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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good " I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?" you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too.  | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?" read up on it mate your good at telling others to read up it’s all there buy a gazette it’s going to be the biggest green zone in the U.K. offshore wind farm carbon capture the council bought the land down there it’s half the size of Gibraltar pop down take a look you said you would believe it when you see it | |||
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"glad to here it mate i hope it improves the standard of living up there. "it will do high paid jobs aswell it’s the biggest thing since iron was found in Eaton hills lol you will have to pop back up mate it’s all change up here | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too. "oh I'm more than familiar with the concept of free ports. I an familiar with the fact that they haven't really worked in the uk, that they don't create many "new" jobs, just syphon off existing jobs into a changed location, that they are associated with crime, and that we could of had them whilst in the EU. Research, it's the way forward. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too.
oh I'm more than familiar with the concept of free ports.
I an familiar with the fact that they haven't really worked in the uk, that they don't create many "new" jobs, just syphon off existing jobs into a changed location, that they are associated with crime, and that we could of had them whilst in the EU.
Research, it's the way forward." oh the negativity of it all. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too.
oh I'm more than familiar with the concept of free ports.
I an familiar with the fact that they haven't really worked in the uk, that they don't create many "new" jobs, just syphon off existing jobs into a changed location, that they are associated with crime, and that we could of had them whilst in the EU.
Research, it's the way forward."pmsl that post is exactly what I expected from you are you unaware of high paid jobs coming to Teesside the low tax zone at Teesside airport tees port port of Hartlepool the biggest green energy area in the U.K. for a boro lad you would think you’d be happy with that | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too.
oh I'm more than familiar with the concept of free ports.
I an familiar with the fact that they haven't really worked in the uk, that they don't create many "new" jobs, just syphon off existing jobs into a changed location, that they are associated with crime, and that we could of had them whilst in the EU.
Research, it's the way forward.pmsl that post is exactly what I expected from you are you unaware of high paid jobs coming to Teesside the low tax zone at Teesside airport tees port port of Hartlepool the biggest green energy area in the U.K. for a boro lad you would think you’d be happy with that "if/when it happens great
however we've been here before with promises of development
The carbon capture is a research project
Teesside airport is still struggling
Are you trying to say that you are putting a wedge on a Unicorn in the 2-45 at Redcar? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too.
oh I'm more than familiar with the concept of free ports.
I an familiar with the fact that they haven't really worked in the uk, that they don't create many "new" jobs, just syphon off existing jobs into a changed location, that they are associated with crime, and that we could of had them whilst in the EU.
Research, it's the way forward.pmsl that post is exactly what I expected from you are you unaware of high paid jobs coming to Teesside the low tax zone at Teesside airport tees port port of Hartlepool the biggest green energy area in the U.K. for a boro lad you would think you’d be happy with that
if/when it happens great
however we've been here before with promises of development
The carbon capture is a research project
Teesside airport is still struggling
Are you trying to say that you are putting a wedge on a Unicorn in the 2-45 at Redcar?"it opens November you don’t have long to wait Teesside airport is council owned now flights to lots of countries now freight flights on there way soon aswell and now it’s going to be a low tax zone how the hell can you moan at that ffs | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too.
oh I'm more than familiar with the concept of free ports.
I an familiar with the fact that they haven't really worked in the uk, that they don't create many "new" jobs, just syphon off existing jobs into a changed location, that they are associated with crime, and that we could of had them whilst in the EU.
Research, it's the way forward.pmsl that post is exactly what I expected from you are you unaware of high paid jobs coming to Teesside the low tax zone at Teesside airport tees port port of Hartlepool the biggest green energy area in the U.K. for a boro lad you would think you’d be happy with that
if/when it happens great
however we've been here before with promises of development
The carbon capture is a research project
Teesside airport is still struggling
Are you trying to say that you are putting a wedge on a Unicorn in the 2-45 at Redcar?it opens November you don’t have long to wait Teesside airport is council owned now flights to lots of countries now freight flights on there way soon aswell and now it’s going to be a low tax zone how the hell can you moan at that ffs"it's not council owned it's owned by Tees Valley Combined Authority It was council owned, then it was sold to the Peel group on the back of development promises, that didn't happen. Houchen then used his money to force Peel to sell it. The primary use is for providing facilities for RAF intruder training, those are blue biz jets on the apron. The business plan as presented by Houchen was one side of a sheet of A4 | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too.
oh I'm more than familiar with the concept of free ports.
I an familiar with the fact that they haven't really worked in the uk, that they don't create many "new" jobs, just syphon off existing jobs into a changed location, that they are associated with crime, and that we could of had them whilst in the EU.
Research, it's the way forward.pmsl that post is exactly what I expected from you are you unaware of high paid jobs coming to Teesside the low tax zone at Teesside airport tees port port of Hartlepool the biggest green energy area in the U.K. for a boro lad you would think you’d be happy with that
if/when it happens great
however we've been here before with promises of development
The carbon capture is a research project
Teesside airport is still struggling
Are you trying to say that you are putting a wedge on a Unicorn in the 2-45 at Redcar?it opens November you don’t have long to wait Teesside airport is council owned now flights to lots of countries now freight flights on there way soon aswell and now it’s going to be a low tax zone how the hell can you moan at that ffs
it's not council owned
it's owned by Tees Valley Combined Authority
It was council owned, then it was sold to the Peel group on the back of development promises, that didn't happen.
Houchen then used his money to force Peel to sell it.
The primary use is for providing facilities for RAF intruder training, those are blue biz jets on the apron.
The business plan as presented by Houchen was one side of a sheet of A4"aw sorry teesvally combined there ya go maybe that will make you happy because nothing on this thread as lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?you dont seem to understand the concept of a free port its not just the port but the surrounding area too.
oh I'm more than familiar with the concept of free ports.
I an familiar with the fact that they haven't really worked in the uk, that they don't create many "new" jobs, just syphon off existing jobs into a changed location, that they are associated with crime, and that we could of had them whilst in the EU.
Research, it's the way forward.pmsl that post is exactly what I expected from you are you unaware of high paid jobs coming to Teesside the low tax zone at Teesside airport tees port port of Hartlepool the biggest green energy area in the U.K. for a boro lad you would think you’d be happy with that
if/when it happens great
however we've been here before with promises of development
The carbon capture is a research project
Teesside airport is still struggling
Are you trying to say that you are putting a wedge on a Unicorn in the 2-45 at Redcar?it opens November you don’t have long to wait Teesside airport is council owned now flights to lots of countries now freight flights on there way soon aswell and now it’s going to be a low tax zone how the hell can you moan at that ffs
it's not council owned
it's owned by Tees Valley Combined Authority
It was council owned, then it was sold to the Peel group on the back of development promises, that didn't happen.
Houchen then used his money to force Peel to sell it.
The primary use is for providing facilities for RAF intruder training, those are blue biz jets on the apron.
The business plan as presented by Houchen was one side of a sheet of A4aw sorry teesvally combined there ya go maybe that will make you happy because nothing on this thread as lol"it's important to be accurate, this isn't a vote leave communication | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS" If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news. | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news." . ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? | |||
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"Free ports are in effect a low tax area designed at moving investment into run down areas . ( Think enterprise zones in the thatcher era ) They will attract jobs but not the 18000 claimed that’s just fantasy. Unfortunately most of the jobs will be relocations from other areas that we’re getting the original investment. So yes good news for the north east but bad for other areas in the U.K. . It’s fuck all to do with Brexit as they were allowed before Brexit. " whee diid I say it had anything to do with brexit bud ?it’s just great news or are we only allowed to talk about bad news ? do you know anything about what is happening on the land near the Freeport about the green energy company’s down there that’s where a lot of the jobs will be you seen very sure these jobs won’t happen wonder why | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ???" they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it" your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down " And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. " wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t " You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good " Great news and far quicker than I expected. I see in todays news some in Wales are complaining that the Welsh government has not joined in this free port scheme and concerned about being left behind | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. " I left school in the 80s and didn’t have one mare who had a job now I don’t know anyone unemployed but you don’t need to go to Holland to travel the world £60to fly to Heathrow then connect can all be booked onto one ticket never been so easy and there you go again listing the negatives what about the train to London don’t have to swap train the upgrade at darlo and boro train stations the government treasury jobs at darlo Amazon at darlo port of Hartlepool port of tees Teesside airport all been low tax zones it’s just as easy to see the positives rather than the negatives Teesside has never seen investment like it and if it’s a government bribe for votes great labour will have to offer more | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. I left school in the 80s and didn’t have one mare who had a job now I don’t know anyone unemployed but you don’t need to go to Holland to travel the world £60to fly to Heathrow then connect can all be booked onto one ticket never been so easy and there you go again listing the negatives what about the train to London don’t have to swap train the upgrade at darlo and boro train stations the government treasury jobs at darlo Amazon at darlo port of Hartlepool port of tees Teesside airport all been low tax zones it’s just as easy to see the positives rather than the negatives Teesside has never seen investment like it and if it’s a government bribe for votes great labour will have to offer more " I recall the 80's. It was bloody awful. I struggled to get work so got an education, last of the free university courses. The trains - we had the service to London before, it was scrapped. I want to actually see the jobs, not clap when I get told "up to X jobs" I work round the corner from Amazon at darlo, so far I've yet to see large numbers of people going in or out. Teesside to Heathrow, again we had that before. Freeport - as stated above, by others they don't create new jobs, they suck jobs in from elsewhere The carbon capture is a project, there's no guarantee I gave you a list above of schemes that could be done now, immediate return. It's not difficult is it? | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. I left school in the 80s and didn’t have one mare who had a job now I don’t know anyone unemployed but you don’t need to go to Holland to travel the world £60to fly to Heathrow then connect can all be booked onto one ticket never been so easy and there you go again listing the negatives what about the train to London don’t have to swap train the upgrade at darlo and boro train stations the government treasury jobs at darlo Amazon at darlo port of Hartlepool port of tees Teesside airport all been low tax zones it’s just as easy to see the positives rather than the negatives Teesside has never seen investment like it and if it’s a government bribe for votes great labour will have to offer more I recall the 80's. It was bloody awful. I struggled to get work so got an education, last of the free university courses. The trains - we had the service to London before, it was scrapped. I want to actually see the jobs, not clap when I get told "up to X jobs" I work round the corner from Amazon at darlo, so far I've yet to see large numbers of people going in or out. Teesside to Heathrow, again we had that before. Freeport - as stated above, by others they don't create new jobs, they suck jobs in from elsewhere The carbon capture is a project, there's no guarantee I gave you a list above of schemes that could be done now, immediate return. It's not difficult is it?" when did we have Teesside to Heathrow and direct trains to London how long ago is it ?been a remainder I’d of thought you where all for people coming from elsewhere lol everything new starts as a project mate lol get out and clap now we have the largest offshore wind farm in the world largest Freeport in U.K. largest green energy project in the U.K. the only other time we have topped the list was most cancer in U.K. due to ici and steelworks highest suicides for men highest unemploment in England cheapest houses in England I know which list I prefer | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good Great news and far quicker than I expected. I see in todays news some in Wales are complaining that the Welsh government has not joined in this free port scheme and concerned about being left behind" . ,,, ,, if freeports are good for an area,shouldn't every area which isn't being awarded freeport status complain , , , how long before we need to level up the non Freeport areas , , ????? | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. I left school in the 80s and didn’t have one mare who had a job now I don’t know anyone unemployed but you don’t need to go to Holland to travel the world £60to fly to Heathrow then connect can all be booked onto one ticket never been so easy and there you go again listing the negatives what about the train to London don’t have to swap train the upgrade at darlo and boro train stations the government treasury jobs at darlo Amazon at darlo port of Hartlepool port of tees Teesside airport all been low tax zones it’s just as easy to see the positives rather than the negatives Teesside has never seen investment like it and if it’s a government bribe for votes great labour will have to offer more I recall the 80's. It was bloody awful. I struggled to get work so got an education, last of the free university courses. The trains - we had the service to London before, it was scrapped. I want to actually see the jobs, not clap when I get told "up to X jobs" I work round the corner from Amazon at darlo, so far I've yet to see large numbers of people going in or out. Teesside to Heathrow, again we had that before. Freeport - as stated above, by others they don't create new jobs, they suck jobs in from elsewhere The carbon capture is a project, there's no guarantee I gave you a list above of schemes that could be done now, immediate return. It's not difficult is it?when did we have Teesside to Heathrow and direct trains to London how long ago is it ?been a remainder I’d of thought you where all for people coming from elsewhere lol everything new starts as a project mate lol get out and clap now we have the largest offshore wind farm in the world largest Freeport in U.K. largest green energy project in the U.K. the only other time we have topped the list was most cancer in U.K. due to ici and steelworks highest suicides for men highest unemploment in England cheapest houses in England I know which list I prefer " Trains and direct flights ten years ago. The ill health issues were addressed through legislation, but by that time we'd lost the steel and shipping, And I know about the cancer issues, my father was Life long ICI, he died of cancer. We have cheap housing because the demand is low and the pay equally low. The suicide rate was very high, it coincides with the loss of jobs and the cut back in support services. We have a huge wind farm, great, not many people work on wind farms, they don't have their own bloke on top steering them. As a quick one for you, the treasury has stated their are no economic benefits from free ports. That's the government telling you that their flagship policy is worth jack shit. | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. I left school in the 80s and didn’t have one mare who had a job now I don’t know anyone unemployed but you don’t need to go to Holland to travel the world £60to fly to Heathrow then connect can all be booked onto one ticket never been so easy and there you go again listing the negatives what about the train to London don’t have to swap train the upgrade at darlo and boro train stations the government treasury jobs at darlo Amazon at darlo port of Hartlepool port of tees Teesside airport all been low tax zones it’s just as easy to see the positives rather than the negatives Teesside has never seen investment like it and if it’s a government bribe for votes great labour will have to offer more I recall the 80's. It was bloody awful. I struggled to get work so got an education, last of the free university courses. The trains - we had the service to London before, it was scrapped. I want to actually see the jobs, not clap when I get told "up to X jobs" I work round the corner from Amazon at darlo, so far I've yet to see large numbers of people going in or out. Teesside to Heathrow, again we had that before. Freeport - as stated above, by others they don't create new jobs, they suck jobs in from elsewhere The carbon capture is a project, there's no guarantee I gave you a list above of schemes that could be done now, immediate return. It's not difficult is it?when did we have Teesside to Heathrow and direct trains to London how long ago is it ?been a remainder I’d of thought you where all for people coming from elsewhere lol everything new starts as a project mate lol get out and clap now we have the largest offshore wind farm in the world largest Freeport in U.K. largest green energy project in the U.K. the only other time we have topped the list was most cancer in U.K. due to ici and steelworks highest suicides for men highest unemploment in England cheapest houses in England I know which list I prefer Trains and direct flights ten years ago. The ill health issues were addressed through legislation, but by that time we'd lost the steel and shipping, And I know about the cancer issues, my father was Life long ICI, he died of cancer. We have cheap housing because the demand is low and the pay equally low. The suicide rate was very high, it coincides with the loss of jobs and the cut back in support services. We have a huge wind farm, great, not many people work on wind farms, they don't have their own bloke on top steering them. As a quick one for you, the treasury has stated their are no economic benefits from free ports. That's the government telling you that their flagship policy is worth jack shit." aw thanx for for informing me mate I love been spoken down to of a remainer lol the turbines don’t make themselves ya know there’s a huge factory been built down they for such things I’m sure I read about that and the.benefits that come with the Freeport is the othe industry’s that are attracted by them to the area please read the gazette and listen to bbctees maye saves slot of explaining these things to you | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ???" And you believe them?? Cameron stopped the last free port licences in 2012 not the EU as they had not been a a big a success as promised . They were just a tax fiddle . Imagine that Boris and co supporting a tax fiddle ! 
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? And you believe them?? Cameron stopped the last free port licences in 2012 not the EU as they had not been a a big a success as promised . They were just a tax fiddle . Imagine that Boris and co supporting a tax fiddle !
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. I left school in the 80s and didn’t have one mare who had a job now I don’t know anyone unemployed but you don’t need to go to Holland to travel the world £60to fly to Heathrow then connect can all be booked onto one ticket never been so easy and there you go again listing the negatives what about the train to London don’t have to swap train the upgrade at darlo and boro train stations the government treasury jobs at darlo Amazon at darlo port of Hartlepool port of tees Teesside airport all been low tax zones it’s just as easy to see the positives rather than the negatives Teesside has never seen investment like it and if it’s a government bribe for votes great labour will have to offer more I recall the 80's. It was bloody awful. I struggled to get work so got an education, last of the free university courses. The trains - we had the service to London before, it was scrapped. I want to actually see the jobs, not clap when I get told "up to X jobs" I work round the corner from Amazon at darlo, so far I've yet to see large numbers of people going in or out. Teesside to Heathrow, again we had that before. Freeport - as stated above, by others they don't create new jobs, they suck jobs in from elsewhere The carbon capture is a project, there's no guarantee I gave you a list above of schemes that could be done now, immediate return. It's not difficult is it?when did we have Teesside to Heathrow and direct trains to London how long ago is it ?been a remainder I’d of thought you where all for people coming from elsewhere lol everything new starts as a project mate lol get out and clap now we have the largest offshore wind farm in the world largest Freeport in U.K. largest green energy project in the U.K. the only other time we have topped the list was most cancer in U.K. due to ici and steelworks highest suicides for men highest unemploment in England cheapest houses in England I know which list I prefer Trains and direct flights ten years ago. The ill health issues were addressed through legislation, but by that time we'd lost the steel and shipping, And I know about the cancer issues, my father was Life long ICI, he died of cancer. We have cheap housing because the demand is low and the pay equally low. The suicide rate was very high, it coincides with the loss of jobs and the cut back in support services. We have a huge wind farm, great, not many people work on wind farms, they don't have their own bloke on top steering them. As a quick one for you, the treasury has stated their are no economic benefits from free ports. That's the government telling you that their flagship policy is worth jack shit.aw thanx for for informing me mate I love been spoken down to of a remainer lol the turbines don’t make themselves ya know there’s a huge factory been built down they for such things I’m sure I read about that and the.benefits that come with the Freeport is the othe industry’s that are attracted by them to the area please read the gazette and listen to bbctees maye saves slot of explaining these things to you " Yes because if you really want to keep up with economics then BBC Tees and the evening gazette really are the first places to go to 
The factory is not producing turbines, it's production is of blades.
Freeport do not create new jobs, they take jobs from location A to location B
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. I left school in the 80s and didn’t have one mare who had a job now I don’t know anyone unemployed but you don’t need to go to Holland to travel the world £60to fly to Heathrow then connect can all be booked onto one ticket never been so easy and there you go again listing the negatives what about the train to London don’t have to swap train the upgrade at darlo and boro train stations the government treasury jobs at darlo Amazon at darlo port of Hartlepool port of tees Teesside airport all been low tax zones it’s just as easy to see the positives rather than the negatives Teesside has never seen investment like it and if it’s a government bribe for votes great labour will have to offer more I recall the 80's. It was bloody awful. I struggled to get work so got an education, last of the free university courses. The trains - we had the service to London before, it was scrapped. I want to actually see the jobs, not clap when I get told "up to X jobs" I work round the corner from Amazon at darlo, so far I've yet to see large numbers of people going in or out. Teesside to Heathrow, again we had that before. Freeport - as stated above, by others they don't create new jobs, they suck jobs in from elsewhere The carbon capture is a project, there's no guarantee I gave you a list above of schemes that could be done now, immediate return. It's not difficult is it?when did we have Teesside to Heathrow and direct trains to London how long ago is it ?been a remainder I’d of thought you where all for people coming from elsewhere lol everything new starts as a project mate lol get out and clap now we have the largest offshore wind farm in the world largest Freeport in U.K. largest green energy project in the U.K. the only other time we have topped the list was most cancer in U.K. due to ici and steelworks highest suicides for men highest unemploment in England cheapest houses in England I know which list I prefer Trains and direct flights ten years ago. The ill health issues were addressed through legislation, but by that time we'd lost the steel and shipping, And I know about the cancer issues, my father was Life long ICI, he died of cancer. We have cheap housing because the demand is low and the pay equally low. The suicide rate was very high, it coincides with the loss of jobs and the cut back in support services. We have a huge wind farm, great, not many people work on wind farms, they don't have their own bloke on top steering them. As a quick one for you, the treasury has stated their are no economic benefits from free ports. That's the government telling you that their flagship policy is worth jack shit.aw thanx for for informing me mate I love been spoken down to of a remainer lol the turbines don’t make themselves ya know there’s a huge factory been built down they for such things I’m sure I read about that and the.benefits that come with the Freeport is the othe industry’s that are attracted by them to the area please read the gazette and listen to bbctees maye saves slot of explaining these things to you Yes because if you really want to keep up with economics then BBC Tees and the evening gazette really are the first places to go to
The factory is not producing turbines, it's production is of blades.
Freeport do not create new jobs, they take jobs from location A to location B
"it’s for local news mate I don’t think Fox News report much about Teesside so blades then more great news if they take jobs from location Ato B then jobs will be created at B to fill the gap then or will the other ports just close the face it they will create jobs earlier you said you will clap when you see jobs now your posting about a factory making blades for turbines are you now clapping ? | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? And you believe them?? Cameron stopped the last free port licences in 2012 not the EU as they had not been a a big a success as promised . They were just a tax fiddle . Imagine that Boris and co supporting a tax fiddle !
FOXYCHICK. I was referring to others claims of it being down to Brexit not you . Sorry for not making that clear. accepted bud do you accept that some big businesses have chose tee sport to start up as the Freeport was a major attraction to them ?"Foxy the carbon project is just that at the project stage so let’s park that as industry has a lot of other possibilities on the table. . Free ports will attract trade through and extra storage etc avoid vat so yes jobs will be created . They will suck in jobs from elsewhere so good for the Tees as I said but not for other areas . So even Newcastle could lose out . Not really helping in that case . The number of jobs is fantasy land . Immingham docks is far bigger than Tees and when you add all the Humber ports ops it’s twice the size. Even ABP only claim 10,000 related jobs. To get an extra 18000 is just off the scale. If we were part of the EU I could see it attracting a major manufacturer such as a car company . As it would have a big local market in the EU and free trade for supply chain globally. But for now it will be down to subsidies being offered to attract such giants who would need to use the port. I hope it does bring more jobs I really do as I have a lot of friends up there but don’t be sucked in by the headlines . Most government backed projects are very creative on the job numbers to increase the funding and support. | |||
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"AT LAST !!!!!! A PROPPER BENEFIT OF BREXIT ,,,, note to all you remainers out there ,,,I don't want you pointing out that there are Freeports in the EU ( about 80 I think I'm over 20 EU countries) although the EU is a little worried about them because of fears of money laundering , , I also don't want you to point out that the UK had freeports while a member of the EU until 2012 when the Conservative government abolished them ,,,,I want everyone leave,remain,undecided to join together as you and celebrate this BREXIT BONUS If it brings employment and growth to the area and the UK then fantastic. It cannot however be a Brexit bonus (as nothing to do with Brexit) but simply excellent news.. ,,, ,,,, ,,, Boris Johnson in Parliament said Freeporrs were a benefit for the UK leaving the EU , , Michael Gove said the same thing last week in Parliament , , if having freeports in the UK has nothing to do with brexit why did Johnson and Gove say that it did ??? they said it as a) they are cynical liars and b) because they know some are daft enough to believe it your also very cynical you’ve not had one good word to say about the area you live in all you do is talk it down And you can't come up with a single benefit from brexit. I love my home town, that's why I don't want to see it ruined by a brexit designed to make money for chancers. wtf as my post got to do with brexit I don’t even mention it iv talked about all the jobs that will be created how good Teesside is doing the airport the one I used last month forst time in more than twenty years you can fly anywhere in the world now all you have done is moan can you name a time in your life when Teesside had this much going for it I can’t You can't be very old The 90's the area was doing ok, it's never been doing really well since the 70's. Even at the lowest point of teesside airport, the flights to Schiphol meant there was a connection to the world. In this area we had a political monoculture, they'd vote for a pig if you stuck a red rosette on it. That's changing. If the conservatives want to keep their seats they are going to have to deliver, not just make promises. At the moment we are getting a lot of good words and precious little else Just as an example or two electrification of trans pennine route, decent train service to Newcastle, upgrade of the A19 south bound New reactor at Hartlepool All can be done with existing technology and could start now. I left school in the 80s and didn’t have one mare who had a job now I don’t know anyone unemployed but you don’t need to go to Holland to travel the world £60to fly to Heathrow then connect can all be booked onto one ticket never been so easy and there you go again listing the negatives what about the train to London don’t have to swap train the upgrade at darlo and boro train stations the government treasury jobs at darlo Amazon at darlo port of Hartlepool port of tees Teesside airport all been low tax zones it’s just as easy to see the positives rather than the negatives Teesside has never seen investment like it and if it’s a government bribe for votes great labour will have to offer more I recall the 80's. It was bloody awful. I struggled to get work so got an education, last of the free university courses. The trains - we had the service to London before, it was scrapped. I want to actually see the jobs, not clap when I get told "up to X jobs" I work round the corner from Amazon at darlo, so far I've yet to see large numbers of people going in or out. Teesside to Heathrow, again we had that before. Freeport - as stated above, by others they don't create new jobs, they suck jobs in from elsewhere The carbon capture is a project, there's no guarantee I gave you a list above of schemes that could be done now, immediate return. It's not difficult is it?when did we have Teesside to Heathrow and direct trains to London how long ago is it ?been a remainder I’d of thought you where all for people coming from elsewhere lol everything new starts as a project mate lol get out and clap now we have the largest offshore wind farm in the world largest Freeport in U.K. largest green energy project in the U.K. the only other time we have topped the list was most cancer in U.K. due to ici and steelworks highest suicides for men highest unemploment in England cheapest houses in England I know which list I prefer Trains and direct flights ten years ago. The ill health issues were addressed through legislation, but by that time we'd lost the steel and shipping, And I know about the cancer issues, my father was Life long ICI, he died of cancer. We have cheap housing because the demand is low and the pay equally low. The suicide rate was very high, it coincides with the loss of jobs and the cut back in support services. We have a huge wind farm, great, not many people work on wind farms, they don't have their own bloke on top steering them. As a quick one for you, the treasury has stated their are no economic benefits from free ports. That's the government telling you that their flagship policy is worth jack shit.aw thanx for for informing me mate I love been spoken down to of a remainer lol the turbines don’t make themselves ya know there’s a huge factory been built down they for such things I’m sure I read about that and the.benefits that come with the Freeport is the othe industry’s that are attracted by them to the area please read the gazette and listen to bbctees maye saves slot of explaining these things to you Yes because if you really want to keep up with economics then BBC Tees and the evening gazette really are the first places to go to
The factory is not producing turbines, it's production is of blades.
Freeport do not create new jobs, they take jobs from location A to location B
it’s for local news mate I don’t think Fox News report much about Teesside so blades then more great news if they take jobs from location Ato B then jobs will be created at B to fill the gap then or will the other ports just close the face it they will create jobs earlier you said you will clap when you see jobs now your posting about a factory making blades for turbines are you now clapping ?"Number of blades produced to date Zero No replacement jobs will not be created, trade jobs don't work like that. Only more trade will produce more jobs. | |||
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FOXYCHICK. I was referring to others claims of it being down to Brexit not you . Sorry for not making that clear. accepted bud do you accept that some big businesses have chose tee sport to start up as the Freeport was a major attraction to them ?
Foxy the carbon project is just that at the project stage so let’s park that as industry has a lot of other possibilities on the table. .
Free ports will attract trade through and extra storage etc avoid vat so yes jobs will be created . They will suck in jobs from elsewhere so good for the Tees as I said but not for other areas . So even Newcastle could lose out . Not really helping in that case .
The number of jobs is fantasy land . Immingham docks is far bigger than Tees and when you add all the Humber ports ops it’s twice the size. Even ABP only claim 10,000 related jobs. To get an extra 18000 is just off the scale.
If we were part of the EU I could see it attracting a major manufacturer such as a car company . As it would have a big local market in the EU and free trade for supply chain globally.
But for now it will be down to subsidies being offered to attract such giants who would need to use the port.
I hope it does bring more jobs I really do as I have a lot of friends up there but don’t be sucked in by the headlines . Most government backed projects are very creative on the job numbers to increase the funding and support.
"you don’t know if Newcastle will loose jobs you don’t know any thing for a fact now your saying jobs will be created the land at teesport is huge yes there will be plenty of storage but the jobs will be across a lot of different industries mainly green the works already underway grounds been prepared now it’s a 5year project so to say 18000 jobs over that period isn’t doable is a tad negative | |||
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"I found this on freeports. The freeport tax reliefs announced in the Budget are largely expected to last for a period of five years. They include: An enhanced 10% rate of structures and buildings allowance for constructing or renovating non-residential structures and buildings within freeport tax sites in Great Britain. This means investments will be fully relieved after 10 years compared with 33 years for properties in other locations which only achieve a 3% rate. An enhanced capital allowance of 100% for company investment in plant and machinery for use in freeport tax sites in Great Britain. Full relief from stamp duty land tax (SDLT) on the purchase of land or property within freeport tax sites in England where it is purchased and used for a qualifying commercial purpose. Full business rates relief available to all new business and certain existing businesses that have expanded." This shows that property developers are at the top of the food chain yet again. Lots of speculative warehouse space will be built on the cheap. It also clearly shows if you’re even just 1 mile outside the zone and want to expand or build a new factory or warehouse you move it down the road. It sucks in projects and jobs at the expense of other areas. It all very good for tees. Just don’t fancy being on the development committee in council for a neighbouring borough. If the major green related projects get the go ahead then great. That would be new business on the table. | |||
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"I found this on freeports. The freeport tax reliefs announced in the Budget are largely expected to last for a period of five years. They include: An enhanced 10% rate of structures and buildings allowance for constructing or renovating non-residential structures and buildings within freeport tax sites in Great Britain. This means investments will be fully relieved after 10 years compared with 33 years for properties in other locations which only achieve a 3% rate. An enhanced capital allowance of 100% for company investment in plant and machinery for use in freeport tax sites in Great Britain. Full relief from stamp duty land tax (SDLT) on the purchase of land or property within freeport tax sites in England where it is purchased and used for a qualifying commercial purpose. Full business rates relief available to all new business and certain existing businesses that have expanded. This shows that property developers are at the top of the food chain yet again. Lots of speculative warehouse space will be built on the cheap. It also clearly shows if you’re even just 1 mile outside the zone and want to expand or build a new factory or warehouse you move it down the road. It sucks in projects and jobs at the expense of other areas. It all very good for tees. Just don’t fancy being on the development committee in council for a neighbouring borough. If the major green related projects get the go ahead then great. That would be new business on the table. " That will only be in place for 3 to 5 years, then the businesses will go to the next low tax area. | |||
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"I found this on freeports. The freeport tax reliefs announced in the Budget are largely expected to last for a period of five years. They include: An enhanced 10% rate of structures and buildings allowance for constructing or renovating non-residential structures and buildings within freeport tax sites in Great Britain. This means investments will be fully relieved after 10 years compared with 33 years for properties in other locations which only achieve a 3% rate. An enhanced capital allowance of 100% for company investment in plant and machinery for use in freeport tax sites in Great Britain. Full relief from stamp duty land tax (SDLT) on the purchase of land or property within freeport tax sites in England where it is purchased and used for a qualifying commercial purpose. Full business rates relief available to all new business and certain existing businesses that have expanded. This shows that property developers are at the top of the food chain yet again. Lots of speculative warehouse space will be built on the cheap. It also clearly shows if you’re even just 1 mile outside the zone and want to expand or build a new factory or warehouse you move it down the road. It sucks in projects and jobs at the expense of other areas. It all very good for tees. Just don’t fancy being on the development committee in council for a neighbouring borough. If the major green related projects get the go ahead then great. That would be new business on the table. " like I said before the land down there is huge no need to be a mile outside there is no land a mile outside lol there’s also low tax zones all over Teesside port of Hartlepool Teesside airport other places I can’t remember all your doing mate is looking for negates it’s a massive positive for the northeast | |||
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"I found this on freeports. The freeport tax reliefs announced in the Budget are largely expected to last for a period of five years. They include: An enhanced 10% rate of structures and buildings allowance for constructing or renovating non-residential structures and buildings within freeport tax sites in Great Britain. This means investments will be fully relieved after 10 years compared with 33 years for properties in other locations which only achieve a 3% rate. An enhanced capital allowance of 100% for company investment in plant and machinery for use in freeport tax sites in Great Britain. Full relief from stamp duty land tax (SDLT) on the purchase of land or property within freeport tax sites in England where it is purchased and used for a qualifying commercial purpose. Full business rates relief available to all new business and certain existing businesses that have expanded. This shows that property developers are at the top of the food chain yet again. Lots of speculative warehouse space will be built on the cheap. It also clearly shows if you’re even just 1 mile outside the zone and want to expand or build a new factory or warehouse you move it down the road. It sucks in projects and jobs at the expense of other areas. It all very good for tees. Just don’t fancy being on the development committee in council for a neighbouring borough. If the major green related projects get the go ahead then great. That would be new business on the table. like I said before the land down there is huge no need to be a mile outside there is no land a mile outside lol there’s also low tax zones all over Teesside port of Hartlepool Teesside airport other places I can’t remember all your doing mate is looking for negates it’s a massive positive for the northeast " Sorry Foxychick but It’s smoke and mirrors under the pretence of levelling up. You will see lots of new shiny warehouses and they will look great but not 18000 jobs. I hope I’m wrong . | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good " Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you fou d anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and wco omic benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again. | |||
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"I found this on freeports. The freeport tax reliefs announced in the Budget are largely expected to last for a period of five years. They include: An enhanced 10% rate of structures and buildings allowance for constructing or renovating non-residential structures and buildings within freeport tax sites in Great Britain. This means investments will be fully relieved after 10 years compared with 33 years for properties in other locations which only achieve a 3% rate. An enhanced capital allowance of 100% for company investment in plant and machinery for use in freeport tax sites in Great Britain. Full relief from stamp duty land tax (SDLT) on the purchase of land or property within freeport tax sites in England where it is purchased and used for a qualifying commercial purpose. Full business rates relief available to all new business and certain existing businesses that have expanded. This shows that property developers are at the top of the food chain yet again. Lots of speculative warehouse space will be built on the cheap. It also clearly shows if you’re even just 1 mile outside the zone and want to expand or build a new factory or warehouse you move it down the road. It sucks in projects and jobs at the expense of other areas. It all very good for tees. Just don’t fancy being on the development committee in council for a neighbouring borough. If the major green related projects get the go ahead then great. That would be new business on the table. like I said before the land down there is huge no need to be a mile outside there is no land a mile outside lol there’s also low tax zones all over Teesside port of Hartlepool Teesside airport other places I can’t remember all your doing mate is looking for negates it’s a massive positive for the northeast Sorry Foxychick but It’s smoke and mirrors under the pretence of levelling up. You will see lots of new shiny warehouses and they will look great but not 18000 jobs. I hope I’m wrong . " jackal google the work and investment down there see the plans for new company’s setting up there the green company’s wamt to be there because it makes sense it’s going to be the biggest green site in the U.K. | |||
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"Having Googled due to no knowledge, it was a tad suprising to see some of the recent OBR comments. Sounds like this is a great result for Teedside. But kinda neutral for the UK as a whole, meaning some losers elsewhere. " I agree mate but about time Teesside wasn’t one of the losers it’s more needed here than anywhere else | |||
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"Having Googled due to no knowledge, it was a tad suprising to see some of the recent OBR comments. Sounds like this is a great result for Teedside. But kinda neutral for the UK as a whole, meaning some losers elsewhere. I agree mate but about time Teesside wasn’t one of the losers it’s more needed here than anywhere else " don't disagree. Good for the area. Just not sure those who jump on it as a brexit dividend are helping themselves. We are simply shuffling our existing pack it seems. But an by product of bexit is even the Tories need to listen to the wider voting public. That may be the bexit dividend ... It's not that we are more sovereign ... Just our sovereignty is working better for us ! | |||
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"Having Googled due to no knowledge, it was a tad suprising to see some of the recent OBR comments. Sounds like this is a great result for Teedside. But kinda neutral for the UK as a whole, meaning some losers elsewhere. I agree mate but about time Teesside wasn’t one of the losers it’s more needed here than anywhere else don't disagree. Good for the area. Just not sure those who jump on it as a brexit dividend are helping themselves. We are simply shuffling our existing pack it seems. But an by product of bexit is even the Tories need to listen to the wider voting public. That may be the bexit dividend ... It's not that we are more sovereign ... Just our sovereignty is working better for us !" Foxy never said it was anything to do with brexit in the original op mate, others have added brexit into it. It was a non brexit thread. | |||
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"Having Googled due to no knowledge, it was a tad suprising to see some of the recent OBR comments. Sounds like this is a great result for Teedside. But kinda neutral for the UK as a whole, meaning some losers elsewhere. I agree mate but about time Teesside wasn’t one of the losers it’s more needed here than anywhere else don't disagree. Good for the area. Just not sure those who jump on it as a brexit dividend are helping themselves. We are simply shuffling our existing pack it seems. But an by product of bexit is even the Tories need to listen to the wider voting public. That may be the bexit dividend ... It's not that we are more sovereign ... Just our sovereignty is working better for us ! Foxy never said it was anything to do with brexit in the original op mate, others have added brexit into it. It was a non brexit thread." it was just a positive post but didn’t take long for the usuall negative posts to pop up lol noticed most the remainers swerved it tho as usual lol | |||
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"Having Googled due to no knowledge, it was a tad suprising to see some of the recent OBR comments. Sounds like this is a great result for Teedside. But kinda neutral for the UK as a whole, meaning some losers elsewhere. I agree mate but about time Teesside wasn’t one of the losers it’s more needed here than anywhere else don't disagree. Good for the area. Just not sure those who jump on it as a brexit dividend are helping themselves. We are simply shuffling our existing pack it seems. But an by product of bexit is even the Tories need to listen to the wider voting public. That may be the bexit dividend ... It's not that we are more sovereign ... Just our sovereignty is working better for us ! Foxy never said it was anything to do with brexit in the original op mate, others have added brexit into it. It was a non brexit thread.it was just a positive post but didn’t take long for the usuall negative posts to pop up lol noticed most the remainers swerved it tho as usual lol" Definitely was a positive post for a area of the country that desperately needs and deserves it. Even if not all of the jobs that are promised actually happen as some on here seem to believe, there will definitely be some and that can only be a good thing for those in the area. | |||
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"Having Googled due to no knowledge, it was a tad suprising to see some of the recent OBR comments. Sounds like this is a great result for Teedside. But kinda neutral for the UK as a whole, meaning some losers elsewhere. I agree mate but about time Teesside wasn’t one of the losers it’s more needed here than anywhere else don't disagree. Good for the area. Just not sure those who jump on it as a brexit dividend are helping themselves. We are simply shuffling our existing pack it seems. But an by product of bexit is even the Tories need to listen to the wider voting public. That may be the bexit dividend ... It's not that we are more sovereign ... Just our sovereignty is working better for us ! Foxy never said it was anything to do with brexit in the original op mate, others have added brexit into it. It was a non brexit thread.it was just a positive post but didn’t take long for the usuall negative posts to pop up lol noticed most the remainers swerved it tho as usual lol Definitely was a positive post for a area of the country that desperately needs and deserves it. Even if not all of the jobs that are promised actually happen as some on here seem to believe, there will definitely be some and that can only be a good thing for those in the area. "exactly cheers bud | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from?" Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand "teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol | |||
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"Having Googled due to no knowledge, it was a tad suprising to see some of the recent OBR comments. Sounds like this is a great result for Teedside. But kinda neutral for the UK as a whole, meaning some losers elsewhere. I agree mate but about time Teesside wasn’t one of the losers it’s more needed here than anywhere else " That will be great news for those who lose their jobs then. Knowing that they are going to people who "need them more". That sounds pretty selfish. Gaining at someone else's expense.Is that what we have to look forward to in the UK? Why is it that the existing free ports were no longer licensed after 2012? What's changed now that will make them work? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol"Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working"This is actual good news. Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down. Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now... | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now..."the saudi company is Sabic | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
"Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region"The issues are; If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them? They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere. The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work. Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?"it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there "No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research. Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him. This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up. No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics. The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66 | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
"eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol"Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts. Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere. The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible. Note "claims" . | |||
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"Can I just clear up a few of the transport related facts… Yes… direct trains from London to Teesside were stopped years ago… but now grand central do direct Sunderland to London services via Teesside 3 times a day ( okay not brilliant.. but a start!) For Teesside airport to be a success you need transport links in and out… so anyone care to guess how many train services stop at Teesside airport????? Anyone……. The answer is one service a week!!! So you best be on that early Sunday morning service or else!!!!!! Also… it’s all well and good discussing the merits of Teesside airport… but it doesn’t stimulate the local are if no passenger flights fly in and out!!! " what are you talking about Fabio no passenger flights in or out ??? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
"don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao "Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
"or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?"Let's take that apart Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever. Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway. And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff."dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon "You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't. Instead you try and change the terms of your comments. So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs. If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps. If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas. The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can. That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas. Enjoy ?? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
"you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol"Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road? The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area. If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference. The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69. You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements. And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off. If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
"id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho "I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste. The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment. Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them? The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job. Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant. If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?"the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now | |||
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"Can I just clear up a few of the transport related facts… Yes… direct trains from London to Teesside were stopped years ago… but now grand central do direct Sunderland to London services via Teesside 3 times a day ( okay not brilliant.. but a start!) For Teesside airport to be a success you need transport links in and out… so anyone care to guess how many train services stop at Teesside airport????? Anyone……. The answer is one service a week!!! So you best be on that early Sunday morning service or else!!!!!! Also… it’s all well and good discussing the merits of Teesside airport… but it doesn’t stimulate the local are if no passenger flights fly in and out!!! what are you talking about Fabio no passenger flights in or out ??? " From January KLM will increase the number of daily flights | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now "Sigh I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why? The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago."when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol "No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases. You haven't answered the questions I posed. And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
"you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol"You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you. If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things. Feel free to go again. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
"waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol"I really like your posts. Genuinely funny. If you you think Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case. Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet.  | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol
I really like your posts. Genuinely funny.
If you you think
Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth
So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case.
Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet. "o asked you who o should listen to apart from you I was half expecting you to say god because you’ve ruled out every fucker else you say you want jobs for Teesside then say you would prefer the investments on the A19 north of Newcastle and A66 west of Darlington all of which outsode Teesside you ask for evidence yet provided no proof that jobs won’t come to Teesside | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good " I don't want to get into the argument on this; but if Felixstowe can't cope - why not just have a major port on Teeside? Would UK logistics fall apart if containers didn't enter the country via SE England? Are there any genuinely good reasons why that couldn't be done? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol
I really like your posts. Genuinely funny.
If you you think
Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth
So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case.
Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet. o asked you who o should listen to apart from you I was half expecting you to say god because you’ve ruled out every fucker else you say you want jobs for Teesside then say you would prefer the investments on the A19 north of Newcastle and A66 west of Darlington all of which outsode Teesside you ask for evidence yet provided no proof that jobs won’t come to Teesside "Oh dear god If teesside benefits from changes in the strategic roads network it doesn't matter where they are. Please read the various reports on the impact of Freeport status on am area, start with the information submitted to parliament referred to above. Right, done that, great. Here's a suggestion, don't change your argument half way through. Ok, now tell everyone why if as you do, all MP's lie, they should believe the Idea that this will create 18000 jobs on teesside? Got that? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I don't want to get into the argument on this; but if Felixstowe can't cope - why not just have a major port on Teeside? Would UK logistics fall apart if containers didn't enter the country via SE England? Are there any genuinely good reasons why that couldn't be done?" A) Felixstowe can cope B) refer to A C) no evidence other than wishful thinking that Freeports create new jobs ( refer to reporting by parliament ) This is getting tiresome. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I don't want to get into the argument on this; but if Felixstowe can't cope - why not just have a major port on Teeside? Would UK logistics fall apart if containers didn't enter the country via SE England? Are there any genuinely good reasons why that couldn't be done?" Felixstowe is huge and ordinarily can cope. It’s just the unfortunate current circumstances. As for why not Teeside, other than the transport cost increase from the further shipping mileage, no reason really. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I don't want to get into the argument on this; but if Felixstowe can't cope - why not just have a major port on Teeside? Would UK logistics fall apart if containers didn't enter the country via SE England? Are there any genuinely good reasons why that couldn't be done? Felixstowe is huge and ordinarily can cope. It’s just the unfortunate current circumstances. As for why not Teeside, other than the transport cost increase from the further shipping mileage, no reason really." Teesport as it stands is more than up to the job of handling more freight. The issues are around infrastructure and getting stuff away from the port. Rail and road both need an upgrade. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol
I really like your posts. Genuinely funny.
If you you think
Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth
So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case.
Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet. o asked you who o should listen to apart from you I was half expecting you to say god because you’ve ruled out every fucker else you say you want jobs for Teesside then say you would prefer the investments on the A19 north of Newcastle and A66 west of Darlington all of which outsode Teesside you ask for evidence yet provided no proof that jobs won’t come to Teesside
Oh dear god
If teesside benefits from changes in the strategic roads network it doesn't matter where they are.
Please read the various reports on the impact of Freeport status on am area, start with the information submitted to parliament referred to above.
Right, done that, great.
Here's a suggestion, don't change your argument half way through.
Ok, now tell everyone why if as you do, all MP's lie, they should believe the Idea that this will create 18000 jobs on teesside?
Got that?
"it does matter if the money for tee sport is diverted to the A66 in Durham and Cumbria and A19 in Northumberland there are your suggestions why wouldn’t you want that investment in Teesside that is where you live and work the 18000 jobs are a benefit of the Freeport listen to the people setting up down there they say the Freeport was a factor in them choosing Teesside why arnt you happy about that ??? And can you please tell me where you get your news from as you slated me for listening to bbc tees and reading the gazette I’d really like to tap into your fountain of knowledge lol even Fabio as bailed you on this thread lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol
I really like your posts. Genuinely funny.
If you you think
Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth
So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case.
Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet. o asked you who o should listen to apart from you I was half expecting you to say god because you’ve ruled out every fucker else you say you want jobs for Teesside then say you would prefer the investments on the A19 north of Newcastle and A66 west of Darlington all of which outsode Teesside you ask for evidence yet provided no proof that jobs won’t come to Teesside
Oh dear god
If teesside benefits from changes in the strategic roads network it doesn't matter where they are.
Please read the various reports on the impact of Freeport status on am area, start with the information submitted to parliament referred to above.
Right, done that, great.
Here's a suggestion, don't change your argument half way through.
Ok, now tell everyone why if as you do, all MP's lie, they should believe the Idea that this will create 18000 jobs on teesside?
Got that?
it does matter if the money for tee sport is diverted to the A66 in Durham and Cumbria and A19 in Northumberland there are your suggestions why wouldn’t you want that investment in Teesside that is where you live and work the 18000 jobs are a benefit of the Freeport listen to the people setting up down there they say the Freeport was a factor in them choosing Teesside why arnt you happy about that ??? And can you please tell me where you get your news from as you slated me for listening to bbc tees and reading the gazette I’d really like to tap into your fountain of knowledge lol even Fabio as bailed you on this thread lol"No I did not slate you for listening to radio tees. That's pure nonsense. Also nonsense is 18000 jobs, please refer to the comments regarding the economic benefits of a Freeport. You can have a gold plated Freeport if you wish, but if you can't get stuff in or out, it's useless. News, my newsfeed is full of stuff from the likes of the northern echo, Hartlepool mail, Yorkshire post. Then the broadsheet stuff and not forgetting the international press. I think this is the 3rd time I've asked; if as you say above, you can't trust politicians (paraphrasing) why are you trusting them over the Freeport, what changed? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol
I really like your posts. Genuinely funny.
If you you think
Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth
So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case.
Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet. o asked you who o should listen to apart from you I was half expecting you to say god because you’ve ruled out every fucker else you say you want jobs for Teesside then say you would prefer the investments on the A19 north of Newcastle and A66 west of Darlington all of which outsode Teesside you ask for evidence yet provided no proof that jobs won’t come to Teesside
Oh dear god
If teesside benefits from changes in the strategic roads network it doesn't matter where they are.
Please read the various reports on the impact of Freeport status on am area, start with the information submitted to parliament referred to above.
Right, done that, great.
Here's a suggestion, don't change your argument half way through.
Ok, now tell everyone why if as you do, all MP's lie, they should believe the Idea that this will create 18000 jobs on teesside?
Got that?
it does matter if the money for tee sport is diverted to the A66 in Durham and Cumbria and A19 in Northumberland there are your suggestions why wouldn’t you want that investment in Teesside that is where you live and work the 18000 jobs are a benefit of the Freeport listen to the people setting up down there they say the Freeport was a factor in them choosing Teesside why arnt you happy about that ??? And can you please tell me where you get your news from as you slated me for listening to bbc tees and reading the gazette I’d really like to tap into your fountain of knowledge lol even Fabio as bailed you on this thread lol
No I did not slate you for listening to radio tees. That's pure nonsense.
Also nonsense is 18000 jobs, please refer to the comments regarding the economic benefits of a Freeport.
You can have a gold plated Freeport if you wish, but if you can't get stuff in or out, it's useless.
News, my newsfeed is full of stuff from the likes of the northern echo, Hartlepool mail, Yorkshire post.
Then the broadsheet stuff and not forgetting the international press.
I think this is the 3rd time I've asked; if as you say above, you can't trust politicians (paraphrasing) why are you trusting them over the Freeport, what changed?"nothings changed I don’t think anyone trusts them nowadays Teesside fought long and hard for the Freeport and for once got it you or me don’t know as a fact how many jobs it will bring you keep referring to the Freeport as the jobs iv said many times it’s the jobs down at teesport aswell where the jo s will be Teesport is trying to become the biggest green area in the U.K. but all you do is complain about that yet on another thread about climate change you post the cost is the planet ? So now bbcteess and the gazette print and talk about nonsense yet the Hartlepool mail and northern echo are all facts ok I’ll check them out the mayor and radio and papers arnt politicians so don’t know why you keep asking me the same silly question can I ask is there anything you can get behind that’s in Teesside as you seem a very unhappy man ?? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
Sigh
I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol
I really like your posts. Genuinely funny.
If you you think
Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth
So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case.
Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet. o asked you who o should listen to apart from you I was half expecting you to say god because you’ve ruled out every fucker else you say you want jobs for Teesside then say you would prefer the investments on the A19 north of Newcastle and A66 west of Darlington all of which outsode Teesside you ask for evidence yet provided no proof that jobs won’t come to Teesside
Oh dear god
If teesside benefits from changes in the strategic roads network it doesn't matter where they are.
Please read the various reports on the impact of Freeport status on am area, start with the information submitted to parliament referred to above.
Right, done that, great.
Here's a suggestion, don't change your argument half way through.
Ok, now tell everyone why if as you do, all MP's lie, they should believe the Idea that this will create 18000 jobs on teesside?
Got that?
it does matter if the money for tee sport is diverted to the A66 in Durham and Cumbria and A19 in Northumberland there are your suggestions why wouldn’t you want that investment in Teesside that is where you live and work the 18000 jobs are a benefit of the Freeport listen to the people setting up down there they say the Freeport was a factor in them choosing Teesside why arnt you happy about that ??? And can you please tell me where you get your news from as you slated me for listening to bbc tees and reading the gazette I’d really like to tap into your fountain of knowledge lol even Fabio as bailed you on this thread lol
No I did not slate you for listening to radio tees. That's pure nonsense.
Also nonsense is 18000 jobs, please refer to the comments regarding the economic benefits of a Freeport.
You can have a gold plated Freeport if you wish, but if you can't get stuff in or out, it's useless.
News, my newsfeed is full of stuff from the likes of the northern echo, Hartlepool mail, Yorkshire post.
Then the broadsheet stuff and not forgetting the international press.
I think this is the 3rd time I've asked; if as you say above, you can't trust politicians (paraphrasing) why are you trusting them over the Freeport, what changed?nothings changed I don’t think anyone trusts them nowadays Teesside fought long and hard for the Freeport and for once got it you or me don’t know as a fact how many jobs it will bring you keep referring to the Freeport as the jobs iv said many times it’s the jobs down at teesport aswell where the jo s will be Teesport is trying to become the biggest green area in the U.K. but all you do is complain about that yet on another thread about climate change you post the cost is the planet ? So now bbcteess and the gazette print and talk about nonsense yet the Hartlepool mail and northern echo are all facts ok I’ll check them out the mayor and radio and papers arnt politicians so don’t know why you keep asking me the same silly question can I ask is there anything you can get behind that’s in Teesside as you seem a very unhappy man ??"Same question again. Why if they all lie do you now think they are telling the truth about the port? What's changed. Thanks for accepting you don't know how many jobs will be coming, if any. You have asserted that the gazette and radio tees print nonsense, please feel free to cut and paste where I've said that. You asked if there's anything I can get behind in teesside, I'll answer that in the following ways; I've twice relocated back to teesside, once from Cheshire and once from Fife. Get the Idea? This area has much to offer, but doffing your cap when given crumbs from the table is not a way to access them. We have a world class nuclear power plant, using fail safe AGCR technology, that's never been expanded on. We sit on a massive anhydrous salt mine. That's never been utilised. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
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I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol
I really like your posts. Genuinely funny.
If you you think
Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth
So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case.
Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet. o asked you who o should listen to apart from you I was half expecting you to say god because you’ve ruled out every fucker else you say you want jobs for Teesside then say you would prefer the investments on the A19 north of Newcastle and A66 west of Darlington all of which outsode Teesside you ask for evidence yet provided no proof that jobs won’t come to Teesside
Oh dear god
If teesside benefits from changes in the strategic roads network it doesn't matter where they are.
Please read the various reports on the impact of Freeport status on am area, start with the information submitted to parliament referred to above.
Right, done that, great.
Here's a suggestion, don't change your argument half way through.
Ok, now tell everyone why if as you do, all MP's lie, they should believe the Idea that this will create 18000 jobs on teesside?
Got that?
it does matter if the money for tee sport is diverted to the A66 in Durham and Cumbria and A19 in Northumberland there are your suggestions why wouldn’t you want that investment in Teesside that is where you live and work the 18000 jobs are a benefit of the Freeport listen to the people setting up down there they say the Freeport was a factor in them choosing Teesside why arnt you happy about that ??? And can you please tell me where you get your news from as you slated me for listening to bbc tees and reading the gazette I’d really like to tap into your fountain of knowledge lol even Fabio as bailed you on this thread lol
No I did not slate you for listening to radio tees. That's pure nonsense.
Also nonsense is 18000 jobs, please refer to the comments regarding the economic benefits of a Freeport.
You can have a gold plated Freeport if you wish, but if you can't get stuff in or out, it's useless.
News, my newsfeed is full of stuff from the likes of the northern echo, Hartlepool mail, Yorkshire post.
Then the broadsheet stuff and not forgetting the international press.
I think this is the 3rd time I've asked; if as you say above, you can't trust politicians (paraphrasing) why are you trusting them over the Freeport, what changed?nothings changed I don’t think anyone trusts them nowadays Teesside fought long and hard for the Freeport and for once got it you or me don’t know as a fact how many jobs it will bring you keep referring to the Freeport as the jobs iv said many times it’s the jobs down at teesport aswell where the jo s will be Teesport is trying to become the biggest green area in the U.K. but all you do is complain about that yet on another thread about climate change you post the cost is the planet ? So now bbcteess and the gazette print and talk about nonsense yet the Hartlepool mail and northern echo are all facts ok I’ll check them out the mayor and radio and papers arnt politicians so don’t know why you keep asking me the same silly question can I ask is there anything you can get behind that’s in Teesside as you seem a very unhappy man ??
Same question again.
Why if they all lie do you now think they are telling the truth about the port? What's changed.
Thanks for accepting you don't know how many jobs will be coming, if any.
You have asserted that the gazette and radio tees print nonsense, please feel free to cut and paste where I've said that.
You asked if there's anything I can get behind in teesside, I'll answer that in the following ways;
I've twice relocated back to teesside, once from Cheshire and once from Fife.
Get the Idea?
This area has much to offer, but doffing your cap when given crumbs from the table is not a way to access them.
We have a world class nuclear power plant, using fail safe AGCR technology, that's never been expanded on.
We sit on a massive anhydrous salt mine. That's never been utilised.
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?"Personally I was just saying its good news for the area. Some existing jobs and some new jobs. That's it- just a post saying good news | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?
Personally I was just saying its good news for the area. Some existing jobs and some new jobs. That's it- just a post saying good news"thank you investment in the area is badly needed | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I have explained to you before To have a port creating 18k jobs it would have to be twice the size of the largest UK port, or a 5th the size of Amazon. Wheres the extra trade coming from? Open your legs like a free port and watch people come from far and wide to use it, even though they have one close at hand teessiders been opening there legs for decades and not getting paid lol
Apparently some Saudi company is pumping in nearly a billion pounds into your area. Both safeguarding jobs and creating new jobs. I don't know what you guys and girls are doing but whatever it is it's working
This is actual good news.
Carbon offsetting hydrocarbon processing. Investing rather than shutting it down.
Alwaus difficult to know how much of a tax sweetener there is, but every county plays that game to some extent. I don't know how much more desperate we might be to prove ourselves as a country now...
the saudi company is Sabic
Thank you. Can't say I heard of them but good news, especially for the region
The issues are;
If Freeports are that great, why did a conservative government abolish them?
They don't create new jobs, just hoover in existing jobs from elsewhere.
The figures for the new jobs are pure guess work.
Could the money spent be better spent on more tangible infrastructure work elsewhere?it’s fantastic news and you don’t know if they will take jobs from elsewhere it’s pure guess work your looking for the negatives again instead of the positives true to form and where could the money be spent elsewhere teesport is where the old steelworks where it’s replacing the jobs that used to be there
No it's not a pure guess. It's based on research.
Sunak said it is not possible to quantify the impact of Freeports, so if you are looking for guess work I suggest you look at the figures put out by him.
This has been subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Feel free to look it up.
No it's not replacing the jobs lost in the steel industry, two completely different industries with different dynamics.
The money could be spent on electrification of the trans pennine route, improvement of the A19 south of mandale, assisting in the dualing of the A66
eh and how many jobs will they create then ? So on other sites your all for green energy but when it comes to your own area your not keen at all there’s a shock lol
Another misrepresentation of my views. Please try and stick to facts.
Those schemes all produce things that are needed, require no technology changes, don't suck in jobs from elsewhere.
The TUC claims one million jobs from infrastructure work is possible.
Note "claims" .
don’t suck in jobs from elsewhere so improving the A19 and the A66 would all be done using local workers then lmao
Funny enough the construction companies that do that sort of work prefer local staff as it means less time lost to travel time and no need to pay for overnight accommodation
The most you have to pay for is a welfare van or two
or really is that a fact I didn’t know that so your not keen on green jobs down at reexport then you prefer motorways to be made wider then ?
Let's take that apart
Firstly please provide a cut and paste of where I said I don't like green jobs, ever.
Next neither the A19 or A66 are motorways , a significant element of it is single carriageway.
And yes, it is a fact that the construction companies prefer local staff.dodny you say you would prefer the investment at teesport spent elsewhere? Teesprt is where a lot of green energy investment is going in our region ok not motorways great you win that point then can you tell me where they are single carriageways? And thanks for your final point I’ll tell the lads down the local who work on motorways up and down the country that they be over the moon
You said I wasn't keen on green jobs, I asked you to provide a cut and paste to prove it. You can't.
Instead you try and change the terms of your comments.
So again, a cut and paste that I don't like green jobs.
If you want to know the state of the A66 where it's not dual carriageway, go to Google maps.
If you are doing that take the opportunity to check out the A1 north of the Tyne as regards single carriageway areas.
The lads down the pub will probably tell you about how the construction companies use local subbies where they can.
That's the likes of contain, Balfour Beatty, galliford try, colas.
Enjoy ??
you said the money could be spent elsewhere didn’t you ? So going off that I assumed you didn’t want it spending down at teesport isn’t that reasonable ? And the A19 and A66 single carriageways arnt in Teesside mate so going by that I assume you want money spending at tee sport to go outside Teesside then ? I’m only going if your posts your moaning about teesport now talking about money been spent in Durham Cumbria and Tyneside don’t you want that spent here in Teesside lol
Making assumptions is not reasonable. Talk to your mates in the pub as to what happens when they make an assumption in building a road?
The A19 is not single carriageway, but south of this area it's not in a good state. It's one of the two primary routes into the area.
If you don't look after the feeds into the area, you can cover teesport in gold leaf and it won't make a difference.
The A66 is a strategic asset, if it gets blocked forget getting anything into or out of teesside west wards unless you go south to the M62 or north to the A69.
You think I moan, when all I do is point out the huge holes in the government statements.
And just to put that into context your MP voted to put more sh*t in the rivers and let a corrupted MP get off.
If he or his mates said that grass is green I'd look out the window to check.
id look out the window and check if Any mp said that mate so am I wrong in assuming you want investment down at teesport spent on the A19 and A66 or not and the A19 south of the tees is a mare talk of a 3rd bridge as been going on for decades as you well know work as only just finished north of the tees on the A19 I’m not sure if it’s made much of a difference tho
I think spending money on a Freeport is a waste.
The money could be spent on other projects and with a greater confidence in returns on investment.
Ask yourself this, if Freeports were the way forward, why did a previous conservative government scrap them?
The new flyover is purely a houchen product. No design yet and no lead contractor appointment. The figure he is using for design and build is £300 million. I've seen eyebrows raised at that because it's low for the size of the job.
Oh and it's a loan. Not a government grant.
If you don't trust politicians, then why trust their statements on Freeport's, what have they done to make you change your mind?the Freeport is at teesport that is where the investment is going a lot on green projects like carbon capture the wind turbine blades da Tory the one you put down saying zero blades yet but all these projects are just starting up like anything new people will of said the worlds biggest offshore wind farm doesn’t have a turbine yet a few years back but there not saying it now and look at Fabio earlier on here saying the airport needs passenger planes or it’s no good to the local economy you amd me both know that’s been happening a while now
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I'll say it again, you don't trust politicians, but you believe them on the Freeport, despite the hard evidence I gave you above, so why?
The airport, great, we go back to where we were about 15 years ago. when did I say I believe them iv heard the company’s who are building down there and starting up on the radio iv told you before listen to your local radio you can here it from tne horses mouth petal you can try your local paper aswell or I forgot you do t do local news it’s beneath you your to well educated for them lol
No, local radio is not the horses mouth, it's local radio repeating press releases.
You haven't answered the questions I posed.
And whats wrong with an education? Surely you want your kids to get one?
you didn’t read it did you or you will of seen where I said about the people who are going to be running these company’s there not politicians darling like I said o you before all politians lie from all party’s and my kids do have an education a very good one thanks I was taking the piss out of you trying to sound clever lol
You didn't quite get it right at taking the piss did you.
If you think that a company representative isn't going to spin a positive story then you might want to think about things.
Feel free to go again.
waot there then so company representatives local news radio amd papers local mayor and politicians there all going to spin a positive story so I should listen to you and your negative story’s ye is that what your saying lmao so who can I listen to them apart from you that is I mean your words law isn’t it lol
I really like your posts. Genuinely funny.
If you you think
Local politicians will tell the truth, or company representatives will go against corporate policy then good luck. Still, we can always use local radio and paper's for the truth
So far all you have done is grumble that someone dare criticise you, despite the lack of evidence for your case.
Either provide evidence to back up your case ( so far you've not) or be quiet. o asked you who o should listen to apart from you I was half expecting you to say god because you’ve ruled out every fucker else you say you want jobs for Teesside then say you would prefer the investments on the A19 north of Newcastle and A66 west of Darlington all of which outsode Teesside you ask for evidence yet provided no proof that jobs won’t come to Teesside
Oh dear god
If teesside benefits from changes in the strategic roads network it doesn't matter where they are.
Please read the various reports on the impact of Freeport status on am area, start with the information submitted to parliament referred to above.
Right, done that, great.
Here's a suggestion, don't change your argument half way through.
Ok, now tell everyone why if as you do, all MP's lie, they should believe the Idea that this will create 18000 jobs on teesside?
Got that?
it does matter if the money for tee sport is diverted to the A66 in Durham and Cumbria and A19 in Northumberland there are your suggestions why wouldn’t you want that investment in Teesside that is where you live and work the 18000 jobs are a benefit of the Freeport listen to the people setting up down there they say the Freeport was a factor in them choosing Teesside why arnt you happy about that ??? And can you please tell me where you get your news from as you slated me for listening to bbc tees and reading the gazette I’d really like to tap into your fountain of knowledge lol even Fabio as bailed you on this thread lol
No I did not slate you for listening to radio tees. That's pure nonsense.
Also nonsense is 18000 jobs, please refer to the comments regarding the economic benefits of a Freeport.
You can have a gold plated Freeport if you wish, but if you can't get stuff in or out, it's useless.
News, my newsfeed is full of stuff from the likes of the northern echo, Hartlepool mail, Yorkshire post.
Then the broadsheet stuff and not forgetting the international press.
I think this is the 3rd time I've asked; if as you say above, you can't trust politicians (paraphrasing) why are you trusting them over the Freeport, what changed?nothings changed I don’t think anyone trusts them nowadays Teesside fought long and hard for the Freeport and for once got it you or me don’t know as a fact how many jobs it will bring you keep referring to the Freeport as the jobs iv said many times it’s the jobs down at teesport aswell where the jo s will be Teesport is trying to become the biggest green area in the U.K. but all you do is complain about that yet on another thread about climate change you post the cost is the planet ? So now bbcteess and the gazette print and talk about nonsense yet the Hartlepool mail and northern echo are all facts ok I’ll check them out the mayor and radio and papers arnt politicians so don’t know why you keep asking me the same silly question can I ask is there anything you can get behind that’s in Teesside as you seem a very unhappy man ??
Same question again.
Why if they all lie do you now think they are telling the truth about the port? What's changed.
Thanks for accepting you don't know how many jobs will be coming, if any.
You have asserted that the gazette and radio tees print nonsense, please feel free to cut and paste where I've said that.
You asked if there's anything I can get behind in teesside, I'll answer that in the following ways;
I've twice relocated back to teesside, once from Cheshire and once from Fife.
Get the Idea?
This area has much to offer, but doffing your cap when given crumbs from the table is not a way to access them.
We have a world class nuclear power plant, using fail safe AGCR technology, that's never been expanded on.
We sit on a massive anhydrous salt mine. That's never been utilised.
stip asking the same question you sound a bit tapped mate where have I quoted an mp on this this was a headline in the gazette from the mayor Ben houchin of doffing your cap isn’t the way to access them what is the way ? Your the genius on every subject please inform me ? so now you want the money spent on a nuclear plant a salt mine aswell a the A66 in Cumbria and A19 in Northumberland anything else wrong with investment at teesport and a Freeport you don’t like ???"All you are doing is parroting the nonsense spoken by the likes of that man of the people Sunak. I've presented you with evidence that even Sunak can't say if a Freeport is an economic benefit. And I'll keep asking until you give a meaningful answer. No I'm not a genius, never pretended to be, I just research things, don't you? You so far have said I'm against green jobs, no evidence. You also had a go at me for being educated. You've now said Ben Houchen is the mayor, he isn't. Steve Walmsey is the mayor of thornaby. Houchen is mayor of something called the tees valley combined authority. He's the one who was taken to account by historic England. Again provide evidence I said I want money spent on a salt mine, or a nuclear power plant. I assume tapped is some sort of insult? | |||
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"All you presented me was sunak not knowing the true benefit of the Freeport that isn’t evidence you may think so but it’s not and I never said houchin was mayor of thornaby where did you get that from ? He’s mayor of teesvally he’s the one that helped get the land of the tia banks at teesport the fact that you don’t want investment down there you want it spent in Cumbria and Northumberland brought me to think you where against green projects as that’s where a lot of the investment is going there and again where have I quoted an mo and said I believe what they said ?? I never mentioned nuclear plants or salt mines I was replying to your post about them your the only person in here who is against the Freeport and investment there " You said the mayor then specifically stated houchen. He's the one that ensured our heritage was bull dozed. It's all in black and white and available if you Google it. Sunak was triumphalist about Freeports, tell me you didn't watch the budget or listen to it, pretty sure it was well covered on radio tees. You also stated salt mine and nuclear power plant. "Brought me to think" you made yet another assumption. I pointed out the danger of doing that. So far all you have done is try to throw stuff at me. You might want to take a time out. | |||
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"All you presented me was sunak not knowing the true benefit of the Freeport that isn’t evidence you may think so but it’s not and I never said houchin was mayor of thornaby where did you get that from ? He’s mayor of teesvally he’s the one that helped get the land of the tia banks at teesport the fact that you don’t want investment down there you want it spent in Cumbria and Northumberland brought me to think you where against green projects as that’s where a lot of the investment is going there and again where have I quoted an mo and said I believe what they said ?? I never mentioned nuclear plants or salt mines I was replying to your post about them your the only person in here who is against the Freeport and investment there You said the mayor then specifically stated houchen. He's the one that ensured our heritage was bull dozed. It's all in black and white and available if you Google it. Sunak was triumphalist about Freeports, tell me you didn't watch the budget or listen to it, pretty sure it was well covered on radio tees. You also stated salt mine and nuclear power plant. "Brought me to think" you made yet another assumption. I pointed out the danger of doing that. So far all you have done is try to throw stuff at me. You might want to take a time out. " you mentioned salt mines read back I jus replied to you you just said I mite want to take time out yesterday you said if I can’t show evidence be quiet it’s you who thinks your opinion is more valid than mine iv not told you to do one have I ? Yes I wached the budget but Iv never quoted sunak you have and what as houchen and the towns heritage how’s t to do with th Freeport’s it’s you who keeps going of the subject not me you’ve stated A66a19 electrification of train lines the towns heritage salt mines nuclear plants and sunak and all iv talked about is the Freeport lol should I do as you tell me now and be quiet sir ? | |||
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"All you presented me was sunak not knowing the true benefit of the Freeport that isn’t evidence you may think so but it’s not and I never said houchin was mayor of thornaby where did you get that from ? He’s mayor of teesvally he’s the one that helped get the land of the tia banks at teesport the fact that you don’t want investment down there you want it spent in Cumbria and Northumberland brought me to think you where against green projects as that’s where a lot of the investment is going there and again where have I quoted an mo and said I believe what they said ?? I never mentioned nuclear plants or salt mines I was replying to your post about them your the only person in here who is against the Freeport and investment there You said the mayor then specifically stated houchen. He's the one that ensured our heritage was bull dozed. It's all in black and white and available if you Google it. Sunak was triumphalist about Freeports, tell me you didn't watch the budget or listen to it, pretty sure it was well covered on radio tees. You also stated salt mine and nuclear power plant. "Brought me to think" you made yet another assumption. I pointed out the danger of doing that. So far all you have done is try to throw stuff at me. You might want to take a time out. you mentioned salt mines read back I jus replied to you you just said I mite want to take time out yesterday you said if I can’t show evidence be quiet it’s you who thinks your opinion is more valid than mine iv not told you to do one have I ? Yes I wached the budget but Iv never quoted sunak you have and what as houchen and the towns heritage how’s t to do with th Freeport’s it’s you who keeps going of the subject not me you’ve stated A66a19 electrification of train lines the towns heritage salt mines nuclear plants and sunak and all iv talked about is the Freeport lol should I do as you tell me now and be quiet sir ?" Oh dear. You've talked about how all politicians lie, but now seem totally enraptured by them. I'm not sure what you typed about Houchen and areas heritage, but I'm 99 % sure his demolition of a major teesside landmark was covered. And in detail. You asked me for alternative areas to invest. I gave you a list which included rail electrification. Perhaps you don't recall the questions you asked? By the way did you ask the lads down the pub about construction companies preferring to employ local subbies? Not sure why you are calling me sir, I've never been in the military, a school teacher or knighted. Not sure I'd want to be knighted to be fair. | |||
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"All you presented me was sunak not knowing the true benefit of the Freeport that isn’t evidence you may think so but it’s not and I never said houchin was mayor of thornaby where did you get that from ? He’s mayor of teesvally he’s the one that helped get the land of the tia banks at teesport the fact that you don’t want investment down there you want it spent in Cumbria and Northumberland brought me to think you where against green projects as that’s where a lot of the investment is going there and again where have I quoted an mo and said I believe what they said ?? I never mentioned nuclear plants or salt mines I was replying to your post about them your the only person in here who is against the Freeport and investment there You said the mayor then specifically stated houchen. He's the one that ensured our heritage was bull dozed. It's all in black and white and available if you Google it. Sunak was triumphalist about Freeports, tell me you didn't watch the budget or listen to it, pretty sure it was well covered on radio tees. You also stated salt mine and nuclear power plant. "Brought me to think" you made yet another assumption. I pointed out the danger of doing that. So far all you have done is try to throw stuff at me. You might want to take a time out. you mentioned salt mines read back I jus replied to you you just said I mite want to take time out yesterday you said if I can’t show evidence be quiet it’s you who thinks your opinion is more valid than mine iv not told you to do one have I ? Yes I wached the budget but Iv never quoted sunak you have and what as houchen and the towns heritage how’s t to do with th Freeport’s it’s you who keeps going of the subject not me you’ve stated A66a19 electrification of train lines the towns heritage salt mines nuclear plants and sunak and all iv talked about is the Freeport lol should I do as you tell me now and be quiet sir ? Oh dear. You've talked about how all politicians lie, but now seem totally enraptured by them. I'm not sure what you typed about Houchen and areas heritage, but I'm 99 % sure his demolition of a major teesside landmark was covered. And in detail. You asked me for alternative areas to invest. I gave you a list which included rail electrification. Perhaps you don't recall the questions you asked? By the way did you ask the lads down the pub about construction companies preferring to employ local subbies? Not sure why you are calling me sir, I've never been in the military, a school teacher or knighted. Not sure I'd want to be knighted to be fair. " lmao enraptured by them name one iv ever spoke highly about not one politician have I spoke about on this thread and no I’m not out till sat night and going to Norton I called you sir astounded like to tell me what to do and what as houchins demolition of a piece of heritage got to do with a thread about teesport lol | |||
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"All you presented me was sunak not knowing the true benefit of the Freeport that isn’t evidence you may think so but it’s not and I never said houchin was mayor of thornaby where did you get that from ? He’s mayor of teesvally he’s the one that helped get the land of the tia banks at teesport the fact that you don’t want investment down there you want it spent in Cumbria and Northumberland brought me to think you where against green projects as that’s where a lot of the investment is going there and again where have I quoted an mo and said I believe what they said ?? I never mentioned nuclear plants or salt mines I was replying to your post about them your the only person in here who is against the Freeport and investment there You said the mayor then specifically stated houchen. He's the one that ensured our heritage was bull dozed. It's all in black and white and available if you Google it. Sunak was triumphalist about Freeports, tell me you didn't watch the budget or listen to it, pretty sure it was well covered on radio tees. You also stated salt mine and nuclear power plant. "Brought me to think" you made yet another assumption. I pointed out the danger of doing that. So far all you have done is try to throw stuff at me. You might want to take a time out. you mentioned salt mines read back I jus replied to you you just said I mite want to take time out yesterday you said if I can’t show evidence be quiet it’s you who thinks your opinion is more valid than mine iv not told you to do one have I ? Yes I wached the budget but Iv never quoted sunak you have and what as houchen and the towns heritage how’s t to do with th Freeport’s it’s you who keeps going of the subject not me you’ve stated A66a19 electrification of train lines the towns heritage salt mines nuclear plants and sunak and all iv talked about is the Freeport lol should I do as you tell me now and be quiet sir ? Oh dear. You've talked about how all politicians lie, but now seem totally enraptured by them. I'm not sure what you typed about Houchen and areas heritage, but I'm 99 % sure his demolition of a major teesside landmark was covered. And in detail. You asked me for alternative areas to invest. I gave you a list which included rail electrification. Perhaps you don't recall the questions you asked? By the way did you ask the lads down the pub about construction companies preferring to employ local subbies? Not sure why you are calling me sir, I've never been in the military, a school teacher or knighted. Not sure I'd want to be knighted to be fair. " why do you want money earmarked for teesport spent in Cumbria and Northumberland ? | |||
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"All you presented me was sunak not knowing the true benefit of the Freeport that isn’t evidence you may think so but it’s not and I never said houchin was mayor of thornaby where did you get that from ? He’s mayor of teesvally he’s the one that helped get the land of the tia banks at teesport the fact that you don’t want investment down there you want it spent in Cumbria and Northumberland brought me to think you where against green projects as that’s where a lot of the investment is going there and again where have I quoted an mo and said I believe what they said ?? I never mentioned nuclear plants or salt mines I was replying to your post about them your the only person in here who is against the Freeport and investment there You said the mayor then specifically stated houchen. He's the one that ensured our heritage was bull dozed. It's all in black and white and available if you Google it. Sunak was triumphalist about Freeports, tell me you didn't watch the budget or listen to it, pretty sure it was well covered on radio tees. You also stated salt mine and nuclear power plant. "Brought me to think" you made yet another assumption. I pointed out the danger of doing that. So far all you have done is try to throw stuff at me. You might want to take a time out. you mentioned salt mines read back I jus replied to you you just said I mite want to take time out yesterday you said if I can’t show evidence be quiet it’s you who thinks your opinion is more valid than mine iv not told you to do one have I ? Yes I wached the budget but Iv never quoted sunak you have and what as houchen and the towns heritage how’s t to do with th Freeport’s it’s you who keeps going of the subject not me you’ve stated A66a19 electrification of train lines the towns heritage salt mines nuclear plants and sunak and all iv talked about is the Freeport lol should I do as you tell me now and be quiet sir ? Oh dear. You've talked about how all politicians lie, but now seem totally enraptured by them. I'm not sure what you typed about Houchen and areas heritage, but I'm 99 % sure his demolition of a major teesside landmark was covered. And in detail. You asked me for alternative areas to invest. I gave you a list which included rail electrification. Perhaps you don't recall the questions you asked? By the way did you ask the lads down the pub about construction companies preferring to employ local subbies? Not sure why you are calling me sir, I've never been in the military, a school teacher or knighted. Not sure I'd want to be knighted to be fair. why do you want money earmarked for teesport spent in Cumbria and Northumberland ?" I want the best economic bang for my teesside buck. That may mean investment outside the county borough of Teesside. I've told you that before I believe. | |||
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"All you presented me was sunak not knowing the true benefit of the Freeport that isn’t evidence you may think so but it’s not and I never said houchin was mayor of thornaby where did you get that from ? He’s mayor of teesvally he’s the one that helped get the land of the tia banks at teesport the fact that you don’t want investment down there you want it spent in Cumbria and Northumberland brought me to think you where against green projects as that’s where a lot of the investment is going there and again where have I quoted an mo and said I believe what they said ?? I never mentioned nuclear plants or salt mines I was replying to your post about them your the only person in here who is against the Freeport and investment there You said the mayor then specifically stated houchen. He's the one that ensured our heritage was bull dozed. It's all in black and white and available if you Google it. Sunak was triumphalist about Freeports, tell me you didn't watch the budget or listen to it, pretty sure it was well covered on radio tees. You also stated salt mine and nuclear power plant. "Brought me to think" you made yet another assumption. I pointed out the danger of doing that. So far all you have done is try to throw stuff at me. You might want to take a time out. you mentioned salt mines read back I jus replied to you you just said I mite want to take time out yesterday you said if I can’t show evidence be quiet it’s you who thinks your opinion is more valid than mine iv not told you to do one have I ? Yes I wached the budget but Iv never quoted sunak you have and what as houchen and the towns heritage how’s t to do with th Freeport’s it’s you who keeps going of the subject not me you’ve stated A66a19 electrification of train lines the towns heritage salt mines nuclear plants and sunak and all iv talked about is the Freeport lol should I do as you tell me now and be quiet sir ? Oh dear. You've talked about how all politicians lie, but now seem totally enraptured by them. I'm not sure what you typed about Houchen and areas heritage, but I'm 99 % sure his demolition of a major teesside landmark was covered. And in detail. You asked me for alternative areas to invest. I gave you a list which included rail electrification. Perhaps you don't recall the questions you asked? By the way did you ask the lads down the pub about construction companies preferring to employ local subbies? Not sure why you are calling me sir, I've never been in the military, a school teacher or knighted. Not sure I'd want to be knighted to be fair. why do you want money earmarked for teesport spent in Cumbria and Northumberland ? I want the best economic bang for my teesside buck. That may mean investment outside the county borough of Teesside. I've told you that before I believe." the thing is your in the minority which respite most thing it will be best economic bang for Teesside apart from you I don’t know anyone who’s not over the moon about the huge investment down there I’m sure in Northumberland and Cumbria you’d be very popular tho lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I don't want to get into the argument on this; but if Felixstowe can't cope - why not just have a major port on Teeside? Would UK logistics fall apart if containers didn't enter the country via SE England? Are there any genuinely good reasons why that couldn't be done? Felixstowe is huge and ordinarily can cope. It’s just the unfortunate current circumstances. As for why not Teeside, other than the transport cost increase from the further shipping mileage, no reason really. Teesport as it stands is more than up to the job of handling more freight. The issues are around infrastructure and getting stuff away from the port. Rail and road both need an upgrade." Why not that then? Why not invest in it? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good I don't want to get into the argument on this; but if Felixstowe can't cope - why not just have a major port on Teeside? Would UK logistics fall apart if containers didn't enter the country via SE England? Are there any genuinely good reasons why that couldn't be done? Felixstowe is huge and ordinarily can cope. It’s just the unfortunate current circumstances. As for why not Teeside, other than the transport cost increase from the further shipping mileage, no reason really. Teesport as it stands is more than up to the job of handling more freight. The issues are around infrastructure and getting stuff away from the port. Rail and road both need an upgrade. Why not that then? Why not invest in it?" forst of all I’m not sure if that problem is bigger need than jobs in Teesside right now and also why should the investment of roads in Cumbria and Northumberland come from money earmarked for Teesside should t the people of Cumbria and Northumberland be asking for investment for that ? By the way there is only one man in the teesvally asking for that the other half a million prefer that investment to be spent in there own area isn’t that normal lol | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good " This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity" thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs " You forgot to dough your cap | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs " Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago?" Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated" A thought out and considered post | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated" exactly that some jobs will be relocated but that happens all the time in other industries then there’s new jobs in new industries more importantly green industries company’s are setting up not only for the Freeport but it’s a major factor we have the biggest offshore wind farm of our coast up here and a factory setting up to make the blades ain’t that great for carbon footprint ? Like you say you had a quike search on google pity others don’t do the same | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicatedexactly that some jobs will be relocated but that happens all the time in other industries then there’s new jobs in new industries more importantly green industries company’s are setting up not only for the Freeport but it’s a major factor we have the biggest offshore wind farm of our coast up here and a factory setting up to make the blades ain’t that great for carbon footprint ? Like you say you had a quike search on google pity others don’t do the same " Largest UK wind farms Hornsea Two Offshore Wind Farm Dogger Bank Wind Farm A, B & C Moray West Offshore Wind Farm Sofia Offshore Wind Farm East Anglia Hub Offshore Wind Complex (EA1 North, EA2, EA3) Erebus Floating Offshore Wind Farm Inch Cape Offshore Wind Farm Seagreen Offshore Wind Farm Not sure Dogger bank is just off our coast | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicatedexactly that some jobs will be relocated but that happens all the time in other industries then there’s new jobs in new industries more importantly green industries company’s are setting up not only for the Freeport but it’s a major factor we have the biggest offshore wind farm of our coast up here and a factory setting up to make the blades ain’t that great for carbon footprint ? Like you say you had a quike search on google pity others don’t do the same Largest UK wind farms Hornsea Two Offshore Wind Farm Dogger Bank Wind Farm A, B & C Moray West Offshore Wind Farm Sofia Offshore Wind Farm East Anglia Hub Offshore Wind Complex (EA1 North, EA2, EA3) Erebus Floating Offshore Wind Farm Inch Cape Offshore Wind Farm Seagreen Offshore Wind Farm Not sure Dogger bank is just off our coast "no it’s not I didn’t say it was hornsea is tho just of the Yorkshire coast in the Humber region | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicatedexactly that some jobs will be relocated but that happens all the time in other industries then there’s new jobs in new industries more importantly green industries company’s are setting up not only for the Freeport but it’s a major factor we have the biggest offshore wind farm of our coast up here and a factory setting up to make the blades ain’t that great for carbon footprint ? Like you say you had a quike search on google pity others don’t do the same " So no problem if lots of money is spent and tax income lost to relocate jobs? As lo g as those jobs are closer to you and someone else suffers the loss? Why do you need a freeport if the infrastructure exists to provide an advantage anyway? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated" That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicatedexactly that some jobs will be relocated but that happens all the time in other industries then there’s new jobs in new industries more importantly green industries company’s are setting up not only for the Freeport but it’s a major factor we have the biggest offshore wind farm of our coast up here and a factory setting up to make the blades ain’t that great for carbon footprint ? Like you say you had a quike search on google pity others don’t do the same Largest UK wind farms Hornsea Two Offshore Wind Farm Dogger Bank Wind Farm A, B & C Moray West Offshore Wind Farm Sofia Offshore Wind Farm East Anglia Hub Offshore Wind Complex (EA1 North, EA2, EA3) Erebus Floating Offshore Wind Farm Inch Cape Offshore Wind Farm Seagreen Offshore Wind Farm Not sure Dogger bank is just off our coast no it’s not I didn’t say it was hornsea is tho just of the Yorkshire coast in the Humber region "So, as you would put it, why do you want to see investment in Humberside? | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicatedexactly that some jobs will be relocated but that happens all the time in other industries then there’s new jobs in new industries more importantly green industries company’s are setting up not only for the Freeport but it’s a major factor we have the biggest offshore wind farm of our coast up here and a factory setting up to make the blades ain’t that great for carbon footprint ? Like you say you had a quike search on google pity others don’t do the same Largest UK wind farms Hornsea Two Offshore Wind Farm Dogger Bank Wind Farm A, B & C Moray West Offshore Wind Farm Sofia Offshore Wind Farm East Anglia Hub Offshore Wind Complex (EA1 North, EA2, EA3) Erebus Floating Offshore Wind Farm Inch Cape Offshore Wind Farm Seagreen Offshore Wind Farm Not sure Dogger bank is just off our coast no it’s not I didn’t say it was hornsea is tho just of the Yorkshire coast in the Humber region
So, as you would put it, why do you want to see investment in Humberside?"no mate the thread is about the investment in Teesside the nee factory that’s making blades is down at teesport as you well know your constantly looking for negatives about teesport it’s sad as you well know the people of teeside need this investment and jobs more than most it sounds like you begrudge that | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicatedexactly that some jobs will be relocated but that happens all the time in other industries then there’s new jobs in new industries more importantly green industries company’s are setting up not only for the Freeport but it’s a major factor we have the biggest offshore wind farm of our coast up here and a factory setting up to make the blades ain’t that great for carbon footprint ? Like you say you had a quike search on google pity others don’t do the same So no problem if lots of money is spent and tax income lost to relocate jobs? As lo g as those jobs are closer to you and someone else suffers the loss? Why do you need a freeport if the infrastructure exists to provide an advantage anyway?" the majority wil be nee jobs ofcoarse some will be relocated like any industries it’s life look at the government jobs going to Darlington some relocated from London some nee it’s a nice change from them always going to London don’t you think | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicatedexactly that some jobs will be relocated but that happens all the time in other industries then there’s new jobs in new industries more importantly green industries company’s are setting up not only for the Freeport but it’s a major factor we have the biggest offshore wind farm of our coast up here and a factory setting up to make the blades ain’t that great for carbon footprint ? Like you say you had a quike search on google pity others don’t do the same So no problem if lots of money is spent and tax income lost to relocate jobs? As lo g as those jobs are closer to you and someone else suffers the loss? Why do you need a freeport if the infrastructure exists to provide an advantage anyway?the majority wil be nee jobs ofcoarse some will be relocated like any industries it’s life look at the government jobs going to Darlington some relocated from London some nee it’s a nice change from them always going to London don’t you think " Why "of course"? There is no sfudy to indictate that, is there? It's not "life" if jobs are relocated artificially. That's a policy to deliberately cause hardship to some people and benefit to others. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics." Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual" I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available... | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available..." I don’t think it’s solely down to the free port but they did say it was a factor you keep going on about jobs been relocated but at best it’s guess work for now but it opens this month so you will soon find out | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available...I don’t think it’s solely down to the free port but they did say it was a factor you keep going on about jobs been relocated but at best it’s guess work for now but it opens this month so you will soon find out " Hang on. You went on and on about 18000 jobs. Are you now saying that's a guess? Because if you are, that's a massive climb down. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available...I don’t think it’s solely down to the free port but they did say it was a factor you keep going on about jobs been relocated but at best it’s guess work for now but it opens this month so you will soon find out " So, you're hoping. That's all. "They" say? Really? Who's they? Did "they" actually sY anything or was it inferred? Did the newspaper actually quote "them" or was it an assumption? Does it matter to you if someone loses a job somewhere else to gain one in Teeside? That this is being done deliberately. Knowing that some poor bugger somewhere will lose a job because the government wants to gain votes where you live. | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol" You are choosing to respond to what is easy. That is claim that not supporting magical thinking is "wanting failure". Get a grip. You have literally written that you do not know if any of this will be positive. You have said that you are fine with a deliberate policy that is likely (based on experience) to lead to the loss of jobs in one area to the benefit of another. What should be boggling your brain is that you're choosing to believe that tens of thousands of jobs and a huge amount of economic benefit will come from this, but you ha e nothing but press releases to indictate this. Is there an independent or even paid for and biased report that you can find that indicates to you that this is true? Considering that this particular Government and Primme Minister lie regularly and shamelessly as a matter of course, what information do you have that this is anything more than politics? Knowing that they defend MPs breaking rules to lobby for the private companies for personal gain. There's nothing wrong with wanting the place where you live to do well. However, this is belief. Wby are newspaper articles and statements from the local Mayor based on reports that you cannot see more reliable than those from the independent OBR? Why were UK freeports closed a decade ago but are a good idea now? What are the changes that make them better? Why can't the infrastructure spending happen without cutting company taxes if Teeside is a good place to be anyway because of power generation? You are choosing not to answer these questions because the answers are contradictory and don't actually make sense. There will be benefits from all of this, but due to the massive government spending that don't require a freeport and setting one area against another. They just require giving a crap beyond a short term desire for votes and planning strategically rather than magically. | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol" Is anything that's predicted in the future a guess? Suggest you take that up with your insurance company, who spend millions on statisticians to work out the probability of something happening. It's called "science". When you can provide some information to back up your case, great. | |||
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"Ok I can’t understand that you don’t know that relocating of jobs goes on since the beginning of time you seem not to know this but anyway I’m a bit pissed nore" Is being pissed what allows you to skip the thinking when it requires some effort? "Since the beginning of time" did Governments plan policy that they knew would artificially have a negative effect in one area so as to improve another area? When was this last done on purpose? | |||
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"Ok I can’t understand that you don’t know that relocating of jobs goes on since the beginning of time you seem not to know this but anyway I’m a bit pissed nore" Oh, I see what you did there
You have tried to make a complicated answer which requires some thought and research and effort to justify a simple answer to one point.
Good effort
Ultimately, you are just choosing to believe what suits you because you hope the outcome will be positive for where you live and don't care what the wider consequences are because they are felt somewhere else.
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol" My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.' | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available..." It seems the free port status has played a large part of the decision to invest in the region. We don't have results as yet due to only just opening so all predictions whether positive or negative or some where in the middle remain just predictions. The tax thing would depend on what happens to their products. This is another thing I did not appreciate about the scheme. I wrongly assumed the companies in these free ports did not have to pay import duty at all. It turns out that this would be the case if the things they import do not cross into the rest of the uk. So if they import something, change/add value to it and then ship it straight to an overseas customer then they don't pay the import tax. If the customer is in the UK then they are charged the import tax. A company can import goods and store them in the free port area (hence the warehouses) and only pay the duty when they definitely need the goods/ sold the goods. I guess this is why the likes of Nissan may be considering it. They say it helps cash flow though I'm not into company accounts so no idea if true or not. I'm pretty sure I have only scratched the surface and there could indeed be pitfalls. I will be interested to see how it compares to the thousands of other free ports around the world and what can be learnt from them if it struggles | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available... It seems the free port status has played a large part of the decision to invest in the region. We don't have results as yet due to only just opening so all predictions whether positive or negative or some where in the middle remain just predictions. The tax thing would depend on what happens to their products. This is another thing I did not appreciate about the scheme. I wrongly assumed the companies in these free ports did not have to pay import duty at all. It turns out that this would be the case if the things they import do not cross into the rest of the uk. So if they import something, change/add value to it and then ship it straight to an overseas customer then they don't pay the import tax. If the customer is in the UK then they are charged the import tax. A company can import goods and store them in the free port area (hence the warehouses) and only pay the duty when they definitely need the goods/ sold the goods. I guess this is why the likes of Nissan may be considering it. They say it helps cash flow though I'm not into company accounts so no idea if true or not. I'm pretty sure I have only scratched the surface and there could indeed be pitfalls. I will be interested to see how it compares to the thousands of other free ports around the world and what can be learnt from them if it struggles" There's a somewhat circular argument at the start of this. If an area requires investment, then it should be invested in. A freeport is not required. Create a proper national strategy and do the hard work rather than wave a wand and proclaim that a scheme that has failed before will magically solve everything because some, unspecified, options are slightly different to previously. I think that you have now spent far more time than the OP looming into this. Have you found the study that his numbers and all of the press releases come from? I can find nothing. If there was any clear evidence that hundreds of millions should be spent on this, I'd want it out there. Lots of big headlines though. The OBR data that concludes a minimal effect is easy to find though... | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available... It seems the free port status has played a large part of the decision to invest in the region. We don't have results as yet due to only just opening so all predictions whether positive or negative or some where in the middle remain just predictions. The tax thing would depend on what happens to their products. This is another thing I did not appreciate about the scheme. I wrongly assumed the companies in these free ports did not have to pay import duty at all. It turns out that this would be the case if the things they import do not cross into the rest of the uk. So if they import something, change/add value to it and then ship it straight to an overseas customer then they don't pay the import tax. If the customer is in the UK then they are charged the import tax. A company can import goods and store them in the free port area (hence the warehouses) and only pay the duty when they definitely need the goods/ sold the goods. I guess this is why the likes of Nissan may be considering it. They say it helps cash flow though I'm not into company accounts so no idea if true or not. I'm pretty sure I have only scratched the surface and there could indeed be pitfalls. I will be interested to see how it compares to the thousands of other free ports around the world and what can be learnt from them if it struggles There's a somewhat circular argument at the start of this. If an area requires investment, then it should be invested in. A freeport is not required. Create a proper national strategy and do the hard work rather than wave a wand and proclaim that a scheme that has failed before will magically solve everything because some, unspecified, options are slightly different to previously. I think that you have now spent far more time than the OP looming into this. Have you found the study that his numbers and all of the press releases come from? I can find nothing. If there was any clear evidence that hundreds of millions should be spent on this, I'd want it out there. Lots of big headlines though. The OBR data that concludes a minimal effect is easy to find though..." if you don’t think the Freeport’s are a good thing and work why is there so many of them around the world all these company’s that are setting up down there ahave got it wrong and your right again | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'" I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available... It seems the free port status has played a large part of the decision to invest in the region. We don't have results as yet due to only just opening so all predictions whether positive or negative or some where in the middle remain just predictions. The tax thing would depend on what happens to their products. This is another thing I did not appreciate about the scheme. I wrongly assumed the companies in these free ports did not have to pay import duty at all. It turns out that this would be the case if the things they import do not cross into the rest of the uk. So if they import something, change/add value to it and then ship it straight to an overseas customer then they don't pay the import tax. If the customer is in the UK then they are charged the import tax. A company can import goods and store them in the free port area (hence the warehouses) and only pay the duty when they definitely need the goods/ sold the goods. I guess this is why the likes of Nissan may be considering it. They say it helps cash flow though I'm not into company accounts so no idea if true or not. I'm pretty sure I have only scratched the surface and there could indeed be pitfalls. I will be interested to see how it compares to the thousands of other free ports around the world and what can be learnt from them if it struggles There's a somewhat circular argument at the start of this. If an area requires investment, then it should be invested in. A freeport is not required. Create a proper national strategy and do the hard work rather than wave a wand and proclaim that a scheme that has failed before will magically solve everything because some, unspecified, options are slightly different to previously. I think that you have now spent far more time than the OP looming into this. Have you found the study that his numbers and all of the press releases come from? I can find nothing. If there was any clear evidence that hundreds of millions should be spent on this, I'd want it out there. Lots of big headlines though. The OBR data that concludes a minimal effect is easy to find though...if you don’t think the Freeport’s are a good thing and work why is there so many of them around the world all these company’s that are setting up down there ahave got it wrong and your right again " They have their uses depending on the level of national development and tax regimes. 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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside " What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to. | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to." what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it " That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/ | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/" and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ???" You've made it quite clear that you want the Freeport to take in jobs from other regions, you've also made it clear you object to spending in other regions, even if it benefits teesside | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? You've made it quite clear that you want the Freeport to take in jobs from other regions, you've also made it clear you object to spending in other regions, even if it benefits teesside"  where have I said I want to take jobs from other regions ? And your second point about spending in other regions is what you wanted the money that’s going to be invested in teesport to be spent in Cumbria and Northumberland on dual carriageways mate yes I don’t want the money that’s earmarked for teesport to be spent elsewhere why would I who in there right mind would surely that’s for the councils in Cumbria and Northumberland to sort out lol | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? You've made it quite clear that you want the Freeport to take in jobs from other regions, you've also made it clear you object to spending in other regions, even if it benefits teesside where have I said I want to take jobs from other regions ? And your second point about spending in other regions is what you wanted the money that’s going to be invested in teesport to be spent in Cumbria and Northumberland on dual carriageways mate yes I don’t want the money that’s earmarked for teesport to be spent elsewhere why would I who in there right mind would surely that’s for the councils in Cumbria and Northumberland to sort out lol"When it was pointed out to you repeatedly, that Freeports simply take jobs from other regions, you either ignored, didn't understand it or just shrugged your shoulders. When pointed out that a better return on investment can be achieved for teesside by spending in Durham, north York's or Cumbria, you again missed the point completely. You'd have to be out of your mind to not want the best for teesside, to borrow your phrase. In case you weren't aware of it, spending on the national road network is not council decision, it comes from central government. Happy to help. | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? You've made it quite clear that you want the Freeport to take in jobs from other regions, you've also made it clear you object to spending in other regions, even if it benefits teesside where have I said I want to take jobs from other regions ? And your second point about spending in other regions is what you wanted the money that’s going to be invested in teesport to be spent in Cumbria and Northumberland on dual carriageways mate yes I don’t want the money that’s earmarked for teesport to be spent elsewhere why would I who in there right mind would surely that’s for the councils in Cumbria and Northumberland to sort out lol
When it was pointed out to you repeatedly, that Freeports simply take jobs from other regions, you either ignored, didn't understand it or just shrugged your shoulders.
When pointed out that a better return on investment can be achieved for teesside by spending in Durham, north York's or Cumbria, you again missed the point completely.
You'd have to be out of your mind to not want the best for teesside, to borrow your phrase.
In case you weren't aware of it, spending on the national road network is not council decision, it comes from central government.
Happy to help."it seems that you don’t understand that jobs will be created down there with all the new company’s some jobs may be relocated don’t company’s ever relocate for there best interests then or is it only Teesside ? ok central government well done you’ve educated me great so why do you want money to go from investment in Teesside to roads in other regions hasn’t the a66and a19 been a problem for decades under both governments why do you want money earmarked for Teesside to go there does anyone else on this thread think that money to be spent creating jobs in teeside should be diverted to other regions for roads don’t we have road tax for that how about we divert it to hs2 or Heathrow why stop there ? | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? You've made it quite clear that you want the Freeport to take in jobs from other regions, you've also made it clear you object to spending in other regions, even if it benefits teesside where have I said I want to take jobs from other regions ? And your second point about spending in other regions is what you wanted the money that’s going to be invested in teesport to be spent in Cumbria and Northumberland on dual carriageways mate yes I don’t want the money that’s earmarked for teesport to be spent elsewhere why would I who in there right mind would surely that’s for the councils in Cumbria and Northumberland to sort out lol
When it was pointed out to you repeatedly, that Freeports simply take jobs from other regions, you either ignored, didn't understand it or just shrugged your shoulders.
When pointed out that a better return on investment can be achieved for teesside by spending in Durham, north York's or Cumbria, you again missed the point completely.
You'd have to be out of your mind to not want the best for teesside, to borrow your phrase.
In case you weren't aware of it, spending on the national road network is not council decision, it comes from central government.
Happy to help. it seems that you don’t understand that jobs will be created down there with all the new company’s some jobs may be relocated don’t company’s ever relocate for there best interests then or is it only Teesside ? ok central government well done you’ve educated me great so why do you want money to go from investment in Teesside to roads in other regions hasn’t the a66and a19 been a problem for decades under both governments why do you want money earmarked for Teesside to go there does anyone else on this thread think that money to be spent creating jobs in teeside should be diverted to other regions for roads don’t we have road tax for that how about we divert it to hs2 or Heathrow why stop there ?"If a company relocates from say Cheshire to the Freeport no new trade is created, no new money is created, the tax take goes down, teesside is worse off as a result. Road tax doesn't pay for road expenditure, same as NI doesn't pay for the NHS or pensions. If there was a financial case for HS2 or Heathrow that could demonstrate a benefit to Teesside I'd at least compare it to the financial case for the Freeport, but there isn't one. Is that clear? | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? You've made it quite clear that you want the Freeport to take in jobs from other regions, you've also made it clear you object to spending in other regions, even if it benefits teesside where have I said I want to take jobs from other regions ? And your second point about spending in other regions is what you wanted the money that’s going to be invested in teesport to be spent in Cumbria and Northumberland on dual carriageways mate yes I don’t want the money that’s earmarked for teesport to be spent elsewhere why would I who in there right mind would surely that’s for the councils in Cumbria and Northumberland to sort out lol
When it was pointed out to you repeatedly, that Freeports simply take jobs from other regions, you either ignored, didn't understand it or just shrugged your shoulders.
When pointed out that a better return on investment can be achieved for teesside by spending in Durham, north York's or Cumbria, you again missed the point completely.
You'd have to be out of your mind to not want the best for teesside, to borrow your phrase.
In case you weren't aware of it, spending on the national road network is not council decision, it comes from central government.
Happy to help. it seems that you don’t understand that jobs will be created down there with all the new company’s some jobs may be relocated don’t company’s ever relocate for there best interests then or is it only Teesside ? ok central government well done you’ve educated me great so why do you want money to go from investment in Teesside to roads in other regions hasn’t the a66and a19 been a problem for decades under both governments why do you want money earmarked for Teesside to go there does anyone else on this thread think that money to be spent creating jobs in teeside should be diverted to other regions for roads don’t we have road tax for that how about we divert it to hs2 or Heathrow why stop there ?
If a company relocates from say Cheshire to the Freeport no new trade is created, no new money is created, the tax take goes down, teesside is worse off as a result.
Road tax doesn't pay for road expenditure, same as NI doesn't pay for the NHS or pensions.
If there was a financial case for HS2 or Heathrow that could demonstrate a benefit to Teesside I'd at least compare it to the financial case for the Freeport, but there isn't one.
Is that clear?
"id of thought if a company relocated to anywhere there would of been a financial reason behind it and they would expect more trade to come from that otherwise not much point in all the expense of moving and can you educate me more on why you think spending money on roads outsode our region is better spent that on teeside creating jobs because to be honest I’m lost in that one why roads in Cumbria and Northumberland is the problem of Teesside and why it’s more important to you than local jobs ?? | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ???" No, I am looking at what information is actu | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? You've made it quite clear that you want the Freeport to take in jobs from other regions, you've also made it clear you object to spending in other regions, even if it benefits teesside where have I said I want to take jobs from other regions ? And your second point about spending in other regions is what you wanted the money that’s going to be invested in teesport to be spent in Cumbria and Northumberland on dual carriageways mate yes I don’t want the money that’s earmarked for teesport to be spent elsewhere why would I who in there right mind would surely that’s for the councils in Cumbria and Northumberland to sort out lol
When it was pointed out to you repeatedly, that Freeports simply take jobs from other regions, you either ignored, didn't understand it or just shrugged your shoulders.
When pointed out that a better return on investment can be achieved for teesside by spending in Durham, north York's or Cumbria, you again missed the point completely.
You'd have to be out of your mind to not want the best for teesside, to borrow your phrase.
In case you weren't aware of it, spending on the national road network is not council decision, it comes from central government.
Happy to help. it seems that you don’t understand that jobs will be created down there with all the new company’s some jobs may be relocated don’t company’s ever relocate for there best interests then or is it only Teesside ? ok central government well done you’ve educated me great so why do you want money to go from investment in Teesside to roads in other regions hasn’t the a66and a19 been a problem for decades under both governments why do you want money earmarked for Teesside to go there does anyone else on this thread think that money to be spent creating jobs in teeside should be diverted to other regions for roads don’t we have road tax for that how about we divert it to hs2 or Heathrow why stop there ?
If a company relocates from say Cheshire to the Freeport no new trade is created, no new money is created, the tax take goes down, teesside is worse off as a result.
Road tax doesn't pay for road expenditure, same as NI doesn't pay for the NHS or pensions.
If there was a financial case for HS2 or Heathrow that could demonstrate a benefit to Teesside I'd at least compare it to the financial case for the Freeport, but there isn't one.
Is that clear?
id of thought if a company relocated to anywhere there would of been a financial reason behind it and they would expect more trade to come from that otherwise not much point in all the expense of moving and can you educate me more on why you think spending money on roads outsode our region is better spent that on teeside creating jobs because to be honest I’m lost in that one why roads in Cumbria and Northumberland is the problem of Teesside and why it’s more important to you than local jobs ?? "When a company relocates the costs are tax deductible. They will pay less tax. So even if they have no more trade, the company is better off. Trade has nothing to do with relocation, or at best, very little when it's to a lower tax regime. Teesside has three major road links, A1, A19 and A66. If those do not flow freely then teesside is hit. It doesn't matter if the blockage is in Carlisle or Morpeth, if those are pinched off we suffer. | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ???" No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right? | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?" so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ?" I and others have told you this before. There is no demonstrable benefits from Freeport's in the UK, that's the OBR statement. If you are trying to compare teesside with Singapore or similar then you are comparing two very different economic environments Perhaps if the government had invested in economic development, then regions wouldn't be so desperate from scraps from the table ( again I've told you that before ) I want the money spent where it can do the most benefit for teesside, I don't care where that is. Why don't you? | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ?" You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you? | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you?" a facility that know one can get to I’ll forgive you for that as you have t a clue about Teesside and your basing that on another persons post take a leaf out of your own book and do your research mate apart from the roads and rail that go to tee sport there’s even an airport less that 20 miles away that deals in frieght and passengers so that’s sea air Rail and roads now apart from space I’d say teesport is ok in that department the roads someone else on here keeps talking about well one is in Cumbria the other Northumberland I’m fucked if I know how that will benefit teeside more than teesport | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you? a facility that know one can get to I’ll forgive you for that as you have t a clue about Teesside and your basing that on another persons post take a leaf out of your own book and do your research mate apart from the roads and rail that go to tee sport there’s even an airport less that 20 miles away that deals in frieght and passengers so that’s sea air Rail and roads now apart from space I’d say teesport is ok in that department the roads someone else on here keeps talking about well one is in Cumbria the other Northumberland I’m fucked if I know how that will benefit teeside more than teesport " Rail to Teesport is not electrified Road to Teesport is on dual carriageway I completely understand you can't comprehend what the impact of a single carriageway A66 are. You just keep saying the same things again and again, can't provide evidence to substantiate your argument and then try to bait the people who give you actual information. Cringeworthy | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you? a facility that know one can get to I’ll forgive you for that as you have t a clue about Teesside and your basing that on another persons post take a leaf out of your own book and do your research mate apart from the roads and rail that go to tee sport there’s even an airport less that 20 miles away that deals in frieght and passengers so that’s sea air Rail and roads now apart from space I’d say teesport is ok in that department the roads someone else on here keeps talking about well one is in Cumbria the other Northumberland I’m fucked if I know how that will benefit teeside more than teesport Rail to Teesport is not electrified Road to Teesport is on dual carriageway I completely understand you can't comprehend what the impact of a single carriageway A66 are. You just keep saying the same things again and again, can't provide evidence to substantiate your argument and then try to bait the people who give you actual information. Cringeworthy" There's no need for rail to Teesport to be electrified, as very few freight trains in the UK use electric traction, and certainly none on the eastern side of the country. | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you? a facility that know one can get to I’ll forgive you for that as you have t a clue about Teesside and your basing that on another persons post take a leaf out of your own book and do your research mate apart from the roads and rail that go to tee sport there’s even an airport less that 20 miles away that deals in frieght and passengers so that’s sea air Rail and roads now apart from space I’d say teesport is ok in that department the roads someone else on here keeps talking about well one is in Cumbria the other Northumberland I’m fucked if I know how that will benefit teeside more than teesport Rail to Teesport is not electrified Road to Teesport is on dual carriageway I completely understand you can't comprehend what the impact of a single carriageway A66 are. You just keep saying the same things again and again, can't provide evidence to substantiate your argument and then try to bait the people who give you actual information. Cringeworthy There's no need for rail to Teesport to be electrified, as very few freight trains in the UK use electric traction, and certainly none on the eastern side of the country. " Electrified trains acceleration is better, which means the passenger trains can clear the lines faster. Also means that the larger passenger trains can use the lines more effectively, and if teesport is all about being green... | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you? a facility that know one can get to I’ll forgive you for that as you have t a clue about Teesside and your basing that on another persons post take a leaf out of your own book and do your research mate apart from the roads and rail that go to tee sport there’s even an airport less that 20 miles away that deals in frieght and passengers so that’s sea air Rail and roads now apart from space I’d say teesport is ok in that department the roads someone else on here keeps talking about well one is in Cumbria the other Northumberland I’m fucked if I know how that will benefit teeside more than teesport " It is A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE to illustrate how spending in one area can benefit another. As you requested
Good dodge though. Again.
If all of your demands have now been met, how about you have the courtesy of answering the simple ones addressed to you?
Where is the actual study that tells you how great this freeport will be?
Why do you believe this, but nothing else from the Government?
Why were previous UK freeports closed but now they will create huge numbers of jobs and financial growth?
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you? a facility that know one can get to I’ll forgive you for that as you have t a clue about Teesside and your basing that on another persons post take a leaf out of your own book and do your research mate apart from the roads and rail that go to tee sport there’s even an airport less that 20 miles away that deals in frieght and passengers so that’s sea air Rail and roads now apart from space I’d say teesport is ok in that department the roads someone else on here keeps talking about well one is in Cumbria the other Northumberland I’m fucked if I know how that will benefit teeside more than teesport Rail to Teesport is not electrified Road to Teesport is on dual carriageway I completely understand you can't comprehend what the impact of a single carriageway A66 are. You just keep saying the same things again and again, can't provide evidence to substantiate your argument and then try to bait the people who give you actual information. Cringeworthy There's no need for rail to Teesport to be electrified, as very few freight trains in the UK use electric traction, and certainly none on the eastern side of the country. " exactly that mate he also doesn’t know the A174 and A66 both dual carriageway and they don’t use large passenger trains to Redcar I’m not sure the guy as even been to teesport he’s just upset about brexit so looking for the negatives true to form | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you? a facility that know one can get to I’ll forgive you for that as you have t a clue about Teesside and your basing that on another persons post take a leaf out of your own book and do your research mate apart from the roads and rail that go to tee sport there’s even an airport less that 20 miles away that deals in frieght and passengers so that’s sea air Rail and roads now apart from space I’d say teesport is ok in that department the roads someone else on here keeps talking about well one is in Cumbria the other Northumberland I’m fucked if I know how that will benefit teeside more than teesport Rail to Teesport is not electrified Road to Teesport is on dual carriageway I completely understand you can't comprehend what the impact of a single carriageway A66 are. You just keep saying the same things again and again, can't provide evidence to substantiate your argument and then try to bait the people who give you actual information. Cringeworthy There's no need for rail to Teesport to be electrified, as very few freight trains in the UK use electric traction, and certainly none on the eastern side of the country. exactly that mate he also doesn’t know the A174 and A66 both dual carriageway and they don’t use large passenger trains to Redcar I’m not sure the guy as even been to teesport he’s just upset about brexit so looking for the negatives true to form " another personal attack rather than addressing the issues, I've been to Teessport. I stated above that the A66 and A19 are dualled, the A174 is partially dualled. Electrification - refer to the above The large trains to redcar is a red herring, but nice if they could, especially when you consider you can get a train from redcar to manchester | |||
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"Lmfaooo omfg you two are really wired is anything that’s predicted in the future a guess or is it a fact the pair of yous are hoping for a fail to prove your narrative which is brexit is bad atleast I can understand east but the lad who wants money diverted from teeside to Cumbria and nirthumberland boggles my Brain unless any of you two can predict the future nothing you say is any thing other than a guess ment easy not east lol My first post on this thread, but you have never been able to accept that it's possible to want a positive outcome but expect to see some reasoning before committing money and not wanting to screw someone else over for your own benefit: 'Great, if all these jobs and investment comes and are not at the cost of a loss somewhere else. It is not a new idea. Why were they closed less than 10 years ago in 2012? I cannot actually identify a study that explains how this is calculated. Have you found anything beyond news items with unsourced figures? Should the government pay for things that are based on over-optimistic projections? Is HS2 or Heathrow expansion a good idea, for instance? Lots of jobs and welcome benefits projected but do they seem credible? Before being outraged at my "negativity" read my opening paragraph again.'I don’t know much about heathrow mate but I’d guess if a new runways needed then it should be built and iv always said hs2 is a joke 140 billion to save 25 minutes from Leeds to London is a waste of money but I don’t know what it as to do with a freeport In Teesside What do you "know" about the freeports? Nothing explained so far. Same Government and press feeding you the data,but you choose to believe one story but not another. You choose to.what don’t I.believe you’ve lost me there mate ? I don’t know why they where cancelled 10years ago tell me why ? can you tell me if there’s only a small benefit why there are thousands around the world ? You keep talking about choosing to believe but every bit of information is choosing or not to believe in isn’t it That's the whole point. You don't know but you are choosing to believe our Government on this matter but not others. I keep asking because having started claiming an unambiguous benefit you are now saying wait and see until some unspecified point in the future, but you cannot say why you think the outcome will be positive. You also do not care about the consequences to others or if this extra expenditure brings no net benefit to the country as long as it benefits where you live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freeports-office-budget-responsibility-sunak-b1946497.html https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8823/ The Mayor of Tees Valley is, at least honest in that he only cares about Teeside and not the consequences elsewhere and he "believes" he's right: “...if I’m being brutally honest, as a parochial regional mayor, even if I’m wrong, I don’t care – because it ultimately means more jobs for Teesside. “If those jobs are being relocated or moving from Birmingham, Manchester or Scotland – it doesn’t matter to me. “My job is to create jobs for Teesside.” The mayor added that the “proof would be in the pudding” but believed the OBR would be “proven wrong”. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19682003.questions-raised-boost-teessides-freeport-bring/and that’s your own point you don’t know your choosing to believe what you want we all choose but you want everyone to choose same as you lol and that’s why he was voted in isn’t that why people vote in a mayor to do the best for there region for gods sake and where have I said I don’t care about people from other regions ??? No, I am looking at what information is actually available. OBR,for which the data is available and your mayor's comments vs some numbers on employment and financial benefit with no associated report. I choose the data I can interrogate. You choose isolated numbers. You just refuse to address the fact that the available information indicates that jobs are likely to be lost in one place for Teeside's benefit or that all of this money could be spent with no overall financial benefit. It's just beggar my neighbour. Is that OK? If it is true in 10 years (as the available information suggests) do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well? Do we just spend money and pull jobs from one place to another? The conclusion of this logic is that all businesses everywhere should get special tax treatment and massive infrastructure spending, right?so your saying it’s a waste of money then and no jobs will be created and Teesside won’t be better if for it ?so why did other regions fight for a Freeport then why is there 3500 across the world if there not beneficial or do you think the money been invested down there should be stopped and spent in the A19 and A66 in other regions rather than Teesside why do you think Teesside doesn’t need jobs and investment ? You still don't address the awkward questions. Because they're awkward I guess. Read your original post. Unambiguous good news from that perspective. Now that you have all of this additional information and have also not found any data to back up the positi e numbers other than it being repeated multiple times, is it still unambiguous good news for the UK? Why apply? There is still a share of £175m grants. Worth doing regardless, and as your mayor implied they are out for what they can get for themselves. I have tried to explain that freeports work in other parts of the world due to specific tax regimes and relative development. Surely the ones that were closed here are a more pertinent reference. Any explanation for them working now and not before? Spend the money where it's needed to benefit the most people nationally. Account for where there is inequality in that. It may be better for an area if money is spent somewhere else on the road or rail to get there rather than on a facility that nobody can get to. However, if you know that it will cause harm to others and that there there is a good chance of there being no overall gain, then why would you? a facility that know one can get to I’ll forgive you for that as you have t a clue about Teesside and your basing that on another persons post take a leaf out of your own book and do your research mate apart from the roads and rail that go to tee sport there’s even an airport less that 20 miles away that deals in frieght and passengers so that’s sea air Rail and roads now apart from space I’d say teesport is ok in that department the roads someone else on here keeps talking about well one is in Cumbria the other Northumberland I’m fucked if I know how that will benefit teeside more than teesport Rail to Teesport is not electrified Road to Teesport is on dual carriageway I completely understand you can't comprehend what the impact of a single carriageway A66 are. You just keep saying the same things again and again, can't provide evidence to substantiate your argument and then try to bait the people who give you actual information. Cringeworthy There's no need for rail to Teesport to be electrified, as very few freight trains in the UK use electric traction, and certainly none on the eastern side of the country. exactly that mate he also doesn’t know the A174 and A66 both dual carriageway and they don’t use large passenger trains to Redcar I’m not sure the guy as even been to teesport he’s just upset about brexit so looking for the negatives true to form another personal attack rather than addressing the issues, I've been to Teessport. I stated above that the A66 and A19 are dualled, the A174 is partially dualled. Electrification - refer to the above The large trains to redcar is a red herring, but nice if they could, especially when you consider you can get a train from redcar to manchester " the A174 is dualled all the way to the A19 mate iv been to teesport hindreds of times the wife used to work there nothing wrong with the road system that’s your red herring access to and from yer sport is good roads rail air and sea tees port is the only major port that exports more than it imports in the U.K. | |||
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"Teessides Freeport to open November 18000 jobs over 5 years and 3billion into the economy low tax zones for port of Hartlepool Teesside airport it’s looking good This Freeport scheme does sound promising. Had a quick read of it (very quick) as its more in depth than I first thought. I did see an article from earlier this year about the possibility of an EU manufacturer moving to the area due to this Freeport but it did not say who it was or if it is going ahead still. Also possibly Nissan moving their logistics to use the Freeport. As others have mentioned the UK had free ports up until 2012 but the legislation lapsed and not renewed. However it seems free ports we had then we're not as advantageous as these new ones due to certain past restrictions. Anyway I'm sure there is much more to it but well done Teesside for grasping the opportunity thank you so much for that post I’m sure you well know that Teesside as been overlooked for decades from all governments it’s well overdue for some good luck don’t be fooled by some of the posts on here almost everyone up here welcomes the investment and more importantly the jobs Is it still good news if it means that jobs are lost somewhere else? Do you have a theory as to why freeports are a good idea now but were closed down a decade ago? Not totally sure if asking me or young foxy. I very quickly read a couple of articles on it as did not know the situation. As many things before something happens there are estimates of job creation/losses and in the end you have to wait to see the outcome as rarely very accurate. The reports do mention both jobs relocating and new jobs. I suppose the relocating ones could be seen as the levelling up but I do understand your concern. Again the the reports mention companies from abroad using it but did not find the details. I have read that the free ports we used to have did not have the same amount of freedoms these ones have. I assumed they were all the same but apparently this is not the case. I seem to recall the SNP are doing a rival sums in Scotland using the same rules (I think) but more focus on green companies. Please note I have only done a very very quick look and sure its far more in depth and complicated That's rather the point. Money will be spent and taxes forgone for a possible benefit which previous experience (globally) indicates is marginal at best under very specific circumstances. You'd think the details would be written large ans easy to find if they were at all clear. The OBR sees no particular benefit. More politics than economics. Just to be clear, when I said I just had a very quick look at the subject I was not saying its an easy subject to understand but I simply do not have the free time to look into it for long periods at a time. I still feel we will not know the effects for a while and take predictions as just that. I have subsequently discovered that there are 3500 of these around the world so wonder if they are all bad and the respective governments have it wrong. It seems that when area's put in their bids to have these free ports they had to show that their model would minimise economic displacement especially from other deprived area's. Also the focus is to be attracting new investment such as the DP world, GE renewable energy, Siemens ect ect. This is acknowledged also by the OBR. Monitoring and evaluation to be carried out to check progress. Can't so far see what happens if they fall foul of this. Anyway yes politics heavily involved as usual I'm not expecting you to do all the work! Fhe point is more that the results of this are ambiguous at best. Also, are GE building a factory because of the freeport or just locating it there to take the opportunity not to pay the taxes? We don't actually know. Certainly no clue if any of the numbers are real because the calculations are not available... It seems the free port status has played a large part of the decision to invest in the region. We don't have results as yet due to only just opening so all predictions whether positive or negative or some where in the middle remain just predictions. The tax thing would depend on what happens to their products. This is another thing I did not appreciate about the scheme. I wrongly assumed the companies in these free ports did not have to pay import duty at all. It turns out that this would be the case if the things they import do not cross into the rest of the uk. So if they import something, change/add value to it and then ship it straight to an overseas customer then they don't pay the import tax. If the customer is in the UK then they are charged the import tax. A company can import goods and store them in the free port area (hence the warehouses) and only pay the duty when they definitely need the goods/ sold the goods. I guess this is why the likes of Nissan may be considering it. They say it helps cash flow though I'm not into company accounts so no idea if true or not. I'm pretty sure I have only scratched the surface and there could indeed be pitfalls. I will be interested to see how it compares to the thousands of other free ports around the world and what can be learnt from them if it struggles There's a somewhat circular argument at the start of this. If an area requires investment, then it should be invested in. A freeport is not required. Create a proper national strategy and do the hard work rather than wave a wand and proclaim that a scheme that has failed before will magically solve everything because some, unspecified, options are slightly different to previously. I think that you have now spent far more time than the OP looming into this. Have you found the study that his numbers and all of the press releases come from? I can find nothing. If there was any clear evidence that hundreds of millions should be spent on this, I'd want it out there. Lots of big headlines though. The OBR data that concludes a minimal effect is easy to find though..." I have not looked for it is the honest answer. Apart from free time constraints, even if I found it the report (whoever done it) would be just a prediction, same as the OBR one is. I was more searching for a better understanding of the situation and solid facts. It looks like for certain regions this is how the government have chosen to invest. So a few things I have discovered which some relate to questions on here Jobs will not be created just moved from other area's: part of the bidding process made the participants show that their plan would minimise economic displacement and maximize new investment (brand new jobs). This is to be regularly reviewed to ensure it continues to be upheld-this new investment has already started for the free ports (not just Teesside) with large investments some from foreign companies that did not have a UK presence before. We had free ports up until 2012. Why will they work better now: the rules governing the old UK free ports was stricter than today's free ports so it's not a correct comparison. The rules have changed due to the UK not being part of EU anymore (before people start shouting at me I am not making a brexit point, just stating a fact which you can easily check) It's just a big tax loss as the company's involved avoid it: import tax is only avoided if the imported items never cross into the rest of the UK. As soon as they do import tax is payable based on that point in time. This can be very advantageous for companies cash flow as they only pay the tax when they need the goods and not sooner. This also provides a market for warehousing and staff within the Freeport area. Will they work well? Well that's to be seen . The fact remains with 3500 of them across the world they are not a new idea and seem to work well for many countries so why not here. The billions already being invested by UK and foreign companies means they are of to a good start I wish I had more time to understand more but alas real life gets on the way Anyway I wish all the best to them for this. | |||
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