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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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NHS staff are to receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April.
I know there are plenty who will argue this still isn't enough but can we at least agree that this is better than the 1%.
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"NHS staff are to receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April.
I know there are plenty who will argue this still isn't enough but can we at least agree that this is better than the 1%.
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Yep I agree on both accounts, its still not really enough but at least its a better than the original 1% offering as you say. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"This excludes nearly all doctors and many nurses as well. It’s a bit of a PR stunt."
The pay rise does not include doctors and dentists in training who have their own separate, multi-year contracts.
Can you provide the info on your claim? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Apparently the unions are gonna reject it and call for industrial action.
Good on them  "
Both Unite and Unison say its a step in the right direction.
Why would they strike now but not after 1% was announced? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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3% better than 1% but after a multi year freeze. The NHS operates on goodwill. Lose that and things go badly wrong.
Pay freeze for the Police though.
Fair enough. They don't do anything useful or dangerous.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/john-apter-priti-patel-government-nick-thomassymonds-commons-b947021.html
Ironically a reason for the increase in numbers (to pre-cut figures) were to ensure their support in case of civil disturbance. Hmmm  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57924271"
Our next steps will be to consult with our members about their view on the award.
"And once we have their view - which we suspect will be to say they are unhappy about the level - we will then be considering with them what the next steps might be, which could include consideration of industrial action most certainly."
How that translates to your claim I have no idea  |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? "
Well considering there has been nearly a decade of pay feezes/pay caps, I'd say its long overdue. |
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The Government has had to spend 8.7 billion this month servicing its 2.2 Trillion debt , that’s 6 billion more than June 2020 due to inflation on Bonds ,might as we’ll give them all they want it’s a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme off things |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Well all is not what it seems. According to the Guardian today the NHS has to fund part of the increase itself with cost savings. More bullshit from Boris and Co. So when little Jonny’s operation is cancelled or aunt maud dies because her drugs are too costly., who ya gonna blame? Yep the nurses and their outrageous greed, not the government ! |
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"Well all is not what it seems. According to the Guardian today the NHS has to fund part of the increase itself with cost savings. More bullshit from Boris and Co. So when little Jonny’s operation is cancelled or aunt maud dies because her drugs are too costly., who ya gonna blame? Yep the nurses and their outrageous greed, not the government ! "
Heard that yday.
There was someone from.the BMa on the radio saying there is no way,it wont be toom out of the front line services budget. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Yep, it would appear this pay rise is going to come from the NHS budget. They ate saying it will not effect frontline services.
It would be nice to know from where within the budget it's gonna come. Doubt that'll be made public though. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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In all honesty I think the NHS is badly run from an admin point of view. Far too many managers .
The fact there’s 1 admin back office for every front line worker is just crazy. What other organisation providing a service could survive with those overheads?
I’m not saying for one moment how to fix it as I don’t have a clue but personal family members show me the gravy train of a lot of senior people in the NHS
Maybe a saving would be it the bank contractors pay . How can they leave and come back a fortnight later on twice the cost?
Procurement and HR needs to sort this out.
Offer the flexible working that contracting gives but pay pro rata. Manage it rather than outsourcing .
I can only comment on what I’ve been told by family members and I’m sure their views aren’t 100% true across the board.
I also want to balance this as I witnessed first hand a secretary at an outpatients clinic, greeting , sorting paperwork, answering the phones and she carried this out all alone as four nurses just took papered backwards and forwards to the consultants. No nursing involved as that was undertaken by other nurses.
That is appalling management and totally unfair on that harassed receptionist.
I wonder how many managers she has above her!
Please don’t let my moaning detract from the amazing people we do have in the NHS. I’m just a grumpy tax payer . Well done all of you for handling Covid in such a nightmare scenario . |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"In all honesty I think the NHS is badly run from an admin point of view. Far too many managers .
The fact there’s 1 admin back office for every front line worker is just crazy. What other organisation providing a service could survive with those overheads?
I’m not saying for one moment how to fix it as I don’t have a clue but personal family members show me the gravy train of a lot of senior people in the NHS
Maybe a saving would be it the bank contractors pay . How can they leave and come back a fortnight later on twice the cost?
Procurement and HR needs to sort this out.
Offer the flexible working that contracting gives but pay pro rata. Manage it rather than outsourcing .
I can only comment on what I’ve been told by family members and I’m sure their views aren’t 100% true across the board.
I also want to balance this as I witnessed first hand a secretary at an outpatients clinic, greeting , sorting paperwork, answering the phones and she carried this out all alone as four nurses just took papered backwards and forwards to the consultants. No nursing involved as that was undertaken by other nurses.
That is appalling management and totally unfair on that harassed receptionist.
I wonder how many managers she has above her!
Please don’t let my moaning detract from the amazing people we do have in the NHS. I’m just a grumpy tax payer . Well done all of you for handling Covid in such a nightmare scenario . "
Reorganisation after reorganisation with the creation of "internal markets" and there measurement get a huge organisation into this sort of situation.
I agree that there are a lot of improvements possible, but the starting point is understanding what is supposed to be happening! |
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"I'm just waiting to see how much the MPs are going to get "
More than the nurses i will wager, and will any of them turn it down and say give to the nurses and front line workers you deserve it the most?, I very much doubt, they will all take there money and smile sweetly no matter which party they belong too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all honesty I think the NHS is badly run from an admin point of view. Far too many managers ."
I was a nurse when thatcher inserted lots of managers with odd job titles. Colleagues and myself were mystified as to whst use they were |
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"In all honesty I think the NHS is badly run from an admin point of view. Far too many managers .
I was a nurse when thatcher inserted lots of managers with odd job titles. Colleagues and myself were mystified as to whst use they were "
A family member of mine who retired earlier this year after 30 yrs working for the NHS always said that there were "far too many chiefs and not enough indians" to use there words. |
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"No one Is saying its perfect but it should be treated with respect and not contempt."
Totally agree with you there mate, it should be and should of been treated with far more respect from the very first moment, it is something that is took for granted by far too many in my opinion. |
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"No one Is saying its perfect but it should be treated with respect and not contempt.
Totally agree with you there mate, it should be and should of been treated with far more respect from the very first moment, it is something that is took for granted by far too many in my opinion."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No one Is saying its perfect but it should be treated with respect and not contempt.
Totally agree with you there mate, it should be and should of been treated with far more respect from the very first moment, it is something that is took for granted by far too many in my opinion.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its one of the best socialist projects ever, and i think it's a long term project of the tories to slowly and steadily dismantle the NHS for profiteers to step in |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf "
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine 
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good "
yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first "
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? "
where did I say that ??? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???"
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? "
. Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic "
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog? |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?"
no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"No one Is saying its perfect but it should be treated with respect and not contempt.
Totally agree with you there mate, it should be and should of been treated with far more respect from the very first moment, it is something that is took for granted by far too many in my opinion."
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying "
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic? |
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"1% is a 2.7% real terms pay cut
3% is a 0.7% real terms pay cut
How did you get to those figures?"
Inflation is predicted to be 3.7% so anyone getting a pay ‘rise’ less than that is getting v a real terms pay cut. |
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"1% is a 2.7% real terms pay cut
3% is a 0.7% real terms pay cut
How did you get to those figures?
Inflation is predicted to be 3.7% so anyone getting a pay ‘rise’ less than that is getting v a real terms pay cut."
If that figure does come true then the majority of people in this country won't be getting a pay rise at all, there is just no way that many businesses already on there arse are going to be able to afford those sorts of rises in the current economic climate. |
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"1% is a 2.7% real terms pay cut
3% is a 0.7% real terms pay cut
How did you get to those figures?
Inflation is predicted to be 3.7% so anyone getting a pay ‘rise’ less than that is getting v a real terms pay cut.
If that figure does come true then the majority of people in this country won't be getting a pay rise at all, there is just no way that many businesses already on there arse are going to be able to afford those sorts of rises in the current economic climate."
NHS staff had a 10 year pay freeze while private sector workers were getting yearly rises. They have also worked in horrific circumstances for the last 16 months and are expected to catch up on all the operations etc. that have been cancelled.
Go and sit by the bedside of a dying man, comfort him as he pays terrified knowing he is going to die without his family around him, then do it again, and again, then tell nurses they don’t deserve a pay rise because Dave at McDonalds isn’t getting one. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"1% is a 2.7% real terms pay cut
3% is a 0.7% real terms pay cut
How did you get to those figures?
Inflation is predicted to be 3.7% so anyone getting a pay ‘rise’ less than that is getting v a real terms pay cut."
Working on the predicted rate, got it. Thanks.
It's currently at 2.4% so hopefully won't rise too much more. |
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"1% is a 2.7% real terms pay cut
3% is a 0.7% real terms pay cut
How did you get to those figures?
Inflation is predicted to be 3.7% so anyone getting a pay ‘rise’ less than that is getting v a real terms pay cut.
If that figure does come true then the majority of people in this country won't be getting a pay rise at all, there is just no way that many businesses already on there arse are going to be able to afford those sorts of rises in the current economic climate.
NHS staff had a 10 year pay freeze while private sector workers were getting yearly rises. They have also worked in horrific circumstances for the last 16 months and are expected to catch up on all the operations etc. that have been cancelled.
Go and sit by the bedside of a dying man, comfort him as he pays terrified knowing he is going to die without his family around him, then do it again, and again, then tell nurses they don’t deserve a pay rise because Dave at McDonalds isn’t getting one."
I didn't say that at all, my comment was purely in relation to the comment on inflation.If you check my posts earlier in the thread you will so I do believe they should get far more so you can get off your high horse because I am someone who lost a loved one. |
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Think about this. That measly offer is awful but to follow this is the alleged independent pay review approx muted as 11/%.
They on masse accept it saying independent review yet all publc sector capped at 1%.
Why not let the indepents who review mps money review public sectors make it free from political intervention |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?"
I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs"
Good point.
Its the right time to push through Brexit, for the pm to have holidays, to build a new yacht for prince nonce,to build a new press room...but sorry simply impossible to give a proper rise to people who have worked through the pandemic. |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs
Good point.
Its the right time to push through Brexit, for the pm to have holidays, to build a new yacht for prince nonce,to build a new press room...but sorry simply impossible to give a proper rise to people who have worked through the pandemic. "
pmsl no Lionel it’s not the right time for the pm to go on holiday and you know me feelings on that fucking boat but what’s that got to do with it |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs"
You have said that NHS staff should not be discussing pay during a pandemjc, but only after it's finished.
Nobody can define when it will be "finished". I have provided three options which you have declined to choose from or to select your own option.
NHS staff were told by Government that they would get 1%. You have said that they should get more but also should not discuss theatter until some unspecified point in the future (see above). That implicitly means acceptance of a derisory pay rise. 3% was only offered (out of existing NHS funding) because there was a popular backlash.
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"NHS staff are to receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April.
I know there are plenty who will argue this still isn't enough but can we at least agree that this is better than the 1%.
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"NHS staff are to receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April.
I know there are plenty who will argue this still isn't enough but can we at least agree that this is better than the 1%.
If you want a sustainable, functioning workforce its not enough, "
Out of interest what should it be. Should it be pegged to inflation or maybe inflation plus 1% , 2% ect ect |
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over a year ago
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"NHS staff are to receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April.
I know there are plenty who will argue this still isn't enough but can we at least agree that this is better than the 1%.
If you want a sustainable, functioning workforce its not enough,
Out of interest what should it be. Should it be pegged to inflation or maybe inflation plus 1% , 2% ect ect"
There needs to be a decent bump to make up for the pay freeze that resulted in a real terms pay cut of between 10 and 20% for NHS employees. After that all wages should go up at least in line with inflation.
Thinking of the private sector, if a business is unable to match wages to inflation then is it a sustainable concern or is it just there for a quick profit?
Is a subsequent annual inflation plus 1% pay rise enough for NHS employees? I think most would be delighted with it! |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs
You have said that NHS staff should not be discussing pay during a pandemjc, but only after it's finished.
Nobody can define when it will be "finished". I have provided three options which you have declined to choose from or to select your own option.
NHS staff were told by Government that they would get 1%. You have said that they should get more but also should not discuss theatter until some unspecified point in the future (see above). That implicitly means acceptance of a derisory pay rise. 3% was only offered (out of existing NHS funding) because there was a popular backlash.
What should they do in reality, rather than your scenario that does not actually exist?"
i am so sorry I didn’t pick one of your options I didn’t know I had to mate I’m sick of telling you now they deserve more but I’d rather they discuss it when covid is under control is that ok with you ??? |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"NHS staff are to receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April.
I know there are plenty who will argue this still isn't enough but can we at least agree that this is better than the 1%.
If you want a sustainable, functioning workforce its not enough,
Out of interest what should it be. Should it be pegged to inflation or maybe inflation plus 1% , 2% ect ect
There needs to be a decent bump to make up for the pay freeze that resulted in a real terms pay cut of between 10 and 20% for NHS employees. After that all wages should go up at least in line with inflation.
Thinking of the private sector, if a business is unable to match wages to inflation then is it a sustainable concern or is it just there for a quick profit?
Is a subsequent annual inflation plus 1% pay rise enough for NHS employees? I think most would be delighted with it!"
So this year between 10 and 20% ? |
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over a year ago
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"NHS staff are to receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April.
I know there are plenty who will argue this still isn't enough but can we at least agree that this is better than the 1%.
If you want a sustainable, functioning workforce its not enough,
Out of interest what should it be. Should it be pegged to inflation or maybe inflation plus 1% , 2% ect ect"
Kept to inflation as a minimum, otherwise wr judt loose more staff |
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over a year ago
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"NHS staff are to receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April.
I know there are plenty who will argue this still isn't enough but can we at least agree that this is better than the 1%.
If you want a sustainable, functioning workforce its not enough,
Out of interest what should it be. Should it be pegged to inflation or maybe inflation plus 1% , 2% ect ect
There needs to be a decent bump to make up for the pay freeze that resulted in a real terms pay cut of between 10 and 20% for NHS employees. After that all wages should go up at least in line with inflation.
Thinking of the private sector, if a business is unable to match wages to inflation then is it a sustainable concern or is it just there for a quick profit?
Is a subsequent annual inflation plus 1% pay rise enough for NHS employees? I think most would be delighted with it!
So this year between 10 and 20% ?"
I think anywhere between 10% and 15% would be reasonable, the important thing is that it be government funded, not from within existing NHS budget. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs
You have said that NHS staff should not be discussing pay during a pandemjc, but only after it's finished.
Nobody can define when it will be "finished". I have provided three options which you have declined to choose from or to select your own option.
NHS staff were told by Government that they would get 1%. You have said that they should get more but also should not discuss theatter until some unspecified point in the future (see above). That implicitly means acceptance of a derisory pay rise. 3% was only offered (out of existing NHS funding) because there was a popular backlash.
What should they do in reality, rather than your scenario that does not actually exist?i am so sorry I didn’t pick one of your options I didn’t know I had to mate I’m sick of telling you now they deserve more but I’d rather they discuss it when covid is under control is that ok with you ???"
I have not doubted that you agree that they deserve more.
Not at all. No need to be sick about that.
You can be sick about not being able to say when the correct time for NHS staff to discuss pay other than "after Covid", but no idea about what that means in reality or how they should react to a Government that is negotiating with them anyway.
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By *lan157Man
over a year ago
a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex |
The good work done by the NHS is marked in my opinion by the lack of information on waiting lists. Any request to know where a patient is on a waiting list is met with blank looks and shrugged shoulders like it's some big secret that patients can't be trusted with. |
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"The good work done by the NHS is marked in my opinion by the lack of information on waiting lists. Any request to know where a patient is on a waiting list is met with blank looks and shrugged shoulders like it's some big secret that patients can't be trusted with. "
It’s pretty impossible to tell people where they are on a waiting list at the best of times, let alone at the moment. If you start telling people they are number 48 on the list then other people get operated on before them, due to clinical need, they get annoyed. It may seem like a simple thing but attempting to plan more than a couple of weeks ahead when it comes to surgery, unless it is cancer you are talking about, is a fool’s errand. |
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs
You have said that NHS staff should not be discussing pay during a pandemjc, but only after it's finished.
Nobody can define when it will be "finished". I have provided three options which you have declined to choose from or to select your own option.
NHS staff were told by Government that they would get 1%. You have said that they should get more but also should not discuss theatter until some unspecified point in the future (see above). That implicitly means acceptance of a derisory pay rise. 3% was only offered (out of existing NHS funding) because there was a popular backlash.
What should they do in reality, rather than your scenario that does not actually exist?i am so sorry I didn’t pick one of your options I didn’t know I had to mate I’m sick of telling you now they deserve more but I’d rather they discuss it when covid is under control is that ok with you ???
I have not doubted that you agree that they deserve more.
Not at all. No need to be sick about that.
You can be sick about not being able to say when the correct time for NHS staff to discuss pay other than "after Covid", but no idea about what that means in reality or how they should react to a Government that is negotiating with them anyway.
Easy answers are great, except when they aren't possible to deliver on."
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"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs
You have said that NHS staff should not be discussing pay during a pandemjc, but only after it's finished.
Nobody can define when it will be "finished". I have provided three options which you have declined to choose from or to select your own option.
NHS staff were told by Government that they would get 1%. You have said that they should get more but also should not discuss theatter until some unspecified point in the future (see above). That implicitly means acceptance of a derisory pay rise. 3% was only offered (out of existing NHS funding) because there was a popular backlash.
What should they do in reality, rather than your scenario that does not actually exist?i am so sorry I didn’t pick one of your options I didn’t know I had to mate I’m sick of telling you now they deserve more but I’d rather they discuss it when covid is under control is that ok with you ???
I have not doubted that you agree that they deserve more.
Not at all. No need to be sick about that.
You can be sick about not being able to say when the correct time for NHS staff to discuss pay other than "after Covid", but no idea about what that means in reality or how they should react to a Government that is negotiating with them anyway.
Easy answers are great, except when they aren't possible to deliver on.well how about when they have covid under control I agree with you that they deserve more but just don’t think now is best time for it if that’s an easy answer so be it "
If they don't ask now, they will never get it.
During the height of the first wave, ministers took every opportunity to say how wonderful the NHS was, and how the amazing nurses etc should be properly rewarded when everything got better. Then as soon as the wave was over, the message changed to there is no money, NHS workers will be "rewarded" by kind words (and wasn't there some kind of "here's a pretty badge instead of money" at one point? Or maybe that was a different occasion when government shat on the NHS workers) but on twelfth of never in a year or three we might think about it again.
Yes we all know that there actually is no money for pay rises. Except for the infinite pot of money that can be funneled through shell companies run by ministers relatives and friends. Except for the infinite pot of money that can be thrown away on any vanity project of Johnson's. Except for the money that is always instantly available to spend on tory constituencies if there is the slightest chance of a tory losing their seat.
Except for the money that is always available for MP's pay rises and expenses.
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3% will equate to a pay cut in real terms if the expected rise in inflation manifests itself. They should be looking for an inflation + deal. However that is likely to lead to a round of pay increase demands (from all except the poor police who are every bit as deserving but don't have the legal entitlement to strike) and further rising inflation |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"This may be an unpopular opinion but, is now really the time for ANYBODY public sector to be receiving a pay rise? my thoughts exactly people dying and first thought for some is pay rise wtf
We've had freedom day though.
Everything will be fine
"First thought" after how many years of pay and having to work non-stop at the limit through a medical crisis and then being asked to catch up on the backlog?
A chunk of the pay rise that the government is "giving" will, apparently, come out of the existing NHS budget too.
They never had it so good yes I know they’ve had it hard but lots of other workers have aswell they all deserve more but personally I don’t think it’s the time to be pushing for it now get covid sorted first
Except this is after the government told them they would be getting only 1%
You're saying that they should have said thank you very much even though it was insulting after ministers took every opportunity to be filmed clapping for them? where did I say that ???
You don't think that they should be pushing for fair pay. They should just quietly carry on working themselves to exhaustion, right? . Didn’t you read where I said they deserve more then ? I just think mows not the time amd like iv said many times before they weren’t the only ones who worked hard through the pandemic
That's fine.
You are still saying that they should continue working u der intense pressure during Covid and then catching up after and not complain.
Theg should have accepted the 1% offered, without complaint, because them working is more important.
Theg should only do something about this at some unspecified point in the future, right?
After Covid is "over", even though it's never going away?
After they have caught up on the urgent backlog?
After they have caught up on the non-urgent backlog?no I’m not I think you need to go to specsavers mate I know covid won’t go away I just think it could be done after it’s under control and people arnt dying
Rather than being rude, how about considering what I have just asked. When will the this be "under control"?
Is Covid finished after nobody is being admitted to hospital? Is it finished after they have caught up with the backlog of delayed treatments? The serious ones or all of the others too?
It's the NHS. People are always dying.
So they should or should not have agreed to the 1% offer that was made by the Government during the on-going pandemic?I don’t think anyone on fab can tell you when covid will be over look read my posts I’m all for them getting a rise but I just think in the middle of a pandemic is not the best time for it what part of that don’t you understand iv said it several times now fgs
You have said that NHS staff should not be discussing pay during a pandemjc, but only after it's finished.
Nobody can define when it will be "finished". I have provided three options which you have declined to choose from or to select your own option.
NHS staff were told by Government that they would get 1%. You have said that they should get more but also should not discuss theatter until some unspecified point in the future (see above). That implicitly means acceptance of a derisory pay rise. 3% was only offered (out of existing NHS funding) because there was a popular backlash.
What should they do in reality, rather than your scenario that does not actually exist?i am so sorry I didn’t pick one of your options I didn’t know I had to mate I’m sick of telling you now they deserve more but I’d rather they discuss it when covid is under control is that ok with you ???
I have not doubted that you agree that they deserve more.
Not at all. No need to be sick about that.
You can be sick about not being able to say when the correct time for NHS staff to discuss pay other than "after Covid", but no idea about what that means in reality or how they should react to a Government that is negotiating with them anyway.
Easy answers are great, except when they aren't possible to deliver on.well how about when they have covid under control I agree with you that they deserve more but just don’t think now is best time for it if that’s an easy answer so be it "
When does Covid end?
When there are no admissions?
When they have recovered from the backlog of emergency cases?
When they have recovered from the backlog of non-emergency cases?
How do they do that if any payrise is out of thr NHS budget so there is less money to spend on care?
3 months? 1 year? 2 years?
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When does Covid end?
When there are no admissions?
When they have recovered from the backlog of emergency cases?
When they have recovered from the backlog of non-emergency cases?
How do they do that if any payrise is out of thr NHS budget so there is less money to spend on care?
3 months? 1 year? 2 years?
Do you think after all this time working flat out they should even have to fight for a half decent pay rise?"
Some people on here spend a lot of time equating working in a hospital full of very seriously ill and dying patients to working at Tesco. Yes shop workers have experienced a certain amount of risk during the pandemic but they have not worked in areas full of Covid + patients who can seem reasonably ok at the start of a shift and within a couple of hours be dead or on a ventilator. Sitting on a till at Tesco is not the same as sitting with a dying man, terrified because he is going to die without his family around him. The mental trauma experienced by our nurses, doctors and health care assistants can not, and should not, be underestimated.
Anyone who thinks that NHS staff do not deserve a healthy pay rise immediately needs to take a long hard look in the mirror because frankly I’d question their humanity. |
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When does Covid end?
When there are no admissions?
When they have recovered from the backlog of emergency cases?
When they have recovered from the backlog of non-emergency cases?
How do they do that if any payrise is out of thr NHS budget so there is less money to spend on care?
3 months? 1 year? 2 years?
Do you think after all this time working flat out they should even have to fight for a half decent pay rise?
Some people on here spend a lot of time equating working in a hospital full of very seriously ill and dying patients to working at Tesco. Yes shop workers have experienced a certain amount of risk during the pandemic but they have not worked in areas full of Covid + patients who can seem reasonably ok at the start of a shift and within a couple of hours be dead or on a ventilator. Sitting on a till at Tesco is not the same as sitting with a dying man, terrified because he is going to die without his family around him. The mental trauma experienced by our nurses, doctors and health care assistants can not, and should not, be underestimated.
Anyone who thinks that NHS staff do not deserve a healthy pay rise immediately needs to take a long hard look in the mirror because frankly I’d question their humanity."
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