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I just watched keir starmer on marr. First time I've watched it in about 5 years. I used to like keir but what a crock of shit we have as political leaders and opposition. What's happened to them? They are pathetic.
Yes we support the govt measures, because they are in the public interest and yes it's just what we would do... But we would do it better...
In what way would you do it better.? .. Well... We just would. They are very naughty boys and we are better.
I like his decorum and decency and he seems a nice guy but come on keir... Sometimes you've got to stick your head over the wall and make a choice.
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Well he has been calling for them to open the booster for more people. Which they did.
He had kept saying they are not fit to lead with examples. He skewers Johnson at PMQs and points out their law breaking in TV interviews.
What is it you specifically want him to do? |
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"Well he has been calling for them to open the booster for more people. Which they did.
He had kept saying they are not fit to lead with examples. He skewers Johnson at PMQs and points out their law breaking in TV interviews.
What is it you specifically want him to do? "
Well it seems rather disingenuous to say he's not fit to lead and then say we think he's making the right decisions so therefore will vote for them.
I personally think he should trigger a vote of no confidence. Take the gloves off keir. |
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Ok, and when Boris Johnson wins that as he a majority of 80 then what? Starmer has busted his flush and Johnson is backed.
If he loses it then the conservatives vote in someone new who is a new broom and untainted and can blame everything on the previous administration and there is nothing to see here.
It's lose /lose.
At the moment, the longer they leave Johnson there the more people have to back him and are complicit in telling lies to the country. Starmer is just widening the conspiracy. When the Tories eventually knife him in the back Labour have a set of video clips of the new leader backing the old one.
Labour are 9 points clear in the polls. They are backing the virus stuff cos the science backs it up and people don't want Labour being party political with virus restrictions and Starmer has said he trusts the scientists on it so is backing it on that front. The only way to bring these restrictions in is through parliament. If Chris Whitty could do a poll on zoom I'm sure Starmer would prefer that but that's not how our government work. If he wants restrictions he has to vote, on this, with the government |
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"SKS needn't do a thing, as it is more prudent for him not to interupt the tory party while they continue to make a long series of utterly fatal political errors."
I tend to agree.. Hes playing the long game and effectively giving them enough rope. But we can't complain about our democratic process when her majesties opposition isn't opposing. And you can't credibly say on the one hand the govt are making a pigs ear of the pandemic and then in the same breath say.. But we wouldn't be doing anything different. |
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"Well he has been calling for them to open the booster for more people. Which they did.
He had kept saying they are not fit to lead with examples. He skewers Johnson at PMQs and points out their law breaking in TV interviews.
What is it you specifically want him to do?
Well it seems rather disingenuous to say he's not fit to lead and then say we think he's making the right decisions so therefore will vote for them.
I personally think he should trigger a vote of no confidence. Take the gloves off keir. "
Don’t see how that’s disingenuous. He can be correct on a single issue but still be unfit to govern generally. To call a vote of no confidence against the leader of a government sitting on an 80 seat majority would be extremely risky, lose it and your just validating him. Far better to keep turning the screws until he goes by his own volition. Lose North Shropshire this week, he’s toast anyway. |
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"we can't complain about our democratic process when her majesties opposition isn't opposing. And you can't credibly say on the one hand the govt are making a pigs ear of the pandemic and then in the same breath say.. But we wouldn't be doing anything different."
i disagree with the passive aggressive stance you have taken there. |
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"SKS needn't do a thing, as it is more prudent for him not to interupt the tory party while they continue to make a long series of utterly fatal political errors.
I tend to agree.. Hes playing the long game and effectively giving them enough rope. But we can't complain about our democratic process when her majesties opposition isn't opposing. And you can't credibly say on the one hand the govt are making a pigs ear of the pandemic and then in the same breath say.. But we wouldn't be doing anything different."
Well they have set out on multiple occasions what they would do differently.
They have made a mess of the pandemic and killed thousands of people by dithering and delaying.
To vote against these restrictions while saying they should have brought in restrictions would be non sensical. |
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No opposition in the current numbers there are in parliament would think about pushing the vote of no confidence motion, especially when the party in power are in the place they are at present..
And yes the ship could be steadied but it's looking more likely if they lose the by election on Thursday and more comes out about breaking the lockdown/tier regulations, lying to Lord Geidt etc that the letters will go into the 22 committee.. |
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It's one of the more bizarre anomalies of the system, collectively they will all follow the line even if it's commonly held that it's bollocks but when they start being lied to themselves by the executive it's not acceptable.. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Ok, and when Boris Johnson wins that as he a majority of 80 then what? Starmer has busted his flush and Johnson is backed.
If he loses it then the conservatives vote in someone new who is a new broom and untainted and can blame everything on the previous administration and there is nothing to see here.
It's lose /lose.
At the moment, the longer they leave Johnson there the more people have to back him and are complicit in telling lies to the country. Starmer is just widening the conspiracy. When the Tories eventually knife him in the back Labour have a set of video clips of the new leader backing the old one.
Labour are 9 points clear in the polls. They are backing the virus stuff cos the science backs it up and people don't want Labour being party political with virus restrictions and Starmer has said he trusts the scientists on it so is backing it on that front. The only way to bring these restrictions in is through parliament. If Chris Whitty could do a poll on zoom I'm sure Starmer would prefer that but that's not how our government work. If he wants restrictions he has to vote, on this, with the government"
I think your right that ideally for SKS is to leave Boris to continue as he is until the next GE and then nail it. He may not get his ideal scenario though as the Tory party may act before that and remove Boris. A headline in the independent says If he looses the next bi election, and that's quite likely then he could face a leadership challenge |
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"it's a shame tory voters are so very weak and fail to stand up to poor governance. they have the corrupt criminal and wildly economically incompetent government which they deserve.  "
Yes I suppose it is only the tory voters who are so weak and being governed by the countries government. Bless the irony of that comment. |
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"Ok, and when Boris Johnson wins that as he a majority of 80 then what? Starmer has busted his flush and Johnson is backed.
If he loses it then the conservatives vote in someone new who is a new broom and untainted and can blame everything on the previous administration and there is nothing to see here.
It's lose /lose.
At the moment, the longer they leave Johnson there the more people have to back him and are complicit in telling lies to the country. Starmer is just widening the conspiracy. When the Tories eventually knife him in the back Labour have a set of video clips of the new leader backing the old one.
Labour are 9 points clear in the polls. They are backing the virus stuff cos the science backs it up and people don't want Labour being party political with virus restrictions and Starmer has said he trusts the scientists on it so is backing it on that front. The only way to bring these restrictions in is through parliament. If Chris Whitty could do a poll on zoom I'm sure Starmer would prefer that but that's not how our government work. If he wants restrictions he has to vote, on this, with the government
I think your right that ideally for SKS is to leave Boris to continue as he is until the next GE and then nail it. He may not get his ideal scenario though as the Tory party may act before that and remove Boris. A headline in the independent says If he looses the next bi election, and that's quite likely then he could face a leadership challenge "
But who.? Raab? Priti? Rishi? |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Well he has been calling for them to open the booster for more people. Which they did.
He had kept saying they are not fit to lead with examples. He skewers Johnson at PMQs and points out their law breaking in TV interviews.
What is it you specifically want him to do? "
Hand leadership over to Angela Raynor.. wasn't keen on her at first, but in times we need straight talking honesty, she sure as hell calls a spade, a spade..
And, just like me, she is a Stockfordian. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Ok, and when Boris Johnson wins that as he a majority of 80 then what? Starmer has busted his flush and Johnson is backed.
If he loses it then the conservatives vote in someone new who is a new broom and untainted and can blame everything on the previous administration and there is nothing to see here.
It's lose /lose.
At the moment, the longer they leave Johnson there the more people have to back him and are complicit in telling lies to the country. Starmer is just widening the conspiracy. When the Tories eventually knife him in the back Labour have a set of video clips of the new leader backing the old one.
Labour are 9 points clear in the polls. They are backing the virus stuff cos the science backs it up and people don't want Labour being party political with virus restrictions and Starmer has said he trusts the scientists on it so is backing it on that front. The only way to bring these restrictions in is through parliament. If Chris Whitty could do a poll on zoom I'm sure Starmer would prefer that but that's not how our government work. If he wants restrictions he has to vote, on this, with the government
I think your right that ideally for SKS is to leave Boris to continue as he is until the next GE and then nail it. He may not get his ideal scenario though as the Tory party may act before that and remove Boris. A headline in the independent says If he looses the next bi election, and that's quite likely then he could face a leadership challenge
But who.? Raab? Priti? Rishi? "
I'm sure there will be several putting their names forward maybe including the ones you mention. I suspect Gove would be the front runner though that's just a personal opinion |
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"Ok, and when Boris Johnson wins that as he a majority of 80 then what? Starmer has busted his flush and Johnson is backed.
If he loses it then the conservatives vote in someone new who is a new broom and untainted and can blame everything on the previous administration and there is nothing to see here.
It's lose /lose.
At the moment, the longer they leave Johnson there the more people have to back him and are complicit in telling lies to the country. Starmer is just widening the conspiracy. When the Tories eventually knife him in the back Labour have a set of video clips of the new leader backing the old one.
Labour are 9 points clear in the polls. They are backing the virus stuff cos the science backs it up and people don't want Labour being party political with virus restrictions and Starmer has said he trusts the scientists on it so is backing it on that front. The only way to bring these restrictions in is through parliament. If Chris Whitty could do a poll on zoom I'm sure Starmer would prefer that but that's not how our government work. If he wants restrictions he has to vote, on this, with the government
I think your right that ideally for SKS is to leave Boris to continue as he is until the next GE and then nail it. He may not get his ideal scenario though as the Tory party may act before that and remove Boris. A headline in the independent says If he looses the next bi election, and that's quite likely then he could face a leadership challenge
But who.? Raab? Priti? Rishi?
I'm sure there will be several putting their names forward maybe including the ones you mention. I suspect Gove would be the front runner though that's just a personal opinion"
I can see the campaign t shirts now... "no gove, no love" the safe candidate |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Ok, and when Boris Johnson wins that as he a majority of 80 then what? Starmer has busted his flush and Johnson is backed.
If he loses it then the conservatives vote in someone new who is a new broom and untainted and can blame everything on the previous administration and there is nothing to see here.
It's lose /lose.
At the moment, the longer they leave Johnson there the more people have to back him and are complicit in telling lies to the country. Starmer is just widening the conspiracy. When the Tories eventually knife him in the back Labour have a set of video clips of the new leader backing the old one.
Labour are 9 points clear in the polls. They are backing the virus stuff cos the science backs it up and people don't want Labour being party political with virus restrictions and Starmer has said he trusts the scientists on it so is backing it on that front. The only way to bring these restrictions in is through parliament. If Chris Whitty could do a poll on zoom I'm sure Starmer would prefer that but that's not how our government work. If he wants restrictions he has to vote, on this, with the government
I think your right that ideally for SKS is to leave Boris to continue as he is until the next GE and then nail it. He may not get his ideal scenario though as the Tory party may act before that and remove Boris. A headline in the independent says If he looses the next bi election, and that's quite likely then he could face a leadership challenge
But who.? Raab? Priti? Rishi?
I'm sure there will be several putting their names forward maybe including the ones you mention. I suspect Gove would be the front runner though that's just a personal opinion
I can see the campaign t shirts now... "no gove, no love" the safe candidate "
Lol that's pretty good  |
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