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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Definitely don’t read this article highlighting how much weaker we are not being part of the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59857275
The last line sums up Boris. He definitely said lots 
I feel another subsidy appearing if no deal done on steel very soon. Critical industry.
This government is like being on the dodgems . Lots of sharp turns loud noises and bumps before the erratic changing direction . Then when you see the end result all we are doing is going around in circles! There isn’t and never was a plan. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
Thing ive noticed the only ones who keep mentioning brexit are those who voted to remain the ones who voted to leave or didnt vote seem to pay it little attention they seem to not have given it a 2nd thought since last year,most of the threads postedon here about it are started by those who wanted to stay |
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By *hitsbayMan
over a year ago
Whitstable |
If i voted for it I wouldn't be saying much either what a shit show... And yet if there was any success at all the flag shaggers would be crowing from every rooftop
I think for every time we got told we where being negative project fear blah blah blah we should remind the 54% just how much they have set back our country.
And before someone asks what downsides, I couldn't even do a traditional boxing day dip in the sea because its full of shit welcome back to the sixties everyone |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
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"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
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did the steelworkers who lost there jobs on Teesside blame brexit oh waot that was before brexit asif jobs are only lost now |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
did the steelworkers who lost there jobs on Teesside blame brexit oh waot that was before brexit asif jobs are only lost now "
Bad government again so I agree with you there..
my dad lost his job due to cheap imports. In this case we have self inflicted the damage rather than said free market is the way. Hence my comment on more subsidies. |
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"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
did the steelworkers who lost there jobs on Teesside blame brexit oh waot that was before brexit asif jobs are only lost now
Bad government again so I agree with you there..
my dad lost his job due to cheap imports. In this case we have self inflicted the damage rather than said free market is the way. Hence my comment on more subsidies. "
I agree bad guverment I think labour where in power when Teesside where asking for help the first time and it was declined something to do with the eu I think I may be wrong |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
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the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another |
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"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another "
pmsl he’s been asking the same question for years ask him if Boris is still in charge that was another crap prediction lol |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the fact that we are in a World Pandemic is putting your fingers in your ears too.
But some people get a feather cut and a shell suit and that's it - that what they wear forever!"
What’s the pandemic got to do with US tariffs which have been removed for the EU countries but not ours??
Aren’t we supposed to have a special relationship to be able to get favourable status?
Queueing up to do a deal with us apparently.
Read the article and the steel company say they may move production to spain soon if something isn’t done. So why is it better to be in Spain all of a sudden?
I was given a black and purple Adidas shell suit in the 80s and it was swiftly handed to charity  . I didn’t fancy a perm either 
I was ugly enough and didn’t need any help to make my appearance worse . |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another "
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
did the steelworkers who lost there jobs on Teesside blame brexit oh waot that was before brexit asif jobs are only lost now
Bad government again so I agree with you there..
my dad lost his job due to cheap imports. In this case we have self inflicted the damage rather than said free market is the way. Hence my comment on more subsidies. I agree bad guverment I think labour where in power when Teesside where asking for help the first time and it was declined something to do with the eu I think I may be wrong "
Strange how other countries were allowed to give subsidies and we weren’t. Like I said out bad government over and over agin they have been crap. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Thing ive noticed the only ones who keep mentioning brexit are those who voted to remain the ones who voted to leave or didnt vote seem to pay it little attention they seem to not have given it a 2nd thought since last year,most of the threads postedon here about it are started by those who wanted to stay"
I think that if I had voted for Brexit, I would be pretty quiet about Brexit too just now. Nothing quite like having the consequences of gullibility rammed down one’s throat every day in the news. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Thing ive noticed the only ones who keep mentioning brexit are those who voted to remain the ones who voted to leave or didnt vote seem to pay it little attention they seem to not have given it a 2nd thought since last year,most of the threads postedon here about it are started by those who wanted to stay
I think that if I had voted for Brexit, I would be pretty quiet about Brexit too just now. Nothing quite like having the consequences of gullibility rammed down one’s throat every day in the news."
most i know who voted for it havent really paid it much attention since january last year way before any problems showed up,myself i didnt vote either way so no team in the game,must say though my life hasnt got any better or any worse since the vote so i cant really say its a disaster as its had no effect on me,others maybe having a different experience |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. "
so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit"
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . |
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"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . "
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the OBR latest forecast stated a 4% loss in gdp over the medium term. Are your figures from a more recent forecast or something? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks .
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the OBR latest forecast stated a 4% loss in gdp over the medium term. Are your figures from a more recent forecast or something?"
I’m happy to accept your figures as the best case scenario as the report escapes me at the moment. I think it was the economist quoting an updated report last week but the report could be two weeks old.
If you calculate over the medium to long ( 10 years ) with your the OBR 4% the figure by default increases year on year. We will still grow but not as much if we miss budget by 4% per year. It’s compounding and dragging.
Hope this makes sense . |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth |
“I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union”
That ain’t gonna happen though, is it? The Chequers Deal (leave now, pay an agreed amount to cover our financial obligations to the end of our contract, free trade, even seamless across the NI border ‘cos the UK’s and the EU’s standards will be the same, any anti-dumping issues that can’t be resolved eventually going to the ECJ) was demonised as “divorce bill” and “losing our sovereignty”.
Instead we chose: “leave now but not really leave now ‘cos we’ll carry on as before, paying in exactly the same as before, until the end of our contract; as for trivia like standards, Northern Ireland, who is the final arbiter in any dispute etc., well, within six months after the end of the contract the EU will give us anything we demand”.
Johnson’s running around waving his scrap of paper always reminded me of Chamberlain’s “Peace In Our Time” agreement with Hitler; the joke in Europe was that it took thirty minutes for 27 MS representatives to sign it, and twenty-five minutes of those were spent laughing.
The EU’s next “seven-year-plan” obviously doesn’t include any contribution from the UK, and as for customs union, who needs who? |
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"Thing ive noticed the only ones who keep mentioning brexit are those who voted to remain the ones who voted to leave or didnt vote seem to pay it little attention they seem to not have given it a 2nd thought since last year,most of the threads postedon here about it are started by those who wanted to stay"
Because they were on only interested in winning - never gave a rational thought to the actual reality and impact. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . "
but customs union and single market wasnt in the running leading up to the vote everyone was told if leave won the uk was out of everything and mays deal lol she couldnt get anyone to vote for it and it was that good it pretty much lost her the job |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . but customs union and single market wasnt in the running leading up to the vote everyone was told if leave won the uk was out of everything and mays deal lol she couldnt get anyone to vote for it and it was that good it pretty much lost her the job"
If things do not improve in the next year or two, it would be idiotic not to revisit solutions that would not be as economically damaging as we appear to have at the moment.
It really is bonkers not to be in the EU Single Market and benefit from that economically because we would rather be damaged by trade deals with Australia, New Zealand and the USA.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . but customs union and single market wasnt in the running leading up to the vote everyone was told if leave won the uk was out of everything and mays deal lol she couldnt get anyone to vote for it and it was that good it pretty much lost her the job"
Sadly it did cost her the job because vested interests held the narrative..
BOE said keep customs Union
CBI said customs Union
FSB said customs Union
90% Economists said customs Union a good thing.
And yet MPs who have no qualifications in such matters said to scrap it is the best way to go.
Think about it .. these idiots have shafted us for their own aims.. The vast majority of people in this country are going to be worse off. That’s fact and people are slowly realising they have been mislead.
So here we are
Worse off financially than staying in fact.
Borders could have been closed even whilst in the EU so no reason to leave.
Barriers to trade everywhere so increased costs in shops.
Bad trade deals so far and only a few like US/India left so don’t hold your breath.
Illegal Immigration even worse because we are saying “no entry” they find another way. If we accept them in a controlled we know where they are and no hidden nasties.
NI at risk from violence.
Blue passports
Sovereignty is a myth in todays global business world. Apple is worth cash the same as our annual economy, slightly more actually.
Got rid of accountable leaders for non accountable leaders. 800+ lords and 19ministers not elected.
( one removable leader in tbe EU and even they are elected by the MEPs)
It’s a long list of negative outcomes called project fear .
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"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . but customs union and single market wasnt in the running leading up to the vote everyone was told if leave won the uk was out of everything and mays deal lol she couldnt get anyone to vote for it and it was that good it pretty much lost her the job
Sadly it did cost her the job because vested interests held the narrative..
BOE said keep customs Union
CBI said customs Union
FSB said customs Union
90% Economists said customs Union a good thing.
And yet MPs who have no qualifications in such matters said to scrap it is the best way to go.
Think about it .. these idiots have shafted us for their own aims.. The vast majority of people in this country are going to be worse off. That’s fact and people are slowly realising they have been mislead.
So here we are
Worse off financially than staying in fact.
Borders could have been closed even whilst in the EU so no reason to leave.
Barriers to trade everywhere so increased costs in shops.
Bad trade deals so far and only a few like US/India left so don’t hold your breath.
Illegal Immigration even worse because we are saying “no entry” they find another way. If we accept them in a controlled we know where they are and no hidden nasties.
NI at risk from violence.
Blue passports
Sovereignty is a myth in todays global business world. Apple is worth cash the same as our annual economy, slightly more actually.
Got rid of accountable leaders for non accountable leaders. 800+ lords and 19ministers not elected.
( one removable leader in tbe EU and even they are elected by the MEPs)
It’s a long list of negative outcomes called project fear .
"
Yet we never had a say in joining the EU but we did have a say if we wanted to stay in it.
We voted to leave.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . but customs union and single market wasnt in the running leading up to the vote everyone was told if leave won the uk was out of everything and mays deal lol she couldnt get anyone to vote for it and it was that good it pretty much lost her the job
Sadly it did cost her the job because vested interests held the narrative..
BOE said keep customs Union
CBI said customs Union
FSB said customs Union
90% Economists said customs Union a good thing.
And yet MPs who have no qualifications in such matters said to scrap it is the best way to go.
Think about it .. these idiots have shafted us for their own aims.. The vast majority of people in this country are going to be worse off. That’s fact and people are slowly realising they have been mislead.
So here we are
Worse off financially than staying in fact.
Borders could have been closed even whilst in the EU so no reason to leave.
Barriers to trade everywhere so increased costs in shops.
Bad trade deals so far and only a few like US/India left so don’t hold your breath.
Illegal Immigration even worse because we are saying “no entry” they find another way. If we accept them in a controlled we know where they are and no hidden nasties.
NI at risk from violence.
Blue passports
Sovereignty is a myth in todays global business world. Apple is worth cash the same as our annual economy, slightly more actually.
Got rid of accountable leaders for non accountable leaders. 800+ lords and 19ministers not elected.
( one removable leader in tbe EU and even they are elected by the MEPs)
It’s a long list of negative outcomes called project fear .
"
i aint one side or the other u say vested intrests yea some of it was that but plenty voted against it who wanted to remain in the EU are they just as culpable of it not getting voted through as the loons in the tory party,if only they had voted for her deal instead of trying every trick they could think of to halt leaving.truth is both sides ended up shooting themselves in the foot |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . but customs union and single market wasnt in the running leading up to the vote everyone was told if leave won the uk was out of everything and mays deal lol she couldnt get anyone to vote for it and it was that good it pretty much lost her the job
Sadly it did cost her the job because vested interests held the narrative..
BOE said keep customs Union
CBI said customs Union
FSB said customs Union
90% Economists said customs Union a good thing.
And yet MPs who have no qualifications in such matters said to scrap it is the best way to go.
Think about it .. these idiots have shafted us for their own aims.. The vast majority of people in this country are going to be worse off. That’s fact and people are slowly realising they have been mislead.
So here we are
Worse off financially than staying in fact.
Borders could have been closed even whilst in the EU so no reason to leave.
Barriers to trade everywhere so increased costs in shops.
Bad trade deals so far and only a few like US/India left so don’t hold your breath.
Illegal Immigration even worse because we are saying “no entry” they find another way. If we accept them in a controlled we know where they are and no hidden nasties.
NI at risk from violence.
Blue passports
Sovereignty is a myth in todays global business world. Apple is worth cash the same as our annual economy, slightly more actually.
Got rid of accountable leaders for non accountable leaders. 800+ lords and 19ministers not elected.
( one removable leader in tbe EU and even they are elected by the MEPs)
It’s a long list of negative outcomes called project fear .
Yet we never had a say in joining the EU but we did have a say if we wanted to stay in it.
We voted to leave.
Respect the result and move on. "
Where have I said I didn’t respect the result?
I don’t respect those who lied to get the result but my disappointment is aimed at those who lied not those who voted. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"To ignore the constant negatives of Brexit doesn’t mean they will go away. Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting I’m not listening is ignoring the problems caused and still being caused by Brexit.
Should the steelworkers who jobs are at risk just say don’t say anything lads it’s just Brexit costing us our jobs.. oh that’s ok then the now relaxed shop steward will say.
Or as some are doing should we be shouting hang on Boris what the fuck are you going to do about this mess ?
I bet when you have a flat tire you just say it’s ok it’s only a flat tire and I was warned that it might happen but I’ll just keep quiet!! It’ll sort itself if I wait long enough.
I’m not trying to undo Brexit I just want the government to work on the shit show and admit the oven ready deal isn’t working. We need practical solutions not political posturing.
the post was about not mentioning brexit i just poinyed out the ones who keep mentioning it are those who didnt want it,and as for its destroying the country lol the country was fucked way before brexit its just the people who earn 40 grand or more a year are noticing it more for whole areas of the country its been fucked for the last 25-30 years and as for a flat tyre u was talking about easy just buy another
You missed the point about the tyre. Doing nothing or in this case saying nothing isn’t an option. The problem needs fixing not ignoring. so this problem you keep mentioning hows it gona be fixed? We aint in the single market or customs union no more and can u really see the torys changing there mind on that? run the vote again and hope rejoin wins,basically until there is another GE your stuck with bojo and his merry men and they aint gona change shit
The way it’s going for business quite simply they have to do something and they know they have to. Above I mentioned a steel works potentially moving staff . We are subsidising car factories to stay here and that’s not sustainable long term as the issue is customs Union not efficiency.
My own business has moved some production to Belgium to avoid the customs issues. Thea are all real jobs and add to that the loss of GDP and subsequent loss of tax revenue and we do have a serious problem. ( down 5-15% decrease over 10 years compared to being in the EU)
I personally would go back to Teresa May’s proposal of a customs Union . The new trade dels are just shit so no benefit whatsoever. We will now import more from Australia New Zealand and Japan so a negative overall.
The US will be the same I believe .
It would boost business to have a customs Union . I’d also give free movement for those with jobs offered here. And make those offering the jobs guarantee that PAYE tax payable for six months to avoid fake jobs being offered.
We could have done this while part of the EU. Then no benefit migrants which are small anyway. The Daily Mail whips up rubbish on numbers but reality is the benefit element is very low.
So I’m not talking revolution just tweaks . but customs union and single market wasnt in the running leading up to the vote everyone was told if leave won the uk was out of everything and mays deal lol she couldnt get anyone to vote for it and it was that good it pretty much lost her the job
Sadly it did cost her the job because vested interests held the narrative..
BOE said keep customs Union
CBI said customs Union
FSB said customs Union
90% Economists said customs Union a good thing.
And yet MPs who have no qualifications in such matters said to scrap it is the best way to go.
Think about it .. these idiots have shafted us for their own aims.. The vast majority of people in this country are going to be worse off. That’s fact and people are slowly realising they have been mislead.
So here we are
Worse off financially than staying in fact.
Borders could have been closed even whilst in the EU so no reason to leave.
Barriers to trade everywhere so increased costs in shops.
Bad trade deals so far and only a few like US/India left so don’t hold your breath.
Illegal Immigration even worse because we are saying “no entry” they find another way. If we accept them in a controlled we know where they are and no hidden nasties.
NI at risk from violence.
Blue passports
Sovereignty is a myth in todays global business world. Apple is worth cash the same as our annual economy, slightly more actually.
Got rid of accountable leaders for non accountable leaders. 800+ lords and 19ministers not elected.
( one removable leader in tbe EU and even they are elected by the MEPs)
It’s a long list of negative outcomes called project fear .
i aint one side or the other u say vested intrests yea some of it was that but plenty voted against it who wanted to remain in the EU are they just as culpable of it not getting voted through as the loons in the tory party,if only they had voted for her deal instead of trying every trick they could think of to halt leaving.truth is both sides ended up shooting themselves in the foot"
I agree I think both sides were shocking but that’s the level of quality in our MPs. The leave side just lied and made shit up the remain we’re morbid, negative and didn’t show the positives.
Unfortunately the tax evasion backers of leave held most of the media so the story told was bias.
Good government make changes for the good of the country which we desperately need now. They are crap so won’t as they are about image and lining their pockets. We need to sweep away our corrupt electoral system. We need true democracy where our MPs put the population first not their own power and status. Boris appointing financial backers to the lords and Blair getting a order of the garter. Both wrong.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments |
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"Thing ive noticed the only ones who keep mentioning brexit are those who voted to remain the ones who voted to leave or didnt vote seem to pay it little attention they seem to not have given it a 2nd thought since last year,most of the threads postedon here about it are started by those who wanted to stay"
This is a good point. Maybe people who voted to drop the huge brexit turd onto the UK, should think about it a little.
Next time there is a vote of this importance, they might think about the consequences.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments"
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
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I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now "
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. "
shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer"
And that is exactly the mindset that many, many politicians have taken advantage of over the years.
“Mustn’t grumble, it doesn’t affect me personally yet, so carry on.”
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
And that is exactly the mindset that many, many politicians have taken advantage of over the years.
“Mustn’t grumble, it doesn’t affect me personally yet, so carry on.”
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hahaha my mindset is dont take part its that simple i was just telling jackal to not stress about it he could end up making himself ill if he lets it get under his skin to much,do you really think banging on about it on a swingers site is gona make a blind bit of difference to where we are now? Get off here and start a grass roots movement to get another vote,your screaming into the wind moaning about it online |
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. "
racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit |
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit "
Are there any better reasons for leaving the EU?
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer"
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
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"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
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"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
"
Let's face it you are never going to be happy that the UK voted to leave the EU.
You said earlier that you respect the vote but all you do is keep posting negative things.
You may not be happy and see any positives but other people are happy we are no longer in the EU.
However I maintain if the UK were still in a trade only EEC (and I mean trade only, no free movement, no parliment plus all the other tosh) we would not have had the vote in the first place. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit "
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs . |
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"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
Let's face it you are never going to be happy that the UK voted to leave the EU.
You said earlier that you respect the vote but all you do is keep posting negative things.
You may not be happy and see any positives but other people are happy we are no longer in the EU.
However I maintain if the UK were still in a trade only EEC (and I mean trade only, no free movement, no parliment plus all the other tosh) we would not have had the vote in the first place."
No one paying attention is happy with brexit.
The main argument from people who still think it was a good idea, is that they're just ignoring what's going on. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
Let's face it you are never going to be happy that the UK voted to leave the EU.
You said earlier that you respect the vote but all you do is keep posting negative things.
You may not be happy and see any positives but other people are happy we are no longer in the EU.
However I maintain if the UK were still in a trade only EEC (and I mean trade only, no free movement, no parliment plus all the other tosh) we would not have had the vote in the first place."
Happy to respect the vote.
Happy to receive why people are happy and why they think their reason is worth hurting our economy by hundreds of billions ..
Please feel free to list the positives that make life better not the emotional ones the physical stuff that improves our lives in the U.K.
The ones that make life easier
The ones that make you better off
The ones that make you safer
The ones that make our food safer to eat
The ones that secure your rights
Saying people are happy is great and I’m pleased for them but knowing why they are pleased seems to escape them. Like I said it’s just emotional bullshit .
We can’t have customs Union ( free trade ) if we all make things in a different way. So if we allowed sl4ve labour and they didn’t that’s not fair is it.
It ms why we import so much from China instead of making it here . Because the workers there are paid a pittance. They should be banned from
Importing the stuff if we can make it here.
We want a living wage here but want to buy £2 t shirts . Hmmm
Its why China and India are rising and we are fucked. We’ve invited them for dinner and they’ve taken over the table along with our money. |
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs . "
yrs we know there’s racist scum out there but that’s nothing to do with brexit mate same as the steelworkers loosing there jobs and every government as shit on Teesside that’s why I don’t think they will get back in with a leader based in London we are sick to death of London getting ten times more that is up here but to be fair we have investment up here like never before due to the Freeport |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
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i dont know what u have been doing the last cpl of decades but if u think the countrys fucked just in the last 5 or 6 years you aint been paying attention,ive said elsewhere on the forums tjose lucky enough to have been earning a good living are noticing it now as there standard of living is dropping for a massive chunk of the country there standard of living has been shit for years and it wadnt leaving the eu that caused that as the standard of living for those people has been shit in or out of the eu,people didnt give a fuck about the left behind while there own lives were comfatable now people are starting to feel the pinch there all of a sudden concerned about peoples standard of living |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs . yrs we know there’s racist scum out there but that’s nothing to do with brexit mate same as the steelworkers loosing there jobs and every government as shit on Teesside that’s why I don’t think they will get back in with a leader based in London we are sick to death of London getting ten times more that is up here but to be fair we have investment up here like never before due to the Freeport "
I hope it works out mate. I spent a lot of time north of you in Felling and watched as a lot of friends were kicked onto the scrap heap. I used to visit an engineering works up there and it was on an industrial estate with about 10 similar businesses.
I stopped by a few years ago to say hello and they were closing it down and sending the machinery abroad. They were the only factory left on that estate as all the others had gone. Only thing there was a cheap discount clothing outlet. So bloody sad. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
i dont know what u have been doing the last cpl of decades but if u think the countrys fucked just in the last 5 or 6 years you aint been paying attention,ive said elsewhere on the forums tjose lucky enough to have been earning a good living are noticing it now as there standard of living is dropping for a massive chunk of the country there standard of living has been shit for years and it wadnt leaving the eu that caused that as the standard of living for those people has been shit in or out of the eu,people didnt give a fuck about the left behind while there own lives were comfatable now people are starting to feel the pinch there all of a sudden concerned about peoples standard of living"
If you read the detail on how our economy has grown as part of the EU and then look to where the money is that’s your answer.
It’s not the EU that’s fucked us it’s our own governments . Look at how much richer the rich have got and how much the same or worse off the rest of us are.
Our GDP has doubled while in the EU so who’s conning who? We should have 80 new hospitals and decent social care for all . Where’s the money gone?? Never mind North Sea oil. Now read about U.K. tax avoidance and again you’re eyes will be opened.
As I said above I’ve seen how engineering has been destroyed on a large scale in the U.K. never mind clothing manufacturing etc etc. businesses are global and can move to the cheapest labour market at a whim.
JCB go on about the growing market in China for exports. So what do they do they build a factory in China . That’s not jobs here it’s money for the Bamfords.
He just wants to live off his tax free money in the U.K. so pushed for Brexit to stop him being taxed at the same rate as his workers.
We have a market next door where workers earn roughly the same and expect the same standards of living so we decide to fuck them off and try to compete with $10 a day Asian workers. Really?
Corporations don’t pay tax in the U.K. on sales
Rich individuals don’t pay tax on income in the U.K.
The EU was coming to stop that and then amazingly we have Brexit.
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"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
i dont know what u have been doing the last cpl of decades but if u think the countrys fucked just in the last 5 or 6 years you aint been paying attention,ive said elsewhere on the forums tjose lucky enough to have been earning a good living are noticing it now as there standard of living is dropping for a massive chunk of the country there standard of living has been shit for years and it wadnt leaving the eu that caused that as the standard of living for those people has been shit in or out of the eu,people didnt give a fuck about the left behind while there own lives were comfatable now people are starting to feel the pinch there all of a sudden concerned about peoples standard of living
If you read the detail on how our economy has grown as part of the EU and then look to where the money is that’s your answer.
It’s not the EU that’s fucked us it’s our own governments . Look at how much richer the rich have got and how much the same or worse off the rest of us are.
Our GDP has doubled while in the EU so who’s conning who? We should have 80 new hospitals and decent social care for all . Where’s the money gone?? Never mind North Sea oil. Now read about U.K. tax avoidance and again you’re eyes will be opened.
As I said above I’ve seen how engineering has been destroyed on a large scale in the U.K. never mind clothing manufacturing etc etc. businesses are global and can move to the cheapest labour market at a whim.
JCB go on about the growing market in China for exports. So what do they do they build a factory in China . That’s not jobs here it’s money for the Bamfords.
He just wants to live off his tax free money in the U.K. so pushed for Brexit to stop him being taxed at the same rate as his workers.
We have a market next door where workers earn roughly the same and expect the same standards of living so we decide to fuck them off and try to compete with $10 a day Asian workers. Really?
Corporations don’t pay tax in the U.K. on sales
Rich individuals don’t pay tax on income in the U.K.
The EU was coming to stop that and then amazingly we have Brexit.
We have been mugged . "
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs . yrs we know there’s racist scum out there but that’s nothing to do with brexit mate same as the steelworkers loosing there jobs and every government as shit on Teesside that’s why I don’t think they will get back in with a leader based in London we are sick to death of London getting ten times more that is up here but to be fair we have investment up here like never before due to the Freeport
I hope it works out mate. I spent a lot of time north of you in Felling and watched as a lot of friends were kicked onto the scrap heap. I used to visit an engineering works up there and it was on an industrial estate with about 10 similar businesses.
I stopped by a few years ago to say hello and they were closing it down and sending the machinery abroad. They were the only factory left on that estate as all the others had gone. Only thing there was a cheap discount clothing outlet. So bloody sad. "
so do I mate it’s well needed government and private investment aswell it’s not just the Freeport lots of other things happening up here Iv never know investment like it |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
i dont know what u have been doing the last cpl of decades but if u think the countrys fucked just in the last 5 or 6 years you aint been paying attention,ive said elsewhere on the forums tjose lucky enough to have been earning a good living are noticing it now as there standard of living is dropping for a massive chunk of the country there standard of living has been shit for years and it wadnt leaving the eu that caused that as the standard of living for those people has been shit in or out of the eu,people didnt give a fuck about the left behind while there own lives were comfatable now people are starting to feel the pinch there all of a sudden concerned about peoples standard of living
If you read the detail on how our economy has grown as part of the EU and then look to where the money is that’s your answer.
It’s not the EU that’s fucked us it’s our own governments . Look at how much richer the rich have got and how much the same or worse off the rest of us are.
Our GDP has doubled while in the EU so who’s conning who? We should have 80 new hospitals and decent social care for all . Where’s the money gone?? Never mind North Sea oil. Now read about U.K. tax avoidance and again you’re eyes will be opened.
As I said above I’ve seen how engineering has been destroyed on a large scale in the U.K. never mind clothing manufacturing etc etc. businesses are global and can move to the cheapest labour market at a whim.
JCB go on about the growing market in China for exports. So what do they do they build a factory in China . That’s not jobs here it’s money for the Bamfords.
He just wants to live off his tax free money in the U.K. so pushed for Brexit to stop him being taxed at the same rate as his workers.
We have a market next door where workers earn roughly the same and expect the same standards of living so we decide to fuck them off and try to compete with $10 a day Asian workers. Really?
Corporations don’t pay tax in the U.K. on sales
Rich individuals don’t pay tax on income in the U.K.
The EU was coming to stop that and then amazingly we have Brexit.
We have been mugged . "
yea all our goverments have fucked us red blue and even the lib dems had a go at fucking us aswell yet we was in the club for 40 years and not a peep,only reason the eu wanted to stop the tax fiddles is because the uk was earning out of it and they wasnt,ask the youth across the eu outside of france and germany and see if the eu has worked out for them,massive youth unemployment even worse than here,like i said i didnt vote but dont fool yourself the ei is a force for good its run by people from the same mold as boris trump clinton and biden |
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs . "
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.! |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs .
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.!"
My figures are out of date by a couple of years and should have been £3500 for London sorry typo.. I wouldn’t know if it includes everything inside the m25 either to be truthful. It was an independent review. So not politically funded. . Manchester was £700 per year in the same audit. I included Tees but the review used Tyne and wear as reference but the regional investment was the same.
The principal is still the same as all should be treated equally at least. The imbalance in regional investment was very stark. Add the cross rail and constant investment in the likes of new tube lines and extending the DLR. and compare that to Manchester still using a bus body on a train chassis on one regional route as there’s no money for new carriages. Think it was scrapped last year. Or where did the southern trains’ forty year old carriages replaced by new carriages go?? Yes to Northern rail.
The levelling up is nonsense and the fact that government policy has for years structurally favoured the south east is disgraceful.
The Manchester tram shows what a difference investment can make in the regions.
If it had received the same money as London per head the region wouldn’t have traffic jams at all and trains would be new.
If you think about it laterally the north should receive more per head as the population is less dense and there’s more distance between them so will cost more per mile per head. . Fantasy I know.. equal would be nice. We all pay the same tax don’t we?
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Here’s one to read in 2019 “after” government upped the spend in the north.
https://www.moneyexpert.com/news/londoners-get-three-times-transport-spending-per-person-north/
Note the north east and Humber . London still seven times the amount. It still doesn’t give geography of London border.
I do not know if London’s figures include cross rail or major projects like DLR as that could be on top as national structure . I have no idea.
I think you will find a Tory government will be squeezing a labour major over the last few years to make him look bad. So expect some reductions but that won’t last.
Business as usual when the city kicks off.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Im not talking about the run up to the vote,you said mays deal would of worked because it kept us in the customs union,i just pointed out it wasnt just the erg and some loons who kept voting it down it was being voted down by the other partys aswell because m.ps who wanted to remain thought if it kept getting voted down they would get there wish of overturning the result,thats what i meant about both sides shooting themselves in the foot,agree with you though about both sides stetching the truth to suit there arguments
Yes I missed that point and I do agree with you. I also think Corbyn was an idiot. He agreed to an election that Boris wanted but Boris wouldn’t have had the landslide if Corbyn had held out. A compromise maybe would have happened over Brexit at that point. Corbyn’s message was I think I’ll sit on the fence then his advisors told him you might win !!
It conforms two things . One our MPs are incompetent and two complicated changes cannot be decided on a referendum because despite claims to the contrary people didn’t know what they were voting for in reality. There was no detail at that point to vote on.
Now here we are in this mess. shit happens and brexit has happend to so whats the point in stressing about it just end up with an ulcer
I’m not stressing I’m financially secure thanks. I’m debating and we need to do something as this country in heading into the gutter with this incompetent government. Our children and grandchildren are being left a country not fit for them because we are fucking it up and that “we” includes me because I didn’t shout about it loudly either. So those who thought it was a good idea just kept believing the Daily Mail .
We are lagging behind other developed countries in growth and wealth and we are being lied to by our government who are saying everything is fine.
“We are recruiting 6000 more doctors “ The number has actually dropped .
9000 more policemen - After they sacked 20,000 so it’s not more at all it’s still 11000 less.
“We lead the vaccinations” We don’t we are around 13th in western countries and 6th or 7th in Europe but they don’t shout about that .
We can put a crown on a pint - news flash, we always could !! Just bloody lies all the time to appear to be doing well.
Still we now have the choice to import shit good so there’s a bonus.
It’s not about Brexit so much as about incompetent government and this lot are literally underneath the bottom of the scraped barrel!
i dont know what u have been doing the last cpl of decades but if u think the countrys fucked just in the last 5 or 6 years you aint been paying attention,ive said elsewhere on the forums tjose lucky enough to have been earning a good living are noticing it now as there standard of living is dropping for a massive chunk of the country there standard of living has been shit for years and it wadnt leaving the eu that caused that as the standard of living for those people has been shit in or out of the eu,people didnt give a fuck about the left behind while there own lives were comfatable now people are starting to feel the pinch there all of a sudden concerned about peoples standard of living
If you read the detail on how our economy has grown as part of the EU and then look to where the money is that’s your answer.
It’s not the EU that’s fucked us it’s our own governments . Look at how much richer the rich have got and how much the same or worse off the rest of us are.
Our GDP has doubled while in the EU so who’s conning who? We should have 80 new hospitals and decent social care for all . Where’s the money gone?? Never mind North Sea oil. Now read about U.K. tax avoidance and again you’re eyes will be opened.
As I said above I’ve seen how engineering has been destroyed on a large scale in the U.K. never mind clothing manufacturing etc etc. businesses are global and can move to the cheapest labour market at a whim.
JCB go on about the growing market in China for exports. So what do they do they build a factory in China . That’s not jobs here it’s money for the Bamfords.
He just wants to live off his tax free money in the U.K. so pushed for Brexit to stop him being taxed at the same rate as his workers.
We have a market next door where workers earn roughly the same and expect the same standards of living so we decide to fuck them off and try to compete with $10 a day Asian workers. Really?
Corporations don’t pay tax in the U.K. on sales
Rich individuals don’t pay tax on income in the U.K.
The EU was coming to stop that and then amazingly we have Brexit.
We have been mugged . yea all our goverments have fucked us red blue and even the lib dems had a go at fucking us aswell yet we was in the club for 40 years and not a peep,only reason the eu wanted to stop the tax fiddles is because the uk was earning out of it and they wasnt,ask the youth across the eu outside of france and germany and see if the eu has worked out for them,massive youth unemployment even worse than here,like i said i didnt vote but dont fool yourself the ei is a force for good its run by people from the same mold as boris trump clinton and biden"
I agree with most of that . The EU has left wing, middle and greens to hold the excessive greed in check though as it’s a better mix. We just have a minority system of first past the post so the greedy useless bastards red or blue don’t have to share or care so much. |
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs .
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.!
My figures are out of date by a couple of years and should have been £3500 for London sorry typo.. I wouldn’t know if it includes everything inside the m25 either to be truthful. It was an independent review. So not politically funded. . Manchester was £700 per year in the same audit. I included Tees but the review used Tyne and wear as reference but the regional investment was the same.
The principal is still the same as all should be treated equally at least. The imbalance in regional investment was very stark. Add the cross rail and constant investment in the likes of new tube lines and extending the DLR. and compare that to Manchester still using a bus body on a train chassis on one regional route as there’s no money for new carriages. Think it was scrapped last year. Or where did the southern trains’ forty year old carriages replaced by new carriages go?? Yes to Northern rail.
The levelling up is nonsense and the fact that government policy has for years structurally favoured the south east is disgraceful.
The Manchester tram shows what a difference investment can make in the regions.
If it had received the same money as London per head the region wouldn’t have traffic jams at all and trains would be new.
If you think about it laterally the north should receive more per head as the population is less dense and there’s more distance between them so will cost more per mile per head. . Fantasy I know.. equal would be nice. We all pay the same tax don’t we?
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I disagree will your logic as transportation is to move people.
So if you have a large amount of people in an area you need to spend more in that area.
Like stated before there are 31.5M journeys a DAY in London so the infrastructure, running costs and maintenance have a much high cost than with somewhere with a lower population and a far less daily journey numbers.
I would be more than happy if 3 or 4 Million people moved up North to share the burden.
You mentioned the DLR, but the concept has alway been regeneration.
There would never have been a Canary Wharf without it and the DLR has created more money by investment and business than it has cost. Housing is another benefit of the DLR because once it has had approval the private and social housing has been built.
As for new tube lines the last new one was the jubilee line which opened in 1977.
Crossrail is over budget and almost 4 years late with no set date for opening fully. You can look directly at the Labour London Mayor for this for not getting it sorted as he has been in charge for almost six years.
As for paying taxes we all pay the same percentage of our earnings. However if your earnings are higher in the south you pay more actually money into the treasury. So to have money on spent on transportation to get you to work so you can pay that money into the treasury is a good thing. |
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs .
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.!
My figures are out of date by a couple of years and should have been £3500 for London sorry typo.. I wouldn’t know if it includes everything inside the m25 either to be truthful. It was an independent review. So not politically funded. . Manchester was £700 per year in the same audit. I included Tees but the review used Tyne and wear as reference but the regional investment was the same.
The principal is still the same as all should be treated equally at least. The imbalance in regional investment was very stark. Add the cross rail and constant investment in the likes of new tube lines and extending the DLR. and compare that to Manchester still using a bus body on a train chassis on one regional route as there’s no money for new carriages. Think it was scrapped last year. Or where did the southern trains’ forty year old carriages replaced by new carriages go?? Yes to Northern rail.
The levelling up is nonsense and the fact that government policy has for years structurally favoured the south east is disgraceful.
The Manchester tram shows what a difference investment can make in the regions.
If it had received the same money as London per head the region wouldn’t have traffic jams at all and trains would be new.
If you think about it laterally the north should receive more per head as the population is less dense and there’s more distance between them so will cost more per mile per head. . Fantasy I know.. equal would be nice. We all pay the same tax don’t we?
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs .
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.!
My figures are out of date by a couple of years and should have been £3500 for London sorry typo.. I wouldn’t know if it includes everything inside the m25 either to be truthful. It was an independent review. So not politically funded. . Manchester was £700 per year in the same audit. I included Tees but the review used Tyne and wear as reference but the regional investment was the same.
The principal is still the same as all should be treated equally at least. The imbalance in regional investment was very stark. Add the cross rail and constant investment in the likes of new tube lines and extending the DLR. and compare that to Manchester still using a bus body on a train chassis on one regional route as there’s no money for new carriages. Think it was scrapped last year. Or where did the southern trains’ forty year old carriages replaced by new carriages go?? Yes to Northern rail.
The levelling up is nonsense and the fact that government policy has for years structurally favoured the south east is disgraceful.
The Manchester tram shows what a difference investment can make in the regions.
If it had received the same money as London per head the region wouldn’t have traffic jams at all and trains would be new.
If you think about it laterally the north should receive more per head as the population is less dense and there’s more distance between them so will cost more per mile per head. . Fantasy I know.. equal would be nice. We all pay the same tax don’t we?
I disagree will your logic as transportation is to move people.
So if you have a large amount of people in an area you need to spend more in that area.
Like stated before there are 31.5M journeys a DAY in London so the infrastructure, running costs and maintenance have a much high cost than with somewhere with a lower population and a far less daily journey numbers.
I would be more than happy if 3 or 4 Million people moved up North to share the burden.
You mentioned the DLR, but the concept has alway been regeneration.
There would never have been a Canary Wharf without it and the DLR has created more money by investment and business than it has cost. Housing is another benefit of the DLR because once it has had approval the private and social housing has been built.
As for new tube lines the last new one was the jubilee line which opened in 1977.
Crossrail is over budget and almost 4 years late with no set date for opening fully. You can look directly at the Labour London Mayor for this for not getting it sorted as he has been in charge for almost six years.
As for paying taxes we all pay the same percentage of our earnings. However if your earnings are higher in the south you pay more actually money into the treasury. So to have money on spent on transportation to get you to work so you can pay that money into the treasury is a good thing."
You missed the point on lateral but it’s not important. And not realistic cost wise.
So invest in DLR and jobs created . Interesting that theory isn’t used in the rest of the country. Yet there you are proving it works.
Erm I think the £18.7Billion on the Elizabeth line due to open this year is a pretty new tube line!!
So the unemployed , the poor and average tax payer who also live in London should receive £3500 too?? Doesn’t seem fair to the 66m who don’t live in London. But maybe their tax doesn’t count. So let’s use your theory in hospitals and spend seven times as much in London and let the rest die.
London’s wealth was created by trade carried out by workers, farmers, by sl4ve workers and a great deal by industrialist investors. Yes London workers too. Don’t forget your history on where a lot of that wealth came and comes from. Fortunes are made trading products created elsewhere. Back packing in effect.
London also takes most of the U.K. tax used to pay for government offices, civil service offices too.. NHS, Home Office, MOD, Foreign Office, etc,etc So don’t forget that huge employment subsidy we all pay for those mostly higher ranking jobs and more expensive buildings. Oh and of course the head offices of business from around the U.K because of non existent access to government elsewhere. Take way the driver for house prices and London would look a very different place. Imagine moving government to Birmingham. Watch as those corporations trek up the M6 to their new offices.
The ridiculous bias towards London has held this country back when you compare to the likes of other countries like Germany where regional centres have flourished through serious infrastructure investment. .
If only the rest of the U.K. has it so good with subsidies over the last 30 years . Sadly there you are with all that wealth and there are thousands of streets full of nothing but poverty.. Not sharing it that fairly or wisely eh??
I don’t want London to suffer in any way. Mainly because part of my family would suffer too!! I just want every other regional centre to be able to catch up with equal investment. This country would be a lot richer.
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs .
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.!
My figures are out of date by a couple of years and should have been £3500 for London sorry typo.. I wouldn’t know if it includes everything inside the m25 either to be truthful. It was an independent review. So not politically funded. . Manchester was £700 per year in the same audit. I included Tees but the review used Tyne and wear as reference but the regional investment was the same.
The principal is still the same as all should be treated equally at least. The imbalance in regional investment was very stark. Add the cross rail and constant investment in the likes of new tube lines and extending the DLR. and compare that to Manchester still using a bus body on a train chassis on one regional route as there’s no money for new carriages. Think it was scrapped last year. Or where did the southern trains’ forty year old carriages replaced by new carriages go?? Yes to Northern rail.
The levelling up is nonsense and the fact that government policy has for years structurally favoured the south east is disgraceful.
The Manchester tram shows what a difference investment can make in the regions.
If it had received the same money as London per head the region wouldn’t have traffic jams at all and trains would be new.
If you think about it laterally the north should receive more per head as the population is less dense and there’s more distance between them so will cost more per mile per head. . Fantasy I know.. equal would be nice. We all pay the same tax don’t we?
I disagree will your logic as transportation is to move people.
So if you have a large amount of people in an area you need to spend more in that area.
Like stated before there are 31.5M journeys a DAY in London so the infrastructure, running costs and maintenance have a much high cost than with somewhere with a lower population and a far less daily journey numbers.
I would be more than happy if 3 or 4 Million people moved up North to share the burden.
You mentioned the DLR, but the concept has alway been regeneration.
There would never have been a Canary Wharf without it and the DLR has created more money by investment and business than it has cost. Housing is another benefit of the DLR because once it has had approval the private and social housing has been built.
As for new tube lines the last new one was the jubilee line which opened in 1977.
Crossrail is over budget and almost 4 years late with no set date for opening fully. You can look directly at the Labour London Mayor for this for not getting it sorted as he has been in charge for almost six years.
As for paying taxes we all pay the same percentage of our earnings. However if your earnings are higher in the south you pay more actually money into the treasury. So to have money on spent on transportation to get you to work so you can pay that money into the treasury is a good thing.
You missed the point on lateral but it’s not important. And not realistic cost wise.
So invest in DLR and jobs created . Interesting that theory isn’t used in the rest of the country. Yet there you are proving it works.
Erm I think the £18.7Billion on the Elizabeth line due to open this year is a pretty new tube line!!
So the unemployed , the poor and average tax payer who also live in London should receive £3500 too?? Doesn’t seem fair to the 66m who don’t live in London. But maybe their tax doesn’t count. So let’s use your theory in hospitals and spend seven times as much in London and let the rest die.
London’s wealth was created by trade carried out by workers, farmers, by sl4ve workers and a great deal by industrialist investors. Yes London workers too. Don’t forget your history on where a lot of that wealth came and comes from. Fortunes are made trading products created elsewhere. Back packing in effect.
London also takes most of the U.K. tax used to pay for government offices, civil service offices too.. NHS, Home Office, MOD, Foreign Office, etc,etc So don’t forget that huge employment subsidy we all pay for those mostly higher ranking jobs and more expensive buildings. Oh and of course the head offices of business from around the U.K because of non existent access to government elsewhere. Take way the driver for house prices and London would look a very different place. Imagine moving government to Birmingham. Watch as those corporations trek up the M6 to their new offices.
The ridiculous bias towards London has held this country back when you compare to the likes of other countries like Germany where regional centres have flourished through serious infrastructure investment. .
If only the rest of the U.K. has it so good with subsidies over the last 30 years . Sadly there you are with all that wealth and there are thousands of streets full of nothing but poverty.. Not sharing it that fairly or wisely eh??
I don’t want London to suffer in any way. Mainly because part of my family would suffer too!! I just want every other regional centre to be able to catch up with equal investment. This country would be a lot richer.
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs .
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.!
My figures are out of date by a couple of years and should have been £3500 for London sorry typo.. I wouldn’t know if it includes everything inside the m25 either to be truthful. It was an independent review. So not politically funded. . Manchester was £700 per year in the same audit. I included Tees but the review used Tyne and wear as reference but the regional investment was the same.
The principal is still the same as all should be treated equally at least. The imbalance in regional investment was very stark. Add the cross rail and constant investment in the likes of new tube lines and extending the DLR. and compare that to Manchester still using a bus body on a train chassis on one regional route as there’s no money for new carriages. Think it was scrapped last year. Or where did the southern trains’ forty year old carriages replaced by new carriages go?? Yes to Northern rail.
The levelling up is nonsense and the fact that government policy has for years structurally favoured the south east is disgraceful.
The Manchester tram shows what a difference investment can make in the regions.
If it had received the same money as London per head the region wouldn’t have traffic jams at all and trains would be new.
If you think about it laterally the north should receive more per head as the population is less dense and there’s more distance between them so will cost more per mile per head. . Fantasy I know.. equal would be nice. We all pay the same tax don’t we?
I disagree will your logic as transportation is to move people.
So if you have a large amount of people in an area you need to spend more in that area.
Like stated before there are 31.5M journeys a DAY in London so the infrastructure, running costs and maintenance have a much high cost than with somewhere with a lower population and a far less daily journey numbers.
I would be more than happy if 3 or 4 Million people moved up North to share the burden.
You mentioned the DLR, but the concept has alway been regeneration.
There would never have been a Canary Wharf without it and the DLR has created more money by investment and business than it has cost. Housing is another benefit of the DLR because once it has had approval the private and social housing has been built.
As for new tube lines the last new one was the jubilee line which opened in 1977.
Crossrail is over budget and almost 4 years late with no set date for opening fully. You can look directly at the Labour London Mayor for this for not getting it sorted as he has been in charge for almost six years.
As for paying taxes we all pay the same percentage of our earnings. However if your earnings are higher in the south you pay more actually money into the treasury. So to have money on spent on transportation to get you to work so you can pay that money into the treasury is a good thing.
You missed the point on lateral but it’s not important. And not realistic cost wise.
So invest in DLR and jobs created . Interesting that theory isn’t used in the rest of the country. Yet there you are proving it works.
Erm I think the £18.7Billion on the Elizabeth line due to open this year is a pretty new tube line!!
So the unemployed , the poor and average tax payer who also live in London should receive £3500 too?? Doesn’t seem fair to the 66m who don’t live in London. But maybe their tax doesn’t count. So let’s use your theory in hospitals and spend seven times as much in London and let the rest die.
London’s wealth was created by trade carried out by workers, farmers, by sl4ve workers and a great deal by industrialist investors. Yes London workers too. Don’t forget your history on where a lot of that wealth came and comes from. Fortunes are made trading products created elsewhere. Back packing in effect.
London also takes most of the U.K. tax used to pay for government offices, civil service offices too.. NHS, Home Office, MOD, Foreign Office, etc,etc So don’t forget that huge employment subsidy we all pay for those mostly higher ranking jobs and more expensive buildings. Oh and of course the head offices of business from around the U.K because of non existent access to government elsewhere. Take way the driver for house prices and London would look a very different place. Imagine moving government to Birmingham. Watch as those corporations trek up the M6 to their new offices.
The ridiculous bias towards London has held this country back when you compare to the likes of other countries like Germany where regional centres have flourished through serious infrastructure investment. .
If only the rest of the U.K. has it so good with subsidies over the last 30 years . Sadly there you are with all that wealth and there are thousands of streets full of nothing but poverty.. Not sharing it that fairly or wisely eh??
I don’t want London to suffer in any way. Mainly because part of my family would suffer too!! I just want every other regional centre to be able to catch up with equal investment. This country would be a lot richer.
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over a year ago
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"Thing ive noticed the only ones who keep mentioning brexit are those who voted to remain the ones who voted to leave or didnt vote seem to pay it little attention they seem to not have given it a 2nd thought since last year,most of the threads postedon here about it are started by those who wanted to stay"
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs .
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.!
My figures are out of date by a couple of years and should have been £3500 for London sorry typo.. I wouldn’t know if it includes everything inside the m25 either to be truthful. It was an independent review. So not politically funded. . Manchester was £700 per year in the same audit. I included Tees but the review used Tyne and wear as reference but the regional investment was the same.
The principal is still the same as all should be treated equally at least. The imbalance in regional investment was very stark. Add the cross rail and constant investment in the likes of new tube lines and extending the DLR. and compare that to Manchester still using a bus body on a train chassis on one regional route as there’s no money for new carriages. Think it was scrapped last year. Or where did the southern trains’ forty year old carriages replaced by new carriages go?? Yes to Northern rail.
The levelling up is nonsense and the fact that government policy has for years structurally favoured the south east is disgraceful.
The Manchester tram shows what a difference investment can make in the regions.
If it had received the same money as London per head the region wouldn’t have traffic jams at all and trains would be new.
If you think about it laterally the north should receive more per head as the population is less dense and there’s more distance between them so will cost more per mile per head. . Fantasy I know.. equal would be nice. We all pay the same tax don’t we?
I disagree will your logic as transportation is to move people.
So if you have a large amount of people in an area you need to spend more in that area.
Like stated before there are 31.5M journeys a DAY in London so the infrastructure, running costs and maintenance have a much high cost than with somewhere with a lower population and a far less daily journey numbers.
I would be more than happy if 3 or 4 Million people moved up North to share the burden.
You mentioned the DLR, but the concept has alway been regeneration.
There would never have been a Canary Wharf without it and the DLR has created more money by investment and business than it has cost. Housing is another benefit of the DLR because once it has had approval the private and social housing has been built.
As for new tube lines the last new one was the jubilee line which opened in 1977.
Crossrail is over budget and almost 4 years late with no set date for opening fully. You can look directly at the Labour London Mayor for this for not getting it sorted as he has been in charge for almost six years.
As for paying taxes we all pay the same percentage of our earnings. However if your earnings are higher in the south you pay more actually money into the treasury. So to have money on spent on transportation to get you to work so you can pay that money into the treasury is a good thing.
You missed the point on lateral but it’s not important. And not realistic cost wise.
So invest in DLR and jobs created . Interesting that theory isn’t used in the rest of the country. Yet there you are proving it works.
Erm I think the £18.7Billion on the Elizabeth line due to open this year is a pretty new tube line!!
So the unemployed , the poor and average tax payer who also live in London should receive £3500 too?? Doesn’t seem fair to the 66m who don’t live in London. But maybe their tax doesn’t count. So let’s use your theory in hospitals and spend seven times as much in London and let the rest die.
London’s wealth was created by trade carried out by workers, farmers, by sl4ve workers and a great deal by industrialist investors. Yes London workers too. Don’t forget your history on where a lot of that wealth came and comes from. Fortunes are made trading products created elsewhere. Back packing in effect.
London also takes most of the U.K. tax used to pay for government offices, civil service offices too.. NHS, Home Office, MOD, Foreign Office, etc,etc So don’t forget that huge employment subsidy we all pay for those mostly higher ranking jobs and more expensive buildings. Oh and of course the head offices of business from around the U.K because of non existent access to government elsewhere. Take way the driver for house prices and London would look a very different place. Imagine moving government to Birmingham. Watch as those corporations trek up the M6 to their new offices.
The ridiculous bias towards London has held this country back when you compare to the likes of other countries like Germany where regional centres have flourished through serious infrastructure investment. .
If only the rest of the U.K. has it so good with subsidies over the last 30 years . Sadly there you are with all that wealth and there are thousands of streets full of nothing but poverty.. Not sharing it that fairly or wisely eh??
I don’t want London to suffer in any way. Mainly because part of my family would suffer too!! I just want every other regional centre to be able to catch up with equal investment. This country would be a lot richer.
Good job the current government is investing more in other parts of the country then isn't it!"
You didn’t mention the new tube??
It’s few billion for public effect spread out thinly across the regions which does even begin to level up. HS3 being scrapped looks good. The super fast new trans pennine service is bollocks as it will reduce capacity not increase it according the transport for northern England rail group. Smoke and mirrors. Oh and more lies.
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"I agree with most of that jackal apart from people not knowing what they voted for we voted to leave the eu and we are out but the rest yes who knew about the shit way the torys would handle it but if another vote came now it would be the same because almost everyone is just getting on with there lives and have forgotten all about brexit now
I agree the handling has and still is utter rubbish.
People voted for spurious and varied reasons including racism, borders, immigration,bent bananas, benefit cheats, taking our jobs etc etc and some bullshit about democracy but no one had a clue of the financial impact it would have as they didn’t understand how intrinsically linked we were. I didn’t understand the true economic detail and we work in 17 EU countries. I knew that having a border would cost but the admin behind business for something as visibly simple as standards is enormous.
40 years of linked process was always going to be a mess to undo and would hurt us. It’s putting us back years and the promise of great new world deals is proving to be just another lie so far.
I genuinely hope you have a secure job Foxy. Some like those steelworkers must be wondering, did they know what they voted for.
There are lots of low paid and part time jobs out there though so I’m sure they will be fine and say Brexit hasn’t affected them.
The country is hundreds of billions down and for what? Brexit voters wanted it so much and now say they haven’t been affected. You can’t have it both ways.
Makes it all bit stupid and a massive waste of money really. racism and bent bananas howay mate get a grip stop with that bullshit you sound like a certain fruitloop on here with that crap the steelworkers in Teesside had to find new jobs years ago when it closed down fuck all to do with brexit
My employees have received the racism first hand so that’s fact mate. Sorry but I’m not letting you call my comment bullshit on that. I can’t prove it in court but it needs calling out not hiding from.
One guy being called a Romanian immigrant P*** . He’s actually Swedish and one parent from Samoa but hey his skin colour mattered to them.
Bent bananas was a complaint aimed at the EU by the British press to undermine the role of the EU. It’s the slow drip of negative news to make you think it was a bad thing.
I agree it was fuck all to do with Brexit when the steel works closed. So why is it a good thing to do nothing? That’s exactly what consecutive governments did in Teesside for you. Nothing and that’s why it’s one of the most deprived areas in the U.K. .
Spending on transport infrastructure per person per year in London £4500. Teeside £300
Warms your heart doesn’t it to know they care so much.
I used to do business with Tioxide, Grace ( North Bank) , ICI and British steel up there along with quite a few others and like Newcastle I’ve seen the devastation brought by lack of support and investment. So witnessing how shit you’ve been treated means I care about the poor bastard on the receiving end of this total mess. We surely can’t let skilled well paid jobs go on the vague promise of future hi tech jobs .
Would be interested where you got your figures from regarding investment per person each year from?
Greater London has a population of 9 million so that equals a budget of £40 Billion a year on transport!
Makes me wonder what the Labour London Mayor has done with that money as he says he doesn't have any left for the past two years.
However, a paper in 2017 states in 2015 there were 31.5M journeys per DAY in London via all transport methods.
Teesside has a population of 380k so daily journeys would have to be 1.4M a day to equal the same amount of journeys. I couldn't find anything that gave the daily figure but did find that Middlesbrough Station had 1.4M passengers a YEAR.!
My figures are out of date by a couple of years and should have been £3500 for London sorry typo.. I wouldn’t know if it includes everything inside the m25 either to be truthful. It was an independent review. So not politically funded. . Manchester was £700 per year in the same audit. I included Tees but the review used Tyne and wear as reference but the regional investment was the same.
The principal is still the same as all should be treated equally at least. The imbalance in regional investment was very stark. Add the cross rail and constant investment in the likes of new tube lines and extending the DLR. and compare that to Manchester still using a bus body on a train chassis on one regional route as there’s no money for new carriages. Think it was scrapped last year. Or where did the southern trains’ forty year old carriages replaced by new carriages go?? Yes to Northern rail.
The levelling up is nonsense and the fact that government policy has for years structurally favoured the south east is disgraceful.
The Manchester tram shows what a difference investment can make in the regions.
If it had received the same money as London per head the region wouldn’t have traffic jams at all and trains would be new.
If you think about it laterally the north should receive more per head as the population is less dense and there’s more distance between them so will cost more per mile per head. . Fantasy I know.. equal would be nice. We all pay the same tax don’t we?
I disagree will your logic as transportation is to move people.
So if you have a large amount of people in an area you need to spend more in that area.
Like stated before there are 31.5M journeys a DAY in London so the infrastructure, running costs and maintenance have a much high cost than with somewhere with a lower population and a far less daily journey numbers.
I would be more than happy if 3 or 4 Million people moved up North to share the burden.
You mentioned the DLR, but the concept has alway been regeneration.
There would never have been a Canary Wharf without it and the DLR has created more money by investment and business than it has cost. Housing is another benefit of the DLR because once it has had approval the private and social housing has been built.
As for new tube lines the last new one was the jubilee line which opened in 1977.
Crossrail is over budget and almost 4 years late with no set date for opening fully. You can look directly at the Labour London Mayor for this for not getting it sorted as he has been in charge for almost six years.
As for paying taxes we all pay the same percentage of our earnings. However if your earnings are higher in the south you pay more actually money into the treasury. So to have money on spent on transportation to get you to work so you can pay that money into the treasury is a good thing.
You missed the point on lateral but it’s not important. And not realistic cost wise.
So invest in DLR and jobs created . Interesting that theory isn’t used in the rest of the country. Yet there you are proving it works.
Erm I think the £18.7Billion on the Elizabeth line due to open this year is a pretty new tube line!!
So the unemployed , the poor and average tax payer who also live in London should receive £3500 too?? Doesn’t seem fair to the 66m who don’t live in London. But maybe their tax doesn’t count. So let’s use your theory in hospitals and spend seven times as much in London and let the rest die.
London’s wealth was created by trade carried out by workers, farmers, by sl4ve workers and a great deal by industrialist investors. Yes London workers too. Don’t forget your history on where a lot of that wealth came and comes from. Fortunes are made trading products created elsewhere. Back packing in effect.
London also takes most of the U.K. tax used to pay for government offices, civil service offices too.. NHS, Home Office, MOD, Foreign Office, etc,etc So don’t forget that huge employment subsidy we all pay for those mostly higher ranking jobs and more expensive buildings. Oh and of course the head offices of business from around the U.K because of non existent access to government elsewhere. Take way the driver for house prices and London would look a very different place. Imagine moving government to Birmingham. Watch as those corporations trek up the M6 to their new offices.
The ridiculous bias towards London has held this country back when you compare to the likes of other countries like Germany where regional centres have flourished through serious infrastructure investment. .
If only the rest of the U.K. has it so good with subsidies over the last 30 years . Sadly there you are with all that wealth and there are thousands of streets full of nothing but poverty.. Not sharing it that fairly or wisely eh??
I don’t want London to suffer in any way. Mainly because part of my family would suffer too!! I just want every other regional centre to be able to catch up with equal investment. This country would be a lot richer.
Good job the current government is investing more in other parts of the country then isn't it!
You didn’t mention the new tube??
It’s few billion for public effect spread out thinly across the regions which does even begin to level up. HS3 being scrapped looks good. The super fast new trans pennine service is bollocks as it will reduce capacity not increase it according the transport for northern England rail group. Smoke and mirrors. Oh and more lies.
Have a good night . Need a wine . "
Yep your right sorry, I was chuckling too mush as I wrote my last post.
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