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"Raw sewage is NOT allowed to be dumped into rivers in any circumstances! " https://westcountrybylines.co.uk/the-mps-in-our-region-all-conservatives-who-voted-to-allow-raw-sewage-dumping-and-those-who-voted-against/ Have a look to see how your local MP voted. Mine voted to allow it  , in an area of outstanding natural beauty! | |||
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"Raw sewage is NOT allowed to be dumped into rivers in any circumstances! https://westcountrybylines.co.uk/the-mps-in-our-region-all-conservatives-who-voted-to-allow-raw-sewage-dumping-and-those-who-voted-against/ Brexit aside- this government will go down in history for all the wrong reasons- it’s going to create massive legacy issues for the Conservative party long term. Have a look to see how your local MP voted. Mine voted to allow it , in an area of outstanding natural beauty!" | |||
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"Raw sewage is NOT allowed to be dumped into rivers in any circumstances! " The Environment Agency this week said companies struggling to get hold of the required chemicals would be allowed to "discharge effluent without meeting the conditions" of their permits, which normally require water to be treated by a multi-step process. Sounds pretty raw to me | |||
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"Is there anything negative going on in your world which isn't down to Brexit? Just wondering..." Of course there is but what is your point? Brexit IS a shitshow. Covid has been rather a convenient distraction for 18mths but Brexit reality continues to bite. | |||
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"The list of DISbenefits keeps getting longer doesn’t it! All that “project fear” becoming project reality! Latest thing - raw sewage being dumped into our rivers. Thanks to Tory MPs, water companies, unable to get the chemicals they need to treat raw sewage because of Brexit, no longer need worry about shareholder's profits being reduced due to EU fines for polluting our rivers, coastal waters and beaches. The New Statesmen has an interesting article (not sure link is allowed) inc: “Regulation is another thing Conservative governments like to chop away at. This is usually framed as a bonfire of burdensome “red tape”. According to right-wing politicians and newspapers, this benighted material is the bane of British business, a fetter on our prosperity. For many years, British Eurosceptics cast the EU as the main source of this scarlet scourge. Brexit was seen as the equivalent of handing us each a pair of scissors. In 2017, a government-backed body called the “Red Tape Initiative” was enthusiastically launched in order to “grasp the opportunities that Brexit will give us to cut red tape in sensible ways”. The group was chaired by former Tory minister Oliver Letwin and featured Michael Gove on its advisory board. Yet just four years later, the director general of that organisation, Nick Tyrone, made a rather stark admission. “The idea that there is this mountain of red tape that is holding the country back and that if we just got rid of it we’d be billions of pounds better off is nothing more than a myth,” Tyrone conceded.” And this... “water companies are unable to get the chemicals they need to treat raw sewage because the government failed to plan sufficiently for disruptions caused by Brexit. Indeed, a spokesperson for Water UK, the trade association that represents the major water companies of the UK, says the sector is experiencing “some disruption to the supply in England of ferric sulphate, a chemical used at some drinking and wastewater treatment sites”. The shortages have arisen due to “a shortage of HGV drivers in the UK”.” Still looking forward to those tangible Brexit benefits...still waiting...am still waiting...oh look unicorns!!! " Ffs get a life you lost the vote, it embarrassing. | |||
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"The list of DISbenefits keeps getting longer doesn’t it! All that “project fear” becoming project reality! Latest thing - raw sewage being dumped into our rivers. Thanks to Tory MPs, water companies, unable to get the chemicals they need to treat raw sewage because of Brexit, no longer need worry about shareholder's profits being reduced due to EU fines for polluting our rivers, coastal waters and beaches. The New Statesmen has an interesting article (not sure link is allowed) inc: “Regulation is another thing Conservative governments like to chop away at. This is usually framed as a bonfire of burdensome “red tape”. According to right-wing politicians and newspapers, this benighted material is the bane of British business, a fetter on our prosperity. For many years, British Eurosceptics cast the EU as the main source of this scarlet scourge. Brexit was seen as the equivalent of handing us each a pair of scissors. In 2017, a government-backed body called the “Red Tape Initiative” was enthusiastically launched in order to “grasp the opportunities that Brexit will give us to cut red tape in sensible ways”. The group was chaired by former Tory minister Oliver Letwin and featured Michael Gove on its advisory board. Yet just four years later, the director general of that organisation, Nick Tyrone, made a rather stark admission. “The idea that there is this mountain of red tape that is holding the country back and that if we just got rid of it we’d be billions of pounds better off is nothing more than a myth,” Tyrone conceded.” And this... “water companies are unable to get the chemicals they need to treat raw sewage because the government failed to plan sufficiently for disruptions caused by Brexit. Indeed, a spokesperson for Water UK, the trade association that represents the major water companies of the UK, says the sector is experiencing “some disruption to the supply in England of ferric sulphate, a chemical used at some drinking and wastewater treatment sites”. The shortages have arisen due to “a shortage of HGV drivers in the UK”.” Still looking forward to those tangible Brexit benefits...still waiting...am still waiting...oh look unicorns!!! Ffs get a life you lost the vote, it embarrassing." | |||
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"Brighton - Green council and MP - rubbish in streets etc etc" Yep ironic isn’t. What point is it you are trying to make that is relevant to the thread? | |||
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"The list of DISbenefits keeps getting longer doesn’t it! All that “project fear” becoming project reality! Latest thing - raw sewage being dumped into our rivers. Thanks to Tory MPs, water companies, unable to get the chemicals they need to treat raw sewage because of Brexit, no longer need worry about shareholder's profits being reduced due to EU fines for polluting our rivers, coastal waters and beaches. The New Statesmen has an interesting article (not sure link is allowed) inc: “Regulation is another thing Conservative governments like to chop away at. This is usually framed as a bonfire of burdensome “red tape”. According to right-wing politicians and newspapers, this benighted material is the bane of British business, a fetter on our prosperity. For many years, British Eurosceptics cast the EU as the main source of this scarlet scourge. Brexit was seen as the equivalent of handing us each a pair of scissors. In 2017, a government-backed body called the “Red Tape Initiative” was enthusiastically launched in order to “grasp the opportunities that Brexit will give us to cut red tape in sensible ways”. The group was chaired by former Tory minister Oliver Letwin and featured Michael Gove on its advisory board. Yet just four years later, the director general of that organisation, Nick Tyrone, made a rather stark admission. “The idea that there is this mountain of red tape that is holding the country back and that if we just got rid of it we’d be billions of pounds better off is nothing more than a myth,” Tyrone conceded.” And this... “water companies are unable to get the chemicals they need to treat raw sewage because the government failed to plan sufficiently for disruptions caused by Brexit. Indeed, a spokesperson for Water UK, the trade association that represents the major water companies of the UK, says the sector is experiencing “some disruption to the supply in England of ferric sulphate, a chemical used at some drinking and wastewater treatment sites”. The shortages have arisen due to “a shortage of HGV drivers in the UK”.” Still looking forward to those tangible Brexit benefits...still waiting...am still waiting...oh look unicorns!!! Ffs get a life you lost the vote, it embarrassing." Typical response from someone who just cannot bear to admit they may have made a mistake “time to move on”. Nah don’t think I will leave it. Going to keep pointing out what you have “achieved” by winning a vote. If that offends you then feel free to jog on! Do you think it is acceptable to dump raw sewage in UK rivers? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . " They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). " So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards)." This trade deal is excellent for New Zealand. It's a big bonus for their produce industry. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards)." No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. " which is part of the problem, no parliamentry scrutiny | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. " Has the deal been signed ? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? " No. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No." Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers " The deal exists in draft form, and is in the process of being legally ratified. The same as for the Australian deal You know tbis, as it was pointed out to you several times last week. These trade deals will be some of the fastest produced anywhere in the world. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers The deal exists in draft form, and is in the process of being legally ratified. The same as for the Australian deal You know tbis, as it was pointed out to you several times last week. These trade deals will be some of the fastest produced anywhere in the world. " Don't upset their make-believe world! | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers The deal exists in draft form, and is in the process of being legally ratified. The same as for the Australian deal You know tbis, as it was pointed out to you several times last week. These trade deals will be some of the fastest produced anywhere in the world. " They haven’t been signed yet, dither and delay btw, the ‘proposed ‘ deal is shit for British farmers | |||
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"The NZ trade deal removes 97% of tariffs. Tariffs exist to force up prices of goods from abroad. Consumers, therefore, pay more in the shops ..so that producers (landowners in this case) get an artificial boost to their income. Anyone care to say why consumers should have their living standards affected in this way?" How do you know? It hasn’t been signed, | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers The deal exists in draft form, and is in the process of being legally ratified. The same as for the Australian deal You know tbis, as it was pointed out to you several times last week. These trade deals will be some of the fastest produced anywhere in the world. They haven’t been signed yet, dither and delay btw, the ‘proposed ‘ deal is shit for British farmers " You do realise that any agreement needs BOTH sides to agree and sign?  | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers " Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. | |||
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"The NZ trade deal removes 97% of tariffs. Tariffs exist to force up prices of goods from abroad. Consumers, therefore, pay more in the shops ..so that producers (landowners in this case) get an artificial boost to their income. Anyone care to say why consumers should have their living standards affected in this way? How do you know? It hasn’t been signed, " So why do you think tariffs are used? And what, consequently, will be the effect of reducing/removing them? | |||
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"The NZ trade deal removes 97% of tariffs. Tariffs exist to force up prices of goods from abroad. Consumers, therefore, pay more in the shops ..so that producers (landowners in this case) get an artificial boost to their income. Anyone care to say why consumers should have their living standards affected in this way? How do you know? It hasn’t been signed, So why do you think tariffs are used? And what, consequently, will be the effect of reducing/removing them?" The deal hasn’t been signed yet | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us." I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do " Know | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do " They are a vested interest, wanting high prices at our expense, yes? | |||
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"Well done to Britain for throwing off the shackles of bondage, and finally freeing themselves from oppression. No doubt you can all adjust to being free now, and are looking forward to a brave new world where the only rules that apply are the ones you create for yourselves.. well done !! Just a query though... on the fantastic new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand... I understand you’ll be able to buy sheep, cattle (meat) and dairy products, as well as Kiwi fruit and wine.... what exactly are they buying from yourselves...??? I remember being in England many years ago, and noticing what seemed to be plenty of sheep and cattle gently grazing in the green fields (obviously the nasty Europeans stole them from you) so it will be good to see fresh meat once more on the shelves....and cool milk and cheese in your fridges. " We have always bought dairy products from down under. You won't be forced to do so but, if shoppers want to, they will be able to do so without paying a tariff | |||
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"I agree with the Views of the OP. Since 2016 I have become disgusted with this country and the way its behaved. I believe that voters for brexit and the politics that enabled it have committed sn act of treason. A d have damaged this country for years to come" I often wonder why their haven't been treason charges against the Remainers who consorted with Brussels and encouraged them to be as difficult as possible. We Brexiteers are now going forward to a more free-trade economy | |||
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"Well done to Britain for throwing off the shackles of bondage, and finally freeing themselves from oppression. No doubt you can all adjust to being free now, and are looking forward to a brave new world where the only rules that apply are the ones you create for yourselves.. well done !! Just a query though... on the fantastic new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand... I understand you’ll be able to buy sheep, cattle (meat) and dairy products, as well as Kiwi fruit and wine.... what exactly are they buying from yourselves...??? I remember being in England many years ago, and noticing what seemed to be plenty of sheep and cattle gently grazing in the green fields (obviously the nasty Europeans stole them from you) so it will be good to see fresh meat once more on the shelves....and cool milk and cheese in your fridges. We have always bought dairy products from down under. You won't be forced to do so but, if shoppers want to, they will be able to do so without paying a tariff" I won’t be forced to do anything...I don’t live in the UK. Just curious as to what they will be buying from the UK in return, there never seemed to be a mention of it.. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know " Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. | |||
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"Well done to Britain for throwing off the shackles of bondage, and finally freeing themselves from oppression. No doubt you can all adjust to being free now, and are looking forward to a brave new world where the only rules that apply are the ones you create for yourselves.. well done !! Just a query though... on the fantastic new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand... I understand you’ll be able to buy sheep, cattle (meat) and dairy products, as well as Kiwi fruit and wine.... what exactly are they buying from yourselves...??? I remember being in England many years ago, and noticing what seemed to be plenty of sheep and cattle gently grazing in the green fields (obviously the nasty Europeans stole them from you) so it will be good to see fresh meat once more on the shelves....and cool milk and cheese in your fridges. We have always bought dairy products from down under. You won't be forced to do so but, if shoppers want to, they will be able to do so without paying a tariff I won’t be forced to do anything...I don’t live in the UK. Just curious as to what they will be buying from the UK in return, there never seemed to be a mention of it.." They can buy what they like. Or not buy what they don't like. It's up to our entrepreneurs and workers to design and make products and then try to find markets for them. What's wrong with that? | |||
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"Well done to Britain for throwing off the shackles of bondage, and finally freeing themselves from oppression. No doubt you can all adjust to being free now, and are looking forward to a brave new world where the only rules that apply are the ones you create for yourselves.. well done !! Just a query though... on the fantastic new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand... I understand you’ll be able to buy sheep, cattle (meat) and dairy products, as well as Kiwi fruit and wine.... what exactly are they buying from yourselves...??? I remember being in England many years ago, and noticing what seemed to be plenty of sheep and cattle gently grazing in the green fields (obviously the nasty Europeans stole them from you) so it will be good to see fresh meat once more on the shelves....and cool milk and cheese in your fridges. We have always bought dairy products from down under. You won't be forced to do so but, if shoppers want to, they will be able to do so without paying a tariff I won’t be forced to do anything...I don’t live in the UK. Just curious as to what they will be buying from the UK in return, there never seemed to be a mention of it.. They can buy what they like. Or not buy what they don't like. It's up to our entrepreneurs and workers to design and make products and then try to find markets for them. What's wrong with that?" So they will be buying imaginary objects that don’t exist, like unicorns ? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. " Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though " Yes, the NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs? Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though " Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure. "That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay " neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual."Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit | |||
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"So... has anybody defended our government dumping raw sewage into our waterways yet? Or is this one too shitty even for Tory defenders to rally around?" I think it’s a turd too far, | |||
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"So... has anybody defended our government dumping raw sewage into our waterways yet? Or is this one too shitty even for Tory defenders to rally around? I think it’s a turd too far, " A close encounter of the turd kind? | |||
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"So... has anybody defended our government dumping raw sewage into our waterways yet? Or is this one too shitty even for Tory defenders to rally around? I think it’s a turd too far, A close encounter of the turd kind?" Ha, I am sure there are other film based turd puns | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit "You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go."I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing, | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing, "The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs? Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
"The trade deal is great for New Zealand farmers, as their lower standards will be accepted by the UK undercutting British farmers. It's very interesting to read about the proposed deal. Is this related to the raw sewage issue? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
The trade deal is great for New Zealand farmers, as their lower standards will be accepted by the UK undercutting British farmers. It's very interesting to read about the proposed deal.
Is this related to the raw sewage issue?
"Yes, both are shit | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
"Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain? "Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people? I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject! | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!"The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread "Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer? On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'? Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done! But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?"Do you have shitty rivers in Spain? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain? "It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged? Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!) | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)"It must be great living in Spain, no shitty rivers | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
It must be great living in Spain, no shitty rivers "Puerile. I note you can't defend your reactionary position. I must have asked you 20 times now! | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
It must be great living in Spain, no shitty rivers
Puerile. I note you can't defend your reactionary position. I must have asked you 20 times now!
"I was in the Barcelona area over the summer, beautiful place and no shitty rivers, | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
It must be great living in Spain, no shitty rivers
Puerile. I note you can't defend your reactionary position. I must have asked you 20 times now!
I was in the Barcelona area over the summer, beautiful place and no shitty rivers, "If it will move the discussion on, let's say there are such rivers in Spain. Now, why do you mock an attempt to reduce food prices by removing tariffs, vis-a-vis the NZ trade deal? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
It must be great living in Spain, no shitty rivers
Puerile. I note you can't defend your reactionary position. I must have asked you 20 times now!
I was in the Barcelona area over the summer, beautiful place and no shitty rivers,
If it will move the discussion on, let's say there are such rivers in Spain.
Now, why do you mock an attempt to reduce food prices by removing tariffs, vis-a-vis the NZ trade deal?"Your questions are irrelevant to the OP. So , with that in mind , what do you think about the pedestrianisation of Norwich City Centre? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)"Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons). | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
It must be great living in Spain, no shitty rivers
Puerile. I note you can't defend your reactionary position. I must have asked you 20 times now!
I was in the Barcelona area over the summer, beautiful place and no shitty rivers,
If it will move the discussion on, let's say there are such rivers in Spain.
Now, why do you mock an attempt to reduce food prices by removing tariffs, vis-a-vis the NZ trade deal?
Your questions are irrelevant to the OP. So , with that in mind , what do you think about the pedestrianisation of Norwich City Centre? "I was answering your points earlier in the thread... you made numerous points. I'd be interested in your answer but I think I have to conclude that you don't have one | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons)."Have regulations been reduced in a Brexit bonfire of regulations? Which ones? Any? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
It must be great living in Spain, no shitty rivers
Puerile. I note you can't defend your reactionary position. I must have asked you 20 times now!
I was in the Barcelona area over the summer, beautiful place and no shitty rivers,
If it will move the discussion on, let's say there are such rivers in Spain.
Now, why do you mock an attempt to reduce food prices by removing tariffs, vis-a-vis the NZ trade deal?
Your questions are irrelevant to the OP. So , with that in mind , what do you think about the pedestrianisation of Norwich City Centre?
I was answering your points earlier in the thread... you made numerous points.
I'd be interested in your answer but I think I have to conclude that you don't have one"I’ll be honest, I’m dead against it. People forget that traders need access to Diiixxxooons . | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons)."Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave. "Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? "What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this? | |||
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"Well done to Britain for throwing off the shackles of bondage, and finally freeing themselves from oppression. No doubt you can all adjust to being free now, and are looking forward to a brave new world where the only rules that apply are the ones you create for yourselves.. well done !! Just a query though... on the fantastic new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand... I understand you’ll be able to buy sheep, cattle (meat) and dairy products, as well as Kiwi fruit and wine.... what exactly are they buying from yourselves...??? I remember being in England many years ago, and noticing what seemed to be plenty of sheep and cattle gently grazing in the green fields (obviously the nasty Europeans stole them from you) so it will be good to see fresh meat once more on the shelves....and cool milk and cheese in your fridges. " I had a quick look as like many know NZ are well known farmers but not sure what goes from the UK to NZ. Seems the main things are vehicles, vehicle parts, machinery equipment and pharmaceuticals. There are more but these are the main ones. There is also a fair amount of services trade. | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?"Are the EU nations that are suffering from HGV driver shortages dumping shit in their rivers? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?"I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up. The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully"Slyly suggest, PMSL To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully"You need to check your reading Here's what's happened, and if the daily fail are reporting it ( the Brexitters paper of choice ) perhaps there is something in it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers? "Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create. He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?"Any shitty rivers in the EU? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
You need to check your reading
Here's what's happened, and if the daily fail are reporting it ( the Brexitters paper of choice ) perhaps there is something in it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html"Looks a bit ‘sly’ | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
You need to check your reading
Here's what's happened, and if the daily fail are reporting it ( the Brexitters paper of choice ) perhaps there is something in it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html"so what eu rule has actually been done away with to allow this to happen? | |||
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"Environmental disaster aside it's all about eroding rights: Art 8 ECHR ensures that states/Govt control industrial pollution when there's serious interference with people’s enjoyment of their home & private life. Raab (our new Justice Secretary) has said publicly he doesn’t support ECHR. All linked. Bye bye rights." Yep, we now have the ‘freedom’ to dump shit in our rivers, | |||
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" The Daily Mail, a Remainer paper, " Lol. | |||
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" The Daily Mail, a Remainer paper, Lol. " His credibility is even lower now, not a good look | |||
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"The article the OP referred to doesn't say what regulation...if any...had been torn up. The Daily Mail, a Remainer paper, refers to problems being a shortage of a chemical due to shortages of lorry drivers and also coronavirus. So not related to Brexit then " Have you found any shitty rivers in the EU? | |||
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"The article the OP referred to doesn't say what regulation...if any...had been torn up. The Daily Mail, a Remainer paper, refers to problems being a shortage of a chemical due to shortages of lorry drivers and also coronavirus. So not related to Brexit then Have you found any shitty rivers in the EU? " plenty mate cant post the link as will get banned so look at the water,waste digest mag its all there. | |||
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"The article the OP referred to doesn't say what regulation...if any...had been torn up. The Daily Mail, a Remainer paper, refers to problems being a shortage of a chemical due to shortages of lorry drivers and also coronavirus. So not related to Brexit then Have you found any shitty rivers in the EU? plenty mate cant post the link as will get banned so look at the water,waste digest mag its all there. "Can’t find any, | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility" | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility "You're a few years behind the times And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP. All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers"seems it worked | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers"Haha, your having a mare again, this is on par with Farage debacle, not a good look | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html In case you missed it | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers
Haha, your having a mare again, this is on par with Farage debacle, not a good look "Go and check. The story here is that a Remainer paper has tried to blame Brexit for water pollution...and that gullible people are their target. You're being taken for a ride  | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
In case you missed it"no i read it what eu rule has been done away with neither of them say.  | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers
Haha, your having a mare again, this is on par with Farage debacle, not a good look
Go and check.
The story here is that a Remainer paper has tried to blame Brexit for water pollution...and that gullible people are their target.
You're being taken for a ride "Haha, I shouldn’t laugh, this is a bit worrying, not a good look | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
In case you missed it"See my comments above. The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper by the way...you didn't seem to be aware of that above. How do you think the Mail's story shows that water pollution is linked to Brexit? | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers
Haha, your having a mare again, this is on par with Farage debacle, not a good look
Go and check.
The story here is that a Remainer paper has tried to blame Brexit for water pollution...and that gullible people are their target.
You're being taken for a ride
Haha, I shouldn’t laugh, this is a bit worrying, not a good look "It's you that's the laughiy stock. Do you know who Geordie Greig is? Ever heard of him? You're looking like you're desperate to believe anything that you think confirms your prejudice | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers
Haha, your having a mare again, this is on par with Farage debacle, not a good look
Go and check.
The story here is that a Remainer paper has tried to blame Brexit for water pollution...and that gullible people are their target.
You're being taken for a ride
Haha, I shouldn’t laugh, this is a bit worrying, not a good look
It's you that's the laughiy stock. Do you know who Geordie Greig is? Ever heard of him?
You're looking like you're desperate to believe anything that you think confirms your prejudice"I know Geordie Greggs, make a lovely sausages rolls | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
In case you missed it"In case you missed it: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/07/new-daily-mail-editor-to-be-geordie-greig | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers
Haha, your having a mare again, this is on par with Farage debacle, not a good look
Go and check.
The story here is that a Remainer paper has tried to blame Brexit for water pollution...and that gullible people are their target.
You're being taken for a ride
Haha, I shouldn’t laugh, this is a bit worrying, not a good look
It's you that's the laughiy stock. Do you know who Geordie Greig is? Ever heard of him?
You're looking like you're desperate to believe anything that you think confirms your prejudice"Not a good look, worrying trend | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
In case you missed it
See my comments above. The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper by the way...you didn't seem to be aware of that above.
How do you think the Mail's story shows that water pollution is linked to Brexit?"The gift that keeps on giving A) the daily fail is a remainer paper is one of the funniest things ever written on these threads, bar none. B) we are struggling to get the chemicals we need as we no longer have free transit of goods across the channel as well as the stupendous own goal of reducing the pool of drivers. | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers
Haha, your having a mare again, this is on par with Farage debacle, not a good look
Go and check.
The story here is that a Remainer paper has tried to blame Brexit for water pollution...and that gullible people are their target.
You're being taken for a ride
Haha, I shouldn’t laugh, this is a bit worrying, not a good look
It's you that's the laughiy stock. Do you know who Geordie Greig is? Ever heard of him?
You're looking like you're desperate to believe anything that you think confirms your prejudice
Not a good look, worrying trend "Oh no shhhhhhhhh it sid. Be carful what you write, he has a bat phone straight to admin. | |||
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"The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper. Anyone thinking otherwise had rock bottom credibility
You're a few years behind the times
And even the Remainer Daily Mail can't pin pollution on Brexit. Neither could the New Statesman article quoted by the OP.
All they can do is try to slyly link it to Brexit in a desperate attempt to take in gullible Remainers
Haha, your having a mare again, this is on par with Farage debacle, not a good look
Go and check.
The story here is that a Remainer paper has tried to blame Brexit for water pollution...and that gullible people are their target.
You're being taken for a ride
Haha, I shouldn’t laugh, this is a bit worrying, not a good look
It's you that's the laughiy stock. Do you know who Geordie Greig is? Ever heard of him?
You're looking like you're desperate to believe anything that you think confirms your prejudice
Not a good look, worrying trend "Use Google. You can learn a lot...you were clearly unaware of the Mail's support for Remainers. So again, how is Brexit related to water pollution? I keep asking you but you don't answer | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
In case you missed it
See my comments above. The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper by the way...you didn't seem to be aware of that above.
How do you think the Mail's story shows that water pollution is linked to Brexit?
The gift that keeps on giving
A) the daily fail is a remainer paper is one of the funniest things ever written on these threads, bar none.
B) we are struggling to get the chemicals we need as we no longer have free transit of goods across the channel as well as the stupendous own goal of reducing the pool of drivers.
"https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/07/new-daily-mail-editor-to-be-geordie-greig | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
In case you missed it
See my comments above. The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper by the way...you didn't seem to be aware of that above.
How do you think the Mail's story shows that water pollution is linked to Brexit?
The gift that keeps on giving
A) the daily fail is a remainer paper is one of the funniest things ever written on these threads, bar none.
B) we are struggling to get the chemicals we need as we no longer have free transit of goods across the channel as well as the stupendous own goal of reducing the pool of drivers.
"Don’t be to harsh on him, he chooses to live in Spain, he is out of touch about what happens in the UK | |||
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"The article the OP referred to doesn't say what regulation...if any...had been torn up. The Daily Mail, a Remainer paper, refers to problems being a shortage of a chemical due to shortages of lorry drivers and also coronavirus. So not related to Brexit then " The Daily Mail a remainer paper! What have you been smoking??? | |||
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"I always find that those who say ‘you lost get over it’ etc etc are the ones who haven’t got a clue what they voted for . They voted to remove EU red tape (environmental protection laws), so the UK government is free to make its own decisions (to dump raw sewage into our waterways). So Brexit is literally a SHITSHOW! Oh and back onto that much touted NZ-UK trade deal errrr so NZ get a NZ$970m boost and the UK gets...nothing! Nada. Diddly Squat. Zero! Oh and it will probably put a lot of our farmers out of business eventually too (or force them to lower standards). No one, outside the negotiators, has seen the final text of the trade deal. Has the deal been signed ? No. Then the ‘deal’ doesn’t exist , more dither and delay, however you can tell by the details of the proposed deal it will be shit for British farmers Nope it certainly doesn't, yet although you would think it did with all these people getting there knickers in a twist over it. You knew the deal was not done when you asked, you just wanted to get chance to post your dither and delay bit, would you care to explain how a deal we never had and have not yet got is causing issues for businesses exactly? Not causing my business any issues so would love some insight?. You can only surmise and guess the detail until its released, although you appear to have already made your mind up i see, me and the rest of my business partners will await the full texts before I give an opinion on how good or bad it is for us. I can only go off what British farmers are saying about the proposed deal, they obviously no more that I do Know Ummm, thing is thats what you have heard from the press and social media no doubt which is probably biased crap, and not actually the truth from a selection of farmers across the different business sectors, maybe some are unhappy but i doubt its every single one of them. Maybe, the objections and concerns are coming from NFU though Well that doesn't surprise me at all, they normally are the first to crow, and there position on brexit and subsequent trade deals is well known, but they do not represent everybody in the farming business by a long way. Sensible farmers will wait to see the details of the deal and how and if it affects them first before going off on one I am sure.
That is their issue, they don’t know the details and how it will work, dither and delay
neither does anyone else, yet they know enough to be saying its no good for there members though hey?, and it is not delaying anything for them because nothing has happened, so they are in exactly the same boat as they were before, no extra costs, no new rules or procedures all exactly as it was a week ago, just hot air as usual.
Anyway, let’s get back to the rivers of shit
You go for it, the raw sewage dumping ain't a new thing either its something that's been going on for ages, companies are allowed to under environment agency rules in special circumstances and have been for years and years, there are reports of this going back well over a decade. I personally don't agree with the practice but there you go.
I agree, rivers of shit are never a good thing,
The NFU is one of the country's largest vested interests. They want to keep shop prices high at the expense of the consumer. Tariffs are how they do it
Why do you oppose this deal which will remove tariffs?
Why should consumers pay more to protect the profits of landowners?
Let’s talk about the OP, do you have rivers of shit in Spain?
Any answers about why you oppose the ending of tariffs on food imports? Why you want to favour landowners over working people?
I keep asking you but all you do is avoid the subject!
The OP is about shitty rivers, if you want to talk about the proposed NZ trade deal start your own thread
Sorry! It was you that was on about Brexit generally and also the NZ deal ..so why not answer?
On the rivers ... doesn't the original article say the chemical shortage is due to a shortage of lorry drivers? And nothing to do with CA 'bonfire of regulations'?
Good try by the writer though to elide the two in the hope that people won't notice what he has done!
But once more, why do you mock tariff abolition?
Do you have shitty rivers in Spain?
It's clear that you can't defend your Remainer position in any way. That's why you change the subject when you are challenged?
Did the New Statesman article say why there is a shortage of chemicals? (Clue: It did). Was it to do with a post-eu 'bonfire of regulations? (Clue: it isn't!)
Wow that is some seriously selective interpretation. The New Statesman article very clearly makes two Brexit related links to the shit in the river. 1. Reduced regulations. 2. Supply chain issues securing chemicals exacerbated by shortage of HGV (which actually adds a third Brexit reason - although that is not the sole reason for HGV shortage, it IS one of the top reasons).Is it so how do you explain a shortage in poland france germany and even the usa.Who knew brexit effected the states no wonder biden didnt want us to leave.
Have they all started dumping shit in their rivers ? What eu rule has been ripped up that allows this?
I've now read the article four times. Nowhere does it say any regulations have been ripped up.
The article's writer tries slyly to suggest that...in the hope, presumably, of fooling gullible Remainers and people who are unable to read carefully
Slyly suggest, PMSL
To clarify, have any EU nations started to dump shit in their rivers?
Slyly suggest, yes. He is entirely unable to finally substantiate the impression he tries to create.
He is unable to say that any regulation has been ripped up. Can you? Which one?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
In case you missed it
See my comments above. The Daily Mail is a Remainer paper by the way...you didn't seem to be aware of that above.
How do you think the Mail's story shows that water pollution is linked to Brexit?
The gift that keeps on giving
A) the daily fail is a remainer paper is one of the funniest things ever written on these threads, bar none.
B) we are struggling to get the chemicals we need as we no longer have free transit of goods across the channel as well as the stupendous own goal of reducing the pool of drivers.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/07/new-daily-mail-editor-to-be-geordie-greig"And their editorial policy is no different | |||
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"And just how is this water pollution related to Brexit? It all looks a bit desperate by Remainers" Why do you keep insisting that only "remainers" can follow the news? Bit insulting to people who voted leave. | |||
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"And just how is this water pollution related to Brexit? It all looks a bit desperate by Remainers" I told you Clearly not reading. | |||
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"And just how is this water pollution related to Brexit? It all looks a bit desperate by Remainers I told you Clearly not reading." Remainers looking really desperate now. If you don't like something the government has done...vote them out! You have a right to do that. You can vote for someone who will change the laws. You couldn't do that when we were in the EU as nearly 70% of our laws were made in Brussels. It's now simple. You can vote...and something will actually happen, unlike in the old EU days How could you change an EU Directive? | |||
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"And just how is this water pollution related to Brexit? It all looks a bit desperate by Remainers I told you Clearly not reading. Remainers looking really desperate now. If you don't like something the government has done...vote them out! You have a right to do that. You can vote for someone who will change the laws. You couldn't do that when we were in the EU as nearly 70% of our laws were made in Brussels. It's now simple. You can vote...and something will actually happen, unlike in the old EU days How could you change an EU Directive?" I posted a link for you that explained how the EU works. I won't repost it, seems to be against forum rules to put up links. It's well worth taking time to understand. | |||
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"And just how is this water pollution related to Brexit? It all looks a bit desperate by Remainers I told you Clearly not reading. Remainers looking really desperate now. If you don't like something the government has done...vote them out! You have a right to do that. You can vote for someone who will change the laws. You couldn't do that when we were in the EU as nearly 70% of our laws were made in Brussels. It's now simple. You can vote...and something will actually happen, unlike in the old EU days How could you change an EU Directive?" So you think you couldn't vote for an MEP? | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws" I applaud the way you manage to not understand. | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. " In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand" You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. " You do realise that the 'parliament' can't initiate Directives and can't appoint Commissioners? You could start with learning about Jean Monnet. He and other EU founders thought that the public should be kept out if decision-making. He said that EU decision-makers should be ' insulated' from public opinion. That is how it worked out. By design. A very dangerous man. Anything else I don't understand? I'll ask you a question: how does an EU citizen change a law they don't like if that law is based on an EU Directive? Who does he or she sack? How? I look forward to your answers | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. You do realise that the 'parliament' can't initiate Directives and can't appoint Commissioners? You could start with learning about Jean Monnet. He and other EU founders thought that the public should be kept out if decision-making. He said that EU decision-makers should be ' insulated' from public opinion. That is how it worked out. By design. A very dangerous man. Anything else I don't understand? I'll ask you a question: how does an EU citizen change a law they don't like if that law is based on an EU Directive? Who does he or she sack? How? I look forward to your answers" Ah, so you have to go back to the 50's to try and score a point? A British person can't change a British law. Try again. Seriously, try. | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. You do realise that the 'parliament' can't initiate Directives and can't appoint Commissioners? You could start with learning about Jean Monnet. He and other EU founders thought that the public should be kept out if decision-making. He said that EU decision-makers should be ' insulated' from public opinion. That is how it worked out. By design. A very dangerous man. Anything else I don't understand? I'll ask you a question: how does an EU citizen change a law they don't like if that law is based on an EU Directive? Who does he or she sack? How? I look forward to your answers Ah, so you have to go back to the 50's to try and score a point? A British person can't change a British law. Try again. Seriously, try. " I'm not 'going back to the 1950s' to make my point. I can't work out how you arrived at that. The situation I described is operative today. I merely described the historic roots of the EU's anti-democratic nature. Again, Monnet designed it to be insulated from public opinion. It's 'parliament' can't initiate laws. Neither can it appoint its own commissioners. So tell me, how does an EU citizen sack the makers of law based on an EU Directive? I look forward to your reply | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. You do realise that the 'parliament' can't initiate Directives and can't appoint Commissioners? You could start with learning about Jean Monnet. He and other EU founders thought that the public should be kept out if decision-making. He said that EU decision-makers should be ' insulated' from public opinion. That is how it worked out. By design. A very dangerous man. Anything else I don't understand? I'll ask you a question: how does an EU citizen change a law they don't like if that law is based on an EU Directive? Who does he or she sack? How? I look forward to your answers Ah, so you have to go back to the 50's to try and score a point? A British person can't change a British law. Try again. Seriously, try. I'm not 'going back to the 1950s' to make my point. I can't work out how you arrived at that. The situation I described is operative today. I merely described the historic roots of the EU's anti-democratic nature. Again, Monnet designed it to be insulated from public opinion. It's 'parliament' can't initiate laws. Neither can it appoint its own commissioners. So tell me, how does an EU citizen sack the makers of law based on an EU Directive? I look forward to your reply" You are displaying a shocking lack of knowledge about the EU. You do understand that the council of ministers actually initiates the policy and legal process, tell me you do at least know that? | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. You do realise that the 'parliament' can't initiate Directives and can't appoint Commissioners? You could start with learning about Jean Monnet. He and other EU founders thought that the public should be kept out if decision-making. He said that EU decision-makers should be ' insulated' from public opinion. That is how it worked out. By design. A very dangerous man. Anything else I don't understand? I'll ask you a question: how does an EU citizen change a law they don't like if that law is based on an EU Directive? Who does he or she sack? How? I look forward to your answers Ah, so you have to go back to the 50's to try and score a point? A British person can't change a British law. Try again. Seriously, try. I'm not 'going back to the 1950s' to make my point. I can't work out how you arrived at that. The situation I described is operative today. I merely described the historic roots of the EU's anti-democratic nature. Again, Monnet designed it to be insulated from public opinion. It's 'parliament' can't initiate laws. Neither can it appoint its own commissioners. So tell me, how does an EU citizen sack the makers of law based on an EU Directive? I look forward to your reply You are displaying a shocking lack of knowledge about the EU. You do understand that the council of ministers actually initiates the policy and legal process, tell me you do at least know that?" In what way do I have a 'shocking lack of knowledge about the EU'? So if the Council initiates policy, you mean the 'parliament' doesn't? ?? Yet you Remainers claim the 'parliament' makes law. Have Remainers been lying? Of course they have! Now, in the UK we can now make our own law at long last. If we don't like a law it can become the subject of an election campaign. We can debate it on the doorstep! Elections will mean something again. How does an EU citizen do that? (You haven't answered this so far and I've been very patient) | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. You do realise that the 'parliament' can't initiate Directives and can't appoint Commissioners? You could start with learning about Jean Monnet. He and other EU founders thought that the public should be kept out if decision-making. He said that EU decision-makers should be ' insulated' from public opinion. That is how it worked out. By design. A very dangerous man. Anything else I don't understand? I'll ask you a question: how does an EU citizen change a law they don't like if that law is based on an EU Directive? Who does he or she sack? How? I look forward to your answers Ah, so you have to go back to the 50's to try and score a point? A British person can't change a British law. Try again. Seriously, try. I'm not 'going back to the 1950s' to make my point. I can't work out how you arrived at that. The situation I described is operative today. I merely described the historic roots of the EU's anti-democratic nature. Again, Monnet designed it to be insulated from public opinion. It's 'parliament' can't initiate laws. Neither can it appoint its own commissioners. So tell me, how does an EU citizen sack the makers of law based on an EU Directive? I look forward to your reply You are displaying a shocking lack of knowledge about the EU. You do understand that the council of ministers actually initiates the policy and legal process, tell me you do at least know that? In what way do I have a 'shocking lack of knowledge about the EU'? So if the Council initiates policy, you mean the 'parliament' doesn't? ?? Yet you Remainers claim the 'parliament' makes law. Have Remainers been lying? Of course they have! Now, in the UK we can now make our own law at long last. If we don't like a law it can become the subject of an election campaign. We can debate it on the doorstep! Elections will mean something again. How does an EU citizen do that? (You haven't answered this so far and I've been very patient)" Oh dear, you are so wrong it's actually embarrassing. The council of ministers are elected by you, they are MPs in the case of the UK. They work with the commission, who are appointed by your democratically elected leaders. The parliament , democratic representatives, elected by you, review the output and either endorse it or don't. If you want an EU directive changing, it can be withdrawn and replaced with something else, see above process, or you as an individual, can challenge it through the courts. Now I realize you won't either accept this, or perhaps understand it. That's not my problem. Elections in the UK seem to be ignored once the party get in, the current bunch of shysters have simply ignored what they said they would do, ten new hospitals? No new taxes? BoZo laying down to stop the bulldozers? As I said, you have a shocking lack of knowledge about the EU, and now it would seem UK politics and political process. | |||
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"And just how is this water pollution related to Brexit? It all looks a bit desperate by Remainers I told you Clearly not reading. Remainers looking really desperate now. If you don't like something the government has done...vote them out! You have a right to do that. You can vote for someone who will change the laws. You couldn't do that when we were in the EU as nearly 70% of our laws were made in Brussels. It's now simple. You can vote...and something will actually happen, unlike in the old EU days How could you change an EU Directive?" LMFAO another Brexit supporter who seems to think the EU did stuff TO the UK rather than WITH the UK. We were in the EU. We were part of the group that designed, debated and voted on EVERY SINGLE LAW AND REGULATION EVER PASSED. If you want to throw stats around, the UK voted in favour of over 98% of ALL laws passed into EU law. On the rest we abstained on the majority or used our veto and actually voted against a tiny fraction. Guess which laws we voted against...offshore tax havens and city money laundering (oops I meant Financial Services). Why do some Brexit supporters continue to peddle this oxymoron that poor little UK was bullied by big bad EU but will somehow be this strong powerhouse on the world stage? How can you say our strength lies in having the 5/6th biggest economy and 4th most powerful military in the world but ignore we had the 2nd biggest economy and 1st most powerful military in the EU. How can you ignore that we also had a completely privileged position in the EU with unfettered access to the richest market in the world, with full voting rights on ALL laws and regulations and yet sat outside Schengen and were insulated from any problems in the Eurozone as we still had our own Stirling currency! | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. You do realise that the 'parliament' can't initiate Directives and can't appoint Commissioners? You could start with learning about Jean Monnet. He and other EU founders thought that the public should be kept out if decision-making. He said that EU decision-makers should be ' insulated' from public opinion. That is how it worked out. By design. A very dangerous man. Anything else I don't understand? I'll ask you a question: how does an EU citizen change a law they don't like if that law is based on an EU Directive? Who does he or she sack? How? I look forward to your answers Ah, so you have to go back to the 50's to try and score a point? A British person can't change a British law. Try again. Seriously, try. I'm not 'going back to the 1950s' to make my point. I can't work out how you arrived at that. The situation I described is operative today. I merely described the historic roots of the EU's anti-democratic nature. Again, Monnet designed it to be insulated from public opinion. It's 'parliament' can't initiate laws. Neither can it appoint its own commissioners. So tell me, how does an EU citizen sack the makers of law based on an EU Directive? I look forward to your reply You are displaying a shocking lack of knowledge about the EU. You do understand that the council of ministers actually initiates the policy and legal process, tell me you do at least know that? In what way do I have a 'shocking lack of knowledge about the EU'? So if the Council initiates policy, you mean the 'parliament' doesn't? ?? Yet you Remainers claim the 'parliament' makes law. Have Remainers been lying? Of course they have! Now, in the UK we can now make our own law at long last. If we don't like a law it can become the subject of an election campaign. We can debate it on the doorstep! Elections will mean something again. How does an EU citizen do that? (You haven't answered this so far and I've been very patient) Oh dear, you are so wrong it's actually embarrassing. The council of ministers are elected by you, they are MPs in the case of the UK. They work with the commission, who are appointed by your democratically elected leaders. The parliament , democratic representatives, elected by you, review the output and either endorse it or don't. If you want an EU directive changing, it can be withdrawn and replaced with something else, see above process, or you as an individual, can challenge it through the courts. Now I realize you won't either accept this, or perhaps understand it. That's not my problem. Elections in the UK seem to be ignored once the party get in, the current bunch of shysters have simply ignored what they said they would do, ten new hospitals? No new taxes? BoZo laying down to stop the bulldozers? As I said, you have a shocking lack of knowledge about the EU, and now it would seem UK politics and political process." Correction - they are or were MP's in the main. But your elected representatives appointed them. | |||
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"Of course, Remainers prefer to have their laws made undemocratically...and want that system to return. How, in the old EU days, would they change a law they didn't like? Now we are independent again, we can make our own laws. We can strengthen protections, we can weaken them. We just have to get back into the habit of voting to change laws I applaud the way you manage to not understand. In what way do I not understand? Maybe it is you that doesn't understand You can start with how the EU parliament works. You also need to take a look at the role of the EU commission work, and make sure you read up on the council of ministers. You do realise that the 'parliament' can't initiate Directives and can't appoint Commissioners? You could start with learning about Jean Monnet. He and other EU founders thought that the public should be kept out if decision-making. He said that EU decision-makers should be ' insulated' from public opinion. That is how it worked out. By design. A very dangerous man. Anything else I don't understand? I'll ask you a question: how does an EU citizen change a law they don't like if that law is based on an EU Directive? Who does he or she sack? How? I look forward to your answers Ah, so you have to go back to the 50's to try and score a point? A British person can't change a British law. Try again. Seriously, try. I'm not 'going back to the 1950s' to make my point. I can't work out how you arrived at that. The situation I described is operative today. I merely described the historic roots of the EU's anti-democratic nature. Again, Monnet designed it to be insulated from public opinion. It's 'parliament' can't initiate laws. Neither can it appoint its own commissioners. So tell me, how does an EU citizen sack the makers of law based on an EU Directive? I look forward to your reply You are displaying a shocking lack of knowledge about the EU. You do understand that the council of ministers actually initiates the policy and legal process, tell me you do at least know that? In what way do I have a 'shocking lack of knowledge about the EU'? So if the Council initiates policy, you mean the 'parliament' doesn't? ?? Yet you Remainers claim the 'parliament' makes law. Have Remainers been lying? Of course they have! Now, in the UK we can now make our own law at long last. If we don't like a law it can become the subject of an election campaign. We can debate it on the doorstep! Elections will mean something again. How does an EU citizen do that? (You haven't answered this so far and I've been very patient) Oh dear, you are so wrong it's actually embarrassing. The council of ministers are elected by you, they are MPs in the case of the UK. They work with the commission, who are appointed by your democratically elected leaders. The parliament , democratic representatives, elected by you, review the output and either endorse it or don't. If you want an EU directive changing, it can be withdrawn and replaced with something else, see above process, or you as an individual, can challenge it through the courts. Now I realize you won't either accept this, or perhaps understand it. That's not my problem. Elections in the UK seem to be ignored once the party get in, the current bunch of shysters have simply ignored what they said they would do, ten new hospitals? No new taxes? BoZo laying down to stop the bulldozers? As I said, you have a shocking lack of knowledge about the EU, and now it would seem UK politics and political process." You must be embarrassed to believe such lies
You have no understanding at all and clearly are no democrat.
A fan of the anti-democrat Monnet who admitted that the EU was designed to be insulated from public opinion!
And a fan of high prices/tariffs, high unemployment, a low-wage economy and a loe-trained economy sustained by cheap labour.
Bizarre. What a good job that the EU's reactionaries list the referendum.
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"And just how is this water pollution related to Brexit? It all looks a bit desperate by Remainers I told you Clearly not reading. Remainers looking really desperate now. If you don't like something the government has done...vote them out! You have a right to do that. You can vote for someone who will change the laws. You couldn't do that when we were in the EU as nearly 70% of our laws were made in Brussels. It's now simple. You can vote...and something will actually happen, unlike in the old EU days How could you change an EU Directive? LMFAO another Brexit supporter who seems to think the EU did stuff TO the UK rather than WITH the UK. We were in the EU. We were part of the group that designed, debated and voted on EVERY SINGLE LAW AND REGULATION EVER PASSED. If you want to throw stats around, the UK voted in favour of over 98% of ALL laws passed into EU law. On the rest we abstained on the majority or used our veto and actually voted against a tiny fraction. Guess which laws we voted against...offshore tax havens and city money laundering (oops I meant Financial Services). Why do some Brexit supporters continue to peddle this oxymoron that poor little UK was bullied by big bad EU but will somehow be this strong powerhouse on the world stage? How can you say our strength lies in having the 5/6th biggest economy and 4th most powerful military in the world but ignore we had the 2nd biggest economy and 1st most powerful military in the EU. How can you ignore that we also had a completely privileged position in the EU with unfettered access to the richest market in the world, with full voting rights on ALL laws and regulations and yet sat outside Schengen and were insulated from any problems in the Eurozone as we still had our own Stirling currency! " You'll get over your wilful delusions one day. Why do you support tariffs which force prices up and support free movement of labour to pressure wages down? And again, if you don't like a UK law you can sack your MP and change the government...how would an EU citizen do the same? | |||
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"Also - feel free to supply a list (or even a %) of the “EU laws” that were a part of our sovereign UK laws that the UK did not want as part of our laws. What was the proportion of UK laws that were actually “EU laws”? How many of those were actually bad for the UK and UK citizens?" You clearly don't understand how EU Directives work. Embarrassing for someone who claims to understand the EU. Nigel Farage claimed 70% of UK law was actually EU law. The House of Commons library said the actual figure was 67% If you really want to understand this further you have to find which 'competences' have been handed to the EU... invariably without public awareness. That will help you grasp how the EU works Then you won't have to feign worry about nonsenses like further up the thread | |||
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"Also - feel free to supply a list (or even a %) of the “EU laws” that were a part of our sovereign UK laws that the UK did not want as part of our laws. What was the proportion of UK laws that were actually “EU laws”? How many of those were actually bad for the UK and UK citizens? You clearly don't understand how EU Directives work. Embarrassing for someone who claims to understand the EU. Nigel Farage claimed 70% of UK law was actually EU law. The House of Commons library said the actual figure was 67% If you really want to understand this further you have to find which 'competences' have been handed to the EU... invariably without public awareness. That will help you grasp how the EU works Then you won't have to feign worry about nonsenses like further up the thread" So you completely fail to acknowledge the key point - the EU did this (laws) WITH the UK not TO the UK. We literally wrote and voted on the laws together. It must be awful living life as a victim forever looking to blame others for your country’s perceived weakness! | |||
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"Also - feel free to supply a list (or even a %) of the “EU laws” that were a part of our sovereign UK laws that the UK did not want as part of our laws. What was the proportion of UK laws that were actually “EU laws”? How many of those were actually bad for the UK and UK citizens? You clearly don't understand how EU Directives work. Embarrassing for someone who claims to understand the EU. Nigel Farage claimed 70% of UK law was actually EU law. The House of Commons library said the actual figure was 67% If you really want to understand this further you have to find which 'competences' have been handed to the EU... invariably without public awareness. That will help you grasp how the EU works Then you won't have to feign worry about nonsenses like further up the thread" Quoting Farage, not a good look | |||
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"Also - feel free to supply a list (or even a %) of the “EU laws” that were a part of our sovereign UK laws that the UK did not want as part of our laws. What was the proportion of UK laws that were actually “EU laws”? How many of those were actually bad for the UK and UK citizens? You clearly don't understand how EU Directives work. Embarrassing for someone who claims to understand the EU. Nigel Farage claimed 70% of UK law was actually EU law. The House of Commons library said the actual figure was 67% If you really want to understand this further you have to find which 'competences' have been handed to the EU... invariably without public awareness. That will help you grasp how the EU works Then you won't have to feign worry about nonsenses like further up the thread So you completely fail to acknowledge the key point - the EU did this (laws) WITH the UK not TO the UK. We literally wrote and voted on the laws together. It must be awful living life as a victim forever looking to blame others for your country’s perceived weakness!" I think you need to ask why you're so angry. It is very apparent to most people that Remainers simply expected voters to do as they were told by their 'betters'. And they were furious that we didn't do as you told us! Furious! And still extremely angry that we don't even like you or respect you! They thought they were better, superior. And now they know we've seen through them. Like a child having a tantrum they just shout and shout until everyone else does what they say. Sorry to say but that's how you look and, if you're not careful, you'll make yourself ill. Hate will disfigure you | |||
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"Also - feel free to supply a list (or even a %) of the “EU laws” that were a part of our sovereign UK laws that the UK did not want as part of our laws. What was the proportion of UK laws that were actually “EU laws”? How many of those were actually bad for the UK and UK citizens? You clearly don't understand how EU Directives work. Embarrassing for someone who claims to understand the EU. Nigel Farage claimed 70% of UK law was actually EU law. The House of Commons library said the actual figure was 67% If you really want to understand this further you have to find which 'competences' have been handed to the EU... invariably without public awareness. That will help you grasp how the EU works Then you won't have to feign worry about nonsenses like further up the thread" Without public awareness is a great phrase, it didn't negatively impact them. Until the likes of Fartage realised he could make a few quid out of it | |||
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"Also - feel free to supply a list (or even a %) of the “EU laws” that were a part of our sovereign UK laws that the UK did not want as part of our laws. What was the proportion of UK laws that were actually “EU laws”? How many of those were actually bad for the UK and UK citizens? You clearly don't understand how EU Directives work. Embarrassing for someone who claims to understand the EU. Nigel Farage claimed 70% of UK law was actually EU law. The House of Commons library said the actual figure was 67% If you really want to understand this further you have to find which 'competences' have been handed to the EU... invariably without public awareness. That will help you grasp how the EU works Then you won't have to feign worry about nonsenses like further up the thread So you completely fail to acknowledge the key point - the EU did this (laws) WITH the UK not TO the UK. We literally wrote and voted on the laws together. It must be awful living life as a victim forever looking to blame others for your country’s perceived weakness! I think you need to ask why you're so angry. It is very apparent to most people that Remainers simply expected voters to do as they were told by their 'betters'. And they were furious that we didn't do as you told us! Furious! And still extremely angry that we don't even like you or respect you! They thought they were better, superior. And now they know we've seen through them. Like a child having a tantrum they just shout and shout until everyone else does what they say. Sorry to say but that's how you look and, if you're not careful, you'll make yourself ill. Hate will disfigure you" So you can’t answer the question? Instead you spout utter nonsense (again sounding like a victim). Next you’ll be telling me people like Farage and BJ are men of the people! Tell me you didn’t fall for any if Farage’s ponzi schemes? Your arguments throughout this thread have been contradictory at best. Here’s a few... EU freedom of movement suppressed wages = bad but... Trade deal with NZ will mean lower prices for consumers but in turn will put UK farmers out of business (including all their agri workers) = good! You don’t seem to realise that tariffs protect jobs (from cheap foreign imports) not just line the pockets of “wealthy landowners”. You also fail to understand basic economics that an increase in wages must be accompanied by an increase in productivity and free access to markets/consumers to sell significant quantity to otherwise it results in inflation = higher consumer prices! In relation to shit being pumped into our rivers you bang on about which EU environmental laws have been overturned. So from that one would assume you think those are good laws yet you rail against any (co-created with the UK) EU rules/laws being adopted by the UK! Could go on but it is pointless. You continue to enjoy your pyrrhic victory because all you have actually done with your obvious protest vote against your perceived betters (we don’t think that) is make us ALL poorer for it (except maybe 0.1% of the UK - the very people you thought you were voting against). | |||
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"Also - feel free to supply a list (or even a %) of the “EU laws” that were a part of our sovereign UK laws that the UK did not want as part of our laws. What was the proportion of UK laws that were actually “EU laws”? How many of those were actually bad for the UK and UK citizens? You clearly don't understand how EU Directives work. Embarrassing for someone who claims to understand the EU. Nigel Farage claimed 70% of UK law was actually EU law. The House of Commons library said the actual figure was 67% If you really want to understand this further you have to find which 'competences' have been handed to the EU... invariably without public awareness. That will help you grasp how the EU works Then you won't have to feign worry about nonsenses like further up the thread Without public awareness is a great phrase, it didn't negatively impact them. Until the likes of Fartage realised he could make a few quid out of it " But he was correct, wasn't he? The HoC library confirmed it And once again, the Remainers were wrong...and all they have left is futile anger and childish abuse | |||
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"As funny as it is picking the low hanging fruit of the pro-brexit guy's comedy posts. Are there any Conservative voters knocking about who feel strongly enough about this to write to their local MP?" In what sense, 'comedy'? You're very angry...but only know how to insult | |||
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" In what sense, 'comedy'? " See above. | |||
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" In what sense, 'comedy'? See above." I think you prove my point about Remainer abuse | |||
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" In what sense, 'comedy'? See above. I think you prove my point about Remainer abuse" Just so we're 100% clear. Your definition of abuse is "see above", and your definition of reasoned debate is a tirade of incoherent insults? Meanwhile, you still seem to be suggesting that "remainers" are the only people who don't want raw sewage pumped into rivers. Don't you think that's a little simplistic and a little bit insulting to people who voted leave? | |||
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" In what sense, 'comedy'? See above. I think you prove my point about Remainer abuse Just so we're 100% clear. Your definition of abuse is "see above", and your definition of reasoned debate is a tirade of incoherent insults? Meanwhile, you still seem to be suggesting that "remainers" are the only people who don't want raw sewage pumped into rivers. Don't you think that's a little simplistic and a little bit insulting to people who voted leave? " We've tackled the water question further up the thread. The articles quoted didn't show what it was claimed they showed! But on a serious note, Leavers have been called knuckledraggers, racists, various 'phobes', mouth breathers, thugs, bigots etc It is such extreme language that I feel you have to assume it comes.. from arrogance, certainly, and probably from damaged minds. It's very rare you get a reasoned argument from a Remainer. They are so dismissive. Why is this so? | |||
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" In what sense, 'comedy'? See above. I think you prove my point about Remainer abuse Just so we're 100% clear. Your definition of abuse is "see above", and your definition of reasoned debate is a tirade of incoherent insults? Meanwhile, you still seem to be suggesting that "remainers" are the only people who don't want raw sewage pumped into rivers. Don't you think that's a little simplistic and a little bit insulting to people who voted leave? We've tackled the water question further up the thread. The articles quoted didn't show what it was claimed they showed! But on a serious note, Leavers have been called knuckledraggers, racists, various 'phobes', mouth breathers, thugs, bigots etc It is such extreme language that I feel you have to assume it comes.. from arrogance, certainly, and probably from damaged minds. It's very rare you get a reasoned argument from a Remainer. They are so dismissive. Why is this so?" Are you asking me why you have such a bizarre opinion of "remainers"? I don't know. I hope that can conclude this tangent. I am interested to know if any Tory voters feel like their party has made a poor choice by voting to allow this. | |||
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" In what sense, 'comedy'? See above. I think you prove my point about Remainer abuse Just so we're 100% clear. Your definition of abuse is "see above", and your definition of reasoned debate is a tirade of incoherent insults? Meanwhile, you still seem to be suggesting that "remainers" are the only people who don't want raw sewage pumped into rivers. Don't you think that's a little simplistic and a little bit insulting to people who voted leave? We've tackled the water question further up the thread. The articles quoted didn't show what it was claimed they showed! But on a serious note, Leavers have been called knuckledraggers, racists, various 'phobes', mouth breathers, thugs, bigots etc It is such extreme language that I feel you have to assume it comes.. from arrogance, certainly, and probably from damaged minds. It's very rare you get a reasoned argument from a Remainer. They are so dismissive. Why is this so?" Yes as shown above the discharge of shit into our rivers is just another "brexit bonus". You complain about the language used about Brexitters, yet in the same passage, you assert people who voted remain have damaged minds. Classic. | |||
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" In what sense, 'comedy'? See above. I think you prove my point about Remainer abuse Just so we're 100% clear. Your definition of abuse is "see above", and your definition of reasoned debate is a tirade of incoherent insults? Meanwhile, you still seem to be suggesting that "remainers" are the only people who don't want raw sewage pumped into rivers. Don't you think that's a little simplistic and a little bit insulting to people who voted leave? We've tackled the water question further up the thread. The articles quoted didn't show what it was claimed they showed! But on a serious note, Leavers have been called knuckledraggers, racists, various 'phobes', mouth breathers, thugs, bigots etc It is such extreme language that I feel you have to assume it comes.. from arrogance, certainly, and probably from damaged minds. It's very rare you get a reasoned argument from a Remainer. They are so dismissive. Why is this so? Are you asking me why you have such a bizarre opinion of "remainers"? I don't know. I hope that can conclude this tangent. I am interested to know if any Tory voters feel like their party has made a poor choice by voting to allow this." Tory voter here and yes it was a very bad decision and frankly i would like to know why this vote went through.The one blessing is that in the next election an opposing party can say that if they get a majority they will reverse it something that you cant do with eu laws if you are in the eu. | |||
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"You have to admit the sneering and abuse from Remainers is very striking. I'm convinced it lies in almost absolute intolerance of other views...prompted, I think, by the feeling that they are superior and people who think differently are beneath contempt. I'm convinced that this arrogant attitude is one reason that people voted Leave. Millions of people have noticed...and yet the Remainers just get shriller and shriller. This will be remembered for generations. Can Remainers here cast any light as to why they speak so dismissively to other people?" I admire your consistency, you are wrong again. You can't offer an argument that stands up to scrutiny so you switch your defence on to what could be described as the "mummy mummy they are using harsh words" line of defence, whilst at the same time, using similar language. Try again, say do some research or a bit of reading. Good luck  | |||
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" In what sense, 'comedy'? See above. I think you prove my point about Remainer abuse Just so we're 100% clear. Your definition of abuse is "see above", and your definition of reasoned debate is a tirade of incoherent insults? Meanwhile, you still seem to be suggesting that "remainers" are the only people who don't want raw sewage pumped into rivers. Don't you think that's a little simplistic and a little bit insulting to people who voted leave? We've tackled the water question further up the thread. The articles quoted didn't show what it was claimed they showed! But on a serious note, Leavers have been called knuckledraggers, racists, various 'phobes', mouth breathers, thugs, bigots etc It is such extreme language that I feel you have to assume it comes.. from arrogance, certainly, and probably from damaged minds. It's very rare you get a reasoned argument from a Remainer. They are so dismissive. Why is this so? Are you asking me why you have such a bizarre opinion of "remainers"? I don't know. I hope that can conclude this tangent. I am interested to know if any Tory voters feel like their party has made a poor choice by voting to allow this.Tory voter here and yes it was a very bad decision and frankly i would like to know why this vote went through.The one blessing is that in the next election an opposing party can say that if they get a majority they will reverse it something that you cant do with eu laws if you are in the eu. "The vote went through because the amendment didn't ban the use of stormdrain emptying, just asked the water companies to take all reasonable steps. Its quite obvious that the sewage and wastewater system needs a huge upgrade. Costings on this range upto £600 billion! Ferric Sulphate used to counter algae growth isn't in short supply, just a shortage of hgv drivers. | |||
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"Also - feel free to supply a list (or even a %) of the “EU laws” that were a part of our sovereign UK laws that the UK did not want as part of our laws. What was the proportion of UK laws that were actually “EU laws”? How many of those were actually bad for the UK and UK citizens? You clearly don't understand how EU Directives work. Embarrassing for someone who claims to understand the EU. Nigel Farage claimed 70% of UK law was actually EU law. The House of Commons library said the actual figure was 67% If you really want to understand this further you have to find which 'competences' have been handed to the EU... invariably without public awareness. That will help you grasp how the EU works Then you won't have to feign worry about nonsenses like further up the thread Without public awareness is a great phrase, it didn't negatively impact them. Until the likes of Fartage realised he could make a few quid out of it But he was correct, wasn't he? The HoC library confirmed it And once again, the Remainers were wrong...and all they have left is futile anger and childish abuse "From HoC library "Who is right? In short, neither of them [farage and clegg] is right" "Where did Nigel Farage’s assertion come from? This is unclear." "Conclusion All measurements have their problems and it is possible to justify any measure between 15% and 55% or thereabouts" ... So I'm seeing the opposite of Hoc confiring it here... https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/how-much-legislation-comes-from-europe/ Which bit of the library is contradicting this ? | |||
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"You’re talking utter rubbish to suit your obvious political leaning. If you care to look it up there are reason why this is happening. It’s mainly due to the way sewage water and excess rain water is dealt with using some pipe work going back to Victorian days. The alternative is foul water being pumped back into your property. Alternatively you could stick a cork in your arse " Sorry to say you are wasting your time mate, i tried pointing out the issues with the water yesterday and how this has been the case for years and that it also happens in EU states but they don't comment, they just carry on with the same old lines. | |||
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