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I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books. |
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?"
What makes you think anyone would object to any? |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books."
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?
What makes you think anyone would object to any? "
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?
What makes you think anyone would object to any?
Dominic Raab"
You may not like him but he’s no Hitler. Perhaps it’s the interpretation by lawyers that needs looking at? |
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?
What makes you think anyone would object to any?
Dominic Raab
You may not like him but he’s no Hitler. Perhaps it’s the interpretation by lawyers that needs looking at? "
Not really, any interpretation put forward by a lawyer eventually gets tested by a court.
You are correct Raab is not Hitler, he seems less competent. |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books.
He says, freely expressing his opinions."
Yes freely expressing mine. But do you think that left wing thugs "no platforming" anyone with a different opinion to theirs in Britain's once great universities is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that J.K Rowling's treatment by the Trans lobby is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that anyone who disagrees with mass immigration being shouted down as a racist is freedom of expression and opinion?
Freedom of expression and opinion is only allowed when the left wing mob say so.
Let's see how long this thread goes before the name calling starts.
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books.
He says, freely expressing his opinions.
Yes freely expressing mine. But do you think that left wing thugs "no platforming" anyone with a different opinion to theirs in Britain's once great universities is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that J.K Rowling's treatment by the Trans lobby is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that anyone who disagrees with mass immigration being shouted down as a racist is freedom of expression and opinion?
Freedom of expression and opinion is only allowed when the left wing mob say so.
Let's see how long this thread goes before the name calling starts.
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I genuinely lol'd at your post, sorry, a tad impolite.
Left wing thugs, straight out of the 1970's union bashing view of the world.
Did you say the same when Thatcher no platformed the IRA, or when the BBC no platformed Moseley in the 40's?
JK Rowling freely expressed her opinions and lordy lordy people freely expressed theirs as a response.
The mass immigration line is laughable. Now this going to shock you, but some people opposed to mass immigration are racist. Some, not all.
You seem to be arguing for the human rights act, which is positive and welcome.  |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books.
He says, freely expressing his opinions.
Yes freely expressing mine. But do you think that left wing thugs "no platforming" anyone with a different opinion to theirs in Britain's once great universities is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that J.K Rowling's treatment by the Trans lobby is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that anyone who disagrees with mass immigration being shouted down as a racist is freedom of expression and opinion?
Freedom of expression and opinion is only allowed when the left wing mob say so.
Let's see how long this thread goes before the name calling starts.
I genuinely lol'd at your post, sorry, a tad impolite.
Left wing thugs, straight out of the 1970's union bashing view of the world.
Did you say the same when Thatcher no platformed the IRA, or when the BBC no platformed Moseley in the 40's?
JK Rowling freely expressed her opinions and lordy lordy people freely expressed theirs as a response.
The mass immigration line is laughable. Now this going to shock you, but some people opposed to mass immigration are racist. Some, not all.
You seem to be arguing for the human rights act, which is positive and welcome. "
Thuggish behaviour is thuggish behaviour, no matter in which decade.
There is one hell of a difference between no platforming a terrorist group who were killing innocent people (including children) and a speaker who has a different opinion. Now that comparison really is laughable.
OK I wasn't around at the time but I'm pretty sure Britain was at war and fighting for its very existence when Moseley was around. An even more laughable a comparison than your first.
As for being shouted down as racist you don't have to look far to find evidence of it on here. I know I've been called it many times. That's before we get on about the sewer that is Twitter. |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books.
He says, freely expressing his opinions.
Yes freely expressing mine. But do you think that left wing thugs "no platforming" anyone with a different opinion to theirs in Britain's once great universities is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that J.K Rowling's treatment by the Trans lobby is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that anyone who disagrees with mass immigration being shouted down as a racist is freedom of expression and opinion?
Freedom of expression and opinion is only allowed when the left wing mob say so.
Let's see how long this thread goes before the name calling starts.
I genuinely lol'd at your post, sorry, a tad impolite.
Left wing thugs, straight out of the 1970's union bashing view of the world.
Did you say the same when Thatcher no platformed the IRA, or when the BBC no platformed Moseley in the 40's?
JK Rowling freely expressed her opinions and lordy lordy people freely expressed theirs as a response.
The mass immigration line is laughable. Now this going to shock you, but some people opposed to mass immigration are racist. Some, not all.
You seem to be arguing for the human rights act, which is positive and welcome.
Thuggish behaviour is thuggish behaviour, no matter in which decade.
There is one hell of a difference between no platforming a terrorist group who were killing innocent people (including children) and a speaker who has a different opinion. Now that comparison really is laughable.
OK I wasn't around at the time but I'm pretty sure Britain was at war and fighting for its very existence when Moseley was around. An even more laughable a comparison than your first.
As for being shouted down as racist you don't have to look far to find evidence of it on here. I know I've been called it many times. That's before we get on about the sewer that is Twitter."
No, freedom of expression was your point, if it's constrained it is not free. It really is that simple.
Do you only want freedom of expression for people who agree with you?
I can't comment on why people have called you racist. |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books.
He says, freely expressing his opinions.
Yes freely expressing mine. But do you think that left wing thugs "no platforming" anyone with a different opinion to theirs in Britain's once great universities is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that J.K Rowling's treatment by the Trans lobby is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that anyone who disagrees with mass immigration being shouted down as a racist is freedom of expression and opinion?
Freedom of expression and opinion is only allowed when the left wing mob say so.
Let's see how long this thread goes before the name calling starts.
I genuinely lol'd at your post, sorry, a tad impolite.
Left wing thugs, straight out of the 1970's union bashing view of the world.
Did you say the same when Thatcher no platformed the IRA, or when the BBC no platformed Moseley in the 40's?
JK Rowling freely expressed her opinions and lordy lordy people freely expressed theirs as a response.
The mass immigration line is laughable. Now this going to shock you, but some people opposed to mass immigration are racist. Some, not all.
You seem to be arguing for the human rights act, which is positive and welcome.
Thuggish behaviour is thuggish behaviour, no matter in which decade.
There is one hell of a difference between no platforming a terrorist group who were killing innocent people (including children) and a speaker who has a different opinion. Now that comparison really is laughable.
OK I wasn't around at the time but I'm pretty sure Britain was at war and fighting for its very existence when Moseley was around. An even more laughable a comparison than your first.
As for being shouted down as racist you don't have to look far to find evidence of it on here. I know I've been called it many times. That's before we get on about the sewer that is Twitter.
No, freedom of expression was your point, if it's constrained it is not free. It really is that simple.
Do you only want freedom of expression for people who agree with you?
I can't comment on why people have called you racist."
No. It really isn't that simple.
If you cannot see the difference between child killers and someone with a different political viewpoint then I can say no more.
BTW. Once they gave up killing children they were afforded platforms in most (if not all) media outlets. Even though many people disagreed with their politics. |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books.
He says, freely expressing his opinions.
Yes freely expressing mine. But do you think that left wing thugs "no platforming" anyone with a different opinion to theirs in Britain's once great universities is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that J.K Rowling's treatment by the Trans lobby is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that anyone who disagrees with mass immigration being shouted down as a racist is freedom of expression and opinion?
Freedom of expression and opinion is only allowed when the left wing mob say so.
Let's see how long this thread goes before the name calling starts.
I genuinely lol'd at your post, sorry, a tad impolite.
Left wing thugs, straight out of the 1970's union bashing view of the world.
Did you say the same when Thatcher no platformed the IRA, or when the BBC no platformed Moseley in the 40's?
JK Rowling freely expressed her opinions and lordy lordy people freely expressed theirs as a response.
The mass immigration line is laughable. Now this going to shock you, but some people opposed to mass immigration are racist. Some, not all.
You seem to be arguing for the human rights act, which is positive and welcome.
Thuggish behaviour is thuggish behaviour, no matter in which decade.
There is one hell of a difference between no platforming a terrorist group who were killing innocent people (including children) and a speaker who has a different opinion. Now that comparison really is laughable.
OK I wasn't around at the time but I'm pretty sure Britain was at war and fighting for its very existence when Moseley was around. An even more laughable a comparison than your first.
As for being shouted down as racist you don't have to look far to find evidence of it on here. I know I've been called it many times. That's before we get on about the sewer that is Twitter.
No, freedom of expression was your point, if it's constrained it is not free. It really is that simple.
Do you only want freedom of expression for people who agree with you?
I can't comment on why people have called you racist.
No. It really isn't that simple.
If you cannot see the difference between child killers and someone with a different political viewpoint then I can say no more.
BTW. Once they gave up killing children they were afforded platforms in most (if not all) media outlets. Even though many people disagreed with their politics."
Yes it is that simple.
You either have freedom of expression, which means anyone can say anything they like, even if you find it personally offensive, or you don't.
If your line in the sand is many people don't agree with their politics then I struggle to think of any political party that would get air time.
But don't worry Patel is doing her best to ensure that dissenting voices get shut down. |
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?"
Such a loaded question it makes you wonder how the UK survived prior to 1998..! |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books."
which bits in particular? |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books.
He says, freely expressing his opinions.
Yes freely expressing mine. But do you think that left wing thugs "no platforming" anyone with a different opinion to theirs in Britain's once great universities is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that J.K Rowling's treatment by the Trans lobby is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that anyone who disagrees with mass immigration being shouted down as a racist is freedom of expression and opinion?
Freedom of expression and opinion is only allowed when the left wing mob say so.
Let's see how long this thread goes before the name calling starts.
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"No platforming" - utter tosh! Show me somebody that says they have been "no platformed", who has actually been denied a voice. These unpleasant people seem to assume that they have an automatic right to say whatever they want, wherever they want, to whoever they like, but nobody has any right to reply to them.
If I demanded to stand in your front room and say unpleasant things about you, you would rightly tell me to fuck off. But when some racist wants to come into a university and spout their insults at the students who live there, if the students object you say they are "no platforming" the racist.
Newsflash: Your right of freedom of expression does not override somebody elses rights. It does not allow you to invade their private space. It does not force them to listen to you. It does not stop them saying things back to you.
Funny how the cry of "I've been no platformed" always occurs on the front pages of newspapers (a platform), on social media accounts with millions of followers (a platform), on tv news programmes (a platform), in the house of commons (a platform).
"No platforming" - my arse!! |
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"I don't object to any of its principles but the current EU version is not only wide open to abuse, it regularly is abused. As it stands it just isn't fit for purpose.
However these days it's the parts that are being ignored by some elements of the hard left and various pressure groups that I find more disturbing.
Freedom of expression and opinion is now consigned to the history books.
He says, freely expressing his opinions.
Yes freely expressing mine. But do you think that left wing thugs "no platforming" anyone with a different opinion to theirs in Britain's once great universities is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that J.K Rowling's treatment by the Trans lobby is freedom of expression and opinion?
Do you think that anyone who disagrees with mass immigration being shouted down as a racist is freedom of expression and opinion?
Freedom of expression and opinion is only allowed when the left wing mob say so.
Let's see how long this thread goes before the name calling starts.
"No platforming" - utter tosh! Show me somebody that says they have been "no platformed", who has actually been denied a voice. These unpleasant people seem to assume that they have an automatic right to say whatever they want, wherever they want, to whoever they like, but nobody has any right to reply to them.
If I demanded to stand in your front room and say unpleasant things about you, you would rightly tell me to fuck off. But when some racist wants to come into a university and spout their insults at the students who live there, if the students object you say they are "no platforming" the racist.
Newsflash: Your right of freedom of expression does not override somebody elses rights. It does not allow you to invade their private space. It does not force them to listen to you. It does not stop them saying things back to you.
Funny how the cry of "I've been no platformed" always occurs on the front pages of newspapers (a platform), on social media accounts with millions of followers (a platform), on tv news programmes (a platform), in the house of commons (a platform).
"No platforming" - my arse!!"
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?"
Clearly these days it needs updating to include responsibilities. Clearly not included as you would not get murderers exercising their rights to life and liberty after being found guilty of horrendous murders.
Human rights should come with human responsibilities. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?
Clearly these days it needs updating to include responsibilities. Clearly not included as you would not get murderers exercising their rights to life and liberty after being found guilty of horrendous murders.
Human rights should come with human responsibilities. "
Just what I was thinking too. Fortunately I don't think the right to express opinion is completely free. You can't express opinion that would incite violence for instance so sometimes this right or law us overridden by other laws |
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It all sounds nice and simple until one's rights and liberty offends someone else's.
Freedom of opinion and expression - Can someone openly make racist remarks in the name of freedom of expression?
Right to life and liberty - Can a criminal expect right to liberty?
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"It all sounds nice and simple until one's rights and liberty offends someone else's.
Freedom of opinion and expression - Can someone openly make racist remarks in the name of freedom of expression?
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My opinion is, yes, but then others have a right to be critical of the racism. Freedom of speech and expression is not only applicable to racists, bigots etc.
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Right to life and liberty - Can a criminal expect right to liberty?
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The law of the country temporarily or permanently removes the right of liberty for certain crimes. We don't have a perfect criminal justice system. But it's an important part of society. Personally I don't think the death penalty is appropriate, that's another debate. |
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?"
If education is basic human right then why is it business here, fees and what about the ppl who want this right but they cannot pay or willing to pay using Student finance end up with loads of loan on the shoulder beofre starting the new role with minimum wage |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from 5lavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education.
Which one do you object to?"
You forgot one:
The Right to a 'private life', which is what those who refuse to wear a mask are hiding behind when asked to prove exemption.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Surely as a flesh and blood human being with a soul you have undeniable rights,
Unless you agree and consent to something else.  "
No as mentioned you don't have the right to incite violence. As others said you don't have the right to liberty if you break the law. So your rights are in a way tied to your behaviour |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
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"but the current EU version"
Just one thing though - but correct me if I'm wrong:
Surely "Human Rights" has got nothing to do with the EU? My understanding is that it's a ECHR/Council of Europe affair with liberal and tolerant signatories such as Albania, Turkey and Azerbaijan! It was prudent, though, to cherry-pick some of its protocols into UK law so that prosecutions and appeals are argued domestically rather than in an international forum. |
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