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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Some old recordings of Gove have come to light. In them, he's openly racist, homophobic, sexist and classist.
The sad thing is, I wasn't even surprised to hear him say things like "the fuzzy wuzzies can't look after themselves".
I was also unsurprised to hear the utter contempt he seems to hold the North in: “We are at last experiencing a new empire: an empire where the happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty, toothless face of the northerner."
There was more. They were just the highlights.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people. "
We’re you homophobic, racist and sexist in your early 20s?
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people. "
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards  |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards "
Of course, he can acknowledge what he said was unacceptable and apologise first |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
Of course, he can acknowledge what he said was unacceptable and apologise first "
Apologise to who? He doesn't need to apologise to me if that's what you're suggesting |
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"Some old recordings of Gove have come to light. In them, he's openly racist, homophobic, sexist and classist.
The sad thing is, I wasn't even surprised to hear him say things like "the fuzzy wuzzies can't look after themselves".
I was also unsurprised to hear the utter contempt he seems to hold the North in: “We are at last experiencing a new empire: an empire where the happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty, toothless face of the northerner."
There was more. They were just the highlights.
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When you say old recordings just how old are we talking about? |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
We’re you homophobic, racist and sexist in your early 20s?
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I made comments that came in to all of those categories in my late teens early twenties yes.. mostly before I moved away from where I lived ventured out in to the big wide world … met new and different people and cultures and grew as a person. |
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"Some old recordings of Gove have come to light. In them, he's openly racist, homophobic, sexist and classist.
The sad thing is, I wasn't even surprised to hear him say things like "the fuzzy wuzzies can't look after themselves".
I was also unsurprised to hear the utter contempt he seems to hold the North in: “We are at last experiencing a new empire: an empire where the happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty, toothless face of the northerner."
There was more. They were just the highlights.
When you say old recordings just how old are we talking about? "
Late 80s / early 90s by the sounds of things whilst at uni |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
We’re you homophobic, racist and sexist in your early 20s?
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I was. Alternative comedy and Billy Bragg eventually cured me. LOL |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Maybe it's worth mentioning Gove was an adult when he said these things. He wasn't just a dumb kid saying dumb things.
These also were not things he d*unkenly said down the pub to try and impress some dickhead mates. And he didn't come up with these things off the cuff. He said these things in formal debates. He'd thought about them and written them down first.
And if anybody wants to argue that Gove became a nicer, better person over time... um ... this is Gove we're talking about.
Anwyway, feel free to go back to defending the odious Gove. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Doesn't matter how long ago he said them - the fact is that he was an adult when he said them, thought them, believed them and articulated these views in public. Then he became an MP and a political figure with power and influence over British public policy.
There were major campaigns against racism back when he said these things. They were odious beliefs then and definitely now. Since the reports have come out, I haven't seen anywhere where he's acknowledged saying them and apologised.
Once an odious little racist Tory, always a scumbag. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Once an odious little racist Tory, always a scumbag.
Congratulations on an amazing bit of prejudice. "
She's judging Gove based on things he wrote and said. (And likely odious things he has done later in life when in government too.) That's the opposite of prejudice. |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people. "
Absolutely...I bet we've all said and did some cringeworthy shit in the past. |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
We’re you homophobic, racist and sexist in your early 20s?
I made comments that came in to all of those categories in my late teens early twenties yes.. mostly before I moved away from where I lived ventured out in to the big wide world … met new and different people and cultures and grew as a person."
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By (user no longer on site)
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Once an odious little racist Tory, always a scumbag.
Congratulations on an amazing bit of prejudice. "
You're welcome x My prejudices never hurt other people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
Of course, he can acknowledge what he said was unacceptable and apologise first
Apologise to who? He doesn't need to apologise to me if that's what you're suggesting "
So you think what he said was acceptable? He is a government minister |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
Of course, he can acknowledge what he said was unacceptable and apologise first
Apologise to who? He doesn't need to apologise to me if that's what you're suggesting
So you think what he said was acceptable? He is a government minister "
But not said whilst a government minister. He was at uni and a good 30 years ago. All this is, is someone with an axe to grind brining up old dirt from a bygone time because they don’t have anything recent to use. Same thing that happened to people like James Gunn, another who has changed since he was a young man before gaining the experiences life can bring you through. |
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Once an odious little racist Tory, always a scumbag.
Congratulations on an amazing bit of prejudice.
You're welcome x My prejudices never hurt other people."
So saying someone will always be a scumbag because they support the tory’s and have in the past said something racist does not hurt them?
Pretty sure getting called a scumbag can hurt just as much as a sexist name or a resist name.
What you really mean is that you dont care if your prejudices hurt people that you don’t agree with or like. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
Of course, he can acknowledge what he said was unacceptable and apologise first
Apologise to who? He doesn't need to apologise to me if that's what you're suggesting
So you think what he said was acceptable? He is a government minister
But not said whilst a government minister. He was at uni and a good 30 years ago. All this is, is someone with an axe to grind brining up old dirt from a bygone time because they don’t have anything recent to use. Same thing that happened to people like James Gunn, another who has changed since he was a young man before gaining the experiences life can bring you through."
He was 23,  |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"(I'm curious why these recordings were found now, though. I wonder who's trying to screw him at this particular time and why.)"
, , , my thoughts exactly , however did notice a slight shift in opinion polls with Labour closing ground but one report suggesting this was not Labour gaining support more the tories losing votes apparently to Reform ( ex UKIP /BrexitParty ) , so if the tories are losing votes at the extreme right wing of their party a story about a minister and racist comments may not be a bad thing for them and bring a few of their racist voters back on board
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
Of course, he can acknowledge what he said was unacceptable and apologise first
Apologise to who? He doesn't need to apologise to me if that's what you're suggesting
So you think what he said was acceptable? He is a government minister
But not said whilst a government minister. He was at uni and a good 30 years ago. All this is, is someone with an axe to grind brining up old dirt from a bygone time because they don’t have anything recent to use. Same thing that happened to people like James Gunn, another who has changed since he was a young man before gaining the experiences life can bring you through.
He was 23, "
Probably on the devils dandruff at the time.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
Of course, he can acknowledge what he said was unacceptable and apologise first
Apologise to who? He doesn't need to apologise to me if that's what you're suggesting
So you think what he said was acceptable? He is a government minister
But not said whilst a government minister. He was at uni and a good 30 years ago. All this is, is someone with an axe to grind brining up old dirt from a bygone time because they don’t have anything recent to use. Same thing that happened to people like James Gunn, another who has changed since he was a young man before gaining the experiences life can bring you through.
He was 23, Probably on the devils dandruff at the time. "
He has been on it ever since |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
Of course, he can acknowledge what he said was unacceptable and apologise first
Apologise to who? He doesn't need to apologise to me if that's what you're suggesting
So you think what he said was acceptable? He is a government minister
But not said whilst a government minister. He was at uni and a good 30 years ago. All this is, is someone with an axe to grind brining up old dirt from a bygone time because they don’t have anything recent to use. Same thing that happened to people like James Gunn, another who has changed since he was a young man before gaining the experiences life can bring you through."
Could be correct there as today is the reshuffle. Might have been a bit of manoeuvring. Someone once said he who is without sin cast the first stone |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The real question is: will Johnson - who has said sexist, racist, homophobic and classist things - condemn Gove for saying sexist, racist, homophobic and classist things.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The real question is: will Johnson - who has said sexist, racist, homophobic and classist things - condemn Gove for saying sexist, racist, homophobic and classist things. "
No, he'll promote him. It's how things work for this govt. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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In the week that Gove's comments appear he is given the job as Housing Minister , which , even if you are a fan of Gove and Johnson and you voted Tory and for the Tory brexit should make you realise the type of people leading you |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"In the week that Gove's comments appear he is given the job as Housing Minister , which , even if you are a fan of Gove and Johnson and you voted Tory and for the Tory brexit should make you realise the type of people leading you"
nobody who voted for them really cares what sort of people they are they voted for yhem for one reason only to get brexit over the line once that was done they have no intrest in what they get up to,the only ones with a problem with the torys are the ones who didnt vote for them
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If anybody wants to see what Johnson and Gove truly thought of Brexit, look up their reaction after they learned they'd won the Brexit referendum. They both looked utterly miserable. They looked very far from happy and victorious.
I'm guessing it was because they knew damn well Brexit was an awful idea. They simply rode the Brexit train because they thought it would benefit them politically. They likely thought they would lose, then they could make a couple of rousing speeches about how they'd fought the good fight. Then life could continue as normal. Except with another rung up the ladder for them.
But when they realised they'd have to deliver on the impossible promises they'd made... uh oh... |
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"In the week that Gove's comments appear he is given the job as Housing Minister , which , even if you are a fan of Gove and Johnson and you voted Tory and for the Tory brexit should make you realise the type of people leading you"
The type of people leading us are the best people for the job. Honest. Sincere. Truthful. Loyal. True blue. Take no prisoners. Sort of people you could sit around the Christmas Dinner table with your mother. No other party even close.
Just look at the last votes in the last general location. Most of the country voted Tory. We don't count Scotland. Up the tories. 10 more years. |
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"In the week that Gove's comments appear he is given the job as Housing Minister , which , even if you are a fan of Gove and Johnson and you voted Tory and for the Tory brexit should make you realise the type of people leading you
The type of people leading us are the best people for the job. Honest. Sincere. Truthful. Loyal. True blue. Take no prisoners. Sort of people you could sit around the Christmas Dinner table with your mother. No other party even close.
Just look at the last votes in the last general location. Most of the country voted Tory. We don't count Scotland. Up the tories. 10 more years. "
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"In the week that Gove's comments appear he is given the job as Housing Minister , which , even if you are a fan of Gove and Johnson and you voted Tory and for the Tory brexit should make you realise the type of people leading you
The type of people leading us are the best people for the job. Honest. Sincere. Truthful. Loyal. True blue. Take no prisoners. Sort of people you could sit around the Christmas Dinner table with your mother. No other party even close.
Just look at the last votes in the last general location. Most of the country voted Tory. We don't count Scotland. Up the tories. 10 more years. "
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other people.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards "
When you say "forward" how is taking twenty quid a week off the poorest "forward?" |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other pe ople.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
When you say "forward" how is taking twenty quid a week off the poorest "forward?""
How is that even remotely relevant to this thread?, its plain to see the poster was using the word forward in a completely different context on a completely different subject. |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other pe ople.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
When you say "forward" how is taking twenty quid a week off the poorest "forward?"
How is that even remotely relevant to this thread?, its plain to see the poster was using the word forward in a completely different context on a completely different subject."
Forward - advance, improve, make better
BoZo ?? - going backwards, making life harder, worse |
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"I’m sure glad there are no recordings of some of my conversations from the late 80s … luckily I’ve grown a lot since then, matured and have a different outlook to life and other pe ople.
Good on you. I heard a fair few homophobic comments years ago and I don't anymore. I for one wouldn't be childish enough to hold it against anyone that changed as they matured. Let's all go forward together, not backwards
When you say "forward" how is taking twenty quid a week off the poorest "forward?"
How is that even remotely relevant to this thread?, its plain to see the poster was using the word forward in a completely different context on a completely different subject.
Forward - advance, improve, make better
BoZo ?? - going backwards, making life harder, worse"
Brilliant, but thats got fuck all to do with gove and homophobia has it. |
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