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over a year ago
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys  "
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys "
No you couldn’t make it up but yet here you are attempting to make it up. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools."
looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m "
Absolutely true as well. Corbyn led Labour were a shambles that couldn’t decide which way the wind was blowing and Lib Dems were...??!!!! Who knows.
Anyone who thinks the UK and FPTP electoral system is properly democratic is deluded. It has always favoured the Conservatives and is going to be even more the case with the Electoral Reform they will push through.
But people still voted for Tories in 2019, many if whom never would have but did so purely due to Brexit. This is mostly on them! |
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"Its a political forum or is it only for the UK politics? no need for you remainers to get so triggered because its about the EU. "
Lol, this is very funny. Haven't people who think brexit is a good idea, been sitting in weatherspoons reading the sun getting "triggered" by fake stories about the EU for decades?
Bendy bananas
Standard sized euro-coffins
Dogs trained to snuff sausages
Etc |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
Absolutely true as well. Corbyn led Labour were a shambles that couldn’t decide which way the wind was blowing and Lib Dems were...??!!!! Who knows.
Anyone who thinks the UK and FPTP electoral system is properly democratic is deluded. It has always favoured the Conservatives and is going to be even more the case with the Electoral Reform they will push through.
But people still voted for Tories in 2019, many if whom never would have but did so purely due to Brexit. This is mostly on them!"
makes u think why everyone who wanted to remain didnt just vote lib dem as they were the only ones who said they would cancel brexit,instead everyone either stuck with the party who they always voted for or they tried to pull of gina millers lunatic idea of tactical voting |
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"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m "
So yet again "someone else to blame" |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"yet more anti-eu hate threads by the brextremists then ... que sopresa"
Its not an anti eu hate thread as you like to put it.
If you cannot see that the mep,s that have been elected by the people are just pawns to the un elected commissioners, this is not democracy and is exactly the reason i wanted to leave. The parliament the elected people should have the power not un elected commissioners and if you cant see that there is something wrong with that i cant help you.  |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
So yet again "someone else to blame""
your talking like i voted lol,just giving my take on why the torys got a massive majority,if jo swindle hadnt been so deluded thinking she could become p.m mabey she wouldnt of given boris a g.e. Talk about ideas above her station she couldnt even hold on to her own seat,just pointing out who the hell did they think anyone who voted to leave was gona vote for in that g.e, like i said perhaps those who wanted to remain should of voted for the party that was going to cancel it instead of spreading there votes over several different partys,i dont vote so dont care who gets in,its never affected my life no matter what clowns are in charge |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"let go of your hate, it's made you very bitter indeed.  That all you got, dont fancy debating the thread then? "
Hey Costafun, I am genuinely interested in hearing from Brexit supporters such as yourself:
1) What aspects of your life are genuinely better as a result of the UK leaving the EU?
2) What are your hopes and dreams for the future (for your own life as you grow older and that if your family) that will only be enabled by the UK being out of the EU?
No rhetoric or soundbites. No propaganda. Genuine grassroots benefits that will directly positively impact you and yours?
This is not intended to be a beartrap. I am honestly interested to try and understand your thinking and support for Brexit. |
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"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
So yet again "someone else to blame"your talking like i voted lol,just giving my take on why the torys got a massive majority,if jo swindle hadnt been so deluded thinking she could become p.m mabey she wouldnt of given boris a g.e. Talk about ideas above her station she couldnt even hold on to her own seat,just pointing out who the hell did they think anyone who voted to leave was gona vote for in that g.e, like i said perhaps those who wanted to remain should of voted for the party that was going to cancel it instead of spreading there votes over several different partys,i dont vote so dont care who gets in,its never affected my life no matter what clowns are in charge"
It's never affected your life?
So you don't use the NHS, or pay taxes, or drive, or breath air from around roads?
Astounding |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
So yet again "someone else to blame"your talking like i voted lol,just giving my take on why the torys got a massive majority,if jo swindle hadnt been so deluded thinking she could become p.m mabey she wouldnt of given boris a g.e. Talk about ideas above her station she couldnt even hold on to her own seat,just pointing out who the hell did they think anyone who voted to leave was gona vote for in that g.e, like i said perhaps those who wanted to remain should of voted for the party that was going to cancel it instead of spreading there votes over several different partys,i dont vote so dont care who gets in,its never affected my life no matter what clowns are in charge
It's never affected your life?
So you don't use the NHS, or pay taxes, or drive, or breath air from around roads?
Astounding"
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"let go of your hate, it's made you very bitter indeed. That all you got, dont fancy debating the thread then?
Hey Costafun, I am genuinely interested in hearing from Brexit supporters such as yourself:
1) What aspects of your life are genuinely better as a result of the UK leaving the EU?
2) What are your hopes and dreams for the future (for your own life as you grow older and that if your family) that will only be enabled by the UK being out of the EU?
No rhetoric or soundbites. No propaganda. Genuine grassroots benefits that will directly positively impact you and yours?
This is not intended to be a beartrap. I am honestly interested to try and understand your thinking and support for Brexit."
To be honest my life has not changed one bit for better or worse.
For the future i can see it getting better we were stagnating in the eu with decade on decade of falling exports and we were the cash cow of the EU they didnt call the uk treasure island for nothing.
Unlike popular believe that all leavers hate Europe and want nothing to do with them we still need to trade with them and them with us and once everything settles which it will over time it can be a good relationship.
I genuinely believe that now we are out we can move forward much faster it takes the eu decades to agree a deal and theyare not tailor made to fit every country in it, now the uk can get bespoke deals that benefit us now i know the usual suspects will jump on that but you ask for my beliefs.
My main reason for wanting out as the regulars on here know was because of brussels and all that goes with it,i dont believe you need all that to trade with other countries the rest of the world manages perfectly well. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
So yet again "someone else to blame"your talking like i voted lol,just giving my take on why the torys got a massive majority,if jo swindle hadnt been so deluded thinking she could become p.m mabey she wouldnt of given boris a g.e. Talk about ideas above her station she couldnt even hold on to her own seat,just pointing out who the hell did they think anyone who voted to leave was gona vote for in that g.e, like i said perhaps those who wanted to remain should of voted for the party that was going to cancel it instead of spreading there votes over several different partys,i dont vote so dont care who gets in,its never affected my life no matter what clowns are in charge
It's never affected your life?
So you don't use the NHS, or pay taxes, or drive, or breath air from around roads?
Astounding"
i pay taxes no matter whos in charge,no i dont drive cant remember when i last used the nhs,and yea of course i breathe air near roads?? Wtf has that got to do with anything.if voting makes you feel like you have a stake in this country u carry on voting,myself i think there all full of shit so refuse to take part in the charade that are elections |
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"let go of your hate, it's made you very bitter indeed. That all you got, dont fancy debating the thread then?
Hey Costafun, I am genuinely interested in hearing from Brexit supporters such as yourself:
1) What aspects of your life are genuinely better as a result of the UK leaving the EU?
2) What are your hopes and dreams for the future (for your own life as you grow older and that if your family) that will only be enabled by the UK being out of the EU?
No rhetoric or soundbites. No propaganda. Genuine grassroots benefits that will directly positively impact you and yours?
This is not intended to be a beartrap. I am honestly interested to try and understand your thinking and support for Brexit.To be honest my life has not changed one bit for better or worse.
For the future i can see it getting better we were stagnating in the eu with decade on decade of falling exports and we were the cash cow of the EU they didnt call the uk treasure island for nothing.
Unlike popular believe that all leavers hate Europe and want nothing to do with them we still need to trade with them and them with us and once everything settles which it will over time it can be a good relationship.
I genuinely believe that now we are out we can move forward much faster it takes the eu decades to agree a deal and theyare not tailor made to fit every country in it, now the uk can get bespoke deals that benefit us now i know the usual suspects will jump on that but you ask for my beliefs.
My main reason for wanting out as the regulars on here know was because of brussels and all that goes with it,i dont believe you need all that to trade with other countries the rest of the world manages perfectly well. "
That was actually interesting.
Would be great if any of that happened. Not looking likely, and if any positive does come out of brexit. It's unlikely to off set the damage done.
Still it was interesting to read a coherent point of view. Although much less funny than blaming foreigners for low wage broccoli pickers. |
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"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
So yet again "someone else to blame"your talking like i voted lol,just giving my take on why the torys got a massive majority,if jo swindle hadnt been so deluded thinking she could become p.m mabey she wouldnt of given boris a g.e. Talk about ideas above her station she couldnt even hold on to her own seat,just pointing out who the hell did they think anyone who voted to leave was gona vote for in that g.e, like i said perhaps those who wanted to remain should of voted for the party that was going to cancel it instead of spreading there votes over several different partys,i dont vote so dont care who gets in,its never affected my life no matter what clowns are in charge
It's never affected your life?
So you don't use the NHS, or pay taxes, or drive, or breath air from around roads?
Astoundingi pay taxes no matter whos in charge,no i dont drive cant remember when i last used the nhs,and yea of course i breathe air near roads?? Wtf has that got to do with anything.if voting makes you feel like you have a stake in this country u carry on voting,myself i think there all full of shit so refuse to take part in the charade that are elections"
The government controls your taxes
It legislates on, amongst other things, air pollution
The government touches on your life every day in a myriad of ways
So it's affected your life |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
So yet again "someone else to blame"your talking like i voted lol,just giving my take on why the torys got a massive majority,if jo swindle hadnt been so deluded thinking she could become p.m mabey she wouldnt of given boris a g.e. Talk about ideas above her station she couldnt even hold on to her own seat,just pointing out who the hell did they think anyone who voted to leave was gona vote for in that g.e, like i said perhaps those who wanted to remain should of voted for the party that was going to cancel it instead of spreading there votes over several different partys,i dont vote so dont care who gets in,its never affected my life no matter what clowns are in charge
It's never affected your life?
So you don't use the NHS, or pay taxes, or drive, or breath air from around roads?
Astoundingi pay taxes no matter whos in charge,no i dont drive cant remember when i last used the nhs,and yea of course i breathe air near roads?? Wtf has that got to do with anything.if voting makes you feel like you have a stake in this country u carry on voting,myself i think there all full of shit so refuse to take part in the charade that are elections
The government controls your taxes
It legislates on, amongst other things, air pollution
The government touches on your life every day in a myriad of ways
So it's affected your life"
I see you dont want to debate the un elected not doing what the elected want and having to take them to court.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
So yet again "someone else to blame"your talking like i voted lol,just giving my take on why the torys got a massive majority,if jo swindle hadnt been so deluded thinking she could become p.m mabey she wouldnt of given boris a g.e. Talk about ideas above her station she couldnt even hold on to her own seat,just pointing out who the hell did they think anyone who voted to leave was gona vote for in that g.e, like i said perhaps those who wanted to remain should of voted for the party that was going to cancel it instead of spreading there votes over several different partys,i dont vote so dont care who gets in,its never affected my life no matter what clowns are in charge
It's never affected your life?
So you don't use the NHS, or pay taxes, or drive, or breath air from around roads?
Astoundingi pay taxes no matter whos in charge,no i dont drive cant remember when i last used the nhs,and yea of course i breathe air near roads?? Wtf has that got to do with anything.if voting makes you feel like you have a stake in this country u carry on voting,myself i think there all full of shit so refuse to take part in the charade that are elections
The government controls your taxes
It legislates on, amongst other things, air pollution
The government touches on your life every day in a myriad of ways
So it's affected your life"
No shit sherlock of course govs control your taxes every goverment controls taxes whats that got to do with anything,and as for air pollution pmsl you think thats only been around since bozo lol unlike you i dont let it rule my life,guess what i thought labour were shit aswell when they were last in power and like now i didnt moan about it,i dont vote personaly i blame those who do vote your all the ones who give these people thare jobs..... Bravo |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. "
I thought you didnt want soundbits. 
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m
So yet again "someone else to blame"your talking like i voted lol,just giving my take on why the torys got a massive majority,if jo swindle hadnt been so deluded thinking she could become p.m mabey she wouldnt of given boris a g.e. Talk about ideas above her station she couldnt even hold on to her own seat,just pointing out who the hell did they think anyone who voted to leave was gona vote for in that g.e, like i said perhaps those who wanted to remain should of voted for the party that was going to cancel it instead of spreading there votes over several different partys,i dont vote so dont care who gets in,its never affected my life no matter what clowns are in charge
It's never affected your life?
So you don't use the NHS, or pay taxes, or drive, or breath air from around roads?
Astoundingi pay taxes no matter whos in charge,no i dont drive cant remember when i last used the nhs,and yea of course i breathe air near roads?? Wtf has that got to do with anything.if voting makes you feel like you have a stake in this country u carry on voting,myself i think there all full of shit so refuse to take part in the charade that are elections
The government controls your taxes
It legislates on, amongst other things, air pollution
The government touches on your life every day in a myriad of ways
So it's affected your lifeI see you dont want to debate the un elected not doing what the elected want and having to take them to court.
Anyone want to defend their position?"
of course they dont in there eyes that didnt lead to the tories getting a fuck off big number of seats |
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"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. "
The cost of living has risen across the globe, this is primarily due to the Pandemic and global economies shutting down. Some of our price increases in the UK may be because of brexit but certainly not all. The evidence to support this is the fact that many EU countries and the USA to name a few have the same issue with rising prices, and there is no way the US or China price increases for instance is because of brexit. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Its a political forum or is it only for the UK politics? no need for you remainers to get so triggered because its about the EU.
What has brexit got to do with this thread. Just because there is a question about the EU, why is that a problem. Why turn it into a question about brexit you cant talk about the eu anymore mate as we have left according to some its a taboo subject and if you dare mention it you are an EU hater.
Very odd to me, I mean we are not with the U.S. but that was regular on here when trump was president.
Anyway was my thoughts correct. Is this to enable the EU to take action against Poland? I assume Hungary will also be in the same boat"
Yes, thats correct. There is already a court case going through against Poland and Hungry but this latest move is to force the Commission to take action against Poland.
There's another issue coming the EU's way from Poland in November, when Poland votes on anti LGBT legislation. |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it "
howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Its a political forum or is it only for the UK politics? no need for you remainers to get so triggered because its about the EU.
What has brexit got to do with this thread. Just because there is a question about the EU, why is that a problem. Why turn it into a question about brexit you cant talk about the eu anymore mate as we have left according to some its a taboo subject and if you dare mention it you are an EU hater.
Very odd to me, I mean we are not with the U.S. but that was regular on here when trump was president.
Anyway was my thoughts correct. Is this to enable the EU to take action against Poland? I assume Hungary will also be in the same boat
Yes, thats correct. There is already a court case going through against Poland and Hungry but this latest move is to force the Commission to take action against Poland.
There's another issue coming the EU's way from Poland in November, when Poland votes on anti LGBT legislation. "
Exactly my point now if this was in any other country where democratically elected people were stopped carrying out their wishes by un elected people it would be called a dictatorship. |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol"
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore |
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Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore "
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Its a political forum or is it only for the UK politics? no need for you remainers to get so triggered because its about the EU.
What has brexit got to do with this thread. Just because there is a question about the EU, why is that a problem. Why turn it into a question about brexit you cant talk about the eu anymore mate as we have left according to some its a taboo subject and if you dare mention it you are an EU hater.
Very odd to me, I mean we are not with the U.S. but that was regular on here when trump was president.
Anyway was my thoughts correct. Is this to enable the EU to take action against Poland? I assume Hungary will also be in the same boat
Yes, thats correct. There is already a court case going through against Poland and Hungry but this latest move is to force the Commission to take action against Poland.
There's another issue coming the EU's way from Poland in November, when Poland votes on anti LGBT legislation. "
I openly admit I keep getting the elected and non elected parts mixed up. What I read sounded like it was the elected part forcing the non elected part to start this process against Poland. Have i mixed them up? |
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over a year ago
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them."
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit, |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them."
This is true. Shame we walked away from the decision making table. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them."
Bit like America I guess. The old saying if America sneezes the world catches a cold. These days I suppose China are similar |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
Bit like America I guess. The old saying if America sneezes the world catches a cold. These days I suppose China are similar"
The media love reporting on the US. Especially with the previous president.
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit, "
Yes Polands issues at present are not really affecting us i will agree. Brexit has not affected me personally negatively either. I am not so sure that Brexit supporters want the EU to fail though, I always see it said on here but in all honesty I have never seen one of the brexit supporters say it, accused of it all the time though, and I cant say in life personally with people I know and the other business contacts in the UK and globally that I speak to on a daily basis that I get that impression at all. |
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Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore "
brexit asnt affected me and according to you it’s not affected you either |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit, "
No one wants the eu to fail thats all in your head mate i haven't seen anyone on here that has said that.Its your go to saying when anyone brings up the eu. yes we have left, no i dont want it to fail, yes im happy we are out.Why cant you just debate the topic ? my guess is that you cant so you deflect prove me wrong for once. |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit,
Yes Polands issues at present are not really affecting us i will agree. Brexit has not affected me personally negatively either. I am not so sure that Brexit supporters want the EU to fail though, I always see it said on here but in all honesty I have never seen one of the brexit supporters say it, accused of it all the time though, and I cant say in life personally with people I know and the other business contacts in the UK and globally that I speak to on a daily basis that I get that impression at all."
Iv never seen it on here either fantastic keeps accusing leavers of saying it but never seen it myself tho funny that lol |
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over a year ago
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit,
Yes Polands issues at present are not really affecting us i will agree. Brexit has not affected me personally negatively either. I am not so sure that Brexit supporters want the EU to fail though, I always see it said on here but in all honesty I have never seen one of the brexit supporters say it, accused of it all the time though, and I cant say in life personally with people I know and the other business contacts in the UK and globally that I speak to on a daily basis that I get that impression at all.Iv never seen it on here either fantastic keeps accusing leavers of saying it but never seen it myself tho funny that lol"
I stand corrected then, it’s good that everyone wants the EU to succeed workout us abs they definitely don’t want other nations to leave |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit,
Yes Polands issues at present are not really affecting us i will agree. Brexit has not affected me personally negatively either. I am not so sure that Brexit supporters want the EU to fail though, I always see it said on here but in all honesty I have never seen one of the brexit supporters say it, accused of it all the time though, and I cant say in life personally with people I know and the other business contacts in the UK and globally that I speak to on a daily basis that I get that impression at all.Iv never seen it on here either fantastic keeps accusing leavers of saying it but never seen it myself tho funny that lol
I stand corrected then, it’s good that everyone wants the EU to succeed workout us abs they definitely don’t want other nations to leave "
You know what mate if the EU had not morphed into something else and was still just a trading block like back in the day I dont believe brexit would of ever happened to be honest. Everyone wants to trade, its how the world works and always has. |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit,
Yes Polands issues at present are not really affecting us i will agree. Brexit has not affected me personally negatively either. I am not so sure that Brexit supporters want the EU to fail though, I always see it said on here but in all honesty I have never seen one of the brexit supporters say it, accused of it all the time though, and I cant say in life personally with people I know and the other business contacts in the UK and globally that I speak to on a daily basis that I get that impression at all.Iv never seen it on here either fantastic keeps accusing leavers of saying it but never seen it myself tho funny that lol
I stand corrected then, it’s good that everyone wants the EU to succeed workout us abs they definitely don’t want other nations to leave
You know what mate if the EU had not morphed into something else and was still just a trading block like back in the day I dont believe brexit would of ever happened to be honest. Everyone wants to trade, its how the world works and always has."
I tend to agree, but the positives outweigh the negatives, they definitely need to change and they will |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit,
Yes Polands issues at present are not really affecting us i will agree. Brexit has not affected me personally negatively either. I am not so sure that Brexit supporters want the EU to fail though, I always see it said on here but in all honesty I have never seen one of the brexit supporters say it, accused of it all the time though, and I cant say in life personally with people I know and the other business contacts in the UK and globally that I speak to on a daily basis that I get that impression at all.Iv never seen it on here either fantastic keeps accusing leavers of saying it but never seen it myself tho funny that lol
I stand corrected then, it’s good that everyone wants the EU to succeed workout us abs they definitely don’t want other nations to leave
You know what mate if the EU had not morphed into something else and was still just a trading block like back in the day I dont believe brexit would of ever happened to be honest. Everyone wants to trade, its how the world works and always has."
The EU is still a trading bloc and is the most successful trading bloc in the world because of its own Single Market. All countries in the bloc adopt the same regulations meaning the trade flows seamlessly across its internal border.
It didn’t morph into something bad, it evolved into something better - and guess what the Single Market was a British initiative.
It is quite sad that even after all of this time people still don’t know how the EU worked to our benefit. |
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Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit,
Yes Polands issues at present are not really affecting us i will agree. Brexit has not affected me personally negatively either. I am not so sure that Brexit supporters want the EU to fail though, I always see it said on here but in all honesty I have never seen one of the brexit supporters say it, accused of it all the time though, and I cant say in life personally with people I know and the other business contacts in the UK and globally that I speak to on a daily basis that I get that impression at all.Iv never seen it on here either fantastic keeps accusing leavers of saying it but never seen it myself tho funny that lol
I stand corrected then, it’s good that everyone wants the EU to succeed workout us abs they definitely don’t want other nations to leave
You know what mate if the EU had not morphed into something else and was still just a trading block like back in the day I dont believe brexit would of ever happened to be honest. Everyone wants to trade, its how the world works and always has.
I tend to agree, but the positives outweigh the negatives, they definitely need to change and they will "
Yes they do or the same could happen again, I also don't think they should try and expand any further either at this time, they need to give the smaller economic states a chance to catch up so that the overall burden of costs is spread more evenly across the union as this seems to be a big issue in the background of many things going on in the union at present. Although it is a declining market for my company I certainly would not want to lose even more sales through further disharmony. |
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"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys
Why are you still moaning about the EU, you won, get in with it howay you can’t ask that when you keep moaning about brexit mate lol
Brexit affects me and you, what happens in the EU doesn’t anymore
Considering we live in a global economy and that the EU is still a large trading partner then of course what happens there has the potential to effect us just as our decision to leave has had an effect on them.
It’s he your point, which makes it strange that so many Brexit supporters want the EU to now fail, however , what is happening in Poland has minimal effect on British people, the same can’t be said about Brexit,
Yes Polands issues at present are not really affecting us i will agree. Brexit has not affected me personally negatively either. I am not so sure that Brexit supporters want the EU to fail though, I always see it said on here but in all honesty I have never seen one of the brexit supporters say it, accused of it all the time though, and I cant say in life personally with people I know and the other business contacts in the UK and globally that I speak to on a daily basis that I get that impression at all.Iv never seen it on here either fantastic keeps accusing leavers of saying it but never seen it myself tho funny that lol
I stand corrected then, it’s good that everyone wants the EU to succeed workout us abs they definitely don’t want other nations to leave
You know what mate if the EU had not morphed into something else and was still just a trading block like back in the day I dont believe brexit would of ever happened to be honest. Everyone wants to trade, its how the world works and always has.
The EU is still a trading bloc and is the most successful trading bloc in the world because of its own Single Market. All countries in the bloc adopt the same regulations meaning the trade flows seamlessly across its internal border.
It didn’t morph into something bad, it evolved into something better - and guess what the Single Market was a British initiative.
It is quite sad that even after all of this time people still don’t know how the EU worked to our benefit."
I never said it did morph into something bad at all, i said in morphed into something different than what it originally was. There is a difference. I actually voted remain as I have stated before and I am very well aware of how the EU works and what it does too. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
Considering that the EUs own EOSS and IOSS systems are now in a right mess affecting not only the UK but other countries who sell into Europe, even inter state trading is affected, suggests they more than Poland to worry about.
The same EU who want car manufacturers to be responsible for the through life safety and end of life disposal of their cars, which practically undoes the regulations they implemented in the past about car parts and who can fit them and access the vehicles software codes.
The manufacturers came back with, sure but only if they are fitted with manufacturer approved parts. EU now chewing this one over.
Trade with Europe yes, but ruled by Europe no.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"This thread is a great example of someone who doesn't understand the nature of parliamentary procedure.
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This… this… this….
I wonder if some people just see a headline but don’t actually read the what’s and why’s…. |
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Trade with Europe yes, but ruled by Europe no.
This seems to be the cause of confusion for a lot of people who think brexit was a good idea.
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Exactly, ‘ruled by Europe’ |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
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Trade with Europe yes, but ruled by Europe no.
This seems to be the cause of confusion for a lot of people who think brexit was a good idea.
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It is staggering - and when you call it out, you get accused of “harassing and bullying.” |
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"Brexit supporters. The people who voted in the most right wing, corrupt, self serving bunch if charlatans into Government the UK has ever seen.
Because of their singular focus on “getting brexit done” they have put in place a Govt with an unassailable majority who are presiding over the biggest threat to democracy this country has ever encountered. The privatisation of the NHS is just one bill away. The right to protest is severely reduced and now open to interpretation by local policing. They are seeking to reduce the power of the Judiciary via reduction in Judicial Review process. They have overseen/orchestrated the greatest transfer of national assets (our tax money) into private hands ever in history under the cover of emergency Covid powers. Electoral reform (inc boundary changes and photo ID that will essentially very strongly favour the Tories). The list goes on and on!
All because people wanted Brexit. None of them stopped to think about future consequences or the fact that Brexit was a Trojan Horse to enable the future gradual erosion of human and employee rights.
They swallowed the economic fallacy that we can have higher wages without a concurrent increase in production costs meaning we cannot compete with cheaper foreign imports in NZ style trade deals.
The actions of this current Govt is on you.
Fools. The lot of them. Fools.looking at this as someone who voted for neither reamain or leave your right the tories do have a massive majority,they wouldnt have got that though if a,all the other partys hadnt of tried to stop it every step of the way and b,if theresa may hadnt of tried to water it down so much she wouldnt of been forced out to be replaced by boris,simple fact is the partys who tried to put a stop to it gambled that they could pull it off but they lost that gamble,if u wana lay the blame at anyones feet for boris you have the lib dems and jo swinson for that,the other partys were happy not to give boris a g.e but jo swindle honestly thought she could be the next p.m "
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. I thought you didnt want soundbits.
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it. "
Wasn’t having a dig. Genuinely interested (hard to get across on tribalist social media).
When I said cost of living I meant everything, especially food! Main driver for that (prior to Covid and going forward) was devaluation of the pound and the increasing complexity of importing.
Re elected vs unelected. The House of Lords is unelected and has final say on UK legislation. Our Head of State is unelected. The EU Commissioners are basically the Civil Service. The Council of Ministers (all PMs from each member state) is the Executive in same way as our Cabinet Minister. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. I thought you didnt want soundbits.
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it.
Wasn’t having a dig. Genuinely interested (hard to get across on tribalist social media).
When I said cost of living I meant everything, especially food! Main driver for that (prior to Covid and going forward) was devaluation of the pound and the increasing complexity of importing.
Re elected vs unelected. The House of Lords is unelected and has final say on UK legislation. Our Head of State is unelected. The EU Commissioners are basically the Civil Service. The Council of Ministers (all PMs from each member state) is the Executive in same way as our Cabinet Minister."
I'm not so sure about the house of lords having final say on uk legislation. Everything i have read says they only can scrutinise and offer suggestions in the form of amendments. At most they can delay but the house of commons (elected) retains ultimate control. |
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Trade with Europe yes, but ruled by Europe no.
This seems to be the cause of confusion for a lot of people who think brexit was a good idea.
It is staggering - and when you call it out, you get accused of “harassing and bullying.”"
I never accused you personally of "harassing and bullying" at all, I never PERSONALLY accused anyone of this on the other thread to which you are referring to, please feel free to show me where I did because I do take offence to people accusing me I things that I did not do or say and am morally against. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. I thought you didnt want soundbits.
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it.
Wasn’t having a dig. Genuinely interested (hard to get across on tribalist social media).
When I said cost of living I meant everything, especially food! Main driver for that (prior to Covid and going forward) was devaluation of the pound and the increasing complexity of importing.
Re elected vs unelected. The House of Lords is unelected and has final say on UK legislation. Our Head of State is unelected. The EU Commissioners are basically the Civil Service. The Council of Ministers (all PMs from each member state) is the Executive in same way as our Cabinet Minister."
The HOL does not have the final say parliament does so yes i agree that the commission is like them un elected and this is exactly my point.In the uk the HOL scrutinize but dont have the final say where as in the eu its parliament who does not seem to have the final say they cant if they have to take the commission to court.
The uk head of state is the queen but if you were actually talking about the PM when you vote you know who will be PM if that party wins in the eu you have no idea and no say who becomes any of the 5 presidents of the eu and it seems neither do the mep,s wasnt UVL their third choice as they couldnt agree between the 2 picked and so they agreed to go for one that no one wanted to keep every happy. |
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"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. I thought you didnt want soundbits.
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it.
Wasn’t having a dig. Genuinely interested (hard to get across on tribalist social media).
When I said cost of living I meant everything, especially food! Main driver for that (prior to Covid and going forward) was devaluation of the pound and the increasing complexity of importing.
Re elected vs unelected. The House of Lords is unelected and has final say on UK legislation. Our Head of State is unelected. The EU Commissioners are basically the Civil Service. The Council of Ministers (all PMs from each member state) is the Executive in same way as our Cabinet Minister.The HOL does not have the final say parliament does so yes i agree that the commission is like them un elected and this is exactly my point.In the uk the HOL scrutinize but dont have the final say where as in the eu its parliament who does not seem to have the final say they cant if they have to take the commission to court.
The uk head of state is the queen but if you were actually talking about the PM when you vote you know who will be PM if that party wins in the eu you have no idea and no say who becomes any of the 5 presidents of the eu and it seems neither do the mep,s wasnt UVL their third choice as they couldnt agree between the 2 picked and so they agreed to go for one that no one wanted to keep every happy. "
The EU parliament can stop legislation.
The EU process is designed to facilitate compromise, not adversarial. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. I thought you didnt want soundbits.
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it.
Wasn’t having a dig. Genuinely interested (hard to get across on tribalist social media).
When I said cost of living I meant everything, especially food! Main driver for that (prior to Covid and going forward) was devaluation of the pound and the increasing complexity of importing.
Re elected vs unelected. The House of Lords is unelected and has final say on UK legislation. Our Head of State is unelected. The EU Commissioners are basically the Civil Service. The Council of Ministers (all PMs from each member state) is the Executive in same way as our Cabinet Minister.The HOL does not have the final say parliament does so yes i agree that the commission is like them un elected and this is exactly my point.In the uk the HOL scrutinize but dont have the final say where as in the eu its parliament who does not seem to have the final say they cant if they have to take the commission to court.
The uk head of state is the queen but if you were actually talking about the PM when you vote you know who will be PM if that party wins in the eu you have no idea and no say who becomes any of the 5 presidents of the eu and it seems neither do the mep,s wasnt UVL their third choice as they couldnt agree between the 2 picked and so they agreed to go for one that no one wanted to keep every happy.
The EU parliament can stop legislation.
The EU process is designed to facilitate compromise, not adversarial."
It should be there to instigate legislation for the people who elected them not to stop stuff un elected people come up with.Its like the emperors new cloths they dont oppose much that their masters dictate its all smoke and mirrors and seems to have fooled a lot of people.
What i really find incredulous is that working class people agree with all these people getting rich off their backs,how much did the kinnocks make out of it? about £1.5 million and a bloody great pension thats just one example times that by who knows how many.
Why do you think the likes of corbyn etc were so opposed to it? i never liked the man but he had that one right just like frank fields. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. I thought you didnt want soundbits.
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it.
Wasn’t having a dig. Genuinely interested (hard to get across on tribalist social media).
When I said cost of living I meant everything, especially food! Main driver for that (prior to Covid and going forward) was devaluation of the pound and the increasing complexity of importing.
Re elected vs unelected. The House of Lords is unelected and has final say on UK legislation. Our Head of State is unelected. The EU Commissioners are basically the Civil Service. The Council of Ministers (all PMs from each member state) is the Executive in same way as our Cabinet Minister.The HOL does not have the final say parliament does so yes i agree that the commission is like them un elected and this is exactly my point.In the uk the HOL scrutinize but dont have the final say where as in the eu its parliament who does not seem to have the final say they cant if they have to take the commission to court.
The uk head of state is the queen but if you were actually talking about the PM when you vote you know who will be PM if that party wins in the eu you have no idea and no say who becomes any of the 5 presidents of the eu and it seems neither do the mep,s wasnt UVL their third choice as they couldnt agree between the 2 picked and so they agreed to go for one that no one wanted to keep every happy.
The EU parliament can stop legislation.
The EU process is designed to facilitate compromise, not adversarial.It should be there to instigate legislation for the people who elected them not to stop stuff un elected people come up with.Its like the emperors new cloths they dont oppose much that their masters dictate its all smoke and mirrors and seems to have fooled a lot of people.
What i really find incredulous is that working class people agree with all these people getting rich off their backs,how much did the kinnocks make out of it? about £1.5 million and a bloody great pension thats just one example times that by who knows how many.
Why do you think the likes of corbyn etc were so opposed to it? i never liked the man but he had that one right just like frank fields."
Have you been reading about the plans and policies that Cummings concocted and Johnson put in place?
That’s how this country works. Politicians don’t dream up their policies - Advisors do, and Civil Servants implement those policies once the Politicians have sold them to the public. |
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I suspect that, on both sides of the fence, many couldnt explain how laws are created in both the EU and UK and how those who are involved are put in those positions.
In not 100pc sure I could explain and I've looked at this in the past. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments) |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)"
Thank you for clarifying that. I was thinking for a minute I was going mad. Looks like the can amend,frustrate and delay things but cannot ultimately have the final say as the parliament act can be used to override them. Often described as a chamber to scrutinise things and offer alternative opinions. Her majesty signature is largely symbolic I think and you have to go back hundreds of years to find last time it was an issue. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
As of Aug 21 there are 20 unelected but appointed by Boris members of the government. Top of the list lord Frost. Advisors are one thing but positions of power are another.
Not democracy .
Also how can we have a deputy prime minister also be the head of judiciary? One is supposed to keep a check on the other to protect democratic legal system from undue political influence .
Banana republic behaviour |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)"
Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do? |
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"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do? "
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At whose instructions do they craft the legislation? |
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"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)"
I thought Bills can start in HoL. And both houses need to pass the laws before they can get royal assent
But typically, yeah, start in HoC. And, I suspect, the bulk of the detail is written by civil servants etc. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)
I thought Bills can start in HoL. And both houses need to pass the laws before they can get royal assent
But typically, yeah, start in HoC. And, I suspect, the bulk of the detail is written by civil servants etc. "
Yes apparently the HOL can also introduce Bill's in the same way and go through the same process. Ideally both houses will agree (possibly after amendments) but should they not and the HOC want to press ahead they can push it through without HOL agreement. Hence the ultimate power is with the elected house |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)
I thought Bills can start in HoL. And both houses need to pass the laws before they can get royal assent
But typically, yeah, start in HoC. And, I suspect, the bulk of the detail is written by civil servants etc. "
ALL legislation is written by Civil Servants (who are apolitical and serve the Govt of the day - providing continuity that would be lost with political appointees). It is literally what policy officials do all day. They do that at the behest of Ministers and there will be (increasing dramatically under this Govt) significant input/review by Special Advisors (SpAds) who are unelected and very much political. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)
I thought Bills can start in HoL. And both houses need to pass the laws before they can get royal assent
But typically, yeah, start in HoC. And, I suspect, the bulk of the detail is written by civil servants etc.
Yes apparently the HOL can also introduce Bill's in the same way and go through the same process. Ideally both houses will agree (possibly after amendments) but should they not and the HOC want to press ahead they can push it through without HOL agreement. Hence the ultimate power is with the elected house"
The problem is that if the elected Govt has an overall majority (as the Tories do currently) then due to the power of the whips, it means that parliamentary scrutiny and the ability to block legislation being pushed through by the Executive is non-existant!
The UK has the veneer of democracy and the current Govt are chipping that away by maximising their huge majority to drive through legislation removing our employee and human rights (small steps at a time) including electoral reform that will ONLY favour the Tories.
While this is arguably not the direct fault of Brexit, it is in fact the (intended) by-product that used Brexit as a Trojan Horse. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)
I thought Bills can start in HoL. And both houses need to pass the laws before they can get royal assent
But typically, yeah, start in HoC. And, I suspect, the bulk of the detail is written by civil servants etc.
Yes apparently the HOL can also introduce Bill's in the same way and go through the same process. Ideally both houses will agree (possibly after amendments) but should they not and the HOC want to press ahead they can push it through without HOL agreement. Hence the ultimate power is with the elected house
The problem is that if the elected Govt has an overall majority (as the Tories do currently) then due to the power of the whips, it means that parliamentary scrutiny and the ability to block legislation being pushed through by the Executive is non-existant!
The UK has the veneer of democracy and the current Govt are chipping that away by maximising their huge majority to drive through legislation removing our employee and human rights (small steps at a time) including electoral reform that will ONLY favour the Tories.
While this is arguably not the direct fault of Brexit, it is in fact the (intended) by-product that used Brexit as a Trojan Horse."
Elected governments having a majority is quite normal in this country. The size of the majority does make it easier for governments though if a party wins lots more seats then guess that's their reward. Thatcher and Blair both enjoyed large majorities to and had the same reward. Unfortunately if the opposition are not doing well it makes things even easier for the government. Bill's can be pushed through without HOL consent if the HOC votes for it meaning decent opposition is very important |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do? "
Sorry Costa I seem to gave strayed from the subject. Is this action actually going ahead or just a warning |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
Sorry Costa I seem to gave strayed from the subject. Is this action actually going ahead or just a warning"
The lawsuit was submitted on friday. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)
I thought Bills can start in HoL. And both houses need to pass the laws before they can get royal assent
But typically, yeah, start in HoC. And, I suspect, the bulk of the detail is written by civil servants etc.
Yes apparently the HOL can also introduce Bill's in the same way and go through the same process. Ideally both houses will agree (possibly after amendments) but should they not and the HOC want to press ahead they can push it through without HOL agreement. Hence the ultimate power is with the elected house
The problem is that if the elected Govt has an overall majority (as the Tories do currently) then due to the power of the whips, it means that parliamentary scrutiny and the ability to block legislation being pushed through by the Executive is non-existant!
The UK has the veneer of democracy and the current Govt are chipping that away by maximising their huge majority to drive through legislation removing our employee and human rights (small steps at a time) including electoral reform that will ONLY favour the Tories.
While this is arguably not the direct fault of Brexit, it is in fact the (intended) by-product that used Brexit as a Trojan Horse.
Elected governments having a majority is quite normal in this country. The size of the majority does make it easier for governments though if a party wins lots more seats then guess that's their reward. Thatcher and Blair both enjoyed large majorities to and had the same reward. Unfortunately if the opposition are not doing well it makes things even easier for the government. Bill's can be pushed through without HOL consent if the HOC votes for it meaning decent opposition is very important"
Of course majorities are possible. My point is that I seriously doubt that a Boris Johnson led Conservative party would have secures an 80 seat majority without Brexit. This has enabled and emboldened the most right wing Govt we have ever seen. Even Thatcher would have baulked at some of their policies and actions.
I find it hard to fathom why anyone could support BJ and pals (and clearly according to polls many still do) when they have effectively stolen our money and given it to their friends & family. It’s as if the lies allowed by the Brexit campaigning (on both sides) has normalised ever more corruption and deceit - and people don’t seem to care or even acknowledge it!
If someone truly agrees with and supports the policies of the current Govt then, while I do not, I have to at least respect their opinion. But how can ANYONE support out and out corruption and theft on such an unprecedented scale? |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)
I thought Bills can start in HoL. And both houses need to pass the laws before they can get royal assent
But typically, yeah, start in HoC. And, I suspect, the bulk of the detail is written by civil servants etc.
Yes apparently the HOL can also introduce Bill's in the same way and go through the same process. Ideally both houses will agree (possibly after amendments) but should they not and the HOC want to press ahead they can push it through without HOL agreement. Hence the ultimate power is with the elected house
The problem is that if the elected Govt has an overall majority (as the Tories do currently) then due to the power of the whips, it means that parliamentary scrutiny and the ability to block legislation being pushed through by the Executive is non-existant!
The UK has the veneer of democracy and the current Govt are chipping that away by maximising their huge majority to drive through legislation removing our employee and human rights (small steps at a time) including electoral reform that will ONLY favour the Tories.
While this is arguably not the direct fault of Brexit, it is in fact the (intended) by-product that used Brexit as a Trojan Horse.
Elected governments having a majority is quite normal in this country. The size of the majority does make it easier for governments though if a party wins lots more seats then guess that's their reward. Thatcher and Blair both enjoyed large majorities to and had the same reward. Unfortunately if the opposition are not doing well it makes things even easier for the government. Bill's can be pushed through without HOL consent if the HOC votes for it meaning decent opposition is very important
Of course majorities are possible. My point is that I seriously doubt that a Boris Johnson led Conservative party would have secures an 80 seat majority without Brexit. This has enabled and emboldened the most right wing Govt we have ever seen. Even Thatcher would have baulked at some of their policies and actions.
I find it hard to fathom why anyone could support BJ and pals (and clearly according to polls many still do) when they have effectively stolen our money and given it to their friends & family. It’s as if the lies allowed by the Brexit campaigning (on both sides) has normalised ever more corruption and deceit - and people don’t seem to care or even acknowledge it!
If someone truly agrees with and supports the policies of the current Govt then, while I do not, I have to at least respect their opinion. But how can ANYONE support out and out corruption and theft on such an unprecedented scale?"
I understand your point about brexit affecting the GE. I am hoping Labour provide an effective opponent next time around as like you not keen on large majorities. Only one poll counts in the end and thats the peoples verdict as it should be |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
Sorry Costa I seem to gave strayed from the subject. Is this action actually going ahead or just a warningThe lawsuit was submitted on friday."
Ok so more than a threat then. Wonder if they will proceed at the normal speed or push this one through quickly |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
Ooops sorry,my mistake ,I appear to have entered the wrong thread , when I read the headline " you couldn't make it up " I assumed it would be about Johnson planning to fly home from Glasgow.  |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
northeast |
"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. I thought you didnt want soundbits.
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it. "
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Costa, thanks for answering. That still felt very “macro” and full of rhetoric. Everything you said has a counterpoint and economists (which neither of us are) disagree on that.
What I am really interested is how it benefits YOU and yours?
Also, saying it has not effected you so far cannot be strictly true? Your cost of living has increased. I thought you didnt want soundbits.
Fuel prices have risen which has absolutely nothing to do with brexit which in turn puts prices up, they are higher in all over europe too.
I cant help if it felt "macro" to you they were my reasons.
Can you defend the un elected not doing what they elected want? as thats what the thread is about.It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it just slag someone off as a eu hater, why do you want to talk about the eu, etc etc for even mentioning it. "
Even Morrison's got in trouble for mentioning the EU on their chickens. Or more accurate non EU. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The eu is now at war with itself the European parliament is suing the European commission over payments to Poland. More jobs for the boys "
Why is this a problem?
The Parliament has got impatient. They want to push the Commission to move faster on sanctioning Poland for breaching judicial and journalistic independence.
The mechanism that allows this is via the ECJ. Ironically the Commission is waiting for a separate ECJ judgement before acting. The Commission is probably looking playing for time whilst trying to find a less confrontational route than withholding funding.
All this means is that one branch of the administration wants the other to move faster. There is no disagreement on what the aim is.
Would you characterise that as "at war"?
Is it alright that Poland and Hungary reduce judicial and journalistic independence?
I guess, if they take our lead if they sign a treaty they should be able to ignore it as a show of "independence" and "freedom" so it's probably fine eh? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do? "
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think. "
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?"
No and neither did yours to me. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me. "
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but "
no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand."
I don't need to. There is a string of people who explained your misunderstanding of the EU and UK legislative systems and I posted about your basic misunderstanding of the legal position between the European Parliament and the Comission.
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
Spain, Lancs |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand.
I don't need to. There is a string of people who explained your misunderstanding of the EU and UK legislative systems and I posted about your basic misunderstanding of the legal position between the European Parliament and the Comission.
You're welcome "
You do understand what Monnet said about the EU having been deliberately designed to insulate the ruling elite from the public? |
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"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand.
I don't need to. There is a string of people who explained your misunderstanding of the EU and UK legislative systems and I posted about your basic misunderstanding of the legal position between the European Parliament and the Comission.
You're welcome
You do understand what Monnet said about the EU having been deliberately designed to insulate the ruling elite from the public?"
When did he say that? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand.
I don't need to. There is a string of people who explained your misunderstanding of the EU and UK legislative systems and I posted about your basic misunderstanding of the legal position between the European Parliament and the Comission.
You're welcome "
What misunderstanding here is a clip from the euronews i wont post the link as not sur its allowed.
The European Parliament has decided to sue the European Commission after the executive's repeated refusal to activate a new conditionality mechanism that can freeze EU funds for member states suspected of breaching EU law.
The lawsuit was submitted on Friday by the Parliament's legal service before the European Court of Justice (ECJ), based in Luxembourg.
"We expect the European Commission to act in a consistent manner and live up to what President von der Leyen stated during our last plenary discussion on this subject. Words have to be turned into deeds," said the EU Parliament's president David Sassoli in a statement. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand.
I don't need to. There is a string of people who explained your misunderstanding of the EU and UK legislative systems and I posted about your basic misunderstanding of the legal position between the European Parliament and the Comission.
You're welcome
You do understand what Monnet said about the EU having been deliberately designed to insulate the ruling elite from the public?"
Not at all. Do you have a reference for this? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand.
I don't need to. There is a string of people who explained your misunderstanding of the EU and UK legislative systems and I posted about your basic misunderstanding of the legal position between the European Parliament and the Comission.
You're welcome What misunderstanding here is a clip from the euronews i wont post the link as not sur its allowed.
The European Parliament has decided to sue the European Commission after the executive's repeated refusal to activate a new conditionality mechanism that can freeze EU funds for member states suspected of breaching EU law.
The lawsuit was submitted on Friday by the Parliament's legal service before the European Court of Justice (ECJ), based in Luxembourg.
"We expect the European Commission to act in a consistent manner and live up to what President von der Leyen stated during our last plenary discussion on this subject. Words have to be turned into deeds," said the EU Parliament's president David Sassoli in a statement. "
Rather than the laughing emojis, why not scroll up to where I explained this, very politely, to you and addressed some pertinent questions? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand.
I don't need to. There is a string of people who explained your misunderstanding of the EU and UK legislative systems and I posted about your basic misunderstanding of the legal position between the European Parliament and the Comission.
You're welcome What misunderstanding here is a clip from the euronews i wont post the link as not sur its allowed.
The European Parliament has decided to sue the European Commission after the executive's repeated refusal to activate a new conditionality mechanism that can freeze EU funds for member states suspected of breaching EU law.
The lawsuit was submitted on Friday by the Parliament's legal service before the European Court of Justice (ECJ), based in Luxembourg.
"We expect the European Commission to act in a consistent manner and live up to what President von der Leyen stated during our last plenary discussion on this subject. Words have to be turned into deeds," said the EU Parliament's president David Sassoli in a statement.
Rather than the laughing emojis, why not scroll up to where I explained this, very politely, to you and addressed some pertinent questions?"
so where is my basic misunderstanding between the parliment and commission please explain. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"When I said Head of State (for UK) I did indeed mean the Queen, ie unelected.
House of Lords (also unelected) do indeed scrutinise and challenge but as others pointed out they do not ultimately pass legislation (but can attempt to block it or force amendments)Glad we cleared that up so you would agree then that the HOL is just like the eu parliament they dont make the rules and just scrutinise and challenge.Dont you think that the eu has it round the wrong way the people elected by the people cant make the rules but the un elected do?
I don't think that you understand how either the UK or EU systems work Well take a look at how you think.
That comment did not actually mean anything, did it?No and neither did yours to me.
You wrote a post explaining how little you knew about both systems.
You literally wrote it down.
You also posted an OP which did the same.
I realise that you tend to try to go after me personally most of the time, but no i dont i would have to care about what you say to do that. tell me where im wrong about what i wrote instead of just saying i dont think you understand.
I don't need to. There is a string of people who explained your misunderstanding of the EU and UK legislative systems and I posted about your basic misunderstanding of the legal position between the European Parliament and the Comission.
You're welcome What misunderstanding here is a clip from the euronews i wont post the link as not sur its allowed.
The European Parliament has decided to sue the European Commission after the executive's repeated refusal to activate a new conditionality mechanism that can freeze EU funds for member states suspected of breaching EU law.
The lawsuit was submitted on Friday by the Parliament's legal service before the European Court of Justice (ECJ), based in Luxembourg.
"We expect the European Commission to act in a consistent manner and live up to what President von der Leyen stated during our last plenary discussion on this subject. Words have to be turned into deeds," said the EU Parliament's president David Sassoli in a statement.
Rather than the laughing emojis, why not scroll up to where I explained this, very politely, to you and addressed some pertinent questions?so where is my basic misunderstanding between the parliment and commission please explain."
The fact that you have always struggled with is that the EU is not a government.
I will write that again with emphasis, for clarity.
The EU is NOT a government.
Consequently they are not comparable.
However, regardless I will continue.
The Commission proposes and drafts legislation. Commissioners are proposed by the Council of Ministers (representatives of elected governments) and confirmed by the directly elected European Parliament.
The majority of UK legislation is now proposed by Special advisors and the Prime Minister and his wife. It is then drafted by the civil service.
Some is proposed by the Lords and some by MPs, but very little of this is ever passed as government controls Parliamentary time.
EU legislation is then amended or thrown out by the Council of Ministers and the Parliament. The concensus required to achieve this leads to relatively little controversy.
In the UK legislation should be debated in both Parliament and the House of Lords and amendments made. However, voting is often whipped by government and amendments can be ignored. Debate is also frequently avoided or shortened if the guillotine process is used. Secondary legislation can also be initiated by government without debate.
A number of basic misunderstandings.
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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Monnet, 1952: 'Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening.
' This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation'.
I'm astounded at how anyone can support the EU when dishonesty is it's foundation stone. |
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"Monnet, 1952: 'Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening.
' This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation'.
I'm astounded at how anyone can support the EU when dishonesty is it's foundation stone."
1952? 69 years ago? Your still living in the past |
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"Monnet, 1952: 'Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening.
' This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation'.
I'm astounded at how anyone can support the EU when dishonesty is it's foundation stone."
Except he didn’t say it. |
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"Monnet, 1952: 'Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening.
' This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation'.
I'm astounded at how anyone can support the EU when dishonesty is it's foundation stone.
Except he didn’t say it. "
True, it wasn’t him
https://fullfact.org/europe/jean-monnet-quote/ |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Monnet, 1952: 'Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening.
' This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation'.
I'm astounded at how anyone can support the EU when dishonesty is it's foundation stone."
The reported "quote" which cannot be verified?
https://fullfact.org/europe/jean-monnet-quote/
I'm astounded how anyone can believe things that they read without thought. |
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"Monnet, 1952: 'Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening.
' This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation'.
I'm astounded at how anyone can support the EU when dishonesty is it's foundation stone.
The reported "quote" which cannot be verified?
https://fullfact.org/europe/jean-monnet-quote/
I'm astounded how anyone can believe things that they read without thought."
Welcome to fab |
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"Monnet, 1952: 'Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening.
' This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation'.
I'm astounded at how anyone can support the EU when dishonesty is it's foundation stone.
The reported "quote" which cannot be verified?
https://fullfact.org/europe/jean-monnet-quote/
I'm astounded how anyone can believe things that they read without thought."
Many times the usual suspects have been slowly and carefully walked through the various points you raised.
They either pretend they have not seen them, and ask you to explain again.
Object to the language used, the "harsh words" defence
Introduce a random question completely at odds with the subject "the corn laws diversion"
The process can be compared to trying to teach plumbing to a bowl of frosties.
Just sit back and be amazed at the mental gymnastics required to display a Donald trump level of bonkers. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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The Commission proposes and drafts legislation. Commissioners are proposed by the Council of Ministers (representatives of elected governments) and confirmed by the directly elected European Parliament.
Yes and usually end up with someone like UVL who nobody wanted because they cant agree on who they do want. The parliament have a vote on it thats true but its on party lines her centre right party the epp were the largest and supported her.
The majority of UK legislation is now proposed by Special advisors and the Prime Minister and his wife. It is then drafted by the civil service.
Some is proposed by the Lords and some by MPs, but very little of this is ever passed as government controls Parliamentary time.
Wrong there is time set aside for bringing in new bills and cross party groups play a big part of this, the majority of legislation andis decided on at cabinet meetings and of course drafted by the civil service thats what they are there for.
In the UK legislation should be debated in both Parliament and the House of Lords and amendments made. However, voting is often whipped by government and amendments can be ignored. Debate is also frequently avoided or shortened if the guillotine process is used. Secondary legislation can also be initiated by government without debate.
It is debated in the hoc and hol and yes they can ignore the hol as they are advisory and not elected exactly what i am saying just like the eu commission is not elected by the people.
Are you really happy with a council of ministers electing the most powerful people in the eu who are making decisions effecting the citizens of Europe? personally when i vote i want to know who im voting for.Did you have a say who your minister voted for did you even know who he was?
If you cant see you have been taken for a ride i cant help you.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Hold on Costa...
So you are happy that we elect a UK Govt that the Executive then appoints MPs (elected) as well as plenty of non-MPs (unelected) to Ministerial positions and that these people will represent us Citizens on domestic legislative issues BUT you are not happy these same Ministers (representing us) then agree on EU Commissioners (on our behalf)? |
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"The Commission proposes and drafts legislation. Commissioners are proposed by the Council of Ministers (representatives of elected governments) and confirmed by the directly elected European Parliament.
Yes and usually end up with someone like UVL who nobody wanted because they cant agree on who they do want. The parliament have a vote on it thats true but its on party lines her centre right party the epp were the largest and supported her.
The majority of UK legislation is now proposed by Special advisors and the Prime Minister and his wife. It is then drafted by the civil service.
Some is proposed by the Lords and some by MPs, but very little of this is ever passed as government controls Parliamentary time.
Wrong there is time set aside for bringing in new bills and cross party groups play a big part of this, the majority of legislation andis decided on at cabinet meetings and of course drafted by the civil service thats what they are there for.
In the UK legislation should be debated in both Parliament and the House of Lords and amendments made. However, voting is often whipped by government and amendments can be ignored. Debate is also frequently avoided or shortened if the guillotine process is used. Secondary legislation can also be initiated by government without debate.
It is debated in the hoc and hol and yes they can ignore the hol as they are advisory and not elected exactly what i am saying just like the eu commission is not elected by the people.
Are you really happy with a council of ministers electing the most powerful people in the eu who are making decisions effecting the citizens of Europe? personally when i vote i want to know who im voting for.Did you have a say who your minister voted for did you even know who he was?
If you cant see you have been taken for a ride i cant help you.
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Stunning lack of credibility |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The Commission proposes and drafts legislation. Commissioners are proposed by the Council of Ministers (representatives of elected governments) and confirmed by the directly elected European Parliament.
Yes and usually end up with someone like UVL who nobody wanted because they cant agree on who they do want. The parliament have a vote on it thats true but its on party lines her centre right party the epp were the largest and supported her.
The majority of UK legislation is now proposed by Special advisors and the Prime Minister and his wife. It is then drafted by the civil service.
Some is proposed by the Lords and some by MPs, but very little of this is ever passed as government controls Parliamentary time.
Wrong there is time set aside for bringing in new bills and cross party groups play a big part of this, the majority of legislation andis decided on at cabinet meetings and of course drafted by the civil service thats what they are there for.
In the UK legislation should be debated in both Parliament and the House of Lords and amendments made. However, voting is often whipped by government and amendments can be ignored. Debate is also frequently avoided or shortened if the guillotine process is used. Secondary legislation can also be initiated by government without debate.
It is debated in the hoc and hol and yes they can ignore the hol as they are advisory and not elected exactly what i am saying just like the eu commission is not elected by the people.
Are you really happy with a council of ministers electing the most powerful people in the eu who are making decisions effecting the citizens of Europe? personally when i vote i want to know who im voting for.Did you have a say who your minister voted for did you even know who he was?
If you cant see you have been taken for a ride i cant help you.
"
So, you have confirmed that the systems are not much different.
I did not say there was not time set aside for Parliamentary debate, but controversial legislation is frequently rushed through to minimise or avoid this. Look it up.
"Cross party groups", by which I assume you mean "All Party Parliamentary Groups" have no official function. Look it up.
Parliamentary Committees interrogate a range of matters in more detail than possible in the Chamber with the ability to call witnesses. Look it up.
The Council of Ministers selected our elected governments. I am as comfortable with that as Ministers being selected by the Prime Minister. The clue is in the name.
Do you know who Ministers in the Cabinet will be when you vote? Do you know who the UK government special advisors are? Is there an open process for their selection and confirmation?
You really do not understand how either the EU and UK legislative processes work. You continue to prove this in writing. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The Commission proposes and drafts legislation. Commissioners are proposed by the Council of Ministers (representatives of elected governments) and confirmed by the directly elected European Parliament.
Yes and usually end up with someone like UVL who nobody wanted because they cant agree on who they do want. The parliament have a vote on it thats true but its on party lines her centre right party the epp were the largest and supported her.
The majority of UK legislation is now proposed by Special advisors and the Prime Minister and his wife. It is then drafted by the civil service.
Some is proposed by the Lords and some by MPs, but very little of this is ever passed as government controls Parliamentary time.
Wrong there is time set aside for bringing in new bills and cross party groups play a big part of this, the majority of legislation andis decided on at cabinet meetings and of course drafted by the civil service thats what they are there for.
In the UK legislation should be debated in both Parliament and the House of Lords and amendments made. However, voting is often whipped by government and amendments can be ignored. Debate is also frequently avoided or shortened if the guillotine process is used. Secondary legislation can also be initiated by government without debate.
It is debated in the hoc and hol and yes they can ignore the hol as they are advisory and not elected exactly what i am saying just like the eu commission is not elected by the people.
Are you really happy with a council of ministers electing the most powerful people in the eu who are making decisions effecting the citizens of Europe? personally when i vote i want to know who im voting for.Did you have a say who your minister voted for did you even know who he was?
If you cant see you have been taken for a ride i cant help you.
So, you have confirmed that the systems are not much different.
I did not say there was not time set aside for Parliamentary debate, but controversial legislation is frequently rushed through to minimise or avoid this. Look it up.
"Cross party groups", by which I assume you mean "All Party Parliamentary Groups" have no official function. Look it up.
Parliamentary Committees interrogate a range of matters in more detail than possible in the Chamber with the ability to call witnesses. Look it up.
The Council of Ministers selected our elected governments. I am as comfortable with that as Ministers being selected by the Prime Minister. The clue is in the name.
Do you know who Ministers in the Cabinet will be when you vote? Do you know who the UK government special advisors are? Is there an open process for their selection and confirmation?
You really do not understand how either the EU and UK legislative processes work. You continue to prove this in writing."
why would i need to know who the government special advisors are the name is in the title advisors.
I know what they stand for as it would have been in their manifesto before an election.
I dont know why you vote but myself i look at all the partys main manifesto proposals and vote for the one that best suits me and my family.
Well im glad you were happy with a council of ministers voting for you i was not, a person who i have no idea what he or she stands for voting for another person who i have no idea who he or she is or what they stand for.
so dont go telling me i dont understand i understand perfectly and i want to know who im voting for and what they stand for thank you. |
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"The Commission proposes and drafts legislation. Commissioners are proposed by the Council of Ministers (representatives of elected governments) and confirmed by the directly elected European Parliament.
Yes and usually end up with someone like UVL who nobody wanted because they cant agree on who they do want. The parliament have a vote on it thats true but its on party lines her centre right party the epp were the largest and supported her.
The majority of UK legislation is now proposed by Special advisors and the Prime Minister and his wife. It is then drafted by the civil service.
Some is proposed by the Lords and some by MPs, but very little of this is ever passed as government controls Parliamentary time.
Wrong there is time set aside for bringing in new bills and cross party groups play a big part of this, the majority of legislation andis decided on at cabinet meetings and of course drafted by the civil service thats what they are there for.
In the UK legislation should be debated in both Parliament and the House of Lords and amendments made. However, voting is often whipped by government and amendments can be ignored. Debate is also frequently avoided or shortened if the guillotine process is used. Secondary legislation can also be initiated by government without debate.
It is debated in the hoc and hol and yes they can ignore the hol as they are advisory and not elected exactly what i am saying just like the eu commission is not elected by the people.
Are you really happy with a council of ministers electing the most powerful people in the eu who are making decisions effecting the citizens of Europe? personally when i vote i want to know who im voting for.Did you have a say who your minister voted for did you even know who he was?
If you cant see you have been taken for a ride i cant help you.
So, you have confirmed that the systems are not much different.
I did not say there was not time set aside for Parliamentary debate, but controversial legislation is frequently rushed through to minimise or avoid this. Look it up.
"Cross party groups", by which I assume you mean "All Party Parliamentary Groups" have no official function. Look it up.
Parliamentary Committees interrogate a range of matters in more detail than possible in the Chamber with the ability to call witnesses. Look it up.
The Council of Ministers selected our elected governments. I am as comfortable with that as Ministers being selected by the Prime Minister. The clue is in the name.
Do you know who Ministers in the Cabinet will be when you vote? Do you know who the UK government special advisors are? Is there an open process for their selection and confirmation?
You really do not understand how either the EU and UK legislative processes work. You continue to prove this in writing.why would i need to know who the government special advisors are the name is in the title advisors.
I know what they stand for as it would have been in their manifesto before an election.
I dont know why you vote but myself i look at all the partys main manifesto proposals and vote for the one that best suits me and my family.
Well im glad you were happy with a council of ministers voting for you i was not, a person who i have no idea what he or she stands for voting for another person who i have no idea who he or she is or what they stand for.
so dont go telling me i dont understand i understand perfectly and i want to know who im voting for and what they stand for thank you."
You do realise that the PM you put in place decides who is our rep on the council of ministers for any given topic.
So to say you have no idea who they are or what they represent is saying you don't understand who your government is or what they represent.
You just don't understand do you. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"The Commission proposes and drafts legislation. Commissioners are proposed by the Council of Ministers (representatives of elected governments) and confirmed by the directly elected European Parliament.
Yes and usually end up with someone like UVL who nobody wanted because they cant agree on who they do want. The parliament have a vote on it thats true but its on party lines her centre right party the epp were the largest and supported her.
The majority of UK legislation is now proposed by Special advisors and the Prime Minister and his wife. It is then drafted by the civil service.
Some is proposed by the Lords and some by MPs, but very little of this is ever passed as government controls Parliamentary time.
Wrong there is time set aside for bringing in new bills and cross party groups play a big part of this, the majority of legislation andis decided on at cabinet meetings and of course drafted by the civil service thats what they are there for.
In the UK legislation should be debated in both Parliament and the House of Lords and amendments made. However, voting is often whipped by government and amendments can be ignored. Debate is also frequently avoided or shortened if the guillotine process is used. Secondary legislation can also be initiated by government without debate.
It is debated in the hoc and hol and yes they can ignore the hol as they are advisory and not elected exactly what i am saying just like the eu commission is not elected by the people.
Are you really happy with a council of ministers electing the most powerful people in the eu who are making decisions effecting the citizens of Europe? personally when i vote i want to know who im voting for.Did you have a say who your minister voted for did you even know who he was?
If you cant see you have been taken for a ride i cant help you.
So, you have confirmed that the systems are not much different.
I did not say there was not time set aside for Parliamentary debate, but controversial legislation is frequently rushed through to minimise or avoid this. Look it up.
"Cross party groups", by which I assume you mean "All Party Parliamentary Groups" have no official function. Look it up.
Parliamentary Committees interrogate a range of matters in more detail than possible in the Chamber with the ability to call witnesses. Look it up.
The Council of Ministers selected our elected governments. I am as comfortable with that as Ministers being selected by the Prime Minister. The clue is in the name.
Do you know who Ministers in the Cabinet will be when you vote? Do you know who the UK government special advisors are? Is there an open process for their selection and confirmation?
You really do not understand how either the EU and UK legislative processes work. You continue to prove this in writing.why would i need to know who the government special advisors are the name is in the title advisors.
I know what they stand for as it would have been in their manifesto before an election.
I dont know why you vote but myself i look at all the partys main manifesto proposals and vote for the one that best suits me and my family.
Well im glad you were happy with a council of ministers voting for you i was not, a person who i have no idea what he or she stands for voting for another person who i have no idea who he or she is or what they stand for.
so dont go telling me i dont understand i understand perfectly and i want to know who im voting for and what they stand for thank you."
You have now completely lost yourself in your own confusion, although you have left a written account.
You should stop now, but you won't.
Best of luck |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"Ooops sorry,my mistake ,I appear to have entered the wrong thread , when I read the headline " you couldn't make it up " I assumed it would be about Johnson planning to fly home from Glasgow. "
. Number 10 say Johnson flew home from COP because he was busy , on arrival back in London Johnson visited a gentlemans club , like the headline of the thread says " you couldn't make it up " |
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