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By *I Two OP Couple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year."
. ,, ah you see,all you moaners and doubters out there in brexit land,I knew if we just had a little more patience and didn't demand an instant fix the long term benefits would start to appear
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By *I Two OP Couple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.. ,, ah you see,all you moaners and doubters out there in brexit land,I knew if we just had a little more patience and didn't demand an instant fix the long term benefits would start to appear"
Yes I would like to beg humble forgiveness for doubting |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year."
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting."
Human rights, sub standard food to name just two. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
Human rights, sub standard food to name just two. "
Those are possible too and the headlines focus on crown marks. If anything big like food standards being downgraded should happen then opposition parties need to highlight it especially near election time |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"How many times can we be hoodwinked by these arses though......come election time the same people will line up n vote for Boris again ..thus condemning us to more of this ineptitude "
It’s because Boris & Co framed the Brexit debate as patriotism v servitude and unfortunately shallow minded flag shaggers cannot see further than that message.
To be honest, you see in all areas of social media when all argument is lost, the debate just collapses into being patriotic and loving your country v being a woke, leftist, soft-arse who needs the EU to hold their hand.
Odd really when the height of patriotism is to want the best for your country and to not want see all aspects of it fail through myopic ideology. |
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By *I Two OP Couple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting."
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though. |
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"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year."
Lolz.
What were his other key successes? |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though."
From what I read these were like a copy and paste type of thing and now working through them . As many are a compromise between 28 countries and not always ideal they may be tweaked / replaced to make them more relevant to UK only. I assume they will have to go through parliament so hopefully anything controversial will be highlighted. Just to be clear the parliament thing is an assumption on my part, maybe others know the process these things take. |
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"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though.
From what I read these were like a copy and paste type of thing and now working through them . As many are a compromise between 28 countries and not always ideal they may be tweaked / replaced to make them more relevant to UK only. I assume they will have to go through parliament so hopefully anything controversial will be highlighted. Just to be clear the parliament thing is an assumption on my part, maybe others know the process these things take."
You are correct, food standards and employment rights would need to go before Parliament before any change in current uk law could be changed. There are also tie ins with EU in the brexit agreement that neither side will diverge significantly away from current standards, if either side did and distorted the market place then trade focused sanctions could be imposed. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me"
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter. "
The government stated that New Zealand and Australia's food standards are good so we are safe to eat their Produce. They use words such as endeavour and work towards when questions on hormone meat are raised. When asked about the checks and details Reece Mogg would only answer that Australia has high standards . He would not be drawn on the fact that Australia ( by the same set up NZ) will be enforcing any checks not the U.K.
How will we possibly know what is and is not treated .
Our food standards enforcement will be relying on another country in effect.
So I asked is this taking back control.
It may not be allowed but we won’t know will we!!
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"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter.
The government stated that New Zealand and Australia's food standards are good so we are safe to eat their Produce. They use words such as endeavour and work towards when questions on hormone meat are raised. When asked about the checks and details Reece Mogg would only answer that Australia has high standards . He would not be drawn on the fact that Australia ( by the same set up NZ) will be enforcing any checks not the U.K.
How will we possibly know what is and is not treated .
Our food standards enforcement will be relying on another country in effect.
So I asked is this taking back control.
It may not be allowed but we won’t know will we!!
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no we won’t know but doesn’t stop another moan about brexit tho lol |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter.
The government stated that New Zealand and Australia's food standards are good so we are safe to eat their Produce. They use words such as endeavour and work towards when questions on hormone meat are raised. When asked about the checks and details Reece Mogg would only answer that Australia has high standards . He would not be drawn on the fact that Australia ( by the same set up NZ) will be enforcing any checks not the U.K.
How will we possibly know what is and is not treated .
Our food standards enforcement will be relying on another country in effect.
So I asked is this taking back control.
It may not be allowed but we won’t know will we!!
no we won’t know but doesn’t stop another moan about brexit tho lol"
This is beyond Brexit
This is just poor government |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
I personally think that British farmers have much better standards than the EU level apart from I don’t like barn hens and live exports. I believe those exports are now banned .
I won’t eat Danish bacon after seeing the barbaric indoor farms they use.
We should support our farmers not undermine them with cheap dangerous imports. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter.
The government stated that New Zealand and Australia's food standards are good so we are safe to eat their Produce. They use words such as endeavour and work towards when questions on hormone meat are raised. When asked about the checks and details Reece Mogg would only answer that Australia has high standards . He would not be drawn on the fact that Australia ( by the same set up NZ) will be enforcing any checks not the U.K.
How will we possibly know what is and is not treated .
Our food standards enforcement will be relying on another country in effect.
So I asked is this taking back control.
It may not be allowed but we won’t know will we!!
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you are working on the premise that that eu food safety standards are the best and ones to look up to.Do you actually think that the eu actually care more about the health of their citizens than other countries in the world? personally i think most of these rules and regulations are there to protect their market not the health of the people.
There has been no proof to say hormone treated beef is any worse for you than untreated thats why countries still do it not because they care less about their people.Its the same with chlorine it seems its ok in the eu to wash vegetables in it but not chicken it was banned for political reasons not health.
Saying that im all for high standards but they should be based solely on health not protectionist reasons and the eu is not the world leading standard to judge everything on they dont seem to worry about producing foie gras for example and that is barbaric. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter.
The government stated that New Zealand and Australia's food standards are good so we are safe to eat their Produce. They use words such as endeavour and work towards when questions on hormone meat are raised. When asked about the checks and details Reece Mogg would only answer that Australia has high standards . He would not be drawn on the fact that Australia ( by the same set up NZ) will be enforcing any checks not the U.K.
How will we possibly know what is and is not treated .
Our food standards enforcement will be relying on another country in effect.
So I asked is this taking back control.
It may not be allowed but we won’t know will we!!
you are working on the premise that that eu food safety standards are the best and ones to look up to.Do you actually think that the eu actually care more about the health of their citizens than other countries in the world? personally i think most of these rules and regulations are there to protect their market not the health of the people.
There has been no proof to say hormone treated beef is any worse for you than untreated thats why countries still do it not because they care less about their people.Its the same with chlorine it seems its ok in the eu to wash vegetables in it but not chicken it was banned for political reasons not health.
Saying that im all for high standards but they should be based solely on health not protectionist reasons and the eu is not the world leading standard to judge everything on they dont seem to worry about producing foie gras for example and that is barbaric. "
I refer you to my latest post  |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though.
From what I read these were like a copy and paste type of thing and now working through them . As many are a compromise between 28 countries and not always ideal they may be tweaked / replaced to make them more relevant to UK only. I assume they will have to go through parliament so hopefully anything controversial will be highlighted. Just to be clear the parliament thing is an assumption on my part, maybe others know the process these things take.
You are correct, food standards and employment rights would need to go before Parliament before any change in current uk law could be changed. There are also tie ins with EU in the brexit agreement that neither side will diverge significantly away from current standards, if either side did and distorted the market place then trade focused sanctions could be imposed."
Thank you. So it must be voted on in the same way as usual gives me a bit of confidence though guess it depends what else is happening at the same time. I always thought Australian and new Zealand had very good standards, maybe better than many other places. I agree the hormone use needs to be clarified. Anything you buy should be labelled with ingredients or in this case has hormones been used. Also country of origin should be clearly shown. If your not wanting to have such products then buy British which again should be clearly marked. |
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"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter.
The government stated that New Zealand and Australia's food standards are good so we are safe to eat their Produce. They use words such as endeavour and work towards when questions on hormone meat are raised. When asked about the checks and details Reece Mogg would only answer that Australia has high standards . He would not be drawn on the fact that Australia ( by the same set up NZ) will be enforcing any checks not the U.K.
How will we possibly know what is and is not treated .
Our food standards enforcement will be relying on another country in effect.
So I asked is this taking back control.
It may not be allowed but we won’t know will we!!
you are working on the premise that that eu food safety standards are the best and ones to look up to.Do you actually think that the eu actually care more about the health of their citizens than other countries in the world? personally i think most of these rules and regulations are there to protect their market not the health of the people.
There has been no proof to say hormone treated beef is any worse for you than untreated thats why countries still do it not because they care less about their people.Its the same with chlorine it seems its ok in the eu to wash vegetables in it but not chicken it was banned for political reasons not health.
Saying that im all for high standards but they should be based solely on health not protectionist reasons and the eu is not the world leading standard to judge everything on they dont seem to worry about producing foie gras for example and that is barbaric. "
aint it just if it was something we did in the U.K. they be all jumping up and down on here lol |
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By *I Two OP Couple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter. "
I wonder what else the UK government has said repeatedly that will NOT happen lol |
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"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though.
From what I read these were like a copy and paste type of thing and now working through them . As many are a compromise between 28 countries and not always ideal they may be tweaked / replaced to make them more relevant to UK only. I assume they will have to go through parliament so hopefully anything controversial will be highlighted. Just to be clear the parliament thing is an assumption on my part, maybe others know the process these things take.
You are correct, food standards and employment rights would need to go before Parliament before any change in current uk law could be changed. There are also tie ins with EU in the brexit agreement that neither side will diverge significantly away from current standards, if either side did and distorted the market place then trade focused sanctions could be imposed.
Thank you. So it must be voted on in the same way as usual gives me a bit of confidence though guess it depends what else is happening at the same time. I always thought Australian and new Zealand had very good standards, maybe better than many other places. I agree the hormone use needs to be clarified. Anything you buy should be labelled with ingredients or in this case has hormones been used. Also country of origin should be clearly shown. If your not wanting to have such products then buy British which again should be clearly marked. "
….” if you don’t want to buy hormone injected meat don’t buy it buy british…..”
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
The fact is when questioned over who will do the checking on meat being shipped to the U.K. Reece Mogg couldn’t deny it was AUS & NZ . So we won’t control the standard of the food we import. We will advise only. He said they had high standards.. maybe they do compared to Ethiopia. They Aussies use American stockyard systems for beef where the animal never sees grass.
Australia uses a lot of hormone food and New Zealand run huge industrial scale sheep farms where standards of treatment are better than AUS but where hormone treatment is increasing.
In regards to an earlier comment on using chlorine on chicken. In the EU it is used on a final wash for processed salads to remove any pests etc.. in the US it is “NEEDED” because the chickens are not cleaned out regularly as they are in the EU/U.K. and so the animals become covered in their own faeces. The chlorine cleans the chicken carcass.
It’s not the chlorine itself which is the major issue. it’s the animal being Brest deep in shit all their short lives..
In the US you have to prove as a consumer something isn’t safe. The corporations don’t have to prove it’s safe to eat..
There are standards but they are lower than ours and varied across the country.
A senior lecturer at a major university is the US advised me , if you’re living here in the US then eat organic and free range . If you’re just visiting on holiday you will be ok. It’s eating bad food constantly that will make you ill . US food poisoning incidents are scarily many times higher than the U.K. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though.
From what I read these were like a copy and paste type of thing and now working through them . As many are a compromise between 28 countries and not always ideal they may be tweaked / replaced to make them more relevant to UK only. I assume they will have to go through parliament so hopefully anything controversial will be highlighted. Just to be clear the parliament thing is an assumption on my part, maybe others know the process these things take.
You are correct, food standards and employment rights would need to go before Parliament before any change in current uk law could be changed. There are also tie ins with EU in the brexit agreement that neither side will diverge significantly away from current standards, if either side did and distorted the market place then trade focused sanctions could be imposed.
Thank you. So it must be voted on in the same way as usual gives me a bit of confidence though guess it depends what else is happening at the same time. I always thought Australian and new Zealand had very good standards, maybe better than many other places. I agree the hormone use needs to be clarified. Anything you buy should be labelled with ingredients or in this case has hormones been used. Also country of origin should be clearly shown. If your not wanting to have such products then buy British which again should be clearly marked.
….” if you don’t want to buy hormone injected meat don’t buy it buy british…..”
sighs…….
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No rules on country of origin on packaging is a pre requisite demanded by US negotiators for US meat. If it’s so good why aren’t they shouting about it??
Meat from AUS / NZ used in say a pie does not have to show country of origin on U.K. packaging .
I can’t believe people think it’s ok to lower food standards that have been fought for in this country over years. This isn’t a for or against Brexit it’s just mad to say it’s ok why worry??
We should all be complaining .. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though.
From what I read these were like a copy and paste type of thing and now working through them . As many are a compromise between 28 countries and not always ideal they may be tweaked / replaced to make them more relevant to UK only. I assume they will have to go through parliament so hopefully anything controversial will be highlighted. Just to be clear the parliament thing is an assumption on my part, maybe others know the process these things take.
You are correct, food standards and employment rights would need to go before Parliament before any change in current uk law could be changed. There are also tie ins with EU in the brexit agreement that neither side will diverge significantly away from current standards, if either side did and distorted the market place then trade focused sanctions could be imposed.
Thank you. So it must be voted on in the same way as usual gives me a bit of confidence though guess it depends what else is happening at the same time. I always thought Australian and new Zealand had very good standards, maybe better than many other places. I agree the hormone use needs to be clarified. Anything you buy should be labelled with ingredients or in this case has hormones been used. Also country of origin should be clearly shown. If your not wanting to have such products then buy British which again should be clearly marked.
….” if you don’t want to buy hormone injected meat don’t buy it buy british…..”
sighs…….
No rules on country of origin on packaging is a pre requisite demanded by US negotiators for US meat. If it’s so good why aren’t they shouting about it??
Meat from AUS / NZ used in say a pie does not have to show country of origin on U.K. packaging .
I can’t believe people think it’s ok to lower food standards that have been fought for in this country over years. This isn’t a for or against Brexit it’s just mad to say it’s ok why worry??
We should all be complaining .. "
dont need everyone complaining there are enough on here alone complaining for everyone,if i can eat on the street in places like vietnam and thailand im sure i will be fine with beef from aus lambfrom nz and chicken from the states,then again if i dont fancy that i guess i can pop along to my local farm shop for some local produce |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though.
From what I read these were like a copy and paste type of thing and now working through them . As many are a compromise between 28 countries and not always ideal they may be tweaked / replaced to make them more relevant to UK only. I assume they will have to go through parliament so hopefully anything controversial will be highlighted. Just to be clear the parliament thing is an assumption on my part, maybe others know the process these things take.
You are correct, food standards and employment rights would need to go before Parliament before any change in current uk law could be changed. There are also tie ins with EU in the brexit agreement that neither side will diverge significantly away from current standards, if either side did and distorted the market place then trade focused sanctions could be imposed.
Thank you. So it must be voted on in the same way as usual gives me a bit of confidence though guess it depends what else is happening at the same time. I always thought Australian and new Zealand had very good standards, maybe better than many other places. I agree the hormone use needs to be clarified. Anything you buy should be labelled with ingredients or in this case has hormones been used. Also country of origin should be clearly shown. If your not wanting to have such products then buy British which again should be clearly marked.
….” if you don’t want to buy hormone injected meat don’t buy it buy british…..”
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No rules on country of origin on packaging is a pre requisite demanded by US negotiators for US meat. If it’s so good why aren’t they shouting about it??
Meat from AUS / NZ used in say a pie does not have to show country of origin on U.K. packaging .
I can’t believe people think it’s ok to lower food standards that have been fought for in this country over years. This isn’t a for or against Brexit it’s just mad to say it’s ok why worry??
We should all be complaining .. dont need everyone complaining there are enough on here alone complaining for everyone,if i can eat on the street in places like vietnam and thailand im sure i will be fine with beef from aus lambfrom nz and chicken from the states,then again if i dont fancy that i guess i can pop along to my local farm shop for some local produce"
Its just another thing to moan about, im surprised that these countries have any people in them and they haven't all died of food poisoning.  |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Boris Johnson has named returning the crown stamps to pint glasses and scrapping a ban on selling goods in pounds and ounces on his list of the “key successes” of Brexit this year.
Also thousands of EU directives are being looked at and changed or repealed if not in the country's interest. The one you mention are good for grabbing the headlines as demonstrated. It's the ones that are changed without headlines that could be more interesting.
And given the popularity ratings of the government I'm pretty sure they would let us know quickly when they find a benefit. Haven't heard any though.
From what I read these were like a copy and paste type of thing and now working through them . As many are a compromise between 28 countries and not always ideal they may be tweaked / replaced to make them more relevant to UK only. I assume they will have to go through parliament so hopefully anything controversial will be highlighted. Just to be clear the parliament thing is an assumption on my part, maybe others know the process these things take.
You are correct, food standards and employment rights would need to go before Parliament before any change in current uk law could be changed. There are also tie ins with EU in the brexit agreement that neither side will diverge significantly away from current standards, if either side did and distorted the market place then trade focused sanctions could be imposed.
Thank you. So it must be voted on in the same way as usual gives me a bit of confidence though guess it depends what else is happening at the same time. I always thought Australian and new Zealand had very good standards, maybe better than many other places. I agree the hormone use needs to be clarified. Anything you buy should be labelled with ingredients or in this case has hormones been used. Also country of origin should be clearly shown. If your not wanting to have such products then buy British which again should be clearly marked.
….” if you don’t want to buy hormone injected meat don’t buy it buy british…..”
sighs…….
No rules on country of origin on packaging is a pre requisite demanded by US negotiators for US meat. If it’s so good why aren’t they shouting about it??
Meat from AUS / NZ used in say a pie does not have to show country of origin on U.K. packaging .
I can’t believe people think it’s ok to lower food standards that have been fought for in this country over years. This isn’t a for or against Brexit it’s just mad to say it’s ok why worry??
We should all be complaining .. dont need everyone complaining there are enough on here alone complaining for everyone,if i can eat on the street in places like vietnam and thailand im sure i will be fine with beef from aus lambfrom nz and chicken from the states,then again if i dont fancy that i guess i can pop along to my local farm shop for some local produceIts just another thing to moan about, im surprised that these countries have any people in them and they haven't all died of food poisoning. "
Funny you should say that. In the US annually 48milliin are sick. 128.000 hospitalised and around 3000 die.
https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/index.html
U.K. deaths 260-170 .. so US over 15 times worse than U.K. even though population is 5 times the size.
Is that enough sickness and death for you??
US food is very poor compared to U.K. food .
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol |
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so in light of the trade deals depending on the removal of country of origin labelling, does anyone have any stategies which they intend to deploy to mitigate their inadvertant eating of growth hormones, antibiotics and other general chemical comtaminants etc in their food? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol "
Caa an you tell me If it’s not labelled how do you chose?
More importantly it will be cheaper and given the state of peoples finances are about to be squeezed that may not have a choice. Supporting farmers to produce good quality food is a government looking after the health of their citizens.
The safety of a nations population is supposedly the government’s number one aim. Blatantly not the case in the U.K. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
Caa an you tell me If it’s not labelled how do you chose?
More importantly it will be cheaper and given the state of peoples finances are about to be squeezed that may not have a choice. Supporting farmers to produce good quality food is a government looking after the health of their citizens.
The safety of a nations population is supposedly the government’s number one aim. Blatantly not the case in the U.K. "
I seem to recall hearing reports that the americans may of wanted not to have thier produce with country of origin though never heard it as a fact. This topic is about Oz and NZ - have you evidence that they will not be putting origin on labels?. Have you evidence that the UK suppliers and other suppliers around the world will be forced to remove origin from labels? |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
Caa an you tell me If it’s not labelled how do you chose?
More importantly it will be cheaper and given the state of peoples finances are about to be squeezed that may not have a choice. Supporting farmers to produce good quality food is a government looking after the health of their citizens.
The safety of a nations population is supposedly the government’s number one aim. Blatantly not the case in the U.K.
I seem to recall hearing reports that the americans may of wanted not to have thier produce with country of origin though never heard it as a fact. This topic is about Oz and NZ - have you evidence that they will not be putting origin on labels?. Have you evidence that the UK suppliers and other suppliers around the world will be forced to remove origin from labels? "
They don’t have any evidence because it’s not true it’s just more scare tactics
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
Caa an you tell me If it’s not labelled how do you chose?
More importantly it will be cheaper and given the state of peoples finances are about to be squeezed that may not have a choice. Supporting farmers to produce good quality food is a government looking after the health of their citizens.
The safety of a nations population is supposedly the government’s number one aim. Blatantly not the case in the U.K.
I seem to recall hearing reports that the americans may of wanted not to have thier produce with country of origin though never heard it as a fact. This topic is about Oz and NZ - have you evidence that they will not be putting origin on labels?. Have you evidence that the UK suppliers and other suppliers around the world will be forced to remove origin from labels? "
I can’t give you a link to the article as it was in the grocer at the initial opening statements during Covid but it was very clear that one of the initial communications from the US team was label of origin to not be required.
They won’t be forced to be removed they just won’t be added if the US have their way. We have banned their meats as part of the EU rules involved and we are now in the case of Australia and New Zealand letting them set the standard of our imports and so it would be unrealistic to allow that and not allow the US to do the same.
On the plus side the deals are worth billions to these countries as they will sell more to us than we sell to them so at least other foreign producers will be getting richer. Fuck U.K. farmers who have provided better more expensive standards eh!
Some on here moan about the EU protective practices. They forget we were helped by that protection against substandard cheaper imports. The latest negotiations are removing those protections. Why is that a good thing and our negotiators claiming great deals? Where is our own governments protection?
This is not about Brexit it’s about us dumbing down and people looking the other way. As I said earlier poor government.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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Can’t find the original article but this quote from which sheds enough light.
Using labels to inform consumers about production methods or the origin of ingredients – rather than simply banning products that don’t meet current UK standards – would require a huge expansion of labelling. In contrast, the US wants labelling to be reduced.
THIS BIT BELOW GIVES YOU THEIR STANCE- For new technologies read hormones and chemical treatments. I’ll see if I can find the specific document.
“”””US government negotiating objectives, published last year, called for ‘new and enforceable rules to eliminate unjustified trade restrictions or unjustified commercial requirements (including unjustified labeling) that affect new technologies.’ “”””
In other trade deals with Canada and Mexico the US has pushed for a reduction in labelling. A coalition of academics and non-governmental organisations has written to supermarkets calling for them not to sell lower-quality US food products. The letter notes: ‘in our view country of origin labelling would not address our above concerns as it would not be sufficient to prevent the undermining of UK farmers or the lowering of UK standards.’
Which further state that, the U.K. government should be imposing rules and that a large majority of people here expect them to.
Feel free to say Which are talking bollocks!
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
Caa an you tell me If it’s not labelled how do you chose?
More importantly it will be cheaper and given the state of peoples finances are about to be squeezed that may not have a choice. Supporting farmers to produce good quality food is a government looking after the health of their citizens.
The safety of a nations population is supposedly the government’s number one aim. Blatantly not the case in the U.K.
I seem to recall hearing reports that the americans may of wanted not to have thier produce with country of origin though never heard it as a fact. This topic is about Oz and NZ - have you evidence that they will not be putting origin on labels?. Have you evidence that the UK suppliers and other suppliers around the world will be forced to remove origin from labels?
I can’t give you a link to the article as it was in the grocer at the initial opening statements during Covid but it was very clear that one of the initial communications from the US team was label of origin to not be required.
They won’t be forced to be removed they just won’t be added if the US have their way. We have banned their meats as part of the EU rules involved and we are now in the case of Australia and New Zealand letting them set the standard of our imports and so it would be unrealistic to allow that and not allow the US to do the same.
On the plus side the deals are worth billions to these countries as they will sell more to us than we sell to them so at least other foreign producers will be getting richer. Fuck U.K. farmers who have provided better more expensive standards eh!
Some on here moan about the EU protective practices. They forget we were helped by that protection against substandard cheaper imports. The latest negotiations are removing those protections. Why is that a good thing and our negotiators claiming great deals? Where is our own governments protection?
This is not about Brexit it’s about us dumbing down and people looking the other way. As I said earlier poor government.
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sorry I think your still refering to the US and not so much OZ and NZ. As I say I recall the US position but that never went ahead and does not look likely too any time soon. Do you have evidence OZ and NZ will refuse to put country of origin on products. Do you have evidence that UK farmers and farmers from other countries supplying the UK will have to change thier labels. When I say evidence I dont mean opinions but decisions by goverments that can be checked, if that makes sense. When you say OZ and NZ are setting the standards of the products do you mean the UK has no say what so ever and they can send anything they like. Or is it rules worked out by the 3 countries together but maybe any physical checks are done other there? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
sorry I think your still refering to the US and not so much OZ and NZ. As I say I recall the US position but that never went ahead and does not look likely too any time soon. Do you have evidence OZ and NZ will refuse to put country of origin on products. Do you have evidence that UK farmers and farmers from other countries supplying the UK will have to change thier labels. When I say evidence I dont mean opinions but decisions by goverments that can be checked, if that makes sense. When you say OZ and NZ are setting the standards of the products do you mean the UK has no say what so ever and they can send anything they like. Or is it rules worked out by the 3 countries together but maybe any physical checks are done other there?"
The thread is wandered and became about more than OZ and NZ so feel free to complain to the moderators.
No I can’t show you the contracts if that’s what your asking as they are not being published in full yet . Along with the fact I’m not in the cabinet but on a swinger site so a ridiculous question.
The NFU have said they are not happy with what they have been told by our government. Yes I deal with the NFU is that ok??
Reece Mogg was asked if we would have to accept Australian standards to import their meat. He stated Australia has high standards but offered no evidence . He was repeatedly asked if they will meet our current standards which are higher or we will have to accept their standards which are lower . He again said Australia has high standards.
It appears from the reluctance to define any clear rules that we are indeed accepting what they are sending us not us deciding and that the food will be vetted by Australia not the U.K.
If you read the original draft Australia promises to endeavour to avoid non essential hormone treatment. This is not the exact words but vaguely similar. Haven’t got a copy to hand.
So it’s endeavour , aim , work towards , we will try we promise type agreements . It’s political speak for sod off and take it or leave it.
It appears we are bending over and taking it.
So no it’s not been a three way agreement it’s just AUS and NZ keeping their rules and by default us lowering ours . I again refer to the Which organisations view on this threat.
I would be very happy to be wrong. Judging by the polls Boris has to do something positive sooner rather than later . .
In an interesting footnote twist to all this the US food groups have been protesting for years on the removal of country of origin labels COOL which was described as discrimination by the House of Representatives in the US. The meat producers fought for labelling as the US imports very sub-standard meat from very poor standard countries. They are now using that approach to try and export . Interesting and scary times.. So follow that to its ultimate conclusion and we will have no idea where our meat comes from, even if it’s shipped from the US. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
sorry I think your still refering to the US and not so much OZ and NZ. As I say I recall the US position but that never went ahead and does not look likely too any time soon. Do you have evidence OZ and NZ will refuse to put country of origin on products. Do you have evidence that UK farmers and farmers from other countries supplying the UK will have to change thier labels. When I say evidence I dont mean opinions but decisions by goverments that can be checked, if that makes sense. When you say OZ and NZ are setting the standards of the products do you mean the UK has no say what so ever and they can send anything they like. Or is it rules worked out by the 3 countries together but maybe any physical checks are done other there?
The thread is wandered and became about more than OZ and NZ so feel free to complain to the moderators.
No I can’t show you the contracts if that’s what your asking as they are not being published in full yet . Along with the fact I’m not in the cabinet but on a swinger site so a ridiculous question.
The NFU have said they are not happy with what they have been told by our government. Yes I deal with the NFU is that ok??
Reece Mogg was asked if we would have to accept Australian standards to import their meat. He stated Australia has high standards but offered no evidence . He was repeatedly asked if they will meet our current standards which are higher or we will have to accept their standards which are lower . He again said Australia has high standards.
It appears from the reluctance to define any clear rules that we are indeed accepting what they are sending us not us deciding and that the food will be vetted by Australia not the U.K.
If you read the original draft Australia promises to endeavour to avoid non essential hormone treatment. This is not the exact words but vaguely similar. Haven’t got a copy to hand.
So it’s endeavour , aim , work towards , we will try we promise type agreements . It’s political speak for sod off and take it or leave it.
It appears we are bending over and taking it.
So no it’s not been a three way agreement it’s just AUS and NZ keeping their rules and by default us lowering ours . I again refer to the Which organisations view on this threat.
I would be very happy to be wrong. Judging by the polls Boris has to do something positive sooner rather than later . .
In an interesting footnote twist to all this the US food groups have been protesting for years on the removal of country of origin labels COOL which was described as discrimination by the House of Representatives in the US. The meat producers fought for labelling as the US imports very sub-standard meat from very poor standard countries. They are now using that approach to try and export . Interesting and scary times.. So follow that to its ultimate conclusion and we will have no idea where our meat comes from, even if it’s shipped from the US. "
Oh dear I appear to have annoyed you. This was certainly not my intention so if I have I apologize. We seem to be talking at cross purposes. My post was mainly about labelling on both the food from OZ/ NZ and current producers where as you are talking about America. I share your suspicions about how certain questions were not clearly answered in HOC. This is what led me to ask about the labels specifically from OZ/NG and current producers. As things stand I cannot see anything that means labels about origin will be removed or not applied. I think (I emphasise just think) current labels having origin of produce is law so any changes would require a law change. If this should happen then we will have our answer one way and if not will have our answer the other way. Allow me to repeat I hope I did not cause any offense |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
sorry I think your still refering to the US and not so much OZ and NZ. As I say I recall the US position but that never went ahead and does not look likely too any time soon. Do you have evidence OZ and NZ will refuse to put country of origin on products. Do you have evidence that UK farmers and farmers from other countries supplying the UK will have to change thier labels. When I say evidence I dont mean opinions but decisions by goverments that can be checked, if that makes sense. When you say OZ and NZ are setting the standards of the products do you mean the UK has no say what so ever and they can send anything they like. Or is it rules worked out by the 3 countries together but maybe any physical checks are done other there?
The thread is wandered and became about more than OZ and NZ so feel free to complain to the moderators.
No I can’t show you the contracts if that’s what your asking as they are not being published in full yet . Along with the fact I’m not in the cabinet but on a swinger site so a ridiculous question.
The NFU have said they are not happy with what they have been told by our government. Yes I deal with the NFU is that ok??
Reece Mogg was asked if we would have to accept Australian standards to import their meat. He stated Australia has high standards but offered no evidence . He was repeatedly asked if they will meet our current standards which are higher or we will have to accept their standards which are lower . He again said Australia has high standards.
It appears from the reluctance to define any clear rules that we are indeed accepting what they are sending us not us deciding and that the food will be vetted by Australia not the U.K.
If you read the original draft Australia promises to endeavour to avoid non essential hormone treatment. This is not the exact words but vaguely similar. Haven’t got a copy to hand.
So it’s endeavour , aim , work towards , we will try we promise type agreements . It’s political speak for sod off and take it or leave it.
It appears we are bending over and taking it.
So no it’s not been a three way agreement it’s just AUS and NZ keeping their rules and by default us lowering ours . I again refer to the Which organisations view on this threat.
I would be very happy to be wrong. Judging by the polls Boris has to do something positive sooner rather than later . .
In an interesting footnote twist to all this the US food groups have been protesting for years on the removal of country of origin labels COOL which was described as discrimination by the House of Representatives in the US. The meat producers fought for labelling as the US imports very sub-standard meat from very poor standard countries. They are now using that approach to try and export . Interesting and scary times.. So follow that to its ultimate conclusion and we will have no idea where our meat comes from, even if it’s shipped from the US.
Oh dear I appear to have annoyed you. This was certainly not my intention so if I have I apologize. We seem to be talking at cross purposes. My post was mainly about labelling on both the food from OZ/ NZ and current producers where as you are talking about America. I share your suspicions about how certain questions were not clearly answered in HOC. This is what led me to ask about the labels specifically from OZ/NG and current producers. As things stand I cannot see anything that means labels about origin will be removed or not applied. I think (I emphasise just think) current labels having origin of produce is law so any changes would require a law change. If this should happen then we will have our answer one way and if not will have our answer the other way. Allow me to repeat I hope I did not cause any offense"
I’ve just re read my post and it is a bit to aggressive so equally please accept my apologies. It wasn’t my intent.
The OP was originally pint glasses and keeping pounds and ounces both of which are backward thinking and distractive nonsense. 
So we are both off at a,tangent.
Regarding labels the US want then removing for U.K. imports as they know their standards are horrific in parts. The NZ and AUS as far as I know won’t need to remove labelling because our government are rolling over to allow hormone treated meat into the U.K.
AUS uses the US methods of stock farming and hormones widely. New Zealand are being accused of allowing the increasing use of hormones to compete in the Asian market.
In all cases you will not see any sources on processed foods and so cheap unchecked meat will be in your ready meals without your knowledge.
In my opinion we are dumbing down and rolling over just for a headline we’ve got a deal without the EU. Never mind the negative impact financially to our balance of payments or the dramatically lower food standards. We’ve got a deal aren’t we good..
We are being conned and people seem to think it’s ok. I’ll repeat , Reece Mogg said AUS food standards are high . He strangely couldn’t explain why they are high or provide evidence on those claims.
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By *ebbie69Couple
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
sorry I think your still refering to the US and not so much OZ and NZ. As I say I recall the US position but that never went ahead and does not look likely too any time soon. Do you have evidence OZ and NZ will refuse to put country of origin on products. Do you have evidence that UK farmers and farmers from other countries supplying the UK will have to change thier labels. When I say evidence I dont mean opinions but decisions by goverments that can be checked, if that makes sense. When you say OZ and NZ are setting the standards of the products do you mean the UK has no say what so ever and they can send anything they like. Or is it rules worked out by the 3 countries together but maybe any physical checks are done other there?
The thread is wandered and became about more than OZ and NZ so feel free to complain to the moderators.
No I can’t show you the contracts if that’s what your asking as they are not being published in full yet . Along with the fact I’m not in the cabinet but on a swinger site so a ridiculous question.
The NFU have said they are not happy with what they have been told by our government. Yes I deal with the NFU is that ok??
Reece Mogg was asked if we would have to accept Australian standards to import their meat. He stated Australia has high standards but offered no evidence . He was repeatedly asked if they will meet our current standards which are higher or we will have to accept their standards which are lower . He again said Australia has high standards.
It appears from the reluctance to define any clear rules that we are indeed accepting what they are sending us not us deciding and that the food will be vetted by Australia not the U.K.
If you read the original draft Australia promises to endeavour to avoid non essential hormone treatment. This is not the exact words but vaguely similar. Haven’t got a copy to hand.
So it’s endeavour , aim , work towards , we will try we promise type agreements . It’s political speak for sod off and take it or leave it.
It appears we are bending over and taking it.
So no it’s not been a three way agreement it’s just AUS and NZ keeping their rules and by default us lowering ours . I again refer to the Which organisations view on this threat.
I would be very happy to be wrong. Judging by the polls Boris has to do something positive sooner rather than later . .
In an interesting footnote twist to all this the US food groups have been protesting for years on the removal of country of origin labels COOL which was described as discrimination by the House of Representatives in the US. The meat producers fought for labelling as the US imports very sub-standard meat from very poor standard countries. They are now using that approach to try and export . Interesting and scary times.. So follow that to its ultimate conclusion and we will have no idea where our meat comes from, even if it’s shipped from the US.
Oh dear I appear to have annoyed you. This was certainly not my intention so if I have I apologize. We seem to be talking at cross purposes. My post was mainly about labelling on both the food from OZ/ NZ and current producers where as you are talking about America. I share your suspicions about how certain questions were not clearly answered in HOC. This is what led me to ask about the labels specifically from OZ/NG and current producers. As things stand I cannot see anything that means labels about origin will be removed or not applied. I think (I emphasise just think) current labels having origin of produce is law so any changes would require a law change. If this should happen then we will have our answer one way and if not will have our answer the other way. Allow me to repeat I hope I did not cause any offense
I’ve just re read my post and it is a bit to aggressive so equally please accept my apologies. It wasn’t my intent.
The OP was originally pint glasses and keeping pounds and ounces both of which are backward thinking and distractive nonsense.
So we are both off at a,tangent.
Regarding labels the US want then removing for U.K. imports as they know their standards are horrific in parts. The NZ and AUS as far as I know won’t need to remove labelling because our government are rolling over to allow hormone treated meat into the U.K.
AUS uses the US methods of stock farming and hormones widely. New Zealand are being accused of allowing the increasing use of hormones to compete in the Asian market.
In all cases you will not see any sources on processed foods and so cheap unchecked meat will be in your ready meals without your knowledge.
In my opinion we are dumbing down and rolling over just for a headline we’ve got a deal without the EU. Never mind the negative impact financially to our balance of payments or the dramatically lower food standards. We’ve got a deal aren’t we good..
We are being conned and people seem to think it’s ok. I’ll repeat , Reece Mogg said AUS food standards are high . He strangely couldn’t explain why they are high or provide evidence on those claims.
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Thank you. Wow it did start about glasses lol.
It was when someone mentioned how Reece Mogg avoided the question that got me thinking about labels. So we know the U.S., OZ and NZ use growth hormones in their farming. The U.S. , as you say we're not keen on putting the origin on their labels. However if you will forgive me that is for the future as no trade deal is likely soon. For OZ and NZ they will put origin on their labels. Neither the U.S., OZ or NZ can stop all other suppliers putting origin on their labels which in effect negates the U.S. attempt to hide facts. I just looked at the food standards that another poster kindly mentioned. If I am reading it right then even pre pack food needs to have origin on them. I just checked some packs of ham I have and they all have origin on them (100% British). Now nothing is impossible to change in law so that's what I will also be looking out for as its currently law not to use or import hormone meat and also currently origin needs to be displayed. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
sorry I think your still refering to the US and not so much OZ and NZ. As I say I recall the US position but that never went ahead and does not look likely too any time soon. Do you have evidence OZ and NZ will refuse to put country of origin on products. Do you have evidence that UK farmers and farmers from other countries supplying the UK will have to change thier labels. When I say evidence I dont mean opinions but decisions by goverments that can be checked, if that makes sense. When you say OZ and NZ are setting the standards of the products do you mean the UK has no say what so ever and they can send anything they like. Or is it rules worked out by the 3 countries together but maybe any physical checks are done other there?
The thread is wandered and became about more than OZ and NZ so feel free to complain to the moderators.
No I can’t show you the contracts if that’s what your asking as they are not being published in full yet . Along with the fact I’m not in the cabinet but on a swinger site so a ridiculous question.
The NFU have said they are not happy with what they have been told by our government. Yes I deal with the NFU is that ok??
Reece Mogg was asked if we would have to accept Australian standards to import their meat. He stated Australia has high standards but offered no evidence . He was repeatedly asked if they will meet our current standards which are higher or we will have to accept their standards which are lower . He again said Australia has high standards.
It appears from the reluctance to define any clear rules that we are indeed accepting what they are sending us not us deciding and that the food will be vetted by Australia not the U.K.
If you read the original draft Australia promises to endeavour to avoid non essential hormone treatment. This is not the exact words but vaguely similar. Haven’t got a copy to hand.
So it’s endeavour , aim , work towards , we will try we promise type agreements . It’s political speak for sod off and take it or leave it.
It appears we are bending over and taking it.
So no it’s not been a three way agreement it’s just AUS and NZ keeping their rules and by default us lowering ours . I again refer to the Which organisations view on this threat.
I would be very happy to be wrong. Judging by the polls Boris has to do something positive sooner rather than later . .
In an interesting footnote twist to all this the US food groups have been protesting for years on the removal of country of origin labels COOL which was described as discrimination by the House of Representatives in the US. The meat producers fought for labelling as the US imports very sub-standard meat from very poor standard countries. They are now using that approach to try and export . Interesting and scary times.. So follow that to its ultimate conclusion and we will have no idea where our meat comes from, even if it’s shipped from the US.
Oh dear I appear to have annoyed you. This was certainly not my intention so if I have I apologize. We seem to be talking at cross purposes. My post was mainly about labelling on both the food from OZ/ NZ and current producers where as you are talking about America. I share your suspicions about how certain questions were not clearly answered in HOC. This is what led me to ask about the labels specifically from OZ/NG and current producers. As things stand I cannot see anything that means labels about origin will be removed or not applied. I think (I emphasise just think) current labels having origin of produce is law so any changes would require a law change. If this should happen then we will have our answer one way and if not will have our answer the other way. Allow me to repeat I hope I did not cause any offense
I’ve just re read my post and it is a bit to aggressive so equally please accept my apologies. It wasn’t my intent.
The OP was originally pint glasses and keeping pounds and ounces both of which are backward thinking and distractive nonsense.
So we are both off at a,tangent.
Regarding labels the US want then removing for U.K. imports as they know their standards are horrific in parts. The NZ and AUS as far as I know won’t need to remove labelling because our government are rolling over to allow hormone treated meat into the U.K.
AUS uses the US methods of stock farming and hormones widely. New Zealand are being accused of allowing the increasing use of hormones to compete in the Asian market.
In all cases you will not see any sources on processed foods and so cheap unchecked meat will be in your ready meals without your knowledge.
In my opinion we are dumbing down and rolling over just for a headline we’ve got a deal without the EU. Never mind the negative impact financially to our balance of payments or the dramatically lower food standards. We’ve got a deal aren’t we good..
We are being conned and people seem to think it’s ok. I’ll repeat , Reece Mogg said AUS food standards are high . He strangely couldn’t explain why they are high or provide evidence on those claims.
Thank you. Wow it did start about glasses lol.
It was when someone mentioned how Reece Mogg avoided the question that got me thinking about labels. So we know the U.S., OZ and NZ use growth hormones in their farming. The U.S. , as you say we're not keen on putting the origin on their labels. However if you will forgive me that is for the future as no trade deal is likely soon. For OZ and NZ they will put origin on their labels. Neither the U.S., OZ or NZ can stop all other suppliers putting origin on their labels which in effect negates the U.S. attempt to hide facts. I just looked at the food standards that another poster kindly mentioned. If I am reading it right then even pre pack food needs to have origin on them. I just checked some packs of ham I have and they all have origin on them (100% British). Now nothing is impossible to change in law so that's what I will also be looking out for as its currently law not to use or import hormone meat and also currently origin needs to be displayed. "
You’re correct most of what you write but just small points are that we could be eating Columbia’s or Vietnamese meat if no origins are reported through the US system even if it does say produced in the USA.
Another is when I said processed I’m not talking pre packed meat so much as ready meals where it will simply say origins multiple countries.
We are moving towards a free for all on imports and that can’t be a good thing.
If we agree to import beef from Australia we are allowing hormones that’s fact as they are used extensively. We don’t I think have a specific U.K. ban on hormones just rules hanging over from our former EU rules. I may be wrong here so happy to be corrected as it may be adopted into U.K. legislation. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Simple then dobt eat it if your worried about it,plenty other choices,saying that was we not in the e.u when we were being sold horse meat,so it prob dont really matter if we have there food standards or not,chlorinated chicken or horsemeat sold as beef what will i choose lol
sorry I think your still refering to the US and not so much OZ and NZ. As I say I recall the US position but that never went ahead and does not look likely too any time soon. Do you have evidence OZ and NZ will refuse to put country of origin on products. Do you have evidence that UK farmers and farmers from other countries supplying the UK will have to change thier labels. When I say evidence I dont mean opinions but decisions by goverments that can be checked, if that makes sense. When you say OZ and NZ are setting the standards of the products do you mean the UK has no say what so ever and they can send anything they like. Or is it rules worked out by the 3 countries together but maybe any physical checks are done other there?
The thread is wandered and became about more than OZ and NZ so feel free to complain to the moderators.
No I can’t show you the contracts if that’s what your asking as they are not being published in full yet . Along with the fact I’m not in the cabinet but on a swinger site so a ridiculous question.
The NFU have said they are not happy with what they have been told by our government. Yes I deal with the NFU is that ok??
Reece Mogg was asked if we would have to accept Australian standards to import their meat. He stated Australia has high standards but offered no evidence . He was repeatedly asked if they will meet our current standards which are higher or we will have to accept their standards which are lower . He again said Australia has high standards.
It appears from the reluctance to define any clear rules that we are indeed accepting what they are sending us not us deciding and that the food will be vetted by Australia not the U.K.
If you read the original draft Australia promises to endeavour to avoid non essential hormone treatment. This is not the exact words but vaguely similar. Haven’t got a copy to hand.
So it’s endeavour , aim , work towards , we will try we promise type agreements . It’s political speak for sod off and take it or leave it.
It appears we are bending over and taking it.
So no it’s not been a three way agreement it’s just AUS and NZ keeping their rules and by default us lowering ours . I again refer to the Which organisations view on this threat.
I would be very happy to be wrong. Judging by the polls Boris has to do something positive sooner rather than later . .
In an interesting footnote twist to all this the US food groups have been protesting for years on the removal of country of origin labels COOL which was described as discrimination by the House of Representatives in the US. The meat producers fought for labelling as the US imports very sub-standard meat from very poor standard countries. They are now using that approach to try and export . Interesting and scary times.. So follow that to its ultimate conclusion and we will have no idea where our meat comes from, even if it’s shipped from the US.
Oh dear I appear to have annoyed you. This was certainly not my intention so if I have I apologize. We seem to be talking at cross purposes. My post was mainly about labelling on both the food from OZ/ NZ and current producers where as you are talking about America. I share your suspicions about how certain questions were not clearly answered in HOC. This is what led me to ask about the labels specifically from OZ/NG and current producers. As things stand I cannot see anything that means labels about origin will be removed or not applied. I think (I emphasise just think) current labels having origin of produce is law so any changes would require a law change. If this should happen then we will have our answer one way and if not will have our answer the other way. Allow me to repeat I hope I did not cause any offense
I’ve just re read my post and it is a bit to aggressive so equally please accept my apologies. It wasn’t my intent.
The OP was originally pint glasses and keeping pounds and ounces both of which are backward thinking and distractive nonsense.
So we are both off at a,tangent.
Regarding labels the US want then removing for U.K. imports as they know their standards are horrific in parts. The NZ and AUS as far as I know won’t need to remove labelling because our government are rolling over to allow hormone treated meat into the U.K.
AUS uses the US methods of stock farming and hormones widely. New Zealand are being accused of allowing the increasing use of hormones to compete in the Asian market.
In all cases you will not see any sources on processed foods and so cheap unchecked meat will be in your ready meals without your knowledge.
In my opinion we are dumbing down and rolling over just for a headline we’ve got a deal without the EU. Never mind the negative impact financially to our balance of payments or the dramatically lower food standards. We’ve got a deal aren’t we good..
We are being conned and people seem to think it’s ok. I’ll repeat , Reece Mogg said AUS food standards are high . He strangely couldn’t explain why they are high or provide evidence on those claims.
Thank you. Wow it did start about glasses lol.
It was when someone mentioned how Reece Mogg avoided the question that got me thinking about labels. So we know the U.S., OZ and NZ use growth hormones in their farming. The U.S. , as you say we're not keen on putting the origin on their labels. However if you will forgive me that is for the future as no trade deal is likely soon. For OZ and NZ they will put origin on their labels. Neither the U.S., OZ or NZ can stop all other suppliers putting origin on their labels which in effect negates the U.S. attempt to hide facts. I just looked at the food standards that another poster kindly mentioned. If I am reading it right then even pre pack food needs to have origin on them. I just checked some packs of ham I have and they all have origin on them (100% British). Now nothing is impossible to change in law so that's what I will also be looking out for as its currently law not to use or import hormone meat and also currently origin needs to be displayed.
You’re correct most of what you write but just small points are that we could be eating Columbia’s or Vietnamese meat if no origins are reported through the US system even if it does say produced in the USA.
Another is when I said processed I’m not talking pre packed meat so much as ready meals where it will simply say origins multiple countries.
We are moving towards a free for all on imports and that can’t be a good thing.
If we agree to import beef from Australia we are allowing hormones that’s fact as they are used extensively. We don’t I think have a specific U.K. ban on hormones just rules hanging over from our former EU rules. I may be wrong here so happy to be corrected as it may be adopted into U.K. legislation. "
Most gracious of you, thank you.
I understand the U.S. thing maybe different if a trade deal does get done in the future. As long as UK and other trusted suppliers continue to show their origin then those are the ones I would choose if us ones won't.
It seems ready meals come under pre packed food rules so again origin is required. Where there is a slight difference is when multiple meats are used but even then they have to declare non EU meat present on the labels. I understand this will change to something like non UK or non uk/EU this year. This tells consumers that it does or does not contain meat from the uk/ EU so they can make their choice. I came find a ready meal in my freezer but did find pies which indeed showed this information.
The rules are copy and paste from EU rules so currently you are not allowed to use hormones or import meat with hormones. The label rules are also copy and paste from the EU. All are currently in UK law. I understand for the Australian trade deal which is first up, there will be months of scrutiny before going to parliament as it should be. Hope some of this helps. If nothing else I got to sort through my freezer |
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By *I Two OP Couple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
Actually I was wrong about the pint glasses it's not a brexit benefit after all
The crown stamp had been used on pint glasses for more than 300 years to show they are large enough to hold a full pint.
An EU directive, which took effect in 2006, required the use of an EU-wide "CE" mark which stands for Conformité Européenne - French for "European Conformity".
CE appears on many other products, from toys to medical devices, and it shows that they meet the EU's safety, health and environmental rules and can move freely across its countries with no additional checks.
But the European Commission has rejected the idea that EU rules stopped the UK from having the crown stamp on glasses as well.
A spokesperson told us: "EU law does not prevent markings from being placed on products, so long as it does not overlap or be confused with the CE mark." |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"Actually I was wrong about the pint glasses it's not a brexit benefit after all
The crown stamp had been used on pint glasses for more than 300 years to show they are large enough to hold a full pint.
An EU directive, which took effect in 2006, required the use of an EU-wide "CE" mark which stands for Conformité Européenne - French for "European Conformity".
CE appears on many other products, from toys to medical devices, and it shows that they meet the EU's safety, health and environmental rules and can move freely across its countries with no additional checks.
But the European Commission has rejected the idea that EU rules stopped the UK from having the crown stamp on glasses as well.
A spokesperson told us: "EU law does not prevent markings from being placed on products, so long as it does not overlap or be confused with the CE mark.""
. ,, ,, which does sound remarkably similar to being told we could not have blue passports while a member of the EU ,when we could actually have had any colour we wanted |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Actually I was wrong about the pint glasses it's not a brexit benefit after all
The crown stamp had been used on pint glasses for more than 300 years to show they are large enough to hold a full pint.
An EU directive, which took effect in 2006, required the use of an EU-wide "CE" mark which stands for Conformité Européenne - French for "European Conformity".
CE appears on many other products, from toys to medical devices, and it shows that they meet the EU's safety, health and environmental rules and can move freely across its countries with no additional checks.
But the European Commission has rejected the idea that EU rules stopped the UK from having the crown stamp on glasses as well.
A spokesperson told us: "EU law does not prevent markings from being placed on products, so long as it does not overlap or be confused with the CE mark.""
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"We are allowing hormone treated meat from Australia and New Zealand. That’s going before Parliament but the whip will be used to make sure the tories vote for it.
Given that 60% of Tory MPs were given their jobs by central office of the Conservative party they will do as they are told and we will have no say.
Didn’t see lower food standards on the referendum ballot paper.
Fuck U.K. farming and better welfare / health standards. The standard we now accept has been set by the New Zealand and Australian governments. Is that taking back control? Looks pretty shit to me
I urge you (again), to read the facts on New Zealand farming, and their use of hormones.
The UK Goverment has said repeatedly, that hormone treated meat will NOT be allowed to be imported.
Until such time that proposals are put forward to change this, then this arguement about lower food standards, is just non-starter.
The government stated that New Zealand and Australia's food standards are good so we are safe to eat their Produce. They use words such as endeavour and work towards when questions on hormone meat are raised. When asked about the checks and details Reece Mogg would only answer that Australia has high standards . He would not be drawn on the fact that Australia ( by the same set up NZ) will be enforcing any checks not the U.K.
How will we possibly know what is and is not treated .
Our food standards enforcement will be relying on another country in effect.
So I asked is this taking back control.
It may not be allowed but we won’t know will we!!
you are working on the premise that that eu food safety standards are the best and ones to look up to.Do you actually think that the eu actually care more about the health of their citizens than other countries in the world? personally i think most of these rules and regulations are there to protect their market not the health of the people.
There has been no proof to say hormone treated beef is any worse for you than untreated thats why countries still do it not because they care less about their people.Its the same with chlorine it seems its ok in the eu to wash vegetables in it but not chicken it was banned for political reasons not health.
Saying that im all for high standards but they should be based solely on health not protectionist reasons and the eu is not the world leading standard to judge everything on they dont seem to worry about producing foie gras for example and that is barbaric. "
Chlorine chicken was nothing to do with the chlorine - it’s to do with the fact that so long as the chicken is given a chlorine wash at the end, the standards of the facility and treatment of the meat can be lower during processing. |
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