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"Deploy insulate Britain on a global tour (via bike of course) See how they like it then " deffo, i would chip in just to see the outcome of them sitting on motorways in china and russia.  | |||
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"Was sitting here watching the tv Chanel 4 and thinking we are fucked!!!! With all of the biggest polluters refusing to cooperate with each other even if the uk was capable and did go 100% green it would be like pissing in the ocean as regards change
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"Was sitting here watching the tv Chanel 4 and thinking we are fucked!!!! With all of the biggest polluters refusing to cooperate with each other even if the uk was capable and did go 100% green it would be like pissing in the ocean as regards change
crazy ain't it, we don’t deserve the world we live in as a species. "Perhaps a stop on the ridiculous levels of over population would help??? | |||
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"Was sitting here watching the tv Chanel 4 and thinking we are fucked!!!! With all of the biggest polluters refusing to cooperate with each other even if the uk was capable and did go 100% green it would be like pissing in the ocean as regards change
crazy ain't it, we don’t deserve the world we live in as a species.
Perhaps a stop on the ridiculous levels of over population would help???"Totally agree with you there mate, its certainly one of the main reasons we are in this mess, yet funny enough never gets spoken about. | |||
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"The UK is responsible for 0.9% of global emissions, and is contemplating spending trillions on reducing that figure. China is responsible for 27%, and has plans for 43 new coal power stations. Whilst not downplaying our part in reducing climate change, it just makes you wonder why we bother! " Without china, Russia, USA and some the other big boys really doing something about there levels we are literally pissing in the wind in the UK. | |||
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"The UK is responsible for 0.9% of global emissions, and is contemplating spending trillions on reducing that figure. China is responsible for 27%, and has plans for 43 new coal power stations. Whilst not downplaying our part in reducing climate change, it just makes you wonder why we bother! Without china, Russia, USA and some the other big boys really doing something about there levels we are literally pissing in the wind in the UK." If the country's that want change actually worked together and set minimum standards for the goods that they buy for China , then there will be changes | |||
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"Cancel it. We don't want to go back to the 1950s" You mean the good old days  | |||
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"Cancel it. We don't want to go back to the 1950s You mean the good old days "For you maybe. Why would you want to go backwards to no cars, cold houses and no flights... that's what these 'greens' want. This will all blow up in their faces when people realise who will have to pay. Cancel it now | |||
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"Was sitting here watching the tv Chanel 4 and thinking we are fucked!!!! With all of the biggest polluters refusing to cooperate with each other even if the uk was capable and did go 100% green it would be like pissing in the ocean as regards change
crazy ain't it, we don’t deserve the world we live in as a species.
Perhaps a stop on the ridiculous levels of over population would help???"The worlds population is about 3 times more than when was a kid and its not slowing down. It's very rare it's ever mentioned, if you cut pollution by half and the population doubles, your back to square one. | |||
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"Cancel it. We don't want to go back to the 1950s" Says the Brexitter trying to achieve just that | |||
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"Cancel it. We don't want to go back to the 1950s Says the Brexitter trying to achieve just that" You're completely wrong. That's your own prejudice speaking. Brexiteers want to go forward. It's the climate change supporters (you?) who want to impoverish people | |||
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"The UK is responsible for 0.9% of global emissions, and is contemplating spending trillions on reducing that figure. China is responsible for 27%, and has plans for 43 new coal power stations. Whilst not downplaying our part in reducing climate change, it just makes you wonder why we bother! " Because it's the right thing to do - and even our current government realise it. Unfortunately, the UK has no actual influence over China, India, Russia and the USA - why would it? They'll do what they're going to do according to their own timetable - particularly the USA, India and China - because they have large enough economies and populations to ride out the worst climate change has to offer. Sadly, by the time they get their shit together, the Third World will be larger than it is just now - the bits of it that are still habitable, anyway. They're trying to "Keep 1.5 Alive" - we're at 1.1 just now and it's not great. Even worse, what's currently being done won't have the world below 2.0 by the turn of the century. As JMK said: "The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." | |||
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"The UK is responsible for 0.9% of global emissions, and is contemplating spending trillions on reducing that figure. China is responsible for 27%, and has plans for 43 new coal power stations. Whilst not downplaying our part in reducing climate change, it just makes you wonder why we bother! Because it's the right thing to do - and even our current government realise it. Unfortunately, the UK has no actual influence over China, India, Russia and the USA - why would it? They'll do what they're going to do according to their own timetable - particularly the USA, India and China - because they have large enough economies and populations to ride out the worst climate change has to offer. Sadly, by the time they get their shit together, the Third World will be larger than it is just now - the bits of it that are still habitable, anyway. They're trying to "Keep 1.5 Alive" - we're at 1.1 just now and it's not great. Even worse, what's currently being done won't have the world below 2.0 by the turn of the century. As JMK said: "The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones."" There is an influence that the UK can have on serial polluters. Hit their economies. Refuse to buy products from them, until they modify. Another influence, is to withdraw all our offshore emissions. And by that, I mean close our factories in those countries. JCB could bring manufacture back from China, the Germans could bring back their Bosch factory etc. Radical maybe but this is the time for radicalism. | |||
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"The UK is responsible for 0.9% of global emissions, and is contemplating spending trillions on reducing that figure. China is responsible for 27%, and has plans for 43 new coal power stations. Whilst not downplaying our part in reducing climate change, it just makes you wonder why we bother! Because it's the right thing to do - and even our current government realise it. Unfortunately, the UK has no actual influence over China, India, Russia and the USA - why would it? They'll do what they're going to do according to their own timetable - particularly the USA, India and China - because they have large enough economies and populations to ride out the worst climate change has to offer. Sadly, by the time they get their shit together, the Third World will be larger than it is just now - the bits of it that are still habitable, anyway. They're trying to "Keep 1.5 Alive" - we're at 1.1 just now and it's not great. Even worse, what's currently being done won't have the world below 2.0 by the turn of the century. As JMK said: "The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." There is an influence that the UK can have on serial polluters. Hit their economies. Refuse to buy products from them, until they modify. Another influence, is to withdraw all our offshore emissions. And by that, I mean close our factories in those countries. JCB could bring manufacture back from China, the Germans could bring back their Bosch factory etc. Radical maybe but this is the time for radicalism. " I don’t think they will close factories but I agree that unless they use clean power then products not allowed in . We have limits on local content (or did in the eu ) why not use those similar rules on being able to sell here . We would be fucked on Christmas tat TVs iPhones and micro chips for a while but Europe has the ability to manufacture so why not?? Radical is needed not just more chat . We are under the thumb of China economically as we have given them our wealth. We have to clean the world up and stop the wealth disappearing to a country that doesn’t care. | |||
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"I wonder what effect this will have on children's mental health its a constant rhetoric 24 hours a day "Last chance to save the planet" etc etc. I can remember as a child going to bed thinking about a nuclear war when they used to show what to do in the event of a nuclear attack adverts on the tv.The coverage was nothing like this 24 hour coverage children are bombarded with these days." I remember those adverts . Get in the hallway hide under a mattress for a few weeks with a bottle of water . The house would be vaporised by a nuclear weapon but that mattress would save you. | |||
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"I wonder what effect this will have on children's mental health its a constant rhetoric 24 hours a day "Last chance to save the planet" etc etc. I can remember as a child going to bed thinking about a nuclear war when they used to show what to do in the event of a nuclear attack adverts on the tv.The coverage was nothing like this 24 hour coverage children are bombarded with these days. I remember those adverts . Get in the hallway hide under a mattress for a few weeks with a bottle of water . The house would be vaporised by a nuclear weapon but that mattress would save you. "yeah whitewash your windows never mind you wont have any food or water. | |||
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"Was sitting here watching the tv Chanel 4 and thinking we are fucked!!!! With all of the biggest polluters refusing to cooperate with each other even if the uk was capable and did go 100% green it would be like pissing in the ocean as regards change
crazy ain't it, we don’t deserve the world we live in as a species.
Perhaps a stop on the ridiculous levels of over population would help???
The worlds population is about 3 times more than when was a kid and its not slowing down. It's very rare it's ever mentioned, if you cut pollution by half and the population doubles, your back to square one.
Over population is a subject politicians don’t like talking about , think there was 1 billion people in the world 120 years ago now 8 billion obviously causing so much more pollution
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"People need to stop jumping on aeroplanes ect for holidays but they will not do that because we have all become too self entitled. Just look at what happened when all flights were grounded how fast did nature start reverting and repairing! It’s not the whole answer but it just goes to show things are possible it only if governments have the balls to shut down big businesses who are the main polluters. And as someone has already said stop buying crap that we really don’t need from China. " can you imagine the outcry if a government said no more foreign travel they wouldn't last long this country will never become a dictatorship. | |||
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"People need to stop jumping on aeroplanes ect for holidays but they will not do that because we have all become too self entitled. Just look at what happened when all flights were grounded how fast did nature start reverting and repairing! It’s not the whole answer but it just goes to show things are possible it only if governments have the balls to shut down big businesses who are the main polluters. And as someone has already said stop buying crap that we really don’t need from China. " "Just look at what happened when all flights were grounded how fast did nature start reverting and repairing!" I'd admire your optimism truly. But did nature really revert after less than 3months of barely a lockdown in a few countries.? Or did we all like a few sunny photos that would have happened anyway. Steel / Concrete / power continued as normal...and on comparison to our cars they contribute about 1000 times more. Car movements are a drop in the ocean. To what really causes pollution. But the narrative and commercialism doesn't like the reality so we tinker round the edges with new things that can stimulate the economy and we can be mugged into believing. | |||
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"Anybody else getting sick of the doom monger headlines? Just now on BBC... "we are digging our own graves".... Every hour its more of the same.. "we're all doomed and gonna die" nonsense. Imagine you're a 10 to 14 year old kid for one moment... Have a jab or die... Do something or die... Don't do anything and die .. Its amazing any of them can get our of bed in the morning. At the same time as we have to do something right now or die headlines...the very next one is "Ryan Air drop prices to stimulate demand".... China and America create twice as much damage as all others put together.... Germany by a long way the biggest polluter in Europe... None of those are going to do anything meaningful and even if we cut ours in the UK to an impossible 50 per cent lower than today... Its like a gnat on an elephant. Carbon neutral flights / cars ? Seriously who believes that shite. If any of them were close to true the planets forests would be growing and not shrinking.... It's comical flying 25k people all around the world to talk about pollution. " Exactly the point i was trying to make in an earlier thread.It seems being lockdown with your family has had a detrimental effect on childrens health but telling them 24 hours a day you are all going to die and its your fault doesnt. | |||
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"Was sitting here watching the tv Chanel 4 and thinking we are fucked!!!! With all of the biggest polluters refusing to cooperate with each other even if the uk was capable and did go 100% green it would be like pissing in the ocean as regards change
crazy ain't it, we don’t deserve the world we live in as a species.
Perhaps a stop on the ridiculous levels of over population would help???
The worlds population is about 3 times more than when was a kid and its not slowing down. It's very rare it's ever mentioned, if you cut pollution by half and the population doubles, your back to square one.
"Not entirely. It's much more nuanced than that. You have to take into account per capita CO2 production. Your average American is responsible for about 20 tonnes per person, whilst the average Chinese citizen does about 4.6 tonnes. Poorer African countries generally don't even get to half a tonne per person. The UK is around 10 tonnes. So it does depend somewhat on where that population growth is occurring. It does seem that the onus is much more on the Western democracies to lead the way. | |||
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"Cancel it. We don't want to go back to the 1950s" The 1950s will look like a paradise compared to the world in 30-40 years if we don't get things under some degree of control. I get that very sadly some people don't care about that. | |||
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Everyone is just making excuses not to do anything as even 2050 is too late
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How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich."Lol! You're back at it. Love it. Why don't you learn about climate change though? It would give you an advantage when discussing it. | |||
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"Cancel it. We don't want to go back to the 1950s You mean the good old days
For you maybe. Why would you want to go backwards to no cars, cold houses and no flights... that's what these 'greens' want.
This will all blow up in their faces when people realise who will have to pay.
Cancel it now"Simple fact is that our current model is unsustainable. The masses were never going to get the freedoms (low cost travel), cheap good and services for long. A generation or two at most. Trust is all the chap tat we have been consuming for decades is not fully paid for: pollution, energy, labour is all offset through arbitrage or simply not paid for. You can only kick the can down the road for so long. And we’ve run out of road. Prices will go up…. WAY up. Consumption will go down. Well, either that or we cut the world's population in 1/2. But I think we’ve left it too late. Politicians are weak and cowardly and most of us (yep me too), are too selfish to make the bug hard choices unless we are compelled to. I'm ok with mother nature eventually giving the planet a big reset and let evolution have another go. Earth has another 2 or 3 billion years left before the sun boils away the oceans so enough time for a more evolved and deserving species to make a go of it. | |||
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"It's going to cost trillions of pounds (3tn I think) to upgrade the National Grid for all this nonsense £100,000 per family. Guess who'll pay? They're also trying to price us out if our cars, homes, holidays and heating. It's all about tax. Nothing to do with climate. Back to the 1950s with these big-state loons" Do you have a link to these numbers? 100k is about 1/8 of what the ‘average family’ pays in tax in a lifetime! | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Lol!
You're back at it. Love it.
Why don't you learn about climate change though? It would give you an advantage when discussing it. "I get you! You believe everything you're told! I bet you believed Prince Charles back in 2009 when he said there were 8 years to save the world. What happened? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Lol!
You're back at it. Love it.
Why don't you learn about climate change though? It would give you an advantage when discussing it.
I get you! You believe everything you're told! I bet you believed Prince Charles back in 2009 when he said there were 8 years to save the world. What happened?"Okay, if you learn and understand about climate change, it removes the requirement to "believe". Anyone can know and understand the science, it's not all that complicated. Well worth reading up on. Just to be completely clear. Your lack of understanding, is not evidence that climate change isn't happening. | |||
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"Deploy insulate Britain on a global tour (via bike of course) See how they like it then " To be fair, Insulate Britain have a fairly focused message that is evident in their name. Can’t see a group that is trying to get the U.K. Government to efficiently insulate all U.K. homes to garner much interest outside of the U.K. | |||
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"And what happened to the prediction in 1988 that the Maldives would vanish under water by 2018?" Case closed then. No need to do anything. | |||
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"And what happened to the prediction in 1988 that the Maldives would vanish under water by 2018? Case closed then. No need to do anything. "Do you get the feeling that the global warmers are lying? | |||
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"And what happened to the prediction in 1988 that the Maldives would vanish under water by 2018?" It's really interesting to see how easily some people are distracted and conned. Presumably someone somewhere said something about the Maldives being at risk of rising sea levels. And this worst case scenario not happening being some kind of proof that all of the peer reviewed, replicatable, demonstrable science that was conducted independently, being made up. I don't mean to pick on you buddy, just make a good case study. You're so convinced that it's some kind of conspiracy to grow more trees, or whatever you believ, that you refuse to even learn the basics. | |||
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"And what happened to the prediction in 1988 that the Maldives would vanish under water by 2018? Case closed then. No need to do anything.
Do you get the feeling that the global warmers are lying?"No, you can read the science and learn. Or of course you can stay angry and confused. It's 100% your choice. It's happening regardless. | |||
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"And what happened to the prediction in 1988 that the Maldives would vanish under water by 2018? It's really interesting to see how easily some people are distracted and conned. Presumably someone somewhere said something about the Maldives being at risk of rising sea levels. And this worst case scenario not happening being some kind of proof that all of the peer reviewed, replicatable, demonstrable science that was conducted independently, being made up. I don't mean to pick on you buddy, just make a good case study. You're so convinced that it's some kind of conspiracy to grow more trees, or whatever you believ, that you refuse to even learn the basics. " I won't pick on you either but you need to make a case, other than what Prince Charles etc says. He's not so bright. And haven't there been other lies told about warming, cooling etc Don't believe everything that you're told! | |||
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"And what happened to the prediction in 1988 that the Maldives would vanish under water by 2018? It's really interesting to see how easily some people are distracted and conned. Presumably someone somewhere said something about the Maldives being at risk of rising sea levels. And this worst case scenario not happening being some kind of proof that all of the peer reviewed, replicatable, demonstrable science that was conducted independently, being made up. I don't mean to pick on you buddy, just make a good case study. You're so convinced that it's some kind of conspiracy to grow more trees, or whatever you believ, that you refuse to even learn the basics. I won't pick on you either but you need to make a case, other than what Prince Charles etc says. He's not so bright. And haven't there been other lies told about warming, cooling etc Don't believe everything that you're told!" Not sure why prince Charles is causing you so much confusion. Again, you don't need to believe anything you're told. Learn and understand, when you understand what's happening, you don't need to believe anyone. Is there any reason why you don't want to learn about it? If there was a subject I had strong opinions on, I would learn about it. | |||
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"And what happened to the prediction in 1988 that the Maldives would vanish under water by 2018? Case closed then. No need to do anything.
Do you get the feeling that the global warmers are lying?"Seriously? Er, no. They may have got a few things wrong. But you’d have to be blind not to see the differences today from 20 and even 5 years ago. | |||
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"How many deaths caused by cold are acceptable to the global warming enthusiasts?" What's a "global warming enthusiast", is it someone who understands climate change? In which case, the number of people who die of cold is not related to climate change. So I would imagine that people who understand, and people who don't understand, have the same opinion. | |||
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"How many deaths caused by cold are acceptable to the global warming enthusiasts? What's a "global warming enthusiast", is it someone who understands climate change? In which case, the number of people who die of cold is not related to climate change. So I would imagine that people who understand, and people who don't understand, have the same opinion." Fuel poverty? Forced by taxes for the frauds. How much fuel poverty is acceptable to keep the narrative going? | |||
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"And Al Gore's claim of polar bears disappearing when their numbers are increasing. Still, 30,000 freeloaders in Glasgow can't all be Wong "This post is factually inaccurate. You seem to be growing more angry and confused by the minute. There is a good resource, climatefeedback. It's a .org site. It has climate scientists reviewing claims and reports in the media about climate change. It will help you to understand what's accurate, what's not accurate, and why. | |||
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"How many deaths caused by cold are acceptable to the global warming enthusiasts? What's a "global warming enthusiast", is it someone who understands climate change? In which case, the number of people who die of cold is not related to climate change. So I would imagine that people who understand, and people who don't understand, have the same opinion. Fuel poverty? Forced by taxes for the frauds. How much fuel poverty is acceptable to keep the narrative going?" Okay I see what you have done. You seem to be confusing policy with climate science. | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now" Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand." What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you?" Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is "Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts. If I'm wrong, tell me in what way? | |||
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"The UK is responsible for 0.9% of global emissions, and is contemplating spending trillions on reducing that figure. China is responsible for 27%, and has plans for 43 new coal power stations. Whilst not downplaying our part in reducing climate change, it just makes you wonder why we bother! Because it's the right thing to do - and even our current government realise it. Unfortunately, the UK has no actual influence over China, India, Russia and the USA - why would it? They'll do what they're going to do according to their own timetable - particularly the USA, India and China - because they have large enough economies and populations to ride out the worst climate change has to offer. Sadly, by the time they get their shit together, the Third World will be larger than it is just now - the bits of it that are still habitable, anyway. They're trying to "Keep 1.5 Alive" - we're at 1.1 just now and it's not great. Even worse, what's currently being done won't have the world below 2.0 by the turn of the century. As JMK said: "The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." There is an influence that the UK can have on serial polluters. Hit their economies. Refuse to buy products from them, until they modify. Another influence, is to withdraw all our offshore emissions. And by that, I mean close our factories in those countries. JCB could bring manufacture back from China, the Germans could bring back their Bosch factory etc. Radical maybe but this is the time for radicalism. " I think you're overestimating the impact the UK doing all that would actually have - not least of all, on the UK. Like it or not, it's a global economy and the UK's is 80% service based. The rest of tge world can get what we don't want to sell them anymore, elsewhere. What you suggest would be stopping competing with the rest of the world for sales - and they'd love it. | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?"I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community. Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start. The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere. These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do. The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat. | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
"I'm not saying that science isn't real. I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above. It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
I'm not saying that science isn't real.
I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above.
It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped"I don't think you need to worry about one or two people who interpret the science one way or the other. Stick to the facts and don't get distracted by the media and propaganda put out and funded by the fossil fuels industry. Their main tactic is to introduce doubt into people's minds about what's happening with all the distraction you mentioned above. Something prince Charles once said is not related in any way to the world needing to come together to solve this before we go past the point of no return. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich."Yep. Exactly. And everyone's lapping it up buying new "carbon neutral" product to replace their old product which is going to landfill... | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Lol!
You're back at it. Love it.
Why don't you learn about climate change though? It would give you an advantage when discussing it.
I get you! You believe everything you're told! I bet you believed Prince Charles back in 2009 when he said there were 8 years to save the world. What happened?
Okay, if you learn and understand about climate change, it removes the requirement to "believe".
Anyone can know and understand the science, it's not all that complicated. Well worth reading up on.
Just to be completely clear. Your lack of understanding, is not evidence that climate change isn't happening."No doubt its happening. Its the delusion we can do anything to change it and that all options require investing in new products that is disingenuous. And the delusion that changing a few lightbulbs to "energy saving" is going to make any difference at all whilst China builds a new coal power station a day... There's a lack of honesty...its really how we live with the weather and pollution that is something we can do something about. | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
I'm not saying that science isn't real.
I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above.
It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped
I don't think you need to worry about one or two people who interpret the science one way or the other. Stick to the facts and don't get distracted by the media and propaganda put out and funded by the fossil fuels industry.
Their main tactic is to introduce doubt into people's minds about what's happening with all the distraction you mentioned above. Something prince Charles once said is not related in any way to the world needing to come together to solve this before we go past the point of no return. "Could you account for the frauds I outlined above such as the hockey stick,hurricanes etc? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich."Collateral damage? “We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference? Is everything a wealth transfer scam? | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
I'm not saying that science isn't real.
I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above.
It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped
I don't think you need to worry about one or two people who interpret the science one way or the other. Stick to the facts and don't get distracted by the media and propaganda put out and funded by the fossil fuels industry.
Their main tactic is to introduce doubt into people's minds about what's happening with all the distraction you mentioned above. Something prince Charles once said is not related in any way to the world needing to come together to solve this before we go past the point of no return.
Could you account for the frauds I outlined above such as the hockey stick,hurricanes etc?"No clue what you're banging on about hockey sticks. You'll have to be more specific. And what's your confusion about hurricanes? And what does any of this have to do with climate change? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?"With climate change? Yes. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes."It is, but not the way you think. The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion. | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
I'm not saying that science isn't real.
I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above.
It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped
I don't think you need to worry about one or two people who interpret the science one way or the other. Stick to the facts and don't get distracted by the media and propaganda put out and funded by the fossil fuels industry.
Their main tactic is to introduce doubt into people's minds about what's happening with all the distraction you mentioned above. Something prince Charles once said is not related in any way to the world needing to come together to solve this before we go past the point of no return.
Could you account for the frauds I outlined above such as the hockey stick,hurricanes etc?
No clue what you're banging on about hockey sticks. You'll have to be more specific.
And what's your confusion about hurricanes?
And what does any of this have to do with climate change?"Are you serious? | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
I'm not saying that science isn't real.
I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above.
It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped
I don't think you need to worry about one or two people who interpret the science one way or the other. Stick to the facts and don't get distracted by the media and propaganda put out and funded by the fossil fuels industry.
Their main tactic is to introduce doubt into people's minds about what's happening with all the distraction you mentioned above. Something prince Charles once said is not related in any way to the world needing to come together to solve this before we go past the point of no return.
Could you account for the frauds I outlined above such as the hockey stick,hurricanes etc?
No clue what you're banging on about hockey sticks. You'll have to be more specific.
And what's your confusion about hurricanes?
And what does any of this have to do with climate change?
Are you serious?"Am I serious about not knowing what specific nonsense you're confused about? Yes. That's correct. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion. "Any evidence for that? | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
I'm not saying that science isn't real.
I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above.
It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped
I don't think you need to worry about one or two people who interpret the science one way or the other. Stick to the facts and don't get distracted by the media and propaganda put out and funded by the fossil fuels industry.
Their main tactic is to introduce doubt into people's minds about what's happening with all the distraction you mentioned above. Something prince Charles once said is not related in any way to the world needing to come together to solve this before we go past the point of no return.
Could you account for the frauds I outlined above such as the hockey stick,hurricanes etc?
No clue what you're banging on about hockey sticks. You'll have to be more specific.
And what's your confusion about hurricanes?
And what does any of this have to do with climate change?
Are you serious?
Am I serious about not knowing what specific nonsense you're confused about?
Yes. That's correct. "You've never heard of the Michael Mann hockey stick? The UEA trickery? The lies about hurricanes? Wow | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?"Yes. The vast wealth of the fossil fuels industry, plus the misleading, out of context, fake science they sponsor. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?"None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light. There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely. | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
I'm not saying that science isn't real.
I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above.
It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped
I don't think you need to worry about one or two people who interpret the science one way or the other. Stick to the facts and don't get distracted by the media and propaganda put out and funded by the fossil fuels industry.
Their main tactic is to introduce doubt into people's minds about what's happening with all the distraction you mentioned above. Something prince Charles once said is not related in any way to the world needing to come together to solve this before we go past the point of no return.
Could you account for the frauds I outlined above such as the hockey stick,hurricanes etc?
No clue what you're banging on about hockey sticks. You'll have to be more specific.
And what's your confusion about hurricanes?
And what does any of this have to do with climate change?
Are you serious?
Am I serious about not knowing what specific nonsense you're confused about?
Yes. That's correct.
You've never heard of the Michael Mann hockey stick?
The UEA trickery?
The lies about hurricanes?
Wow"I don't read conspiracy websites. As detailed above, I'm interested in the science. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely. "Joe lycett v shell was an interesting and informative watch | |||
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"There's an awful lot of emperors new clothes being peddled " Are they made of sustainably sourced, organic materials or polyester? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
Joe lycett v shell was an interesting and informative watch"The case of steven donziger explains it all. | |||
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"There's an awful lot of emperors new clothes being peddled Are they made of sustainably sourced, organic materials or polyester? " No but they say they are carbon neutral so that's all OK. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely. "And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits? How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth? | |||
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"And how we worried when we were told that British children wouldn't know what snow was. How we laugh now Are you on a wind up? Surely no one is this confused about, what is a very basic concept to understand. What's hard to grasp about that? You've seen snow recently haven't you? Anyway, you seem determined to stay ignorant on the subject. There really is no reason you can't learn about it, there's plenty of resources out there. So I'll leave you to your wind up, or your confusion, whichever it is
Maybe it's you that is ignorant of the facts.
If I'm wrong, tell me in what way?
I'm not telling you any facts. You appear to be arguing that science isn't real. You'll need to take that up with the world's scientific community.
Pretty much everything you said is inaccurate, out of context and/or irrelevant. It's hard to know where to start.
The basics are. Human activity releases carbon dioxide, methane and other compounds into the atmosphere.
These molecules turn sunlight energy into heat energy at a greater rate than oxygen, nitrogen and other atmospheric gasses do.
The more CO2, CH4 etc that we put into the atmosphere, the more sunlight is turned into heat.
I'm not saying that science isn't real.
I'm saying that there are some people who are corrupting it. Look at the examples above.
It would be great if these corrupt people were stopped
I don't think you need to worry about one or two people who interpret the science one way or the other. Stick to the facts and don't get distracted by the media and propaganda put out and funded by the fossil fuels industry.
Their main tactic is to introduce doubt into people's minds about what's happening with all the distraction you mentioned above. Something prince Charles once said is not related in any way to the world needing to come together to solve this before we go past the point of no return.
Could you account for the frauds I outlined above such as the hockey stick,hurricanes etc?
No clue what you're banging on about hockey sticks. You'll have to be more specific.
And what's your confusion about hurricanes?
And what does any of this have to do with climate change?
Are you serious?
Am I serious about not knowing what specific nonsense you're confused about?
Yes. That's correct.
You've never heard of the Michael Mann hockey stick?
The UEA trickery?
The lies about hurricanes?
Wow
I don't read conspiracy websites. As detailed above, I'm interested in the science. "You say you're not into conspiracy websites and so you aren't aware of UEA trickery, the hockey stick cheating etc. Hmm. Do you realise that these are accepted facts. Not conspiracies. It's good that you're not into 'conspiracy websites'...but you're not even into knowledge websites | |||
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"China not turning up, Russia not turning up...no surprise but what is the UN going to? Nowt " China and Russia have turned up, although Xi Jining and Putin are not there, they could have refused to send anyone. It is China's best interest to be present as where are the majority of solar panels, batteries and inverters that we in the West are going to need? COP26 might be better by not hearing the BS being force fed us by leaders bigging up the very little they've done already. Johnson needs to look closer to home before demanding developing countries stop polluting. To fly back to London instead if the trains after his preaching is a joke. We need more domestic and commercial solar, more battery storage and reduction of demand on the Grid for a start. How many government or Council buildings do you see with panels on the roof. The carbon footprint of Biden's Fleet of C17's escorting Air Force One plus his motorcade - maybe better for the climate if NO leaders turned up and left it to delegates. They all flew into Rome, then flew to Glasgow and then flying home. Hardly a green summit is it!!! | |||
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"The UK is responsible for 0.9% of global emissions, and is contemplating spending trillions on reducing that figure. China is responsible for 27%, and has plans for 43 new coal power stations. Whilst not downplaying our part in reducing climate change, it just makes you wonder why we bother! " China has a massive population & on average their co2 emissions per person is almost half that of a UK person & don't forget who they are manufacturering for...the richer west India is the same. The west is responsible because it has been shown that the more money a person has the more they pollute, most of that belonging to the west & it was our ideas of capitalism & consumerism that drove this mess, not China, not India. They (in history) were ther ones trampled upon for our wants of more & more greed. | |||
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"The UK is responsible for 0.9% of global emissions, and is contemplating spending trillions on reducing that figure. China is responsible for 27%, and has plans for 43 new coal power stations. Whilst not downplaying our part in reducing climate change, it just makes you wonder why we bother! " We also have a responsibility fir the trillion of tonnes the UK has emitted over the last 200 years, Germany for the colossal amount of CO2 generated during WW2 then Britain and its Allies fighting back. The amount of fuel burnt flying fighters and bombers between us is staggering, all leaving residual damage to the atmosphere. 24/7 patrols over the Atlantic by NATO and USSR during and after the cold War, Iraq war, Afghan war and many others. Training flights, commercial flights, 50 years of coal generation here followed by gas. The West owes reparation to the rest of the World so taking 0.9% as of today doesn't take into consideration of yesterday's cheap fuel, oil and gas. Many of you won't remember the Acid Rains we sent in plumes to Scandinavia, the smogs of the 70s because WE were burning dirty coal, so why should we expect them to fix our planet without some kind of support. There are 1.3billion people in India at 1.91 tonnes per cap, 1.4billion in China at 7.4 tonnes per cap. If you are not happy with emissions from China, stop buying products made there! An average American home uses 4x the electric we do here, most of it for Air Conditioners. Do we gave the right to tell others they can't have comfort? Both India and China will catch up, no doubt but between them to support 3billion people, they need help if WE want them to reduce. A lot will happen between now and 2070, mainly cheaper Wind and Solar and the Holy Grail of fusion. At least both India and China have made commitments and not taken a screw you attitude towards us. The UK and other wealthy countries reducing to zero will at least lesser the damage while other countries 'peak'. Our fossil fuel Party is over, Hopefully those catching up will find other options cheaper and viable while catching up. Shall we pull down the Statues of James Watt, Étienne Lenoir, Nicolaus Otto who got us into this mess. Rudolp Diesel is exempt as he invented his Diesel engine to run on peanut oil until someone with interests in the oil industry threw him into the English channel. If that hadn't have happened, we'd be driving on biodiesel today. People and the planet are suffering for we have done so hypocrisy to lay blame wholly on them. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?"Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year. Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused. | |||
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"If people stop buying cheap shite from China and India they would not make it "Is McDonald's still giving away single use plastic fantastic? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
"Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are? | |||
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"If people stop buying cheap shite from China and India they would not make it
Is McDonald's still giving away single use plastic fantastic?"Yup and people still buying it | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
"Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept. There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
"You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'. Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds. The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though"Okay. This is utterly pointless. If you refuse to even learn the bare minimum to discuss the topic, you may as well blame aliens. Feel free to continue to believe any fairy tales you wish. If trying to ridicule people who choose to learn about climate change brings you joy. Fair play to you, but it's not in the slightest bit interesting. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Okay. This is utterly pointless. If you refuse to even learn the bare minimum to discuss the topic, you may as well blame aliens.
Feel free to continue to believe any fairy tales you wish.
If trying to ridicule people who choose to learn about climate change brings you joy. Fair play to you, but it's not in the slightest bit interesting."I think you've bought into every lie going. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Okay. This is utterly pointless. If you refuse to even learn the bare minimum to discuss the topic, you may as well blame aliens.
Feel free to continue to believe any fairy tales you wish.
If trying to ridicule people who choose to learn about climate change brings you joy. Fair play to you, but it's not in the slightest bit interesting.
I think you've bought into every lie going."Lol. Are you familiar with the term "agnorant"? - "People who are extremely ignorant, yet are simultaneously extremely arrogant. Example, people who think they know more about science than scientists". | |||
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A company burning biomass (dried trees) and saying because the trees don’t come from the uk the carbon emitted does not count
It’s beyond ridiculous | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though"Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic? | |||
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"What would happen if all 40m vehicles in the UK would be replaced by electric vehicles.? What would be the net impact on the "climate change" or carbon footprint? Or all 300 million of them in Europe? " As it stands today apparently not that much if a saving if at all. The batteries manufacture consumes huge amounts of fossil fuels which equate to a medium size battery car only catching up with a two litre petrol on emissions after 3-4 years of use. If the batteries need replacing in that time or shortly after the difference disappears . Battery technology needs to move on a lot before we make real inroads. Also the biggest manufacturers of batteries Germany and China need clean power generation. Or as hopefully happening we make our own which would be much better. | |||
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"Watching ch4 last night and seeing all of the scams these big companies use to justify operating the way they do is soul destroying
A company burning biomass (dried trees) and saying because the trees don’t come from the uk the carbon emitted does not count
It’s beyond ridiculous "And there's one of the many issues. Creating rules to stimulate tax take or their own economies, whilst trying to find loopholes so they can fuck up the 3rd world even more... Carbon levies and carbon neutral being 2 glorious examples.... Its like having a shit in your own lounge carpet and planting a rose Bush in your neighbours garden. | |||
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"If people stop buying cheap shite from China and India they would not make it "The worrying thing is China no longer relies on manufacturing our cheap shite. They now build a lot of the worlds critical tech so we are fucked until we invest at home. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Okay. This is utterly pointless. If you refuse to even learn the bare minimum to discuss the topic, you may as well blame aliens.
Feel free to continue to believe any fairy tales you wish.
If trying to ridicule people who choose to learn about climate change brings you joy. Fair play to you, but it's not in the slightest bit interesting.
I think you've bought into every lie going.
Lol.
Are you familiar with the term "agnorant"?
- "People who are extremely ignorant, yet are simultaneously extremely arrogant. Example, people who think they know more about science than scientists".
"Yourself maybe? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic? "Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads | |||
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"Then again, many people are convinced the Earth is flat and the Volcano in La Palma is a conspiracy. Iceland Volcano few years ago, flights across Europe grounded yet one directly sited on the winds covering the whole of Europe- not a peep and still flying. Money?" The EU later admitted that the flight ban prompted by the Icelandic volcano had been an overreaction | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads"Do you think COVID is a conspiracy? | |||
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"Then again, many people are convinced the Earth is flat and the Volcano in La Palma is a conspiracy. Iceland Volcano few years ago, flights across Europe grounded yet one directly sited on the winds covering the whole of Europe- not a peep and still flying. Money? The EU later admitted that the flight ban prompted by the Icelandic volcano had been an overreaction" Source? Also... better an overreaction when trying to avoid multiple planes dropping out of the sky. Surely. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy? "But I never said it was. There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like"Do you believe Covid is a conspiracy, yes or no? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Do you believe Covid is a conspiracy, yes or no? "Nothing to do with you. Do you? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like"Where do you stand on who built the pyramids? Aliens, or do you subscribe to the far left conspiracy that it was built by people? | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Where do you stand on who built the pyramids?
Aliens, or do you subscribe to the far left conspiracy that it was built by people?"Ha ha ha. Thin stuff! As soon as someone thinks differently to you you start abusing them as a conspiracy theorist. Sad stuff. You may disagree and that's fine. Then we can discuss. In good faith. Intelligently. I recommend it to you | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Where do you stand on who built the pyramids?
Aliens, or do you subscribe to the far left conspiracy that it was built by people?
Ha ha ha. Thin stuff! As soon as someone thinks differently to you you start abusing them as a conspiracy theorist. Sad stuff.
You may disagree and that's fine.
Then we can discuss. In good faith. Intelligently. I recommend it to you"Just to be clear. You've been abusing people left right and centre since I've been on the forums. People who think differently and who have valid opinions make excellent debating opponents. People who regurgitate utter bollocks from far right conspiracy sites, do not. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Where do you stand on who built the pyramids?
Aliens, or do you subscribe to the far left conspiracy that it was built by people?
Ha ha ha. Thin stuff! As soon as someone thinks differently to you you start abusing them as a conspiracy theorist. Sad stuff.
You may disagree and that's fine.
Then we can discuss. In good faith. Intelligently. I recommend it to you
Just to be clear. You've been abusing people left right and centre since I've been on the forums.
People who think differently and who have valid opinions make excellent debating opponents.
People who regurgitate utter bollocks from far right conspiracy sites, do not. "Who has abused you? No one. Yet you are the one doing the abusing... just look at your post of 2 mins ago. Now look at what I've written. Tell me what abuse I have given. You seem to confuse different opinions with abuse | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Where do you stand on who built the pyramids?
Aliens, or do you subscribe to the far left conspiracy that it was built by people?
Ha ha ha. Thin stuff! As soon as someone thinks differently to you you start abusing them as a conspiracy theorist. Sad stuff.
You may disagree and that's fine.
Then we can discuss. In good faith. Intelligently. I recommend it to you
Just to be clear. You've been abusing people left right and centre since I've been on the forums.
People who think differently and who have valid opinions make excellent debating opponents.
People who regurgitate utter bollocks from far right conspiracy sites, do not.
Who has abused you? No one. Yet you are the one doing the abusing... just look at your post of 2 mins ago.
Now look at what I've written. Tell me what abuse I have given.
You seem to confuse different opinions with abuse"Anyhows. Let's leave it with some information. No doubt you write it all off as "far left" loony liberal crap. Climate change is happening The earth is not flat Humans built the pyramids Brexit is not a good idea Covid is real I am in full agreement with the scientific consensus on all of these topics. Have a good evening. | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Where do you stand on who built the pyramids?
Aliens, or do you subscribe to the far left conspiracy that it was built by people?
Ha ha ha. Thin stuff! As soon as someone thinks differently to you you start abusing them as a conspiracy theorist. Sad stuff.
You may disagree and that's fine.
Then we can discuss. In good faith. Intelligently. I recommend it to you
Just to be clear. You've been abusing people left right and centre since I've been on the forums.
People who think differently and who have valid opinions make excellent debating opponents.
People who regurgitate utter bollocks from far right conspiracy sites, do not.
Who has abused you? No one. Yet you are the one doing the abusing... just look at your post of 2 mins ago.
Now look at what I've written. Tell me what abuse I have given.
You seem to confuse different opinions with abuse
Anyhows. Let's leave it with some information. No doubt you write it all off as "far left" loony liberal crap.
Climate change is happening
The earth is not flat
Humans built the pyramids
Brexit is not a good idea
Covid is real
I am in full agreement with the scientific consensus on all of these topics.
Have a good evening. "First things first. You accused me of abuse when all I have done is opposed your views. I have asked you for examples. I'm still waiting | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Where do you stand on who built the pyramids?
Aliens, or do you subscribe to the far left conspiracy that it was built by people?
Ha ha ha. Thin stuff! As soon as someone thinks differently to you you start abusing them as a conspiracy theorist. Sad stuff.
You may disagree and that's fine.
Then we can discuss. In good faith. Intelligently. I recommend it to you
Just to be clear. You've been abusing people left right and centre since I've been on the forums.
People who think differently and who have valid opinions make excellent debating opponents.
People who regurgitate utter bollocks from far right conspiracy sites, do not.
Who has abused you? No one. Yet you are the one doing the abusing... just look at your post of 2 mins ago.
Now look at what I've written. Tell me what abuse I have given.
You seem to confuse different opinions with abuse
Anyhows. Let's leave it with some information. No doubt you write it all off as "far left" loony liberal crap.
Climate change is happening
The earth is not flat
Humans built the pyramids
Brexit is not a good idea
Covid is real
I am in full agreement with the scientific consensus on all of these topics.
Have a good evening. "Really bad form. You throw abuse around and accuse others of having done so When challenged you disappear | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Do you believe Covid is a conspiracy, yes or no?
Nothing to do with you. Do you?"No, it’s definitely real and not a conspiracy, your refusal to answer confirms my suspicion, covid denier, climate change denier, Brexit supporter, full house | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Do you believe Covid is a conspiracy, yes or no?
Nothing to do with you. Do you?
No, it’s definitely real and not a conspiracy, your refusal to answer confirms my suspicion, covid denier, climate change denier, Brexit supporter, full house "A bit rich coming from you .. someone who thinks anything he is unaware of or doesn't like is evidence of a conspiracy
Your head must be spinning with it all | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else?" Yes ask Boris why he didn’t use a commercial flight or the train to Glasgow. Timing?? He manages holidays on a regular basis when the likes of damming Covid reports come our so a few extra hours waiting for a BA flight was no hardship. He could have waited in a fridge . He didn’t manage public flights last time to Scotland or Spain either.
The EU leader was doing a tour so the plane would have flown from Vienna to Bratislava ready for the next leg whether she was on board it or not. So better to use it. I do not defend the use on emissions grounds in any way, but the practical usage made sense if that’s you chosen mode of transport. Personally I think they all need condemning , however if you’re accusing then accuse all not just the select few. Boris is just another parasite. But you knew that.
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"Then again, many people are convinced the Earth is flat and the Volcano in La Palma is a conspiracy. Iceland Volcano few years ago, flights across Europe grounded yet one directly sited on the winds covering the whole of Europe- not a peep and still flying. Money? The EU later admitted that the flight ban prompted by the Icelandic volcano had been an overreaction" The EU or Ryanair? | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? Yes ask Boris why he didn’t use a commercial flight or the train to Glasgow. Timing?? He manages holidays on a regular basis when the likes of damming Covid reports come our so a few extra hours waiting for a BA flight was no hardship. He could have waited in a fridge . He didn’t manage public flights last time to Scotland or Spain either.
The EU leader was doing a tour so the plane would have flown from Vienna to Bratislava ready for the next leg whether she was on board it or not. So better to use it. I do not defend the use on emissions grounds in any way, but the practical usage made sense if that’s you chosen mode of transport. Personally I think they all need condemning , however if you’re accusing then accuse all not just the select few. Boris is just another parasite. But you knew that.
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"Boris has had at least 20 private jet flights since being in office. Many more not published as private flights. A lot provided by JCB. The worst known was the flight from Doncaster to Darlington 58 miles or 45 mins max on the train. Yes he cares about the environment. Well he cares but everyone else can do something as he likes his freebies too much to actually bother to cut his own. " Yes, the whole Net Zero thing is total nonsense. They don't even believe in it themselves. I hope there is a referendum | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? Yes ask Boris why he didn’t use a commercial flight or the train to Glasgow. Timing?? He manages holidays on a regular basis when the likes of damming Covid reports come our so a few extra hours waiting for a BA flight was no hardship. He could have waited in a fridge . He didn’t manage public flights last time to Scotland or Spain either.
The EU leader was doing a tour so the plane would have flown from Vienna to Bratislava ready for the next leg whether she was on board it or not. So better to use it. I do not defend the use on emissions grounds in any way, but the practical usage made sense if that’s you chosen mode of transport. Personally I think they all need condemning , however if you’re accusing then accuse all not just the select few. Boris is just another parasite. But you knew that.
All these 'greens' are idiots. Boris's Net Zero nonsense is going to provoke huge public reaction. Rightly so"Explain why greens are idiots? | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? Yes ask Boris why he didn’t use a commercial flight or the train to Glasgow. Timing?? He manages holidays on a regular basis when the likes of damming Covid reports come our so a few extra hours waiting for a BA flight was no hardship. He could have waited in a fridge . He didn’t manage public flights last time to Scotland or Spain either.
The EU leader was doing a tour so the plane would have flown from Vienna to Bratislava ready for the next leg whether she was on board it or not. So better to use it. I do not defend the use on emissions grounds in any way, but the practical usage made sense if that’s you chosen mode of transport. Personally I think they all need condemning , however if you’re accusing then accuse all not just the select few. Boris is just another parasite. But you knew that.
All these 'greens' are idiots. Boris's Net Zero nonsense is going to provoke huge public reaction. Rightly so
Explain why greens are idiots? "Put it this way: In Spain, each new 'green' job costs almost 500,000 euros to create. For each new 'green' job created, 4 (it might be 3) jobs in the proper economy are destroyed. I'm sure the economics are very similar in the UK. Expli why these people aren't idiots | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? Yes ask Boris why he didn’t use a commercial flight or the train to Glasgow. Timing?? He manages holidays on a regular basis when the likes of damming Covid reports come our so a few extra hours waiting for a BA flight was no hardship. He could have waited in a fridge . He didn’t manage public flights last time to Scotland or Spain either.
The EU leader was doing a tour so the plane would have flown from Vienna to Bratislava ready for the next leg whether she was on board it or not. So better to use it. I do not defend the use on emissions grounds in any way, but the practical usage made sense if that’s you chosen mode of transport. Personally I think they all need condemning , however if you’re accusing then accuse all not just the select few. Boris is just another parasite. But you knew that.
All these 'greens' are idiots. Boris's Net Zero nonsense is going to provoke huge public reaction. Rightly so
Explain why greens are idiots?
Put it this way:
In Spain, each new 'green' job costs almost 500,000 euros to create.
For each new 'green' job created, 4 (it might be 3) jobs in the proper economy are destroyed.
I'm sure the economics are very similar in the UK.
Expli why these people aren't idiots"You have no proof that each ‘green ‘ job cost 500,000 euros | |||
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"30,000 liggers flying in
How many people will die of cold this winter? Green taxes already add 25% to domestic fuel bills.
The green scam is a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
Collateral damage?
“We” (humans in general, not members of this forum per se) don’t seem that fussed about people killed by wars, famine, natural disasters why would a few here and there due to a bit of cold make any difference?
Is everything a wealth transfer scam?
With climate change? Yes.
It is, but not the way you think.
The big financial player is the fossil fuel industry. They sponsor a lot of the nonsense that is causing you confusion.
Any evidence for that?
None that I can publish. But I have worked for energy companies and they have spent millions in the past lobbying and “funding research”. Make of that what you will. But big oil, gas and coal on the US for example have been keen to paint things in a certain light.
There’s a lot of money to be made in helping peddle a corporate agenda. It pays very very handsomely.
And how much money do you think there is in peddling the 'green' line? In grants? In subsidies? In recycling 'green' levies. In carbon credits?
How much do you think the carbon trading industry....which funds Greta Thunberg...is worth?
Negligible compared to the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives. Which is about 423 billion USD per year.
Again. Knowledge is what you want here. If you learn about what's going on, you will be less confused.
Tell me what these 'fossil fuel subsidies' are?
Really! Why don't you read up about it, it's a very basic concept.
There was a UN report out a couple of weeks ago which explains it all. Well worth reading.
You've bought the greenie propaganda. You have to torture the stats to come up with the 'fossil fuel subsidies'.
Whereas the real subsidies for the green liggers are easy to spot. Billions, if not trillions, of pounds.
The biggest single cause of fuel poverty. Always good to see the liggers living high on the hog though
Brexit supporter and climate change denier, let me guess, Covid is a plandemic?
Let me guess...mad Remainer, climate fantasist. Funny how the two are linked in some people's heads
Do you think COVID is a conspiracy?
But I never said it was.
There are a huge number of unanswered questions though. But I think 'conspiracy' was your word
Like call far leftists, abuse starts to fly when someone says something they don't like
Do you believe Covid is a conspiracy, yes or no?
Nothing to do with you. Do you?
No, it’s definitely real and not a conspiracy, your refusal to answer confirms my suspicion, covid denier, climate change denier, Brexit supporter, full house
A bit rich coming from you .. someone who thinks anything he is unaware of or doesn't like is evidence of a conspiracy
Your head must be spinning with it all"Ha, I see your still to scared to answer my question. Not a good look | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? Yes ask Boris why he didn’t use a commercial flight or the train to Glasgow. Timing?? He manages holidays on a regular basis when the likes of damming Covid reports come our so a few extra hours waiting for a BA flight was no hardship. He could have waited in a fridge . He didn’t manage public flights last time to Scotland or Spain either.
The EU leader was doing a tour so the plane would have flown from Vienna to Bratislava ready for the next leg whether she was on board it or not. So better to use it. I do not defend the use on emissions grounds in any way, but the practical usage made sense if that’s you chosen mode of transport. Personally I think they all need condemning , however if you’re accusing then accuse all not just the select few. Boris is just another parasite. But you knew that.
All these 'greens' are idiots. Boris's Net Zero nonsense is going to provoke huge public reaction. Rightly so
Explain why greens are idiots?
Put it this way:
In Spain, each new 'green' job costs almost 500,000 euros to create.
For each new 'green' job created, 4 (it might be 3) jobs in the proper economy are destroyed.
I'm sure the economics are very similar in the UK.
Expli why these people aren't idiots
You have no proof that each ‘green ‘ job cost 500,000 euros "It would be interesting to see a credible citation for this so called fact. | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? Yes ask Boris why he didn’t use a commercial flight or the train to Glasgow. Timing?? He manages holidays on a regular basis when the likes of damming Covid reports come our so a few extra hours waiting for a BA flight was no hardship. He could have waited in a fridge . He didn’t manage public flights last time to Scotland or Spain either.
The EU leader was doing a tour so the plane would have flown from Vienna to Bratislava ready for the next leg whether she was on board it or not. So better to use it. I do not defend the use on emissions grounds in any way, but the practical usage made sense if that’s you chosen mode of transport. Personally I think they all need condemning , however if you’re accusing then accuse all not just the select few. Boris is just another parasite. But you knew that.
All these 'greens' are idiots. Boris's Net Zero nonsense is going to provoke huge public reaction. Rightly so
Explain why greens are idiots?
Put it this way:
In Spain, each new 'green' job costs almost 500,000 euros to create.
For each new 'green' job created, 4 (it might be 3) jobs in the proper economy are destroyed.
I'm sure the economics are very similar in the UK.
Expli why these people aren't idiots"Give an example of these. 500k costing jobs please. I’m fascinated by your argument. | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else?" If climate change is made up, what does it matter which mode of transportation she uses! | |||
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"Adrian's trying out new standup material, I see. good for him. "Tbh, it is going quite well, | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? Yes ask Boris why he didn’t use a commercial flight or the train to Glasgow. Timing?? He manages holidays on a regular basis when the likes of damming Covid reports come our so a few extra hours waiting for a BA flight was no hardship. He could have waited in a fridge . He didn’t manage public flights last time to Scotland or Spain either.
The EU leader was doing a tour so the plane would have flown from Vienna to Bratislava ready for the next leg whether she was on board it or not. So better to use it. I do not defend the use on emissions grounds in any way, but the practical usage made sense if that’s you chosen mode of transport. Personally I think they all need condemning , however if you’re accusing then accuse all not just the select few. Boris is just another parasite. But you knew that.
"yes i agree a accuse them all as they are all guilty ,yet in your very next post you are banging on only about boris that mantra didnt last long. | |||
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"Its great to see the usual us and them debate. All politicians are parasites / scum / worse / don't deserve security / can pay for it themselves and on and on ... You have a choice. Rather than going to the massive effort of typing a few characters on a chat... Get up and stand for a role... Otherwise ...we are stronger together." Not all of them, but the current crop of Tories are doing a good job of lining their mates pockets while people die of covid, the climate warms, and the economy is crushed by brexit. | |||
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"Its great to see the usual us and them debate. All politicians are parasites / scum / worse / don't deserve security / can pay for it themselves and on and on ... You have a choice. Rather than going to the massive effort of typing a few characters on a chat... Get up and stand for a role... Otherwise ...we are stronger together. Not all of them, but the current crop of Tories are doing a good job of lining their mates pockets while people die of covid, the climate warms, and the economy is crushed by brexit. " And the labour party is/was represented by angels | |||
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"76 flights into Glasgow which were not chartered - private. Equivalent is 13tonnes CO2 from Rome to Glasgow for 9 passengers based on a Cessna Citation jet. 2,800 litres per hour in the air. Could Biden not offer a lift on his blue hump back 4 engined whale or on of his numerous helicopter, motorcade carrying C17s. Boris would have arrived in his Twin Engined Airbus A320 tanker with the £900k paint job." Yes i see Macron only stopped for a day then went home i wonder why that was, his embarrassment for not carrying out his threats to the uk, boris,biden and morrisson stitching him up over subs or does he really not give a fuck about the climate?  | |||
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"Its great to see the usual us and them debate. All politicians are parasites / scum / worse / don't deserve security / can pay for it themselves and on and on ... You have a choice. Rather than going to the massive effort of typing a few characters on a chat... Get up and stand for a role... Otherwise ...we are stronger together. Not all of them, but the current crop of Tories are doing a good job of lining their mates pockets while people die of covid, the climate warms, and the economy is crushed by brexit. And the labour party is/was represented by angels" No, poor attempt at deflection. | |||
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"Its great to see the usual us and them debate. All politicians are parasites / scum / worse / don't deserve security / can pay for it themselves and on and on ... You have a choice. Rather than going to the massive effort of typing a few characters on a chat... Get up and stand for a role... Otherwise ...we are stronger together. Not all of them, but the current crop of Tories are doing a good job of lining their mates pockets while people die of covid, the climate warms, and the economy is crushed by brexit. And the labour party is/was represented by angels No, poor attempt at deflection. " Not at all | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? If climate change is made up, what does it matter which mode of transportation she uses!" You misunderstand. I believe it is made up. She professes to believe the nonsense. So it falls to her, not me, to not use private jets. She chooses to ignore what she professes to believe so it does matter...it shows that her 'green' beliefs are hypocrisy | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? If climate change is made up, what does it matter which mode of transportation she uses! You misunderstand. I believe it is made up. She professes to believe the nonsense. So it falls to her, not me, to not use private jets. She chooses to ignore what she professes to believe so it does matter...it shows that her 'green' beliefs are hypocrisy" Lol. | |||
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"These green fantasists are destroying jobs. Some 'green jobs revolution'! Spain's University of Juan Carlos reported in 2009 that every 'green job' created was at a cost of 571,138 euros. That figure will have risen since It cost...at that time...1m euros to create 1 wind industry job. These subsidies are redirected from other areas of the economy and cost 110,500 jobs elsewhere in the economy. The report goes on to add that each 'installed green megawatt' costs 5.2 jobs elsewhere in the economy. I found this report within 2 minutes. I think other people ought to spend a few minutes learning before they start laughing at the cost of this 'greencjobs revolution'. What is funny about lost jobs? What is funny about the fuel poverty created by these 'green' idiots? What is funny about the wage depression caused by this lunatic misallocation of capital? " PMSL | |||
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"These green fantasists are destroying jobs. Some 'green jobs revolution'! Spain's University of Juan Carlos reported in 2009 that every 'green job' created was at a cost of 571,138 euros. That figure will have risen since It cost...at that time...1m euros to create 1 wind industry job. These subsidies are redirected from other areas of the economy and cost 110,500 jobs elsewhere in the economy. The report goes on to add that each 'installed green megawatt' costs 5.2 jobs elsewhere in the economy. I found this report within 2 minutes. I think other people ought to spend a few minutes learning before they start laughing at the cost of this 'greencjobs revolution'. What is funny about lost jobs? What is funny about the fuel poverty created by these 'green' idiots? What is funny about the wage depression caused by this lunatic misallocation of capital? PMSL "Something funny in suppressing jobs and wages and increasing fuel poverty? Care to share? | |||
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"These green fantasists are destroying jobs. Some 'green jobs revolution'! Spain's University of Juan Carlos reported in 2009 that every 'green job' created was at a cost of 571,138 euros. That figure will have risen since It cost...at that time...1m euros to create 1 wind industry job. These subsidies are redirected from other areas of the economy and cost 110,500 jobs elsewhere in the economy. The report goes on to add that each 'installed green megawatt' costs 5.2 jobs elsewhere in the economy. I found this report within 2 minutes. I think other people ought to spend a few minutes learning before they start laughing at the cost of this 'greencjobs revolution'. What is funny about lost jobs? What is funny about the fuel poverty created by these 'green' idiots? What is funny about the wage depression caused by this lunatic misallocation of capital? PMSL
Something funny in suppressing jobs and wages and increasing fuel poverty? Care to share?"Ha, your making stuff up again, it’s good quality comedy material, are you basing your act on the Pub Landlord? | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? If climate change is made up, what does it matter which mode of transportation she uses! You misunderstand. I believe it is made up. She professes to believe the nonsense. So it falls to her, not me, to not use private jets. She chooses to ignore what she professes to believe so it does matter...it shows that her 'green' beliefs are hypocrisy Lol. "Why do you find it funny that green hypocrites say one thing but do another? Care to share? | |||
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"These green fantasists are destroying jobs. Some 'green jobs revolution'! Spain's University of Juan Carlos reported in 2009 that every 'green job' created was at a cost of 571,138 euros. That figure will have risen since It cost...at that time...1m euros to create 1 wind industry job. These subsidies are redirected from other areas of the economy and cost 110,500 jobs elsewhere in the economy. The report goes on to add that each 'installed green megawatt' costs 5.2 jobs elsewhere in the economy. I found this report within 2 minutes. I think other people ought to spend a few minutes learning before they start laughing at the cost of this 'greencjobs revolution'. What is funny about lost jobs? What is funny about the fuel poverty created by these 'green' idiots? What is funny about the wage depression caused by this lunatic misallocation of capital? PMSL
Something funny in suppressing jobs and wages and increasing fuel poverty? Care to share?
Ha, your making stuff up again, it’s good quality comedy material, are you basing your act on the Pub Landlord? "No, it's extremely serious when jobs are destroyed. Care to say why you find it funny? | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? If climate change is made up, what does it matter which mode of transportation she uses! You misunderstand. I believe it is made up. She professes to believe the nonsense. So it falls to her, not me, to not use private jets. She chooses to ignore what she professes to believe so it does matter...it shows that her 'green' beliefs are hypocrisy" Again just like Boris but then Ursula doesn’t have an Airbus 320 as well to call on even though she’s responsible for five times as many people. So Boris is ahead in hypocrisy . Don’t forget the yacht . I don’t see other governments needing a mega yacht to do trade . But what’s another £200m + eh | |||
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"It sometimes seems that this left-wing climate nonsense is about creating the most unequal and unfair society possible. Why is it regarded as good ..even funny ..to destroy livelihoods?" Are you against wind turbines ? Do you think they should be banned? | |||
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"These green fantasists are destroying jobs. Some 'green jobs revolution'! Spain's University of Juan Carlos reported in 2009 that every 'green job' created was at a cost of 571,138 euros. That figure will have risen since It cost...at that time...1m euros to create 1 wind industry job. These subsidies are redirected from other areas of the economy and cost 110,500 jobs elsewhere in the economy. The report goes on to add that each 'installed green megawatt' costs 5.2 jobs elsewhere in the economy. I found this report within 2 minutes. I think other people ought to spend a few minutes learning before they start laughing at the cost of this 'greencjobs revolution'. What is funny about lost jobs? What is funny about the fuel poverty created by these 'green' idiots? What is funny about the wage depression caused by this lunatic misallocation of capital? PMSL
Something funny in suppressing jobs and wages and increasing fuel poverty? Care to share?
Ha, your making stuff up again, it’s good quality comedy material, are you basing your act on the Pub Landlord?
No, it's extremely serious when jobs are destroyed. Care to say why you find it funny?"Nothing you are claiming is true, it’s good quality material though, on par with your Brexit set, I am looking forward to your covid denial and anti woke material | |||
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"It sometimes seems that this left-wing climate nonsense is about creating the most unequal and unfair society possible. Why is it regarded as good ..even funny ..to destroy livelihoods? Are you against wind turbines ? Do you think they should be banned? " I wouldn't ban anything. I'd just take the subsidies away. Each wind industry job code 1m euros over 10 years ago and that amount will have increased. Why do you support this idiocy? | |||
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"These green fantasists are destroying jobs. Some 'green jobs revolution'! Spain's University of Juan Carlos reported in 2009 that every 'green job' created was at a cost of 571,138 euros. That figure will have risen since It cost...at that time...1m euros to create 1 wind industry job. These subsidies are redirected from other areas of the economy and cost 110,500 jobs elsewhere in the economy. The report goes on to add that each 'installed green megawatt' costs 5.2 jobs elsewhere in the economy. I found this report within 2 minutes. I think other people ought to spend a few minutes learning before they start laughing at the cost of this 'greencjobs revolution'. What is funny about lost jobs? What is funny about the fuel poverty created by these 'green' idiots? What is funny about the wage depression caused by this lunatic misallocation of capital? PMSL
Something funny in suppressing jobs and wages and increasing fuel poverty? Care to share?
Ha, your making stuff up again, it’s good quality comedy material, are you basing your act on the Pub Landlord?
No, it's extremely serious when jobs are destroyed. Care to say why you find it funny?
Nothing you are claiming is true, it’s good quality material though, on par with your Brexit set, I am looking forward to your covid denial and anti woke material "Tell me where I have lied | |||
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"These green fantasists are destroying jobs. Some 'green jobs revolution'! Spain's University of Juan Carlos reported in 2009 that every 'green job' created was at a cost of 571,138 euros. That figure will have risen since It cost...at that time...1m euros to create 1 wind industry job. These subsidies are redirected from other areas of the economy and cost 110,500 jobs elsewhere in the economy. The report goes on to add that each 'installed green megawatt' costs 5.2 jobs elsewhere in the economy. I found this report within 2 minutes. I think other people ought to spend a few minutes learning before they start laughing at the cost of this 'greencjobs revolution'. What is funny about lost jobs? What is funny about the fuel poverty created by these 'green' idiots? What is funny about the wage depression caused by this lunatic misallocation of capital? PMSL
Something funny in suppressing jobs and wages and increasing fuel poverty? Care to share?
Ha, your making stuff up again, it’s good quality comedy material, are you basing your act on the Pub Landlord?
No, it's extremely serious when jobs are destroyed. Care to say why you find it funny?
Nothing you are claiming is true, it’s good quality material though, on par with your Brexit set, I am looking forward to your covid denial and anti woke material
Tell me where I have lied"It’s all lies, you have no evidence to back it up, then again, comedy doesn’t have to be true , so it’s not really an issue | |||
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"I see that today's main speaker was 'EU president' Ursula Von Der Leyen. This unelected and superannuated Eurocrat is a star. Since becoming "president" she has taken planes for 18 out of 34 'official visits'. She has taken private jets for trips as short as 31 miles and also for the 30-minute journey between Brussels and Strasbourg. Private jets emit 20 times as many emissions per passenger as commercial jetliners. Of course she flew to Glasgow. Why does it seem these parasites want one rule for them and another rule for everybody else? If climate change is made up, what does it matter which mode of transportation she uses! You misunderstand. I believe it is made up. She professes to believe the nonsense. So it falls to her, not me, to not use private jets. She chooses to ignore what she professes to believe so it does matter...it shows that her 'green' beliefs are hypocrisy Lol.
Why do you find it funny that green hypocrites say one thing but do another?
Care to share?"Lol. I love how confused you are. I'm still 50/50 if you're on a wind up. | |||
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"It sometimes seems that this left-wing climate nonsense is about creating the most unequal and unfair society possible. Why is it regarded as good ..even funny ..to destroy livelihoods?" Why would you suggest that only the "left-wing" are scientifically literate? But rude don't you think. | |||
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"It sometimes seems that this left-wing climate nonsense is about creating the most unequal and unfair society possible. Why is it regarded as good ..even funny ..to destroy livelihoods? Are you against wind turbines ? Do you think they should be banned? I wouldn't ban anything. I'd just take the subsidies away. Each wind industry job code 1m euros over 10 years ago and that amount will have increased. Why do you support this idiocy?" Would you also remove subsidies from the fossil fuels industry? | |||
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"It sometimes seems that this left-wing climate nonsense is about creating the most unequal and unfair society possible. Why is it regarded as good ..even funny ..to destroy livelihoods? Why would you suggest that only the "left-wing" are scientifically literate? But rude don't you think." Yes, but it’s true | |||
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"It sometimes seems that this left-wing climate nonsense is about creating the most unequal and unfair society possible. Why is it regarded as good ..even funny ..to destroy livelihoods? Are you against wind turbines ? Do you think they should be banned? I wouldn't ban anything. I'd just take the subsidies away. Each wind industry job code 1m euros over 10 years ago and that amount will have increased. Why do you support this idiocy?" Have you been reading coal diggers weekly? Every measure of progress in any industrial or technical field starts with spending money. Whether that’s from private industry or government. If you take your bizarre view forward then why not just close all the schools as they only have a limited success rate judging by your argument. How does infrastructure needed for electrical cars suddenly appear if not for investment spending? Or do we get the nearest house to pay? How do researchers at university develop new health cures . Paper round maybe ?? Wind turbines are not economic yet, but as time moves on and costs come down they will be and the reduction in subsidies will reflect that . | |||
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