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"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?" To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it  | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it "Absolutely trumped up charges. We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back. | |||
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"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back."We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. ". Exactly this  | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this "The US managed it. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it."Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on. "Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's. Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place. If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so . | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on.
Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's.
Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place.
If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so ."How could BoZo as you call him do it exactly? What is it that you think he can personally do to release her from the trumped up bullshit charges due is being held on? As has been explained we cannot pay the money without falling foul of breaking sanctions and international law, so what is the option? Interested to know how it can be done exactly. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on.
Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's.
Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place.
If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so .
How could BoZo as you call him do it exactly? What is it that you think he can personally do to release her from the trumped up bullshit charges due is being held on? As has been explained we cannot pay the money without falling foul of breaking sanctions and international law, so what is the option? Interested to know how it can be done exactly."He could set up a group to look at alternative methods of payment, medicine, food, training He could offer face to face talks He could ask a third party to mediate No evidence of him doing any of the above. That's a 5 minute list without access to the support of the foreign office. Her husband has just been on the radio, he had a meeting with Cleverly ( from memory ), meeting lasted 30 minutes, he left feeling depressed. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on.
Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's.
Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place.
If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so .
How could BoZo as you call him do it exactly? What is it that you think he can personally do to release her from the trumped up bullshit charges due is being held on? As has been explained we cannot pay the money without falling foul of breaking sanctions and international law, so what is the option? Interested to know how it can be done exactly.
He could set up a group to look at alternative methods of payment, medicine, food, training
He could offer face to face talks
He could ask a third party to mediate
No evidence of him doing any of the above.
That's a 5 minute list without access to the support of the foreign office.
Her husband has just been on the radio, he had a meeting with Cleverly ( from memory ), meeting lasted 30 minutes, he left feeling depressed.
"I dont think any of the methods of payment that you mentioned are allowed in law at present due to the sanctions. Also I doubt the Iranians would be interested, they clearly want the money. He could offer face to face talks but this would also have to be in agreement with various other nations that are involved in the sanctions against Iran, and those countries concern is nuclear capability not an innocent uk citizen, but maybe. He could ask a 3rd party but I would imagine any pressure that can be applied that way has been done so, most of the UK allies have the same stance to Iran, and those countries that iran may listen to are not our allies so I really don't know who a 3rd party could be to be honest. I feel nothing but sympathy for her husband and rest of her family especially her young daughter and I find the behaviour of the Iranians in this respect abhorrent, if this is all about the tank money there is no justification for them to do what they have to this family, and maybe a far more concerted effort by the entire international community speaking out against Iran in this matter should happening. | |||
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"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on.
Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's.
Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place.
If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so .
How could BoZo as you call him do it exactly? What is it that you think he can personally do to release her from the trumped up bullshit charges due is being held on? As has been explained we cannot pay the money without falling foul of breaking sanctions and international law, so what is the option? Interested to know how it can be done exactly.
He could set up a group to look at alternative methods of payment, medicine, food, training
He could offer face to face talks
He could ask a third party to mediate
No evidence of him doing any of the above.
That's a 5 minute list without access to the support of the foreign office.
Her husband has just been on the radio, he had a meeting with Cleverly ( from memory ), meeting lasted 30 minutes, he left feeling depressed.
I dont think any of the methods of payment that you mentioned are allowed in law at present due to the sanctions. Also I doubt the Iranians would be interested, they clearly want the money. He could offer face to face talks but this would also have to be in agreement with various other nations that are involved in the sanctions against Iran, and those countries concern is nuclear capability not an innocent uk citizen, but maybe.
He could ask a 3rd party but I would imagine any pressure that can be applied that way has been done so, most of the UK allies have the same stance to Iran, and those countries that iran may listen to are not our allies so I really don't know who a 3rd party could be to be honest. I feel nothing but sympathy for her husband and rest of her family especially her young daughter and I find the behaviour of the Iranians in this respect abhorrent, if this is all about the tank money there is no justification for them to do what they have to this family, and maybe a far more concerted effort by the entire international community speaking out against Iran in this matter should happening. "Funny that a Tory minister was saying the swap deal might work but they haven't had talks yet. We have no idea what he's done ( other than opening his mouth and getting her extra time ) BoZo has no legal justification for withholding the money. He could arrange for it to be deposited into an escrow account. Let's be honest, he just can't be bothered. | |||
"Apparently, some deal was done where the UK would pay 400 million owed to Iran through some trade deal but would break sanction rules so won't at up after saying they would" I'd love to know the details of that Again, if the US managed it... | |||
"Apparently, some deal was done where the UK would pay 400 million owed to Iran through some trade deal but would break sanction rules so won't at up after saying they would I'd love to know the details of that Again, if the US managed it..." https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/11/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-iran-uk-debt-arms-deal | |||
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"So the defence of Boris is, he promised something that was beyond his power to achieve? " Being amoral, the govt ordered tanks for sale, took the money and didn't deliver. Shouldn't be related to taking hostages but that's what Iran has done. | |||
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"Apparently, some deal was done where the UK would pay 400 million owed to Iran through some trade deal but would break sanction rules so won't at up after saying they would I'd love to know the details of that Again, if the US managed it... https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/11/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-iran-uk-debt-arms-deal " Thanks for the link Reading that we can't pay back to the Iranian government, but can pay the Iranian central bank. If so, why not pay it? If it's the US then pick up the phone to Biden. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on.
Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's.
Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place.
If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so .
How could BoZo as you call him do it exactly? What is it that you think he can personally do to release her from the trumped up bullshit charges due is being held on? As has been explained we cannot pay the money without falling foul of breaking sanctions and international law, so what is the option? Interested to know how it can be done exactly.
He could set up a group to look at alternative methods of payment, medicine, food, training
He could offer face to face talks
He could ask a third party to mediate
No evidence of him doing any of the above.
That's a 5 minute list without access to the support of the foreign office.
Her husband has just been on the radio, he had a meeting with Cleverly ( from memory ), meeting lasted 30 minutes, he left feeling depressed.
I dont think any of the methods of payment that you mentioned are allowed in law at present due to the sanctions. Also I doubt the Iranians would be interested, they clearly want the money. He could offer face to face talks but this would also have to be in agreement with various other nations that are involved in the sanctions against Iran, and those countries concern is nuclear capability not an innocent uk citizen, but maybe.
He could ask a 3rd party but I would imagine any pressure that can be applied that way has been done so, most of the UK allies have the same stance to Iran, and those countries that iran may listen to are not our allies so I really don't know who a 3rd party could be to be honest. I feel nothing but sympathy for her husband and rest of her family especially her young daughter and I find the behaviour of the Iranians in this respect abhorrent, if this is all about the tank money there is no justification for them to do what they have to this family, and maybe a far more concerted effort by the entire international community speaking out against Iran in this matter should happening.
Funny that a Tory minister was saying the swap deal might work but they haven't had talks yet.
We have no idea what he's done ( other than opening his mouth and getting her extra time )
BoZo has no legal justification for withholding the money. He could arrange for it to be deposited into an escrow account.
Let's be honest, he just can't be bothered.
"Well if that's the case with a swap then they should pursue it, but I personally don't believe that's what the Iranians want regardless of what some mp says. The UK government cannot pay the money without breaching sanctions agreed with other international partners. It makes no difference what account they put it in at all, and that is fact wether you or I like it or not. Do you not think more noise directed at them from the rest of the international community would help? | |||
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"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on.
Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's.
Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place.
If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so .
How could BoZo as you call him do it exactly? What is it that you think he can personally do to release her from the trumped up bullshit charges due is being held on? As has been explained we cannot pay the money without falling foul of breaking sanctions and international law, so what is the option? Interested to know how it can be done exactly.
He could set up a group to look at alternative methods of payment, medicine, food, training
He could offer face to face talks
He could ask a third party to mediate
No evidence of him doing any of the above.
That's a 5 minute list without access to the support of the foreign office.
Her husband has just been on the radio, he had a meeting with Cleverly ( from memory ), meeting lasted 30 minutes, he left feeling depressed.
I dont think any of the methods of payment that you mentioned are allowed in law at present due to the sanctions. Also I doubt the Iranians would be interested, they clearly want the money. He could offer face to face talks but this would also have to be in agreement with various other nations that are involved in the sanctions against Iran, and those countries concern is nuclear capability not an innocent uk citizen, but maybe.
He could ask a 3rd party but I would imagine any pressure that can be applied that way has been done so, most of the UK allies have the same stance to Iran, and those countries that iran may listen to are not our allies so I really don't know who a 3rd party could be to be honest. I feel nothing but sympathy for her husband and rest of her family especially her young daughter and I find the behaviour of the Iranians in this respect abhorrent, if this is all about the tank money there is no justification for them to do what they have to this family, and maybe a far more concerted effort by the entire international community speaking out against Iran in this matter should happening.
Funny that a Tory minister was saying the swap deal might work but they haven't had talks yet.
We have no idea what he's done ( other than opening his mouth and getting her extra time )
BoZo has no legal justification for withholding the money. He could arrange for it to be deposited into an escrow account.
Let's be honest, he just can't be bothered.
Well if that's the case with a swap then they should pursue it, but I personally don't believe that's what the Iranians want regardless of what some mp says. The UK government cannot pay the money without breaching sanctions agreed with other international partners. It makes no difference what account they put it in at all, and that is fact wether you or I like it or not. Do you not think more noise directed at them from the rest of the international community would help?"The money can be paid but not to the government. Or it can be paid as goods. So the UK could say "right Iran, buy what you want from whoever you want, as long as it doesn't break sanctions, we'll cover the bill up to 400 mil, if you don't trust us, we'll deposit the money with a 3rd party, when she's home, the 3rd party will release the money for purchasing" | |||
"if boris was a real man a real leader hed go over there like rambo and just bring her back, ive seen loads of films where bruce willis does it, i bet kier would or jeremy "Kier would talk to them until they couldn't concentrate anymore, lost the will to live and just handed her back. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on.
Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's.
Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place.
If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so .
How could BoZo as you call him do it exactly? What is it that you think he can personally do to release her from the trumped up bullshit charges due is being held on? As has been explained we cannot pay the money without falling foul of breaking sanctions and international law, so what is the option? Interested to know how it can be done exactly.
He could set up a group to look at alternative methods of payment, medicine, food, training
He could offer face to face talks
He could ask a third party to mediate
No evidence of him doing any of the above.
That's a 5 minute list without access to the support of the foreign office.
Her husband has just been on the radio, he had a meeting with Cleverly ( from memory ), meeting lasted 30 minutes, he left feeling depressed.
I dont think any of the methods of payment that you mentioned are allowed in law at present due to the sanctions. Also I doubt the Iranians would be interested, they clearly want the money. He could offer face to face talks but this would also have to be in agreement with various other nations that are involved in the sanctions against Iran, and those countries concern is nuclear capability not an innocent uk citizen, but maybe.
He could ask a 3rd party but I would imagine any pressure that can be applied that way has been done so, most of the UK allies have the same stance to Iran, and those countries that iran may listen to are not our allies so I really don't know who a 3rd party could be to be honest. I feel nothing but sympathy for her husband and rest of her family especially her young daughter and I find the behaviour of the Iranians in this respect abhorrent, if this is all about the tank money there is no justification for them to do what they have to this family, and maybe a far more concerted effort by the entire international community speaking out against Iran in this matter should happening.
Funny that a Tory minister was saying the swap deal might work but they haven't had talks yet.
We have no idea what he's done ( other than opening his mouth and getting her extra time )
BoZo has no legal justification for withholding the money. He could arrange for it to be deposited into an escrow account.
Let's be honest, he just can't be bothered.
Well if that's the case with a swap then they should pursue it, but I personally don't believe that's what the Iranians want regardless of what some mp says. The UK government cannot pay the money without breaching sanctions agreed with other international partners. It makes no difference what account they put it in at all, and that is fact wether you or I like it or not. Do you not think more noise directed at them from the rest of the international community would help?
The money can be paid but not to the government.
Or it can be paid as goods. So the UK could say "right Iran, buy what you want from whoever you want, as long as it doesn't break sanctions, we'll cover the bill up to 400 mil, if you don't trust us, we'll deposit the money with a 3rd party, when she's home, the 3rd party will release the money for purchasing"
"Yes and that's the crux isn't it because the Iranians want money with interest paid to there government, they are not interested in buying anything from us that they can already purchase from anywhere else. Truly wish it was so simple. | |||
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"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on.
Sanctions of one sort or another were in place since the mid 80's.
Even with the nuclear deal ( which trump as you rightly say, ripped up) some form of sanctions were in place.
If BoZo wanted her out he could do it. You have to question his desire to do so .
How could BoZo as you call him do it exactly? What is it that you think he can personally do to release her from the trumped up bullshit charges due is being held on? As has been explained we cannot pay the money without falling foul of breaking sanctions and international law, so what is the option? Interested to know how it can be done exactly.
He could set up a group to look at alternative methods of payment, medicine, food, training
He could offer face to face talks
He could ask a third party to mediate
No evidence of him doing any of the above.
That's a 5 minute list without access to the support of the foreign office.
Her husband has just been on the radio, he had a meeting with Cleverly ( from memory ), meeting lasted 30 minutes, he left feeling depressed.
I dont think any of the methods of payment that you mentioned are allowed in law at present due to the sanctions. Also I doubt the Iranians would be interested, they clearly want the money. He could offer face to face talks but this would also have to be in agreement with various other nations that are involved in the sanctions against Iran, and those countries concern is nuclear capability not an innocent uk citizen, but maybe.
He could ask a 3rd party but I would imagine any pressure that can be applied that way has been done so, most of the UK allies have the same stance to Iran, and those countries that iran may listen to are not our allies so I really don't know who a 3rd party could be to be honest. I feel nothing but sympathy for her husband and rest of her family especially her young daughter and I find the behaviour of the Iranians in this respect abhorrent, if this is all about the tank money there is no justification for them to do what they have to this family, and maybe a far more concerted effort by the entire international community speaking out against Iran in this matter should happening.
Funny that a Tory minister was saying the swap deal might work but they haven't had talks yet.
We have no idea what he's done ( other than opening his mouth and getting her extra time )
BoZo has no legal justification for withholding the money. He could arrange for it to be deposited into an escrow account.
Let's be honest, he just can't be bothered.
Well if that's the case with a swap then they should pursue it, but I personally don't believe that's what the Iranians want regardless of what some mp says. The UK government cannot pay the money without breaching sanctions agreed with other international partners. It makes no difference what account they put it in at all, and that is fact wether you or I like it or not. Do you not think more noise directed at them from the rest of the international community would help?
The money can be paid but not to the government.
Or it can be paid as goods. So the UK could say "right Iran, buy what you want from whoever you want, as long as it doesn't break sanctions, we'll cover the bill up to 400 mil, if you don't trust us, we'll deposit the money with a 3rd party, when she's home, the 3rd party will release the money for purchasing"
Yes and that's the crux isn't it because the Iranians want money with interest paid to there government, they are not interested in buying anything from us that they can already purchase from anywhere else. Truly wish it was so simple. "They lost the legal case re interest. They don't have to buy from us. We just pay. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
We have it in the bank. We want to pay it back. It just needs a mechanism that doesn't break the sanctions currently applied to Iran. . Exactly this
The US managed it.
Sanctions didnt apply from 2015 until 2018, when Donald Trump ripped up tbe Iran nuclear deal and put sanctions back on. "Absolutely correct | |||
"No sure of this but I seem to remember Boris opening his mouth just as they thought she was being released and they said his words confirmed she was a spy.. Corrections accepted.. "Absolutely correct it was called a mistake at the time. Mr Johnson is to blame. | |||
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"Boris messed up her case when he was Foreign secretary by not taking proper advice before opening his mouth " That’s a surprise !! Boris not doing detail that’s unheard of! | |||
"if boris was a real man a real leader hed go over there like rambo and just bring her back, ive seen loads of films where bruce willis does it, i bet kier would or jeremy
Kier would talk to them until they couldn't concentrate anymore, lost the will to live and just handed her back. "its a plan, captain talk you to death man.... costume has a big mouth on front? | |||
"if boris was a real man a real leader hed go over there like rambo and just bring her back, ive seen loads of films where bruce willis does it, i bet kier would or jeremy
Kier would talk to them until they couldn't concentrate anymore, lost the will to live and just handed her back.
its a plan, captain talk you to death man.... costume has a big mouth on front? "Your point is? | |||
"Apparently, some deal was done where the UK would pay 400 million owed to Iran through some trade deal but would break sanction rules so won't at up after saying they would I'd love to know the details of that Again, if the US managed it... https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/11/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-iran-uk-debt-arms-deal Thanks for the link Reading that we can't pay back to the Iranian government, but can pay the Iranian central bank. If so, why not pay it? If it's the US then pick up the phone to Biden." The Americans are worried that the money would be distributed to Hezbollah, with the inference that it would fund regional terrorism. | |||
"if boris was a real man a real leader hed go over there like rambo and just bring her back, ive seen loads of films where bruce willis does it, i bet kier would or jeremy
Kier would talk to them until they couldn't concentrate anymore, lost the will to live and just handed her back.
its a plan, captain talk you to death man.... costume has a big mouth on front?
Your point is?"Oh dear, ego still hurting from past banter | |||
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"if boris was a real man a real leader hed go over there like rambo and just bring her back, ive seen loads of films where bruce willis does it, i bet kier would or jeremy
Kier would talk to them until they couldn't concentrate anymore, lost the will to live and just handed her back.
its a plan, captain talk you to death man.... costume has a big mouth on front?
Your point is?
Oh dear, ego still hurting from past banter "Thanks for your input. I'll give it due consideration . | |||
"if boris was a real man a real leader hed go over there like rambo and just bring her back, ive seen loads of films where bruce willis does it, i bet kier would or jeremy
Kier would talk to them until they couldn't concentrate anymore, lost the will to live and just handed her back.
its a plan, captain talk you to death man.... costume has a big mouth on front?
Your point is?
Oh dear, ego still hurting from past banter
Thanks for your input.
I'll give it due consideration ."How about we bring back imperialism? | |||
"No sure of this but I seem to remember Boris opening his mouth just as they thought she was being released and they said his words confirmed she was a spy.. Corrections accepted.. "They were never going to let her go  | |||
"No sure of this but I seem to remember Boris opening his mouth just as they thought she was being released and they said his words confirmed she was a spy.. Corrections accepted..
They were never going to let her go "Just like China and Canada with Huawei, hostage diplomacy is the new dance in town. | |||
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"if boris was a real man a real leader hed go over there like rambo and just bring her back, ive seen loads of films where bruce willis does it, i bet kier would or jeremy
Kier would talk to them until they couldn't concentrate anymore, lost the will to live and just handed her back.
its a plan, captain talk you to death man.... costume has a big mouth on front?
Your point is?
Oh dear, ego still hurting from past banter "Ah the "banter" defence Please try and stay on topic. | |||
"For a warmongering nation and the way they have treated her they deserve nothing. I've had to face them down the end of barrel in 1987, it was UK made in Vosper thornycrofts. They claim they are nation of standing then they should stand by what sentence timescale they issue. The money would be used in places like Yemen, Syria to create misery not for the wellbeing of their own people. " The thing is, it is their money, we have no control over what they do with it. | |||
"For a warmongering nation and the way they have treated her they deserve nothing. I've had to face them down the end of barrel in 1987, it was UK made in Vosper thornycrofts. They claim they are nation of standing then they should stand by what sentence timescale they issue. The money would be used in places like Yemen, Syria to create misery not for the wellbeing of their own people. The thing is, it is their money, we have no control over what they do with it. " I agree it’s their money they should have it back but also release the people that they are holding hostages on trumped up charges. Once that’s done cut them loose | |||
"For a warmongering nation and the way they have treated her they deserve nothing. I've had to face them down the end of barrel in 1987, it was UK made in Vosper thornycrofts. They claim they are nation of standing then they should stand by what sentence timescale they issue. The money would be used in places like Yemen, Syria to create misery not for the wellbeing of their own people. The thing is, it is their money, we have no control over what they do with it. I agree it’s their money they should have it back but also release the people that they are holding hostages on trumped up charges. Once that’s done cut them loose "Fine, let's hope the government get their act together, it might also divert attention from their sleaze. | |||
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"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used" Funny the courts don't agree | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree" I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that" I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. | |||
"if boris was a real man a real leader hed go over there like rambo and just bring her back, ive seen loads of films where bruce willis does it, i bet kier would or jeremy
Kier would talk to them until they couldn't concentrate anymore, lost the will to live and just handed her back.
its a plan, captain talk you to death man.... costume has a big mouth on front?
Your point is?
Oh dear, ego still hurting from past banter
Ah the "banter" defence
Please try and stay on topic."yep, looks like it is, sad really | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?" as I believe she went there by her own free will so I don't really see why it's a governments fault yes try to help but still was her choice. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?as I believe she went there by her own free will so I don't really see why it's a governments fault yes try to help but still was her choice." It wasn't her choice to be held hostage, and it wasn't her choice for BoZo Johnson to make it worse. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?as I believe she went there by her own free will so I don't really see why it's a governments fault yes try to help but still was her choice. It wasn't her choice to be held hostage, and it wasn't her choice for BoZo Johnson to make it worse." I agree bozo didn't help but you put your arm in a lions cage don't moan it bites you | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?as I believe she went there by her own free will so I don't really see why it's a governments fault yes try to help but still was her choice. It wasn't her choice to be held hostage, and it wasn't her choice for BoZo Johnson to make it worse." I agree but blowjob did t make her go there | |||
"For a warmongering nation and the way they have treated her they deserve nothing. I've had to face them down the end of barrel in 1987, it was UK made in Vosper thornycrofts. They claim they are nation of standing then they should stand by what sentence timescale they issue. The money would be used in places like Yemen, Syria to create misery not for the wellbeing of their own people. " We aren't so sweet clean. The West have meddled so much in the region and been badgering them for decades, the result is an iran we have to deal with today. It's funny how we condemn them yet turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's machinations Perhaps stop fucking them around and treat them fairly? | |||
"For a warmongering nation and the way they have treated her they deserve nothing. I've had to face them down the end of barrel in 1987, it was UK made in Vosper thornycrofts. They claim they are nation of standing then they should stand by what sentence timescale they issue. The money would be used in places like Yemen, Syria to create misery not for the wellbeing of their own people. We aren't so sweet clean. The West have meddled so much in the region and been badgering them for decades, the result is an iran we have to deal with today. It's funny how we condemn them yet turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's machinations Perhaps stop fucking them around and treat them fairly? " I don’t condem any country I’d like us to keep the fuck out of the region forever leave them be no meddling no arms no aid | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?as I believe she went there by her own free will so I don't really see why it's a governments fault yes try to help but still was her choice. It wasn't her choice to be held hostage, and it wasn't her choice for BoZo Johnson to make it worse.I agree bozo didn't help but you put your arm in a lions cage don't moan it bites you " She went to see her family. She became a pawn in this. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?as I believe she went there by her own free will so I don't really see why it's a governments fault yes try to help but still was her choice. It wasn't her choice to be held hostage, and it wasn't her choice for BoZo Johnson to make it worse.I agree bozo didn't help but you put your arm in a lions cage don't moan it bites you She went to see her family. She became a pawn in this." | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?" He was the worst head diplomat we had.. and that includes rabb who was all round hated at the FCO for not having a clue (people who know people) Too late to open his mouth when he needed to .. and couldn’t keep it shut long enough for gaffes to not come out of it…. He was a walking disaster as foreign secretary | |||
"For a warmongering nation and the way they have treated her they deserve nothing. I've had to face them down the end of barrel in 1987, it was UK made in Vosper thornycrofts. They claim they are nation of standing then they should stand by what sentence timescale they issue. The money would be used in places like Yemen, Syria to create misery not for the wellbeing of their own people. We aren't so sweet clean. The West have meddled so much in the region and been badgering them for decades, the result is an iran we have to deal with today. It's funny how we condemn them yet turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's machinations Perhaps stop fucking them around and treat them fairly? I don’t condem any country I’d like us to keep the fuck out of the region forever leave them be no meddling no arms no aid " | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?as I believe she went there by her own free will so I don't really see why it's a governments fault yes try to help but still was her choice. It wasn't her choice to be held hostage, and it wasn't her choice for BoZo Johnson to make it worse.I agree bozo didn't help but you put your arm in a lions cage don't moan it bites you She went to see her family. She became a pawn in this." family or not what did she expect to happen so im afraid she's the one to blame for putting herself in the situation. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie?as I believe she went there by her own free will so I don't really see why it's a governments fault yes try to help but still was her choice. It wasn't her choice to be held hostage, and it wasn't her choice for BoZo Johnson to make it worse.I agree bozo didn't help but you put your arm in a lions cage don't moan it bites you She went to see her family. She became a pawn in this. family or not what did she expect to happen so im afraid she's the one to blame for putting herself in the situation." Nonsense | |||
"For a warmongering nation and the way they have treated her they deserve nothing. I've had to face them down the end of barrel in 1987, it was UK made in Vosper thornycrofts. They claim they are nation of standing then they should stand by what sentence timescale they issue. The money would be used in places like Yemen, Syria to create misery not for the wellbeing of their own people. We aren't so sweet clean. The West have meddled so much in the region and been badgering them for decades, the result is an iran we have to deal with today. It's funny how we condemn them yet turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's machinations Perhaps stop fucking them around and treat them fairly? Have you forgot that, we tried that idea, that is why this mess exists, who sold them ships and just what do you think the money is compensation for, yep, the non supply of tanks we once promised them. I have no favourites amongst any of them in that region, even Saudi Arabia. Stability comes with harsh control by those in charge, something the west now realises. In the 80's I had to put 2 stamps on a post card so it got through their postal system, even there peace is a thin veneer. " | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that." Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality | |||
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"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality " Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole " More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money " Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck "Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully "Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason. | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason."Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason.
Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety "If you don't like men women and children getting killed, why aren't you protesting about weapon sales to Saudi Arabia? Sorry to inform you that after arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth they are using it to attack their neighbours. Get her home. | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason.
Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety
If you don't like men women and children getting killed, why aren't you protesting about weapon sales to Saudi Arabia? Sorry to inform you that after arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth they are using it to attack their neighbours.
Get her home."Because you're post wasn't about Saudi Arabia. And why do you think it's OK to arm Iran and not SA? Also you couldn't inform me of anything if you tried. It's my job to monitor the movement of weapons and money that will be used to buy weapons | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason.
Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety
If you don't like men women and children getting killed, why aren't you protesting about weapon sales to Saudi Arabia? Sorry to inform you that after arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth they are using it to attack their neighbours.
Get her home.
Because you're post wasn't about Saudi Arabia. And why do you think it's OK to arm Iran and not SA?
Also you couldn't inform me of anything if you tried. It's my job to monitor the movement of weapons and money that will be used to buy weapons "Great job . Where did I say arm Iran, you might want to look at the thread and the options put forward. And you are the one mentioning other actors. Try again. | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason.
Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety
If you don't like men women and children getting killed, why aren't you protesting about weapon sales to Saudi Arabia? Sorry to inform you that after arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth they are using it to attack their neighbours.
Get her home.
Because you're post wasn't about Saudi Arabia. And why do you think it's OK to arm Iran and not SA?
Also you couldn't inform me of anything if you tried. It's my job to monitor the movement of weapons and money that will be used to buy weapons
Great job .
Where did I say arm Iran, you might want to look at the thread and the options put forward.
And you are the one mentioning other actors.
Try again."Err you mentioned Saudi Arabia not me. You want to give Iran 400 million with no regard as to how that money will be used | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason.
Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety
If you don't like men women and children getting killed, why aren't you protesting about weapon sales to Saudi Arabia? Sorry to inform you that after arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth they are using it to attack their neighbours.
Get her home.
Because you're post wasn't about Saudi Arabia. And why do you think it's OK to arm Iran and not SA?
Also you couldn't inform me of anything if you tried. It's my job to monitor the movement of weapons and money that will be used to buy weapons
Great job .
Where did I say arm Iran, you might want to look at the thread and the options put forward.
And you are the one mentioning other actors.
Try again.
Err you mentioned Saudi Arabia not me. You want to give Iran 400 million with no regard as to how that money will be used"Can you remind me of who mentioned hizbollah? And please cut and paste where I've said give money with no regards as to how that money will be used Try again. | |||
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"If a country owed the UK money would you support the UK detaining one of their people until the owed money is paid back" No but then we are a totally different country with totally different values | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason.
Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety
If you don't like men women and children getting killed, why aren't you protesting about weapon sales to Saudi Arabia? Sorry to inform you that after arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth they are using it to attack their neighbours.
Get her home.
Because you're post wasn't about Saudi Arabia. And why do you think it's OK to arm Iran and not SA?
Also you couldn't inform me of anything if you tried. It's my job to monitor the movement of weapons and money that will be used to buy weapons
Great job .
Where did I say arm Iran, you might want to look at the thread and the options put forward.
And you are the one mentioning other actors.
Try again.
Err you mentioned Saudi Arabia not me. You want to give Iran 400 million with no regard as to how that money will be used
Can you remind me of who mentioned hizbollah?
And please cut and paste where I've said give money with no regards as to how that money will be used
Try again."I mentioned Hezbollah because Iran funds them, you pulled SA from thin air. If you cared about how the money will be used you wouldn't be advocating giving it to them | |||
"If a country owed the UK money would you support the UK detaining one of their people until the owed money is paid back" Of course they wouldn't. In that scenario their views would be the exact opposite | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason.
Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety
If you don't like men women and children getting killed, why aren't you protesting about weapon sales to Saudi Arabia? Sorry to inform you that after arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth they are using it to attack their neighbours.
Get her home.
Because you're post wasn't about Saudi Arabia. And why do you think it's OK to arm Iran and not SA?
Also you couldn't inform me of anything if you tried. It's my job to monitor the movement of weapons and money that will be used to buy weapons
Great job .
Where did I say arm Iran, you might want to look at the thread and the options put forward.
And you are the one mentioning other actors.
Try again.
Err you mentioned Saudi Arabia not me. You want to give Iran 400 million with no regard as to how that money will be used
Can you remind me of who mentioned hizbollah?
And please cut and paste where I've said give money with no regards as to how that money will be used
Try again.
I mentioned Hezbollah because Iran funds them, you pulled SA from thin air. If you cared about how the money will be used you wouldn't be advocating giving it to them"Thin air? You do realise that they are the other regional super power, fund armed groups, pretty much what Iran does. It's not our money. | |||
"The 400 million was paid to the UK by the Shah of Iran before he was toppled by the Islamic Republic. After that the UK refused to hand back the money. Given what happened next under Ayotollah Khomeini I would say they were right then and I would say that they are right now given that we know how it will be used Funny the courts don't agree I know they don't. Or didn't. Legally Iran may have a case but I'm quite happy for the government not to hand them 400 million. You are obviously OK with it and I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that I want her back. She's a pawn in a political game. No one deserves that. Correct. Iran are using her as a pawn in a situation created 40 years ago when the Ayotollah overthrew the Shah You're OK with giving Iran 400 million, and I think it's an utterly idiotic, I'll thought-out idea from people who deal in platitudes instead of reality Sorry the facts don't sit neatly with your simplistic world view. We are not giving Iran 400 million, we have a legal obligation to return 400 million we stole More ill thought-out platitudes. Why don't you start a go fund me page if you think it's such a great idea to give Iran money Ah, the "I don't actually have a coherent argument so I'll resort to ranting in the hope it covers up lack of knowledge" technique, it's a difficult one to pull off. Good luck
Yeah keep digging. You've made it quite clear that you think it's a good idea to give millions to Iran. Not much more I can add, you've made my point beautifully
Sorry, you have a point? I thought you were just displaying your lack of empathy for some reason.
Where is your empathy for the men, women and children that will suffer and die when that money is handed over to Hezbollah? But like I've said you only ever deal in ill thought-out platitudes of the shallowest variety
If you don't like men women and children getting killed, why aren't you protesting about weapon sales to Saudi Arabia? Sorry to inform you that after arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth they are using it to attack their neighbours.
Get her home.
Because you're post wasn't about Saudi Arabia. And why do you think it's OK to arm Iran and not SA?
Also you couldn't inform me of anything if you tried. It's my job to monitor the movement of weapons and money that will be used to buy weapons
Great job .
Where did I say arm Iran, you might want to look at the thread and the options put forward.
And you are the one mentioning other actors.
Try again.
Err you mentioned Saudi Arabia not me. You want to give Iran 400 million with no regard as to how that money will be used
Can you remind me of who mentioned hizbollah?
And please cut and paste where I've said give money with no regards as to how that money will be used
Try again.
I mentioned Hezbollah because Iran funds them, you pulled SA from thin air. If you cared about how the money will be used you wouldn't be advocating giving it to them
Thin air?
You do realise that they are the other regional super power, fund armed groups, pretty much what Iran does.
It's not our money. "Glad to see you nailing your pro Iranian flag to the mast for all to see. Its not our money but thank fook we're not giving it back to them too | |||
Just like any other transaction.
It was paid in good faith and so should be returned in good faith.
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"It’s still irrelevant what we think they may or may not do with the money it’s theirs not ours. It was payment for goods that were never delivered and so should be refunded
Just like any other transaction.
It was paid in good faith and so should be returned in good faith.
"No, you're so concerned with being moral that you've drift into the realms of amoralism | |||
"It’s still irrelevant what we think they may or may not do with the money it’s theirs not ours. It was payment for goods that were never delivered and so should be refunded
Just like any other transaction.
It was paid in good faith and so should be returned in good faith.
No, you're so concerned with being moral that you've drift into the realms of amoralism "So if someone owes you a lot of money that you paid them for goods not supplied you’re just going to say that’s ok and just let it go ?
You don’t know what they would use their own money to buy or do what they want with it it’s all just supposition.
Not having a go but the reality is it’s their money!!! | |||
"It’s still irrelevant what we think they may or may not do with the money it’s theirs not ours. It was payment for goods that were never delivered and so should be refunded
Just like any other transaction.
It was paid in good faith and so should be returned in good faith.
No, you're so concerned with being moral that you've drift into the realms of amoralism
So if someone owes you a lot of money that you paid them for goods not supplied you’re just going to say that’s ok and just let it go ?
You don’t know what they would use their own money to buy or do what they want with it it’s all just supposition.
Not having a go but the reality is it’s their money!!!"I know you're not having a go mate. Iran is heavily sanctioned for very good reasons. It really would be a terrible idea to give them any money, whether it's theirs or not. We do the same thing when we freeze the assets of dictatorial regimes. For very good reason | |||
"It’s still irrelevant what we think they may or may not do with the money it’s theirs not ours. It was payment for goods that were never delivered and so should be refunded
Just like any other transaction.
It was paid in good faith and so should be returned in good faith.
No, you're so concerned with being moral that you've drift into the realms of amoralism
So if someone owes you a lot of money that you paid them for goods not supplied you’re just going to say that’s ok and just let it go ?
You don’t know what they would use their own money to buy or do what they want with it it’s all just supposition.
Not having a go but the reality is it’s their money!!!
I know you're not having a go mate.
Iran is heavily sanctioned for very good reasons. It really would be a terrible idea to give them any money, whether it's theirs or not. We do the same thing when we freeze the assets of dictatorial regimes. For very good reason"That simply doesn't stack up When we impose sanctions on a country it's within a legal framework. Now as we know the current government aren't that keen on the rule of law, and in this case the law says pay the money. | |||
"If a country owed the UK money would you support the UK detaining one of their people until the owed money is paid back No but then we are a totally different country with totally different values "Well seems we done business with them back then. As its their right to spend the money as they like why not supply the equipment they paid for. Then we have fulfilled the order and they get what they wanted to spend their money on | |||
"If a country owed the UK money would you support the UK detaining one of their people until the owed money is paid back No but then we are a totally different country with totally different values
Well seems we done business with them back then. As its their right to spend the money as they like why not supply the equipment they paid for. Then we have fulfilled the order and they get what they wanted to spend their money on"I some how dont think the rest of the world would be too happy if we gave them 400m pounds worth of some of the best battle tanks in the world bud to be fair. Although I do agree its there money, no argument there. | |||
"If a country owed the UK money would you support the UK detaining one of their people until the owed money is paid back No but then we are a totally different country with totally different values
Well seems we done business with them back then. As its their right to spend the money as they like why not supply the equipment they paid for. Then we have fulfilled the order and they get what they wanted to spend their money on
I some how dont think the rest of the world would be too happy if we gave them 400m pounds worth of some of the best battle tanks in the world bud to be fair. Although I do agree its there money, no argument there."I was under the impression this deal goes back quite a few years so they would get old tech battle tanks though probably still better than what they normally have. Your right though the world would not be happy but highlights what they could do if we did give back the money | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back."It's NOT our money, so they should give it back and all this, plus many other hostages and hostility will end. We have every right to cancel the contract and delivery but to steal the money and not refund it is the reason for all this. It's not worth the hassle and the cash should be put on a plane and dropped off in exchange for all political hostages caused by this. Boris makes many promises he fails to keep and for as long as he is PM and the money isn't given back - she ain't getting out. His big mouth put her there and now she is being used to prod him. | |||
"BoZo Johnson promised to get her out. Yet another BoZo Johnson lie? To be fair it’s the Iranians who are holding her on trumped up charges and nothing anyone can do about it
Absolutely trumped up charges.
We owe them 400m pounds. They want it back.
It's NOT our money, so they should give it back and all this, plus many other hostages and hostility will end.
We have every right to cancel the contract and delivery but to steal the money and not refund it is the reason for all this.
It's not worth the hassle and the cash should be put on a plane and dropped off in exchange for all political hostages caused by this.
Boris makes many promises he fails to keep and for as long as he is PM and the money isn't given back - she ain't getting out.
His big mouth put her there and now she is being used to prod him." | |||
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