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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Ayr |
The Government - rightly - don't want cheap labour from the EU (or anywhere else), taking jobs that British workers could be doing, for higher wages.
Unfortunately, the majority of business donors to the Conservative Party (including the big ones) are in favour of cheap labour - from any nation - in order to maximise their profits, bonuses for CEOs and/or dividends for shareholders.
None of these "captains of industry", nor the Conservative Party, were in favour of the National Minimum Wage, when it was introduced.
To be fair to them, they haven't abolished it and, indeed, have increased it. Not to adequate levels - but at least they haven't cut it.
However, it's a difficult circle for the Tories to square - are they really going to tell employers they'll have to pay higher wages - and take a hit to their profits - if they want to stay in business at all?
It's looking like they may have to - even allowing for the usual exploitation of poorly qualified workers and those in the gig economy - there aren't enough potential employees to go round; especially in certain industries critical to the smooth running of the UK.
Technically, they're arguing for full employment on high wages - which is very socialist of them.
I hope they manage it - I'm just not at all confident they can. Let's face it; they've never tried it before. |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?"
Some 40% of people on UC - of which JSA is a part - are already in employment.
Most of them would require lengthy training to transfer to other work, in order to do it competently/safely; if their circumstances even allowed for them to do so.
Not so obvious - if you put some thought into it. If it were as simple as you suggest, there would be no problem. |
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over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?"
Lots of them are in employment, another barrier to work is employers will not invest in employees, they won't train people up but instead, import skilled labour from abroad.
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?"
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Lots of them are in employment, another barrier to work is employers will not invest in employees, they won't train people up but instead, import skilled labour from abroad.
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Well, the latest on that, appears to be this:
"The UK will not introduce visa schemes for any other sectors facing staff shortages, sources have told the BBC.
On Sunday, the government set up temporary visa schemes for HGV drivers and poultry workers to limit disruption in the run-up to Christmas.
Staff shortages in areas including hospitality and care have led to calls for a similar relaxation of post-Brexit immigration rules for other sectors.
But government sources said firms should improve pay and conditions.
Kate Nicholls from UK Hospitality warned that without measures such as temporary visas the recovery from the pandemic would "falter".
She said the sector was helping people into apprenticeships, offering training schemes and noted that wages had risen by 19% over the last five years.
However she said a "chronic shortage of staff is a significant barrier to the hospitality industry's recovery", and urged the government to consider "all reasonable measures".
But the BBC has been told the Home Office and Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy are not discussing the possibility of visas for other sectors.
And one UK government source said: "In order to move to a high-wage, high-skilled economy, businesses should invest in their workforce and improve pay and conditions."
Frankly, good on the Tories - for once. They appear to be actually trying to do what I mentioned in my OP; they're telling business to take the hit and stop moaning about lower profits, share dividends and bonuses.
Which is what better wages for employees is going to mean; not to mention that those better wages will move more people into paying tax.
So would a £15/hr minimum wage - but that's actually going too far; and I'm a socialist. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Lots of them are in employment, another barrier to work is employers will not invest in employees, they won't train people up but instead, import skilled labour from abroad.
Well, the latest on that, appears to be this:
"The UK will not introduce visa schemes for any other sectors facing staff shortages, sources have told the BBC.
On Sunday, the government set up temporary visa schemes for HGV drivers and poultry workers to limit disruption in the run-up to Christmas.
Staff shortages in areas including hospitality and care have led to calls for a similar relaxation of post-Brexit immigration rules for other sectors.
But government sources said firms should improve pay and conditions.
Kate Nicholls from UK Hospitality warned that without measures such as temporary visas the recovery from the pandemic would "falter".
She said the sector was helping people into apprenticeships, offering training schemes and noted that wages had risen by 19% over the last five years.
However she said a "chronic shortage of staff is a significant barrier to the hospitality industry's recovery", and urged the government to consider "all reasonable measures".
But the BBC has been told the Home Office and Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy are not discussing the possibility of visas for other sectors.
And one UK government source said: "In order to move to a high-wage, high-skilled economy, businesses should invest in their workforce and improve pay and conditions."
Frankly, good on the Tories - for once. They appear to be actually trying to do what I mentioned in my OP; they're telling business to take the hit and stop moaning about lower profits, share dividends and bonuses.
Which is what better wages for employees is going to mean; not to mention that those better wages will move more people into paying tax.
So would a £15/hr minimum wage - but that's actually going too far; and I'm a socialist."
Yep £15 is going too far an I'm a socialist too |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Lots of them are in employment, another barrier to work is employers will not invest in employees, they won't train people up but instead, import skilled labour from abroad.
Well, the latest on that, appears to be this:
"The UK will not introduce visa schemes for any other sectors facing staff shortages, sources have told the BBC.
On Sunday, the government set up temporary visa schemes for HGV drivers and poultry workers to limit disruption in the run-up to Christmas.
Staff shortages in areas including hospitality and care have led to calls for a similar relaxation of post-Brexit immigration rules for other sectors.
But government sources said firms should improve pay and conditions.
Kate Nicholls from UK Hospitality warned that without measures such as temporary visas the recovery from the pandemic would "falter".
She said the sector was helping people into apprenticeships, offering training schemes and noted that wages had risen by 19% over the last five years.
However she said a "chronic shortage of staff is a significant barrier to the hospitality industry's recovery", and urged the government to consider "all reasonable measures".
But the BBC has been told the Home Office and Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy are not discussing the possibility of visas for other sectors.
And one UK government source said: "In order to move to a high-wage, high-skilled economy, businesses should invest in their workforce and improve pay and conditions."
Frankly, good on the Tories - for once. They appear to be actually trying to do what I mentioned in my OP; they're telling business to take the hit and stop moaning about lower profits, share dividends and bonuses.
Which is what better wages for employees is going to mean; not to mention that those better wages will move more people into paying tax.
So would a £15/hr minimum wage - but that's actually going too far; and I'm a socialist.
Yep £15 is going too far an I'm a socialist too"
£14.14 is an in between, something to live on wage I would go for.  |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East "
why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London "
Because they have families and homes. They, quite rightly, don't want to move. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London "
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, "
You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area. |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
Because they have families and homes. They, quite rightly, don't want to move."
aw so they didn’t have families or want to move back then eh lol |
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over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
Because they have families and homes. They, quite rightly, don't want to move.aw so they didn’t have families or want to move back then eh lol "
Your living in the past mate, |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area."
They must already have enough workers then  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then "
no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers."
Large numbers? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers.
Large numbers? "
yep large numbers |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers.
Large numbers? yep large numbers"
Fair enough, I hope some are affordable housing, the property market is insane atm |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
Because they have families and homes. They, quite rightly, don't want to move.aw so they didn’t have families or want to move back then eh lol "
They had no alternative, an economic gun was at their heads. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers.
Large numbers? yep large numbers
Fair enough, I hope some are affordable housing, the property market is insane atm "
It certainly is especially around here seems since covid everyone wants to live by the sea. |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers."
House building has declined . Government statistics. |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
Because they have families and homes. They, quite rightly, don't want to move.aw so they didn’t have families or want to move back then eh lol
They had no alternative, an economic gun was at their heads. "
yer fair point there’s not the need to move as much now plenty jobs up here |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
Because they have families and homes. They, quite rightly, don't want to move.aw so they didn’t have families or want to move back then eh lol
They had no alternative, an economic gun was at their heads. yer fair point there’s not the need to move as much now plenty jobs up here "
Really, where?
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers.
House building has declined . Government statistics."
can only go by what i see in my area mate not the whole country and they are building at a rate of knots here. |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers.
House building has declined . Government statistics. can only go by what i see in my area mate not the whole country and they are building at a rate of knots here."
Hope they are, they have ten years of catching up to do |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
Because they have families and homes. They, quite rightly, don't want to move.aw so they didn’t have families or want to move back then eh lol
They had no alternative, an economic gun was at their heads. yer fair point there’s not the need to move as much now plenty jobs up here
Really, where?
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not this again from you how about teesport or Darlington with the government t jobs and Amazon houses going up everywhere in Teesside do you not read your local paper or listen to bbc tees ? |
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
Because they have families and homes. They, quite rightly, don't want to move.aw so they didn’t have families or want to move back then eh lol
They had no alternative, an economic gun was at their heads. yer fair point there’s not the need to move as much now plenty jobs up here
Really, where?
not this again from you how about teesport or Darlington with the government t jobs and Amazon houses going up everywhere in Teesside do you not read your local paper or listen to bbc tees ?"
Darlington, we going to get many brickies employed there!
Teesport - job displacement
Amazon - warehouse Jobs
New houses - as I am sure you are aware most modern new build houses are timber frame off site , construction is far less than in the past.
I listen to tees, read the gazette, northern echo etc etc, what I don't do is assume that the likes of Johnson has anyone but his own interests at heart |
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Darlington are government jobs that used to be in London Amazon pay well above minimum wage and teesport are lots of new jobs have you heard of the factory been built for carbon capture a few months back you where saying you won’t believe in any jobs there until you see them we’ll pop down mate it’s all go take a look for yourself |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Nope, job vacancies in London won’t be filled by people who live in the North East why they filled them in the 80s and 90s building London
This is 2021, they aren’t building jobs, You must be joking there are buildings going up all over the place in this area.
They must already have enough workers then no idea but guess so and great to see new houses being built in large numbers.
House building has declined . Government statistics."
fuck me i wish someone would tell them round here, there building houses and flats on any available piece of land round here cant move for tower cranes and builders vans |
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"Darlington are government jobs that used to be in London Amazon pay well above minimum wage and teesport are lots of new jobs have you heard of the factory been built for carbon capture a few months back you where saying you won’t believe in any jobs there until you see them we’ll pop down mate it’s all go take a look for yourself "
The senior jobs at Darlington are transfers
Amazon are paying above minimum wage, whoopy do, paying more than a care home.
Carbon capture , just how many jobs is that bringing, 10, 20, 50?
All it takes is a cursory examination and BoZo promises fall apart. |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Ayr |
"There are more people on JSA than there are job vacancies. Doesn't the solution seem obvious?
Lots of them are in employment, another barrier to work is employers will not invest in employees, they won't train people up but instead, import skilled labour from abroad.
Well, the latest on that, appears to be this:
"The UK will not introduce visa schemes for any other sectors facing staff shortages, sources have told the BBC.
On Sunday, the government set up temporary visa schemes for HGV drivers and poultry workers to limit disruption in the run-up to Christmas.
Staff shortages in areas including hospitality and care have led to calls for a similar relaxation of post-Brexit immigration rules for other sectors.
But government sources said firms should improve pay and conditions.
Kate Nicholls from UK Hospitality warned that without measures such as temporary visas the recovery from the pandemic would "falter".
She said the sector was helping people into apprenticeships, offering training schemes and noted that wages had risen by 19% over the last five years.
However she said a "chronic shortage of staff is a significant barrier to the hospitality industry's recovery", and urged the government to consider "all reasonable measures".
But the BBC has been told the Home Office and Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy are not discussing the possibility of visas for other sectors.
And one UK government source said: "In order to move to a high-wage, high-skilled economy, businesses should invest in their workforce and improve pay and conditions."
Frankly, good on the Tories - for once. They appear to be actually trying to do what I mentioned in my OP; they're telling business to take the hit and stop moaning about lower profits, share dividends and bonuses.
Which is what better wages for employees is going to mean; not to mention that those better wages will move more people into paying tax.
So would a £15/hr minimum wage - but that's actually going too far; and I'm a socialist.
Yep £15 is going too far an I'm a socialist too"
Is it just you and me then? LOL |
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"Darlington are government jobs that used to be in London Amazon pay well above minimum wage and teesport are lots of new jobs have you heard of the factory been built for carbon capture a few months back you where saying you won’t believe in any jobs there until you see them we’ll pop down mate it’s all go take a look for yourself
The senior jobs at Darlington are transfers
Amazon are paying above minimum wage, whoopy do, paying more than a care home.
Carbon capture , just how many jobs is that bringing, 10, 20, 50?
All it takes is a cursory examination and BoZo promises fall apart."
only transfers if they want to transfer 1500 jobs can’t all be transfers and above minimum wage wtf would you prefer minimum wage teesport is creating upto 20000 jobs and you still not happy can you remember a time when Teesside had as many jobs as now I can’t and I don’t know anyone unemployed but I’m guessing you know lots lol |
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"Darlington are government jobs that used to be in London Amazon pay well above minimum wage and teesport are lots of new jobs have you heard of the factory been built for carbon capture a few months back you where saying you won’t believe in any jobs there until you see them we’ll pop down mate it’s all go take a look for yourself
The senior jobs at Darlington are transfers
Amazon are paying above minimum wage, whoopy do, paying more than a care home.
Carbon capture , just how many jobs is that bringing, 10, 20, 50?
All it takes is a cursory examination and BoZo promises fall apart.only transfers if they want to transfer 1500 jobs can’t all be transfers and above minimum wage wtf would you prefer minimum wage teesport is creating upto 20000 jobs and you still not happy can you remember a time when Teesside had as many jobs as now I can’t and I don’t know anyone unemployed but I’m guessing you know lots lol"
I have to laugh, sorry. The evidence for up to 20k jobs is what? By the way a snappy one liner from a minister is not evidence, it's hype and spin. I remember a teesside with a thriving steel industry and a thriving chemical industry. Whats wrong with knowing people who are unfortunately without a steady job, are they lesser people? What's your view on them? |
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Yes I remember them times it was when unemployment was al it’s highest in tne 80s mate and it was the mayor who says 20000 the mayor that bought the land from the tia banks and bought the airport the one I used last week to go to beni forst time iv flew from there in twenty yrs sorry if I’m happy for Teesside to be doing well for a change you sit there with ya glass half empty sobbing if it makes you feel better there will always be ppl like you no matter what lol |
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"Darlington are government jobs that used to be in London Amazon pay well above minimum wage and teesport are lots of new jobs have you heard of the factory been built for carbon capture a few months back you where saying you won’t believe in any jobs there until you see them we’ll pop down mate it’s all go take a look for yourself
The senior jobs at Darlington are transfers
Amazon are paying above minimum wage, whoopy do, paying more than a care home.
Carbon capture , just how many jobs is that bringing, 10, 20, 50?
All it takes is a cursory examination and BoZo promises fall apart.only transfers if they want to transfer 1500 jobs can’t all be transfers and above minimum wage wtf would you prefer minimum wage teesport is creating upto 20000 jobs and you still not happy can you remember a time when Teesside had as many jobs as now I can’t and I don’t know anyone unemployed but I’m guessing you know lots lol
I have to laugh, sorry. The evidence for up to 20k jobs is what? By the way a snappy one liner from a minister is not evidence, it's hype and spin. I remember a teesside with a thriving steel industry and a thriving chemical industry. Whats wrong with knowing people who are unfortunately without a steady job, are they lesser people? What's your view on them?"
nothing wrong with them at all it’s just I don’t know any all my mates work |
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"Darlington are government jobs that used to be in London Amazon pay well above minimum wage and teesport are lots of new jobs have you heard of the factory been built for carbon capture a few months back you where saying you won’t believe in any jobs there until you see them we’ll pop down mate it’s all go take a look for yourself
The senior jobs at Darlington are transfers
Amazon are paying above minimum wage, whoopy do, paying more than a care home.
Carbon capture , just how many jobs is that bringing, 10, 20, 50?
All it takes is a cursory examination and BoZo promises fall apart.only transfers if they want to transfer 1500 jobs can’t all be transfers and above minimum wage wtf would you prefer minimum wage teesport is creating upto 20000 jobs and you still not happy can you remember a time when Teesside had as many jobs as now I can’t and I don’t know anyone unemployed but I’m guessing you know lots lol
I have to laugh, sorry. The evidence for up to 20k jobs is what? By the way a snappy one liner from a minister is not evidence, it's hype and spin. I remember a teesside with a thriving steel industry and a thriving chemical industry. Whats wrong with knowing people who are unfortunately without a steady job, are they lesser people? What's your view on them?nothing wrong with them at all it’s just I don’t know any all my mates work "
Nice to see that you don't look down on them, shame that can't be said about the conservative party en masse, not sure if it was BoZo or Grease Smugg who described them as feckless and stupid. |
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"Darlington are government jobs that used to be in London Amazon pay well above minimum wage and teesport are lots of new jobs have you heard of the factory been built for carbon capture a few months back you where saying you won’t believe in any jobs there until you see them we’ll pop down mate it’s all go take a look for yourself
The senior jobs at Darlington are transfers
Amazon are paying above minimum wage, whoopy do, paying more than a care home.
Carbon capture , just how many jobs is that bringing, 10, 20, 50?
All it takes is a cursory examination and BoZo promises fall apart.only transfers if they want to transfer 1500 jobs can’t all be transfers and above minimum wage wtf would you prefer minimum wage teesport is creating upto 20000 jobs and you still not happy can you remember a time when Teesside had as many jobs as now I can’t and I don’t know anyone unemployed but I’m guessing you know lots lol
I have to laugh, sorry. The evidence for up to 20k jobs is what? By the way a snappy one liner from a minister is not evidence, it's hype and spin. I remember a teesside with a thriving steel industry and a thriving chemical industry. Whats wrong with knowing people who are unfortunately without a steady job, are they lesser people? What's your view on them?nothing wrong with them at all it’s just I don’t know any all my mates work
Nice to see that you don't look down on them, shame that can't be said about the conservative party en masse, not sure if it was BoZo or Grease Smugg who described them as feckless and stupid. "
iv never looked down me nose at anyone as for blowjob and his crew I couldn’t care less about them never have they have to spend a stupid amount of money in the north if they want to stay in power and labour have to promise to spend more if they want to get in so it’s a win win to me |
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People are making huge noises about brexit being the cause of any and all problems I the UK.
Personally I know lots of Irish people leaving the UK for the simple reason they cannot afford to buy let alone rent in most of the major towns and cities where the work is.
I suspect the same goes for everyone who doesn't have a place already to live |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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"The Government - rightly - don't want cheap labour from the EU (or anywhere else), taking jobs that British workers could be doing, for higher wages.
Unfortunately, the majority of business donors to the Conservative Party (including the big ones) are in favour of cheap labour - from any nation - in order to maximise their profits, bonuses for CEOs and/or dividends for shareholders.
None of these "captains of industry", nor the Conservative Party, were in favour of the National Minimum Wage, when it was introduced.
To be fair to them, they haven't abolished it and, indeed, have increased it. Not to adequate levels - but at least they haven't cut it.
However, it's a difficult circle for the Tories to square - are they really going to tell employers they'll have to pay higher wages - and take a hit to their profits - if they want to stay in business at all?
It's looking like they may have to - even allowing for the usual exploitation of poorly qualified workers and those in the gig economy - there aren't enough potential employees to go round; especially in certain industries critical to the smooth running of the UK.
Technically, they're arguing for full employment on high wages - which is very socialist of them.
I hope they manage it - I'm just not at all confident they can. Let's face it; they've never tried it before."
Politically to abolish it would be suicide ....easier to manage it to a lower level and have legitimate cheap labour ... |
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"Darlington are government jobs that used to be in London Amazon pay well above minimum wage and teesport are lots of new jobs have you heard of the factory been built for carbon capture a few months back you where saying you won’t believe in any jobs there until you see them we’ll pop down mate it’s all go take a look for yourself
The senior jobs at Darlington are transfers
Amazon are paying above minimum wage, whoopy do, paying more than a care home.
Carbon capture , just how many jobs is that bringing, 10, 20, 50?
All it takes is a cursory examination and BoZo promises fall apart.only transfers if they want to transfer 1500 jobs can’t all be transfers and above minimum wage wtf would you prefer minimum wage teesport is creating upto 20000 jobs and you still not happy can you remember a time when Teesside had as many jobs as now I can’t and I don’t know anyone unemployed but I’m guessing you know lots lol
I have to laugh, sorry. The evidence for up to 20k jobs is what? By the way a snappy one liner from a minister is not evidence, it's hype and spin. I remember a teesside with a thriving steel industry and a thriving chemical industry. Whats wrong with knowing people who are unfortunately without a steady job, are they lesser people? What's your view on them?nothing wrong with them at all it’s just I don’t know any all my mates work
Nice to see that you don't look down on them, shame that can't be said about the conservative party en masse, not sure if it was BoZo or Grease Smugg who described them as feckless and stupid. iv never looked down me nose at anyone as for blowjob and his crew I couldn’t care less about them never have they have to spend a stupid amount of money in the north if they want to stay in power and labour have to promise to spend more if they want to get in so it’s a win win to me "
Here's the issue, they want to make it look like they are spending more, without spending more.
A19 upgrade to motorway status?
Duelling of the A1
Electrification of trans pennine route
All doable and within a reasonable time scale, instead we get an already failed scheme for a free port ( yes it's been tried before and it failed ), some half arsed jam tomorrow announcements and the gutting of local authorities.
I want a PM who doesn't lie and then covers up his lies with more lies. That's NOT BoZo |
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All of the above have been spoken about for decades tho nothing new there and you want a leader who doesn’t lie ffs every political lies that’s what they do maybe we need a leader who’s not a politician like the USA had would that please you ? The Freeport is fantastic for Teesside I don’t know why you keep putting it down like I said go have a look at all the work going on down there instead of moaning about your own area |
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"All of the above have been spoken about for decades tho nothing new there and you want a leader who doesn’t lie ffs every political lies that’s what they do maybe we need a leader who’s not a politician like the USA had would that please you ? The Freeport is fantastic for Teesside I don’t know why you keep putting it down like I said go have a look at all the work going on down there instead of moaning about your own area "
Politicians lie because we let them get away with it.
Freeport's have been tried before, they were abandoned because they didn't work.
I want the best for my area, that means not settling for crumbs from the table. |
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So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"All of the above have been spoken about for decades tho nothing new there and you want a leader who doesn’t lie ffs every political lies that’s what they do maybe we need a leader who’s not a politician like the USA had would that please you ? The Freeport is fantastic for Teesside I don’t know why you keep putting it down like I said go have a look at all the work going on down there instead of moaning about your own area
Politicians lie because we let them get away with it.
Freeport's have been tried before, they were abandoned because they didn't work.
I want the best for my area, that means not settling for crumbs from the table."
I not heard of these free ports until recently but in the news today the SNP seem all for them too and are setting up some of their own as well as having the UK ones. Maybe they are wrong too, only time will tell |
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"All of the above have been spoken about for decades tho nothing new there and you want a leader who doesn’t lie ffs every political lies that’s what they do maybe we need a leader who’s not a politician like the USA had would that please you ? The Freeport is fantastic for Teesside I don’t know why you keep putting it down like I said go have a look at all the work going on down there instead of moaning about your own area
Politicians lie because we let them get away with it.
Freeport's have been tried before, they were abandoned because they didn't work.
I want the best for my area, that means not settling for crumbs from the table.
I not heard of these free ports until recently but in the news today the SNP seem all for them too and are setting up some of their own as well as having the UK ones. Maybe they are wrong too, only time will tell"
trust me there’s ppl on here who will say they are wrong we have lots of experts on here that’s for sure lol |
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho "
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much. |
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much."
sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol |
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol"
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
BoZo ?? here's a Freeport"
British steel was great while it lasted closed under Labour tho James cook is fantastic hospital not sure how much it’s costing the nhs tho are you ? |
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British workers undercut themselves.
I worked for a ground handling company at Gatwick, they got rid of everyone on the good contract. I was on £14 an hour, with overtime, sick pay and increments for time served. The new contract was £9 an hour, flat rate, no sick pay. That happened about 2005.
They blamed it on the likes of Sleazyjet and Ryanair, as they kept cutting what they were paying us.
I got into the training side of things. There would be an induction group of 30, once they got their shift pattern, there would be 5. 4 of them would be eastern european, as most of the uk trainees didn't want to work weekends, didn't want to get in work for 4am, didn't want to work nights and certainly didn't like off loading 200 plus bags and loading the same amount on the plane. The eastern europeans just got stuck in and did the job. |
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
BoZo ?? here's a Freeport British steel was great while it lasted closed under Labour tho James cook is fantastic hospital not sure how much it’s costing the nhs tho are you ?"
Yes, very sure , the biggest financial drag on James Cook hospital is the interest payments. No British steel was not closed under labour. Try again. |
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
BoZo ?? here's a Freeport British steel was great while it lasted closed under Labour tho James cook is fantastic hospital not sure how much it’s costing the nhs tho are you ?
Yes, very sure , the biggest financial drag on James Cook hospital is the interest payments. No British steel was not closed under labour. Try again."
Cough cough
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2002/feb/10/uk.partyfunding
But Blair started the dimise 2002 |
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
BoZo ?? here's a Freeport British steel was great while it lasted closed under Labour tho James cook is fantastic hospital not sure how much it’s costing the nhs tho are you ?
Yes, very sure , the biggest financial drag on James Cook hospital is the interest payments. No British steel was not closed under labour. Try again.
Cough cough
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2002/feb/10/uk.partyfunding
But Blair started the dimise 2002 "
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
BoZo ?? here's a Freeport British steel was great while it lasted closed under Labour tho James cook is fantastic hospital not sure how much it’s costing the nhs tho are you ?
Yes, very sure , the biggest financial drag on James Cook hospital is the interest payments. No British steel was not closed under labour. Try again."
im not 100% sure but wasn’t Gordon brown pm when he allowed it to close maybe it wasn’t called British steel then the tias may of owned it then |
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"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
BoZo ?? here's a Freeport British steel was great while it lasted closed under Labour tho James cook is fantastic hospital not sure how much it’s costing the nhs tho are you ?
Yes, very sure , the biggest financial drag on James Cook hospital is the interest payments. No British steel was not closed under labour. Try again.im not 100% sure but wasn’t Gordon brown pm when he allowed it to close maybe it wasn’t called British steel then the tias may of owned it then "
Closed by official receiver 2015
PM was Cameron
Local MP in charge of the "northern powerhouse" James Wharton.
Primary reason given for closure was given as cheap Chinese steel, the EU tried to put tariffs on the imports, UK blocked it.
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
Spain, Lancs |
"So you agree all politicians lie so what are you going to do about that then ? And if the Freeport’s are crap why did so many ports fight to have them then ? And when in your life time have you seen investment in Teesside like you do now ? It’s easy to moan about brexit amd the torries but there here to stay unless labour find a decent leader and sort out there shit I’m not holding my breath tho
Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
BoZo ?? here's a Freeport British steel was great while it lasted closed under Labour tho James cook is fantastic hospital not sure how much it’s costing the nhs tho are you ?
Yes, very sure , the biggest financial drag on James Cook hospital is the interest payments. No British steel was not closed under labour. Try again.im not 100% sure but wasn’t Gordon brown pm when he allowed it to close maybe it wasn’t called British steel then the tias may of owned it then
Closed by official receiver 2015
PM was Cameron
Local MP in charge of the "northern powerhouse" James Wharton.
Primary reason given for closure was given as cheap Chinese steel, the EU tried to put tariffs on the imports, UK blocked it.
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The reason UK steelworks have closed is because of the UK's lunatic energy prices which the Chinese don't have to suffer.
These high prices are brought about by taxes and 'green tariffs' due to the 'climate change' enthusiasts.
There is an EU element to this as the EU hands out carbon targets |
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Yes we need lots of training now, before we can do anything, how to pick up a box correctly and fire training, don't leave the toaster on and..... wash hand training and..... sky can't climb ladders
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"Yes we need lots of training now, before we can do anything, how to pick up a box correctly and fire training, don't leave the toaster on and..... wash hand training and..... sky can't climb ladders
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haha spot on lol |
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Areas wanted them because they are desperate for any benefits investment after a decade plus of austerity.
When have I seen investment like this is teesside, you might want to look back to the 70's and under Blair.
If a politician lies then you and me have a moral duty to expose the lies.
Maybe if more people did it we wouldn't have to endure crap quite so much.sorry I was a kid in the 70s mate don’t remember much about them and under Blair what the hell did Teesside get back then I don’t recall much from blair? I don’t think exposing politians lies on a swingers site will do much good lol
70's massive investment in British steel
Blair, James Cook hospital
BoZo ?? here's a Freeport British steel was great while it lasted closed under Labour tho James cook is fantastic hospital not sure how much it’s costing the nhs tho are you ?
Yes, very sure , the biggest financial drag on James Cook hospital is the interest payments. No British steel was not closed under labour. Try again.im not 100% sure but wasn’t Gordon brown pm when he allowed it to close maybe it wasn’t called British steel then the tias may of owned it then
Closed by official receiver 2015
PM was Cameron
Local MP in charge of the "northern powerhouse" James Wharton.
Primary reason given for closure was given as cheap Chinese steel, the EU tried to put tariffs on the imports, UK blocked it.
The reason UK steelworks have closed is because of the UK's lunatic energy prices which the Chinese don't have to suffer.
These high prices are brought about by taxes and 'green tariffs' due to the 'climate change' enthusiasts.
There is an EU element to this as the EU hands out carbon targets"
Those will be the carbon targets our government agreed to.
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"Full employment and increasing wages has happened many times and in many countries.
To be fair it has rarely, if ever, happened in the EU because the EU is a jobs-destruction machine"
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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There's a bit more to it than that
The UK had already agreed lunatic carbon-reduction targets.
The EU negotiated for the whole of the EU ...and incorporated the UK's figure into the EU figure!
That meant the EU got a partial free ride from our own 'green levies'.
But yes, these climate-change taxes are the reason for the loss of many jobs |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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"Full employment and increasing wages has happened many times and in many countries.
To be fair it has rarely, if ever, happened in the EU because the EU is a jobs-destruction machinewhat do you call full employment? Do you have examples?"
The actual definition of full employment is debatable. For example, some people will always appear as unemployed because they are between jobs or in the act of leaving/joining the labour force.
But the UK was generally regarded as having full employment in the 50s and 60s when unemployment was 2-3%.
That seems reasonable to me. What do you think? |
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"There's a bit more to it than that
The UK had already agreed lunatic carbon-reduction targets.
The EU negotiated for the whole of the EU ...and incorporated the UK's figure into the EU figure!
That meant the EU got a partial free ride from our own 'green levies'.
But yes, these climate-change taxes are the reason for the loss of many jobs"
"Lunatic" yeah, that's the right term for trying to save the planet |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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"There's a bit more to it than that
The UK had already agreed lunatic carbon-reduction targets.
The EU negotiated for the whole of the EU ...and incorporated the UK's figure into the EU figure!
That meant the EU got a partial free ride from our own 'green levies'.
But yes, these climate-change taxes are the reason for the loss of many jobs
"Lunatic" yeah, that's the right term for trying to save the planet "
Have you any evidence that they are actually saving the planet?
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"There's a bit more to it than that
The UK had already agreed lunatic carbon-reduction targets.
The EU negotiated for the whole of the EU ...and incorporated the UK's figure into the EU figure!
That meant the EU got a partial free ride from our own 'green levies'.
But yes, these climate-change taxes are the reason for the loss of many jobs
"Lunatic" yeah, that's the right term for trying to save the planet
Have you any evidence that they are actually saving the planet?
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Yes, scientists are in unanimous agreement that reduced carbon emissions will reduce the impact of global warming.
You got any evidence it won't work? |
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By *I TwoCouple
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"There's a bit more to it than that
The UK had already agreed lunatic carbon-reduction targets.
The EU negotiated for the whole of the EU ...and incorporated the UK's figure into the EU figure!
That meant the EU got a partial free ride from our own 'green levies'.
But yes, these climate-change taxes are the reason for the loss of many jobs
"Lunatic" yeah, that's the right term for trying to save the planet
Have you any evidence that they are actually saving the planet?
Yes, scientists are in unanimous agreement that reduced carbon emissions will reduce the impact of global warming.
You got any evidence it won't work?"
Well it didn't work the last time we had global warming did it ? |
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"There's a bit more to it than that
The UK had already agreed lunatic carbon-reduction targets.
The EU negotiated for the whole of the EU ...and incorporated the UK's figure into the EU figure!
That meant the EU got a partial free ride from our own 'green levies'.
But yes, these climate-change taxes are the reason for the loss of many jobs
"Lunatic" yeah, that's the right term for trying to save the planet
Have you any evidence that they are actually saving the planet?
Yes, scientists are in unanimous agreement that reduced carbon emissions will reduce the impact of global warming.
You got any evidence it won't work?
Well it didn't work the last time we had global warming did it ?"
I'm sorry, that's bonkers. |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"There's a bit more to it than that
The UK had already agreed lunatic carbon-reduction targets.
The EU negotiated for the whole of the EU ...and incorporated the UK's figure into the EU figure!
That meant the EU got a partial free ride from our own 'green levies'.
But yes, these climate-change taxes are the reason for the loss of many jobs
"Lunatic" yeah, that's the right term for trying to save the planet
Have you any evidence that they are actually saving the planet?
Yes, scientists are in unanimous agreement that reduced carbon emissions will reduce the impact of global warming.
You got any evidence it won't work?
Well it didn't work the last time we had global warming did it ?"
You mean after the last Ice Age, before humans had properly developed farming; roughly 12,000 years before we started burning fossil fuels?
FFS! |
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"There's a bit more to it than that
The UK had already agreed lunatic carbon-reduction targets.
The EU negotiated for the whole of the EU ...and incorporated the UK's figure into the EU figure!
That meant the EU got a partial free ride from our own 'green levies'.
But yes, these climate-change taxes are the reason for the loss of many jobs
"Lunatic" yeah, that's the right term for trying to save the planet
Have you any evidence that they are actually saving the planet?
Yes, scientists are in unanimous agreement that reduced carbon emissions will reduce the impact of global warming.
You got any evidence it won't work?
Well it didn't work the last time we had global warming did it ?
You mean after the last Ice Age, before humans had properly developed farming; roughly 12,000 years before we started burning fossil fuels?
FFS!"
What is the impact of a volcano? |
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over a year ago
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Flat earthers, climate change deniers, brexiters, what else , anti vaccers… we got all the idiots in one group this evening haha
Thanks for showing yourselves. |
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it could be solved overnight by the very people making most of the noise, switch your lights off, turn the heating down stop flying abroad..... stop buying clothes every week and then throwing it... etc etc
but like the insulate britain guy, calling people out and shouting how stupid they are for not following his advice... only to find he hasnt insulated his own home lol people preach one thing and do another  |
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"it could be solved overnight by the very people making most of the noise, switch your lights off, turn the heating down stop flying abroad..... stop buying clothes every week and then throwing it... etc etc
but like the insulate britain guy, calling people out and shouting how stupid they are for not following his advice... only to find he hasnt insulated his own home lol people preach one thing and do another "
like our politicians lol |
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"it could be solved overnight by the very people making most of the noise, switch your lights off, turn the heating down stop flying abroad..... stop buying clothes every week and then throwing it... etc etc
but like the insulate britain guy, calling people out and shouting how stupid they are for not following his advice... only to find he hasnt insulated his own home lol people preach one thing and do another like our politicians lol"
Yes they are like everyone else! Besides Greta |
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"The government aren't interested in the majority of the people and aren't likely to speak the truth and especially the truth about their ideals, which work against the majority.
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tbf they did go with the majority regarding brexit tho lol |
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"The government aren't interested in the majority of the people and aren't likely to speak the truth and especially the truth about their ideals, which work against the majority.
tbf they did go with the majority regarding brexit tho lol"
You might want to pick your words more carefully |
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"The government aren't interested in the majority of the people and aren't likely to speak the truth and especially the truth about their ideals, which work against the majority.
tbf they did go with the majority regarding brexit tho lol
You might want to pick your words more carefully"
why |
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"The government aren't interested in the majority of the people and aren't likely to speak the truth and especially the truth about their ideals, which work against the majority.
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populist but not interested in majority! thats the problem half the time, offer free sweets and the majority say yes, offer the hygienist and the majority say no |
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