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"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now." Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences. | |||
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"The problem is people believe what he’s saying as truth. The BBC has pulled his speech apart as littered with falsehoods and manipulation of the truth to suit his agenda. Costa is right though, it’s about pumping up the blind faithful. " The tide is turning, people are getting tired of his bluster and bull shit, the press have started to turn against him, his days are numbered  | |||
"The problem is people believe what he’s saying as truth. The BBC has pulled his speech apart as littered with falsehoods and manipulation of the truth to suit his agenda. Costa is right though, it’s about pumping up the blind faithful. The tide is turning, people are getting tired of his bluster and bull shit, the press have started to turn against him, his days are numbered "yes they are will you still stand by your prediction or have you revised it yet again? | |||
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"Seems like “oh dear” is quite strong, is there anyone who would say its ok?" I didn’t watch it all, but what I did see was the usual spaff and waffle , he is no Churchill | |||
"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
"That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect. And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"! It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters. He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one. | |||
"So he spoke, what did you think?" Before he made his speech, over the past couple of weeks, I've been highlighting his new found "socialism" (see below). Obviously, it's one thing to say all the stuff he said and he may well mean some of it; but it's entirely reasonable to doubt his sincerity - and, more importantly, his ability to bring positive change about. It's worth bearing in mind that what he's really talking about is reducing inequality, throughout the UK. When the fuck have the Tories ever done that? Inequality is the bedrock of their ideology - and given their penchant for doing away with leaders that threaten their interests; Boris is on a very shoogly nail. The Tory Party's paymasters have - as I expected - not met his new found ideals with enthusiasm. What surprised me most is that anyone's surprised at their reaction. As for what I thought of what he had to say; none of it was relevant - because he's not really the one in charge. ______________________________________ From a week ago: The Government - rightly - don't want cheap labour from the EU (or anywhere else), taking jobs that British workers could be doing, for higher wages. Unfortunately, the majority of business donors to the Conservative Party (including the big ones) are in favour of cheap labour - from any nation - in order to maximise their profits, bonuses for CEOs and/or dividends for shareholders. None of these "captains of industry", nor the Conservative Party, were in favour of the National Minimum Wage, when it was introduced. To be fair to them, they haven't abolished it and, indeed, have increased it. Not to adequate levels - but at least they haven't cut it. However, it's a difficult circle for the Tories to square - are they really going to tell employers they'll have to pay higher wages - and take a hit to their profits - if they want to stay in business at all? It's looking like they may have to - even allowing for the usual exploitation of poorly qualified workers and those in the gig economy - there aren't enough potential employees to go round; especially in certain industries critical to the smooth running of the UK. Technically, they're arguing for full employment on high wages - which is very socialist of them. I hope they manage it - I'm just not at all confident they can. Let's face it; they've never tried it before. More recently: To quote him: "When people voted for change in 2016 and when people voted for change again in 2019 ... they voted for the end of a broken model of the UK economy that relied on low wages and low skill and chronic low productivity and we are moving away from that." Well, that remains to be seen - but he is moving further and further left all the time. Obviously, this will bring him to the centre - basically where Blair was. The only problem he's got is that he's ok with all the borrowing and raising taxes, telling employers to pay higher wages and invest in training - to their cost and that of their shareholders (if they have any) ... but his Party really aren't. Boris is very unusual for a Tory he wants to be loved; he doesn't want everyone to think he's a cunt. That puts him at odds with all those Tories who don't care if people think they're cunts. Tories like JRM, who had this to say: "... tax is about the highest level it has been since the war ... we are at the upper reaches of the reasonableness of the tax burden. We are [at] about the limit of what taxes we can raise." Well, he would say that, wouldn't he? The question is, can Boris hold him and his kind off, long enough to effect long term changes for the better? Or will it be back to the usual playbook - fuck every one outwith our base? | |||
"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect.
And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"!
It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters.
He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one."He may well have meant it when he said "Fuck business!"; I think he's about to find out how hard business is prepared to fuck him, if he persists in insisting on higher wages and more skills training, to be funded from their profits and share dividends. | |||
"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect.
And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"!
It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters.
He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one.
He may well have meant it when he said "Fuck business!"; I think he's about to find out how hard business is prepared to fuck him, if he persists in insisting on higher wages and more skills training, to be funded from their profits and share dividends."yeah funny doesnt sound like a tory mantra does it ? i would have thought all the lefties on here would have been on board with that. | |||
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"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect.
And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"!
It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters.
He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one.
He may well have meant it when he said "Fuck business!"; I think he's about to find out how hard business is prepared to fuck him, if he persists in insisting on higher wages and more skills training, to be funded from their profits and share dividends. yeah funny doesnt sound like a tory mantra does it ? i would have thought all the lefties on here would have been on board with that. "You can’t be ‘on board’ or take any notice of a compulsive liar , especially from a man who won’t be PM for much longer | |||
"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect.
And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"!
It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters.
He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one.
He may well have meant it when he said "Fuck business!"; I think he's about to find out how hard business is prepared to fuck him, if he persists in insisting on higher wages and more skills training, to be funded from their profits and share dividends. yeah funny doesnt sound like a tory mantra does it ? i would have thought all the lefties on here would have been on board with that.
You can’t be ‘on board’ or take any notice of a compulsive liar , especially from a man who won’t be PM for much longer
"These are some of the issues, plus he does not seem too worried about some of the other aspects that I would like to see. But, the trains are being renationalised (ok by accident) one at a time (I thing 3 franchises are presently run by the government). The way the utilities are heading, government may need to step in soon (whatever they are saying at present). Boris is basically more left than Starmer at present... | |||
"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect.
And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"!
It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters.
He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one.
He may well have meant it when he said "Fuck business!"; I think he's about to find out how hard business is prepared to fuck him, if he persists in insisting on higher wages and more skills training, to be funded from their profits and share dividends. yeah funny doesnt sound like a tory mantra does it ? i would have thought all the lefties on here would have been on board with that.
You can’t be ‘on board’ or take any notice of a compulsive liar , especially from a man who won’t be PM for much longer
These are some of the issues, plus he does not seem too worried about some of the other aspects that I would like to see.
But, the trains are being renationalised (ok by accident) one at a time (I thing 3 franchises are presently run by the government).
The way the utilities are heading, government may need to step in soon (whatever they are saying at present).
Boris is basically more left than Starmer at present..."Exactly what i was saying, im surprised the left are not on board with it a mix of greens and the left doesnt seem like the usual tory mantra. | |||
"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect.
And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"!
It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters.
He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one.
He may well have meant it when he said "Fuck business!"; I think he's about to find out how hard business is prepared to fuck him, if he persists in insisting on higher wages and more skills training, to be funded from their profits and share dividends. yeah funny doesnt sound like a tory mantra does it ? i would have thought all the lefties on here would have been on board with that.
You can’t be ‘on board’ or take any notice of a compulsive liar , especially from a man who won’t be PM for much longer
These are some of the issues, plus he does not seem too worried about some of the other aspects that I would like to see.
But, the trains are being renationalised (ok by accident) one at a time (I thing 3 franchises are presently run by the government).
The way the utilities are heading, government may need to step in soon (whatever they are saying at present).
Boris is basically more left than Starmer at present...Exactly what i was saying, im surprised the left are not on board with it a mix of greens and the left doesnt seem like the usual tory mantra."Interesting…Boris is more left that Starmer? Anyone else agree with that? | |||
"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect.
And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"!
It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters.
He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one.
He may well have meant it when he said "Fuck business!"; I think he's about to find out how hard business is prepared to fuck him, if he persists in insisting on higher wages and more skills training, to be funded from their profits and share dividends. yeah funny doesnt sound like a tory mantra does it ? i would have thought all the lefties on here would have been on board with that.
You can’t be ‘on board’ or take any notice of a compulsive liar , especially from a man who won’t be PM for much longer
These are some of the issues, plus he does not seem too worried about some of the other aspects that I would like to see.
But, the trains are being renationalised (ok by accident) one at a time (I thing 3 franchises are presently run by the government).
The way the utilities are heading, government may need to step in soon (whatever they are saying at present).
Boris is basically more left than Starmer at present...Exactly what i was saying, im surprised the left are not on board with it a mix of greens and the left doesnt seem like the usual tory mantra.
Interesting…Boris is more left that Starmer? Anyone else agree with that?"Someone said to me the speech was reminicent of a trump rally, they are American, so probably best placed to make that Judgement. | |||
"i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences. "yeah i could have bitched about a post and rolled my eyes like you, but i chose to answer the OP's question instead.  | |||
"Interesting…Boris is more left that Starmer? Anyone else agree with that?" i disagree. since johnson re-appeared from holidays and elaborate functions in march, 4 months after his election to office, he has been behind the curve by a huge margin. he hasn't lead, he hasn't even reacted to events which has lead to the calamitous position in which this country now finds itself. he isn't shaping policy to build anything better, he is responding belatedly to people changing society for themselves and falsely attempting to claim responsibility for the change as his doing. people are showing that they want more elements of socialist economics and he has no choice but to go along with it much to the distain of the very vocal minority of tory chums and their payroll masters in industry. | |||
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"rabble rousing, tub thumping, vacuous, vapid, nonsence. it was merely hollow soundbites and spin meant to appeal to the idealogical extreme members of the party, who were corralled around johnson like a circle of wagons in a western movie, which handly demonstrates in a very graphic way just how isolated they really are now.Isnt that what every party leaders speech is since time began? its supposed to rouse the party members and send them off with a new sense of purpose i think you have missed the whole point of party conferences.
That is one aim certainly. But the other is to signal to other interested parties (media, business, public sector, etc.) what to expect.
And here it was quite shocking. He really seems to have meant it when he said "fuck business"!
It could actually be a sensible approach. Blame the greedy fat cats for all the problems, it's not something you expect to hear from a Conservative PM, but it could work to hold onto those newly acquired RedWall voters.
He obviously needs to follow it up with actions, of which cancelling the UC 20 quid is not a good first one.
He may well have meant it when he said "Fuck business!"; I think he's about to find out how hard business is prepared to fuck him, if he persists in insisting on higher wages and more skills training, to be funded from their profits and share dividends. yeah funny doesnt sound like a tory mantra does it ? i would have thought all the lefties on here would have been on board with that. "As you know, I've been pointing out for a long time, just how socialist the Tories have been lately - forced into it by Covid, to be fair; but doing it. I actually think Boris really does want to drag his Party back to the centre, after the massive swerve to the right that Brexit was. The trouble is, Tory backers and a lot of Tory voters, don't want him to. If he goes up against the money, in a bid to reduce inequality - which is at the core of Tory ideology - he'll be replaced. | |||
