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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?"
I think for him its about getting the least worst outcome. Even if they hold the seat they will probably have a reduced vote and could well confirm the swing to Labour. Loose the seat and the sharks will circle |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
The tories were clear odds on at the bookies but the libdems (who were 3rd behind Labour in 2019 )odds shortened massively over the last few days,so they became the bookies favourites ,not sure wether this was due to what was being said to the canvassers or some large bets on the libdems , however in the last 24 hours the tories have once again become odds on favourites , a bet on the tories retaining a seat where they have a 20,000 majority and getting odds around evens does appear a good bet , I really can't see a result other than a tory hold , but alot of Labour voters must be considering voting libdem to defeat the tory,even so the swing would be massive , , my prediction tory win with approx 5,000 majority , , |
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?"
If the Tories lose the seat, it'll be one less troublesome back-bencher for him to worry about.
Not that he ever worries about anything - ever.
He's lived his entire life without negative consequence, no matter what he's done.
He prevaricated over Covid 19 and provided the conditions it needed to take hold in the UK. His fans in Kent even managed to make a bad thing worse, with their own variant. He utterly failed to act promptly over Delta, from India.
When, inevitably, he is no longer PM, nothing bad is going to happen to him.
So, no. A win won't make him. A loss won't break him. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?"
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though |
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"The Lib-Dems will do well here. Its just a case of how many Conservative voters stop at home.
Labour have no chance, and really missed a trick here, by splitting the anti-Conservative vote. "
Quite right. If labour had stood aside, Tories wouldn't have a hope |
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though "
you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol"
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas  |
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas "
if he does I’ll drive down to Manchester and buy ya a pint bud lol |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas if he does I’ll drive down to Manchester and buy ya a pint bud lol"
If there’s a free pint in it Foxy I’m saying he’ll be gone before Christmas too ,, just in case!! 
If he’s not how about a half?? Yes I’m cheap!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas if he does I’ll drive down to Manchester and buy ya a pint bud lol"
Ha, thanks  |
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas if he does I’ll drive down to Manchester and buy ya a pint bud lol
If there’s a free pint in it Foxy I’m saying he’ll be gone before Christmas too ,, just in case!!
If he’s not how about a half?? Yes I’m cheap!! "
lmao a half can you still buy half’s ok it’s a deal ya cheapskate lol |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas if he does I’ll drive down to Manchester and buy ya a pint bud lol
If there’s a free pint in it Foxy I’m saying he’ll be gone before Christmas too ,, just in case!!
If he’s not how about a half?? Yes I’m cheap!! lmao a half can you still buy half’s ok it’s a deal ya cheapskate lol"
Might be in one of those hipster craft bars.
Seen beer in those places at £30 a pint!  |
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas if he does I’ll drive down to Manchester and buy ya a pint bud lol
If there’s a free pint in it Foxy I’m saying he’ll be gone before Christmas too ,, just in case!!
If he’s not how about a half?? Yes I’m cheap!! lmao a half can you still buy half’s ok it’s a deal ya cheapskate lol
Might be in one of those hipster craft bars.
Seen beer in those places at £30 a pint! "
eh I’d want a night out for that wtf who are the loons who pay that lol |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas if he does I’ll drive down to Manchester and buy ya a pint bud lol
If there’s a free pint in it Foxy I’m saying he’ll be gone before Christmas too ,, just in case!!
If he’s not how about a half?? Yes I’m cheap!! lmao a half can you still buy half’s ok it’s a deal ya cheapskate lol
Might be in one of those hipster craft bars.
Seen beer in those places at £30 a pint! eh I’d want a night out for that wtf who are the loons who pay that lol"
There you go I’m saving you £15 and you’re still not happy!! |
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"So this could be make or break for Boris? Predictions anyone?
The tories will hold the seat with a far smaller majority, it won’t have much effect on Boris as he has far bigger problems , it’s only a matter of time before he will be ousted out of Number 10 though you only have two weeks left for your prediction mate lol you’ve not done to well at making them lately lol
What other predictions have I made? As I keep saying, he will be gone before Xmas if he does I’ll drive down to Manchester and buy ya a pint bud lol
If there’s a free pint in it Foxy I’m saying he’ll be gone before Christmas too ,, just in case!!
If he’s not how about a half?? Yes I’m cheap!! lmao a half can you still buy half’s ok it’s a deal ya cheapskate lol
Might be in one of those hipster craft bars.
Seen beer in those places at £30 a pint! eh I’d want a night out for that wtf who are the loons who pay that lol
There you go I’m saving you £15 and you’re still not happy!! "
haha well of ya saving me 15 I’ll give ya 5 back then lol was top in maths at my school lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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On the one hand, there has been an avalanche of bad stories for the Tories. Sleaze. Corruption. Cash for honours. Partygate. + this constituency had as MP a guy who was at the heart of one of those scandals. And there's the ever mounting mountain of Johnson lies.
On the other hand, this constituency has gone Tory for almost 200 years...
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"On the one hand, there has been an avalanche of bad stories for the Tories. Sleaze. Corruption. Cash for honours. Partygate. + this constituency had as MP a guy who was at the heart of one of those scandals. And there's the ever mounting mountain of Johnson lies.
On the other hand, this constituency has gone Tory for almost 200 years...
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All the lies, corruption, ripping off the public, sleaze, lining their own pockets etc, didn't put people off voting Tory before, don't see why it would now. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I want to say the Lib Dems would have it, but considering this seat is probably the Most safest tory seat in parliament it’s to better say another reduced majority.
That being said, conversations would be abound with the near miss, because if that percentage reduction were to be replicated in seats with slimmer majorities it could be disastrous for the tories.
So tory HQ could be thinking hard or who will fill in and repair the damage?
I don’t think there is an actual contender so this situation will drag on, once they’ve found that person, then the challenge will happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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According to the Indy, early reports say it's going well for the lib dems and badly for the Tories.
Could the bluest of blue constituencies actually flip? I didn't think they would. Not so sure now. |
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"that is a monumental slap in the face for institutionaly corrupt conservative and unionism right there.  "
Bit of a slap in the face for Labour too.
Tories STILL got a 9000 vote majority over Labour even after all the fiasco |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"only a 46% turnout "
So...
54% couldn't be bothered.
What does that show?
That they expected a landslide Tory victory and felt that there was no point in voting?
That they simply have given up on UK politics?
Or they simply could not be bothered to vote?
End result is the same.
A massive turnaround in what has been considered a Tory safe seat and a vote of no confidence in Johnson.
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"Wow! Majority flipped, even I thought it would be safe with a reduced majority, maybe Christmas miracles do happen?"
I'm shocked. I didn't expect it.
I'm wonder what happened. Some piece of Tory corruption was the proverbial straw on the camels back? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wow! Majority flipped, even I thought it would be safe with a reduced majority, maybe Christmas miracles do happen?
I'm shocked. I didn't expect it.
I'm wonder what happened. Some piece of Tory corruption was the proverbial straw on the camels back? "
It looks that way, Boris is finished, it’s now a case of when and how |
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"Wow! Majority flipped, even I thought it would be safe with a reduced majority, maybe Christmas miracles do happen?
I'm shocked. I didn't expect it.
I'm wonder what happened. Some piece of Tory corruption was the proverbial straw on the camels back?
It looks that way, Boris is finished, it’s now a case of when and how "
That depends if the Tories think he's become a liability, a risk to their mission statement of staying in power and making their mates richer.
If they do decide to get rid of him. They'll pin and much covid and brexit shit on him as possible first before chucking him under the bus. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wow! Majority flipped, even I thought it would be safe with a reduced majority, maybe Christmas miracles do happen?
I'm shocked. I didn't expect it.
I'm wonder what happened. Some piece of Tory corruption was the proverbial straw on the camels back?
It looks that way, Boris is finished, it’s now a case of when and how
That depends if the Tories think he's become a liability, a risk to their mission statement of staying in power and making their mates richer.
If they do decide to get rid of him. They'll pin and much covid and brexit shit on him as possible first before chucking him under the bus."
Tbh, as a labour supporter I hope he stays as long as possible the Tories are ruthless, he is toast |
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"Wow! Majority flipped, even I thought it would be safe with a reduced majority, maybe Christmas miracles do happen?
I'm shocked. I didn't expect it.
I'm wonder what happened. Some piece of Tory corruption was the proverbial straw on the camels back?
It looks that way, Boris is finished, it’s now a case of when and how
That depends if the Tories think he's become a liability, a risk to their mission statement of staying in power and making their mates richer.
If they do decide to get rid of him. They'll pin and much covid and brexit shit on him as possible first before chucking him under the bus."
The Tories do have a history when it comes to big red busses |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"only a 46% turnout "
Actually for a by election that is quite a big number… and for a general the turnout would be 65% ish…
It does show a few things….
1) a fair few tories stayed home… but on a 6k majority they would have struggled anyway
2) if labour and the Lib Dems could step out of each other’s way in seats where there is a definitive 2nd party… the tories would be in serious trouble!
And that is where you need a moderate labour leader |
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"only a 46% turnout
Actually for a by election that is quite a big number… and for a general the turnout would be 65% ish…
It does show a few things….
1) a fair few tories stayed home… but on a 6k majority they would have struggled anyway
2) if labour and the Lib Dems could step out of each other’s way in seats where there is a definitive 2nd party… the tories would be in serious trouble!
And that is where you need a moderate labour leader "
Do Labour not have a moderate leader? For me, he's moderate to the extreme, he doesn't have any new or good ideas. He's just bland, middle of the road, don't rock the boat type. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
The Lib-Dems had a local candidate, and concentrated on local issues.
This can be expected mid-term, as this vote won't change the national Goverment.
Voters have cited lack of services, and increased NHS waiting times for swapping over to the Lib-Dems.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"that is a monumental slap in the face for institutionaly corrupt conservative and unionism right there.
Bit of a slap in the face for Labour too.
Tories STILL got a 9000 vote majority over Labour even after all the fiasco"
Not really…this seat would always be a lost cause for labour and they didn’t really pursue it.
Tactical voting is the way forward to get rid of what has become a right wing English nationalist fruit cake government…corrupt to boot |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
Restores my faith in democracy to a degree. I know our system is not truly representative but shows it is possible to overturn a so called safe seat. BBC story is titled one more strike and he is out. I suspect there will be plots being made already in the background |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"only a 46% turnout
Actually for a by election that is quite a big number… and for a general the turnout would be 65% ish…
It does show a few things….
1) a fair few tories stayed home… but on a 6k majority they would have struggled anyway
2) if labour and the Lib Dems could step out of each other’s way in seats where there is a definitive 2nd party… the tories would be in serious trouble!
And that is where you need a moderate labour leader
Do Labour not have a moderate leader? For me, he's moderate to the extreme, he doesn't have any new or good ideas. He's just bland, middle of the road, don't rock the boat type."
If labour have a moderate leader then the tories can’t use the scare tactics they did surrounding corbyn.. you don’t give the tories the “hold your nose” vote … if you get both labour and Lib Dem voters saying “ I could vote for the other over the tories” then the tories will turn away from Johnson and turn to someone like sunak |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"only a 46% turnout
Actually for a by election that is quite a big number… and for a general the turnout would be 65% ish…
It does show a few things….
1) a fair few tories stayed home… but on a 6k majority they would have struggled anyway
2) if labour and the Lib Dems could step out of each other’s way in seats where there is a definitive 2nd party… the tories would be in serious trouble!
And that is where you need a moderate labour leader
Do Labour not have a moderate leader? For me, he's moderate to the extreme, he doesn't have any new or good ideas. He's just bland, middle of the road, don't rock the boat type."
Genuine question and I’m not sure if I’m for him or not yet so the bland is an issue on that front,
Is him or any leader being a bit bland a bad thing? I want a leader who reacts and takes action on what we need at the time. The tories have historically lined the rich pockets where the extreme left have wanted everyone to have the same income whether they work or not.
Having someone who is practical, not just shouting and definitely not just a one truck pony can’t be such a bad thing, can it?
Maybe it’s time for a leader who doesn’t pamper to a “sect” . |
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over a year ago
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"Starmer is worth around £7.7 million. Not really sure that his head-space is there for the little guy. "
Unless politicians are paid an salary which attracts people who make politics their one role and whose background actually reflects what they are voted in to do, you will always need politicians who are wealthy and who are trying to do the right thing (note the word trying).
The House of Lords is even worse.
Full of unelected wealthy people put in place as favours for support or historical reasons.
The whole political spectrum needs to be reviewed and the outdated system we currently have, scrapped.
Guy Fawkes- we need you! |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Starmer is worth around £7.7 million. Not really sure that his head-space is there for the little guy. "
He’s certainly not mega wealthy and from what I’ve read, that money he and his wife have earned as his family weren’t wealthy. Unlike Boris who came from wealth and married his first wife. She was “very” wealthy which enabled Boris to live well from the off. That is a cocooned existence. Someone else will always put their hand in their pocket for him. Whether its ridiculous speech payments or article writing. Boris has never had to work hard.
Relying on free donations such as private jets is his mantra.
I know who I would say has a greater understanding of the majority of workers in this country. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Starmer is worth around £7.7 million. Not really sure that his head-space is there for the little guy. "
Starmer was head of the DPP…. If he didn’t have money I’d be more surprised….. |
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"only a 46% turnout
Actually for a by election that is quite a big number… and for a general the turnout would be 65% ish…
It does show a few things….
1) a fair few tories stayed home… but on a 6k majority they would have struggled anyway
2) if labour and the Lib Dems could step out of each other’s way in seats where there is a definitive 2nd party… the tories would be in serious trouble!
And that is where you need a moderate labour leader
Do Labour not have a moderate leader? For me, he's moderate to the extreme, he doesn't have any new or good ideas. He's just bland, middle of the road, don't rock the boat type.
Genuine question and I’m not sure if I’m for him or not yet so the bland is an issue on that front,
Is him or any leader being a bit bland a bad thing? I want a leader who reacts and takes action on what we need at the time. The tories have historically lined the rich pockets where the extreme left have wanted everyone to have the same income whether they work or not.
Having someone who is practical, not just shouting and definitely not just a one truck pony can’t be such a bad thing, can it?
Maybe it’s time for a leader who doesn’t pamper to a “sect” . "
Probably for the electorate at large, as the other poster mentioned, being middle of the road by and large attracts more votes and is less likely to have people voting Tory.
For me personally, their voting record trumps their personalities, as this is a truer reflection of who they are. But I don't know if that's the same for others. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"only a 46% turnout
Actually for a by election that is quite a big number… and for a general the turnout would be 65% ish…
It does show a few things….
1) a fair few tories stayed home… but on a 6k majority they would have struggled anyway
2) if labour and the Lib Dems could step out of each other’s way in seats where there is a definitive 2nd party… the tories would be in serious trouble!
And that is where you need a moderate labour leader
Do Labour not have a moderate leader? For me, he's moderate to the extreme, he doesn't have any new or good ideas. He's just bland, middle of the road, don't rock the boat type.
Genuine question and I’m not sure if I’m for him or not yet so the bland is an issue on that front,
Is him or any leader being a bit bland a bad thing? I want a leader who reacts and takes action on what we need at the time. The tories have historically lined the rich pockets where the extreme left have wanted everyone to have the same income whether they work or not.
Having someone who is practical, not just shouting and definitely not just a one truck pony can’t be such a bad thing, can it?
Maybe it’s time for a leader who doesn’t pamper to a “sect” .
Probably for the electorate at large, as the other poster mentioned, being middle of the road by and large attracts more votes and is less likely to have people voting Tory.
For me personally, their voting record trumps their personalities, as this is a truer reflection of who they are. But I don't know if that's the same for others."
It does seem that middle of the road of the political spectrum and middle of the road in a party seems to be the sweet spot. Not always true of course as depends on national events |
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"only a 46% turnout
Actually for a by election that is quite a big number… and for a general the turnout would be 65% ish…
It does show a few things….
1) a fair few tories stayed home… but on a 6k majority they would have struggled anyway
2) if labour and the Lib Dems could step out of each other’s way in seats where there is a definitive 2nd party… the tories would be in serious trouble!
And that is where you need a moderate labour leader
Do Labour not have a moderate leader? For me, he's moderate to the extreme, he doesn't have any new or good ideas. He's just bland, middle of the road, don't rock the boat type.
Genuine question and I’m not sure if I’m for him or not yet so the bland is an issue on that front,
Is him or any leader being a bit bland a bad thing? I want a leader who reacts and takes action on what we need at the time. The tories have historically lined the rich pockets where the extreme left have wanted everyone to have the same income whether they work or not.
Having someone who is practical, not just shouting and definitely not just a one truck pony can’t be such a bad thing, can it?
Maybe it’s time for a leader who doesn’t pamper to a “sect” .
Probably for the electorate at large, as the other poster mentioned, being middle of the road by and large attracts more votes and is less likely to have people voting Tory.
For me personally, their voting record trumps their personalities, as this is a truer reflection of who they are. But I don't know if that's the same for others.
It does seem that middle of the road of the political spectrum and middle of the road in a party seems to be the sweet spot. Not always true of course as depends on national events"
Seems to be the consensus for the opposition. But Boris and the current crop of Tories are far from middle of the road and boring. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"only a 46% turnout
Actually for a by election that is quite a big number… and for a general the turnout would be 65% ish…
It does show a few things….
1) a fair few tories stayed home… but on a 6k majority they would have struggled anyway
2) if labour and the Lib Dems could step out of each other’s way in seats where there is a definitive 2nd party… the tories would be in serious trouble!
And that is where you need a moderate labour leader
Do Labour not have a moderate leader? For me, he's moderate to the extreme, he doesn't have any new or good ideas. He's just bland, middle of the road, don't rock the boat type.
Genuine question and I’m not sure if I’m for him or not yet so the bland is an issue on that front,
Is him or any leader being a bit bland a bad thing? I want a leader who reacts and takes action on what we need at the time. The tories have historically lined the rich pockets where the extreme left have wanted everyone to have the same income whether they work or not.
Having someone who is practical, not just shouting and definitely not just a one truck pony can’t be such a bad thing, can it?
Maybe it’s time for a leader who doesn’t pamper to a “sect” .
Probably for the electorate at large, as the other poster mentioned, being middle of the road by and large attracts more votes and is less likely to have people voting Tory.
For me personally, their voting record trumps their personalities, as this is a truer reflection of who they are. But I don't know if that's the same for others.
It does seem that middle of the road of the political spectrum and middle of the road in a party seems to be the sweet spot. Not always true of course as depends on national events
Seems to be the consensus for the opposition. But Boris and the current crop of Tories are far from middle of the road and boring. "
True enough and would put that down to the national events (Brexit) I mentioned. Without that I am not sure he would be where he is now |
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"The Lib-Dems had a local candidate, and concentrated on local issues.
This can be expected mid-term, as this vote won't change the national Goverment.
Voters have cited lack of services, and increased NHS waiting times for swapping over to the Lib-Dems.
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The Tories had a good candidate - by their standards - and he got pasted because of who leads his party. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is in denial.
The voters also cited the 'Peppa Pig incident'; which was not as trivial as Boris' supporters would have you believe. He was addressing the CBI, FFS!
Boris has even said he accepts responsibility for the result. Clearly, saying it means absolutely fuck all, coming from him. He's said the same about the Covid death toll.
He doesn't know what responsibility is because he lives a life devoid of negative consequence. As I've said before, even if this result is the start of him losing his job as PM - nothing bad is going to happen to him.
Unlike the rest of us, there is no possibility of anything massively negative or harmful happening to him, if he does something seriously wrong. |
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"Restores my faith in democracy to a degree. I know our system is not truly representative but shows it is possible to overturn a so called safe seat. BBC story is titled one more strike and he is out. I suspect there will be plots being made already in the background"
That's what I was thinking. The result shows that (at least some of) the sort of people who were misguided enough to give a lying, corrupt cunt a majority of 23,000 - just a couple of years ago - can actually be persuaded of the error of their ways.
To be fair, it took more than being lied to, obviously; they don't mind that. It's the being taken for granted and ridiculed they couldn't stand.
In many ways, it's why Labour are no longer a thing in Scotland; or in many of their former English strongholds. They didn't learn that you can't the piss out of the voters.
Clearly, it's easier to do that with Tory voters; it's why they get away with it for so long - but if the Tories don't learn that even they have to treat the voters with a bit of respect ...
then perhaps democracy won't continue to improve. Don't hold your breaths. |
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"Restores my faith in democracy to a degree. I know our system is not truly representative but shows it is possible to overturn a so called safe seat. BBC story is titled one more strike and he is out. I suspect there will be plots being made already in the background
That's what I was thinking. The result shows that (at least some of) the sort of people who were misguided enough to give a lying, corrupt cunt a majority of 23,000 - just a couple of years ago - can actually be persuaded of the error of their ways.
To be fair, it took more than being lied to, obviously; they don't mind that. It's the being taken for granted and ridiculed they couldn't stand.
In many ways, it's why Labour are no longer a thing in Scotland; or in many of their former English strongholds. They didn't learn that you can't the piss out of the voters.
Clearly, it's easier to do that with Tory voters; it's why they get away with it for so long - but if the Tories don't learn that even they have to treat the voters with a bit of respect ...
then perhaps democracy won't continue to improve. Don't hold your breaths."
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"Maybe it’s time for a leader who doesn’t pamper to a “sect”?"
Yep. It is. However, if his replacement is one of the pro-Brexit airheads he replaced all the grown ups with when he formed his first Cabinet; don't expect things to improve.
Even the Tory Party has individuals who take politics seriously and understand the requirement for competent leadership and that accountability applies to them, too. If they fail to appoint one of them, after Boris has moved on, it'll just make a bad situation even worse.
As Fraser Nelson once said, in a Radio 4 interview:
"The Tories are seen as being ruthless but efficient; but when you stop being efficient, that doesn't leave you with much." |
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By *coptoCouple
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“The Tories had a good candidate - by their standards - and he got pasted because of who leads his party. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is in denial”
Always a conundrum… my local MP (Labour) was absolutely one of the best. Hard working and great supporter of charities as well as attracting huge investment for the area (also a bit of an expenses “grey area”, but par for the course). But in the 2010 Let’s-Get-Rid-Of-Gordon-Brown Election, the choice was between him as incumbent, or a Tory carpetbagger who hadn’t even heard of Great Yarmouth before somebody pointed it out to him on a map: Brandon Lewis, say no more.
I am by nature a Conservative, but in 2010 voted for the man, not the party. To little avail, Tony Wright lost by a landslide because of “who led his party” |
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I think Johnson's on his way out. This entire situation was his fault and all his MPs know it. They will be very pissed off he lost 1 of the safest Tory seats. They'll be even more pissed off his actions put pretty much any of their seats at risk.
If Johnson hadn't tried to tear up the rule book to get Paterson off, there would still be a Tory MP in N Shrops. If Johnson handn't lied and lied over Partygate, there wouldn't be so much public anger. |
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"“The Tories had a good candidate - by their standards - and he got pasted because of who leads his party. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is in denial”
Always a conundrum… my local MP (Labour) was absolutely one of the best. Hard working and great supporter of charities as well as attracting huge investment for the area (also a bit of an expenses “grey area”, but par for the course). But in the 2010 Let’s-Get-Rid-Of-Gordon-Brown Election, the choice was between him as incumbent, or a Tory carpetbagger who hadn’t even heard of Great Yarmouth before somebody pointed it out to him on a map: Brandon Lewis, say no more.
I am by nature a Conservative, but in 2010 voted for the man, not the party. To little avail, Tony Wright lost by a landslide because of “who led his party”"
Yep. It definitely cuts both ways - and not just in this country. |
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"I think Johnson's on his way out. This entire situation was his fault and all his MPs know it. They will be very pissed off he lost 1 of the safest Tory seats. They'll be even more pissed off his actions put pretty much any of their seats at risk.
If Johnson hadn't tried to tear up the rule book to get Paterson off, there would still be a Tory MP in N Shrops. If Johnson handn't lied and lied over Partygate, there wouldn't be so much public anger. "
Indeed. He's unlikely to be able to change his nature, so they'll have to be rid of him before the next GE. Let's face it, he can't "Get Brexit Done" - the main reason for his 2019 victory - twice.
He's got almost nothing else. No vision, no intelligence, no competence, no leadership, no morals ...
Except for two things; he has a powerful appeal to those who are too weak-minded to be capable of critical thinking and the employment of logic - and he's useful to those of his kind that he is happy to help exploit the vulnerable and the less fortunate.
At PMQs, on Wednesday, he accused SKS of playing "party politics", for pointing out, yet again, his lack of fitness to be PM.
I wonder how he feels about the voters of North Shropshire? Were they playing party politics, too?
At any rate, the longer he stays in post, the worse things will get for the whole UK.
He's basically a posh Berlusconi. |
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"I think Johnson's on his way out. This entire situation was his fault and all his MPs know it. They will be very pissed off he lost 1 of the safest Tory seats. They'll be even more pissed off his actions put pretty much any of their seats at risk.
If Johnson hadn't tried to tear up the rule book to get Paterson off, there would still be a Tory MP in N Shrops. If Johnson handn't lied and lied over Partygate, there wouldn't be so much public anger.
Indeed. He's unlikely to be able to change his nature, so they'll have to be rid of him before the next GE. Let's face it, he can't "Get Brexit Done" - the main reason for his 2019 victory - twice.
He's got almost nothing else. No vision, no intelligence, no competence, no leadership, no morals ...
Except for two things; he has a powerful appeal to those who are too weak-minded to be capable of critical thinking and the employment of logic - and he's useful to those of his kind that he is happy to help exploit the vulnerable and the less fortunate.
At PMQs, on Wednesday, he accused SKS of playing "party politics", for pointing out, yet again, his lack of fitness to be PM.
I wonder how he feels about the voters of North Shropshire? Were they playing party politics, too?
At any rate, the longer he stays in post, the worse things will get for the whole UK.
He's basically a posh Berlusconi."
Often happens mid-term, this vote won't change the national Goverment. Happened in Christchurch 1993, Tories won it back in 1997 from Lib Dems.
The lunacy is that many people who voted LD in North Shropshire voted for
Brexit and still would. I know cos my uncle is one of them in Market Drayton and is so daft, he can't see the irony of what he did on Thursday. He agreed he will 'almost certainly' go back to the Tories in 2024.
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none of this is about a lib dem revival. it's totally about utterly corrupt utterly useless conservative unionism pandering to far right english nationalists who have embedded themselves in the party. rightly enough the public are saying no more. |
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By *estivalMan
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"I think Johnson's on his way out. This entire situation was his fault and all his MPs know it. They will be very pissed off he lost 1 of the safest Tory seats. They'll be even more pissed off his actions put pretty much any of their seats at risk.
If Johnson hadn't tried to tear up the rule book to get Paterson off, there would still be a Tory MP in N Shrops. If Johnson handn't lied and lied over Partygate, there wouldn't be so much public anger.
Indeed. He's unlikely to be able to change his nature, so they'll have to be rid of him before the next GE. Let's face it, he can't "Get Brexit Done" - the main reason for his 2019 victory - twice.
He's got almost nothing else. No vision, no intelligence, no competence, no leadership, no morals ...
Except for two things; he has a powerful appeal to those who are too weak-minded to be capable of critical thinking and the employment of logic - and he's useful to those of his kind that he is happy to help exploit the vulnerable and the less fortunate.
At PMQs, on Wednesday, he accused SKS of playing "party politics", for pointing out, yet again, his lack of fitness to be PM.
I wonder how he feels about the voters of North Shropshire? Were they playing party politics, too?
At any rate, the longer he stays in post, the worse things will get for the whole UK.
He's basically a posh Berlusconi."
i doubt the voters were playing party politics as over half didnt bother voting at all |
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the 30 day suspension would have triggered a recall election which would have resulted in the byelection anyway. at least the criminal patterson falling on his sword saved a whole level of expensive bureaucracy. |
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"the 30 day suspension would have triggered a recall election which would have resulted in the byelection anyway. at least the criminal patterson falling on his sword saved a whole level of expensive bureaucracy. "
A recall petition COULD have been called, pending the signatures of 10% of the electorate on said petition. |
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which was inevitable apart from in the fantastical thoughts of a handful of extremist tory right wingers, which is why he jumped before a was forced out under the cloud of criminal proceedings against him. |
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"none of this is about a lib dem revival. it's totally about utterly corrupt utterly useless conservative unionism pandering to far right english nationalists who have embedded themselves in the party. rightly enough the public are saying no more. "
Agreed, not a revival but the increasingly ludicrous Ed Davey thinks it is!
Just a mid term bloody nose. It happens.
As regards your other comments, it's only been 2 years since the landslide Johnson win which was totally about utterly corrupt utterly useless labour unionism pandering to anti-english unpatriotic far lefties who had embedded themselves in the Labour party. Rightly enough the public said no more and consigned useless Jezza to the political dustbin.
I see no evidence of opportunistic, hindsight merchant Starmer doing a 97 Blair type thing. Can't tell what he would do about anything and middle England has no desire to put the increasingly aggressive, bovver boot Rayner type in as deputy PM in 2024.
The tragedy is actually the lack of a decent opposition. |
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