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"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. " Sounds like a plan | |||
"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. Sounds like a plan" We now have grown ups dealing with the situation, promising | |||
"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. Sounds like a plan We now have grown ups dealing with the situation, promising " Which grown ups are these? | |||
"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. brilliant hope they do then we can definitely send gun boats to either shoot the boats or force them back let the french pick the bodies up  "Laughing/smiling about people dying. A new low for this forum? | |||
"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. brilliant hope they do then we can definitely send gun boats to either shoot the boats or force them back let the french pick the bodies up
Laughing/smiling about people dying.
A new low for this forum?"the reply was as silly as the op | |||
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"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. brilliant hope they do then we can definitely send gun boats to either shoot the boats or force them back let the french pick the bodies up
Laughing/smiling about people dying.
A new low for this forum?the reply was as silly as the op "Yep seems some believed the original post  unbelievable. | |||
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"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. " PMSL, it will take them years to act on whatever they decide even if they do come to a decision. It will just be a load more hot air without action just like it is from the UK side. | |||
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"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. brilliant hope they do then we can definitely send gun boats to either shoot the boats or force them back let the french pick the bodies up "Wow, that is pathetic | |||
"The truth is the eu dont want them an the uk dont want them, economic migrants, or they have f...ed there own country lets go somewhere with free healthcare etc etc and in that lot will be the odd terrorist just been said that 3000, afhans now have permanent housing in uk so much for waiting on council list" Exactly its a game of who's paying the bill..... and you don't even get to drill for oil  | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in." Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem. | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem." Ever thought of standing as an MP? | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem." It's easy to say "I am compassionate and so should you." The immediate question about taking many immigrants is who pays for them? Apparently letting them live in military barracks is not a great idea because it's not comfortable for them. Are you willing to pay for all the expenses personally? | |||
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"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem." I think he has a point, people will get pissed off and you calling them names won't change that, historically its a proven recipe for disaster.  | |||
"Wanting to protect a country's borders and control its immigration is not being racist. It's hard to have debates with people who can't even fathom this basic thing."  | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem. I think he has a point, people will get pissed off and you calling them names won't change that, historically its a proven recipe for disaster. "Exactly. The liberals have burnt their hands multiple times by doing this. They think that calling people names and acting like they are the guardians of altruism while condescending others would some how get the others to vote in their favour. Until they learn to have a rational debate, the country will vote to the right while these people cry in social media about how democracy let them down. | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem. I think he has a point, people will get pissed off and you calling them names won't change that, historically its a proven recipe for disaster.
Exactly. The liberals have burnt their hands multiple times by doing this. They think that calling people names and acting like they are the guardians of altruism while condescending others would some how get the others to vote in their favour. Until they learn to have a rational debate, the country will vote to the right while these people cry in social media about how democracy let them down."When nick Griffin was on question time a black guy stood up and told the other mps that it's their fault he is in the room, they have allowed him to gain votes! Nothing changes | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem. I think he has a point, people will get pissed off and you calling them names won't change that, historically its a proven recipe for disaster.
Exactly. The liberals have burnt their hands multiple times by doing this. They think that calling people names and acting like they are the guardians of altruism while condescending others would some how get the others to vote in their favour. Until they learn to have a rational debate, the country will vote to the right while these people cry in social media about how democracy let them down.
When nick Griffin was on question time a black guy stood up and told the other mps that it's their fault he is in the room, they have allowed him to gain votes! Nothing changes " | |||
"Wanting to protect a country's borders and control its immigration is not being racist. It's hard to have debates with people who can't even fathom this basic thing." Tell me - how did you arrange to be born here? How can you have pride in something that you had absolutely no say or influence in? “Controlling our borders against invaders” is childlike in its immaturity. Especially if you can’t even understand that we as a nation were more than a little complicit in the root cause. You can think what you want about your strong patriotic roots, but I would prefer to see the bigger picture and take responsibility for our actions. Don’t you even see that Politicians throughout history in this country have chosen to deflect responsibilities for their own actions by blaming someone else. We bomb a country - we are obligated to deal with the consequences. That is not really a hard concept to understand is it? | |||
"Wanting to protect a country's borders and control its immigration is not being racist. It's hard to have debates with people who can't even fathom this basic thing. Tell me - how did you arrange to be born here? How can you have pride in something that you had absolutely no say or influence in? “Controlling our borders against invaders” is childlike in its immaturity. Especially if you can’t even understand that we as a nation were more than a little complicit in the root cause. You can think what you want about your strong patriotic roots, but I would prefer to see the bigger picture and take responsibility for our actions. Don’t you even see that Politicians throughout history in this country have chosen to deflect responsibilities for their own actions by blaming someone else. We bomb a country - we are obligated to deal with the consequences. That is not really a hard concept to understand is it?" What's childish is ignoring every practical factor, can an island with over 60 million even feed itself.. on a basic level, you wouldnt over fill a dog kennel! The idea you can just keep filling an area without consequences is the naive view point  | |||
"Wanting to protect a country's borders and control its immigration is not being racist. It's hard to have debates with people who can't even fathom this basic thing. Tell me - how did you arrange to be born here? How can you have pride in something that you had absolutely no say or influence in? “Controlling our borders against invaders” is childlike in its immaturity. Especially if you can’t even understand that we as a nation were more than a little complicit in the root cause. You can think what you want about your strong patriotic roots, but I would prefer to see the bigger picture and take responsibility for our actions. Don’t you even see that Politicians throughout history in this country have chosen to deflect responsibilities for their own actions by blaming someone else. We bomb a country - we are obligated to deal with the consequences. That is not really a hard concept to understand is it?" First of all, not all people are doing this because of nationalism or national pride, though it plays a pary for few people. The problem is a matter of economics. For a social democracy to survive, there must be a strong balance between number of people contributing to the welfare and number of people consuming welfare. There is obviously a limit on number of refugees the country can take and provide support without screwing up its own people. Opening the arms and welcoming them all looks good for photographs but reality will be a big mess. There is a book "Future of capitalism" written by Paul Collier where he gives a good take on this situation. Long story short, taking all the refugees to Europe will workout bad for both Europe and the countries where the refugees are fleeing from. The western countries do have a duty to help them. The right long term solution is for them to invest in these countries by building industries and training the people there to be able to take up job in these industries. It is relatively less expensive and sets up those countries for future success. While the left keeps focusing on "humanity and kindness" without any thought about practical difficulties, the right gains political mileage by exploiting the situation. | |||
"Wanting to protect a country's borders and control its immigration is not being racist. It's hard to have debates with people who can't even fathom this basic thing. Tell me - how did you arrange to be born here? How can you have pride in something that you had absolutely no say or influence in? “Controlling our borders against invaders” is childlike in its immaturity. Especially if you can’t even understand that we as a nation were more than a little complicit in the root cause. You can think what you want about your strong patriotic roots, but I would prefer to see the bigger picture and take responsibility for our actions. Don’t you even see that Politicians throughout history in this country have chosen to deflect responsibilities for their own actions by blaming someone else. We bomb a country - we are obligated to deal with the consequences. That is not really a hard concept to understand is it? What's childish is ignoring every practical factor, can an island with over 60 million even feed itself.. on a basic level, you wouldnt over fill a dog kennel! The idea you can just keep filling an area without consequences is the naive view point "Then the people in power need to think before they start bombing countries and creating long-lasting secondary effects. I would draw your attention (and the other one dimensional angry personalities) to the latest House of Commons Library paper on Asylum statistics (Google it). It makes sobering reading when you consider that our own war/mongering actions had so much to do with this situation. | |||
"Wanting to protect a country's borders and control its immigration is not being racist. It's hard to have debates with people who can't even fathom this basic thing. Tell me - how did you arrange to be born here? How can you have pride in something that you had absolutely no say or influence in? “Controlling our borders against invaders” is childlike in its immaturity. Especially if you can’t even understand that we as a nation were more than a little complicit in the root cause. You can think what you want about your strong patriotic roots, but I would prefer to see the bigger picture and take responsibility for our actions. Don’t you even see that Politicians throughout history in this country have chosen to deflect responsibilities for their own actions by blaming someone else. We bomb a country - we are obligated to deal with the consequences. That is not really a hard concept to understand is it? First of all, not all people are doing this because of nationalism or national pride, though it plays a pary for few people. The problem is a matter of economics. For a social democracy to survive, there must be a strong balance between number of people contributing to the welfare and number of people consuming welfare. There is obviously a limit on number of refugees the country can take and provide support without screwing up its own people. Opening the arms and welcoming them all looks good for photographs but reality will be a big mess. There is a book "Future of capitalism" written by Paul Collier where he gives a good take on this situation. Long story short, taking all the refugees to Europe will workout bad for both Europe and the countries where the refugees are fleeing from. The western countries do have a duty to help them. The right long term solution is for them to invest in these countries by building industries and training the people there to be able to take up job in these industries. It is relatively less expensive and sets up those countries for future success. While the left keeps focusing on "humanity and kindness" without any thought about practical difficulties, the right gains political mileage by exploiting the situation." This country took in the Ugandan Asian Refugees be the Vietnamese Boat People against many of the same arguments, and their eventual success ought to be embarrassing to the ideological zealots who are pushing out the same tropes today. | |||
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"And by the way, just as an aside… Wait until the full effects of climate change (man made or otherwise) start to impact the globe. There will literally be tens of millions on the move. We might as well get used to the fact that refugees from war, persecution, famine and drought will be roaming the planet in search of security for decades to come. We can’t just turn our back." Too many people on the planet some might say, including Mr Attenborough | |||
" There is a book "Future of capitalism" written by Paul Collier where he gives a good take on this situation. Long story short, taking all the refugees to Europe will workout bad for both Europe and the countries where the refugees are fleeing from. The western countries do have a duty to help them. The right long term solution is for them to invest in these countries by building industries and training the people there to be able to take up job in these industries. It is relatively less expensive and sets up those countries for future success. While the left keeps focusing on "humanity and kindness" without any thought about practical difficulties, the right gains political mileage by exploiting the situation. This country took in the Ugandan Asian Refugees be the Vietnamese Boat People against many of the same arguments, and their eventual success ought to be embarrassing to the ideological zealots who are pushing out the same tropes today." Lots of problems with this kind of argument. Something that worked in 1970s will not work as-is in the current economy. For one thing, the Ugandan Asians and Vietnamese people didn't have a smooth life here. Housing was a big problem then and many did not have accomodation. Would you be fine if the current asylum seekers can also be left to fend for themselves without accommodation? And net migration limits existed then too. Extract from wikipedia about the crisis; Reluctant to expand its newly introduced immigration quota, the British government had sought agreement from some of its remaining overseas territories (including Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, British Honduras, Hong Kong, Seychelles and the Solomon Islands) to resettle them; however, only the Falkland Islands responded positively.[19] Kenya and Tanzania similarly closed their borders with Uganda to prevent an influx of refugees.[4] It's practically impossible for any country to just open up its border to all the refugees. | |||
"Members of the EU representing those countries affected by the migrant issue are to hold a high level meeting on Sunday to resolve the migrant crisis for the UK. Various options are to be discussed including the scrapping of a treaty between France and the UK which has been in place since 2003 and aids in reducing migrant numbers crossing through means such as lorries, ferries, cars and on foot. Another option being considered is to cease patrols on the beaches and therefore allow migrants to take less risk with flimsy craft when crossing to the UK. Britain is, like all other European countries Sovereign and wants to control it's own borders. Allowing Britain to do so without other countries doing this for them appears to be what the UK goverment prefers. It is likely the outcome of these talks will be passed to the UK Prime Minister for information after being released, in full to a number of media outlets including Facebook and Twitter. It is accepted that those migrants who want to apply for asylum in the UK are the UK's responsibility and, as per International Law, these migrants have every right to come to the UK and apply for asylum through the correct channels. At no time has it been mooted that troops from Framce, Belgium or the Netherlands should be placed on British soil to aid the British in processing what is effectively their problem. brilliant hope they do then we can definitely send gun boats to either shoot the boats or force them back let the french pick the bodies up "In what world would that actually be allowed? | |||
" There is a book "Future of capitalism" written by Paul Collier where he gives a good take on this situation. Long story short, taking all the refugees to Europe will workout bad for both Europe and the countries where the refugees are fleeing from. The western countries do have a duty to help them. The right long term solution is for them to invest in these countries by building industries and training the people there to be able to take up job in these industries. It is relatively less expensive and sets up those countries for future success. While the left keeps focusing on "humanity and kindness" without any thought about practical difficulties, the right gains political mileage by exploiting the situation. This country took in the Ugandan Asian Refugees be the Vietnamese Boat People against many of the same arguments, and their eventual success ought to be embarrassing to the ideological zealots who are pushing out the same tropes today. Lots of problems with this kind of argument. Something that worked in 1970s will not work as-is in the current economy. For one thing, the Ugandan Asians and Vietnamese people didn't have a smooth life here. Housing was a big problem then and many did not have accomodation. Would you be fine if the current asylum seekers can also be left to fend for themselves without accommodation? And net migration limits existed then too. Extract from wikipedia about the crisis; Reluctant to expand its newly introduced immigration quota, the British government had sought agreement from some of its remaining overseas territories (including Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, British Honduras, Hong Kong, Seychelles and the Solomon Islands) to resettle them; however, only the Falkland Islands responded positively.[19] Kenya and Tanzania similarly closed their borders with Uganda to prevent an influx of refugees.[4] It's practically impossible for any country to just open up its border to all the refugees." No one is suggesting that we completely open our borders to all refugees but when France, Germany and Greece take in a combined 10 or 20 times more than we do - does that make them stupid for helping desperate and deprived people? It is not a demonstration of strength that we allow women and children to die in the sea because of an ideological unwillingness to accept responsibility for our prior war mongering. | |||
" There is a book "Future of capitalism" written by Paul Collier where he gives a good take on this situation. Long story short, taking all the refugees to Europe will workout bad for both Europe and the countries where the refugees are fleeing from. The western countries do have a duty to help them. The right long term solution is for them to invest in these countries by building industries and training the people there to be able to take up job in these industries. It is relatively less expensive and sets up those countries for future success. While the left keeps focusing on "humanity and kindness" without any thought about practical difficulties, the right gains political mileage by exploiting the situation. This country took in the Ugandan Asian Refugees be the Vietnamese Boat People against many of the same arguments, and their eventual success ought to be embarrassing to the ideological zealots who are pushing out the same tropes today. Lots of problems with this kind of argument. Something that worked in 1970s will not work as-is in the current economy. For one thing, the Ugandan Asians and Vietnamese people didn't have a smooth life here. Housing was a big problem then and many did not have accomodation. Would you be fine if the current asylum seekers can also be left to fend for themselves without accommodation? And net migration limits existed then too. Extract from wikipedia about the crisis; Reluctant to expand its newly introduced immigration quota, the British government had sought agreement from some of its remaining overseas territories (including Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, British Honduras, Hong Kong, Seychelles and the Solomon Islands) to resettle them; however, only the Falkland Islands responded positively.[19] Kenya and Tanzania similarly closed their borders with Uganda to prevent an influx of refugees.[4] It's practically impossible for any country to just open up its border to all the refugees. No one is suggesting that we completely open our borders to all refugees but when France, Germany and Greece take in a combined 10 or 20 times more than we do - does that make them stupid for helping desperate and deprived people? It is not a demonstration of strength that we allow women and children to die in the sea because of an ideological unwillingness to accept responsibility for our prior war mongering. " It's not like those countries are welcoming refugees. They just don't have a choice. Situation of refugees in France for example: https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news-feature/behind-the-housing-crisis-for-asylum-seekers-in-france And don't even get me started on the refugee camps in Greece. All those countries are treating refugees as a problem. No one is welcoming everyone. | |||
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"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything! "Finally | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything! "So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it. Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019? | |||
" There is a book "Future of capitalism" written by Paul Collier where he gives a good take on this situation. Long story short, taking all the refugees to Europe will workout bad for both Europe and the countries where the refugees are fleeing from. The western countries do have a duty to help them. The right long term solution is for them to invest in these countries by building industries and training the people there to be able to take up job in these industries. It is relatively less expensive and sets up those countries for future success. While the left keeps focusing on "humanity and kindness" without any thought about practical difficulties, the right gains political mileage by exploiting the situation. This country took in the Ugandan Asian Refugees be the Vietnamese Boat People against many of the same arguments, and their eventual success ought to be embarrassing to the ideological zealots who are pushing out the same tropes today. Lots of problems with this kind of argument. Something that worked in 1970s will not work as-is in the current economy. For one thing, the Ugandan Asians and Vietnamese people didn't have a smooth life here. Housing was a big problem then and many did not have accomodation. Would you be fine if the current asylum seekers can also be left to fend for themselves without accommodation? And net migration limits existed then too. Extract from wikipedia about the crisis; Reluctant to expand its newly introduced immigration quota, the British government had sought agreement from some of its remaining overseas territories (including Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, British Honduras, Hong Kong, Seychelles and the Solomon Islands) to resettle them; however, only the Falkland Islands responded positively.[19] Kenya and Tanzania similarly closed their borders with Uganda to prevent an influx of refugees.[4] It's practically impossible for any country to just open up its border to all the refugees. No one is suggesting that we completely open our borders to all refugees but when France, Germany and Greece take in a combined 10 or 20 times more than we do - does that make them stupid for helping desperate and deprived people? It is not a demonstration of strength that we allow women and children to die in the sea because of an ideological unwillingness to accept responsibility for our prior war mongering. It's not like those countries are welcoming refugees. They just don't have a choice. Situation of refugees in France for example: https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news-feature/behind-the-housing-crisis-for-asylum-seekers-in-france And don't even get me started on the refugee camps in Greece. All those countries are treating refugees as a problem. No one is welcoming everyone. " Ok but Europe is very much now “unhappy” with the refugee status because the United States and the U.K. were very much the instigators of the problem and both those countries now want to wash their hands of the consequences. | |||
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"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem. It's easy to say "I am compassionate and so should you." The immediate question about taking many immigrants is who pays for them? Apparently letting them live in military barracks is not a great idea because it's not comfortable for them. Are you willing to pay for all the expenses personally?" Stupid question | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem. It's easy to say "I am compassionate and so should you." The immediate question about taking many immigrants is who pays for them? Apparently letting them live in military barracks is not a great idea because it's not comfortable for them. Are you willing to pay for all the expenses personally?" This country is short of workers. These people want to work and make an honest living. They are not asking for charity, they are asking for what we owe them - a chance to make a new life after we fucked the old one by fighting our wars in their countries. | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem. It's easy to say "I am compassionate and so should you." The immediate question about taking many immigrants is who pays for them? Apparently letting them live in military barracks is not a great idea because it's not comfortable for them. Are you willing to pay for all the expenses personally? Stupid question " Never have I ever seen such a wonderfully thoughtful and clever response in a debate. | |||
"These things would eventually lead to someone like Farage winning the next election and him doing something nasty to all the boats coming in. Why would it? Are you really saying that the majority of people in this country are heartless and selfish triggered racists? I am sorry, but the people of this great nation have a history of helping people and being compassionate - even if those in power are not. The simple facts are that we take a fraction of the asylum seekers than France, Germany and Greece do and they were only as fractionally culpable as we were in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and effectively sowing the seeds for Islamic State which is creating a refugee problem all of its own. We just need to take fucking responsibility instead of acting like snowflakey, racist , fukwits and wishing it was someone else’s problem. It's easy to say "I am compassionate and so should you." The immediate question about taking many immigrants is who pays for them? Apparently letting them live in military barracks is not a great idea because it's not comfortable for them. Are you willing to pay for all the expenses personally? This country is short of workers. These people want to work and make an honest living. They are not asking for charity, they are asking for what we owe them - a chance to make a new life after we fucked the old one by fighting our wars in their countries." There are two parts to it - Willingness to be employed and being qualified to be employed Only 51% of the people who got asylum granted are employed https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2019-04-25-new-report-explores-barriers-employment-refugees-and-%E2%80%98asylum-migrants%E2%80%99 | |||
" There is a book "Future of capitalism" written by Paul Collier where he gives a good take on this situation. Long story short, taking all the refugees to Europe will workout bad for both Europe and the countries where the refugees are fleeing from. The western countries do have a duty to help them. The right long term solution is for them to invest in these countries by building industries and training the people there to be able to take up job in these industries. It is relatively less expensive and sets up those countries for future success. While the left keeps focusing on "humanity and kindness" without any thought about practical difficulties, the right gains political mileage by exploiting the situation. This country took in the Ugandan Asian Refugees be the Vietnamese Boat People against many of the same arguments, and their eventual success ought to be embarrassing to the ideological zealots who are pushing out the same tropes today. Lots of problems with this kind of argument. Something that worked in 1970s will not work as-is in the current economy. For one thing, the Ugandan Asians and Vietnamese people didn't have a smooth life here. Housing was a big problem then and many did not have accomodation. Would you be fine if the current asylum seekers can also be left to fend for themselves without accommodation? And net migration limits existed then too. Extract from wikipedia about the crisis; Reluctant to expand its newly introduced immigration quota, the British government had sought agreement from some of its remaining overseas territories (including Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, British Honduras, Hong Kong, Seychelles and the Solomon Islands) to resettle them; however, only the Falkland Islands responded positively.[19] Kenya and Tanzania similarly closed their borders with Uganda to prevent an influx of refugees.[4] It's practically impossible for any country to just open up its border to all the refugees. No one is suggesting that we completely open our borders to all refugees but when France, Germany and Greece take in a combined 10 or 20 times more than we do - does that make them stupid for helping desperate and deprived people? It is not a demonstration of strength that we allow women and children to die in the sea because of an ideological unwillingness to accept responsibility for our prior war mongering. It's not like those countries are welcoming refugees. They just don't have a choice. Situation of refugees in France for example: https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news-feature/behind-the-housing-crisis-for-asylum-seekers-in-france And don't even get me started on the refugee camps in Greece. All those countries are treating refugees as a problem. No one is welcoming everyone. Ok but Europe is very much now “unhappy” with the refugee status because the United States and the U.K. were very much the instigators of the problem and both those countries now want to wash their hands of the consequences. " Not really. Both Germany and France sent its troops to Afghanistan along with US and UK. And what do you mean instigators of the problem? The troops left Afghanistan now, Taliban is back to power. Does that mean refugees are not going to come from that country? You speak like people were leading a happy life under Taliban and US/UK went in to destroy it. Refugees were fleeing Afghanistan even before 9/11 and subsequent war. | |||
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"The top five countries for migrants arriving in the UK are, Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Syria and Albania. " 3 of those are active conflict zones. 1 is hardly noted for its human rights record. The other is hardly the most stable place on the planet and sits on an ethnic and religious fault line. | |||
"The top five countries for migrants arriving in the UK are, Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Syria and Albania. 3 of those are active conflict zones. 1 is hardly noted for its human rights record. The other is hardly the most stable place on the planet and sits on an ethnic and religious fault line." And how many of these problems are because of UK? | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?"bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister | |||
" There is a book "Future of capitalism" written by Paul Collier where he gives a good take on this situation. Long story short, taking all the refugees to Europe will workout bad for both Europe and the countries where the refugees are fleeing from. The western countries do have a duty to help them. The right long term solution is for them to invest in these countries by building industries and training the people there to be able to take up job in these industries. It is relatively less expensive and sets up those countries for future success. While the left keeps focusing on "humanity and kindness" without any thought about practical difficulties, the right gains political mileage by exploiting the situation. This country took in the Ugandan Asian Refugees be the Vietnamese Boat People against many of the same arguments, and their eventual success ought to be embarrassing to the ideological zealots who are pushing out the same tropes today. Lots of problems with this kind of argument. Something that worked in 1970s will not work as-is in the current economy. For one thing, the Ugandan Asians and Vietnamese people didn't have a smooth life here. Housing was a big problem then and many did not have accomodation. Would you be fine if the current asylum seekers can also be left to fend for themselves without accommodation? And net migration limits existed then too. Extract from wikipedia about the crisis; Reluctant to expand its newly introduced immigration quota, the British government had sought agreement from some of its remaining overseas territories (including Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, British Honduras, Hong Kong, Seychelles and the Solomon Islands) to resettle them; however, only the Falkland Islands responded positively.[19] Kenya and Tanzania similarly closed their borders with Uganda to prevent an influx of refugees.[4] It's practically impossible for any country to just open up its border to all the refugees. No one is suggesting that we completely open our borders to all refugees but when France, Germany and Greece take in a combined 10 or 20 times more than we do - does that make them stupid for helping desperate and deprived people? It is not a demonstration of strength that we allow women and children to die in the sea because of an ideological unwillingness to accept responsibility for our prior war mongering. It's not like those countries are welcoming refugees. They just don't have a choice. Situation of refugees in France for example: https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news-feature/behind-the-housing-crisis-for-asylum-seekers-in-france And don't even get me started on the refugee camps in Greece. All those countries are treating refugees as a problem. No one is welcoming everyone. Ok but Europe is very much now “unhappy” with the refugee status because the United States and the U.K. were very much the instigators of the problem and both those countries now want to wash their hands of the consequences. Not really. Both Germany and France sent its troops to Afghanistan along with US and UK. And what do you mean instigators of the problem? The troops left Afghanistan now, Taliban is back to power. Does that mean refugees are not going to come from that country? You speak like people were leading a happy life under Taliban and US/UK went in to destroy it. Refugees were fleeing Afghanistan even before 9/11 and subsequent war." I’m sure the women and children loved being under the taliban control lol | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister "I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then "Useful stats here https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/ NE does take in more per capita. UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees Here we are 7th. In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita. | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then "yep welsh minister was banging on about it all being a disgrace la la la, typical left wing rhetoric and it turns out its them not doing their bit | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita. "so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
yep welsh minister was banging on about it all being a disgrace la la la, typical left wing rhetoric and it turns out its them not doing their bit "Theres a surprise | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
yep welsh minister was banging on about it all being a disgrace la la la, typical left wing rhetoric and it turns out its them not doing their bit "The Scottish MSP Finance Minister was on interview yesterday, telling everyone how welcoming Scotland was to migrants. Until it was pointed out to her, that only 1 out of 32 scottish local authorities had signed upto the UK refugee dispersal scheme! | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita.
so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker "I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is ! | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita.
so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is !"That Britain does a decent job, perhaps others do better but if you are only being out performed (if you consider not taking more as out performed) by a few countries (competitors) you're still doing well globally. | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita.
so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is !
That Britain does a decent job, perhaps others do better but if you are only being out performed (if you consider not taking more as out performed) by a few countries (competitors) you're still doing well globally. "aha, okay. The numbers above are are just uk and EU. 19 out of 32. We are a few points of relegations, but still 12 teams that are below us. But a lot closer in points to the bottom than the champion League teams. | |||
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"and the far righties continue to bitch, moan and stamp their racist little feet in in a petulant tantrum about refugees. " Why is it racist? | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita.
so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is !
That Britain does a decent job, perhaps others do better but if you are only being out performed (if you consider not taking more as out performed) by a few countries (competitors) you're still doing well globally. aha, okay. The numbers above are are just uk and EU. 19 out of 32.
We are a few points of relegations, but still 12 teams that are below us. But a lot closer in points to the bottom than the champion League teams. "We took in and rehomed more migrants in 2019 than any eu country, so i dont know which month second your figure are for.... but ok lets pretend they arent skewed.. per capita, we are a very crowded island already, with high population... sweden 1 person per 24 sq kilometres of space, uk 24 people per 1 sq kilometre of space! Yes really! And being scotland and wales are empty, england is soaking it up! That is not racist those are facts. The swedish have 24 times more space per person than someone in the uk, wonder how that effects mental health | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita.
so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is !
That Britain does a decent job, perhaps others do better but if you are only being out performed (if you consider not taking more as out performed) by a few countries (competitors) you're still doing well globally. aha, okay. The numbers above are are just uk and EU. 19 out of 32.
We are a few points of relegations, but still 12 teams that are below us. But a lot closer in points to the bottom than the champion League teams.
We took in and rehomed more migrants in 2019 than any eu country, so i dont know which month second your figure are for.... but ok lets pretend they arent skewed.. per capita, we are a very crowded island already, with high population... sweden 1 person per 24 sq kilometres of space, uk 24 people per 1 sq kilometre of space! Yes really! And being scotland and wales are empty, england is soaking it up! That is not racist those are facts. The swedish have 24 times more space per person than someone in the uk, wonder how that effects mental health "In 2019, India was – once again – the most common country of birth for migrants (863,000) in the UK after a number of Polish-born people left the UK, and the Indian born population grew slightly. Poles still represented the biggest non-British nationality (900,000). | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita.
so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is !
That Britain does a decent job, perhaps others do better but if you are only being out performed (if you consider not taking more as out performed) by a few countries (competitors) you're still doing well globally. aha, okay. The numbers above are are just uk and EU. 19 out of 32.
We are a few points of relegations, but still 12 teams that are below us. But a lot closer in points to the bottom than the champion League teams.
We took in and rehomed more migrants in 2019 than any eu country, so i dont know which month second your figure are for.... but ok lets pretend they arent skewed.. per capita, we are a very crowded island already, with high population... sweden 1 person per 24 sq kilometres of space, uk 24 people per 1 sq kilometre of space! Yes really! And being scotland and wales are empty, england is soaking it up! That is not racist those are facts. The swedish have 24 times more space per person than someone in the uk, wonder how that effects mental health "resettlement (the one we top the chart in) is only a small part of taking on refugees. It's where you take ppl direct from camps on warzone broders say, because they arent able to travel to a safe place themselves. I used per capita as that's what you used for teeside! I don't want to discuss specific countries as why pick on Sweden ? If there is an issue with over crowding in the UK, I'd suggest that a few thousand refugees iant where to focus. And for overall mental health, providing safety for people have gone through hell will have an overall greater net effect for humanity. | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita.
so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is !
That Britain does a decent job, perhaps others do better but if you are only being out performed (if you consider not taking more as out performed) by a few countries (competitors) you're still doing well globally. aha, okay. The numbers above are are just uk and EU. 19 out of 32.
We are a few points of relegations, but still 12 teams that are below us. But a lot closer in points to the bottom than the champion League teams.
We took in and rehomed more migrants in 2019 than any eu country, so i dont know which month second your figure are for.... but ok lets pretend they arent skewed.. per capita, we are a very crowded island already, with high population... sweden 1 person per 24 sq kilometres of space, uk 24 people per 1 sq kilometre of space! Yes really! And being scotland and wales are empty, england is soaking it up! That is not racist those are facts. The swedish have 24 times more space per person than someone in the uk, wonder how that effects mental health resettlement (the one we top the chart in) is only a small part of taking on refugees. It's where you take ppl direct from camps on warzone broders say, because they arent able to travel to a safe place themselves.
I used per capita as that's what you used for teeside!
I don't want to discuss specific countries as why pick on Sweden ?
If there is an issue with over crowding in the UK, I'd suggest that a few thousand refugees iant where to focus. And for overall mental health, providing safety for people have gone through hell will have an overall greater net effect for humanity. "its about regulating population so we can provide health care, feeding, schools etc etc No social system can work unless more pay in than take out! I used sweden as an example because i knew the stat off the top of my head, but its a hell of a difference! But Britain is way more populated than france for example, im sure the french have plenty of land to grow crops and feed itself, uk, im not so sure.... how many can we fit on this island? how many do we want to? those are the underlying fundamental issues, its not about race or creed its about the logistics of being to make it work. Its not a few 1,000, or was that yesterday! the population has doubled since 1930.Yes not all down to refugees! yes we could all live in tower blocks and eat beetles and exercise on a treadmill... and im glad you do realise we are at the top of the table in some respects. But i get the feeling no matter what, some people think you can keep increasing the population for ever! Which also drives global warming! | |||
"uk actually took more than anyone else in 2019 but think the arguments have been pretty well explained to you.... and we cant undo history. real issue is to many people breeding which impacts everything!
So I actually reference a U.K. Government Library document called asylum statistics - you can Google it.
Where have you got your statistic that the U.K. took more refugees than anyone else in 2019?
bbc news yesterday! the west midlands also took twice as many migrants as wales, the interviewer was ripping the piss out of welsh minister I think Teesside is top for taking in migrants per capita not a shock there then
Useful stats here
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
NE does take in more per capita.
UK tops the charts for refugee resettlement ... But that's not all refugees
Here we are 7th.
In total numbers. Something like 19th per capita.
so we take more than poland which is huge and more than afghanistan and more than..... i made it to the olympics but never won a medal, i must be a wanker I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is !
That Britain does a decent job, perhaps others do better but if you are only being out performed (if you consider not taking more as out performed) by a few countries (competitors) you're still doing well globally. aha, okay. The numbers above are are just uk and EU. 19 out of 32.
We are a few points of relegations, but still 12 teams that are below us. But a lot closer in points to the bottom than the champion League teams.
We took in and rehomed more migrants in 2019 than any eu country, so i dont know which month second your figure are for.... but ok lets pretend they arent skewed.. per capita, we are a very crowded island already, with high population... sweden 1 person per 24 sq kilometres of space, uk 24 people per 1 sq kilometre of space! Yes really! And being scotland and wales are empty, england is soaking it up! That is not racist those are facts. The swedish have 24 times more space per person than someone in the uk, wonder how that effects mental health resettlement (the one we top the chart in) is only a small part of taking on refugees. It's where you take ppl direct from camps on warzone broders say, because they arent able to travel to a safe place themselves.
I used per capita as that's what you used for teeside!
I don't want to discuss specific countries as why pick on Sweden ?
If there is an issue with over crowding in the UK, I'd suggest that a few thousand refugees iant where to focus. And for overall mental health, providing safety for people have gone through hell will have an overall greater net effect for humanity.
its about regulating population so we can provide health care, feeding, schools etc etc No social system can work unless more pay in than take out!
I used sweden as an example because i knew the stat off the top of my head, but its a hell of a difference! But Britain is way more populated than france for example, im sure the french have plenty of land to grow crops and feed itself, uk, im not so sure.... how many can we fit on this island? how many do we want to? those are the underlying fundamental issues, its not about race or creed its about the logistics of being to make it work. Its not a few 1,000, or was that yesterday! the population has doubled since 1930.Yes not all down to refugees!
yes we could all live in tower blocks and eat beetles and exercise on a treadmill... and im glad you do realise we are at the top of the table in some respects. But i get the feeling no matter what, some people think you can keep increasing the population for ever! Which also drives global warming! "No source for this but I was once given a number of 40 million maximum for the UK to live and theoretically self sufficient in food (we would obviously trade seasonal goods). I think we are about 66 million? So yes, we are way overpopulated. Compare this to France with roughly the same population but double the area of the UK. This isn't racist but overpopulation is obviously causing tension. When will somebody declare that the UK is now full? | |||
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"Over population, self sustainability and infrastructure is a lot wider subject than taking in refugees. If that's the worry, focussing on reguees is being penny wise, pound poor. And huegely complex too. If we held the population at 66m then we will struggle to balance the books in a few years... Different thread tho !!" The connection is obvious and im not sure it is that complex, ex amount of land supports ex amount of people, lions, rabbits, any living thing.... the whole its racist nonsense is exactly that, nonsense! But I do accept some people will utilize a situation for their own wants. But hold population at 66 million... too late were at 68.3! | |||
"Over population, self sustainability and infrastructure is a lot wider subject than taking in refugees. If that's the worry, focussing on reguees is being penny wise, pound poor. And huegely complex too. If we held the population at 66m then we will struggle to balance the books in a few years... Different thread tho !! The connection is obvious and im not sure it is that complex, ex amount of land supports ex amount of people, lions, rabbits, any living thing.... the whole its racist nonsense is exactly that, nonsense! But I do accept some people will utilize a situation for their own wants. But hold population at 66 million... too late were at 68.3! "I never said anything about racism. But overpopulation nowadays is more about land for growing. As you say it's infrastructure etc. But it is possible. Singapore has c 3x the density of us. Albeit is behind is in the happiness index but maybe not as much as you'd be expect if density was a huge driver. Netherlands looks to be fifth densist https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density And fith happiest https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density But I stand by my point. Taking in less refugees is not going to change the dial on this. | |||
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"Apparently the French want us to be "less economically attractive" to migrants!
"I pointed that out some ago on another thread and was questioned by the usual suspects | |||
"Apparently the French want us to be "less economically attractive" to migrants!
I pointed that out some ago on another thread and was questioned by the usual suspects"by attractive, do you mean benefits ? Or do you mean that ability to get a job is attractive? | |||
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"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet?" The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. " Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more?" What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it. | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet?" Yes. I’ve read a statement on the EU website. They felt that the lunch as prepared looked average. So after a vote, they decided to work through so they could finish early to ensure they had time to change and shower before a magnificent dinner. | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it." Even the French say it is partly our business and it is obviously a joint issue. Being in the EU doesn't have much to do with it. | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? Yes. I’ve read a statement on the EU website. They felt that the lunch as prepared looked average. So after a vote, they decided to work through so they could finish early to ensure they had time to change and shower before a magnificent dinner. " the tories noted the minutes and informed the EU they had a mate who could do great lunches for only gbp500 per head and having eaten at a restaurant once that made the very qualified. | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it. Even the French say it is partly our business and it is obviously a joint issue. Being in the EU doesn't have much to do with it." No, we have to simply deal with whatever they decided. We get a seat at the table as and when they choose. After all we've taken back control. | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it." UK Border Force officials were at the meeting. It was just Ms Patel that was uninvited. | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it. UK Border Force officials were at the meeting. It was just Ms Patel that was uninvited. " Looks like Patel is seen as the problem. | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it. UK Border Force officials were at the meeting. It was just Ms Patel that was uninvited. Looks like Patel is seen as the problem." I can’t believe she is still the Home Secretary, | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it. UK Border Force officials were at the meeting. It was just Ms Patel that was uninvited. Looks like Patel is seen as the problem." or they dare not take on the horny little minx, as she`ll turn them into french pate! But if the situation is the eu do wtftl then we could go all hungary and poland on them, in fact just have a war over it, micro vs bojo | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it. UK Border Force officials were at the meeting. It was just Ms Patel that was uninvited. Looks like Patel is seen as the problem. or they dare not take on the horny little minx, as she`ll turn them into french pate! But if the situation is the eu do wtftl then we could go all hungary and poland on them, in fact just have a war over it, micro vs bojo "Eh? | |||
"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it. UK Border Force officials were at the meeting. It was just Ms Patel that was uninvited. " Yes she upset napoleon   | |||
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"Does anybody know if there has actually been any output from the EU meetings yet? The EU are supplying a Frontex plane to patrol the Channel. Surely that can't be all they are going to do? If that is true - it demonstrates that they are all just hot air. Surely they are going to do more? What they do is their business, when the UK left the EU it lost all input, even on issues which may affect it. UK Border Force officials were at the meeting. It was just Ms Patel that was uninvited. Yes she upset napoleon "Michel Barnier is waiting in the wings and he wants to tear up the Le Touquet agreement based on Britains intransigence to accepting responsibility. You think the refugee situation is bad now? If Barnier get’s in does scrap LT - you will see an awful lot worse situation develop. | |||
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"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. " makes us chumps too, right ? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. " exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail "So you want to open fire on migrants? Is that what you think is funny? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?"I never mentioned guns, youve come up with that! Weird thought processes there | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?"but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ?? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??"Complete and utter false equivalence | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence"But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side "Apparently there are civil liberty issues with the French police using drones. Maybe they could send their police out with the media, as they seem to find loads of boats on beaches? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side
Apparently there are civil liberty issues with the French police using drones.
Maybe they could send their police out with the media, as they seem to find loads of boats on beaches? "They did show on Chanel 4 news a few days ago now that the main launch points where near on all set off from are well known and quite a small area but the French know this already | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side "Can you advise what laws they have broken? Do you advise opening fire on them as well? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side
Can you advise what laws they have broken?
Do you advise opening fire on them as well?"Are you suggesting we open up to all comers ? No checks or restrictions at all? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side
Can you advise what laws they have broken?
Do you advise opening fire on them as well?
Are you suggesting we open up to all comers ? No checks or restrictions at all? "no plwase show where I have said that? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence"What do you mean by the concept of equivalence? Equivalence is defined in the Collins Dictionary of the English Language (1991: 526) as the state of being "equal or interchangeable in value, quantity, significance, etc." or "having the same or a similar effect or meaning". So what are you on about? explain in detail | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side
Can you advise what laws they have broken?
Do you advise opening fire on them as well?
Are you suggesting we open up to all comers ? No checks or restrictions at all?
no
plwase show where I have said that?"no, yeah, but, i never actually said that.... says the queen of misreading others posts | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side
Can you advise what laws they have broken?
Do you advise opening fire on them as well?"your obsessed with guns, im starting to think you have a very violent streak? you could sink a boat with a hose pipe you dont need a weapon | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side
Can you advise what laws they have broken?
Do you advise opening fire on them as well?
Are you suggesting we open up to all comers ? No checks or restrictions at all?
no
plwase show where I have said that?
no, yeah, but, i never actually said that.... says the queen of misreading others posts "You said "exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail" So your plans to seek them were what, use harsh words? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side
Can you advise what laws they have broken?
Do you advise opening fire on them as well?
your obsessed with guns, im starting to think you have a very violent streak? you could sink a boat with a hose pipe you dont need a weapon "as per normal, you are wrong | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
What do you mean by the concept of equivalence?
Equivalence is defined in the Collins Dictionary of the English Language (1991: 526) as the state of being "equal or interchangeable in value, quantity, significance, etc." or "having the same or a similar effect or meaning".
So what are you on about? explain in detail "false equivalence, say X is the same as Y, when it clearly isn't | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence"so you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard "I'll ask you what crime have they committed? | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
But it does go to show just how little the French police are doing on their side
Can you advise what laws they have broken?
Do you advise opening fire on them as well?
Are you suggesting we open up to all comers ? No checks or restrictions at all?
no
plwase show where I have said that?
no, yeah, but, i never actually said that.... says the queen of misreading others posts
You said "exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail"
So your plans to seek them were what, use harsh words?"seek them? they didnt need seeking out, they were right in front of french police carrying a boat | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?"I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalence
What do you mean by the concept of equivalence?
Equivalence is defined in the Collins Dictionary of the English Language (1991: 526) as the state of being "equal or interchangeable in value, quantity, significance, etc." or "having the same or a similar effect or meaning".
So what are you on about? explain in detail
false equivalence, say X is the same as Y, when it clearly isn't"yes but it doesnt apply to.. what do you think? dont try and wriggle out... you are just avoiding the question asked, what do you think to them carrying a boat past french police... the video was on bbc clear as day... there is nothing false... e=mcsq, yep, irrelevant | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?"ffs this has been answered so many times its ridiculous... | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal "heres the problem you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can. So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction). In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone. It's not as simple as you think. The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle. | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle."Many would accept that but there is the issue of those failing in their asylum claims one, twice and still refusing to leave. When they agree to abide by the asylum decision, and actually do so whether it's in their favour or not, people may change their attitude | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle."excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out "can’t wait to see his answer to that or swerve lol | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out can’t wait to see his answer to that or swerve lol"In essence, the SOLAS convention | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out "yes all legitimate for a boat at sea, they aren't at sea though. When they are, the French Coastguard can ask them those questions. As I said above. | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out can’t wait to see his answer to that or swerve lol"No swerve from me | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out can’t wait to see his answer to that or swerve lol
No swerve from me"and you say boris is full of shit ROFL any vessel can and SHOULD be stopped if un sea worthy, it is a clear dereliction of duty to wave them on through, if you cant understand that then you clearly have issues, your posts have just become pointless noise  | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out can’t wait to see his answer to that or swerve lol
No swerve from me
and you say boris is full of shit ROFL any vessel can and SHOULD be stopped if un sea worthy, it is a clear dereliction of duty to wave them on through, if you cant understand that then you clearly have issues, your posts have just become pointless noise "The police on the beach cannot stop a ship or coast guard's job. The police of any country do not have the skills to determine if a ship or boat isn't fit for sea. That is why the coast guard's exist. I've been very polite in the face of your personal abuse. You are getting ever more angry and shouty I presume because the point you are trying to make doesn't stand up to even the most cursory examination. I politely suggest you take a bit of a break. | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out can’t wait to see his answer to that or swerve lol
No swerve from me
and you say boris is full of shit ROFL any vessel can and SHOULD be stopped if un sea worthy, it is a clear dereliction of duty to wave them on through, if you cant understand that then you clearly have issues, your posts have just become pointless noise
The police on the beach cannot stop a ship or coast guard's job.
The police of any country do not have the skills to determine if a ship or boat isn't fit for sea. That is why the coast guard's exist.
I've been very polite in the face of your personal abuse. You are getting ever more angry and shouty I presume because the point you are trying to make doesn't stand up to even the most cursory examination.
I politely suggest you take a bit of a break.
"ROFL, polite, you are hardly ever polite, youve started posts with ffs numerous times.. just to point out a spelling error lol But now you want to play nice? hmmm hopefully moderators will look at wider picture and not just one post? however ill repeat as you conveniently forget the bits you want to, is this your boat sir? any receipts? who are these people with you? any ID, no .... then i suggest you come this way..... stolen goods is a crime, people smuggling is a crime etc etc... and I dont think you need to be a coast guard or specially trained to see, 20 people including children in a dinghy that has on side, pleasure use only lol perhaps french police are really really dim? or perhaps they wish to look other way as instructed by their bosses? I know your reply will be nonsense... Ill let others answer if they really want to! | |||
"From an EU that wants a border in the Irish sea, but doesn't want one in the channel. Sums the chumps up. exactly they keep moving the goal posts or in this case the borders lol just sink the boats off french coast and then radio their life boat teams to collect them, theyve only just walked past their police! Have you seen the video on news, migrants carrying a boat right past them! Its enough to make me start reading the daily mail
So you want to open fire on migrants?
Is that what you think is funny?but what do you think about them carrying a boat past them tho ??
Complete and utter false equivalenceso you can only condem the U.K. then it’s ok for the french police to stand by and wach aslong as there french lol standard
I'll ask you
what crime have they committed?I don’t have to energy to repeat all the evidence people on here have been kind enough to give you read back ffs is 40 people in a small dingy legal
heres the problem
you cannot arrest them on the beach as at that point they haven't committed when they get in the boat, you probably can.
So the French coast guard is called (the boats at sea, they have jusrisdiction).
In the X hours it takes them to arrive, they are gone.
It's not as simple as you think.
The answer is to have a legal option for them to enter and resetle.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out can’t wait to see his answer to that or swerve lol
No swerve from me
and you say boris is full of shit ROFL any vessel can and SHOULD be stopped if un sea worthy, it is a clear dereliction of duty to wave them on through, if you cant understand that then you clearly have issues, your posts have just become pointless noise
The police on the beach cannot stop a ship or coast guard's job.
The police of any country do not have the skills to determine if a ship or boat isn't fit for sea. That is why the coast guard's exist.
I've been very polite in the face of your personal abuse. You are getting ever more angry and shouty I presume because the point you are trying to make doesn't stand up to even the most cursory examination.
I politely suggest you take a bit of a break.
ROFL, polite, you are hardly ever polite, youve started posts with ffs numerous times.. just to point out a spelling error lol But now you want to play nice? hmmm hopefully moderators will look at wider picture and not just one post?
however ill repeat as you conveniently forget the bits you want to, is this your boat sir? any receipts? who are these people with you? any ID, no .... then i suggest you come this way..... stolen goods is a crime, people smuggling is a crime etc etc... and I dont think you need to be a coast guard or specially trained to see, 20 people including children in a dinghy that has on side, pleasure use only lol perhaps french police are really really dim? or perhaps they wish to look other way as instructed by their bosses?
I know your reply will be nonsense... Ill let others answer if they really want to! "I am extremely polite, perhaps if paid attention a bit more it may help your argument. You are now making stuff up. Present evidence that that they have been told to look the other way? Who exactly do you arrest from a group of 20 people for "not having a receipt?". How exactly do you demonstrate that the dinghy is stolen? Any lawyer worth their money would take arguments such as you propose apart in minutes. Actually the defending magistrate would do that. Perhaps the situation is a bit more complicated than you can grasp. I suggest again, you take a break for a while, perhaps it's all a bit more for you. | |||
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"Never heard of a defending magistrate,whats that exactly" The French legal system is not about guilty or not guilty, it's about getting to the truth. The court appoints a defending magistrate and a prosecution magistrate to investigate the issues. To be fair been a long while since I did stuff on comparitive law  | |||
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"So that's in france,not here then" Spot on, whose beaches are being talked about? | |||
"Never heard of a defending magistrate,whats that exactly The French legal system is not about guilty or not guilty, it's about getting to the truth. The court appoints a defending magistrate and a prosecution magistrate to investigate the issues. To be fair been a long while since I did stuff on comparitive law "so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ? | |||
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"Never heard of a defending magistrate,whats that exactly The French legal system is not about guilty or not guilty, it's about getting to the truth. The court appoints a defending magistrate and a prosecution magistrate to investigate the issues. To be fair been a long while since I did stuff on comparitive law so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"do the British ? | |||
"Never heard of a defending magistrate,whats that exactly The French legal system is not about guilty or not guilty, it's about getting to the truth. The court appoints a defending magistrate and a prosecution magistrate to investigate the issues. To be fair been a long while since I did stuff on comparitive law so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"Not that I am aware, if someone wants to dig a little deeper. There may be something under conspiracy laws. As I said earlier, this is a complex area, there is no simple answer. Trying to apply a simple single fix of "sink the boats" or "arrest them" will create as many problems as it solves. | |||
"Never heard of a defending magistrate,whats that exactly The French legal system is not about guilty or not guilty, it's about getting to the truth. The court appoints a defending magistrate and a prosecution magistrate to investigate the issues. To be fair been a long while since I did stuff on comparitive law so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?do the British ? "er yes | |||
"ROFL its so funny in a tragic sad way, bit like the office "Sorry, I’m either being thick or just out of touch - ROFL? | |||
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"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained "Sorry, I just don't take anything you say seriously any more. Have you taken the opportunity to have a sit down in a darkened room yet? Btw, you are contradicting yourself with your post. Happy to help | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained "aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to. They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ? | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?"eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed "okay, miss understood this: "so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?" Which loops back to what crime IS being committed? Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either. My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that. And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt. | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed "i was on a blow up lilo face down and they definitely did not call the coast guard or refer me to another department | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
"excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out.... so many laws are being broken! are you smuggling children? oh no one cares | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
"so 40 people being put on a dingy middle of the night on a beach and they don’t have a suspicion of people smuggling then lol | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
"You raise an interesting point. From a R4 radio article. The inflatables are being over the net. Then 48 hours later they are delivered. The French police are actively stopping trucks on motorways, searching them, and sending them back to the supplier ( not sure how ) . | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out....
so many laws are being broken! are you smuggling children? oh no one cares "how many times have you had to post that tho and they swerve it lol | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
so 40 people being put on a dingy middle of the night on a beach and they don’t have a suspicion of people smuggling then lol"but suck a cock and five coppers turn up! with lots of booing | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out....
so many laws are being broken! are you smuggling children? oh no one cares "Do you need a license for a dinghy? If all you need is a receipt to make the police go away teh smugglers will get that to the people. Do you need a passport to go out to sea ? Radio? Do you need to be a trained skipper ? No they aren't paying passengers. We are a group of friends. Look, I agree if you can find a law they are breaking, then the police should use it. However, you are guessing that "having a dinghy without a compass" is illegal. I have no idea if it is or not in French law? Do you? And finally the people on the boats aren't smugglers. They are asylum seekers. I want to protect the kids via giving them safe passage to the UK. But it is at this point many would rather have a bit more space, than save a kid. (I say that slightly pointedly to show how easy it is to claim people have no heart, just because they raise practical objections to proposals) | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained "Thank you. | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out....
so many laws are being broken! are you smuggling children? oh no one cares
Do you need a license for a dinghy?
If all you need is a receipt to make the police go away teh smugglers will get that to the people.
Do you need a passport to go out to sea ? Radio? Do you need to be a trained skipper ?
No they aren't paying passengers. We are a group of friends.
Look, I agree if you can find a law they are breaking, then the police should use it. However, you are guessing that "having a dinghy without a compass" is illegal. I have no idea if it is or not in French law? Do you?
And finally the people on the boats aren't smugglers. They are asylum seekers.
I want to protect the kids via giving them safe passage to the UK. But it is at this point many would rather have a bit more space, than save a kid.
(I say that slightly pointedly to show how easy it is to claim people have no heart, just because they raise practical objections to proposals) "heard of maritime law? this has been explained so many times on so many threads about boats.... you need lights on the boat at night for starters, the right coloured lights and every vessel has a safe capacity limit and .... but fuck all that, lets pretend its ok to put children in an unregistered boat in the middle of the night and set off into a shipping lane.... but its not ok to ride a bicycle without a helmet lol I know if i was pushing a pram at 2am in the morning into some woods the police would quite rightly stop me and start asking questions, if i said, sorry officer, no papers no fuck all, theyd take me down station until i could prove i was the legal guardian at least but seems if you have a dinghy instead of a pram its ok | |||
"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out....
so many laws are being broken! are you smuggling children? oh no one cares
Do you need a license for a dinghy?
If all you need is a receipt to make the police go away teh smugglers will get that to the people.
Do you need a passport to go out to sea ? Radio? Do you need to be a trained skipper ?
No they aren't paying passengers. We are a group of friends.
Look, I agree if you can find a law they are breaking, then the police should use it. However, you are guessing that "having a dinghy without a compass" is illegal. I have no idea if it is or not in French law? Do you?
And finally the people on the boats aren't smugglers. They are asylum seekers.
I want to protect the kids via giving them safe passage to the UK. But it is at this point many would rather have a bit more space, than save a kid.
(I say that slightly pointedly to show how easy it is to claim people have no heart, just because they raise practical objections to proposals)
heard of maritime law? this has been explained so many times on so many threads about boats.... you need lights on the boat at night for starters, the right coloured lights and every vessel has a safe capacity limit and ....
but fuck all that, lets pretend its ok to put children in an unregistered boat in the middle of the night and set off into a shipping lane.... but its not ok to ride a bicycle without a helmet lol I know if i was pushing a pram at 2am in the morning into some woods the police would quite rightly stop me and start asking questions, if i said, sorry officer, no papers no fuck all, theyd take me down station until i could prove
i was the legal guardian at least but seems if you have a dinghy instead of a pram its ok "Can you advise which group is there to enforce maritime law? | |||
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"french police do act on suspicion, go to agde beach, fuck in the sea and see if the french police turn a blind eye then, even if they cant actually prove where said cock might or might not be! they dont call coast guard lol roll on floor laughing ROFL explained aha. They act if they think is a crime is being committed. Not about to.
They don't arrest because you enter the sea with a smile but arms length apart... Do they ?eh think a crime is being committed not about to be committed okay, miss understood this:
"so french police don’t act on the suspicion to commit a crime then ?"
Which loops back to what crime IS being committed?
Having a dinghy isn't illegal. I don't know if there is a law to say no more than 5 people per dinghy either.
My guess is the smugglers aren't getting in the dinghy so can't arrest anyone for that.
And I doubt the dinghy's are stolen so give one of the crossers the receipt.
excuse me sir, do you have a licence for this boat, a receipt of ownership? any proof of ownership? passports, radio, are you a trained skipper, are these paying passengers, where is the life boat inflatable, have you booked out with the harbour master, do you even have a compass?..... then get the fuck out....
so many laws are being broken! are you smuggling children? oh no one cares
Do you need a license for a dinghy?
If all you need is a receipt to make the police go away teh smugglers will get that to the people.
Do you need a passport to go out to sea ? Radio? Do you need to be a trained skipper ?
No they aren't paying passengers. We are a group of friends.
Look, I agree if you can find a law they are breaking, then the police should use it. However, you are guessing that "having a dinghy without a compass" is illegal. I have no idea if it is or not in French law? Do you?
And finally the people on the boats aren't smugglers. They are asylum seekers.
I want to protect the kids via giving them safe passage to the UK. But it is at this point many would rather have a bit more space, than save a kid.
(I say that slightly pointedly to show how easy it is to claim people have no heart, just because they raise practical objections to proposals)
heard of maritime law? this has been explained so many times on so many threads about boats.... you need lights on the boat at night for starters, the right coloured lights and every vessel has a safe capacity limit and ....
but fuck all that, lets pretend its ok to put children in an unregistered boat in the middle of the night and set off into a shipping lane.... but its not ok to ride a bicycle without a helmet lol I know if i was pushing a pram at 2am in the morning into some woods the police would quite rightly stop me and start asking questions, if i said, sorry officer, no papers no fuck all, theyd take me down station until i could prove
i was the legal guardian at least but seems if you have a dinghy instead of a pram its ok
Can you advise which group is there to enforce maritime law?"Countries sign up to the SOLAS convention. | |||
