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By *ornucopia OP Man over a year ago

Bexley

Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?"

what is happening in london on 25th oct, is a new show opening?

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

People with older cars living inside the zone are they being given any dispensation or is it full whack per day?

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By *ornucopia OP Man over a year ago

Bexley

"People with older cars living inside the zone are they being given any dispensation or is it full whack per day? "

No dispensation for living inside the zone but won't get charged on days when they don't move it.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?"
Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Yes and the buses all go exactly where you want !

Central London is awash with transport . Just outside not so great. Most transport goes in and out not across . Bit like HS2 which concentrates on London .

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again."

Think you will find Boris introduced the plan and started with the buses in 2012. Khan just implemented Boris plan. Who do we blame now?

The idea is good the plan around the rules not so great.

Even government departments don’t buy fully electric vehicles because the infrastructure isn’t in any way ready.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again.

Think you will find Boris introduced the plan and started with the buses in 2012. Khan just implemented Boris plan. Who do we blame now?

The idea is good the plan around the rules not so great.

Even government departments don’t buy fully electric vehicles because the infrastructure isn’t in any way ready. "
I think you will find that its the expansion of the ulez that the poster is on about which now takes in most of greater london another £12.50 a day to have a car if you live in london that plus the £15 a day if you drive in the centre.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

Yes, I am surprised and saddened that there isn't more noise being made about how this is yet another policy which will disproportionally affect working people and those on lower incomes whilst having little tangible effect on the problem.

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By *ornucopia OP Man over a year ago

Bexley

...Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again.

Think you will find Boris introduced the plan and started with the buses in 2012. Khan just implemented Boris plan. Who do we blame now?

The idea is good the plan around the rules not so great.

Even government departments don’t buy fully electric vehicles because the infrastructure isn’t in any way ready. I think you will find that its the expansion of the ulez that the poster is on about which now takes in most of greater london another £12.50 a day to have a car if you live in london that plus the £15 a day if you drive in the centre.

I'm thinking about the not inconsiderable number of less well off people living within the area who will have older petrol cars (and not so old diesels)who, if they use them to travel anywhere, will be charged £12.50 each day.

I am lucky. My 2003 petrol car a clean burning and reliable Suzuki is exempt but will it eventually fail on age? A friend has a 2001 car with what would appear to be a similar spec engine and that shows as being eligible for the charge.

Ironically, she can use it without charge because she is disabled.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

...Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again.

Think you will find Boris introduced the plan and started with the buses in 2012. Khan just implemented Boris plan. Who do we blame now?

The idea is good the plan around the rules not so great.

Ironically, she can use it without charge because she is disabled."
Once they get used to it being another money making scheme the goal posts will be shifted regularly.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

its outrageous, people cant just dump their car, they could be tied into contracts. Car purchases and ownership tend to be long term investments.... they might as well bring back the window tax... boiler tax... use of air tax

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By *ornucopia OP Man over a year ago

Bexley

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again."

No you have to blame all those that didn’t vote in the Mayoral election and are now complaining

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?"

You won’t be allowed anything big and heavy on public transport

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?"

Drive into London most days. Company pays and passes cost back to customers

So no don’t care and don’t think most company’s do if they can pass the cost on.

Transport companies have been changing lorries as its £100 a day for them if they don’t comply

But ultimately everyone has known about this for years and have ignored it hoping it will go away

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By *ornucopia OP Man over a year ago

Bexley

"its outrageous, people cant just dump their car, they could be tied into contracts. Car purchases and ownership tend to be long term investments.... they might as well bring back the window tax... boiler tax... use of air tax

Ironically, one of the fairer taxes was the poll tax. The idea was as it was people who used council facilities, then far more people would be paying their way.

However, it soon became obvious that the registration system would bring a lot more transient people onto the radar screen and, guess what, those people might then feel entitled to a vote as consolation for being on the books. No prize for guessing which party they would be unlikely to vote for. That is probably the true reason why it was dropped.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?"

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever.

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By *eanoCoolMan over a year ago

wisbech

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever. "

Thats a very good point in all this, if you live in a major city at least you have a possible option of public transport, people that live in small towns or villages have no option but to use a car for work etc as public transport just isn't a option. I could not use a bus or a train where I live for work as they do not operate at the times I would need it so have to use a car.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever.

yeah they move to london to get fancy jobs and buy big houses, happy enough when they sell one and exchange it for yorkshire! They should pay more tax, london privilege tax! Theres no underground in grimsby is there!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I live in London. And I’m effected by pollution.

Those who need to travel by road into London, should require an exemption. Living in London, there is no real need for 80% of people to drive and that’s even higher in central London.

We have wonderful transportation. Tube, bus, Uber, black cabs, e-scooters, e-bikes, and walk.

If businesses need to operate they can manage their deliveries during the night.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Yes, I am surprised and saddened that there isn't more noise being made about how this is yet another policy which will disproportionally affect working people and those on lower incomes whilst having little tangible effect on the problem."

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

Does it really though…. If you can afford to run a car thru central London you are probably not being affected by this, and if you can’t afford to run a car thru central London you were probably already using public transport "
This new zone is not central london though and so will effect will be felt by the poorer communities try telling people in leyton or tottenham they are not working people on low incomes.Not everyone who lives around london is rich with the house prices and rent they are probably worse off than the working people up north.

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

But this is not just central London this is inside the north and south circular so bring a lot of people into the charge. That never went near the congestion charge area.

Covers a huge area.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

Does it really though…. If you can afford to run a car thru central London you are probably not being affected by this, and if you can’t afford to run a car thru central London you were probably already using public transport This new zone is not central london though and so will effect will be felt by the poorer communities try telling people in leyton or tottenham they are not working people on low incomes.Not everyone who lives around london is rich with the house prices and rent they are probably worse off than the working people up north."

Exactly. It punishes people on regular incomes, even those who need to commute OUTSIDE of London as well as those who rely on their vehicle as a work tool (couriers and builders for example).

It's a massively hypocritical policy.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again.

Think you will find Boris introduced the plan and started with the buses in 2012. Khan just implemented Boris plan. Who do we blame now?

The idea is good the plan around the rules not so great.

It was always the plan to include more of London and the congestion and safety zone will eventually will also include everything inside the M25.

You can’t expand something that isn’t there can you.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever.

I can’t see Wisbech or Grantham having much chance of a low emission zone with the low traffic and amount of tractors

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever.

I can’t see Wisbech or Grantham having much chance of a low emission zone with the low traffic and amount of tractors

No, but they are talking about ULEZ zones in other cities. Once councils see it as a money making exercise, hidden under a green guise, then who knows what may happen.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"I live in London. And I’m effected by pollution.

Those who need to travel by road into London, should require an exemption. Living in London, there is no real need for 80% of people to drive and that’s even higher in central London.

We have wonderful transportation. Tube, bus, Uber, black cabs, e-scooters, e-bikes, and walk.

If businesses need to operate they can manage their deliveries during the night."

Really ?? So offices and small shops are open 24hrs??

It doesn’t work like that does it. I also can’t see workmen being allowed to unload bricks and erect scaffolding in a residential street at 2 am.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever.

I can’t see Wisbech or Grantham having much chance of a low emission zone with the low traffic and amount of tractors

No, but they are talking about ULEZ zones in other cities. Once councils see it as a money making exercise, hidden under a green guise, then who knows what may happen. "

Small towns need the local trade so it’s less attractive to put obstacles in the way. LEZ are aimed at larger cities and towns but councils would be stupid to kill trade. And the traders will scream loudly. Small towns also don’t have the public transport option. Living in Lincs many years ago I know first hand a lot of the country had no service whatsoever.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

taxing people even more for using their car, brilliant, tax when you save the money to buy it, tax when you buy it,(isnt that enviro tax already) tax to go on road, tax to go into city, (which is tax from roads surely) tax on petrol..... isnt there some sort of law that says you cant keep charging people for the same fucking thing!

pay to enter shop, pay for using shop lights, pay to use shop trolley, walking on shop floor.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I live in London. And I’m effected by pollution.

Those who need to travel by road into London, should require an exemption. Living in London, there is no real need for 80% of people to drive and that’s even higher in central London.

We have wonderful transportation. Tube, bus, Uber, black cabs, e-scooters, e-bikes, and walk.

If businesses need to operate they can manage their deliveries during the night.

Really ?? So offices and small shops are open 24hrs??

It doesn’t work like that does it. I also can’t see workmen being allowed to unload bricks and erect scaffolding in a residential street at 2 am. "

It can exactly work like that.

So your example of unloading bricks in residential streets. They get a special permit to deliver and leave.

London is a 24/7 city. You should come spend some time in London and you’ll see it’s not a provincial town like Manchester haha .

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"I live in London. And I’m effected by pollution.

Those who need to travel by road into London, should require an exemption. Living in London, there is no real need for 80% of people to drive and that’s even higher in central London.

We have wonderful transportation. Tube, bus, Uber, black cabs, e-scooters, e-bikes, and walk.

If businesses need to operate they can manage their deliveries during the night.

Really ?? So offices and small shops are open 24hrs??

It doesn’t work like that does it. I also can’t see workmen being allowed to unload bricks and erect scaffolding in a residential street at 2 am.

It can exactly work like that.

So your example of unloading bricks in residential streets. They get a special permit to deliver and leave.

London is a 24/7 city. You should come spend some time in London and you’ll see it’s not a provincial town like Manchester haha . "

Good job I own a house there then isn’t it. So yes I do have an idea. So equal ha ha back at you.

I also have 35 years knowledge of running commercial vehicles in London so that’s given me a tiny insight!! ????

I’m sure the residents will love scaffolding being erected while the truck waits . Bollocks they will.

We have to add costs to our vehicles for the new safety rules which is annoying but I get it. To be honest the older commercial vehicles (pre Euro 6 ) in use need scrapping as they are usually knackered and not safe.

You will never get shopkeepers and small offices open 24 hrs as they don’t have the staff so you’re taking nonsense on the 24hr city.

Yes a lot goes on but the rush hour wouldn’t exist if it was 24hours would it!!

Also where do all the trains and tube go if it’s so busy ??

You need to step down form your ivory tower as it’s not made of ivory anymore . London streets as you know are definitely not paved with gold for all but a select few.

London is fast becoming a very scruffy place where if you are lucky/ hard work you can do fantastically well but otherwise you are working to exist.

You need to travel more. There is a big wide world out there..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Change doesn’t happen unless we embrace change.

And there will always be people who are happiest with the status quo.

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By *eanoCoolMan over a year ago

wisbech

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever.

I can’t see Wisbech or Grantham having much chance of a low emission zone with the low traffic and amount of tractors

Ha ha very true, I was more kinda getting at the fact that as it keeps getting more expensive by the day to run a car or van or whatever that people who live in rural areas will really feel it in there pocket as there is no option of public transport and they are reliant on there vehicles. We may not have as much traffic as other areas but our road network is shit and congestion is now a nightmare with all the extra houses that have been built (which local people cant afford) but no infrastructure to go with it, our small towns just become grid locked at weekends. So much nicer 25 yrs ago lol.

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

That's going to make my trips to Legs 800 a bit more expensive

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Change doesn’t happen unless we embrace change.

And there will always be people who are happiest with the status quo."
This is very true some are very scared of change just look at brexit they still go on about it.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

"I live in London. And I’m effected by pollution.

Those who need to travel by road into London, should require an exemption. Living in London, there is no real need for 80% of people to drive and that’s even higher in central London.

We have wonderful transportation. Tube, bus, Uber, black cabs, e-scooters, e-bikes, and walk.

If businesses need to operate they can manage their deliveries during the night.

Really ?? So offices and small shops are open 24hrs??

It doesn’t work like that does it. I also can’t see workmen being allowed to unload bricks and erect scaffolding in a residential street at 2 am.

It can exactly work like that.

So your example of unloading bricks in residential streets. They get a special permit to deliver and leave.

London is a 24/7 city. You should come spend some time in London and you’ll see it’s not a provincial town like Manchester haha . "

ULEZ is 24 hours chargeable. A household living within the zone can expect bills of up to £4500 per year just to start the car. How is is this fair??

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"I live in London. And I’m effected by pollution.

Those who need to travel by road into London, should require an exemption. Living in London, there is no real need for 80% of people to drive and that’s even higher in central London.

We have wonderful transportation. Tube, bus, Uber, black cabs, e-scooters, e-bikes, and walk.

If businesses need to operate they can manage their deliveries during the night.

Really ?? So offices and small shops are open 24hrs??

It doesn’t work like that does it. I also can’t see workmen being allowed to unload bricks and erect scaffolding in a residential street at 2 am.

It can exactly work like that.

So your example of unloading bricks in residential streets. They get a special permit to deliver and leave.

London is a 24/7 city. You should come spend some time in London and you’ll see it’s not a provincial town like Manchester haha .

ULEZ is 24 hours chargeable. A household living within the zone can expect bills of up to £4500 per year just to start the car. How is is this fair??"
Its not mate and the majority of them go nowhere near central London as that costs them another 15 quid.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Change doesn’t happen unless we embrace change.

And there will always be people who are happiest with the status quo.This is very true some are very scared of change just look at brexit they still go on about it."

Change and growth with financial benefit are all great. Brexit is reduction in trade added cost and very negative . The fact the costs keep getting worse means people will go on complaining as it’s making them worse off. Please feel free to share the benefits on another thread about the benefits! Not this one obviously as it’s about costs for London residents that affects the less well off disproportionately .

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever.

I can’t see Wisbech or Grantham having much chance of a low emission zone with the low traffic and amount of tractors

Being born in Lincolnshire I can confirm it was the best kept secret as a place to live and bring up a family. So feel your pain.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Change doesn’t happen unless we embrace change.

And there will always be people who are happiest with the status quo.This is very true some are very scared of change just look at brexit they still go on about it.

It’s the poorest that are affected by poor London environmental pollution. The affluent are doing perfectly ok. As a London resident born, raised and living in central London.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Change doesn’t happen unless we embrace change.

And there will always be people who are happiest with the status quo.This is very true some are very scared of change just look at brexit they still go on about it.

It’s the poorest that are affected by poor London environmental pollution. The affluent are doing perfectly ok. As a London resident born, raised and living in central London. "

Why do the poor breath in more? Seriously how does boris avoid breathing on his bike

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By *eanoCoolMan over a year ago

wisbech

"Its not as if they haven't any public transport in Londin!

Have you tried helping someone move anything big and heavy on public transport?

Climate change has to start somewhere. At least most in London have choices for their commute. Here in the boondocks, we have nothing, no choices whatsoever.

I can’t see Wisbech or Grantham having much chance of a low emission zone with the low traffic and amount of tractors

Being born in Lincolnshire I can confirm it was the best kept secret as a place to live and bring up a family. So feel your pain. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Change doesn’t happen unless we embrace change.

And there will always be people who are happiest with the status quo.This is very true some are very scared of change just look at brexit they still go on about it.

It’s the poorest that are affected by poor London environmental pollution. The affluent are doing perfectly ok. As a London resident born, raised and living in central London.

Why do the poor breath in more? Seriously how does boris avoid breathing on his bike

London’s poorest, more often then not live close to busy main roads, where thousands cars, lorries and vans spew out exhaust fumes and break dust on a daily basis.

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again.

Think you will find Boris introduced the plan and started with the buses in 2012. Khan just implemented Boris plan. Who do we blame now?

The idea is good the plan around the rules not so great.

It was always the plan to include more of London and the congestion and safety zone will eventually will also include everything inside the M25.

You can’t expand something that isn’t there can you. "

This was wanted but Boris cut him off at the knees as it would of gone down like a lead balloon with Tory voters in the shires

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

In todays London Standard Khan has said extra measures will be used on top of the new ULEZ.

He will hit hotshots outside of the new ULEZ.

The new ULEZ is estimated to earn £2 Million a day in fines but where that money will be spent has not been stated.

This charge is basically another tax on car drivers and I can guarantee when the money falls lower than the estimated £2M, charges will go up.

Same thing happened with the congestion charge which was £5 a day when first introduced. Receipts fell below expected estimates so it was raised to £7.50 a day and has now increased up to £12.50 a day.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again.

Think you will find Boris introduced the plan and started with the buses in 2012. Khan just implemented Boris plan. Who do we blame now?

The idea is good the plan around the rules not so great.

It was always the plan to include more of London and the congestion and safety zone will eventually will also include everything inside the M25.

You can’t expand something that isn’t there can you. "
it wont be including everything inside the m25,this is the mayor of londons baby and im pretty sure he cant roll his idea out into hertfordshire,kent,essex,surrey and berkshire we have our own councils thank you very much and we aint london boroughs

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

"Is anybody in the least bit bothered by what will be happening from October 25th?

I cant believe that there have been no protests related to this.

It can only be that chance has preoccupied people in so many other ways recently, so TFL have been able to get away with it.

The effect will be monumental and yet another cause of the rocketing price of survival.

Do those of you who drive into London give a monkey's about it?Well you can blame all those people who voted for Sadiq Khan for that as well as no NYE fireworks again.

Think you will find Boris introduced the plan and started with the buses in 2012. Khan just implemented Boris plan. Who do we blame now?

The idea is good the plan around the rules not so great.

It was always the plan to include more of London and the congestion and safety zone will eventually will also include everything inside the M25.

You can’t expand something that isn’t there can you. it wont be including everything inside the m25,this is the mayor of londons baby and im pretty sure he cant roll his idea out into hertfordshire,kent,essex,surrey and berkshire we have our own councils thank you very much and we aint london boroughs"

The safety zone for HGVs is bordered by the M25 so don’t be so sure of that.,

Trucks levies are always the starting point.

Admin simplified and cameras all in place . It’s coming . No idea when

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

There was a paper written years ago on the congestion zone, eventually everywhere inside the M25 will be a chargeable zone.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

I was talking to someone last night who lives on the boundary of the zone it seems that people who live inside the zone and work outside it are now blocking the streets up by parking their cars and walking to there homes.I guess that makes sense if you can save £12.50 a day for a few minutes walk.

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This was announced years ago. People had plenty time to sell or part trade their non-compliant car for one that is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was talking to someone last night who lives on the boundary of the zone it seems that people who live inside the zone and work outside it are now blocking the streets up by parking their cars and walking to there homes.I guess that makes sense if you can save £12.50 a day for a few minutes walk.

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay."

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

I would think those cars would be lifted onto a tow truck and removed leaving the thrifty driver out of pocket of a value considerably more then £12.50.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

I would think those cars would be lifted onto a tow truck and removed leaving the thrifty driver out of pocket of a value considerably more then £12.50."
A bit dramatic dont you think, where did i say illegally blocking streets?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

I would think those cars would be lifted onto a tow truck and removed leaving the thrifty driver out of pocket of a value considerably more then £12.50.A bit dramatic dont you think, where did i say illegally blocking streets?

Clearly you said ‘blocking streets’. Clearly blocking streets is illegal. Not because I think so. Because it’s a fact.

Nobody is blocking streets. And you call me dramatic haha

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

Clearly you said ‘blocking streets’. Clearly blocking streets is illegal. Not because I think so. Because it’s a fact.

Nobody is blocking streets. And you call me dramatic haha "
Yes maybe i should have made it a bit clearer for you, residents of roads on the edge of the zone are finding it harder to park as cars from inside the zone are parking in their roads as well to avoid the charge.Understand now?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

Clearly you said ‘blocking streets’. Clearly blocking streets is illegal. Not because I think so. Because it’s a fact.

Nobody is blocking streets. And you call me dramatic haha Yes maybe i should have made it a bit clearer for you, residents of roads on the edge of the zone are finding it harder to park as cars from inside the zone are parking in their roads as well to avoid the charge.Understand now?"

Since you’ve now clarified your false statement. I am very comfortable that you tried to create the drama. I hope you’ve understood that poor clearly leads to apocalyptic thoughts.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple over a year ago

Bexley

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

Clearly you said ‘blocking streets’. Clearly blocking streets is illegal. Not because I think so. Because it’s a fact.

Some of us knew exactly what you meant and you're right.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

Clearly you said ‘blocking streets’. Clearly blocking streets is illegal. Not because I think so. Because it’s a fact.

Some of us knew exactly what you meant and you're right.

Even I understood it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

Clearly you said ‘blocking streets’. Clearly blocking streets is illegal. Not because I think so. Because it’s a fact.

Some of us knew exactly what you meant and you're right.

Even I understood it "

Well done . Want a cookie

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

Clearly you said ‘blocking streets’. Clearly blocking streets is illegal. Not because I think so. Because it’s a fact.

Some of us knew exactly what you meant and you're right.

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some are only on here for confrontation rather than a serious discussion you can usually spot them, not been on long no verifications.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

As usual this effects the lower paid who cannot afford to upgrade their cars so they dont have to pay.

If cars are illegally blocking streets. Like some post apocalyptic nightmare.

Clearly you said ‘blocking streets’. Clearly blocking streets is illegal. Not because I think so. Because it’s a fact.

Some of us knew exactly what you meant and you're right.

Even I understood it

Well done . Want a cookie

Chocolate chip please

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

removing more cars from the city and the burbs is clearly a marvelous thing and is to be applauded by eceryone who wants to breath cleaner air. with the area's comprehensive subsidised transport infrastructure there has been absolutely no requirement to own a car for a very long time.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"removing more cars from the city and the burbs is clearly a marvelous thing and is to be applauded by eceryone who wants to breath cleaner air. with the area's comprehensive subsidised transport infrastructure there has been absolutely no requirement to own a car for a very long time.

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Says somone who doesnt live there.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Says somone who doesnt live there.

yet you appear to have lots to say about it whilst not appearing to live there ... i do actually own a very very nice and very very large apartment in earls court along with many other properties across the uk and europe, so your usual forum stalking is again as unwarranted as it is incorrect.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Says somone who doesnt live there.

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yeah earls court is not on the boundary of zone and agree if you are in central london there is no need for a car its a bit different if you live in Walthamstow for instance and yes i do know as i come from the area and most of my family still live there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As someone who has lived in Walthamstow I can say it has good public transport. Loads of buses and a few tube stations and overground stations.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"As someone who has lived in Walthamstow I can say it has good public transport. Loads of buses and a few tube stations and overground stations.

this is factually accurate. walthamstow boasts some of the best and most heavily subsidised transport infrastructure in the country.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"As someone who has lived in Walthamstow I can say it has good public transport. Loads of buses and a few tube stations and overground stations.

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yes all good if you are going into central london not so good if you work in Essex or Herts though is it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone who has lived in Walthamstow I can say it has good public transport. Loads of buses and a few tube stations and overground stations.

yes all good if you are going into central london not so good if you work in Essex or Herts though is it?"

ULEZ was announced in 2018. People have had almost 4 years to make sure they have a compliant vehicle. That is plenty time to sell or scrap their old petrol car, or sell/trade their deisel car for a compliant one.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"As someone who has lived in Walthamstow I can say it has good public transport. Loads of buses and a few tube stations and overground stations.

yes all good if you are going into central london not so good if you work in Essex or Herts though is it?

It may be the case that some affected people simply can't afford to upgrade their cars to a compliant version even with notice

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By *ornucopia OP Man over a year ago

Bexley

It has been brought to my attention that

Queen Elizabeth II Hospital in Woolwich is just inside the ULEZ.

Talk about rubbing people's noses in it if they are poor and struggling.

Any other nasty examples?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"It has been brought to my attention that

Queen Elizabeth II Hospital in Woolwich is just inside the ULEZ.

Talk about rubbing people's noses in it if they are poor and struggling.

Any other nasty examples?"
Whipps cross,royal london,newham.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

Looks like Sadiq Khan is pushing ahead with the enlarged zone, despite every opinion poll stating clearly the majority are against it and despite the severe hardships this will bring to many.

I just wonder when British people will stop being such meek and accepting push overs.

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By *ornucopia OP Man over a year ago

Bexley

"Looks like Sadiq Khan is pushing ahead with the enlarged zone, despite every opinion poll stating clearly the majority are against it and despite the severe hardships this will bring to many.

I just wonder when British people will stop being such meek and accepting push overs."

I'm assuming Khan isn't going to be seeking any form of re-election or hoping to move up the career ladder.

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

"Looks like Sadiq Khan is pushing ahead with the enlarged zone, despite every opinion poll stating clearly the majority are against it and despite the severe hardships this will bring to many.

I just wonder when British people will stop being such meek and accepting push overs.

I'm assuming Khan isn't going to be seeking any form of re-election or hoping to move up the career ladder."

I assume he will run again. But hope that the people that didn’t vote in the last Mayoral elections get out and vote him out.

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By *ornucopia OP Man over a year ago

Bexley

I'm assuming Khan isn't going to be seeking any form of re-election or hoping to move up the career ladder."

Except, perhaps, some extremely lucrative directorships in the car industry.

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By *rFunBoyMan over a year ago

Longridge

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By *aribbean King 1985Man over a year ago

South West London

So since Sadiq Khan's became Mayor Of London, here's the facts about during his time:

While ULEZ was Boris Johnsons idea, Sadiq Khan expanded it in 2021 and will be expanding it again in August 2023, affecting those on the lowest income are unable to afford paying it as well as unable to buy a car to avoid paying it

Increased the Congestion Charge to £15 and included it to weekends

Introduced LTNs initially temperary during covid to then make them permanent (without much consultation I might add), killing of local trade in the streets where can only drive to but also moving traffic to the main roads causing more pollution, killing off his objective to REDUCE pollution.

Increased the share of council tax every year since his been Mayor despite threatening to cut services.

Built less housing projects since his been in office compared to the 2 previous mayors

While he froze travel fare for 4 years between 2016-2020, now has increased them every year since

Theres been more strikes on TFL transport since his been mayor then the 2 previous mayors combined despite wanting people to use more public transport.

His crime record gone up every year since his been in office.

Despite all this, nobody in London who likes him (let alone the free world) can give a really good reason or explaination on why they vote for him knowing the chaos his caused.

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

"So since Sadiq Khan's became Mayor Of London, here's the facts about during his time:

Increased the Congestion Charge to £15 and included it to weekends

Increased the share of council tax every year since his been Mayor despite threatening to cut services.

Built less housing projects since his been in office compared to the 2 previous mayors

While he froze travel fare for 4 years between 2016-2020, now has increased them every year since

Theres been more strikes on TFL transport since his been mayor then the 2 previous mayors combined despite wanting people to use more public transport.

His crime record gone up every year since his been in office.

Despite all this, nobody in London who likes him (let alone the free world) can give a really good reason or explaination on why they vote for him knowing the chaos his caused.

Nobody voted for him. He got there on probably the lowest turn out on Mayoral elections ever.

Then TFL are probably the worst organisation that ever managed transport and roads in London at this present time in my memory.

You forgot to add all the roads he has taken lanes off of for his fanciful ideal. Two that have caused absolute chaos are Park Lane and Regent Street.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

Most don't want it and it won't affect overall air quality. It's the odious little arrogant twats vanity project to bolster tfls coffers.

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By *agan_PairCouple over a year ago

portchester

The stupid thing about this is an older 1.0 engine car is going to be penalised in the ULEZ expansion, but I can continue to drive my 6.0 V12 in there for free. This is nothing to do with emissions and is a stealth tax on the least able to afford it.

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

All this stuff just puts me off visiting London,it sounds so complicated now. Perhaps, that's what they want.

Even the nearest Train and Coach station to be able to get to London is 20 miles away.

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By *aribbean King 1985Man over a year ago

South West London

Well I hope most of you WON'T be voting for him as London Mayor again (although its wishful thinking)

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By *ity_BoyMan over a year ago

London