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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
In a bid to keep the Brexit war front and centre in the minds of the believers, the U.K. is now drawing up plans to quit Horizon and go it alone.
It yet to be seen if the U.K.’s own proposed science fund will be world-leading, world-beating, or if it will be something that will just exist in name only. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
So the world wants to come together and we prefer to back off and play on our own.
Is that really what moving forward as the human race in the U.K. is all about?
It’s my ball and if I’m not Bobby Charlton I’m not playing. |
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The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been. |
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"So the world wants to come together and we prefer to back off and play on our own.
Is that really what moving forward as the human race in the U.K. is all about?
It’s my ball and if I’m not Bobby Charlton I’m not playing. "
a slightly balding charlton you mean lol you been waching KES ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been."
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about renaging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"In a bid to keep the Brexit war front and centre in the minds of the believers, the U.K. is now drawing up plans to quit Horizon and go it alone.
It yet to be seen if the U.K.’s own proposed science fund will be world-leading, world-beating, or if it will be something that will just exist in name only."
I agree with the general premise here. Someone other than this Government and this process has to be to blame, so still the EU. |
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"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about renaging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics."
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status. |
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"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about renaging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics.
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status."
The piece about the scientists and academics approaching the EU commission to resolve this as also in the guardian on nov 4th. Both easy to find with Google mate. |
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"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about renaging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics.
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status.
The piece about the scientists and academics approaching the EU commission to resolve this as also in the guardian on nov 4th. Both easy to find with Google mate."
The last piece really is worth a read because the list of people that approached the commission over this included all European academies, the 15 top leading medical universities in Germany, a prominent group of Belgian scientists, these are not nobody's by any stretch. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about reneging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics.
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status.
The piece about the scientists and academics approaching the EU commission to resolve this as also in the guardian on nov 4th. Both easy to find with Google mate.
The last piece really is worth a read because the list of people that approached the commission over this included all European academies, the 15 top leading medical universities in Germany, a prominent group of Belgian scientists, these are not nobody's by any stretch."
Misunderstanding then. Horizon 2020 is the existing programme. Horizon Europe is the upcoming one.
Why do you think it would be divorced from politics if we are doing the same thing on a larger scale? As the article that you are quoting indicates. |
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"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about reneging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics.
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status.
The piece about the scientists and academics approaching the EU commission to resolve this as also in the guardian on nov 4th. Both easy to find with Google mate.
The last piece really is worth a read because the list of people that approached the commission over this included all European academies, the 15 top leading medical universities in Germany, a prominent group of Belgian scientists, these are not nobody's by any stretch.
Misunderstanding then. Horizon 2020 is the existing programme. Horizon Europe is the upcoming one.
Why do you think it would be divorced from politics if we are doing the same thing on a larger scale? As the article that you are quoting indicates."
I would guess my answer is the same as all those academics that signed the letter to the EU commission, these science projects are for the potential benefit of people across the globe and petty squabbles between politicians should not jeopardise things with such importance as the horizon Europe project. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about reneging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics.
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status.
The piece about the scientists and academics approaching the EU commission to resolve this as also in the guardian on nov 4th. Both easy to find with Google mate.
The last piece really is worth a read because the list of people that approached the commission over this included all European academies, the 15 top leading medical universities in Germany, a prominent group of Belgian scientists, these are not nobody's by any stretch.
Misunderstanding then. Horizon 2020 is the existing programme. Horizon Europe is the upcoming one.
Why do you think it would be divorced from politics if we are doing the same thing on a larger scale? As the article that you are quoting indicates.
I would guess my answer is the same as all those academics that signed the letter to the EU commission, these science projects are for the potential benefit of people across the globe and petty squabbles between politicians should not jeopardise things with such importance as the horizon Europe project. "
It's still politics. There's thus COP26 thing going on too. Much better tempered. Much higher stakes.
Still politics.
If we were an innocent party I would be more inclined to agree, but are not, so everything is including submarines and fish. |
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"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about reneging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics.
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status.
The piece about the scientists and academics approaching the EU commission to resolve this as also in the guardian on nov 4th. Both easy to find with Google mate.
The last piece really is worth a read because the list of people that approached the commission over this included all European academies, the 15 top leading medical universities in Germany, a prominent group of Belgian scientists, these are not nobody's by any stretch.
Misunderstanding then. Horizon 2020 is the existing programme. Horizon Europe is the upcoming one.
Why do you think it would be divorced from politics if we are doing the same thing on a larger scale? As the article that you are quoting indicates.
I would guess my answer is the same as all those academics that signed the letter to the EU commission, these science projects are for the potential benefit of people across the globe and petty squabbles between politicians should not jeopardise things with such importance as the horizon Europe project.
It's still politics. There's thus COP26 thing going on too. Much better tempered. Much higher stakes.
Still politics.
If we were an innocent party I would be more inclined to agree, but are not, so everything is including submarines and fish."
Well I have a different opinion i guess, to me the need for these projects far eclipses all the brexit bollocks that is going on, the bigger picture for all of humanity should be more important in my opinion, not the UK trying to get one up on the EU and not the EU trying to punish the UK by withholding full association. You mention cop26 in your reply and its precisely why projects like this need to continue unabated to help come up with new technologies to help us adapt. It seems as i said scientists and academics from across the world also feel the same. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about reneging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics.
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status.
The piece about the scientists and academics approaching the EU commission to resolve this as also in the guardian on nov 4th. Both easy to find with Google mate.
The last piece really is worth a read because the list of people that approached the commission over this included all European academies, the 15 top leading medical universities in Germany, a prominent group of Belgian scientists, these are not nobody's by any stretch.
Misunderstanding then. Horizon 2020 is the existing programme. Horizon Europe is the upcoming one.
Why do you think it would be divorced from politics if we are doing the same thing on a larger scale? As the article that you are quoting indicates.
I would guess my answer is the same as all those academics that signed the letter to the EU commission, these science projects are for the potential benefit of people across the globe and petty squabbles between politicians should not jeopardise things with such importance as the horizon Europe project.
It's still politics. There's thus COP26 thing going on too. Much better tempered. Much higher stakes.
Still politics.
If we were an innocent party I would be more inclined to agree, but are not, so everything is including submarines and fish.
Well I have a different opinion i guess, to me the need for these projects far eclipses all the brexit bollocks that is going on, the bigger picture for all of humanity should be more important in my opinion, not the UK trying to get one up on the EU and not the EU trying to punish the UK by withholding full association. You mention cop26 in your reply and its precisely why projects like this need to continue unabated to help come up with new technologies to help us adapt. It seems as i said scientists and academics from across the world also feel the same."
I'm not saying that I agree. I'm saying that it's the reality.
If it was all about logic rather than emotion climate change wouldn't be a crisis and Brexit wouldn't have happened.
Poljtics should be the crossroads but we have drifted well out of the logic zone for all manner of societal and personality reasons. |
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"The eu has held up our ratification on this for months, the UK gov and scientific community has asked for an explanation many times and there has been pressure from other scientists around europe over this too because the stalling of our ratification is holding up teams being assembled for projects to start work across Europe and the world. For some reason this seems to have got lumped in with brexit and is now being used as a tool by both sides it seems even though this was separate or should have been.
Curious. UK companies are receiving Horizon grants right now, so I don't k ow where your information is coming from. The doubt is new and sadly from our side.
The funding scale and level of collaboration is not ever going to reach that of 28.
Horizon is a EU based scheme, which we are (or were) paying to remain in. If we are still shouting about reneging on something that we agreed to they are under no obligation to sign anything new. They are not independent of politics.
There was a piece in the guardian a few weeks ago that stated we were still waiting for full association status and due to that funding for uk participants is locked until we receive full status, the EU commission said that although we are being treat as a full member the funding needs full status.
The piece about the scientists and academics approaching the EU commission to resolve this as also in the guardian on nov 4th. Both easy to find with Google mate.
The last piece really is worth a read because the list of people that approached the commission over this included all European academies, the 15 top leading medical universities in Germany, a prominent group of Belgian scientists, these are not nobody's by any stretch.
Misunderstanding then. Horizon 2020 is the existing programme. Horizon Europe is the upcoming one.
Why do you think it would be divorced from politics if we are doing the same thing on a larger scale? As the article that you are quoting indicates.
I would guess my answer is the same as all those academics that signed the letter to the EU commission, these science projects are for the potential benefit of people across the globe and petty squabbles between politicians should not jeopardise things with such importance as the horizon Europe project.
It's still politics. There's thus COP26 thing going on too. Much better tempered. Much higher stakes.
Still politics.
If we were an innocent party I would be more inclined to agree, but are not, so everything is including submarines and fish.
Well I have a different opinion i guess, to me the need for these projects far eclipses all the brexit bollocks that is going on, the bigger picture for all of humanity should be more important in my opinion, not the UK trying to get one up on the EU and not the EU trying to punish the UK by withholding full association. You mention cop26 in your reply and its precisely why projects like this need to continue unabated to help come up with new technologies to help us adapt. It seems as i said scientists and academics from across the world also feel the same.
I'm not saying that I agree. I'm saying that it's the reality.
If it was all about logic rather than emotion climate change wouldn't be a crisis and Brexit wouldn't have happened.
Poljtics should be the crossroads but we have drifted well out of the logic zone for all manner of societal and personality reasons."
A sad reality when so much more is at stake, but then those playing the games and arguing both in the EU and the UK government won't be the ones to suffer, there nests are well and truly already made. |
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