in the day to day running of health care and apart from a policy decision or two let it look after itself. They certainly don't constantly use it as a stick to beat each other over the head with.
Boris and Keir take note.
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That does sound a very good system. Maybe more to it but on the surface it sounds excellent. How does the cost compare to the nhs setup? Do you have to take out private care or can you just stick with the state side of things? |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion
Give you a one sentence reply to NHS ( face to face statement 10th May 2020 23:15 NHS doctor )
" a dying person doesn't need water "
So you are defending a NHS which does not care one inch about patients? The NHS is no longer a medical service It is a political organisation that makes money for unnecessary manager lebels the top management whereas porters, cleaners, junior nurses are being " screwed "
Yes the great NHS lie
Pretty much what I've been saying for years.
In some areas it does a good job and there are many exemplary front line staff. But it is grossly overmanaged and NHS has almost become a by word for waste.
It doesn't matter how much money is thrown at it, it will just disappear down a bottomless pit. And it will always demand more and more, but nothing will change.
It will continue to be a political football with all sides promising more money that will either never appear or be just chucked down the drain.
It's worth remembering that it didn't improve much (if at all) in the Blair/Brown years and they left the country shackled to PFI.
Is privatisation the answer? Maybe, but why is private health care always compared to the American system?
I don't think anyone would want to go down that road but it is always flagged up as the example of how privatisation would work. Usually by the left who prefer to keep the status quo.
If you look a bit closer to home instead of constantly looking across the pond you will see that private heath care works very well in many countries.
The German system by far outshines the NHS and yes it is private, albeit controlled and monitored by government.
No six month plus waiting lists here, no waiting weeks to see your GP. If I wanted to see mine I would phone up on Monday and could be in on the same day. Worst ways up in a day or two.
When I needed a minor op a few years ago I saw the doctor, got an appointment with a specialist the next day, and was done and dusted the following week. And all free at the point of use.
If health care is your primary concern then tell me what is so wrong with that?
Britain needs to ask itself, does it want a health system that works or a job creation scheme that does a bit of health care on the side.
I would just add that (covid aside) Politian's here tend not to get too involved in the day to day running of health care and apart from a policy decision or two let it look after itself. They certainly don't constantly use it as a stick to beat each other over the head with.
Boris and Keir take note.
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We had no waiting lists under Blair and Brown and no annual NHS Crisis under Blair and Brown...have a look at the investment above inflation those 2 put in under their government.
Dont let the facts ruin a long thread |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Some mentioned the NHS is being funded huge amounts of money, but where it goes is just as important too.
Big bosses that don't deliver fro t line services, introduced by Thatcher when I was an A&E nurse at the time, and private business making big profits.
Too much money is going into the fat cat pockets and not to deliver a service.
When I was struggling to find blankets for patients who were short of them, fat cat bosses were ordering plush carpets and expensive furniture
That's what toryism is about
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As someone with extensive experience in this field I'm happy to state that the NHS is struggling because a) money in wasted as a matter of course and b) an increasing number of people are using the NHS resources without putting in. There's nothing political about it. |
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"The ridiculous right wanting to cancel the NHS since 1946.
Yet the Tories have been in power for longer than Labour since 1946
And its still here"
Because they fail every time duh! |
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By *ob rodMan
over a year ago
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The NHS is a poison chalice for any party
There are many many problems ask anyone who works in it about
Waste
Over managed
Society making poor lifestyle choices resulting in needing NHS
Fraud
Inefficiency
Funding is a small part of the problem
I think anyone would struggle to sort it throwing money at it won’t you might as well set fire to it
Constantly Blaming underfunding doesn’t help it gives people the mindset it just need more money and everything will be ok
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The NHS is a poison chalice for any party
There are many many problems ask anyone who works in it about
Waste
Over managed
Society making poor lifestyle choices resulting in needing NHS
Fraud
Inefficiency
Funding is a small part of the problem
I think anyone would struggle to sort it throwing money at it won’t you might as well set fire to it
Constantly Blaming underfunding doesn’t help it gives people the mindset it just need more money and everything will be ok
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From family experience a lot of this rings true. |
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You do realise the under Labour and Tony Blair there was lots of privatisation of various parts of the NHS. The porters are now Sodexo, alongside the cleaners and kitchen staff for example. Work is outsourced the private hospitals as well, and let's not forget the agencies supplying locum staff.
This isn't a Tory vs Labour thing, this is an establishment thing. Those who pull the strings of the politicians want the NHS privatised. |
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"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion"
No but any reasonable person can see its completely unfit for purpose. A bloated and costly albatross of a bygone era. But none of them dare take it on as its too big to take on and a guaranteed vote loser as its a comfort blanket for too many voters. If we are still having these debates in another 20 years we will have. Issued a huge opportunity to do something that will provide health care for the next 50 years rather than the last 50 years. |
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"We all know that the conservativs have tried to distroy the nhs every time they get in
They have tried cutbacks to kill nhs
They have tried privatisation to kill nhs
Are they now trying covid.
When nhs is declaring not inough staff to run and boris says everythings ok and they are telling nhs docs stop seeing folks at surgerys and consentrate on jabs.
Are the conservativs onto a wining formula to finaly break the nhs in such a way it will never recover.
Whats youre opinion
No but any reasonable person can see its completely unfit for purpose. A bloated and costly albatross of a bygone era. But none of them dare take it on as its too big to take on and a guaranteed vote loser as its a comfort blanket for too many voters. If we are still having these debates in another 20 years we will have. Issued a huge opportunity to do something that will provide health care for the next 50 years rather than the last 50 years. "
It's a costly albatross because too many greedy parasitical bastards are feeding on it |
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"The horse has bolted, the current bill going though parliament will split up the NHS into fragments. This will enable cherry picking for profit for the private sector. "
And for US big Pharma. As per the brexit plan. |
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