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"Was that not the Faragian mantra? In 2 announcements slipped out on Christmas Eve, ministers said British fruit & veg growers will be able to recruit overseas workers to help bring in harvests over next 3 yrs, while foreign care staff will be allowed into the country under a special visa from early in 2022. I guess that the British workers didn't want the jobs after all.." The prisons are full of potential farmhands | |||
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 Who will be the losers.!!!!! The folks in the middle. | |||
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"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing." Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie." Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want. | |||
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"It's a game of ! Tug of war, with the economy. Instead a rope being used, Both sides are tugging on an elastic band. The people at the top of the food chain, are pulling against, The non productive people at the bottom. Keep adding to the Non. At some point the band will SNAP. Who will be the losers.!!!!! The folks in the middle."Good analogy that | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want." Absolutely agree with this. People feel that some jobs are beneath them and would never take them. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want." there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas " Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given. | |||
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"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given." so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak " Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there." Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to. | |||
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"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to." Better pay for jobs is one tool but cutting the cost of living should be implemented too. Higher wages will squeeze some businesses too much. Then if you give wee Jimmy more money the price of living goes up faster and he is poorer but guess what, big business owners are richer. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to. Better pay for jobs is one tool but cutting the cost of living should be implemented too. Higher wages will squeeze some businesses too much. Then if you give wee Jimmy more money the price of living goes up faster and he is poorer but guess what, big business owners are richer. " But how do you cut the cost of living to achieve this without stagnating wage growth which in turn will lead to unfilled vacancies again which in turn leads to a shortage of supply which in turn pushes up the retail price to the consumer, once again increasing the cost of living. Some of these professions have been under paid for years and we as consumers have enjoyed having cheap available produce whenever we want it off the back of those working in conditions that many would refuse to do. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to. Better pay for jobs is one tool but cutting the cost of living should be implemented too. Higher wages will squeeze some businesses too much. Then if you give wee Jimmy more money the price of living goes up faster and he is poorer but guess what, big business owners are richer. But how do you cut the cost of living to achieve this without stagnating wage growth which in turn will lead to unfilled vacancies again which in turn leads to a shortage of supply which in turn pushes up the retail price to the consumer, once again increasing the cost of living. Some of these professions have been under paid for years and we as consumers have enjoyed having cheap available produce whenever we want it off the back of those working in conditions that many would refuse to do." Well if we’re not taxed so much maybe it would reduce the pressure, possible price controls on essentials items which prevent production barons from making huge profits. Again this government has created a crisis in the cost of living, they cut and squeezed, then borrowed to fix, then wasted what they borrowed. Its sheer incompetence on a massive scale. Even if they get rid of the Current PM and replace them with another in their own party it’s is not going to restore public confidence. Its the 90’s all over again. A government in power for so long that it has taken its supporters for granted and displayed its one rule for them and another for us. 2022 is a make or break year. I don’t think the British people has the stomach for more mismanagement of the public purse and being taken for fools any longer. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to. Better pay for jobs is one tool but cutting the cost of living should be implemented too. Higher wages will squeeze some businesses too much. Then if you give wee Jimmy more money the price of living goes up faster and he is poorer but guess what, big business owners are richer. But how do you cut the cost of living to achieve this without stagnating wage growth which in turn will lead to unfilled vacancies again which in turn leads to a shortage of supply which in turn pushes up the retail price to the consumer, once again increasing the cost of living. Some of these professions have been under paid for years and we as consumers have enjoyed having cheap available produce whenever we want it off the back of those working in conditions that many would refuse to do." Could start by making electric and gas companies not for profit. Rich getting richer while the working poor struggle and some eat or heat is a scandal of huge proportions. | |||
"I guess that the British workers didn't want the jobs after all.." This is the true issue. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to. Better pay for jobs is one tool but cutting the cost of living should be implemented too. Higher wages will squeeze some businesses too much. Then if you give wee Jimmy more money the price of living goes up faster and he is poorer but guess what, big business owners are richer. But how do you cut the cost of living to achieve this without stagnating wage growth which in turn will lead to unfilled vacancies again which in turn leads to a shortage of supply which in turn pushes up the retail price to the consumer, once again increasing the cost of living. Some of these professions have been under paid for years and we as consumers have enjoyed having cheap available produce whenever we want it off the back of those working in conditions that many would refuse to do. Well if we’re not taxed so much maybe it would reduce the pressure, possible price controls on essentials items which prevent production barons from making huge profits. Again this government has created a crisis in the cost of living, they cut and squeezed, then borrowed to fix, then wasted what they borrowed. Its sheer incompetence on a massive scale. Even if they get rid of the Current PM and replace them with another in their own party it’s is not going to restore public confidence. Its the 90’s all over again. A government in power for so long that it has taken its supporters for granted and displayed its one rule for them and another for us. 2022 is a make or break year. I don’t think the British people has the stomach for more mismanagement of the public purse and being taken for fools any longer." Yes tax cuts would help but it would also almost certainly lead to cuts in public services, you can't have your cake and eat it so to speak. Its a very fine balancing act, although I do agree if there was less waste it would make the whole situation a whole lot better. You blame the current government and so do I to some extent, but I also blame previous governments too because most of the problems with inequality in this country have existed for decades and every incumbent government does very little in there time in office to rectify it in my opinion. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to. Better pay for jobs is one tool but cutting the cost of living should be implemented too. Higher wages will squeeze some businesses too much. Then if you give wee Jimmy more money the price of living goes up faster and he is poorer but guess what, big business owners are richer. But how do you cut the cost of living to achieve this without stagnating wage growth which in turn will lead to unfilled vacancies again which in turn leads to a shortage of supply which in turn pushes up the retail price to the consumer, once again increasing the cost of living. Some of these professions have been under paid for years and we as consumers have enjoyed having cheap available produce whenever we want it off the back of those working in conditions that many would refuse to do. Could start by making electric and gas companies not for profit. Rich getting richer while the working poor struggle and some eat or heat is a scandal of huge proportions. " Yeah you could but unless you made them state owned and funded there would be no electric or gas companies because no private company is going to invest money in inferstructure and personal without a return on there money they invest because otherwise why chance it, you would just keep the cash in your bank. I am not sure also if we can make everything state owned again because of current law and there are rules under EU law that could also effect us if we choose to do so. | |||
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"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to. Better pay for jobs is one tool but cutting the cost of living should be implemented too. Higher wages will squeeze some businesses too much. Then if you give wee Jimmy more money the price of living goes up faster and he is poorer but guess what, big business owners are richer. But how do you cut the cost of living to achieve this without stagnating wage growth which in turn will lead to unfilled vacancies again which in turn leads to a shortage of supply which in turn pushes up the retail price to the consumer, once again increasing the cost of living. Some of these professions have been under paid for years and we as consumers have enjoyed having cheap available produce whenever we want it off the back of those working in conditions that many would refuse to do. Well if we’re not taxed so much maybe it would reduce the pressure, possible price controls on essentials items which prevent production barons from making huge profits. Again this government has created a crisis in the cost of living, they cut and squeezed, then borrowed to fix, then wasted what they borrowed. Its sheer incompetence on a massive scale. Even if they get rid of the Current PM and replace them with another in their own party it’s is not going to restore public confidence. Its the 90’s all over again. A government in power for so long that it has taken its supporters for granted and displayed its one rule for them and another for us. 2022 is a make or break year. I don’t think the British people has the stomach for more mismanagement of the public purse and being taken for fools any longer." And what do you think ‘they’ (British people) are going to do about it? From past track record precious little except bicker on social media and sit at home wanking! | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there. Its not just about it being a decent job, for most its simple economics, if the job pays less than uni credit then why bother and if the job doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage and put food on the table for your family you won't take it either. We need to realise that maybe we actually need to pay the true costs for our food to reach our table instead of living in the fantasy world that many seem to. Better pay for jobs is one tool but cutting the cost of living should be implemented too. Higher wages will squeeze some businesses too much. Then if you give wee Jimmy more money the price of living goes up faster and he is poorer but guess what, big business owners are richer. But how do you cut the cost of living to achieve this without stagnating wage growth which in turn will lead to unfilled vacancies again which in turn leads to a shortage of supply which in turn pushes up the retail price to the consumer, once again increasing the cost of living. Some of these professions have been under paid for years and we as consumers have enjoyed having cheap available produce whenever we want it off the back of those working in conditions that many would refuse to do. Well if we’re not taxed so much maybe it would reduce the pressure, possible price controls on essentials items which prevent production barons from making huge profits. Again this government has created a crisis in the cost of living, they cut and squeezed, then borrowed to fix, then wasted what they borrowed. Its sheer incompetence on a massive scale. Even if they get rid of the Current PM and replace them with another in their own party it’s is not going to restore public confidence. Its the 90’s all over again. A government in power for so long that it has taken its supporters for granted and displayed its one rule for them and another for us. 2022 is a make or break year. I don’t think the British people has the stomach for more mismanagement of the public purse and being taken for fools any longer. And what do you think ‘they’ (British people) are going to do about it? From past track record precious little except bicker on social media and sit at home wanking! " I disagree with that point, we can only see in the previous by elections that there is a desire for the removal of the current occupant of number 10. I think there is general universal agreement that the PM has failed miserably in many areas, more so their conduct as leader which has led to so many incidents which have directly affected the UK. I think the last general election was a genuine attempt by the electorate to demonstrate that they ultimately wanted to draw a line under some real big issues, I feel many tory voters were seduced by promises of control being given back, problem was the control given was never intended to be wielded by the actual public, but to be concentrated in the hands of those who were to benefit the most, e.g. the “natural” party of government. With only token gestures of support being given which did not fully quench the needs and desires of the electorate. The harsh reality is that we have all been duped, scammed, and taken for the proverbial ride. We were promised a land of plenty, with stable prices, more money in our pockets and a greater say in our democracy. We’ve now become a land of want, unstable prices, less money in our pocket due to increases, and less say in how our democracy should benefit the British people. Many straws have been laden on the British camel, one more will break its back. | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there." yes there where alot of celebrities and influencers just after the war them lazy British soldiers how dare they pmsl | |||
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"To all those who believed the lies that they were told and then voted for brexit - this is your future. Live with it" Aye that's all very well but what of those who never voted for it? We're just stuck with the shite. | |||
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"Was that not the Faragian mantra? In 2 announcements slipped out on Christmas Eve, ministers said British fruit & veg growers will be able to recruit overseas workers to help bring in harvests over next 3 yrs, while foreign care staff will be allowed into the country under a special visa from early in 2022. I guess that the British workers didn't want the jobs after all.." They do! They just aren't paid enough considering what those jobs fully entail! Back breaking work in the fields, which can cause all sorts of other health related issues. In the middle of nowhere and during unsociable hours in most cases. Care work that is seriously underpaid. I know because I work in the care industry already. So many different sectors. I'm a complex care support worker. I've been hit, kicked and had all kinds of bodily fluids thrown at me. Including diarrhea from a stoma bag done by an adult woman who ought to of known better! She had full mental capacity. So no excuses there. I've been sexually assaulted by an young adult male with full mental capacity. He knew what he did and admitted it after I reported him to my manager. They did everything they could to sweep that under the carpet. Despite me being the fourth woman he's done it too! Not to mention some really horrible families you have to work alongside. Because it's in their own homes where you're taking care of their family members. Most if not all care agencies, including private healthcare companies, do not pay your petrol or mileage. So working care packages all over your county can reduce your pay packet considerably. There's so much carers and support workers put up with and recieve little to no support. Working throughout covid pandemic with Covid positive clients who live alone due to their families not being with them. Try doing that and live on the wages offered. You may think oh why put up with it then? Because I and others do care. We have own kids and homes to support. What else is there out there? Some workers can afford to walk away from the industry but other's like myself can't, not yet anyway. So I don't blame the majority for not wanting to come into this line of work. I just would prefer a more livable wage. | |||
"I guess that the British workers didn't want the jobs after all.. They do! They just aren't paid enough considering what those jobs fully entail!" This is the reason why people do not want these jobs. What needs to happen, in my opinion is that these sort of jobs become better paid. Which will mean the price of things such as food will need to rise to match its true cost. A chicken for £3.00 is not the true price. But then people will complain about that. It's actually very complicated, and is the result of several factors. | |||
"Was that not the Faragian mantra? In 2 announcements slipped out on Christmas Eve, ministers said British fruit & veg growers will be able to recruit overseas workers to help bring in harvests over next 3 yrs, while foreign care staff will be allowed into the country under a special visa from early in 2022. I guess that the British workers didn't want the jobs after all.. They do! They just aren't paid enough considering what those jobs fully entail! Back breaking work in the fields, which can cause all sorts of other health related issues. In the middle of nowhere and during unsociable hours in most cases. Care work that is seriously underpaid. I know because I work in the care industry already. So many different sectors. I'm a complex care support worker. I've been hit, kicked and had all kinds of bodily fluids thrown at me. Including diarrhea from a stoma bag done by an adult woman who ought to of known better! She had full mental capacity. So no excuses there. I've been sexually assaulted by an young adult male with full mental capacity. He knew what he did and admitted it after I reported him to my manager. They did everything they could to sweep that under the carpet. Despite me being the fourth woman he's done it too! Not to mention some really horrible families you have to work alongside. Because it's in their own homes where you're taking care of their family members. Most if not all care agencies, including private healthcare companies, do not pay your petrol or mileage. So working care packages all over your county can reduce your pay packet considerably. There's so much carers and support workers put up with and recieve little to no support. Working throughout covid pandemic with Covid positive clients who live alone due to their families not being with them. Try doing that and live on the wages offered. You may think oh why put up with it then? Because I and others do care. We have own kids and homes to support. What else is there out there? Some workers can afford to walk away from the industry but other's like myself can't, not yet anyway. So I don't blame the majority for not wanting to come into this line of work. I just would prefer a more livable wage. " and there’s the truth right there well said | |||
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"millions won't be able to pay their electric bill let alone put any extra aside for help in their old age. the country is in the worst mess it's ever been in and it's now rapidly getting worse unfortunately. " And I’ll ask again (though not directed at the quoted poster per se)… what will the general public do about it? Previous response stated a change at No. 10 is needed. But we don’t vote in PMs. We vote in MPs and the party with the majority to form a government elect a leader who becomes PM. So do we think the country will swing back to Labour? PS am not a tory, was not connect by any delusional promises over the election or Brexit. So whilst I can see the need for a change. I really don’t see how we can recover from this in any meaningful way without reforms far greater than voting red over blue. So I’ll wager again. Brits “won’t do shit” about it. Too busy moaning, blaming others and watching people bake cakes and dance. We’re in for a decade of inflation and the bottom 95% are going to take the brunt. Same as always. Watchagonnadoo? | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want.there may of been a shortage of men post war maybe that’s why needed the workers from overseas Yes a shortage of men who wanted to do terrible jobs, so hire immigrants instead. And this what happened when we were in the EU, hire eu nationals to do the same thing. But kinda bit those free marketeers in the ass when they realised these migrants were better trained and educated, and they had ambitions beyond the terrible jobs they were given.so these men who fought a 6year war wouldn’t do them jobs because they thought it was beneath them pmsl is that what your saying what a fucking cheak Tell the migrants who did those jobs many of whom fought in the same war also, but alas, people seem to forget it was a team effort and not this claptrap it was just the UK fighting the Axis powers single-handedly. But that is not the point, the point is this, the reason why migration is important and has been for many years is that British jobs are not desirable at the lower end of the market to British people.Brits are Fed on a daily mix of celebrities and influencers, all providing this dreamworld where skills and knowledge are inconsequential, so as a result Johnny public doesn’t think that a decent job is on the conveyor belt of an abattoir slaughtering pigs is going to get them the Bling. Hence we end up with migrants doing those jobs. If Britain wants to get itself up and running those Brits who turn then noses up at good honest work, they have to realise the food on their plate requires effort to get there.yes there where alot of celebrities and influencers just after the war them lazy British soldiers how dare they pmsl " I addressed the war point, put it aside, then moved on to what could be perceived as current mindset. I doubt that could be misinterpreted, I never said lazy, more correctly It would being too proud to do menial labour, that’s why at any given opportunity we tend to outsource those jobs to migrants. | |||
"Was that not the Faragian mantra? In 2 announcements slipped out on Christmas Eve, ministers said British fruit & veg growers will be able to recruit overseas workers to help bring in harvests over next 3 yrs, while foreign care staff will be allowed into the country under a special visa from early in 2022. I guess that the British workers didn't want the jobs after all.. They do! They just aren't paid enough considering what those jobs fully entail! Back breaking work in the fields, which can cause all sorts of other health related issues. In the middle of nowhere and during unsociable hours in most cases. Care work that is seriously underpaid. I know because I work in the care industry already. So many different sectors. I'm a complex care support worker. I've been hit, kicked and had all kinds of bodily fluids thrown at me. Including diarrhea from a stoma bag done by an adult woman who ought to of known better! She had full mental capacity. So no excuses there. I've been sexually assaulted by an young adult male with full mental capacity. He knew what he did and admitted it after I reported him to my manager. They did everything they could to sweep that under the carpet. Despite me being the fourth woman he's done it too! Not to mention some really horrible families you have to work alongside. Because it's in their own homes where you're taking care of their family members. Most if not all care agencies, including private healthcare companies, do not pay your petrol or mileage. So working care packages all over your county can reduce your pay packet considerably. There's so much carers and support workers put up with and recieve little to no support. Working throughout covid pandemic with Covid positive clients who live alone due to their families not being with them. Try doing that and live on the wages offered. You may think oh why put up with it then? Because I and others do care. We have own kids and homes to support. What else is there out there? Some workers can afford to walk away from the industry but other's like myself can't, not yet anyway. So I don't blame the majority for not wanting to come into this line of work. I just would prefer a more livable wage. " This is why outsourcing care to migrants is considered desirable, because then it becomes out of sight and out of mind, then they become the sufferers with no recourse. I would say to the majority to do this line of work, because then you can see the true extent of the care crisis, what is the term? to walk a mile in someone’s shoes. Because only British citizens have the political will to make the necessary changes to the care system, I dare say if they see what is going on, I doubt they would even put an “X” against a tory candidate. | |||
"millions won't be able to pay their electric bill let alone put any extra aside for help in their old age. the country is in the worst mess it's ever been in and it's now rapidly getting worse unfortunately. And I’ll ask again (though not directed at the quoted poster per se)… what will the general public do about it? Previous response stated a change at No. 10 is needed. But we don’t vote in PMs. We vote in MPs and the party with the majority to form a government elect a leader who becomes PM. So do we think the country will swing back to Labour? PS am not a tory, was not connect by any delusional promises over the election or Brexit. So whilst I can see the need for a change. I really don’t see how we can recover from this in any meaningful way without reforms far greater than voting red over blue. So I’ll wager again. Brits “won’t do shit” about it. Too busy moaning, blaming others and watching people bake cakes and dance. We’re in for a decade of inflation and the bottom 95% are going to take the brunt. Same as always. Watchagonnadoo? " All it takes is one decision, unilaterally applied by everyone on one day no “X” against a tory candidate, it’s that simple, whoever else you vote for is upto you. Is that so difficult? | |||
"millions won't be able to pay their electric bill let alone put any extra aside for help in their old age. the country is in the worst mess it's ever been in and it's now rapidly getting worse unfortunately. And I’ll ask again (though not directed at the quoted poster per se)… what will the general public do about it? Previous response stated a change at No. 10 is needed. But we don’t vote in PMs. We vote in MPs and the party with the majority to form a government elect a leader who becomes PM. So do we think the country will swing back to Labour? PS am not a tory, was not connect by any delusional promises over the election or Brexit. So whilst I can see the need for a change. I really don’t see how we can recover from this in any meaningful way without reforms far greater than voting red over blue. So I’ll wager again. Brits “won’t do shit” about it. Too busy moaning, blaming others and watching people bake cakes and dance. We’re in for a decade of inflation and the bottom 95% are going to take the brunt. Same as always. Watchagonnadoo? All it takes is one decision, unilaterally applied by everyone on one day no “X” against a tory candidate, it’s that simple, whoever else you vote for is upto you. Is that so difficult? " That eliminates the Tories sure. But the well-being of the 95% - do you seriously think there’s anyone in the other parties who have the means and vision to reverse that decline? | |||
"millions won't be able to pay their electric bill let alone put any extra aside for help in their old age. the country is in the worst mess it's ever been in and it's now rapidly getting worse unfortunately. And I’ll ask again (though not directed at the quoted poster per se)… what will the general public do about it? Previous response stated a change at No. 10 is needed. But we don’t vote in PMs. We vote in MPs and the party with the majority to form a government elect a leader who becomes PM. So do we think the country will swing back to Labour? PS am not a tory, was not connect by any delusional promises over the election or Brexit. So whilst I can see the need for a change. I really don’t see how we can recover from this in any meaningful way without reforms far greater than voting red over blue. So I’ll wager again. Brits “won’t do shit” about it. Too busy moaning, blaming others and watching people bake cakes and dance. We’re in for a decade of inflation and the bottom 95% are going to take the brunt. Same as always. Watchagonnadoo? All it takes is one decision, unilaterally applied by everyone on one day no “X” against a tory candidate, it’s that simple, whoever else you vote for is upto you. Is that so difficult? That eliminates the Tories sure. But the well-being of the 95% - do you seriously think there’s anyone in the other parties who have the means and vision to reverse that decline? " I do, that is trust in democracy to self correct. If it can happen in other countries which had governments just as bad as this current one has been, what means it cannot happen here? I feel People are getting fed up, and people do not want business as usual corruption. But other parties are starting to come through, just gotta trust in the process. | |||
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"millions won't be able to pay their electric bill let alone put any extra aside for help in their old age. the country is in the worst mess it's ever been in and it's now rapidly getting worse unfortunately. And I’ll ask again (though not directed at the quoted poster per se)… what will the general public do about it? Previous response stated a change at No. 10 is needed. But we don’t vote in PMs. We vote in MPs and the party with the majority to form a government elect a leader who becomes PM. So do we think the country will swing back to Labour? PS am not a tory, was not connect by any delusional promises over the election or Brexit. So whilst I can see the need for a change. I really don’t see how we can recover from this in any meaningful way without reforms far greater than voting red over blue. So I’ll wager again. Brits “won’t do shit” about it. Too busy moaning, blaming others and watching people bake cakes and dance. We’re in for a decade of inflation and the bottom 95% are going to take the brunt. Same as always. Watchagonnadoo? All it takes is one decision, unilaterally applied by everyone on one day no “X” against a tory candidate, it’s that simple, whoever else you vote for is upto you. Is that so difficult? That eliminates the Tories sure. But the well-being of the 95% - do you seriously think there’s anyone in the other parties who have the means and vision to reverse that decline? I do, that is trust in democracy to self correct. If it can happen in other countries which had governments just as bad as this current one has been, what means it cannot happen here? I feel People are getting fed up, and people do not want business as usual corruption. But other parties are starting to come through, just gotta trust in the process. " The problem with that is the process is fucked. It's gonna take more than voting. | |||
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"The interesting thing about us needing workers for these jobs and our EU friends now really not wanting to come and do them (I can't think why), is that India are pushing hard for a Freedom of Movement clause in any trade deal they do with us..." And India has a far larger population than the whole of the EU,  | |||
"The interesting thing about us needing workers for these jobs and our EU friends now really not wanting to come and do them (I can't think why), is that India are pushing hard for a Freedom of Movement clause in any trade deal they do with us... And India has a far larger population than the whole of the EU, "so are you now guna predict freedom of movement with India ? | |||
"The interesting thing about us needing workers for these jobs and our EU friends now really not wanting to come and do them (I can't think why), is that India are pushing hard for a Freedom of Movement clause in any trade deal they do with us... And India has a far larger population than the whole of the EU, so are you now guna predict freedom of movement with India ? "They want a ‘version ‘ of freedom movement in any trade deal, India’s population , 1.38 billion, UKs population - 67 million. | |||
"The interesting thing about us needing workers for these jobs and our EU friends now really not wanting to come and do them (I can't think why), is that India are pushing hard for a Freedom of Movement clause in any trade deal they do with us... And India has a far larger population than the whole of the EU, so are you now guna predict freedom of movement with India ?
They want a ‘version ‘ of freedom movement in any trade deal, India’s population , 1.38 billion, UKs population - 67 million. "So is this now the latest prediction?  | |||
"The interesting thing about us needing workers for these jobs and our EU friends now really not wanting to come and do them (I can't think why), is that India are pushing hard for a Freedom of Movement clause in any trade deal they do with us... And India has a far larger population than the whole of the EU, so are you now guna predict freedom of movement with India ?
They want a ‘version ‘ of freedom movement in any trade deal, India’s population , 1.38 billion, UKs population - 67 million. So is this now the latest prediction? "I haven’t made a prediction, just stated that India want a type of ‘freedom of movement ‘ as part of any trade deal , | |||
"The interesting thing about us needing workers for these jobs and our EU friends now really not wanting to come and do them (I can't think why), is that India are pushing hard for a Freedom of Movement clause in any trade deal they do with us... And India has a far larger population than the whole of the EU, so are you now guna predict freedom of movement with India ?
They want a ‘version ‘ of freedom movement in any trade deal, India’s population , 1.38 billion, UKs population - 67 million. "yes I do know that thanx lol but are you going to stick your kneel out and predict free movement then ? I don’t think it will happen that’s my prediction | |||
"The interesting thing about us needing workers for these jobs and our EU friends now really not wanting to come and do them (I can't think why), is that India are pushing hard for a Freedom of Movement clause in any trade deal they do with us... And India has a far larger population than the whole of the EU, so are you now guna predict freedom of movement with India ?
They want a ‘version ‘ of freedom movement in any trade deal, India’s population , 1.38 billion, UKs population - 67 million. yes I do know that thanx lol but are you going to stick your kneel out and predict free movement then ? I don’t think it will happen that’s my prediction "Kneel out? I am stating that India want freedom of movement as part of any trade deal, what I will predict is that India will get the better end of any deal , just like Australia did | |||
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"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india "Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘? | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘? "thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.  | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it. "I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating. | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating. "These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago. | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago."That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point | |||
"The interesting thing about us needing workers for these jobs and our EU friends now really not wanting to come and do them (I can't think why), is that India are pushing hard for a Freedom of Movement clause in any trade deal they do with us... And India has a far larger population than the whole of the EU, so are you now guna predict freedom of movement with India ?
They want a ‘version ‘ of freedom movement in any trade deal, India’s population , 1.38 billion, UKs population - 67 million. yes I do know that thanx lol but are you going to stick your kneel out and predict free movement then ? I don’t think it will happen that’s my prediction
Kneel out? I am stating that India want freedom of movement as part of any trade deal, what I will predict is that India will get the better end of any deal , just like Australia did "yes but that’s what negotiations are for I’m predicting they won’t get free movement I understand why your not putting ya knock on the line lol | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point"Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point
Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden "That's because you don't know enough about what you are taking about. We do not make anything and primarily exported services. Most of India is poor. Most of Europe is rich and buys services like insurance, and financial services. India will not. India will not be buying anything from us in any way to make up from what we have lost. You are on this site and so should know it's not about how big something is. | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point
Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden "You do realise that only about 10% of india's population could afford goods made in the UK, about 150m people, whereas over 90% of the EU's population could afford UK products, over 400m people. It's a bit like opening a harrods here in blyth and expecting to make a profit | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point
Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden
You do realise that only about 10% of india's population could afford goods made in the UK, about 150m people, whereas over 90% of the EU's population could afford UK products, over 400m people.
It's a bit like opening a harrods here in blyth and expecting to make a profit "Is anyone proposing to stop selling goods to the eu? so the extra 150m people is a bonus. | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point
Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden
You do realise that only about 10% of india's population could afford goods made in the UK, about 150m people, whereas over 90% of the EU's population could afford UK products, over 400m people.
It's a bit like opening a harrods here in blyth and expecting to make a profit Is anyone proposing to stop selling goods to the eu? so the extra 150m people is a bonus. "Never said we were, it was a reply to the quote Europe looks small all of a sudden | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point
Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden
That's because you don't know enough about what you are taking about.
We do not make anything and primarily exported services. Most of India is poor. Most of Europe is rich and buys services like insurance, and financial services. India will not.
India will not be buying anything from us in any way to make up from what we have lost.
You are on this site and so should know it's not about how big something is.
"Yes i do and you dont, Selling and building infrastructure is always lucrative and India needs loads of it, think how quickly Singapore grew. But if people think it's a good idea to ignore a 1.38 billion population they must be daft! | |||
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"millions won't be able to pay their electric bill let alone put any extra aside for help in their old age. the country is in the worst mess it's ever been in and it's now rapidly getting worse unfortunately. And I’ll ask again (though not directed at the quoted poster per se)… what will the general public do about it? Previous response stated a change at No. 10 is needed. But we don’t vote in PMs. We vote in MPs and the party with the majority to form a government elect a leader who becomes PM. So do we think the country will swing back to Labour? PS am not a tory, was not connect by any delusional promises over the election or Brexit. So whilst I can see the need for a change. I really don’t see how we can recover from this in any meaningful way without reforms far greater than voting red over blue. So I’ll wager again. Brits “won’t do shit” about it. Too busy moaning, blaming others and watching people bake cakes and dance. We’re in for a decade of inflation and the bottom 95% are going to take the brunt. Same as always. Watchagonnadoo? All it takes is one decision, unilaterally applied by everyone on one day no “X” against a tory candidate, it’s that simple, whoever else you vote for is upto you. Is that so difficult? That eliminates the Tories sure. But the well-being of the 95% - do you seriously think there’s anyone in the other parties who have the means and vision to reverse that decline? I do, that is trust in democracy to self correct. If it can happen in other countries which had governments just as bad as this current one has been, what means it cannot happen here? I feel People are getting fed up, and people do not want business as usual corruption. But other parties are starting to come through, just gotta trust in the process. The problem with that is the process is fucked. It's gonna take more than voting." Voting is the key, it’s the way through, granted the process is not in the best shape at the moment, but you need to provide the opportunity for the process to recover. We cannot give up on democracy so quickly. | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it. "Maybe the majority of this imaginary 1% would be working for the NHS | |||
"I think the Home Secretary is not going to let freedom of movement deal with India occur, it would go back on a promise made in the the general election, I would suspect it might be controlled immigration but with preferential treatment for Indian nationals, it might provide some trade with India, but India will hold back greater access to its markets, but it will sold as a major deal by the conservatives which will be pushed by supporting media outlets. It could happen that way." Of course this govt has never gone back on any promises made previously | |||
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"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point
Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden
That's because you don't know enough about what you are taking about.
We do not make anything and primarily exported services. Most of India is poor. Most of Europe is rich and buys services like insurance, and financial services. India will not.
India will not be buying anything from us in any way to make up from what we have lost.
You are on this site and so should know it's not about how big something is.
Yes i do and you dont, Selling and building infrastructure is always lucrative and India needs loads of it, think how quickly Singapore grew. But if people think it's a good idea to ignore a 1.38 billion population they must be daft! "They don’t need the UK to build their infrastructure | |||
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"Thank god those foreign types allow us Brits to work in their countries. My poor husband wouldn't know what hit him if he couldn't travel to those horrible foreign climes. Bless him. "Not too sure what point you are making? | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point
Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden "EU's economy dwarfs India's it about 6 times bigger and its on our door step. India will help fill gaps in our labour market. Will allow companies to recruit qualified staff on lower rates. | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating.
These were pretty much the rules until around 7 or 8 years ago.
That's interesting. It may be the rules again then at some point
Can only see it as a good thing, only need to sell goods to a small percentage of India to make it worth while. Europe looks small of a sudden
EU's economy dwarfs India's it about 6 times bigger and its on our door step. India will help fill gaps in our labour market. Will allow companies to recruit qualified staff on lower rates."And keep wages low? | |||
"Thank god those foreign types allow us Brits to work in their countries. My poor husband wouldn't know what hit him if he couldn't travel to those horrible foreign climes. Bless him.
Not too sure what point you are making? "The heading. Thank god other countries don't insist on only jobs for their nationals. | |||
"Foreign nationals of non Indian origin resident outside India are not permitted to acquire any immovable property in India unless such property is acquired by way of inheritance from a person who was resident in India. Perhaps with visa free movement as part of a trade deal this will change and brits will be able to buy land in india and perhaps the nhs will go private coz there are a lot of indians.... if this is the case, which none of us know yet.... i might move to india
Why will the NHS go private ‘coz there are lots of Indians ‘?
thought you were smart enough to think through the possibles.... 1.38 billion indians even if only 1% decide to reside in uk could the nhs cover it? i doubt it.
I does not look like the free movement being proposed is in the same way we have known it in the past. What they seem to be talking about is cutting visa fees and allowing stays to work of up to 3 years for young people,though they do not seem to define how young. Also cutting visa fees for students and allowing longer stay after graduating. "Quick note: I mentioned that visas may be extended to up to 3 years for the young but they did not mention how young. Well I still can't see an actual age for India but many reports are saying the visa age proposed is very similar to the Australian visa. This is shown as up to 35 years old. To date free movement, in the way we are used to has neither been proposed by the UK or requested by India. India has for a long time not fulfilled it's potential, possibly because they were a very protectionist state which is now changing. They are now improving at an impressive rate and are widely expected to leapfrog all but 2 countries to become the third richest country in the world. Like many place there are many very poor people and many very wealthy people | |||
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"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit." Which is something India has not actually asked for. | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. Which is something India has not actually asked for. " shhhhh don’t tell them that let them stew a bit more lol | |||
"I don’t think it was really a case of Any job, it was continue to give the crappy jobs to whoever and keep the better jobs for the Brits. I think that was never made clear. That’s what I am sensing. Sorry but no no no that was not the rhetoric in support of Brexit. The whole misguided mantra was that once the EU folks went home, then Brits would have exclusive access to these jobs AND we would see wage increases as a result because greedy bosses wouldn’t be able to exploit cheap EU labour. However, if the “bosses” increase wages and therefore production costs, their product becomes more expensive and consumers may opt to buy less and switch to cheaper imports from countries we are doing trade deals with (in the case of agriculture New Zealand). It was another Brexit lie. Yes that was the idea, but in reality many Brits really don’t want to work in bad jobs, e.g. hospitality, care, veg picking, long hours, late nights, weekends etc. Again this is a feeling I get, most Brits want the good jobs, the higher paid 9-5 jobs. They want the competition from migrant workers eliminated in these better sectors. Which brexit has done. It was the same thing in the 50’s and 60’s when migration was needed to rebuilt the post war economy, the jobs in the undesirable sectors were readily taken by immigrants because Brits didn’t want to do them. When I hear people saying well we do want immigration, they mean only if it means these immigrants take on the jobs they refuse to do. The harsh reality is that many of the inequalities that now exist in this country are due to these practices. In the end, the root problem is a government who fosters and encourages this. Which this government does. I know people refuse to admit it publicly, but behind closed doors, this is the outcome they want." Thats it smh | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit." That's the majority of the population then | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then "As has been said before that is not even on the table so is a mute argument | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
As has been said before that is not even on the table so is a mute argument "What is a mute argument? | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then "About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority. | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority."Google it, over 50% voted leave | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority.
Google it, over 50% voted leave"Which is over 13%, if I am not mistaken. Ridiculous right, even cancelling mathematics. | |||
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"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority.
Google it, over 50% voted leave"I took the number of people who voted leave. And calculated that as a percentage of the population. Came out at about 26%. Don't need Google. | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority.
Google it, over 50% voted leave
I took the number of people who voted leave. And calculated that as a percentage of the population. Came out at about 26%. Don't need Google."Which was more than those that voted remain.... coz all the screaming remainers were in bed? Screaming it's not fair, democracy isn't fair | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority.
Google it, over 50% voted leave
I took the number of people who voted leave. And calculated that as a percentage of the population. Came out at about 26%. Don't need Google.
Which was more than those that voted remain.... coz all the screaming remainers were in bed? Screaming it's not fair, democracy isn't fair "Everything okay? Was just clarifying your error "That's the majority of the population then " when referring to people who voted for brexit.
Recent polls suggested upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Which is absolutely bonkers.
Who is screaming? | |||
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"Not a rehash of this again, it’s the only leg the ridiculous right can stand on, debate has moved on, we are here now and this government cannot deal with the responsibility that people have given it, plus the promised jobs are not being taken up British people because they are not the type of jobs they want to do." But just look who started the rehash ? Most have just moved on | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority.
Google it, over 50% voted leave
I took the number of people who voted leave. And calculated that as a percentage of the population. Came out at about 26%. Don't need Google.
Which was more than those that voted remain.... coz all the screaming remainers were in bed? Screaming it's not fair, democracy isn't fair
Everything okay?
Was just clarifying your error "That's the majority of the population then " when referring to people who voted for brexit.
Recent polls suggested upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Which is absolutely bonkers.
Who is screaming? "18%? Wow, that high | |||
"Not a rehash of this again, it’s the only leg the ridiculous right can stand on, debate has moved on, we are here now and this government cannot deal with the responsibility that people have given it, plus the promised jobs are not being taken up British people because they are not the type of jobs they want to do. But just look who started the rehash ? Most have just moved on " | |||
"18%? Wow, that high "the vocal minority | |||
"Was that not the Faragian mantra? In 2 announcements slipped out on Christmas Eve, ministers said British fruit & veg growers will be able to recruit overseas workers to help bring in harvests over next 3 yrs, while foreign care staff will be allowed into the country under a special visa from early in 2022. I guess that the British workers didn't want the jobs after all.. The prisons are full of potential farmhands " The prisons are full of actual criminals that society can do without | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority.
Google it, over 50% voted leave
I took the number of people who voted leave. And calculated that as a percentage of the population. Came out at about 26%. Don't need Google.
Which was more than those that voted remain.... coz all the screaming remainers were in bed? Screaming it's not fair, democracy isn't fair
Everything okay?
Was just clarifying your error "That's the majority of the population then " when referring to people who voted for brexit.
Recent polls suggested upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Which is absolutely bonkers.
Who is screaming? "Im ROFL I didnt vote, i stayed in bed along with all the other remainers that never voted... BUT im not crying about the fact i didnt get the result i wanted,, im not even sure what result i wanted....as i think it will be a long time before we truely know the answer | |||
"many people will be upset by india continuing to push for freedom of movement in the trade talks with Truss, particularly those who voted for brexit. That's the majority of the population then
About 26% of the population voted for brexit. Which is a minority, not a majority.
Google it, over 50% voted leave
I took the number of people who voted leave. And calculated that as a percentage of the population. Came out at about 26%. Don't need Google.
Which was more than those that voted remain.... coz all the screaming remainers were in bed? Screaming it's not fair, democracy isn't fair
Everything okay?
Was just clarifying your error "That's the majority of the population then " when referring to people who voted for brexit.
Recent polls suggested upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Which is absolutely bonkers.
Who is screaming?
Im ROFL I didnt vote, i stayed in bed along with all the other remainers that never voted... BUT im not crying about the fact i didnt get the result i wanted,, im not even sure what result i wanted....as i think it will be a long time before we truely know the answer "So what's going on? Spoiler alert. Brexit is shit for everyone except multi billionaires and US corporations. | |||
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"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair "Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society? Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in. | |||
"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair
Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society?
Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in. "Do you actually read the replies? Pick your self up and move on.... is not giving up! just writing post after post saying wankers, its shit, Tory fuck wits..... is just having a hissy fit and is doing nothing, its happened, now work from where we are.... yes hopefully to make it better! Or keep bitching that we should have turned left not right! | |||
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"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair
Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society?
Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in.
Do you actually read the replies? Pick your self up and move on.... is not giving up! just writing post after post saying wankers, its shit, Tory fuck wits..... is just having a hissy fit and is doing nothing, its happened, now work from where we are.... yes hopefully to make it better! Or keep bitching that we should have turned left not right!"With that abhorrent attitude no one will learn anything. And we will carry on downwards. I say we should strive for a fairer, less economically and socially divided society. No matter how much people like you shout and scream that we should all conform. I won't. | |||
"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair
Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society?
Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in.
Do you actually read the replies? Pick your self up and move on.... is not giving up! just writing post after post saying wankers, its shit, Tory fuck wits..... is just having a hissy fit and is doing nothing, its happened, now work from where we are.... yes hopefully to make it better! Or keep bitching that we should have turned left not right!
With that abhorrent attitude no one will learn anything. And we will carry on downwards.
I say we should strive for a fairer, less economically and socially divided society.
No matter how much people like you shout and scream that we should all conform. I won't.
"are you on drugs? under going therapy? or still having a hissy fit over brexit? You are conforming though, to a typical left wing screamer format! Im not sure how your reply makes any sense at all and i havent time to chat nonsense, bye | |||
"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair
Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society?
Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in.
Do you actually read the replies? Pick your self up and move on.... is not giving up! just writing post after post saying wankers, its shit, Tory fuck wits..... is just having a hissy fit and is doing nothing, its happened, now work from where we are.... yes hopefully to make it better! Or keep bitching that we should have turned left not right!
With that abhorrent attitude no one will learn anything. And we will carry on downwards.
I say we should strive for a fairer, less economically and socially divided society.
No matter how much people like you shout and scream that we should all conform. I won't.
are you on drugs? under going therapy? or still having a hissy fit over brexit?
You are conforming though, to a typical left wing screamer format! Im not sure how your reply makes any sense at all and i havent time to chat nonsense, bye "Weirdest interaction I've had in a long time. Anyway, all I was doing was correcting your mistake regarding the majority of the population voting for brexit. | |||
"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair
Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society?
Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in.
Do you actually read the replies? Pick your self up and move on.... is not giving up! just writing post after post saying wankers, its shit, Tory fuck wits..... is just having a hissy fit and is doing nothing, its happened, now work from where we are.... yes hopefully to make it better! Or keep bitching that we should have turned left not right!
With that abhorrent attitude no one will learn anything. And we will carry on downwards.
I say we should strive for a fairer, less economically and socially divided society.
No matter how much people like you shout and scream that we should all conform. I won't.
are you on drugs? under going therapy? or still having a hissy fit over brexit?
You are conforming though, to a typical left wing screamer format! Im not sure how your reply makes any sense at all and i havent time to chat nonsense, bye
Weirdest interaction I've had in a long time.
Anyway, all I was doing was correcting your mistake regarding the majority of the population voting for brexit." | |||
"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair
Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society?
Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in.
Do you actually read the replies? Pick your self up and move on.... is not giving up! just writing post after post saying wankers, its shit, Tory fuck wits..... is just having a hissy fit and is doing nothing, its happened, now work from where we are.... yes hopefully to make it better! Or keep bitching that we should have turned left not right!
With that abhorrent attitude no one will learn anything. And we will carry on downwards.
I say we should strive for a fairer, less economically and socially divided society.
No matter how much people like you shout and scream that we should all conform. I won't.
are you on drugs? under going therapy? or still having a hissy fit over brexit?
You are conforming though, to a typical left wing screamer format! Im not sure how your reply makes any sense at all and i havent time to chat nonsense, bye "pmsl  | |||
"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair
Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society?
Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in.
Do you actually read the replies? Pick your self up and move on.... is not giving up! just writing post after post saying wankers, its shit, Tory fuck wits..... is just having a hissy fit and is doing nothing, its happened, now work from where we are.... yes hopefully to make it better! Or keep bitching that we should have turned left not right!" | |||
"are some people still crying over spilt milk, bless.... pick yourselves up and move on! or stay locked in your bedroom screaming that its not fair
Why shouldn't people strive for a better life and society?
Giving up and taking the shit sandwich is exactly why the UK is in the state it's in.
Do you actually read the replies? Pick your self up and move on.... is not giving up! just writing post after post saying wankers, its shit, Tory fuck wits..... is just having a hissy fit and is doing nothing, its happened, now work from where we are.... yes hopefully to make it better! Or keep bitching that we should have turned left not right!
With that abhorrent attitude no one will learn anything. And we will carry on downwards.
I say we should strive for a fairer, less economically and socially divided society.
No matter how much people like you shout and scream that we should all conform. I won't.
are you on drugs? under going therapy? or still having a hissy fit over brexit?
You are conforming though, to a typical left wing screamer format! Im not sure how your reply makes any sense at all and i havent time to chat nonsense, bye "Lol raging. Raging but put a lovely smile/lol/finds someyhing hilarious to you know they are not really angry ...oh no. | |||
