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over a year ago
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57663112.amp
‘A shortage of skilled trade workers has developed as European Union migrants leave the UK and demand for home improvements rises, the founder of Homeserve has said.
Chief executive Richard Harpin said the shortages were "pretty bad" across the country, not just in construction but in other trades too.
He wants the government to put more trades on its jobs shortage list’
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"https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57663112.amp
‘A shortage of skilled trade workers has developed as European Union migrants leave the UK and demand for home improvements rises, the founder of Homeserve has said.
Chief executive Richard Harpin said the shortages were "pretty bad" across the country, not just in construction but in other trades too.
He wants the government to put more trades on its jobs shortage list’
Worrying times "
why are you looking for home improvements sometime soon mate lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57663112.amp
‘A shortage of skilled trade workers has developed as European Union migrants leave the UK and demand for home improvements rises, the founder of Homeserve has said.
Chief executive Richard Harpin said the shortages were "pretty bad" across the country, not just in construction but in other trades too.
He wants the government to put more trades on its jobs shortage list’
Worrying times why are you looking for home improvements sometime soon mate lol"
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"https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57663112.amp
‘A shortage of skilled trade workers has developed as European Union migrants leave the UK and demand for home improvements rises, the founder of Homeserve has said.
Chief executive Richard Harpin said the shortages were "pretty bad" across the country, not just in construction but in other trades too.
He wants the government to put more trades on its jobs shortage list’
Worrying times why are you looking for home improvements sometime soon mate lol
Yeah, "
im sure you can find greatt builders in Manchester bud |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree."
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Homesite don't deal in home improvements 
They're an insurance company who specialises in boilers and electrics when they fault."
What is ‘homesite’ ? Richard help establish Homeserve who own Checkertrade |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this "
It goes back far longer than that |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that"
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU |
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What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Homesite don't deal in home improvements
They're an insurance company who specialises in boilers and electrics when they fault.
What is ‘homesite’ ? Richard help establish Homeserve who own Checkertrade "
Who are Checkertrade?
Homeserve do own Checkatrade, acquired a couple of years ago. They're hated within the building game though.
Oh and BTW, we definitely have a shortage of builders. Why? Because the building game isn't seen as a lucrative career anymore.
Wonder why that might be? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Homesite don't deal in home improvements
They're an insurance company who specialises in boilers and electrics when they fault.
What is ‘homesite’ ? Richard help establish Homeserve who own Checkertrade
Who are Checkertrade?
Homeserve do own Checkatrade, acquired a couple of years ago. They're hated within the building game though.
Oh and BTW, we definitely have a shortage of builders. Why? Because the building game isn't seen as a lucrative career anymore.
Wonder why that might be?"
Sorry I ment Checkatrade
Checkatrade.com is the trading name of Vetted Ltd and a subsidiary of HomeServe. The site operates as a directory of vetted and recommended tradespeople.
In 2014 the Checkatrade website won a Queen's Award for Enterprise, being commended in the Innovation category.[14] Later in 2014 Checkatrade was recognised by The Times in their "Britain’s Best Small Companies to Work For" awards
As of March 2019, Checkatrade employed over 400 people and had 36,000 vetted trade members.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU "
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade. "
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Homesite don't deal in home improvements
They're an insurance company who specialises in boilers and electrics when they fault.
What is ‘homesite’ ? Richard help establish Homeserve who own Checkertrade
Who are Checkertrade?
Homeserve do own Checkatrade, acquired a couple of years ago. They're hated within the building game though.
Oh and BTW, we definitely have a shortage of builders. Why? Because the building game isn't seen as a lucrative career anymore.
Wonder why that might be?
Sorry I ment Checkatrade
Checkatrade.com is the trading name of Vetted Ltd and a subsidiary of HomeServe. The site operates as a directory of vetted and recommended tradespeople.
In 2014 the Checkatrade website won a Queen's Award for Enterprise, being commended in the Innovation category.[14] Later in 2014 Checkatrade was recognised by The Times in their "Britain’s Best Small Companies to Work For" awards
As of March 2019, Checkatrade employed over 400 people and had 36,000 vetted trade members.
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I know who checkatrade are.
I also know who you meant in your post, just as you did mine.
I notice you didn't address any of my points. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage. "
And now they have left and we haven’t got enough builders to fill the gap, problem created |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage.
And now they have left and we haven’t got enough builders to fill the gap, problem created "
The problem was created years ago when the great and good decided that a degree meant something better than working with your hands, to say the problem was only because of Brexit is remainer blindness, and let's face it any EU tradesmen here can stay as long as they are registered,
It's funny how all the labour shortages that are being reported are in "real" jobs that have been shown tobe the most important over the last 15 months, no shortage of pen pushers |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage.
And now they have left and we haven’t got enough builders to fill the gap, problem created
The problem was created years ago when the great and good decided that a degree meant something better than working with your hands, to say the problem was only because of Brexit is remainer blindness, and let's face it any EU tradesmen here can stay as long as they are registered,
It's funny how all the labour shortages that are being reported are in "real" jobs that have been shown tobe the most important over the last 15 months, no shortage of pen pushers "
Why can’t a young person decide what degree and career they want ? I am more likely to believe the opinion of a building trade expert over a person on a sex site |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage.
And now they have left and we haven’t got enough builders to fill the gap, problem created
The problem was created years ago when the great and good decided that a degree meant something better than working with your hands, to say the problem was only because of Brexit is remainer blindness, and let's face it any EU tradesmen here can stay as long as they are registered,
It's funny how all the labour shortages that are being reported are in "real" jobs that have been shown tobe the most important over the last 15 months, no shortage of pen pushers
Why can’t a young person decide what degree and career they want ? I am more likely to believe the opinion of a building trade expert over a person on a sex site "
Because everyone would want to be ceo of a multinational business and get paid a million a year, in the real world people need to contribute to their own life and society by working, that means they have to find a job, we all have a range of natural skills and can be trained to be expert at a job that we need, the last 30 years kids have been told the only way is uni, they end up in debt, quite often with a qualification that there is very little demand for and no job.
The unions often say we need more skilled jobs, well we have thousands of skilled jobs available in trades, kids need to be shown there is a good living to be made.
A lot of this goes back to the drive to end selection at 11 years old, the brightest going to a education based on brains, others going to education based on skills that involve skills with hands. If course it's much more socialist to drag everyone one down instead of getting the best out of individuals |
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage.
And now they have left and we haven’t got enough builders to fill the gap, problem created
The problem was created years ago when the great and good decided that a degree meant something better than working with your hands, to say the problem was only because of Brexit is remainer blindness, and let's face it any EU tradesmen here can stay as long as they are registered,
It's funny how all the labour shortages that are being reported are in "real" jobs that have been shown tobe the most important over the last 15 months, no shortage of pen pushers
Why can’t a young person decide what degree and career they want ? I am more likely to believe the opinion of a building trade expert over a person on a sex site
Because everyone would want to be ceo of a multinational business and get paid a million a year, in the real world people need to contribute to their own life and society by working, that means they have to find a job, we all have a range of natural skills and can be trained to be expert at a job that we need, the last 30 years kids have been told the only way is uni, they end up in debt, quite often with a qualification that there is very little demand for and no job.
The unions often say we need more skilled jobs, well we have thousands of skilled jobs available in trades, kids need to be shown there is a good living to be made.
A lot of this goes back to the drive to end selection at 11 years old, the brightest going to a education based on brains, others going to education based on skills that involve skills with hands. If course it's much more socialist to drag everyone one down instead of getting the best out of individuals"
Kids want to be a footballer, social media influencer or possibly a professional gamer.
You can't expect kids to do menial jobs, this is the computer age, not the dark ages  |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
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"Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree"
Great idea... we'd now have no doctors, nurses, pharmacists, teachers, lawyers, engineers, architects (to actually design the buildings that these mythical plumbers and brickies are gonna work on), journalists, media professionals, IT experts... |
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage.
And now they have left and we haven’t got enough builders to fill the gap, problem created
The problem was created years ago when the great and good decided that a degree meant something better than working with your hands, to say the problem was only because of Brexit is remainer blindness, and let's face it any EU tradesmen here can stay as long as they are registered,
It's funny how all the labour shortages that are being reported are in "real" jobs that have been shown tobe the most important over the last 15 months, no shortage of pen pushers
Why can’t a young person decide what degree and career they want ? I am more likely to believe the opinion of a building trade expert over a person on a sex site "
that’s what you always say yet here you are every single day engaging with ppl on a sex site on the politics forum lol |
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""Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree"
Great idea... we'd now have no doctors, nurses, pharmacists, teachers, lawyers, engineers, architects (to actually design the buildings that these mythical plumbers and brickies are gonna work on), journalists, media professionals, IT experts..."
so are you saying you can get any of the jobs with a useless degree then lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage.
And now they have left and we haven’t got enough builders to fill the gap, problem created
The problem was created years ago when the great and good decided that a degree meant something better than working with your hands, to say the problem was only because of Brexit is remainer blindness, and let's face it any EU tradesmen here can stay as long as they are registered,
It's funny how all the labour shortages that are being reported are in "real" jobs that have been shown tobe the most important over the last 15 months, no shortage of pen pushers
Why can’t a young person decide what degree and career they want ? I am more likely to believe the opinion of a building trade expert over a person on a sex site that’s what you always say yet here you are every single day engaging with ppl on a sex site on the politics forum lol"
Always makes me this one |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
It wasn’t a problem until we left the EU
Of course it was, the EU trades came here because we had a shortage.
And now they have left and we haven’t got enough builders to fill the gap, problem created
The problem was created years ago when the great and good decided that a degree meant something better than working with your hands, to say the problem was only because of Brexit is remainer blindness, and let's face it any EU tradesmen here can stay as long as they are registered,
It's funny how all the labour shortages that are being reported are in "real" jobs that have been shown tobe the most important over the last 15 months, no shortage of pen pushers
Why can’t a young person decide what degree and career they want ? I am more likely to believe the opinion of a building trade expert over a person on a sex site that’s what you always say yet here you are every single day engaging with ppl on a sex site on the politics forum lol"
Just tying to educate mate, your not being forced to read or respond to my threads |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
""Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree"
Great idea... we'd now have no doctors, nurses, pharmacists, teachers, lawyers, engineers, architects (to actually design the buildings that these mythical plumbers and brickies are gonna work on), journalists, media professionals, IT experts..."
Medical and engineering degrees arent useless are they, have a good look through the list of degrees available and see how many are useful and how many are useless, google the london economic and its report on graduates it's a real eye opener.
We have thousands of vacancies and a lot of unemployed, either they don't want jobs or cant be arsed to train, all three of my stepsons are in trades, they earn really good money, friends have kids who have been to uni, two work in supermarkets stacking shelves, one worked for the national trust inputting data, now unemployed, all three have large debts and arent using their qualification, what a waste. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"The latest Brexit scapegoat is labour educational policies from the 60s
It will be cavemen next."
Glad you accept it was labour that destroyed the system that worked well.
It's not brexit that caused the lack of youngsters training in trades its the education policy, EU migrants have just covered the problem, |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The latest Brexit scapegoat is labour educational policies from the 60s
It will be cavemen next.
Glad you accept it was labour that destroyed the system that worked well.
It's not brexit that caused the lack of youngsters training in trades its the education policy, EU migrants have just covered the problem, "
We voted to leave 5 years ago, why is there a now a shortage of tradesmen? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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""Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree"
Great idea... we'd now have no doctors, nurses, pharmacists, teachers, lawyers, engineers, architects (to actually design the buildings that these mythical plumbers and brickies are gonna work on), journalists, media professionals, IT experts...
Medical and engineering degrees arent useless are they, have a good look through the list of degrees available and see how many are useful and how many are useless, google the london economic and its report on graduates it's a real eye opener.
We have thousands of vacancies and a lot of unemployed, either they don't want jobs or cant be arsed to train, all three of my stepsons are in trades, they earn really good money, friends have kids who have been to uni, two work in supermarkets stacking shelves, one worked for the national trust inputting data, now unemployed, all three have large debts and arent using their qualification, what a waste."
Right, so if they don’t stack supermarket shelves who will? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade. "
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that? "
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes "
simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that |
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The problem is a gmnt that was last in power in the 70s and absolutely nothing to do with a gmnt has been in power for a big chunk of 40 years.
I do find it quite amusing none of these issues were raised during the leave campaign.
Project fear obvs |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that "
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? "
no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life "
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
""Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree"
Great idea... we'd now have no doctors, nurses, pharmacists, teachers, lawyers, engineers, architects (to actually design the buildings that these mythical plumbers and brickies are gonna work on), journalists, media professionals, IT experts...
Medical and engineering degrees arent useless are they, have a good look through the list of degrees available and see how many are useful and how many are useless, google the london economic and its report on graduates it's a real eye opener.
We have thousands of vacancies and a lot of unemployed, either they don't want jobs or cant be arsed to train, all three of my stepsons are in trades, they earn really good money, friends have kids who have been to uni, two work in supermarkets stacking shelves, one worked for the national trust inputting data, now unemployed, all three have large debts and arent using their qualification, what a waste.
Right, so if they don’t stack supermarket shelves who will? "
If you need to ask that question and your previous one then there is little point in continuing the debate, which part about the education system not encouraging people to into an area where work is well rewarded and freely available dont you understand ? This isnt a five year old issue or even ten it's much older |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience "
well she’s been 3says in the last year the rest online not much of an experience lol |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history . |
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""Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree"
Great idea... we'd now have no doctors, nurses, pharmacists, teachers, lawyers, engineers, architects (to actually design the buildings that these mythical plumbers and brickies are gonna work on), journalists, media professionals, IT experts...
Medical and engineering degrees arent useless are they, have a good look through the list of degrees available and see how many are useful and how many are useless, google the london economic and its report on graduates it's a real eye opener.
We have thousands of vacancies and a lot of unemployed, either they don't want jobs or cant be arsed to train, all three of my stepsons are in trades, they earn really good money, friends have kids who have been to uni, two work in supermarkets stacking shelves, one worked for the national trust inputting data, now unemployed, all three have large debts and arent using their qualification, what a waste.
Right, so if they don’t stack supermarket shelves who will?
If you need to ask that question and your previous one then there is little point in continuing the debate, which part about the education system not encouraging people to into an area where work is well rewarded and freely available dont you understand ? This isnt a five year old issue or even ten it's much older "
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history . "
Yeah but, it’s kids going to Uni that are to blame  |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience "
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten. |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten."
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten.
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years "
they could do a degree in 2years if they if they actually used normal employment hrs instead of bastard school hrs and holidays |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten.
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years they could do a degree in 2years if they if they actually used normal employment hrs instead of bastard school hrs and holidays "
That is the way it has always been, the perks of being a teacher or lecturer is the time you get off out of term |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history . "
The latest sats show a current NET migration to the uk of 3 per 1000 people so there are still more people coming here than going home. |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten.
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years they could do a degree in 2years if they if they actually used normal employment hrs instead of bastard school hrs and holidays
That is the way it has always been, the perks of being a teacher or lecturer is the time you get off out of term "
I think even the kids would rather do a proper week and a year and box it of I know mine would and please don’t mention teachers getting perks I’ll spew me ring up lol |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten.
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years they could do a degree in 2years if they if they actually used normal employment hrs instead of bastard school hrs and holidays
That is the way it has always been, the perks of being a teacher or lecturer is the time you get off out of term I think even the kids would rather do a proper week and a year and box it of I know mine would and please don’t mention teachers getting perks I’ll spew me ring up lol"
Why shouldn’t they get the time off they have always had? Could you be a teacher? Anyway, this has no relevance to the OP, you can’t honestly blame the lack of tradesmen on teachers having time off out of term? |
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
The latest sats show a current NET migration to the uk of 3 per 1000 people so there are still more people coming here than going home."
That is all the stupid ex pats who didn’t fill in the correct paper work being forced home |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten.
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years "
Yes you can and she did. All degrees could be done far faster, the average hours a week a student does is less than 20.
It's funny how all the doom merchants are full of cant do this cant do that. Well sorry you can do anything if you want to badly enough |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
The latest sats show a current NET migration to the uk of 3 per 1000 people so there are still more people coming here than going home.
That is all the stupid ex pats who didn’t fill in the correct paper work being forced home "
So why are all these eu workers going home when all these jobs are available ? |
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over a year ago
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten.
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years
Yes you can and she did. All degrees could be done far faster, the average hours a week a student does is less than 20.
It's funny how all the doom merchants are full of cant do this cant do that. Well sorry you can do anything if you want to badly enough "
You definitely can’t get a degree from scratch in 12 months, impossible . None of this is relevant to the OP, |
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over a year ago
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
The latest sats show a current NET migration to the uk of 3 per 1000 people so there are still more people coming here than going home.
That is all the stupid ex pats who didn’t fill in the correct paper work being forced home
So why are all these eu workers going home when all these jobs are available ? "
No idea, |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten.
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years
Yes you can and she did. All degrees could be done far faster, the average hours a week a student does is less than 20.
It's funny how all the doom merchants are full of cant do this cant do that. Well sorry you can do anything if you want to badly enough
You definitely can’t get a degree from scratch in 12 months, impossible . None of this is relevant to the OP, "
She did |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
Actually the population of the U.K. has been rising in average age for a long time due a low birth rate. We needed younger workers or ever worker prior to the rise in immigration would have been looking after the elderly.
Who pays for that?
That will be the next huge problem, finding people to work in care homes simple make it a decent wage talk of a minimum wage for carers not long ago wonder what happened to that
True, so we need uk kids to be waiters, builders, care home workers etc etc and not go to university? no we need them to do all of that mines at uni and works full time aswell it all comes down to ambition amd what they want out of life
You can’t be a builder and go to uni, but i get your point , going to uni isn’t just about getting a degree , it’s also about the experience
Of course you can get a degree while working full time, plenty of non residential degrees .
K did her health visitor degree in 12 months while working full time as a midwife and raising three kids under ten.
You can’t do a degree in 12 months unless she already had qualifications , the fastest is 2 years
Yes you can and she did. All degrees could be done far faster, the average hours a week a student does is less than 20.
It's funny how all the doom merchants are full of cant do this cant do that. Well sorry you can do anything if you want to badly enough
You definitely can’t get a degree from scratch in 12 months, impossible . None of this is relevant to the OP,
She did "
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history . "
Going well ismt it?
Who would have thought letting a man run the country who doesnt know the names of his children would cause problems? |
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
Yeah but, it’s kids going to Uni that are to blame "
Its like Brexit roulette |
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
Yeah but, it’s kids going to Uni that are to blame
Its like Brexit roulette "
Bloody teachers having time off out of term causing a lack of tradesmen, bastards |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
The latest sats show a current NET migration to the uk of 3 per 1000 people so there are still more people coming here than going home."
There was always more immigration from outside of Europe . 90% of EU migrants came as workers. The rest of the world is the total reverse as 80% came as dependants or students . Granny from Delhi isn’t looking to be a plumber!!
It’s the right sort of economic immigrant we’ve lost!! |
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
Yeah but, it’s kids going to Uni that are to blame
Its like Brexit roulette
Bloody teachers having time off out of term causing a lack of tradesmen, bastards "
Its hilarious
They must have ran out of excuses to blame the eu so now we are into a gmnt from 40 years ago and teachers.
Brilliant
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
Yeah but, it’s kids going to Uni that are to blame
Its like Brexit roulette
Bloody teachers having time off out of term causing a lack of tradesmen, bastards
Its hilarious
They must have ran out of excuses to blame the eu so now we are into a gmnt from 40 years ago and teachers.
Brilliant
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
Yeah but, it’s kids going to Uni that are to blame
Its like Brexit roulette
Bloody teachers having time off out of term causing a lack of tradesmen, bastards "
teachers term time was mentioned in response to the length of time a degree takes it was you that put tradesmen amd term time together your arguing with yeself now lol |
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
Yeah but, it’s kids going to Uni that are to blame
Its like Brexit roulette
Bloody teachers having time off out of term causing a lack of tradesmen, bastards teachers term time was mentioned in response to the length of time a degree takes it was you that put tradesmen amd term time together your arguing with yeself now lol"
The OP is about a lack of tradesmen
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"Its mad how the rest of the world is embracing how small the world has become, and brexiteers wanna take us back to the 50s."
Nostalgia, most leave voters were children in the 1950s |
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"Its mad how the rest of the world is embracing how small the world has become, and brexiteers wanna take us back to the 50s.
Nostalgia, most leave voters were children in the 1950s "
A simpler time when Britannia still ruled the waves
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"Its mad how the rest of the world is embracing how small the world has become, and brexiteers wanna take us back to the 50s.
Nostalgia, most leave voters were children in the 1950s
A simpler time when Britannia still ruled the waves
And coincidentally huge racism. In society."
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that"
Maybe if people voted for governments which were pro-wealth distribution in the form of greater access to education and reeducation for adults, we could have 'british jobs for British workers'.
As it stands we've had 10 years+ of Tory majorities mismanaging skill training and retraining in this country.
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"Its mad how the rest of the world is embracing how small the world has become, and brexiteers wanna take us back to the 50s.
Nostalgia, most leave voters were children in the 1950s
A simpler time when Britannia still ruled the waves
And coincidentally huge racism. In society.so that’s how you shoe horn racism into a thread lol"
Can you show me how to show horn a footy result into a politics thread
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"How many do we have unemployed ? Perhaps the government's of the last 30 years should have told kids to get a trade instead of a fucking useless degree.
I have to agree, A trade apprenticeship takes between 2-3 years , we voted to leave 5 years ago , the tories had plenty of time to prevent this
It goes back far longer than that
Maybe if people voted for governments which were pro-wealth distribution in the form of greater access to education and reeducation for adults, we could have 'british jobs for British workers'.
As it stands we've had 10 years+ of Tory majorities mismanaging skill training and retraining in this country.
Birds come home to roost if you ask me."
Well more than 10 years.
Apart from the Blair years they have been in power since 79 yet hilariously it's still labours fault. |
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
The latest sats show a current NET migration to the uk of 3 per 1000 people so there are still more people coming here than going home.
That is all the stupid ex pats who didn’t fill in the correct paper work being forced home
So why are all these eu workers going home when all these jobs are available ? "
Why the fuck would they want to stay?
Brexit removed the right to free travel in the EU, the right to work here.
Now they have to go through the settlement process, also have to put up with being told to fuck off back home by some local neanderthal. |
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Reading the posts was interesting.
Well as there are so many jobs now out there, the unemployed should take advantage of this and start getting into work into these professions.
One of the key battles of brexit was the fact that uk workers were being pushed out of jobs because of EU workers.
Now this has happened, the UK’s unemployed should be rushing to fill the void. No ifs, no buts.
If they cannot do that, then its a wasted opportunity. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history . "
Being our forum trucking expert, did you catch the Jeremy Vine phone in on Monday lunchtime.
One of the subjects was lack of truckers.
Interesting that an experienced trucker ripped into the man from the RHA. Told him that they'd had years to sort this out and nothing got done.
Many truckers rang in to say people are leaving the trade, due to conditions, poor pay, more regulation etc. One trucker said he got more driving a forktruck in a warehouse, than being out on the road.
New truckers weren't being taken on, due to insurance problems.
Quite an eye-opener, and quite a mess! |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Screw fix saying all trades in short supply .
70-80k Driver shortage causing building materials backlog and slow supply. Will hit supermarkets this summer according to the big four including Tesco.
Shortage of nurses and care workers . 180k shortage in hospitality . 30k shortage of border force needed for Brexit!! The last one just amazing !! What a plan .
2 m workers leaving to go back home. It seems a bit of a big ask to carry on as normal.
It wasn’t cheap labour it was workers paying tax and a lot of skilled workers too.
The number of workers equal to the population of Birmingham just picking up sticks and leaving is a massive problem for any country. Biggest own goal in history .
Being our forum trucking expert, did you catch the Jeremy Vine phone in on Monday lunchtime.
One of the subjects was lack of truckers.
Interesting that an experienced trucker ripped into the man from the RHA. Told him that they'd had years to sort this out and nothing got done.
Many truckers rang in to say people are leaving the trade, due to conditions, poor pay, more regulation etc. One trucker said he got more driving a forktruck in a warehouse, than being out on the road.
New truckers weren't being taken on, due to insurance problems.
Quite an eye-opener, and quite a mess! "
Totally agree
The pay is average at best. Industry’s fault. Too many family companies historically who were better described as enthusiasts prepared to work for sod all. Keeping rates low. They have disappeared a lot now.
Insurance premiums just too high for inexperienced drivers .
Training - It cost £3-5k to put a driver through his licence and who’s to say he will pass? So an individual won’t spend the money it’s too risky. Companies should pay I hear you say. They do and a lot more than us being stated, however that option has its own minefield, If you keep paying and he repeatedly doesn’t pass it’s burnt money. Let’s assume he passes and even if he has a contract with you he just ups and leaves and how do you chase him for the money without spending more money on someone who’s probably unemployed??
Like we need nurses so they get free education drivers are needed so free training!! Just a thought!!
The regulations regarding driver CPC resulting in older drivers just not bothering and leaving the industry. Government's fault.
Constant traffic jams resulting in sleeping in cabs Governments fault.
Complete lack of suitable parking across the country resulting in having to sleep on industrial estates or some side road with no washing or toilet facilities Governments fault.
It’s just becoming a totally unattractive job so why would anyone want to do it unless they just love driving??
The European drivers have hidden the problems of the industry for years and also given us a huge pool of willing hard workers. We now have a gaping hole and it’s not going to be easily fixed.
It’s a shame they didn’t interview the Logistics U.K. chairman as they represent the corporate end of logistics. It would have been a better example of road and rail etc. RHA is more family firms.
Industry is hiking prices across the board and especially on exports. 10% plus. Expect your shopping to cost more sometime soon.
Anyway don’t worry this was all taken into account with Boris’ detailed exit plan so I’m sure the answer will be revealed when we find those sunny uplands!!
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus "
Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias. |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias. "
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? "
No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not."
Not sure this idea of cheap labour is right. The truck drivers nurses caters etc were all paid the same rate as U.K. workers.
Was it any different in the building game or was it that we needed the labour and they just added to the workforce at the same rate .
Not in the building game so no idea of the reality just a a question. |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not."
And now we are left with a shortage of tradesmen , prices for the consumer will sky rocket , house prices will continue to rise, rents will rise (which is good news for me, less so for first time buyers ) and standards will drop . |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not.
Not sure this idea of cheap labour is right. The truck drivers nurses caters etc were all paid the same rate as U.K. workers.
Was it any different in the building game or was it that we needed the labour and they just added to the workforce at the same rate .
Not in the building game so no idea of the reality just a a question. "
There is no such thing as ‘cheap labour ‘ in the building game, EU workers stopped the over inflated prices that were being charged by UK tradesmen, |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not.
And now we are left with a shortage of tradesmen , prices for the consumer will sky rocket , house prices will continue to rise, rents will rise (which is good news for me, less so for first time buyers ) and standards will drop . "
Well i guess it will effect you as why would you employ "lazy arsed uk builders who overcharge"? |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not.
Not sure this idea of cheap labour is right. The truck drivers nurses caters etc were all paid the same rate as U.K. workers.
Was it any different in the building game or was it that we needed the labour and they just added to the workforce at the same rate .
Not in the building game so no idea of the reality just a a question. "
I find it a bit odd that foreign workers are often see as responsible for undercutting local workers,yet its the english bosses who are quite happy to screw british workers to save a few quid.
Similarly the Tory party has always stressed the market is king so why are they suddenly so obsessed with brotish workers getting priority? |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not.
And now we are left with a shortage of tradesmen , prices for the consumer will sky rocket , house prices will continue to rise, rents will rise (which is good news for me, less so for first time buyers ) and standards will drop . Well i guess it will effect you as why would you employ "lazy arsed uk builders who overcharge"?"
I employ the best people for the job |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not.
And now we are left with a shortage of tradesmen , prices for the consumer will sky rocket , house prices will continue to rise, rents will rise (which is good news for me, less so for first time buyers ) and standards will drop . Well i guess it will effect you as why would you employ "lazy arsed uk builders who overcharge"?
I employ the best people for the job "
well judging by your posts bud I guess you won’t be employing any brits |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not.
And now we are left with a shortage of tradesmen , prices for the consumer will sky rocket , house prices will continue to rise, rents will rise (which is good news for me, less so for first time buyers ) and standards will drop . Well i guess it will effect you as why would you employ "lazy arsed uk builders who overcharge"?
I employ the best people for the job well judging by your posts bud I guess you won’t be employing any brits "
I have in the past, I prefer to have choices though , |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not.
And now we are left with a shortage of tradesmen , prices for the consumer will sky rocket , house prices will continue to rise, rents will rise (which is good news for me, less so for first time buyers ) and standards will drop . Well i guess it will effect you as why would you employ "lazy arsed uk builders who overcharge"?
I employ the best people for the job well judging by your posts bud I guess you won’t be employing any brits
I have in the past, I prefer to have choices though , "
choices in nationality’s lol what’s your favourite |
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A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become. |
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"What happened before 1992?
With freedom of movement came a glut of low charging foreign builders which made it unsustainable for a lot of the domestic builders. Maybe now it will be more appealing as a trade.
So we’re going back to lazy arsed UK builders over charging for jobs ? Another Brexit bonus Why do class a whole countries builders as lazy and other nations not? it seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of nationalities. Im sure there are as many hard working brits as there are eu citizens in the building game.Once again showing your anti uk bias.
I am not anti UK ,however , healthy competition in any industry helps raise standards and gives the consumer more choices , agree? No ? well it seems like it when you accuse a whole nation of being " lazy arsed builders overcharging for jobs" what am i suposed to deduce from that. Yes healthy competition is always good but a flood of people undercutting prices is not.
And now we are left with a shortage of tradesmen , prices for the consumer will sky rocket , house prices will continue to rise, rents will rise (which is good news for me, less so for first time buyers ) and standards will drop . Well i guess it will effect you as why would you employ "lazy arsed uk builders who overcharge"?
I employ the best people for the job well judging by your posts bud I guess you won’t be employing any brits
I have in the past, I prefer to have choices though , choices in nationality’s lol what’s your favourite "
No, just choices, based on quality, reputation and price |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"So why are all these eu workers going home when all these jobs are available ? "
Because so many xenophobic brexiters made then feel as welcome as a turd in a swimming pool. Why stay in a country where you aren’t wanted or valued!
Bloody foreigners leaving our country and creating loads of job vacancies, how dare they! |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become."
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon "
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant. |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant."
are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ? |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?"
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so. |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so."
so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel "
So you think most tories are tolerant?
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?"
no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy "
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? "
it won’t help the consumer as much as the builder |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? "
TBF not all eu builders are lazy either |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
Most of the builders, painters, electricians around here, are over-employed on the many new build estates going up.
A rise in people staying home and starting out on DIY projects, such as house extensions, hasn't helped either.
Trying to get someone to do a smallish job is nigh on impossible. They either don't turn up for quotation appointments, or quote silly money and ridiculous leadtimes.
I'm pretty sure that retirenents out of the trades, is far in excess of new people coming into them. |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? TBF not all eu builders are lazy either "
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy "
So you dont think tories are tolerant but when I said the sane,I'm being intolerant.
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
So you dont think tories are tolerant but when I said the sane,I'm being intolerant.
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no Lionel you said the younger generation are more tolerant than the older generation I asked for Amy evidence it was you that mentioned the torries lol not like you that is it lol |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? "
Right im glad we have made you see the error of your ways by classing all british builders as lazy rip off merchants,my work is done. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
There is so much work for builders available at present that they can pick and choose. All the large building sites that were mothballed due to covid are now back up to capacity as much as materials allow. The 'local' type builder is now inundated with work, thanks to the money people have saved over the last 15 months and people now allowing workmen back into their properties. If you have a small job, most aren't interested as they can find more sustained work elsewhere. This is all trades from brickies to painters. Unfortunately due to the worldwide shortage of materials, many projects are being held up. But because of all of the above, builders are back in demand again having had it very quiet over much of the last year. The Hungarian husband and wife painters and decorators I spoke to at one property last week said they were as busy as ever and hoping the weather would change as they had a lot of outside work. The large building sites are still erecting at a pace. Of course this I can only speak locally, what I see and who I talk to. I think it's just a high demand on the building trade at present, not down to Brexit. I'm sure once travel restrictions are lifted and builders are still in demand we will see builders from other countries arriving to work, if the demand is there. Like with everything it is all about supply and demand. |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Right im glad we have made you see the error of your ways by classing all british builders as lazy rip off merchants,my work is done. "
Tbf, ‘in my experience ‘ it is mainly English builders who are lazy and try and rip you off , can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Right im glad we have made you see the error of your ways by classing all british builders as lazy rip off merchants,my work is done.
Tbf, ‘in my experience ‘ it is mainly English builders who are lazy and try and rip you off , can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? "
Yeah maybe its a regional problem ever thought of that, how many builders have you employed in the past say from the SE or maybe the SW in "your experience" |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Right im glad we have made you see the error of your ways by classing all british builders as lazy rip off merchants,my work is done.
Tbf, ‘in my experience ‘ it is mainly English builders who are lazy and try and rip you off , can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Yeah maybe its a regional problem ever thought of that, how many builders have you employed in the past say from the SE or maybe the SW in "your experience""
It might be regional . Can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Right im glad we have made you see the error of your ways by classing all british builders as lazy rip off merchants,my work is done.
Tbf, ‘in my experience ‘ it is mainly English builders who are lazy and try and rip you off , can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Yeah maybe its a regional problem ever thought of that, how many builders have you employed in the past say from the SE or maybe the SW in "your experience"
It might be regional . Can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? "
Thats exactly what i thought as the manchester region seems to be bucking the trend with over double the national average covid infections it could well apply to "lazy rip of builders too" as a matter of interest how many builders have you employed to come to this assumption? |
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"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Right im glad we have made you see the error of your ways by classing all british builders as lazy rip off merchants,my work is done.
Tbf, ‘in my experience ‘ it is mainly English builders who are lazy and try and rip you off , can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Yeah maybe its a regional problem ever thought of that, how many builders have you employed in the past say from the SE or maybe the SW in "your experience"
It might be regional . Can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Thats exactly what i thought as the manchester region seems to be bucking the trend with over double the national average covid infections it could well apply to "lazy rip of builders too" as a matter of interest how many builders have you employed to come to this assumption?"
Yeah, it could be regional, I have employed about 10 tradesmen in the last 10 years or so, I like to stick to the same people , at first I had plenty of people quote me on jobs though, hence why I know English tradesmen over charge some didn’t even turn up when I offered them work . Anyway, can you explain why a lack of competition will help the consumer |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A lad on Twitter has posted a story about his mum who has dementia.
She moved here fron germany in the 40s. and has worked all her life as a teacher,taking countless kids to gernany on exchange programmes etc.
She is even patriotic and has a letter from the queen which is made up with.
He describes how he had to fill out a 'settlement'form,so she wouldnt be deported, for her and which, on her own, there is no way she could have filled in.
It's both heartbreaking and indicative of what a hateful,xenophobic nation we have become.
Hopefully the increase in overt xenophobia is just a generational trend. I have found that the older people who lived through the war and the younger generations are less likely to be xenophobic, there is hope on the horizon
Yep..the younger generations definitely seem to be a lot more tolerant.are the older generation not tolerant is there any evidence of this ?
Seeong as most older voters are Tories, I'd say so.so that’s your evidence then atleast your not judgmental or intolerant then eh Lionel
So you think most tories are tolerant?
Have I got that right?no Lionel you have t got that right it’s you who is dishing out the labels mate like ya mate who said British builders are lazy
Tbf, not all English builders are lazy but can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Right im glad we have made you see the error of your ways by classing all british builders as lazy rip off merchants,my work is done.
Tbf, ‘in my experience ‘ it is mainly English builders who are lazy and try and rip you off , can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Yeah maybe its a regional problem ever thought of that, how many builders have you employed in the past say from the SE or maybe the SW in "your experience"
It might be regional . Can you explain how a lack of competition will help the consumer? Thats exactly what i thought as the manchester region seems to be bucking the trend with over double the national average covid infections it could well apply to "lazy rip of builders too" as a matter of interest how many builders have you employed to come to this assumption?
Yeah, it could be regional, I have employed about 10 tradesmen in the last 10 years or so, I like to stick to the same people , at first I had plenty of people quote me on jobs though, hence why I know English tradesmen over charge some didn’t even turn up when I offered them work . Anyway, can you explain why a lack of competition will help the consumer "
I never said it was, healthy competition is good for everyone having too few or too many is not. The lack of building materials is probably more of a worry at the moment. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
“The lack of building materials is probably more of a worry at the moment.”
That’s partly back to the lack of HGV drivers!
Everything is linked.
In MY experience with trades there are good and bad in all nationalities. However, it has felt like the Polish builders were A) Hungrier for the work and B) Worked their socks off.
In MY experience with British builders it was all POETS day and popping off “to get materials” when they were really quoting other jobs. |
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"“The lack of building materials is probably more of a worry at the moment.”
That’s partly back to the lack of HGV drivers!
Everything is linked.
In MY experience with trades there are good and bad in all nationalities. However, it has felt like the Polish builders were A) Hungrier for the work and B) Worked their socks off.
In MY experience with British builders it was all POETS day and popping off “to get materials” when they were really quoting other jobs."
is t it the same as when brits work abroad |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!! |
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"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!! "
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"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!! "
It's going to be hilarious when the final result of kicking Europeans out of the UK turns out to be allowing free entry for people from India. Suits me actually, I have some good friends from there that spent many thousands of pounds studying at UK universities only to be told to fuck off by the conservative government when they finished. It'll be nice to see them come back over and be able to drop into well paid high tech positions, the sort of thing that BJ will be forced to give out visas for in return for some crumbs of trade. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!!
It's going to be hilarious when the final result of kicking Europeans out of the UK turns out to be allowing free entry for people from India. Suits me actually, I have some good friends from there that spent many thousands of pounds studying at UK universities only to be told to fuck off by the conservative government when they finished. It'll be nice to see them come back over and be able to drop into well paid high tech positions, the sort of thing that BJ will be forced to give out visas for in return for some crumbs of trade. "
Surely that was one of the good things to come out of brexit, people no matter what part of the world they come from who are qualified to fill jobs that need filling can instead of the nepotism of the eu system. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!!
It's going to be hilarious when the final result of kicking Europeans out of the UK turns out to be allowing free entry for people from India. Suits me actually, I have some good friends from there that spent many thousands of pounds studying at UK universities only to be told to fuck off by the conservative government when they finished. It'll be nice to see them come back over and be able to drop into well paid high tech positions, the sort of thing that BJ will be forced to give out visas for in return for some crumbs of trade. Surely that was one of the good things to come out of brexit, people no matter what part of the world they come from who are qualified to fill jobs that need filling can instead of the nepotism of the eu system."
Nepotism ?? 27 different countries nepotism!! Ha ha
They were skilled workers who we needed and now it’s a good thing to have free movement from cheaper labour countries .
The need was economic workers as is blatantly being shown now.
English jobs for English workers !! Those English workers don’t exist as we can now see!! |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!!
It's going to be hilarious when the final result of kicking Europeans out of the UK turns out to be allowing free entry for people from India. Suits me actually, I have some good friends from there that spent many thousands of pounds studying at UK universities only to be told to fuck off by the conservative government when they finished. It'll be nice to see them come back over and be able to drop into well paid high tech positions, the sort of thing that BJ will be forced to give out visas for in return for some crumbs of trade. Surely that was one of the good things to come out of brexit, people no matter what part of the world they come from who are qualified to fill jobs that need filling can instead of the nepotism of the eu system.
Nepotism ?? 27 different countries nepotism!! Ha ha
They were skilled workers who we needed and now it’s a good thing to have free movement from cheaper labour countries .
The need was economic workers as is blatantly being shown now.
English jobs for English workers !! Those English workers don’t exist as we can now see!! "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!!
It's going to be hilarious when the final result of kicking Europeans out of the UK turns out to be allowing free entry for people from India. Suits me actually, I have some good friends from there that spent many thousands of pounds studying at UK universities only to be told to fuck off by the conservative government when they finished. It'll be nice to see them come back over and be able to drop into well paid high tech positions, the sort of thing that BJ will be forced to give out visas for in return for some crumbs of trade. Surely that was one of the good things to come out of brexit, people no matter what part of the world they come from who are qualified to fill jobs that need filling can instead of the nepotism of the eu system.
Nepotism ?? 27 different countries nepotism!! Ha ha
They were skilled workers who we needed and now it’s a good thing to have free movement from cheaper labour countries .
The need was economic workers as is blatantly being shown now.
English jobs for English workers !! Those English workers don’t exist as we can now see!! "
Yes nepotism, why should someone who is in an eu country have more rights to work in another eu country than someone who isn't? |
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over a year ago
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"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!!
It's going to be hilarious when the final result of kicking Europeans out of the UK turns out to be allowing free entry for people from India. Suits me actually, I have some good friends from there that spent many thousands of pounds studying at UK universities only to be told to fuck off by the conservative government when they finished. It'll be nice to see them come back over and be able to drop into well paid high tech positions, the sort of thing that BJ will be forced to give out visas for in return for some crumbs of trade. Surely that was one of the good things to come out of brexit, people no matter what part of the world they come from who are qualified to fill jobs that need filling can instead of the nepotism of the eu system.
Nepotism ?? 27 different countries nepotism!! Ha ha
They were skilled workers who we needed and now it’s a good thing to have free movement from cheaper labour countries .
The need was economic workers as is blatantly being shown now.
English jobs for English workers !! Those English workers don’t exist as we can now see!! Yes nepotism, why should someone who is in an eu country have more rights to work in another eu country than someone who isn't?"
PMSL . Why should UK workers have more rights to work in the UK than someone who isn’t? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!!
It's going to be hilarious when the final result of kicking Europeans out of the UK turns out to be allowing free entry for people from India. Suits me actually, I have some good friends from there that spent many thousands of pounds studying at UK universities only to be told to fuck off by the conservative government when they finished. It'll be nice to see them come back over and be able to drop into well paid high tech positions, the sort of thing that BJ will be forced to give out visas for in return for some crumbs of trade. Surely that was one of the good things to come out of brexit, people no matter what part of the world they come from who are qualified to fill jobs that need filling can instead of the nepotism of the eu system.
Nepotism ?? 27 different countries nepotism!! Ha ha
They were skilled workers who we needed and now it’s a good thing to have free movement from cheaper labour countries .
The need was economic workers as is blatantly being shown now.
English jobs for English workers !! Those English workers don’t exist as we can now see!! Yes nepotism, why should someone who is in an eu country have more rights to work in another eu country than someone who isn't?"
So it’s ok to have favourable terms from India though!! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A lot of U.K. engineers working in Dubai are being replaced by much cheaper engineers from India . I guess we can look forward to that happening in the U.K. as soon as Boris sorts his amazing deal with India allowing far more immigrants from that country. That’s part of the Indian Prime Minsters negotiation to allow easier access to the U.K. for workers from India. Take control of our borders by kicking out one lot of workers only to allow another possibly cheaper lot of workers in. That has cheap labour Tory policy written large all over it!!
It's going to be hilarious when the final result of kicking Europeans out of the UK turns out to be allowing free entry for people from India. Suits me actually, I have some good friends from there that spent many thousands of pounds studying at UK universities only to be told to fuck off by the conservative government when they finished. It'll be nice to see them come back over and be able to drop into well paid high tech positions, the sort of thing that BJ will be forced to give out visas for in return for some crumbs of trade. Surely that was one of the good things to come out of brexit, people no matter what part of the world they come from who are qualified to fill jobs that need filling can instead of the nepotism of the eu system.
Nepotism ?? 27 different countries nepotism!! Ha ha
They were skilled workers who we needed and now it’s a good thing to have free movement from cheaper labour countries .
The need was economic workers as is blatantly being shown now.
English jobs for English workers !! Those English workers don’t exist as we can now see!! Yes nepotism, why should someone who is in an eu country have more rights to work in another eu country than someone who isn't?
So it’s ok to have favourable terms from India though!! "
Has India got favourable terms then what are they? |
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"Been living in Spain 18 years now lot of problems driving tax and all.that can see both sides but nightmare at times guys "
Yeah it does appear as if uk citizens living in the EU are also now having to jump through some hoops just like EU citizens living here, such a shame that the EU and the UK are making people's lives more difficult just to try and get one up on each other. Sad state of affairs all round I think. |
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"Been living in Spain 18 years now lot of problems driving tax and all.that can see both sides but nightmare at times guys
Yeah it does appear as if uk citizens living in the EU are also now having to jump through some hoops just like EU citizens living here, such a shame that the EU and the UK are making people's lives more difficult just to try and get one up on each other. Sad state of affairs all round I think."
That’s what happens when you vote to end freedom of movement,  |
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"Been living in Spain 18 years now lot of problems driving tax and all.that can see both sides but nightmare at times guys
Yeah it does appear as if uk citizens living in the EU are also now having to jump through some hoops just like EU citizens living here, such a shame that the EU and the UK are making people's lives more difficult just to try and get one up on each other. Sad state of affairs all round I think.
That’s what happens when you vote to end freedom of movement, "
Well yes and no in my opinion because I do think a lot this is unnecessary and is a tit for tat approach trying to get one up on the other, freedom of movement ending should of had no need to have a affect on people that have lived in a certain country for many years like what is happening at the moment here and in the EU, these people are not moving around they have set up home and created a life and contribute to the economies and society's that they live in. |
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"Been living in Spain 18 years now lot of problems driving tax and all.that can see both sides but nightmare at times guys
Yeah it does appear as if uk citizens living in the EU are also now having to jump through some hoops just like EU citizens living here, such a shame that the EU and the UK are making people's lives more difficult just to try and get one up on each other. Sad state of affairs all round I think.
That’s what happens when you vote to end freedom of movement,
Well yes and no in my opinion because I do think a lot this is unnecessary and is a tit for tat approach trying to get one up on the other, freedom of movement ending should of had no need to have a affect on people that have lived in a certain country for many years like what is happening at the moment here and in the EU, these people are not moving around they have set up home and created a life and contribute to the economies and society's that they live in."
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"Been living in Spain 18 years now lot of problems driving tax and all.that can see both sides but nightmare at times guys
Yeah it does appear as if uk citizens living in the EU are also now having to jump through some hoops just like EU citizens living here, such a shame that the EU and the UK are making people's lives more difficult just to try and get one up on each other. Sad state of affairs all round I think.
That’s what happens when you vote to end freedom of movement,
Well yes and no in my opinion because I do think a lot this is unnecessary and is a tit for tat approach trying to get one up on the other, freedom of movement ending should of had no need to have a affect on people that have lived in a certain country for many years like what is happening at the moment here and in the EU, these people are not moving around they have set up home and created a life and contribute to the economies and society's that they live in.
Who voted to end freedom of movement? "
You already know the answer to that question, no dispute there either but surely you can also see that a lot of this stuff that is going on is bullshit and point scoring, surely it doesn't need to be this way for citizens that have lived in whatever country for a long period of time, they are settled and are not moving so whats the issue, so why can't both sides be grown ups and grant citizenship/ settled status or whatever you want to call it is what I am getting at. |
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"Been living in Spain 18 years now lot of problems driving tax and all.that can see both sides but nightmare at times guys
Yeah it does appear as if uk citizens living in the EU are also now having to jump through some hoops just like EU citizens living here, such a shame that the EU and the UK are making people's lives more difficult just to try and get one up on each other. Sad state of affairs all round I think.
That’s what happens when you vote to end freedom of movement,
Well yes and no in my opinion because I do think a lot this is unnecessary and is a tit for tat approach trying to get one up on the other, freedom of movement ending should of had no need to have a affect on people that have lived in a certain country for many years like what is happening at the moment here and in the EU, these people are not moving around they have set up home and created a life and contribute to the economies and society's that they live in.
Who voted to end freedom of movement?
You already know the answer to that question, no dispute there either but surely you can also see that a lot of this stuff that is going on is bullshit and point scoring, surely it doesn't need to be this way for citizens that have lived in whatever country for a long period of time, they are settled and are not moving so whats the issue, so why can't both sides be grown ups and grant citizenship/ settled status or whatever you want to call it is what I am getting at."
Again and again the EU kept offering all sorts of arrangements to the UK to make this easy. The drive to make the split more restrictive, to make it harder for existing residents to stay in countries when they have been living for years, to make it harder for goods to pass from one country to another, has all come 100% from the conservative government of the united kingdom.
The EU is still bending over backwards, allowing the UK to unilaterally ignore rules that it itself set, giving extension after extension for the UK to implement the controls that Boris Johnson personally promised, trying their best to maintain the agreement that allows peace between Eire and Northern Ireland.
The EU throughout has acted in a dignified and adult manner. The UK brexit team have lied, prevaricated, had no idea what they actually wanted, failed to deliver anything that they did promise, broken legally binding treaties before the ink they signed them with had chance to dry, and generally behaved in a totally immature and dishonourable fashion.
On the particular matter of continuing right of residence, there is a brexit campaign document bearing the signatures of Boris Johnson, Priti Patel and Michael Gove that states, and I quote exactly, that "There will be no change for EU citizens already lawfully resident in the UK. EU citizens will automatically be granted indefinite leave to remain in the UK and will be treated not less favourably than they are at present."
The current fuck up is totally caused and owned by the PM and members of his cabinet breaking their word. These people do not know what truth is, they are not fit to hold public office of any sort.
My opinion is nothing to do with which political party they are members of, it is totally due to the fact that they have proven themselves by their public record to be utterly untrustworthy and to have brought disgrace upon the name of the United Kingdom. |
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"Been living in Spain 18 years now lot of problems driving tax and all.that can see both sides but nightmare at times guys
Yeah it does appear as if uk citizens living in the EU are also now having to jump through some hoops just like EU citizens living here, such a shame that the EU and the UK are making people's lives more difficult just to try and get one up on each other. Sad state of affairs all round I think.
That’s what happens when you vote to end freedom of movement,
Well yes and no in my opinion because I do think a lot this is unnecessary and is a tit for tat approach trying to get one up on the other, freedom of movement ending should of had no need to have a affect on people that have lived in a certain country for many years like what is happening at the moment here and in the EU, these people are not moving around they have set up home and created a life and contribute to the economies and society's that they live in.
Who voted to end freedom of movement?
You already know the answer to that question, no dispute there either but surely you can also see that a lot of this stuff that is going on is bullshit and point scoring, surely it doesn't need to be this way for citizens that have lived in whatever country for a long period of time, they are settled and are not moving so whats the issue, so why can't both sides be grown ups and grant citizenship/ settled status or whatever you want to call it is what I am getting at.
Again and again the EU kept offering all sorts of arrangements to the UK to make this easy. The drive to make the split more restrictive, to make it harder for existing residents to stay in countries when they have been living for years, to make it harder for goods to pass from one country to another, has all come 100% from the conservative government of the united kingdom.
The EU is still bending over backwards, allowing the UK to unilaterally ignore rules that it itself set, giving extension after extension for the UK to implement the controls that Boris Johnson personally promised, trying their best to maintain the agreement that allows peace between Eire and Northern Ireland.
The EU throughout has acted in a dignified and adult manner. The UK brexit team have lied, prevaricated, had no idea what they actually wanted, failed to deliver anything that they did promise, broken legally binding treaties before the ink they signed them with had chance to dry, and generally behaved in a totally immature and dishonourable fashion.
On the particular matter of continuing right of residence, there is a brexit campaign document bearing the signatures of Boris Johnson, Priti Patel and Michael Gove that states, and I quote exactly, that "There will be no change for EU citizens already lawfully resident in the UK. EU citizens will automatically be granted indefinite leave to remain in the UK and will be treated not less favourably than they are at present."
The current fuck up is totally caused and owned by the PM and members of his cabinet breaking their word. These people do not know what truth is, they are not fit to hold public office of any sort.
My opinion is nothing to do with which political party they are members of, it is totally due to the fact that they have proven themselves by their public record to be utterly untrustworthy and to have brought disgrace upon the name of the United Kingdom."
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" On the particular matter of continuing right of residence, there is a brexit campaign document bearing the signatures of Boris Johnson, Priti Patel and Michael Gove that states, and I quote exactly, that "There will be no change for EU citizens already lawfully resident in the UK. EU citizens will automatically be granted indefinite leave to remain in the UK and will be treated not less favourably than they are at present." "
2019 - Estimated 3.4 million EU citizens resident in UK
2021 - 4.9 million EU citizens granted settled status in UK
Looks like they have indeed been treated correctly and have an indefinite right to remain in the UK.
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
And just today, one day after OSS & IOSS came into force, the Italians want to override the EU regulations by demanding that IOSS number is on every parcel they receive. The EU rules say that the number must be presented at the EU border by the person presenting the parcel. Either they have not thought about this or don't understand the EU regulation.
Next issue will be the money some states lose on the Euro to whatever currency they use exchange rate.
Getting to the point that the EU is so fractured makes you wonder if they still belive in it themselves. |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
Spain, Lancs |
It's incredibly simple: employers have to make themselves sufficiently attractive to attract the staff they need.
They've had a free ride for too long with low-cost Poles and Romanians. Both those groups have realised they have been exploited and their numbers have reduced.
Employers are now having to increase wages. This is already happening and is a very good thing.
It's the most basic law of economics. |
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