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Oh jeremy..you and your madcap ideas |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Some political leaders in many countries think it is a great idea, while other political leaders don't - though it's been around for a very long time in one form or another - So it's not new as an economic idea/system. It's also not about emancipation of the people. It's about recognising that manufacturing and mass employment aren't the future.
I don't think he lost the election on this, though, did he?
It was all his other mad-cap ideas that did that for him.
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"Some political leaders in many countries think it is a great idea, while other political leaders don't - though it's been around for a very long time in one form or another - So it's not new as an economic idea/system. It's also not about emancipation of the people. It's about recognising that manufacturing and mass employment aren't the future.
I don't think he lost the election on this, though, did he?
It was all his other mad-cap ideas that did that for him.
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Like nationalisation of the railways? with 60 odd percent support. Or nationalisation of utilities? Over 50% support?
Much of his package of ideas were very popular, even outside Labour voters.
So maybe it was something else did for him... |
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The head line four day week would sound like a good idea.
In reality it would mean a change in working patterns ie more weekend working for example.
If not how would you cover the hours where people are not there? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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One thing that the Pandemic has taught Governments the world over is that you can have a programme of financial support for large swathes of people where employment is an issue - robots are taking many many jobs - at some point all governments will have to account for this in the employed population.
How to sustain the cost over the long term (taxation et-al) will be the next step in finding a workable solution. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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Oh jeremy..you and your madcap ideas"
I caught a bit of the story this morning. What I read said although its a 4 day week they would be paid the same as now. So are they doing longer hours per day or doing less hours per week meaning greater hourly rate. |
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"We had this carry-on under the socialists in the 70's. They ruined the country. Lets not do it again"
When you say they ruined the country..
Do you mean all those inner city riots we had? .
Or when we destroyed the manufacturing base we had?...or was it when we sold off everything we owned? |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57724779
Oh jeremy..you and your madcap ideas
I caught a bit of the story this morning. What I read said although its a 4 day week they would be paid the same as now. So are they doing longer hours per day or doing less hours per week meaning greater hourly rate. "
They are apparently doing less hours for the same pay but the productivity has remained the same. |
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So if a company said to it's workers listen everyone we are changing to a 4 day week.
From next week all production will be carried out on Friday, Saturday,Sunday and Monday.
Would you prefer that? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Is spain an adequate population?"
Its not been implemented nationally in Spain. Small pilots are running, and its being subsidised with EU money.
Like every system, it will have advantages and disadvantages. |
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"Is spain an adequate population?
Its not been implemented nationally in Spain. Small pilots are running, and its being subsidised with EU money.
Like every system, it will have advantages and disadvantages. "
Course it will..The point I was making was that an idea that was laughed at..has been a roaring success in 1 other country and will be trialled in others.
If the past 18 months has taught us anything it's that the nature of work is not set in stone. |
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"We had this carry-on under the socialists in the 70's. They ruined the country. Lets not do it again
When you say they ruined the country..
Do you mean all those inner city riots we had? .
Or when we destroyed the manufacturing base we had?...or was it when we sold off everything we owned?"
Sold off loss making assets. Mines were losing money by the millions. They had to be closed.
The socialists organising general strikes because they didnt get 20% pay rises for working less hours.
The 20ish% inflation. I could go on and on. You can say you hate thatcher but economically and socially she transformed this country from the cesspool that it was under foot and co.
Incase you are wondering, it was a perfect example of socialism working. A complete disaster.
Just ask venezuala  |
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"Imagine someone saying ..would you like to work less for the same money and actually arguing against it?
The mind truly boggles at times
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It's not all about you though is it. We currently run over-budget every year and have about 2.8 trillion gbp in bond debt, primarily because of just how massive our welfare state is.
Oh, and it would only be enforceable in the public sector. I.E the nhs, police, prisons, hmrc et al. Government can't enforce these 4 day weeks on private individuals. Not sure about you but we need those jobs listed above more, not less.
Not to mention you could not pay them the same as you would have to hire more staff to cover all the 3 day weekends.
I'm not sure having the police and nurses work less, whilst increasing spending on all public services to have the exact same returns sounds like a sound idea at all.
I imagine it might only sound like a good idea in a fiction novel, lets say...Das Kapital |
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"We had this carry-on under the socialists in the 70's. They ruined the country. Lets not do it again
When you say they ruined the country..
Do you mean all those inner city riots we had? .
Or when we destroyed the manufacturing base we had?...or was it when we sold off everything we owned?
Sold off loss making assets. Mines were losing money by the millions. They had to be closed.
The socialists organising general strikes because they didnt get 20% pay rises for working less hours.
The 20ish% inflation. I could go on and on. You can say you hate thatcher but economically and socially she transformed this country from the cesspool that it was under foot and co.
Incase you are wondering, it was a perfect example of socialism working. A complete disaster.
Just ask venezuala "
I love it when your argument is just completely ignored
I'll try again
How many riots did we have in in the 70s again?
When in the 70s did unemployment reach epic levels?
What industries did we flog off the 70s again?
How many financial crashes did we have in the 70s again?
You realise foot was not leader.
I agree with Thatcher tjough.
She did transform the country.
She divided it,put generations if families on the scrap heap and then flogged everything off and we are still feeling the effects today.
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"Imagine someone saying ..would you like to work less for the same money and actually arguing against it?
The mind truly boggles at times
It's not all about you though is it. We currently run over-budget every year and have about 2.8 trillion gbp in bond debt, primarily because of just how massive our welfare state is.
Oh, and it would only be enforceable in the public sector. I.E the nhs, police, prisons, hmrc et al. Government can't enforce these 4 day weeks on private individuals. Not sure about you but we need those jobs listed above more, not less.
Not to mention you could not pay them the same as you would have to hire more staff to cover all the 3 day weekends.
I'm not sure having the police and nurses work less, whilst increasing spending on all public services to have the exact same returns sounds like a sound idea at all.
I imagine it might only sound like a good idea in a fiction novel, lets say...Das Kapital "
So just ignoring the rather salient fact that it has been a tremendous success in 1 country? |
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In all seriousness obvs there would be exceptions but what I find interesting is there is an automatic reaction to knock it ,simply because it's a left wing idea.
The article states there are countless benefits to the worker in terms of work life balance and I'm guessing the countless days off caused by stress would be dramatically reduced.
You would also have a much happier,just as productive workforce.
Half the country has worked from home for the last year,something that would have seemed impossible a year ago.
Still the immediate reaction from tories is to dismiss anything resembling better working conditions is too dismiss it as socialist nonesense.
Shocked I am
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"In all seriousness obvs there would be exceptions but what I find interesting is there is an automatic reaction to knock it ,simply because it's a left wing idea.
The article states there are countless benefits to the worker in terms of work life balance and I'm guessing the countless days off caused by stress would be dramatically reduced.
You would also have a much happier,just as productive workforce.
Half the country has worked from home for the last year,something that would have seemed impossible a year ago.
Still the immediate reaction from tories is to dismiss anything resembling better working conditions is too dismiss it as socialist nonesense.
Shocked I am
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Funny that everyone I have spoken to who are working from home have said they are actually working longer hours at home compared to the hours they work in the office. |
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"In all seriousness obvs there would be exceptions but what I find interesting is there is an automatic reaction to knock it ,simply because it's a left wing idea.
The article states there are countless benefits to the worker in terms of work life balance and I'm guessing the countless days off caused by stress would be dramatically reduced.
You would also have a much happier,just as productive workforce.
Half the country has worked from home for the last year,something that would have seemed impossible a year ago.
Still the immediate reaction from tories is to dismiss anything resembling better working conditions is too dismiss it as socialist nonesense.
Shocked I am
Funny that everyone I have spoken to who are working from home have said they are actually working longer hours at home compared to the hours they work in the office."
Why would you work more hours you are contracted for?
That is certainly not what I've heard.. in fact the opposite. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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There is a difference between a 4 day week and working less hours.
This is where the distinction needs to be drawn. We can't all work Monday to Thursday. If you only work 32 hours instead of 40, then you will get a paycut.
If the Socialist idea is to top those wages up, then the case needs to be put for that. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57724779
Oh jeremy..you and your madcap ideas
I caught a bit of the story this morning. What I read said although its a 4 day week they would be paid the same as now. So are they doing longer hours per day or doing less hours per week meaning greater hourly rate.
They are apparently doing less hours for the same pay but the productivity has remained the same."
So that means a higher hourly rate in effect. I would have thought productivity would need to increase just to stand still. It is interesting idea, bit like the basic income plan so will be good to see the outcome when rolled out on a big scale. As you say things have changed since the pandemic including how we work |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57724779
Oh jeremy..you and your madcap ideas
I caught a bit of the story this morning. What I read said although its a 4 day week they would be paid the same as now. So are they doing longer hours per day or doing less hours per week meaning greater hourly rate.
They are apparently doing less hours for the same pay but the productivity has remained the same.
So that means a higher hourly rate in effect. I would have thought productivity would need to increase just to stand still. It is interesting idea, bit like the basic income plan so will be good to see the outcome when rolled out on a big scale. As you say things have changed since the pandemic including how we work "
I think clearly In some sectors it easily work(office based work etc)but public service roles would obvs be much more problematic
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"We had this carry-on under the socialists in the 70's. They ruined the country. Lets not do it again
When you say they ruined the country..
Do you mean all those inner city riots we had? .
Or when we destroyed the manufacturing base we had?...or was it when we sold off everything we owned?
Sold off loss making assets. Mines were losing money by the millions. They had to be closed.
The socialists organising general strikes because they didnt get 20% pay rises for working less hours.
The 20ish% inflation. I could go on and on. You can say you hate thatcher but economically and socially she transformed this country from the cesspool that it was under foot and co.
Incase you are wondering, it was a perfect example of socialism working. A complete disaster.
Just ask venezuala "
So just where are we buying our coal and gas from now? Abroad, at any price they see fit to charge. You know what happened to the pits when they closed them? Did they mothball them just in case? No. They let them flood and made them utterly fucking useless for the future. Thats typical short term thinking a la Thatcher. |
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"We had this carry-on under the socialists in the 70's. They ruined the country. Lets not do it again
When you say they ruined the country..
Do you mean all those inner city riots we had? .
Or when we destroyed the manufacturing base we had?...or was it when we sold off everything we owned?
Sold off loss making assets. Mines were losing money by the millions. They had to be closed.
The socialists organising general strikes because they didnt get 20% pay rises for working less hours.
The 20ish% inflation. I could go on and on. You can say you hate thatcher but economically and socially she transformed this country from the cesspool that it was under foot and co.
Incase you are wondering, it was a perfect example of socialism working. A complete disaster.
Just ask venezuala
So just where are we buying our coal and gas from now? Abroad, at any price they see fit to charge. You know what happened to the pits when they closed them? Did they mothball them just in case? No. They let them flood and made them utterly fucking useless for the future. Thats typical short term thinking a la Thatcher."
Do we still buy coal from abroad? |
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I think our Thatcherite friend also needs to look at other countries inflation rates at the same time as the UKs. Oil had a much bigger effect on our economy than a few workers striking for more money. And it wasnt just money they were striking for. It was safety and conditions. The conditions that we all enjoy today. |
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Like any idea like this there are pros and cons.
Of course there is going push back by either side of the argument.
But nothing ventured nothing gained right? |
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"We do still use it, and it does come from abroad. Now they want to start digging our own again in Cumbria for example, and under the sea bed off our coasts."
But it was pointed out it was losing money?
I thought Tories were all for making stuff here and not buying it abroad?
I dont get it? |
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"I think our Thatcherite friend also needs to look at other countries inflation rates at the same time as the UKs. Oil had a much bigger effect on our economy than a few workers striking for more money. And it wasnt just money they were striking for. It was safety and conditions. The conditions that we all enjoy today."
I think we all know Tories are a not a big fan of workers having actual rights. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"I think our Thatcherite friend also needs to look at other countries inflation rates at the same time as the UKs. Oil had a much bigger effect on our economy than a few workers striking for more money. And it wasnt just money they were striking for. It was safety and conditions. The conditions that we all enjoy today.
I think we all know Tories are a not a big fan of workers having actual rights."
Oh dear more blind hatred
Have a look at history and give us a list of rights introduced by the different parties.
Have you heard the expression,
It's better for people people to think I'm stupid than to post on the internet and prove it.
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"I think our Thatcherite friend also needs to look at other countries inflation rates at the same time as the UKs. Oil had a much bigger effect on our economy than a few workers striking for more money. And it wasnt just money they were striking for. It was safety and conditions. The conditions that we all enjoy today.
I think we all know Tories are a not a big fan of workers having actual rights.
Oh dear more blind hatred
Have a look at history and give us a list of rights introduced by the different parties.
Have you heard the expression,
It's better for people people to think I'm stupid than to post on the internet and prove it.
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"I think our Thatcherite friend also needs to look at other countries inflation rates at the same time as the UKs. Oil had a much bigger effect on our economy than a few workers striking for more money. And it wasnt just money they were striking for. It was safety and conditions. The conditions that we all enjoy today.
I think we all know Tories are a not a big fan of workers having actual rights.
Oh dear more blind hatred
Have a look at history and give us a list of rights introduced by the different parties.
Have you heard the expression,
It's better for people people to think I'm stupid than to post on the internet and prove it.
The irony "
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"The tories..the party of the working man
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There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
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As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
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"Is spain an adequate population?
Its not been implemented nationally in Spain. Small pilots are running, and its being subsidised with EU money.
Like every system, it will have advantages and disadvantages. "
There's no such thing as 'EU money' in the same way as there is no such thing as 'Government money'
Let's be clear here, this is TAXPAYERS money.
And this will be the money from taxpayers all over the EU - or perhaps, more accurately, mostly Germany
Those member states that contribute the most are the ones whose taxpayers are propping this up |
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
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I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more. |
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more."
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock."
What aspect of uk employment law has changed since January 1st 2021? |
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock.
What aspect of uk employment law has changed since January 1st 2021?"
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock."
Oh I agree the aim of helping people at the bottom being the overall idea was a good one, but I personally believe the repercussions of it would of also been harmful to the same demographic but that's just my opinion. And I am not arguing for the tories at all mate lol, haven't said that anywhere in my posts, but I won't be voting for starmer so it will be no vote or maybe greens instead. I will say though that nothing has changed so far regarding workers rights after brexit as I posted the other week to you after checking Acas, maybe in time it will but so far its the same. |
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over a year ago
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock."
Hows the research on both parties legislation on workers rights going ? Also Has any right for workers in this country been removed since we left the EU?
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock.
Oh I agree the aim of helping people at the bottom being the overall idea was a good one, but I personally believe the repercussions of it would of also been harmful to the same demographic but that's just my opinion. And I am not arguing for the tories at all mate lol, haven't said that anywhere in my posts, but I won't be voting for starmer so it will be no vote or maybe greens instead. I will say though that nothing has changed so far regarding workers rights after brexit as I posted the other week to you after checking Acas, maybe in time it will but so far its the same."
Wouldnt it have provided jobs in providing that service?
Personally I thought it was a positive policy as looking towards towards the future,that's the way things are going to give and we saw during the pandemic how important I know.
Oh yeah I know mate..I was just pointing out you wouod have to be delusional to argue that the Tories have ever done anything to improve workers rights.
I think the greens are actually a lot more left wing than labour in many respects.
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock.
Oh I agree the aim of helping people at the bottom being the overall idea was a good one, but I personally believe the repercussions of it would of also been harmful to the same demographic but that's just my opinion. And I am not arguing for the tories at all mate lol, haven't said that anywhere in my posts, but I won't be voting for starmer so it will be no vote or maybe greens instead. I will say though that nothing has changed so far regarding workers rights after brexit as I posted the other week to you after checking Acas, maybe in time it will but so far its the same.
Wouldnt it have provided jobs in providing that service?
Personally I thought it was a positive policy as looking towards towards the future,that's the way things are going to give and we saw during the pandemic how important I know.
Oh yeah I know mate..I was just pointing out you wouod have to be delusional to argue that the Tories have ever done anything to improve workers rights.
I think the greens are actually a lot more left wing than labour in many respects.
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock.
Oh I agree the aim of helping people at the bottom being the overall idea was a good one, but I personally believe the repercussions of it would of also been harmful to the same demographic but that's just my opinion. And I am not arguing for the tories at all mate lol, haven't said that anywhere in my posts, but I won't be voting for starmer so it will be no vote or maybe greens instead. I will say though that nothing has changed so far regarding workers rights after brexit as I posted the other week to you after checking Acas, maybe in time it will but so far its the same.
Wouldnt it have provided jobs in providing that service?
Personally I thought it was a positive policy as looking towards towards the future,that's the way things are going to give and we saw during the pandemic how important I know.
Oh yeah I know mate..I was just pointing out you wouod have to be delusional to argue that the Tories have ever done anything to improve workers rights.
I think the greens are actually a lot more left wing than labour in many respects.
Damn that National Living Wage. How the workers must be cursing the Tories for introducing that! "
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock.
What aspect of uk employment law has changed since January 1st 2021?
Do workers have exactly the sane rights as when were in the eu?"
Don't they?? |
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock.
What aspect of uk employment law has changed since January 1st 2021?
Do workers have exactly the sane rights as when were in the eu?
Don't they??"
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"The tories..the party of the working man
There is no party for the working man any longer both the tories and Labour don't appear to have a clue about the working man and there struggles and desires any longer, they all seem to have there heads in the clouds to me anyway.
As I recall..when they had a genuine left wing leader, there were lots of policies aimed at normal working people.
Free broadband
Increasing minimum wage
Closing tax loopholes
Higher tax on the biggest earners
Obvs these cant compare with the great strides the Tories have traditionally made in the field of workers rights..there was...oh let me see....I'll will come to me in a minute...
I will agree some of those are aimed at the working man, but is that what the average working man wanted?? I did vote for them last time round (as I always have) even though I thought the broadband idea was a duff one tbh, I think it would have cause major job losses from those employers as they shed there employees to try and claw back a lot of the money they have invested before being took over by the state, but I won't be voting for them this time round unless I hear some solid polices that they will actually keep too, too much of what was promised in 2017 and 2019 did not materialise. Which is why I say BOTH main parties do not represent the working man any more.
Surely there is a difference between thinking something is a good idea or not and conceding that at least the aim of it ,is to help out those at the bottom?
I'm no fan of new labour but any labour gmnt is preferable to this corrupt inept shower.
The argument that Tories have ever done anything for normal working people is almost comical and their stance on workers right post Brexit is hardly a shock.
What aspect of uk employment law has changed since January 1st 2021?
Do workers have exactly the sane rights as when were in the eu?
Don't they??
Thats why I'm asking the question. "
You've posed the question on more than one thread and the answer is yes. Here in the UK workers rights haven't changed.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56582566.amp
If memory serves,when the bill went through parliament,the section on workers rights wasnt included.
However I'm sure there is a plausible explanation for that.
Akex is confident out rights will exceed those of the eu.
And only a cynic would question that.
I did read that grant schnapps wants to let lorry drivers work longer hours.
So loads of(even more) knackered lorry drivers on the motorways up and down the country.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56582566.amp
If memory serves,when the bill went through parliament,the section on workers rights wasnt included.
However I'm sure there is a plausible explanation for that.
Akex is confident out rights will exceed those of the eu.
And only a cynic would question that.
I did read that grant schnapps wants to let lorry drivers work longer hours.
So loads of(even more) knackered lorry drivers on the motorways up and down the country.
What could possibly go wrong?"
Nowhere in that article does I state that UK workers now have less rights than when we were part of the EU.
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Sounds nice in principle but how would this work for the large number of people who are classed as self employed and paid by the hour/day?
Would this leave them substantially worse off? |
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https://www.wired.co.uk/article/iceland-four-day-work-week#intcid=_wired-uk-verso-hp-trending_afb6c06c-d234-4372-bdde-ec5996a0081f_popular4-1?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
Wasn't actually a 4 day week trial  |
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