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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So, does the fact that gun licence applications will from now be applicable to medical checks mean that gun licences will be linked to covid vaccines? |
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There have always been medical checks with firearms licences I had to get a write up for my doc for mine. I believe this is the same for a shotgun certificate also, although these tend to be simpler to get. |
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It’s also not a report on the specifics of drugs/vaccines you have had and more a factual report focusing on items that would make you suitable or, conversely unsuitable to hold firearms. COVID and the associated vaccines will not even feature in the thoughts of the doc compiling the report |
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Firearms licences and Shotgun certificates differ in the UK. Essentially it boils down to this. Anyone has the right to own a shotgun, uppon application in the UK (providing they meet the safe storage criteria). The onus I'd on the police to prove that you are unfit to possess a Shotgun.
A firearms licensing differs in that the onus is upon the applicant to prove that they are fit to own said firearm. There are further criteria including amongst other things, that you must justify its use and prove continued requirement. You also need prove that you have a place to use it, ie belong to a club, or have permission to hunt on private land....
As a lifelong shooter, I don't have a problem with bringing Shotgun certificates in line with firearms certificates. |
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"Firearms licences and Shotgun certificates differ in the UK. Essentially it boils down to this. Anyone has the right to own a shotgun, uppon application in the UK (providing they meet the safe storage criteria). The onus I'd on the police to prove that you are unfit to possess a Shotgun.
A firearms licensing differs in that the onus is upon the applicant to prove that they are fit to own said firearm. There are further criteria including amongst other things, that you must justify its use and prove continued requirement. You also need prove that you have a place to use it, ie belong to a club, or have permission to hunt on private land....
As a lifelong shooter, I don't have a problem with bringing Shotgun certificates in line with firearms certificates."
I’m on board with the social media checking too! |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
As an ex weapons engineer and unit armourer, I don't see why anyone needs to have gun at their residence when it is either used used at a range or at a work place. Those that need to have the gun at home should justify why, like authority approved cullers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Before Dunblane i used to own 2 handguns, both were colt 45's. One was still a standard weapon, the other was very much modified for target shooting. At the time it was a hobby i took very seriously and to be honest, spent quite a lot of money and time on. After Dunblane happened, people like myself were ridiculed, called killers, psychopaths,all sorts of names. Within a few months.............all of us had our firearms License withdrawn..........and had to surrender our guns to the police.
Which is what happened to me at the time.
So.............how come we still have handguns licenced now ? I have no fuckin idea because they were made illegal after Dunblane.
Of course the Manchester Mach2 brigade still had full use of them long after mine was taken away  |
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"As an ex weapons engineer and unit armourer, I don't see why anyone needs to have gun at their residence when it is either used used at a range or at a work place. Those that need to have the gun at home should justify why, like authority approved cullers. "
As a sporting target shooter of many different types I have a number of firearms, that are set up the way I want them to be so that I can compete. As I’m sure you know having a firearm set up for competition tolerances is a very personal thing. I travel to many different ranges to compete so keeping these locked up at hone is far and away the most convenient and safest place to have them. Frankly I would not be at all happy with having to leave over £10 grands worth of equipment anywhere else. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"As an ex weapons engineer and unit armourer, I don't see why anyone needs to have gun at their residence when it is either used used at a range or at a work place. Those that need to have the gun at home should justify why, like authority approved cullers.
As a sporting target shooter of many different types I have a number of firearms, that are set up the way I want them to be so that I can compete. As I’m sure you know having a firearm set up for competition tolerances is a very personal thing. I travel to many different ranges to compete so keeping these locked up at hone is far and away the most convenient and safest place to have them. Frankly I would not be at all happy with having to leave over £10 grands worth of equipment anywhere else."
How about ammunition supplied and stays at ranges and is not allowed out ?? Would that work ? Not a gun owner and no idea of practical stuff.
I realise hunting may be an issue but estates could have secure facility .
Also why are pump action shotguns allowed in a home surely two shots is enough ?
Not sure about exterminators though. The vermin kind not Arnold ! |
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"As an ex weapons engineer and unit armourer, I don't see why anyone needs to have gun at their residence when it is either used used at a range or at a work place. Those that need to have the gun at home should justify why, like authority approved cullers.
As a sporting target shooter of many different types I have a number of firearms, that are set up the way I want them to be so that I can compete. As I’m sure you know having a firearm set up for competition tolerances is a very personal thing. I travel to many different ranges to compete so keeping these locked up at hone is far and away the most convenient and safest place to have them. Frankly I would not be at all happy with having to leave over £10 grands worth of equipment anywhere else.
How about ammunition supplied and stays at ranges and is not allowed out ?? Would that work ? Not a gun owner and no idea of practical stuff.
I realise hunting may be an issue but estates could have secure facility .
Also why are pump action shotguns allowed in a home surely two shots is enough ?
Not sure about exterminators though. The vermin kind not Arnold ! "
I would not want to go all the way to the range, my current one being an hours drive from me to discover they do not have the caliber I need for the days shoot. The smaller rounds like .22 are readily available but larger centre fire rounds .223 can be harder to come by. Some rangers are also not set up for on site storage especially out door ranges.
On a shot gun licence you can have a shot gun but they are limited to 3 rounds (I believe two in the magazine and one chambers, but 3 is the magic number) this are no more dangerous than a semi auto shotgun or even a standard side by side / over under.
You can have a larger capacity pump action / semi auto shot gun on a full firearms certificate, but these tend to be used for a different sport, something called 3 gun practical. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"As an ex weapons engineer and unit armourer, I don't see why anyone needs to have gun at their residence when it is either used used at a range or at a work place. Those that need to have the gun at home should justify why, like authority approved cullers.
As a sporting target shooter of many different types I have a number of firearms, that are set up the way I want them to be so that I can compete. As I’m sure you know having a firearm set up for competition tolerances is a very personal thing. I travel to many different ranges to compete so keeping these locked up at hone is far and away the most convenient and safest place to have them. Frankly I would not be at all happy with having to leave over £10 grands worth of equipment anywhere else.
How about ammunition supplied and stays at ranges and is not allowed out ?? Would that work ? Not a gun owner and no idea of practical stuff.
I realise hunting may be an issue but estates could have secure facility .
Also why are pump action shotguns allowed in a home surely two shots is enough ?
Not sure about exterminators though. The vermin kind not Arnold !
I would not want to go all the way to the range, my current one being an hours drive from me to discover they do not have the caliber I need for the days shoot. The smaller rounds like .22 are readily available but larger centre fire rounds .223 can be harder to come by. Some rangers are also not set up for on site storage especially out door ranges.
On a shot gun licence you can have a shot gun but they are limited to 3 rounds (I believe two in the magazine and one chambers, but 3 is the magic number) this are no more dangerous than a semi auto shotgun or even a standard side by side / over under.
You can have a larger capacity pump action / semi auto shot gun on a full firearms certificate, but these tend to be used for a different sport, something called 3 gun practical. "
But if it’s your range they would know to carry a stock for you surely?
I used a gun range ( a couple of times only ) where they kept a range of guns for people to try including hand guns .
I didn’t need to take it home as I wasn’t going to shoot anywhere’s but at the range .
Being required to be a secure facility might improve the standards all round.
Thanks for the explanation on the pump action I had no idea . Last time I fired a 4 10 I was at school.
If the nutcase in Plymouth couldn’t get cartridges to take away he would have just had a heavy stick!
Are cartridges able to be purchased by post ?
I’m not saying I have good suggestions I’m curious to understand how it could be safer . |
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You can’t buy any ammunition via the post, as you need to show your licence and have what you bought entered on it, I believe the rules are slightly different for shotgun cartridges.
The ammo thing is not really that simple as the large amount that would need to be stored, I can use any nra affiliated range in the country. I also do home loads (where you fill your own brass with powder and a bullet) it keeps the costs down and allows in my opinion for a more consistent round than commercial, this takes a fair amount of time and just would not be possible at a range before a shoot. There also many different brands and loads for any given caliber and everyone has their own preference, in fact when it comes to the simple .22 some guns just will not cycle if you use them. There are so many variables it just would not work. One bullet of a given caliber does not equal another.
In the end of the day it has been 10 years since a legally held firearm has been used in a situation like this, there are many more knife attacks in that time.
On the whole if someone is going to do something like this, they will find away. Granted firearms make it easier but we have seen equally high death numbers from attacks using vehicles or blades weapons in recent years.
I personally do not count a shotgun certificate in the same league as a full firearms certificate, as they are much easier to get. Unfortunately the media is not making that distinction which in my opinion is making it sound more scary to people in the know.
It took me over a year to get my certificate from the start of the process. A shotgun certificate is nothing like that.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"You can’t buy any ammunition via the post, as you need to show your licence and have what you bought entered on it, I believe the rules are slightly different for shotgun cartridges.
The ammo thing is not really that simple as the large amount that would need to be stored, I can use any nra affiliated range in the country. I also do home loads (where you fill your own brass with powder and a bullet) it keeps the costs down and allows in my opinion for a more consistent round than commercial, this takes a fair amount of time and just would not be possible at a range before a shoot. There also many different brands and loads for any given caliber and everyone has their own preference, in fact when it comes to the simple .22 some guns just will not cycle if you use them. There are so many variables it just would not work. One bullet of a given caliber does not equal another.
In the end of the day it has been 10 years since a legally held firearm has been used in a situation like this, there are many more knife attacks in that time.
On the whole if someone is going to do something like this, they will find away. Granted firearms make it easier but we have seen equally high death numbers from attacks using vehicles or blades weapons in recent years.
I personally do not count a shotgun certificate in the same league as a full firearms certificate, as they are much easier to get. Unfortunately the media is not making that distinction which in my opinion is making it sound more scary to people in the know.
It took me over a year to get my certificate from the start of the process. A shotgun certificate is nothing like that.
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So basically unless your a farmer or own a clay pigeon shoot then shot guns should be difficult to acquire. Poor legislation.
I not convinced by the knife killing as many comment. The little girl may not have died if her father could have hit the guy before he used a knife. The poor buggers had no chance against a gun.
Also there are 30 million cars in the U.K. with around 2000 deaths. 90% accidents or self inflicted drink driving speeding etc. Curious to know the number of deaths if there were 30million guns .
I understand you’re pro and it’s your passion but personally I don’t see any reason why we allow any personally held guns in a family home.
In America which I agree is a mad house where gun crime is considered they blame illegal guns for all the crime.
They didn’t start off as illegal guns.
It’s impossible for the police to asses anyone’s mental health to any degree of accuracy. Professional psychiatrists regularly let people out of prison to commit repeat offenses.
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The police do not assess any applicants medical or mental suitability that is handled by your gp who has full access to your records. This check is the repeated every 5 years. And doctors have a flag on records to inform the police of anything that would affect the licence at any point between that time.
Your argument about the number of cars on the road is a straw man, I was talking about situations like the ones in London where a vehicle was specifically used in a deliberate attack, not accidents. In the same way as an attack with a firearm there is very little the person on the street can do against that attack.
The uk firearms community and mentality is very different to that of the states, unfortunately that’s not really talked about. Firearms in the uk are very much about tools used in sport and skill, firearms in the us are more seen as weapons. |
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"The police do not assess any applicants medical or mental suitability that is handled by your gp who has full access to your records. This check is the repeated every 5 years. And doctors have a flag on records to inform the police of anything that would affect the licence at any point between that time.
Your argument about the number of cars on the road is a straw man, I was talking about situations like the ones in London where a vehicle was specifically used in a deliberate attack, not accidents. In the same way as an attack with a firearm there is very little the person on the street can do against that attack.
The uk firearms community and mentality is very different to that of the states, unfortunately that’s not really talked about. Firearms in the uk are very much about tools used in sport and skill, firearms in the us are more seen as weapons."
Nicely put |
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