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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"*grabs popcorn*
Anyone else want some?
?????? nothing like politics to devise a bored. Nothing new here they’ve been doing it for decades"
True but i dont want to miss the start if it does kick off |
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I don't think any country would be perfect of his mind in declare war to Russia , sometimes ibthink we still living with the myth of the old wars in the past where USA , England mostly as the super power. We are in other times and i do believe we wouldn't have minimum chance against Russia . I think most the times we underestimate Russia , at all levels  |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
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"I don't think any country would be perfect of his mind in declare war to Russia , sometimes ibthink we still living with the myth of the old wars in the past where USA , England mostly as the super power. We are in other times and i do believe we wouldn't have minimum chance against Russia . I think most the times we underestimate Russia , at all levels "
It’s threatening another nation who suffered terribly under Soviet occupation.
It’s partially our business as the Ukraine wants to join NATO.
Russia meddled in the US elections leading to Trump becoming president.
They’ve murdered several people in the U.K. by hideous means.
But of course let’s be all coy and try to be nice.
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over a year ago
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"I don't think any country would be perfect of his mind in declare war to Russia , sometimes ibthink we still living with the myth of the old wars in the past where USA , England mostly as the super power. We are in other times and i do believe we wouldn't have minimum chance against Russia . I think most the times we underestimate Russia , at all levels
It’s threatening another nation who suffered terribly under Soviet occupation.
It’s partially our business as the Ukraine wants to join NATO.
Russia meddled in the US elections leading to Trump becoming president.
They’ve murdered several people in the U.K. by hideous means.
But of course let’s be all coy and try to be nice.
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Ok OP, ill stop being nice. There's a Russian restaurant I know, am going to go round and smash that ASAP.  |
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"I don't think any country would be perfect of his mind in declare war to Russia , sometimes ibthink we still living with the myth of the old wars in the past where USA , England mostly as the super power. We are in other times and i do believe we wouldn't have minimum chance against Russia . I think most the times we underestimate Russia , at all levels
It’s threatening another nation who suffered terribly under Soviet occupation.
It’s partially our business as the Ukraine wants to join NATO.
Russia meddled in the US elections leading to Trump becoming president.
They’ve murdered several people in the U.K. by hideous means.
But of course let’s be all coy and try to be nice.
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I completely agree with you they are threatening another nation and really is difficult times for Ukraine but we all know like you say the reaction will be just that coy and try be nice because the outcome of onother type of reaction can lead to a 3rd world war ! Sadly this is the true!  |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
"I don't think any country would be perfect of his mind in declare war to Russia , sometimes ibthink we still living with the myth of the old wars in the past where USA , England mostly as the super power. We are in other times and i do believe we wouldn't have minimum chance against Russia . I think most the times we underestimate Russia , at all levels
It’s threatening another nation who suffered terribly under Soviet occupation.
It’s partially our business as the Ukraine wants to join NATO.
Russia meddled in the US elections leading to Trump becoming president.
They’ve murdered several people in the U.K. by hideous means.
But of course let’s be all coy and try to be nice.
Ok OP, ill stop being nice. There's a Russian restaurant I know, am going to go round and smash that ASAP. "
Try a Greek one. You can smash the plates and not get arrested…apparently. |
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"We wouldn't stand a chance if Russia starts."
Britain on its own wouldn't, NATO as a whole would give them enough of a kicking to stop them in their tracks, then it would come down to who blinks first with nuclear weapons... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think ee would have to push for much stiffer sanctions against them. How that would affect our gss supply, I'm unsure
Ah yes gas. Wrong time of the year to get it cut off!"
We only get 5% of our gas from Russia. If they take Norway we could have a problem. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I lived in Russia for 9 years and the Russia that is portrayed on western media is not the Russia I recognize there has been anti russian feeling since 1945 all lies"
Now your spoiling the anti-russian mood I was trying to get into.. |
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"Yea . Great people . Great culture . Lovely cities . Great food . Evening night outs . Everything works . Trains run on time and everyone has a seat . Great public transport . And vodka"
There are good features
Can you give us a good Russia story to counter the fact they are literally openly planning to take Ukraine |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
"I was in Russia listening to a stand-up comedian making fun of Putin.
The jokes weren't that good ,but I liked the execution
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I saw a Russian comedian in Moscow. Got dragged off by the Cossacks.. |
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"Yea . Great people . Great culture . Lovely cities . Great food . Evening night outs . Everything works . Trains run on time and everyone has a seat . Great public transport . And vodka
There are good features
Can you give us a good Russia story to counter the fact they are literally openly planning to take Ukraine "
Where did you here that Russia is going to invade Ukraine will never happen more western propaganda |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
"Yea . Great people . Great culture . Lovely cities . Great food . Evening night outs . Everything works . Trains run on time and everyone has a seat . Great public transport . And vodka
There are good features
Can you give us a good Russia story to counter the fact they are literally openly planning to take Ukraine
Where did you here that Russia is going to invade Ukraine will never happen more western propaganda"
They took Crimea. |
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"*grabs popcorn*
Anyone else want some?
?????? nothing like politics to devise a bored. Nothing new here they’ve been doing it for decades"
Maybe... Not sure the art of diplomacy, international relations or global politics has anymore, the ability they once had though. |
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"Yea . Great people . Great culture . Lovely cities . Great food . Evening night outs . Everything works . Trains run on time and everyone has a seat . Great public transport . And vodka
There are good features
Can you give us a good Russia story to counter the fact they are literally openly planning to take Ukraine
Where did you here that Russia is going to invade Ukraine will never happen more western propaganda"
They currently have military stationed at the boarder and have wanted Ukraine for a long time. Access to the Black Sea is very useful for them
But still. Come on, where these good stories? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yea . Great people . Great culture . Lovely cities . Great food . Evening night outs . Everything works . Trains run on time and everyone has a seat . Great public transport . And vodka
There are good features
Can you give us a good Russia story to counter the fact they are literally openly planning to take Ukraine
Where did you here that Russia is going to invade Ukraine will never happen more western propaganda
They took Crimea."
Ya know I was just about to mention the Crimea. That whole frontier is a mess. |
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"Are British and American military not station everywhere but it's ok it's us"
Still no good Russian stories eh?
I’m very good friends with a diplomat that spent most of their career in Russia
They have nothing good to say amour the Russian government
I’ll trust their opinion |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Are British and American military not station everywhere but it's ok it's us
Still no good Russian stories eh?
I’m very good friends with a diplomat that spent most of their career in Russia
They have nothing good to say amour the Russian government
I’ll trust their opinion"
Not very diplomatic of them, maybe a wrong career choice for your friends |
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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago
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"Army massing on Ukrainian border. US warns of retaliation. Putin shrugs his shoulders.
Worried? We should be.."
This happens regularly since the EU pushed their patsy leader on the Ukrainian people in an attempt at expansionism. It's nothing. |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
"Army massing on Ukrainian border. US warns of retaliation. Putin shrugs his shoulders.
Worried? We should be..
This happens regularly since the EU pushed their patsy leader on the Ukrainian people in an attempt at expansionism. It's nothing. "
I think the Ukrainians actually wanted closer EU tied themselves. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"Yea . Great people . Great culture . Lovely cities . Great food . Evening night outs . Everything works . Trains run on time and everyone has a seat . Great public transport . And vodka
There are good features
Can you give us a good Russia story to counter the fact they are literally openly planning to take Ukraine
Where did you here that Russia is going to invade Ukraine will never happen more western propaganda
They took Crimea.
Ya know I was just about to mention the Crimea. That whole frontier is a mess."
The thing with Crimea though, isnt a large proportion of the population ethnically Russian? Didn't they actively support the annexation? |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
"Yea . Great people . Great culture . Lovely cities . Great food . Evening night outs . Everything works . Trains run on time and everyone has a seat . Great public transport . And vodka
There are good features
Can you give us a good Russia story to counter the fact they are literally openly planning to take Ukraine
Where did you here that Russia is going to invade Ukraine will never happen more western propaganda
They took Crimea.
Ya know I was just about to mention the Crimea. That whole frontier is a mess.
The thing with Crimea though, isnt a large proportion of the population ethnically Russian? Didn't they actively support the annexation?"
They did against the will of the larger Ukrainian population. |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
"Yea the UN wonder who runs that corrupted organisation and did they say no to war in Iraq don't remember Bush and Blair taking any notice"
Did Putin say no to nerve agent being used in Salisbury? |
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"Army massing on Ukrainian border. US warns of retaliation. Putin shrugs his shoulders.
Worried? We should be.."
They where 100's of miles away and they were conducting joint exercises with the Belarusian armed forces, all done and dusted they are just moping up and making the field safe. chest puffing by plastic generals. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yea the UN wonder who runs that corrupted organisation and did they say no to war in Iraq don't remember Bush and Blair taking any notice"
Yes but the Iraq public wanted us in. They were supposed to welcome us with flowers. Not start fighting with us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yea . Great people . Great culture . Lovely cities . Great food . Evening night outs . Everything works . Trains run on time and everyone has a seat . Great public transport . And vodka
There are good features
Can you give us a good Russia story to counter the fact they are literally openly planning to take Ukraine
Where did you here that Russia is going to invade Ukraine will never happen more western propaganda
They took Crimea.
Ya know I was just about to mention the Crimea. That whole frontier is a mess.
The thing with Crimea though, isnt a large proportion of the population ethnically Russian? Didn't they actively support the annexation?
They did against the will of the larger Ukrainian population."
So we’re told. It’s one of the peculiar things where 2 different sides have two different stories but neither are wrong and at the same time neither are right.
Like I said, it’s a mess. |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
"Army massing on Ukrainian border. US warns of retaliation. Putin shrugs his shoulders.
Worried? We should be..
They where 100's of miles away and they were conducting joint exercises with the Belarusian armed forces, all done and dusted they are just moping up and making the field safe. chest puffing by plastic generals."
Russia said it had started regular winter military drills in its southern military district, parts of which border Ukraine, and that 10,000 troops had relocated to training grounds across the huge area. Its ally Belarus has also announced joint military drills with Russia on the Ukrainian border. Reuters |
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"Yea the UN wonder who runs that corrupted organisation and did they say no to war in Iraq don't remember Bush and Blair taking any notice
Did Putin say no to nerve agent being used in Salisbury?"
How do you know Putin was involved in that and don't you think the American British and every nation play spy games |
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By *yron69 OP Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
"Yea the UN wonder who runs that corrupted organisation and did they say no to war in Iraq don't remember Bush and Blair taking any notice
Did Putin say no to nerve agent being used in Salisbury?
How do you know Putin was involved in that and don't you think the American British and every nation play spy games"
The chemical is only produced in one factory in USSR. |
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"Yea the UN wonder who runs that corrupted organisation and did they say no to war in Iraq don't remember Bush and Blair taking any notice
Did Putin say no to nerve agent being used in Salisbury?
How do you know Putin was involved in that and don't you think the American British and every nation play spy games
The chemical is only produced in one factory in USSR."
It is a shiet weapons grade chemical though it hardly works. Russians lying again on what they have just like the 1000's of nukes they did not have during the nuclear arms race. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus."
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed. |
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed. "
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed.
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
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What has Georgia and Chechnya got to do with Russias ability to project power across the world? They are both pretty close to Russia, one is in Russia lol. Thats not at distance lol, those are border conflicts. Plus they both went horrifically for Russia and showed them not to be an effective modern military force. |
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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago
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"Isn’t Berwick upon T still ‘officially’ at war with Russia ? Some long ago scuffle that was never settled?"
No, it's one of those stories that's been around for decades but is actually untrue. Sad really, I always liked the idea. |
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed.
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
What has Georgia and Chechnya got to do with Russias ability to project power across the world? They are both pretty close to Russia, one is in Russia lol. Thats not at distance lol, those are border conflicts. Plus they both went horrifically for Russia and showed them not to be an effective modern military force. "
Both the Chechen and Georgian wars demonstrate the Russian capacity to wage all arms wars
I'll take the rest of your post apart tomorrow |
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It's like when the football world cup was in Russia English footballers concern about racism and homophobia not wanting there families to travel as soon as they got to Russia and saw what it was really like they all wanted there families with them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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the West helped in the overthrow the Ukraine government in 2014?ish.,
It also led to a civil war which is unresolved, so we're not entirely squeeky clean
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By (user no longer on site)
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Personally I see it as an American led war (huge fuck up) where other nations get dragged into the fighting for them. Another American foreign policy failure. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Army massing on Ukrainian border. US warns of retaliation. Putin shrugs his shoulders.
Worried? We should be..
This happens regularly since the EU pushed their patsy leader on the Ukrainian people in an attempt at expansionism. It's nothing. "
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed.
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
What has Georgia and Chechnya got to do with Russias ability to project power across the world? They are both pretty close to Russia, one is in Russia lol. Thats not at distance lol, those are border conflicts. Plus they both went horrifically for Russia and showed them not to be an effective modern military force.
Both the Chechen and Georgian wars demonstrate the Russian capacity to wage all arms wars
I'll take the rest of your post apart tomorrow"
Yes and it was poor. Which is why Russia has implemented Ratnik and the move to the AK-12 andd a more professional force
Are you really trying to compare Russia with the US's abilty to turn up with a Carrier group or with Aviation that can touch you anywhere in the world?
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed.
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
What has Georgia and Chechnya got to do with Russias ability to project power across the world? They are both pretty close to Russia, one is in Russia lol. Thats not at distance lol, those are border conflicts. Plus they both went horrifically for Russia and showed them not to be an effective modern military force.
Both the Chechen and Georgian wars demonstrate the Russian capacity to wage all arms wars
I'll take the rest of your post apart tomorrow
Yes and it was poor. Which is why Russia has implemented Ratnik and the move to the AK-12 andd a more professional force
Are you really trying to compare Russia with the US's abilty to turn up with a Carrier group or with Aviation that can touch you anywhere in the world?
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Your premise was that Russia cannot project power. You are the onetrying to draw comparisons between the US and Russia.
Ratnik is an evolution, not a revolution. Network connectivity is an aim of all serious military players.
AK 12 the same, and it's been found to have serious flaws and requires more work and investment.
If you want to see where Russian intent lies you need to look at its development and plans for the Armata.
It's got a carrier in service and plans to have more.
It's air force has global reach.
It has allies and bases around the world.
Don't underestimate their capacity and desire to be a global player again. |
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed.
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
What has Georgia and Chechnya got to do with Russias ability to project power across the world? They are both pretty close to Russia, one is in Russia lol. Thats not at distance lol, those are border conflicts. Plus they both went horrifically for Russia and showed them not to be an effective modern military force.
Both the Chechen and Georgian wars demonstrate the Russian capacity to wage all arms wars
I'll take the rest of your post apart tomorrow
Yes and it was poor. Which is why Russia has implemented Ratnik and the move to the AK-12 andd a more professional force
Are you really trying to compare Russia with the US's abilty to turn up with a Carrier group or with Aviation that can touch you anywhere in the world?
Your premise was that Russia cannot project power. You are the onetrying to draw comparisons between the US and Russia.
Ratnik is an evolution, not a revolution. Network connectivity is an aim of all serious military players.
AK 12 the same, and it's been found to have serious flaws and requires more work and investment.
If you want to see where Russian intent lies you need to look at its development and plans for the Armata.
It's got a carrier in service and plans to have more.
It's air force has global reach.
It has allies and bases around the world.
Don't underestimate their capacity and desire to be a global player again."
Russia can not project power consistently outside its borders. Its Air corp for example has nowhere near the amount of aircraft or logistics personnel compared to the US while having a similar sized force
Ratnik is not just Networking. Its everything from new Helmets like the 6b47 which has NVG mounts ect on.. (even though the protection is only as good as US helmets from the 90's) Ratnik is modernisation. But most of it is only coming up to a standard the west has had since the 2000's ish
The T-14 Armata is a paper tiger. As there is only like 20 pre production models that have finished testing. What has having a new MBT got to do with projecting power across the globe?
Ak-12 has/is being rolled out now. It was picked up in 2017.
The Admiral Kuznetsov is not a "pure" aircraft carrier like the US Nimitz class (US has whole classes of carriers while Russia has one single boat operational) Plus the Nimitz class have unlimited range due to being nuclear
The Admiral Kuznetsov is also set up alot more for defensive action with large amounts of anti shipping and air missles. Which they give space to on the boat instead of planes.. For example a Nimitz can hold up to 130 F/A-18 Hornets, but normally around 90 fixed wing aircraft. The Russian "carrier" holds around 26 Flankers
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed.
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
What has Georgia and Chechnya got to do with Russias ability to project power across the world? They are both pretty close to Russia, one is in Russia lol. Thats not at distance lol, those are border conflicts. Plus they both went horrifically for Russia and showed them not to be an effective modern military force.
Both the Chechen and Georgian wars demonstrate the Russian capacity to wage all arms wars
I'll take the rest of your post apart tomorrow
Yes and it was poor. Which is why Russia has implemented Ratnik and the move to the AK-12 andd a more professional force
Are you really trying to compare Russia with the US's abilty to turn up with a Carrier group or with Aviation that can touch you anywhere in the world?
Your premise was that Russia cannot project power. You are the onetrying to draw comparisons between the US and Russia.
Ratnik is an evolution, not a revolution. Network connectivity is an aim of all serious military players.
AK 12 the same, and it's been found to have serious flaws and requires more work and investment.
If you want to see where Russian intent lies you need to look at its development and plans for the Armata.
It's got a carrier in service and plans to have more.
It's air force has global reach.
It has allies and bases around the world.
Don't underestimate their capacity and desire to be a global player again."
there desire is there but there capability is decades away |
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed.
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
What has Georgia and Chechnya got to do with Russias ability to project power across the world? They are both pretty close to Russia, one is in Russia lol. Thats not at distance lol, those are border conflicts. Plus they both went horrifically for Russia and showed them not to be an effective modern military force.
Both the Chechen and Georgian wars demonstrate the Russian capacity to wage all arms wars
I'll take the rest of your post apart tomorrow
Yes and it was poor. Which is why Russia has implemented Ratnik and the move to the AK-12 andd a more professional force
Are you really trying to compare Russia with the US's abilty to turn up with a Carrier group or with Aviation that can touch you anywhere in the world?
Your premise was that Russia cannot project power. You are the onetrying to draw comparisons between the US and Russia.
Ratnik is an evolution, not a revolution. Network connectivity is an aim of all serious military players.
AK 12 the same, and it's been found to have serious flaws and requires more work and investment.
If you want to see where Russian intent lies you need to look at its development and plans for the Armata.
It's got a carrier in service and plans to have more.
It's air force has global reach.
It has allies and bases around the world.
Don't underestimate their capacity and desire to be a global player again.there desire is there but there capability is decades away "
They have enough capacity to inflict major pain across the globe.
They are also very good at asymmetric warfare.
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"Why should we be worried about a military that cant really project its power more than a 1000ish miles?
You need to update your Google maps then check the distance from Moscow to Damascus.
They can’t inflict pain across the globe and defend there country they have one old carrier and there aconamy can’t sustain it either
Thats different. They could never do that on a large scale. Thats why they rotate units in and out as Syria is just used as training and testing for the Ratnik program. A Russian general even said "its cheaper to send troops to Syria, than it is to hold training operations here"
The Russian doctrine and purpose of its Military is mainly defense of its borders and small pushes to annex territory. The USA on the hand is a Military that is built for global power projection on a massive scale if needed.
Yes the people of the Chechen republic said the Russians couldn't mount an operation at distance, as did Georgia.
What has Georgia and Chechnya got to do with Russias ability to project power across the world? They are both pretty close to Russia, one is in Russia lol. Thats not at distance lol, those are border conflicts. Plus they both went horrifically for Russia and showed them not to be an effective modern military force.
Both the Chechen and Georgian wars demonstrate the Russian capacity to wage all arms wars
I'll take the rest of your post apart tomorrow
Yes and it was poor. Which is why Russia has implemented Ratnik and the move to the AK-12 andd a more professional force
Are you really trying to compare Russia with the US's abilty to turn up with a Carrier group or with Aviation that can touch you anywhere in the world?
Your premise was that Russia cannot project power. You are the onetrying to draw comparisons between the US and Russia.
Ratnik is an evolution, not a revolution. Network connectivity is an aim of all serious military players.
AK 12 the same, and it's been found to have serious flaws and requires more work and investment.
If you want to see where Russian intent lies you need to look at its development and plans for the Armata.
It's got a carrier in service and plans to have more.
It's air force has global reach.
It has allies and bases around the world.
Don't underestimate their capacity and desire to be a global player again.there desire is there but there capability is decades away
They have enough capacity to inflict major pain across the globe.
They are also very good at asymmetric warfare.
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