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By *eavyWood OP Man
over a year ago
kent/london |
Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ? |
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"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?"
It's a good question and probally not easy to answer.
Why would people vote in a gmnt that are going to make them worse off?
I think the media play a huge part.
It's no coincidence that when Murdock switched his support to labour,they won 3 elections. |
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It mostly goes back to not having proportional representation, unfortunately. I believe for new members to join the EU it is mandatory to have PR as the system.
Regardless of your political side, it’s a far better system. Both Farage and the Greens are hugely under represented, as are the Lib Dem’s.
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By *eavyWood OP Man
over a year ago
kent/london |
Conservative country National loving monarchy.. belief in heir-achy.. faded belief we are great.
Still we know the record of one party we know the income and wealth distribution is as bad or worse when we had landowners and peasants in 1920’s
It’s sobering |
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I think home ownership is also a big factor more people own property and want to cling onto the value contained within. I’m not sure quite how that ties in specifically but I have seen it being talked about as a factor on more than one platform. |
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"Conservative country National loving monarchy.. belief in heir-achy.. faded belief we are great.
Still we know the record of one party we know the income and wealth distribution is as bad or worse when we had landowners and peasants in 1920’s
It’s sobering "
A big chunk of the population are quite happy having a lying corrupt incompetent charlatan running the country.
Quite how you address that is anyones guess. |
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"Conservative country National loving monarchy.. belief in heir-achy.. faded belief we are great.
Still we know the record of one party we know the income and wealth distribution is as bad or worse when we had landowners and peasants in 1920’s
It’s sobering
A big chunk of the population are quite happy having a lying corrupt incompetent charlatan running the country.
Quite how you address that is anyones guess."
i think moaning about it day in day out in a swingers site helps lol |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?"
Well your fact is not a fact is it. Labour had five years of government in the 1970's and 13 from 1997 to 2010 so that's 18 years plus the coalition period of five years, so out of the last 51 years the tories have been in sole control for 28.
Are people better off now than in 1970 ? |
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"Conservative country National loving monarchy.. belief in heir-achy.. faded belief we are great.
Still we know the record of one party we know the income and wealth distribution is as bad or worse when we had landowners and peasants in 1920’s
It’s sobering
A big chunk of the population are quite happy having a lying corrupt incompetent charlatan running the country.
Quite how you address that is anyones guess.i think moaning about it day in day out in a swingers site helps lol"
Another incredible insight
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Conservative country National loving monarchy.. belief in heir-achy.. faded belief we are great.
Still we know the record of one party we know the income and wealth distribution is as bad or worse when we had landowners and peasants in 1920’s
It’s sobering
A big chunk of the population are quite happy having a lying corrupt incompetent charlatan running the country.
Quite how you address that is anyones guess."
I have told you how to address it have a credible opposition party. |
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"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?"
I'm sure I seen the exact same post on another thread. Can you clarify the situation in America please. I'm not a follower of the system they use and was unaware no party can rule for longer than 8 years. I am aware the president is not allowed more than 2 terms |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?
Well your fact is not a fact is it. Labour had five years of government in the 1970's and 13 from 1997 to 2010 so that's 18 years plus the coalition period of five years, so out of the last 51 years the tories have been in sole control for 28.
Are people better off now than in 1970 ? "
That's exactly what I was thinking and if anyone can remember the years from 1974 - 79 the UK was definitely not in a good place.
Were the years any different between 1997-2010 than the other years in terms of equality? I don't think so, people still didn't have jobs, house prices went up massively etc. Then at the end of that we had a huge recession which meant a lot of people were worse of but the rich were still richer. |
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I think alot of it has to do with the lack of political awareness of the general population, even in third world countries people seem to be far more switched on politically.
Also and I'm talking in recent times the line's between one party and the others has become so vague it's hard trying to define the boundaries.
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Choice it's great that we live in a society where we have choices but perhaps to many choices bewilder people to the point of ticking the familiarity box.
Lastly I think people have just gotten lazy and are too influenced by Frank from Facebook who's continued political agenda posted on every social media site available is influencing people's opinions more than political parties.
Finally where we live in our current house and have for 20 year's not once in all that time has any candidate's knocked our door to talk about any up-and-coming elections.
So maybe the parties themselves have become lazy as well.
Non of these answers the op questions but maybe some reasons.
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"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?
Well your fact is not a fact is it. Labour had five years of government in the 1970's and 13 from 1997 to 2010 so that's 18 years plus the coalition period of five years, so out of the last 51 years the tories have been in sole control for 28.
Are people better off now than in 1970 ?
That's exactly what I was thinking and if anyone can remember the years from 1974 - 79 the UK was definitely not in a good place.
Were the years any different between 1997-2010 than the other years in terms of equality? I don't think so, people still didn't have jobs, house prices went up massively etc. Then at the end of that we had a huge recession which meant a lot of people were worse of but the rich were still richer. "
Inequality did increase still, but at a far lower rate than both before 1997 and after 2010. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?
Well your fact is not a fact is it. Labour had five years of government in the 1970's and 13 from 1997 to 2010 so that's 18 years plus the coalition period of five years, so out of the last 51 years the tories have been in sole control for 28.
Are people better off now than in 1970 ?
That's exactly what I was thinking and if anyone can remember the years from 1974 - 79 the UK was definitely not in a good place.
Were the years any different between 1997-2010 than the other years in terms of equality? I don't think so, people still didn't have jobs, house prices went up massively etc. Then at the end of that we had a huge recession which meant a lot of people were worse of but the rich were still richer.
Inequality did increase still, but at a far lower rate than both before 1997 and after 2010. "
Can you give us a link to the proof of that |
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"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?
Well your fact is not a fact is it. Labour had five years of government in the 1970's and 13 from 1997 to 2010 so that's 18 years plus the coalition period of five years, so out of the last 51 years the tories have been in sole control for 28.
Are people better off now than in 1970 ?
That's exactly what I was thinking and if anyone can remember the years from 1974 - 79 the UK was definitely not in a good place.
Were the years any different between 1997-2010 than the other years in terms of equality? I don't think so, people still didn't have jobs, house prices went up massively etc. Then at the end of that we had a huge recession which meant a lot of people were worse of but the rich were still richer. "
How many inner city riots did we have between 97 and 2010?
It wasmt a recession.. it was a banking crises
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?"
Thoughts: interesting statistics |
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"Conservative country National loving monarchy.. belief in heir-achy.. faded belief we are great.
Still we know the record of one party we know the income and wealth distribution is as bad or worse when we had landowners and peasants in 1920’s
It’s sobering
A big chunk of the population are quite happy having a lying corrupt incompetent charlatan running the country.
Quite how you address that is anyone's guess. I have told you how to address it have a credible opposition party."
Have to agree, that would definitely help. Labour are lamentable. They can't get elected in England unless they're Tory-lite; and the Tories are currently moving further left than they have in decades. They've been forced into it by the pandemic - but they have been very socialist for almost 18 months.
However, what is really required is not a better opposition to the government, but a PR system for voting in a General Election.
That would prevent any inept shower of corrupt piss-takers, from achieving a majority of seats, on fewer than half the votes cast.
Sadly, on the 5th May 2011, 68% of UK voters decided against PR for a UK GE. Only 42% of them could be arsed to vote in that referendum. So, we know the majority didn't give a fuck about making a change for the better.
So, FPTP remained in place and it's the reason that the English, at least, get the government they deserve - rather than vote for - and most of them and the rest of us will just have to put up with it.
FPTP denies the majority of UK voters - by ignoring the millions opposition votes that fail to result in an elected MP - the power to choose who governs them every time there's an election.
It won't change if people are too apathetic to give a shit who's running the country; no matter how bad they are at it.
In a PR election, everybody's vote counts - 50% of the votes means 50% of the seats. FPTP is rigged to keep the Tories - and Labour LOL - in power, without the assent of the majority of voters.
If people are ok with that; they're fine with not living in a genuine democracy. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"Conservative country National loving monarchy.. belief in heir-achy.. faded belief we are great.
Still we know the record of one party we know the income and wealth distribution is as bad or worse when we had landowners and peasants in 1920’s
It’s sobering
A big chunk of the population are quite happy having a lying corrupt incompetent charlatan running the country.
Quite how you address that is anyones guess.i think moaning about it day in day out in a swingers site helps lol"
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"Maybe it just a lack of a credible opposition party. 
It’s a simple yet correct answer. "
Course it is
Vote for a lying corrupt charlaton because you dont like the multitude of alternatives.
Its obvious. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Maybe it just a lack of a credible opposition party.
It’s a simple yet correct answer.
Course it is
Vote for a lying corrupt charlaton because you dont like the multitude of alternatives.
Its obvious. "
I would guess most dont think the same as you but even if they did what does that say about the opposition that they still wont vote for them? |
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" That would prevent any inept shower of corrupt piss-takers, from achieving a majority of seats, on fewer than half the votes cast.
and to think they only missed by 1 seat …
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I see what you did there. LOL Nice of you to reinforce my point. At least our corrupt piss takers didn't get a majority on less than half of the votes; unlike yours did. We have an actual democracy in Holyrood.
If we had purely FPTP, there would be hardly any Tory MSPs at all - which isn't right. Fucking awful as they are, Scots Tories deserve the representation in our Parliament their votes amount to - last time out, less than 24%.
The system needs changed UK wide. If it's not, eventually, the Union will break apart due to a deficit of democracy. |
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"Maybe it just a lack of a credible opposition party.
It’s a simple yet correct answer.
Course it is
Vote for a lying corrupt charlaton because you dont like the multitude of alternatives.
Its obvious. I would guess most dont think the same as you but even if they did what does that say about the opposition that they still wont vote for them?"
Over 50% of Scots vote for opposition parties. Maybe the English are just slow learners?
Only kidding. LOL As you correctly point out Labour aren't worth voting for down south.
The bottom line is that they can only win if they become Tory-lite, ie. no real opposition at all; and if they do that, then why not just vote full-fat Tory?
In any case, the UK is definitely not united any more; and - trust me - Boris isn't the man to bring us all back together. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe it just a lack of a credible opposition party.
It’s a simple yet correct answer.
Course it is
Vote for a lying corrupt charlaton because you dont like the multitude of alternatives.
Its obvious. I would guess most dont think the same as you but even if they did what does that say about the opposition that they still wont vote for them?
Over 50% of Scots vote for opposition parties. Maybe the English are just slow learners?
Only kidding. LOL As you correctly point out Labour aren't worth voting for down south.
The bottom line is that they can only win if they become Tory-lite, ie. no real opposition at all; and if they do that, then why not just vote full-fat Tory?
In any case, the UK is definitely not united any more; and - trust me - Boris isn't the man to bring us all back together."
You say they can only win if they become "tory lite" that says to me the majority want a tory party in charge in some form or other. |
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" That would prevent any inept shower of corrupt piss-takers, from achieving a majority of seats, on fewer than half the votes cast.
and to think they only missed by 1 seat …
I see what you did there. LOL Nice of you to reinforce my point. At least our corrupt piss takers didn't get a majority on less than half of the votes; unlike yours did. We have an actual democracy in Holyrood.
If we had purely FPTP, there would be hardly any Tory MSPs at all - which isn't right. Fucking awful as they are, Scots Tories deserve the representation in our Parliament their votes amount to - last time out, less than 24%.
The system needs changed UK wide. If it's not, eventually, the Union will break apart due to a deficit of democracy."
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Conservative country National loving monarchy.. belief in heir-achy.. faded belief we are great.
Still we know the record of one party we know the income and wealth distribution is as bad or worse when we had landowners and peasants in 1920’s
It’s sobering
A big chunk of the population are quite happy having a lying corrupt incompetent charlatan running the country.
Quite how you address that is anyone's guess. I have told you how to address it have a credible opposition party.
Have to agree, that would definitely help. Labour are lamentable. They can't get elected in England unless they're Tory-lite; and the Tories are currently moving further left than they have in decades. They've been forced into it by the pandemic - but they have been very socialist for almost 18 months.
However, what is really required is not a better opposition to the government, but a PR system for voting in a General Election.
That would prevent any inept shower of corrupt piss-takers, from achieving a majority of seats, on fewer than half the votes cast.
Sadly, on the 5th May 2011, 68% of UK voters decided against PR for a UK GE. Only 42% of them could be arsed to vote in that referendum. So, we know the majority didn't give a fuck about making a change for the better.
So, FPTP remained in place and it's the reason that the English, at least, get the government they deserve - rather than vote for - and most of them and the rest of us will just have to put up with it.
FPTP denies the majority of UK voters - by ignoring the millions opposition votes that fail to result in an elected MP - the power to choose who governs them every time there's an election.
It won't change if people are too apathetic to give a shit who's running the country; no matter how bad they are at it.
In a PR election, everybody's vote counts - 50% of the votes means 50% of the seats. FPTP is rigged to keep the Tories - and Labour LOL - in power, without the assent of the majority of voters.
If people are ok with that; they're fine with not living in a genuine democracy."
I think the vote in 2011 was for AV not PR. Sadly that question never got as far as a vote as far as I recall. I like PR but its not guaranteed to solve all problems. It is possible to end up with a coalition of charlatans. UKIP / brexit party done particularly well with it as will the greens I think |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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Pr is no more democratic than fptp, toucan end up with one small party having the balance of power and deciding who runs the country and what they will support. No system is perfect.
It's funny how always it's the losers that complain or call the winners thick and stupid.
The answer is for politicians to improve there argument so people vote for them |
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"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 4/8 yrs so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
Thoughts ?"
The easy answer to tories getting voted in at the last election, was to get brexit done.
There wasn't a lot of mention about policies, and helping the country afterwards. |
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Some older voters have long memories. The last two times labour have been in power the country was virtually bankrupt and one occasion had to go cap in hand to the imf. Also every time labour has ever been in power, unemployment has been higher when they've left office compared to when they came in. A record of total failure and economic incompetence. Thats why the tories get in, not because they are any good but because Labour are utterly useless. |
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"Some older voters have long memories. The last two times labour have been in power the country was virtually bankrupt and one occasion had to go cap in hand to the imf. Also every time labour has ever been in power, unemployment has been higher when they've left office compared to when they came in. A record of total failure and economic incompetence. Thats why the tories get in, not because they are any good but because Labour are utterly useless. "
When it comes to Labours it’s always someone else’s fault.
Vote Green. |
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"Some older voters have long memories. The last two times labour have been in power the country was virtually bankrupt and one occasion had to go cap in hand to the imf. Also every time labour has ever been in power, unemployment has been higher when they've left office compared to when they came in. A record of total failure and economic incompetence. Thats why the tories get in, not because they are any good but because Labour are utterly useless. "
The internet.
Debunks "facts 'in the space of seconds
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22070491.amp
Presumably the 2nd time we were bankrupt was when they had to bail out all those banking thatcherites in the city?
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Some older voters have long memories. The last two times labour have been in power the country was virtually bankrupt and one occasion had to go cap in hand to the imf. Also every time labour has ever been in power, unemployment has been higher when they've left office compared to when they came in. A record of total failure and economic incompetence. Thats why the tories get in, not because they are any good but because Labour are utterly useless. "
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"Some older voters have long memories. The last two times labour have been in power the country was virtually bankrupt and one occasion had to go cap in hand to the imf. Also every time labour has ever been in power, unemployment has been higher when they've left office compared to when they came in. A record of total failure and economic incompetence. Thats why the tories get in, not because they are any good but because Labour are utterly useless. "
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"The highest recorded level of unemployment was 14% in 1983.
Labours fault obvs. They changed how they counted unemployment so many times the figures are now not to be believed, "
The tories did that. |
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"The highest recorded level of unemployment was 14% in 1983.
Labours fault obvs. They changed how they counted unemployment so many times the figures are now not to be believed,
The tories did that."
Yes they did mostly under Thatcher , some say if you went back to how they counted unemployment in the 70s there be 8 million now |
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Don't know where you're getting your figures from, but Labour were in government from 1997 to 2010 and also for 5 years between 1974 and 1979, which makes a total of 19 years in Office during the past 50 years, so actually the conservatives have been in Goverment for 31 out of the last 50 years |
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