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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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From the 1st January, HMRC requires all goods to be pre advised which means that every item imported from the EU needs to be registered on the UK import computer system, all the paperwork completed on both sides of the channel correctly and all items available to be checked by both exit and entry customs.
For example, you need to know the senders address, Rex number, EORI number, Excise number, your EORI number, the cost of transportation, the weight, type of packaging, commodity code, type of declaration (CPC) and of course any tax payable.
Why the 1st January - simply because the UK agreed to delay this for a year to allow Brexit to bed in before making things even more complicated.
These systems have already been in place for some items ie wines and spirits and tobacco and work but there are many delays due to incorrect paperwork.
Has anyone noticed any messages from the goverment to businesses to help them manage these changes?
Has the media mentioned anything or is this simply something that is expected to change without anyone noticing? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Not exactly as you have slanted things but, yes, goods arriving from the EU have entered the UK without checks and this will change from 1st January.
Yes, EU companies have had it easier (thanks to UK rules) as there have been checks on good entering the EU from the UK but not the other way round.
Why? Surely not to help the EU?
Given that the UK imports more from the EU than exports, this could be taken as a Brexit win and a hit to EU exporters who may decide that things are too complicated and just fold, increase prices to cover addition al costs or stop exporting to the UK.
On the other hand, it may be like sending back all those migrants to their own countries then noticing that there were labour shortages.
Yes - perhaps another Brexit win and damage to the EU.
With all the new trade deals from around the World - the UK probably does not need to import from the EU anyway so again, another Brexit win.
Hope that all the UK businesses are prepared for this... |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start."
So a negative incentive to trade |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade"
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade"
Extra costs to British people. 
Although I would like to hear more from people who still think Brexit is a good idea.  |
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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago
blackpool/preston/normandy france |
Have to agree with the previous post. Here in France the Douane have been delaying parcels from the UK and opening them to check the contents despite there being customs declaration forms on the outside of the parcel. One tracked package was delayed in France for 6 weeks held allegedly awaiting customs clearance |
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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago
London |
Not just the EU.
Sent 2 identical parcels to 2 different Canadian companies.
1 delivered in 4 days, the other 4 weeks sitting waiting for customs clearance. Identical paperwork. 
Also had service parts from assorted manufacturers either delayed or delivered with additional costs from the EU due to their paperwork being wrong.
Brexits just a shit show. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine."
I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was. |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was. "
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
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Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll? |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?"
just here to troll you hate the nail on the head mate |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was."
If I remember correctly, the EU offered the UK a bedding in period which the UK refused.
Rather than blame Macron for making it harder when people like Macron tried to make it easier, blame Johnson's puppet masters the ERG.
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?"
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?"
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended. "
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive  |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive "
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff. "
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality "
it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol |
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol"
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious |
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
""I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was."
If I remember correctly, the EU offered the UK a bedding in period which the UK refused.
Rather than blame Macron for making it harder when people like Macron tried to make it easier, blame Johnson's puppet masters the ERG.
"
Not the full picture you are giving though is it? that bedding in that you are talking about still saw the uk tied to the eu and the goal was to leave.
Macron is part of the fault but most of the fault is down to the eu commissioners and only confirms my reason for leaving, they are more interested in their dream than the actual people of the eu otherwise they would have tried to make it as easy as possible for trade to continue.They seem to have no problem with other countries that adhere to the same rules and standards yet that did not apply to the uk from one minute past midnight when we left although we had not changed any rules or standards.Now if the eu was acting in the peoples interest instead of their own ideology why was that?
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious "
you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious "
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious What part of it is making your life so shit mate to be constantly feeling like that?"
My life is amazing, i am very lucky , that doesn’t stop Brexit from being a massive turd, your free to list all the benefits to you if you like though |
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?"
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it |
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""I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was."
If I remember correctly, the EU offered the UK a bedding in period which the UK refused.
Rather than blame Macron for making it harder when people like Macron tried to make it easier, blame Johnson's puppet masters the ERG.
Not the full picture you are giving though is it? that bedding in that you are talking about still saw the uk tied to the eu and the goal was to leave.
Macron is part of the fault but most of the fault is down to the eu commissioners and only confirms my reason for leaving, they are more interested in their dream than the actual people of the eu otherwise they would have tried to make it as easy as possible for trade to continue.They seem to have no problem with other countries that adhere to the same rules and standards yet that did not apply to the uk from one minute past midnight when we left although we had not changed any rules or standards.Now if the eu was acting in the peoples interest instead of their own ideology why was that?
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?"
We can get over brexit when it's not shit and we get all the bullshit that the leave campaigns promised. How about that? Ha.
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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago
blackpool/preston/normandy france |
Don't worry folks. The absolutely wonderful Liz Truss is in charge now to negotiate things with the EU and put right everything that is wrong, as she thinks she is the greatest negotiator. If you believe that you will believe anything |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it "
My life has not changed one bit apart from now getting stamps in my nice blue passport and happy thoughts because im no longer paying for those freeloaders in brussels to take the piss.The question was what is making you feel so shit mate as for a long time you have been posting the same thing on nearly every thread that mentions brexit but never go into any detail why you feel that way. |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it My life has not changed one bit apart from now getting stamps in my nice blue passport and happy thoughts because im no longer paying for those freeloaders in brussels to take the piss.The question was what is making you feel so shit mate as for a long time you have been posting the same thing on nearly every thread that mentions brexit but never go into any detail why you feel that way."
Lol. "Blue passports".
Love it.
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it My life has not changed one bit apart from now getting stamps in my nice blue passport and happy thoughts because im no longer paying for those freeloaders in brussels to take the piss.The question was what is making you feel so shit mate as for a long time you have been posting the same thing on nearly every thread that mentions brexit but never go into any detail why you feel that way."
Brexit is a shit show, it’s been an absolute disaster since the day we voted to leave, no benefits , unless you can make a few . So, what was making you feel so shit whilst we were in the EU? Why do you start anti EU threads ? Why do you still criticise the EU even though we have left? What makes you feel this way?  |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it "
it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ? |
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it My life has not changed one bit apart from now getting stamps in my nice blue passport and happy thoughts because im no longer paying for those freeloaders in brussels to take the piss.The question was what is making you feel so shit mate as for a long time you have been posting the same thing on nearly every thread that mentions brexit but never go into any detail why you feel that way.
Lol. "Blue passports".
Love it.
"
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?"
I don’t think Brexit can be ‘less shit’ but I guess this is what leave voters wanted and don’t really care about the consequences. Maybe we can vote in a competent PM and government who can help get better trade deals and find a better solution to working with the EU. |
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it My life has not changed one bit apart from now getting stamps in my nice blue passport and happy thoughts because im no longer paying for those freeloaders in brussels to take the piss.The question was what is making you feel so shit mate as for a long time you have been posting the same thing on nearly every thread that mentions brexit but never go into any detail why you feel that way.
Brexit is a shit show, it’s been an absolute disaster since the day we voted to leave, no benefits , unless you can make a few . So, what was making you feel so shit whilst we were in the EU? Why do you start anti EU threads ? Why do you still criticise the EU even though we have left? What makes you feel this way? "
Who has started anti eu threads? did i feel so shit whilst in the eu? news to me .Its you who constantly go on about it being a shit show and a total disaster im just interested as to how it has affected you to make you feel that way but if you dont care to tell thats up to you but im not going on your usual merry go round of you asking the opposite of what i ask you im too old for the playground these days and have more important stuff to do have fun. |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?"
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
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over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it My life has not changed one bit apart from now getting stamps in my nice blue passport and happy thoughts because im no longer paying for those freeloaders in brussels to take the piss.The question was what is making you feel so shit mate as for a long time you have been posting the same thing on nearly every thread that mentions brexit but never go into any detail why you feel that way.
Brexit is a shit show, it’s been an absolute disaster since the day we voted to leave, no benefits , unless you can make a few . So, what was making you feel so shit whilst we were in the EU? Why do you start anti EU threads ? Why do you still criticise the EU even though we have left? What makes you feel this way? Who has started anti eu threads? did i feel so shit whilst in the eu? news to me .Its you who constantly go on about it being a shit show and a total disaster im just interested as to how it has affected you to make you feel that way but if you dont care to tell thats up to you but im not going on your usual merry go round of you asking the opposite of what i ask you im too old for the playground these days and have more important stuff to do have fun. "
Why do you comment on my posts then? Before we officially left the EU any criticise about Brexit was met with ‘project fear’ or ‘your speculating ‘ now Brexit is a reality we can all see that it is a complete and utter turd, NI is one example, loss in trade is another , your free to list the benefits |
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"From the 1st January, HMRC requires all goods to be pre advised which means that every item imported from the EU needs to be registered on the UK import computer system, all the paperwork completed on both sides of the channel correctly and all items available to be checked by both exit and entry customs.
For example, you need to know the senders address, Rex number, EORI number, Excise number, your EORI number, the cost of transportation, the weight, type of packaging, commodity code, type of declaration (CPC) and of course any tax payable.
Why the 1st January - simply because the UK agreed to delay this for a year to allow Brexit to bed in before making things even more complicated.
These systems have already been in place for some items ie wines and spirits and tobacco and work but there are many delays due to incorrect paperwork.
Has anyone noticed any messages from the goverment to businesses to help them manage these changes?
Has the media mentioned anything or is this simply something that is expected to change without anyone noticing?"
There has been a little on the media side of things, I have heard adverts on the main radio stations whilst driving but I do not spend a great deal of time watching TV so can't comment there. There is information available to companies on the government websites associated with the changes you mention, although these have been known for a while now to say the least and as a company we are prepared for the changes. Some of the things are common place if you deal with other countries outside the EU anyway to be fair so was no big thing to us being a business that exports and imports on a global scale already. |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing?"
I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here "
funny that, more jobs than ever and paying higher wages to fill them i guess the remain side lied to us all so as to vote the way they wanted.Its a good job the majority were not taken in by it. |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here "
Yes there was a study about the impact of covid. Nearly half as damaging to the economy as Brexit.
ONS report.
Excellent work!
Haha.
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here funny that, more jobs than ever and paying higher wages to fill them i guess the remain side lied to us all so as to vote the way they wanted.Its a good job the majority were not taken in by it. "
So no difference, or magic high paid jobs?
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was. "
Why carry on “for a while” if Britain was adamant that it did not want any transitional extension before Britain started to diverge from EU rules?
You are literally blaming the EU for things that the U.K. Government insisted were red lines.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here "
Brexit was always going to be (and will be) an initial shock followed by a slow motion and never ending train crash.
It is ludicrous to say that Brexit is a success because it wasn’t as bad as some Remainers said it would have been.
The Governments own analysis (OBR) has predicted that Brexit will have twice the impact on the economy that Covid has had. Soon that any way you want but if the Brexit Governments own analysis is projecting such negativity - where is the upside? What was the point?
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here
Brexit was always going to be (and will be) an initial shock followed by a slow motion and never ending train crash.
It is ludicrous to say that Brexit is a success because it wasn’t as bad as some Remainers said it would have been.
The Governments own analysis (OBR) has predicted that Brexit will have twice the impact on the economy that Covid has had. Soon that any way you want but if the Brexit Governments own analysis is projecting such negativity - where is the upside? What was the point?
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here
Brexit was always going to be (and will be) an initial shock followed by a slow motion and never ending train crash.
It is ludicrous to say that Brexit is a success because it wasn’t as bad as some Remainers said it would have been.
The Governments own analysis (OBR) has predicted that Brexit will have twice the impact on the economy that Covid has had. Soon that any way you want but if the Brexit Governments own analysis is projecting such negativity - where is the upside? What was the point?
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Personally I find the whole thing hilarious, stay or go was never going to make a massive difference in the grander scheme of things. Of course there are advantages and disadvantages either way. However, in a global arena it won't make a huge difference.
I spent 20 years bouncing around Europe and loved every minute. However, people you cite social science issues as a justification to stay, for example "I work with the homeless...". Clearly they have never been to anywhere in Europe off the tourist trail. I would personally much prefer to be homeless in the UK than I would in cetain parts of Europe. Those who cite environmental reasons for staying in clearly only follow the party line. Those who cite safety as a reason for staying clearly don't follow any complex news.
Now I fully expect to receive a load of "kipper" abuse for this, but I voted to "STAY". The reality of staying isn't what most people think, it would have been a multi generational slog to try and maintain what the UK has and a monumental battle to assist other nations within Europe achive simple things which we consider rights.
I actually can't believe I rejoined this site last week and now I'm commenting on politics! BLAH BLAH BLAH
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here
Brexit was always going to be (and will be) an initial shock followed by a slow motion and never ending train crash.
It is ludicrous to say that Brexit is a success because it wasn’t as bad as some Remainers said it would have been.
The Governments own analysis (OBR) has predicted that Brexit will have twice the impact on the economy that Covid has had. Soon that any way you want but if the Brexit Governments own analysis is projecting such negativity - where is the upside? What was the point?
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who says it’s a success we all know it’s early days it’s more a marathon than a sprint I’d of thought lol and it was you who went into meltdown with your predictions off doom remember your the flights will be grounded there was quite a few of yous saying things like that that never happened |
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"People always saying they got over leaving long ago are still moaning about it  "
We can get over it when brexit stops being shit and we get what the leavers promised us.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Why carry on “for a while” if Britain was adamant that it did not want any transitional extension before Britain started to diverge from EU rules?
You are literally blaming the EU for things that the U.K. Government insisted were red lines.
You normally have at least an arguable opinion on Brexit matters, but you are miles out on this one."
you know as well as i do what the eu proposed was going to cost the uk and was not leaving that was never going to happen but i would have thought anyone with an ounce of sense would see that nothing changed at midnight not uk soil, waters or rules and if they were acting for businesses in the eu instead of their own ideology they would have applied the same conditions that they do to other countries outside the eu under compliances.
You may not like to admit it but it has been the eu all along who have been bitter about the uk leaving and certain people from the eu were not shy in saying we must punish them. It could have been done much more smoothly if they had concidered the people they represent rather than themselves. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Why carry on “for a while” if Britain was adamant that it did not want any transitional extension before Britain started to diverge from EU rules?
You are literally blaming the EU for things that the U.K. Government insisted were red lines.
You normally have at least an arguable opinion on Brexit matters, but you are miles out on this one.you know as well as i do what the eu proposed was going to cost the uk and was not leaving that was never going to happen but i would have thought anyone with an ounce of sense would see that nothing changed at midnight not uk soil, waters or rules and if they were acting for businesses in the eu instead of their own ideology they would have applied the same conditions that they do to other countries outside the eu under compliances.
You may not like to admit it but it has been the eu all along who have been bitter about the uk leaving and certain people from the eu were not shy in saying we must punish them. It could have been done much more smoothly if they had concidered the people they represent rather than themselves."
You summed this up beautifully . If Boris and his band of lying Brexiteers has considered the people they represent rather than themselves then this mess could have been handled so much better. The EU offered a delay but “Get Brexit done” and “oven ready” was the only unconsidered, immature, simplistic response.
We wanted to leave and to complain that they stick by the rules we wanted is just ridiculous denial in the extreme.
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Why carry on “for a while” if Britain was adamant that it did not want any transitional extension before Britain started to diverge from EU rules?
You are literally blaming the EU for things that the U.K. Government insisted were red lines.
You normally have at least an arguable opinion on Brexit matters, but you are miles out on this one.you know as well as i do what the eu proposed was going to cost the uk and was not leaving that was never going to happen but i would have thought anyone with an ounce of sense would see that nothing changed at midnight not uk soil, waters or rules and if they were acting for businesses in the eu instead of their own ideology they would have applied the same conditions that they do to other countries outside the eu under compliances.
You may not like to admit it but it has been the eu all along who have been bitter about the uk leaving and certain people from the eu were not shy in saying we must punish them. It could have been done much more smoothly if they had concidered the people they represent rather than themselves.
You summed this up beautifully . If Boris and his band of lying Brexiteers has considered the people they represent rather than themselves then this mess could have been handled so much better. The EU offered a delay but “Get Brexit done” and “oven ready” was the only unconsidered, immature, simplistic response.
We wanted to leave and to complain that they stick by the rules we wanted is just ridiculous denial in the extreme.
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It's pretty funny blaming the EU.
From the start.
1. Don't vote for brexit it will be shit.
Leaver campaign and British media media "nope that's project fear, there will be no downside to brexit".
2. People vote for brexit.
3. Brexit is shit.
People who still think brexit is a good idea: "It's the EUs fault, they should have made it easy for us".
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here
Brexit was always going to be (and will be) an initial shock followed by a slow motion and never ending train crash.
It is ludicrous to say that Brexit is a success because it wasn’t as bad as some Remainers said it would have been.
The Governments own analysis (OBR) has predicted that Brexit will have twice the impact on the economy that Covid has had. Soon that any way you want but if the Brexit Governments own analysis is projecting such negativity - where is the upside? What was the point?
who says it’s a success we all know it’s early days it’s more a marathon than a sprint I’d of thought lol and it was you who went into meltdown with your predictions off doom remember your the flights will be grounded there was quite a few of yous saying things like that that never happened "
Do you know why flights were not grounded, but why Airlines like Ryanair have moved their centres of operations and stock market listings out of the U.K. ?
I get it that Brexit supporters can’t deal with details but the reason that flights were not grounded is because the U.K. caved on the Open skies deal. The reason that Ryanair has de-listed in London is to protect itself from EU ownership regulations.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Why carry on “for a while” if Britain was adamant that it did not want any transitional extension before Britain started to diverge from EU rules?
You are literally blaming the EU for things that the U.K. Government insisted were red lines.
You normally have at least an arguable opinion on Brexit matters, but you are miles out on this one.you know as well as i do what the eu proposed was going to cost the uk and was not leaving that was never going to happen but i would have thought anyone with an ounce of sense would see that nothing changed at midnight not uk soil, waters or rules and if they were acting for businesses in the eu instead of their own ideology they would have applied the same conditions that they do to other countries outside the eu under compliances.
You may not like to admit it but it has been the eu all along who have been bitter about the uk leaving and certain people from the eu were not shy in saying we must punish them. It could have been done much more smoothly if they had concidered the people they represent rather than themselves."
I can’t believe you are even writing this? Revisionism in action.
The U.K. demanded divergence, the U.K. demanded a clean break, the U.K. demanded no more alignment.
Why would the EU then consider that these words were anything but the truth?
Were they supposed to say that we know you don’t really mean it so we will keep things as they are?
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"People always saying they got over leaving long ago are still moaning about it "
Yes arguing Brexit now is a bit like being a covidioit today. There’s feck all ghat can be done to reverse it. So best get on and make the most of it. What does wasting time with some no marks on a swingers forum achieve?
sweet Fuck All is the answer.
Yes there see some things that are crap.
But some other things have improved.
Can’t please all of the people all fo the time.
We/I(mr) voted remain - and still think leaving was ultimately a mistake.
But now the decision is made AND implemented - head down, knuckle down and make not work.
So far have tripled income since pre Brexit days. So happy days! One advantage has been a scarcity of highly skilled and experienced in my field. So rates have gone through the roof! Covid has helped too.
I’ll put up with a blue passport and a queue at the airport for that any day!
Merry Christmas!
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"People always saying they got over leaving long ago are still moaning about it
Yes arguing Brexit now is a bit like being a covidioit today. There’s feck all ghat can be done to reverse it. So best get on and make the most of it. What does wasting time with some no marks on a swingers forum achieve?
sweet Fuck All is the answer.
Yes there see some things that are crap.
But some other things have improved.
Can’t please all of the people all fo the time.
We/I(mr) voted remain - and still think leaving was ultimately a mistake.
But now the decision is made AND implemented - head down, knuckle down and make not work.
So far have tripled income since pre Brexit days. So happy days! One advantage has been a scarcity of highly skilled and experienced in my field. So rates have gone through the roof! Covid has helped too.
I’ll put up with a blue passport and a queue at the airport for that any day!
Merry Christmas!
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"People always saying they got over leaving long ago are still moaning about it
Yes arguing Brexit now is a bit like being a covidioit today. There’s feck all ghat can be done to reverse it. So best get on and make the most of it. What does wasting time with some no marks on a swingers forum achieve?
sweet Fuck All is the answer.
Yes there see some things that are crap.
But some other things have improved.
Can’t please all of the people all fo the time.
We/I(mr) voted remain - and still think leaving was ultimately a mistake.
But now the decision is made AND implemented - head down, knuckle down and make not work.
So far have tripled income since pre Brexit days. So happy days! One advantage has been a scarcity of highly skilled and experienced in my field. So rates have gone through the roof! Covid has helped too.
I’ll put up with a blue passport and a queue at the airport for that any day!
Merry Christmas!
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Im pleased for you genuinely.
There a few other winners which is great such as customs agents, however they are just a cost to exports and imports.. The the loss in GDP expected will equate to a tax revenue loss off between £ 26 and £42 Billion assuming a conservative 50/50 split. Top end is 52-84 Bullion.
That’s got to be paid by someone just for us to stand still and it won’t be the rich backers of Brexit. Their money will continue to grow offshore. Good job they avoided EU tax reform proposals.
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over a year ago
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Financial Times leads with this story ...
Businesses struggle to prepare for UK’s post-Brexit import controls
https://www.ft.com/content/eabd3113-c669-4792-95cf-b5ad0ea6da3b
Of course, there is no need to believe the FT - many on here have businesses which have seen exponential growth and this is only one (of many) newspapers reporting this.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"From the 1st January, HMRC requires all goods to be pre advised which means that every item imported from the EU needs to be registered on the UK import computer system, all the paperwork completed on both sides of the channel correctly and all items available to be checked by both exit and entry customs.
For example, you need to know the senders address, Rex number, EORI number, Excise number, your EORI number, the cost of transportation, the weight, type of packaging, commodity code, type of declaration (CPC) and of course any tax payable.
Why the 1st January - simply because the UK agreed to delay this for a year to allow Brexit to bed in before making things even more complicated.
These systems have already been in place for some items ie wines and spirits and tobacco and work but there are many delays due to incorrect paperwork.
Has anyone noticed any messages from the goverment to businesses to help them manage these changes?
Has the media mentioned anything or is this simply something that is expected to change without anyone noticing?"
There was a piece on the BBC the other day that mentioned this change. They said that imports from the EU have reduced much more than exports to the EU. They said this was odd as it has been exporting to the EU that has changed not importing. They think the new rules may reduce EU imports further but had no explanation for why they have suffered so badly. They did mention that more is being supplied locally by UK companies and imported good are shifting to non EU places. I think we are still are buying more from the EU than elsewhere but even before these new changes that is shifting to other areas |
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"This has happened to goods going to the eu from day one of brexit so im sure uk companies are up to speed with it after a year,its eu companies exporting to the uk who have had a grace period and are now going to experience the same problems that the uk did at the start.
So a negative incentive to trade
More than likely.
As I mentioned, this has been delayed a year by the UK goverment - it could have been implemented last year.
Surely the UK government did not delay it to help the EU!
Since Brexit, here in France, we see less British goods available in supermarkets.
We now buy Irish Angus beef (I had never seen this prior to Brexit), Norwegian salmon etc. Whisky is more expensive (but I still buy it) as are other luxury goods from the UK.
Perhaps good for UK manufacturers as they may well have less competition from elsewhere. There are plenty of lovely cheeses made in the UK without needing to buy French cheese - and wine is the same.
Essentially this is just a reset and as long as businesses are prepared for it, it will be fine. I would think the uk did it to ease the problems of undoing 47 years of being under eu rules which benefited both sides of the channel and why not its just trade.
The eu was always going to impose every rule from day one as their goal was to make it as hard as possible to discourage any other country of ever thinking about leaving eg did out waters suddenly become dirty the day we left causing problems for the fishermen or did the British soil suddenly become toxic causing all sorts of problems for a variety of people? the answer is of course no. It would have been very easy for the eu to carry on for a while (as we still had all the eu rules) to ease trade from both sides until Britain started changing eu rules.
I know the usual replies will be the uk left why should the eu do that? and my answer is for the good of citizens both sides of the channel and ny reasonable person would see that unfortunately there were people like macron who thought if they make it as hard as possible the uk would want to rejoin after 6 months how wrong he was.
Lol
Amazing.
So the argument is. Things were good in the EU. Things are crap now, and the EU should sort out the mess caused by Brexit.
More please.
Obviously you should read it again.Why bother posting if you cannot have a serious debate or are you just here to troll?
Just here for the brexit banter.
I enjoy people trying to twist and turn things to try to make it sound like brexit is a good idea.
No offence intended.
You have to be careful, some of the Brexit ‘die hards’ can be a bit tetchy when you mention just how shit Brexit is, they can be very defensive
Lol
It's all banter.
People should expect light hearted fun to be made if they post some proper out-there stuff.
I agree, but if you have been fooled into thinking Brexit is still a good idea I can see why it might cause anger and confusion, it will take time for some of them to recover and accept reality it’s taking you some time to recover from us leaving mate you have t got long for your prediction bud lol
I ‘got over ‘ leaving ages ago, I just wish Brecht wasn’t so shit, yes , not long left on my prediction, I am glad your taking it so serious you will never get over it mare and serious so what do you want me to do ?what do you do ?
I ‘got over it ‘ ages ago, I think we should try and concentrate and making Brexit ‘less shit’ maybe you can list a few benefits, hue has your life improved ? You won (whatever that means) time to get on with it it asnt changed one bit same as yours mate I predicted it wouldn’t years ago please tell me how we on here can make brexit less shit as you put it you say you work with the homeless and volunteer in soup kitchens as them poor buggers lives changed since brexit ?
If I remember right, you said you were in favour of brexit (maybe I got you confused with someone else). But you didn't think it would make any difference. And now you're suggesting that some how you personally are immune to the downturn in the economy.
Something doesn't quite make sense. What am I missing? I am in favour of brexit the economy lol have you heard of covid it’s affecting the world I’m still waiting to see these flights grounded troops on the streets medicine shortages food shortages half a million job losses lol like I said nothings changed as I predicted unlike the predictions on here
Brexit was always going to be (and will be) an initial shock followed by a slow motion and never ending train crash.
It is ludicrous to say that Brexit is a success because it wasn’t as bad as some Remainers said it would have been.
The Governments own analysis (OBR) has predicted that Brexit will have twice the impact on the economy that Covid has had. Soon that any way you want but if the Brexit Governments own analysis is projecting such negativity - where is the upside? What was the point?
who says it’s a success we all know it’s early days it’s more a marathon than a sprint I’d of thought lol and it was you who went into meltdown with your predictions off doom remember your the flights will be grounded there was quite a few of yous saying things like that that never happened
Do you know why flights were not grounded, but why Airlines like Ryanair have moved their centres of operations and stock market listings out of the U.K. ?
I get it that Brexit supporters can’t deal with details but the reason that flights were not grounded is because the U.K. caved on the Open skies deal. The reason that Ryanair has de-listed in London is to protect itself from EU ownership regulations.
And you think this is a win?"
so it was a problem that was sorted then so the predictions where a bit early then best wait a bit in future I’m still waiting to see the troops on the streets and medicine food fuel shortages and the job losses |
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"Financial Times leads with this story ...
Businesses struggle to prepare for UK’s post-Brexit import controls
https://www.ft.com/content/eabd3113-c669-4792-95cf-b5ad0ea6da3b
Of course, there is no need to believe the FT - many on here have businesses which have seen exponential growth and this is only one (of many) newspapers reporting this.
Never mind, we knew what we voted for - happy fish and Spaniards wasn't it?"
You are right there, I will believe my own businesses stats and what I can see with my own eyes, not what the media says as personally I find the two are quite away apart to suit whatever there bias is, the fts bias is well known. Some small businesses will struggle maybe but many off us already deal with the whole world and not just the EU so they will have no problem adapting, just like us. Why do you seem to want to just start argumentative posts around brexit if I may ask? You seem to start a couple each day with whatever stupid story you find in the media, what is the point you are trying to prove? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"From the 1st January, HMRC requires all goods to be pre advised which means that every item imported from the EU needs to be registered on the UK import computer system, all the paperwork completed on both sides of the channel correctly and all items available to be checked by both exit and entry customs.
For example, you need to know the senders address, Rex number, EORI number, Excise number, your EORI number, the cost of transportation, the weight, type of packaging, commodity code, type of declaration (CPC) and of course any tax payable.
Why the 1st January - simply because the UK agreed to delay this for a year to allow Brexit to bed in before making things even more complicated.
These systems have already been in place for some items ie wines and spirits and tobacco and work but there are many delays due to incorrect paperwork.
Has anyone noticed any messages from the goverment to businesses to help them manage these changes?
Has the media mentioned anything or is this simply something that is expected to change without anyone noticing?
There was a piece on the BBC the other day that mentioned this change. They said that imports from the EU have reduced much more than exports to the EU. They said this was odd as it has been exporting to the EU that has changed not importing. They think the new rules may reduce EU imports further but had no explanation for why they have suffered so badly. They did mention that more is being supplied locally by UK companies and imported good are shifting to non EU places. I think we are still are buying more from the EU than elsewhere but even before these new changes that is shifting to other areas"
The stats are skewered by the Irish border as internal U.K. / NI . trade is now registered as exports to “others” which is showing increase trade with others along with larger numbers of imported high value goods such as Tesla’s. So most of the increase is not positive.
Transport costs will put off UK importers of goods and additionally transport costs will ultimately affect exports.
We seem to think the trade with Europe is “they export to us more than we do to them so they need us more”. They are 27 countries and our share of each countries export market is below 5% in all cases except Ireland ( 12 % goods, 6% services )
To avoid the hassle it may be the EU exporters think we are not worth the trouble and will increase trade within the EU as it’s easier. The new import rules will increase costs further so again negative.
Either way we will be paying more than we would have done without Brexit.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"From the 1st January, HMRC requires all goods to be pre advised which means that every item imported from the EU needs to be registered on the UK import computer system, all the paperwork completed on both sides of the channel correctly and all items available to be checked by both exit and entry customs.
For example, you need to know the senders address, Rex number, EORI number, Excise number, your EORI number, the cost of transportation, the weight, type of packaging, commodity code, type of declaration (CPC) and of course any tax payable.
Why the 1st January - simply because the UK agreed to delay this for a year to allow Brexit to bed in before making things even more complicated.
These systems have already been in place for some items ie wines and spirits and tobacco and work but there are many delays due to incorrect paperwork.
Has anyone noticed any messages from the goverment to businesses to help them manage these changes?
Has the media mentioned anything or is this simply something that is expected to change without anyone noticing?
There was a piece on the BBC the other day that mentioned this change. They said that imports from the EU have reduced much more than exports to the EU. They said this was odd as it has been exporting to the EU that has changed not importing. They think the new rules may reduce EU imports further but had no explanation for why they have suffered so badly. They did mention that more is being supplied locally by UK companies and imported good are shifting to non EU places. I think we are still are buying more from the EU than elsewhere but even before these new changes that is shifting to other areas
The stats are skewered by the Irish border as internal U.K. / NI . trade is now registered as exports to “others” which is showing increase trade with others along with larger numbers of imported high value goods such as Tesla’s. So most of the increase is not positive.
Transport costs will put off UK importers of goods and additionally transport costs will ultimately affect exports.
We seem to think the trade with Europe is “they export to us more than we do to them so they need us more”. They are 27 countries and our share of each countries export market is below 5% in all cases except Ireland ( 12 % goods, 6% services )
To avoid the hassle it may be the EU exporters think we are not worth the trouble and will increase trade within the EU as it’s easier. The new import rules will increase costs further so again negative.
Either way we will be paying more than we would have done without Brexit.
But what do I know "
The report person said it was imports that have dropped that was baffling them as the checks had not been implemented yet. This of course is also the case for UK/ NI trade and done on month to month as well as yearly to mitigate the effects of the new way of calculating. I'm not saying this is good or bad just what the BBC person reported. I would have thought more being sourced in the UK was good but maybe not.on the tv news today was a piece where the reporters went to Europe to ask business what they think of the new checks and selling to the UK. It seemed quite similar to here in that medium and big companies are confident but smaller ones are concerned. They all agree the UK is an extremely important customer and that they will do their best with the new checks. The main worry was it makes them less competitive |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"From the 1st January, HMRC requires all goods to be pre advised which means that every item imported from the EU needs to be registered on the UK import computer system, all the paperwork completed on both sides of the channel correctly and all items available to be checked by both exit and entry customs.
For example, you need to know the senders address, Rex number, EORI number, Excise number, your EORI number, the cost of transportation, the weight, type of packaging, commodity code, type of declaration (CPC) and of course any tax payable.
Why the 1st January - simply because the UK agreed to delay this for a year to allow Brexit to bed in before making things even more complicated.
These systems have already been in place for some items ie wines and spirits and tobacco and work but there are many delays due to incorrect paperwork.
Has anyone noticed any messages from the goverment to businesses to help them manage these changes?
Has the media mentioned anything or is this simply something that is expected to change without anyone noticing?
There was a piece on the BBC the other day that mentioned this change. They said that imports from the EU have reduced much more than exports to the EU. They said this was odd as it has been exporting to the EU that has changed not importing. They think the new rules may reduce EU imports further but had no explanation for why they have suffered so badly. They did mention that more is being supplied locally by UK companies and imported good are shifting to non EU places. I think we are still are buying more from the EU than elsewhere but even before these new changes that is shifting to other areas
The stats are skewered by the Irish border as internal U.K. / NI . trade is now registered as exports to “others” which is showing increase trade with others along with larger numbers of imported high value goods such as Tesla’s. So most of the increase is not positive.
Transport costs will put off UK importers of goods and additionally transport costs will ultimately affect exports.
We seem to think the trade with Europe is “they export to us more than we do to them so they need us more”. They are 27 countries and our share of each countries export market is below 5% in all cases except Ireland ( 12 % goods, 6% services )
To avoid the hassle it may be the EU exporters think we are not worth the trouble and will increase trade within the EU as it’s easier. The new import rules will increase costs further so again negative.
Either way we will be paying more than we would have done without Brexit.
But what do I know
The report person said it was imports that have dropped that was baffling them as the checks had not been implemented yet. This of course is also the case for UK/ NI trade and done on month to month as well as yearly to mitigate the effects of the new way of calculating. I'm not saying this is good or bad just what the BBC person reported. I would have thought more being sourced in the UK was good but maybe not.on the tv news today was a piece where the reporters went to Europe to ask business what they think of the new checks and selling to the UK. It seemed quite similar to here in that medium and big companies are confident but smaller ones are concerned. They all agree the UK is an extremely important customer and that they will do their best with the new checks. The main worry was it makes them less competitive"
Most larger business have traded outside of the EU for years so we’re well aware of how it works. Smaller companies had a steep leaning curve if the could find a customs broker. Big and small business alike will be affected by the new rules about to be implemented.
All businesses trading with the EU were affected by the introduction of the first rules on exports.
The delays and issues with the introduction of initial Brexit customs rules were, firstly the processes were not being applied the same as other non EU destinations and secondly a total lack of staff and infrastructure in place in the UK to cope.
All of our delays were caused by U.K. problems not with the EU. Remember our biggest export trading partner excluding Ireland is Germany and we account for less than 5 % of their volume of imports so their customs are well able to cope as are all the other countries . The impact on us is far greater due to our trading volumes affected by the changes.
The same will be true of the new import checks .
The additional costs brought by Brexit will not go away and they put the U.K. at a constant disadvantage along with making others think twice about trading with us Put simply they don’t want the hassle. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"From the 1st January, HMRC requires all goods to be pre advised which means that every item imported from the EU needs to be registered on the UK import computer system, all the paperwork completed on both sides of the channel correctly and all items available to be checked by both exit and entry customs.
For example, you need to know the senders address, Rex number, EORI number, Excise number, your EORI number, the cost of transportation, the weight, type of packaging, commodity code, type of declaration (CPC) and of course any tax payable.
Why the 1st January - simply because the UK agreed to delay this for a year to allow Brexit to bed in before making things even more complicated.
These systems have already been in place for some items ie wines and spirits and tobacco and work but there are many delays due to incorrect paperwork.
Has anyone noticed any messages from the goverment to businesses to help them manage these changes?
Has the media mentioned anything or is this simply something that is expected to change without anyone noticing?
There was a piece on the BBC the other day that mentioned this change. They said that imports from the EU have reduced much more than exports to the EU. They said this was odd as it has been exporting to the EU that has changed not importing. They think the new rules may reduce EU imports further but had no explanation for why they have suffered so badly. They did mention that more is being supplied locally by UK companies and imported good are shifting to non EU places. I think we are still are buying more from the EU than elsewhere but even before these new changes that is shifting to other areas
The stats are skewered by the Irish border as internal U.K. / NI . trade is now registered as exports to “others” which is showing increase trade with others along with larger numbers of imported high value goods such as Tesla’s. So most of the increase is not positive.
Transport costs will put off UK importers of goods and additionally transport costs will ultimately affect exports.
We seem to think the trade with Europe is “they export to us more than we do to them so they need us more”. They are 27 countries and our share of each countries export market is below 5% in all cases except Ireland ( 12 % goods, 6% services )
To avoid the hassle it may be the EU exporters think we are not worth the trouble and will increase trade within the EU as it’s easier. The new import rules will increase costs further so again negative.
Either way we will be paying more than we would have done without Brexit.
But what do I know
The report person said it was imports that have dropped that was baffling them as the checks had not been implemented yet. This of course is also the case for UK/ NI trade and done on month to month as well as yearly to mitigate the effects of the new way of calculating. I'm not saying this is good or bad just what the BBC person reported. I would have thought more being sourced in the UK was good but maybe not.on the tv news today was a piece where the reporters went to Europe to ask business what they think of the new checks and selling to the UK. It seemed quite similar to here in that medium and big companies are confident but smaller ones are concerned. They all agree the UK is an extremely important customer and that they will do their best with the new checks. The main worry was it makes them less competitive
Most larger business have traded outside of the EU for years so we’re well aware of how it works. Smaller companies had a steep leaning curve if the could find a customs broker. Big and small business alike will be affected by the new rules about to be implemented.
All businesses trading with the EU were affected by the introduction of the first rules on exports.
The delays and issues with the introduction of initial Brexit customs rules were, firstly the processes were not being applied the same as other non EU destinations and secondly a total lack of staff and infrastructure in place in the UK to cope.
All of our delays were caused by U.K. problems not with the EU. Remember our biggest export trading partner excluding Ireland is Germany and we account for less than 5 % of their volume of imports so their customs are well able to cope as are all the other countries . The impact on us is far greater due to our trading volumes affected by the changes.
The same will be true of the new import checks .
The additional costs brought by Brexit will not go away and they put the U.K. at a constant disadvantage along with making others think twice about trading with us Put simply they don’t want the hassle."
No most businesses are not lazy and will do what it takes to trade i was watching a couple of companies on the bbc news being interviewed a dutch flower seller who 30% of his goods come to the uk and an onion seller both said its just more paperwork but cant lose a lucrative market. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
I keep seeing that exports from Germany to the UK, are down by a third.
One of my clients buys Japanese robots through a German distributor. The Germans started to find all sorts of problems and costs, so my client goes direct to Japan now. The Japanese didn't want to lose the seven figure annual orders, and went out of their way to help.
Maybe the Germans are confident of new markets, to make up their losses. Time will tell. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I keep seeing that exports from Germany to the UK, are down by a third.
One of my clients buys Japanese robots through a German distributor. The Germans started to find all sorts of problems and costs, so my client goes direct to Japan now. The Japanese didn't want to lose the seven figure annual orders, and went out of their way to help.
Maybe the Germans are confident of new markets, to make up their losses. Time will tell. "
Maybe i was wrong then, maybe german businesses are lazy and cant be bothered just as jackel said. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I keep seeing that exports from Germany to the UK, are down by a third.
One of my clients buys Japanese robots through a German distributor. The Germans started to find all sorts of problems and costs, so my client goes direct to Japan now. The Japanese didn't want to lose the seven figure annual orders, and went out of their way to help.
Maybe the Germans are confident of new markets, to make up their losses. Time will tell. Maybe i was wrong then, maybe german businesses are lazy and cant be bothered just as jackel said. "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I keep seeing that exports from Germany to the UK, are down by a third.
One of my clients buys Japanese robots through a German distributor. The Germans started to find all sorts of problems and costs, so my client goes direct to Japan now. The Japanese didn't want to lose the seven figure annual orders, and went out of their way to help.
Maybe the Germans are confident of new markets, to make up their losses. Time will tell. Maybe i was wrong then, maybe german businesses are lazy and cant be bothered just as jackel said. "
I don’t think it’s a case of being lazy or not Costa. If something costs more to ship and costs more to admin but you can get another customer by giving half those costs in credit on the price you will. It’s simpler to trade elsewhere. Some EU businesses will just have to keep trading with us but as I said before we aren’t big in any single country’s import stats. They can afford to lose us. We can’t afford to lose them. Judging by chinas deepening repression and aggression that’s not looking too attractive is it. The NI protocol issues will stall any American deal.
It too late to undo the whole of Brexit but we could make small changes to help ourselves. Isn’t that the whole point? Make things better for U.K. business? Or do you believe Brexit at any cost? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I keep seeing that exports from Germany to the UK, are down by a third.
One of my clients buys Japanese robots through a German distributor. The Germans started to find all sorts of problems and costs, so my client goes direct to Japan now. The Japanese didn't want to lose the seven figure annual orders, and went out of their way to help.
Maybe the Germans are confident of new markets, to make up their losses. Time will tell. Maybe i was wrong then, maybe german businesses are lazy and cant be bothered just as jackel said.
I don’t think it’s a case of being lazy or not Costa. If something costs more to ship and costs more to admin but you can get another customer by giving half those costs in credit on the price you will. It’s simpler to trade elsewhere. Some EU businesses will just have to keep trading with us but as I said before we aren’t big in any single country’s import stats. They can afford to lose us. We can’t afford to lose them. Judging by chinas deepening repression and aggression that’s not looking too attractive is it. The NI protocol issues will stall any American deal.
It too late to undo the whole of Brexit but we could make small changes to help ourselves. Isn’t that the whole point? Make things better for U.K. business? Or do you believe Brexit at any cost? "
I love all this they can afford to lose us but we cant them they exported much more to the uk than the the other way round what was it a 60% trade deficit with the eu?
The dutch flower seller yesterday didnt think he could afford to lose 30% of his trade.
Its true that the eu can afford to hurt the businesses of the eu more than the uk can as the effect spread over such a large area and different countries is not shown up as much even though they are supposed to represent these people rather than protect themselves.
No of course trade should be made as easy as possible and as you say a lot more could be done that goes for the eu too as i have said before did uk waters suddenly become dirty on the stroke of midnight when we left or uk soil suddenly become contaminated? of course not but if the eu want to stick rigidly to the rules then so must the uk but it seems the eu only want it one way they dont like the rules on fishing licences even though they agreed to them.
Trading rules will always change and continue to evolve as circumstances change this is not unique to trade with the eu. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"From the 1st January, HMRC requires all goods to be pre advised which means that every item imported from the EU needs to be registered on the UK import computer system, all the paperwork completed on both sides of the channel correctly and all items available to be checked by both exit and entry customs.
For example, you need to know the senders address, Rex number, EORI number, Excise number, your EORI number, the cost of transportation, the weight, type of packaging, commodity code, type of declaration (CPC) and of course any tax payable.
Why the 1st January - simply because the UK agreed to delay this for a year to allow Brexit to bed in before making things even more complicated.
These systems have already been in place for some items ie wines and spirits and tobacco and work but there are many delays due to incorrect paperwork.
Has anyone noticed any messages from the goverment to businesses to help them manage these changes?
Has the media mentioned anything or is this simply something that is expected to change without anyone noticing?
There was a piece on the BBC the other day that mentioned this change. They said that imports from the EU have reduced much more than exports to the EU. They said this was odd as it has been exporting to the EU that has changed not importing. They think the new rules may reduce EU imports further but had no explanation for why they have suffered so badly. They did mention that more is being supplied locally by UK companies and imported good are shifting to non EU places. I think we are still are buying more from the EU than elsewhere but even before these new changes that is shifting to other areas
The stats are skewered by the Irish border as internal U.K. / NI . trade is now registered as exports to “others” which is showing increase trade with others along with larger numbers of imported high value goods such as Tesla’s. So most of the increase is not positive.
Transport costs will put off UK importers of goods and additionally transport costs will ultimately affect exports.
We seem to think the trade with Europe is “they export to us more than we do to them so they need us more”. They are 27 countries and our share of each countries export market is below 5% in all cases except Ireland ( 12 % goods, 6% services )
To avoid the hassle it may be the EU exporters think we are not worth the trouble and will increase trade within the EU as it’s easier. The new import rules will increase costs further so again negative.
Either way we will be paying more than we would have done without Brexit.
But what do I know
The report person said it was imports that have dropped that was baffling them as the checks had not been implemented yet. This of course is also the case for UK/ NI trade and done on month to month as well as yearly to mitigate the effects of the new way of calculating. I'm not saying this is good or bad just what the BBC person reported. I would have thought more being sourced in the UK was good but maybe not.on the tv news today was a piece where the reporters went to Europe to ask business what they think of the new checks and selling to the UK. It seemed quite similar to here in that medium and big companies are confident but smaller ones are concerned. They all agree the UK is an extremely important customer and that they will do their best with the new checks. The main worry was it makes them less competitive
Most larger business have traded outside of the EU for years so we’re well aware of how it works. Smaller companies had a steep leaning curve if the could find a customs broker. Big and small business alike will be affected by the new rules about to be implemented.
All businesses trading with the EU were affected by the introduction of the first rules on exports.
The delays and issues with the introduction of initial Brexit customs rules were, firstly the processes were not being applied the same as other non EU destinations and secondly a total lack of staff and infrastructure in place in the UK to cope.
All of our delays were caused by U.K. problems not with the EU. Remember our biggest export trading partner excluding Ireland is Germany and we account for less than 5 % of their volume of imports so their customs are well able to cope as are all the other countries . The impact on us is far greater due to our trading volumes affected by the changes.
The same will be true of the new import checks .
The additional costs brought by Brexit will not go away and they put the U.K. at a constant disadvantage along with making others think twice about trading with us Put simply they don’t want the hassle."
I kind of understand the checks in layman's terms anyway but that was not what was baffling the BBC reporter. They say the checks have only been implemented for goods going from UK to EU so with covid explains the drop. However the goods going from EU to UK have not had these checks this year but have dropped far more. The reporter says if anything it should be the other way around. The people interviewed who run businesses in the EU both big and small do not agree with your opinion about selling to the UK. They are concerned about being less competitive and the UK shifting to both UK made products where possible or non EU products. They may have to look at more sales within the EU but if they are possible maybe they should have looked at them before. Most companies seem to get all the sales they can and expand so why have they not. I personally do not doubt your wisdom on business matters but it is different this time to the BBC and the opinion of EU business owners. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
"
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess"
Sorry I was trying to answer both you and Costa .
It’s dropped because of cost is my opinion.
People think logistics is just a given price to export or a price to import.
95% of logistics between the U.K. and the continent is calculated on a round trip basis.
Usually, over say the last 20 years two thirds of this is paid on the exporting leg from the EU to the U.K. The export from the U.K. has in effect been subsidised by this calculation method.
So a German manufacturer would in many cases oh £1000-1200 for a full load to the U.K. the resulting export load would cost on £4-600
We are linked by mutual market logistics.
Now the increase in customs has added hundreds in costs to every round trip and based on the two thirds calculation the EU exporters would have been expected to pick up the majority of the tab.
They are maybe saying no why should we? I really can’t answer that factually. This is just my opinion.
if all the costs are added to the pot such as delays and also hauliers not wanting to come to the U.K. then prices will be under yet more pressure both sides of the channel.
The U.K. is becoming less attractive no matter what the big company’s PR tells you. With more checks and costs coming that will be worse.
I may be wrong but looking at the track record of all the majors to play down any problems it’s to be expected they won’t start whining now.
It’s bad for their image. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess
Sorry I was trying to answer both you and Costa .
It’s dropped because of cost is my opinion.
People think logistics is just a given price to export or a price to import.
95% of logistics between the U.K. and the continent is calculated on a round trip basis.
Usually, over say the last 20 years two thirds of this is paid on the exporting leg from the EU to the U.K. The export from the U.K. has in effect been subsidised by this calculation method.
So a German manufacturer would in many cases oh £1000-1200 for a full load to the U.K. the resulting export load would cost on £4-600
We are linked by mutual market logistics.
Now the increase in customs has added hundreds in costs to every round trip and based on the two thirds calculation the EU exporters would have been expected to pick up the majority of the tab.
They are maybe saying no why should we? I really can’t answer that factually. This is just my opinion.
if all the costs are added to the pot such as delays and also hauliers not wanting to come to the U.K. then prices will be under yet more pressure both sides of the channel.
The U.K. is becoming less attractive no matter what the big company’s PR tells you. With more checks and costs coming that will be worse.
I may be wrong but looking at the track record of all the majors to play down any problems it’s to be expected they won’t start whining now.
It’s bad for their image. "
Thank you for the info and sorry I did not twig you was answering Costa at the same time. I wish I could say I fully understand your example of logistics but think I have an idea now. Seems odd that the BBC did not mention this though in such a broad subject they may have missed it. From what you say and what the report says it seems to be a 2 way thing as if the UK is less attractive to the EU then for the same reasons the opposite must also be true. If the office furniture you mentioned is currently being made in Amsterdam and sent to Oxford for selling and the price and hassle goes up then the Oxford place may decide to source from home or non EU country. As for what the people interviewed said well I can only take them at face value for now at least. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess
Sorry I was trying to answer both you and Costa .
It’s dropped because of cost is my opinion.
People think logistics is just a given price to export or a price to import.
95% of logistics between the U.K. and the continent is calculated on a round trip basis.
Usually, over say the last 20 years two thirds of this is paid on the exporting leg from the EU to the U.K. The export from the U.K. has in effect been subsidised by this calculation method.
So a German manufacturer would in many cases oh £1000-1200 for a full load to the U.K. the resulting export load would cost on £4-600
We are linked by mutual market logistics.
Now the increase in customs has added hundreds in costs to every round trip and based on the two thirds calculation the EU exporters would have been expected to pick up the majority of the tab.
They are maybe saying no why should we? I really can’t answer that factually. This is just my opinion.
if all the costs are added to the pot such as delays and also hauliers not wanting to come to the U.K. then prices will be under yet more pressure both sides of the channel.
The U.K. is becoming less attractive no matter what the big company’s PR tells you. With more checks and costs coming that will be worse.
I may be wrong but looking at the track record of all the majors to play down any problems it’s to be expected they won’t start whining now.
It’s bad for their image.
Thank you for the info and sorry I did not twig you was answering Costa at the same time. I wish I could say I fully understand your example of logistics but think I have an idea now. Seems odd that the BBC did not mention this though in such a broad subject they may have missed it. From what you say and what the report says it seems to be a 2 way thing as if the UK is less attractive to the EU then for the same reasons the opposite must also be true. If the office furniture you mentioned is currently being made in Amsterdam and sent to Oxford for selling and the price and hassle goes up then the Oxford place may decide to source from home or non EU country. As for what the people interviewed said well I can only take them at face value for now at least."
I operated 400 trailers on international business so the costing is correct and I do know how the changes are affecting logistics companies.
Just from chat with friends in the industry I can see how the U.K. is being disadvantaged by Brexit,
It’s a negative financially. That’s a fact. |
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"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess
Sorry I was trying to answer both you and Costa .
It’s dropped because of cost is my opinion.
People think logistics is just a given price to export or a price to import.
95% of logistics between the U.K. and the continent is calculated on a round trip basis.
Usually, over say the last 20 years two thirds of this is paid on the exporting leg from the EU to the U.K. The export from the U.K. has in effect been subsidised by this calculation method.
So a German manufacturer would in many cases oh £1000-1200 for a full load to the U.K. the resulting export load would cost on £4-600
We are linked by mutual market logistics.
Now the increase in customs has added hundreds in costs to every round trip and based on the two thirds calculation the EU exporters would have been expected to pick up the majority of the tab.
They are maybe saying no why should we? I really can’t answer that factually. This is just my opinion.
if all the costs are added to the pot such as delays and also hauliers not wanting to come to the U.K. then prices will be under yet more pressure both sides of the channel.
The U.K. is becoming less attractive no matter what the big company’s PR tells you. With more checks and costs coming that will be worse.
I may be wrong but looking at the track record of all the majors to play down any problems it’s to be expected they won’t start whining now.
It’s bad for their image.
Thank you for the info and sorry I did not twig you was answering Costa at the same time. I wish I could say I fully understand your example of logistics but think I have an idea now. Seems odd that the BBC did not mention this though in such a broad subject they may have missed it. From what you say and what the report says it seems to be a 2 way thing as if the UK is less attractive to the EU then for the same reasons the opposite must also be true. If the office furniture you mentioned is currently being made in Amsterdam and sent to Oxford for selling and the price and hassle goes up then the Oxford place may decide to source from home or non EU country. As for what the people interviewed said well I can only take them at face value for now at least.
I operated 400 trailers on international business so the costing is correct and I do know how the changes are affecting logistics companies.
Just from chat with friends in the industry I can see how the U.K. is being disadvantaged by Brexit,
It’s a negative financially. That’s a fact. "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess
Sorry I was trying to answer both you and Costa .
It’s dropped because of cost is my opinion.
People think logistics is just a given price to export or a price to import.
95% of logistics between the U.K. and the continent is calculated on a round trip basis.
Usually, over say the last 20 years two thirds of this is paid on the exporting leg from the EU to the U.K. The export from the U.K. has in effect been subsidised by this calculation method.
So a German manufacturer would in many cases oh £1000-1200 for a full load to the U.K. the resulting export load would cost on £4-600
We are linked by mutual market logistics.
Now the increase in customs has added hundreds in costs to every round trip and based on the two thirds calculation the EU exporters would have been expected to pick up the majority of the tab.
They are maybe saying no why should we? I really can’t answer that factually. This is just my opinion.
if all the costs are added to the pot such as delays and also hauliers not wanting to come to the U.K. then prices will be under yet more pressure both sides of the channel.
The U.K. is becoming less attractive no matter what the big company’s PR tells you. With more checks and costs coming that will be worse.
I may be wrong but looking at the track record of all the majors to play down any problems it’s to be expected they won’t start whining now.
It’s bad for their image.
Thank you for the info and sorry I did not twig you was answering Costa at the same time. I wish I could say I fully understand your example of logistics but think I have an idea now. Seems odd that the BBC did not mention this though in such a broad subject they may have missed it. From what you say and what the report says it seems to be a 2 way thing as if the UK is less attractive to the EU then for the same reasons the opposite must also be true. If the office furniture you mentioned is currently being made in Amsterdam and sent to Oxford for selling and the price and hassle goes up then the Oxford place may decide to source from home or non EU country. As for what the people interviewed said well I can only take them at face value for now at least.
I operated 400 trailers on international business so the costing is correct and I do know how the changes are affecting logistics companies.
Just from chat with friends in the industry I can see how the U.K. is being disadvantaged by Brexit,
It’s a negative financially. That’s a fact. so do you think it will change or stay negative ?"
Costs won’t come down. One of our biggest suppliers has 5000 trucks.. They have a lot of drivers who are refusing to come to the U.K.
The company can’t afford to lose the drivers so they decline more and more U.K. traffic.
If you repeat this across the industry, costs can only go one way. That’s hurting our exports financially and increasing the cost of imports.
Exporters are having to bite on extra costs just to try and keep clients. As we’ve seen there will be some winners but far more losers.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess
Sorry I was trying to answer both you and Costa .
It’s dropped because of cost is my opinion.
People think logistics is just a given price to export or a price to import.
95% of logistics between the U.K. and the continent is calculated on a round trip basis.
Usually, over say the last 20 years two thirds of this is paid on the exporting leg from the EU to the U.K. The export from the U.K. has in effect been subsidised by this calculation method.
So a German manufacturer would in many cases oh £1000-1200 for a full load to the U.K. the resulting export load would cost on £4-600
We are linked by mutual market logistics.
Now the increase in customs has added hundreds in costs to every round trip and based on the two thirds calculation the EU exporters would have been expected to pick up the majority of the tab.
They are maybe saying no why should we? I really can’t answer that factually. This is just my opinion.
if all the costs are added to the pot such as delays and also hauliers not wanting to come to the U.K. then prices will be under yet more pressure both sides of the channel.
The U.K. is becoming less attractive no matter what the big company’s PR tells you. With more checks and costs coming that will be worse.
I may be wrong but looking at the track record of all the majors to play down any problems it’s to be expected they won’t start whining now.
It’s bad for their image.
Thank you for the info and sorry I did not twig you was answering Costa at the same time. I wish I could say I fully understand your example of logistics but think I have an idea now. Seems odd that the BBC did not mention this though in such a broad subject they may have missed it. From what you say and what the report says it seems to be a 2 way thing as if the UK is less attractive to the EU then for the same reasons the opposite must also be true. If the office furniture you mentioned is currently being made in Amsterdam and sent to Oxford for selling and the price and hassle goes up then the Oxford place may decide to source from home or non EU country. As for what the people interviewed said well I can only take them at face value for now at least.
I operated 400 trailers on international business so the costing is correct and I do know how the changes are affecting logistics companies.
Just from chat with friends in the industry I can see how the U.K. is being disadvantaged by Brexit,
It’s a negative financially. That’s a fact. "
I am well aware and respect of your view on brexit and well aware and respect via other threads your knowledge of the haulage industry. What you say along with the examples has logic. I think this is why the BBC amongst others are baffled as to why the actual figures are opposite to what was expected. Your office furniture example, if you reverse it (as the same is true both ways), seems to fit with one of the reports possible explanations of previously EU supplied products now being sourced in the UK and non EU countries. I am not trying to make a point of any kind when I posted about this. As these are actual results from this year I simply thought it was interesting,related to the thread and a bit baffling |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess
Sorry I was trying to answer both you and Costa .
It’s dropped because of cost is my opinion.
People think logistics is just a given price to export or a price to import.
95% of logistics between the U.K. and the continent is calculated on a round trip basis.
Usually, over say the last 20 years two thirds of this is paid on the exporting leg from the EU to the U.K. The export from the U.K. has in effect been subsidised by this calculation method.
So a German manufacturer would in many cases oh £1000-1200 for a full load to the U.K. the resulting export load would cost on £4-600
We are linked by mutual market logistics.
Now the increase in customs has added hundreds in costs to every round trip and based on the two thirds calculation the EU exporters would have been expected to pick up the majority of the tab.
They are maybe saying no why should we? I really can’t answer that factually. This is just my opinion.
if all the costs are added to the pot such as delays and also hauliers not wanting to come to the U.K. then prices will be under yet more pressure both sides of the channel.
The U.K. is becoming less attractive no matter what the big company’s PR tells you. With more checks and costs coming that will be worse.
I may be wrong but looking at the track record of all the majors to play down any problems it’s to be expected they won’t start whining now.
It’s bad for their image.
Thank you for the info and sorry I did not twig you was answering Costa at the same time. I wish I could say I fully understand your example of logistics but think I have an idea now. Seems odd that the BBC did not mention this though in such a broad subject they may have missed it. From what you say and what the report says it seems to be a 2 way thing as if the UK is less attractive to the EU then for the same reasons the opposite must also be true. If the office furniture you mentioned is currently being made in Amsterdam and sent to Oxford for selling and the price and hassle goes up then the Oxford place may decide to source from home or non EU country. As for what the people interviewed said well I can only take them at face value for now at least.
I operated 400 trailers on international business so the costing is correct and I do know how the changes are affecting logistics companies.
Just from chat with friends in the industry I can see how the U.K. is being disadvantaged by Brexit,
It’s a negative financially. That’s a fact.
I am well aware and respect of your view on brexit and well aware and respect via other threads your knowledge of the haulage industry. What you say along with the examples has logic. I think this is why the BBC amongst others are baffled as to why the actual figures are opposite to what was expected. Your office furniture example, if you reverse it (as the same is true both ways), seems to fit with one of the reports possible explanations of previously EU supplied products now being sourced in the UK and non EU countries. I am not trying to make a point of any kind when I posted about this. As these are actual results from this year I simply thought it was interesting,related to the thread and a bit baffling"
In theory It could be as you say a U.K. manufacturer may find parts suppliers cheaper in the U.K. now, as that supplier has lost his export business which put him under pressure to find a customer so they both ultimately benefit . If the savings are enough the manufacturers may be able to off set the added costs of Brexit and still sell to Europe. So it’s possible that there are some things that can be achieved but unfortunately we aren’t a big enough manufacturing country and have lost a lots of the factories we could do with now.
The trade balance of good shows this ratio of manufacturing most starkly .
The biggest volumes of export trucks for the last five years have been waste shipments. Again cheap transport made this possible . |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The point about we need them argument is they account for 45% of our exports . We account for maximum 5% of theirs.
Like the flower growers there will be some companies massively hit both ways . The flowers are one our shell fishermen another. Irrelevant in the big picture.
If we stopped trading with the EU tomorrow our county’s economy would be in dire trouble the same cannot be said for the EU countries. That’s the reality and the point about who needs who more.
As for business yes they do look for sales everywhere but I’ll give you an example of how the shift will work.
If we sell office furniture from a factory in Oxford to a firm in Paris the costs to do that have gone up. So the price to the buyer goes up.
The buyer decided to source his desks from Amsterdam where costs haven’t gone up to keep his prices the same.
So the U.K. manufacturer loses out but the Dutch supplier wins additional sales.
Then you can say well ok the Oxford firm has an advantage over the Dutch firm which is correct. You then look at the comparative market and population size.
The U.K. 70m the EU 450m
Who’s lost the most in potential sales and who’s costs have increased to access those sales.
As a point the costs to ship to the U.K. have increased to allow for the hauliers additional costs in working with the U.K. business. Delays cost so prices are rising both ways. They will rise sharply if the U.K. customs cause further delays next year. This is all inevitably going to hurt our imports and therefore pockets even more.
We don’t make everything we need here but buying British is good. If we can. Our manufacturing businesses will need all the customers they can get.
You seem to be discussing things that I have not brought up or implied. I have not made any claims about who needs who. I was simply saying that according to the article, imports from the EU which this year have not had the new checks have reduced far more than expected and far more than exports to the EU which do have the new checks. The BBC could not explain why this is, as it should be the other way around. They do note that some suppliers are sourcing products in the UK instead and also from non EU countries. I can kind of understand why that may happen after the new checks start but not sure why it's happened this year. The EU companies interviewed both big and small consider the UK very important to them but fear being less competitive to UK and non EU suppliers. That's from their mouths. Of course they may be telling fibs and will not bother with the UK at all. We will have to wait and see I guess
Sorry I was trying to answer both you and Costa .
It’s dropped because of cost is my opinion.
People think logistics is just a given price to export or a price to import.
95% of logistics between the U.K. and the continent is calculated on a round trip basis.
Usually, over say the last 20 years two thirds of this is paid on the exporting leg from the EU to the U.K. The export from the U.K. has in effect been subsidised by this calculation method.
So a German manufacturer would in many cases oh £1000-1200 for a full load to the U.K. the resulting export load would cost on £4-600
We are linked by mutual market logistics.
Now the increase in customs has added hundreds in costs to every round trip and based on the two thirds calculation the EU exporters would have been expected to pick up the majority of the tab.
They are maybe saying no why should we? I really can’t answer that factually. This is just my opinion.
if all the costs are added to the pot such as delays and also hauliers not wanting to come to the U.K. then prices will be under yet more pressure both sides of the channel.
The U.K. is becoming less attractive no matter what the big company’s PR tells you. With more checks and costs coming that will be worse.
I may be wrong but looking at the track record of all the majors to play down any problems it’s to be expected they won’t start whining now.
It’s bad for their image.
Thank you for the info and sorry I did not twig you was answering Costa at the same time. I wish I could say I fully understand your example of logistics but think I have an idea now. Seems odd that the BBC did not mention this though in such a broad subject they may have missed it. From what you say and what the report says it seems to be a 2 way thing as if the UK is less attractive to the EU then for the same reasons the opposite must also be true. If the office furniture you mentioned is currently being made in Amsterdam and sent to Oxford for selling and the price and hassle goes up then the Oxford place may decide to source from home or non EU country. As for what the people interviewed said well I can only take them at face value for now at least.
I operated 400 trailers on international business so the costing is correct and I do know how the changes are affecting logistics companies.
Just from chat with friends in the industry I can see how the U.K. is being disadvantaged by Brexit,
It’s a negative financially. That’s a fact.
I am well aware and respect of your view on brexit and well aware and respect via other threads your knowledge of the haulage industry. What you say along with the examples has logic. I think this is why the BBC amongst others are baffled as to why the actual figures are opposite to what was expected. Your office furniture example, if you reverse it (as the same is true both ways), seems to fit with one of the reports possible explanations of previously EU supplied products now being sourced in the UK and non EU countries. I am not trying to make a point of any kind when I posted about this. As these are actual results from this year I simply thought it was interesting,related to the thread and a bit baffling
In theory It could be as you say a U.K. manufacturer may find parts suppliers cheaper in the U.K. now, as that supplier has lost his export business which put him under pressure to find a customer so they both ultimately benefit . If the savings are enough the manufacturers may be able to off set the added costs of Brexit and still sell to Europe. So it’s possible that there are some things that can be achieved but unfortunately we aren’t a big enough manufacturing country and have lost a lots of the factories we could do with now.
The trade balance of good shows this ratio of manufacturing most starkly .
The biggest volumes of export trucks for the last five years have been waste shipments. Again cheap transport made this possible . "
Well it's just a theory formed by your theory so no idea if it will pan out like that. I suspect a mixture of using UK goods and non EU goods rather than one or the other only. Manufacturing does need to increase again in this country so may be a kick start for it. |
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