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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.”" And?? | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! " Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” And?? " And? You do care about society don’t you? You surely care about the lowest paid? Not very woke of you otherwise…. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” And?? And? You do care about society don’t you? You surely care about the lowest paid? Not very woke of you otherwise…." Of course I care about the lowest paid, it’s good that you do aswell, what has this got to do with the OP? | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! " Surely if these people were paying tax and NI the government must have known about them?  | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.”" Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for." Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant " So they did know about them then thought so. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……." This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant So they did know about them then thought so." Only the registration of the immigrants was kept in a certain department . Not knowing how many people were affected by Brexit by two million tax paying workers is a huge glaring hole in the planning wouldn’t you say? | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant " Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant So they did know about them then thought so. Only the registration of the immigrants was kept in a certain department . Not knowing how many people were affected by Brexit by two million tax paying workers is a huge glaring hole in the planning wouldn’t you say? " I thought that was the whole point of the eu open boarder policy that you dont need to keep tabs on who is in which country when you are all European citizens.Of course now we have left its different and i would hazzard a guess that other eu countries are now findinding out how many brits they have.As i said another remain non story. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it?" The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant So they did know about them then thought so. Only the registration of the immigrants was kept in a certain department . Not knowing how many people were affected by Brexit by two million tax paying workers is a huge glaring hole in the planning wouldn’t you say? I thought that was the whole point of the eu open boarder policy that you dont need to keep tabs on who is in which country when you are all European citizens.Of course now we have left its different and i would hazzard a guess that other eu countries are now findinding out how many brits they have.As i said another remain non story." Interestingly enough the same investigation is finding less brits than anticipated in the rest of the EU . Someone needs a new calculator. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! " Crazy, and from that I take it we also don't know then if they were all registered and working or what they were doing, maybe just visiting family and friends. Surely if you want to work out how many workers you have you would do it through the tax and national insurance services, surveys on how long you might stay here doesn't tell you very much about the effect on the economy or job market at all. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. " Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that." Are all wages up 9 %? | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that." Speak to your economics professors and when they educate you on economics please come back and share what you learn. It’s great people are getting pay rises I agree totally but it can’t carry on upwards without having an effect elsewhere. Otherwise why aren’t nurses on £300k a year if it’s all good?? | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! Crazy, and from that I take it we also don't know then if they were all registered and working or what they were doing, maybe just visiting family and friends. Surely if you want to work out how many workers you have you would do it through the tax and national insurance services, surveys on how long you might stay here doesn't tell you very much about the effect on the economy or job market at all." Exactly. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it?" Stop talking sense! It's not allowed on here. Only the doomsters and the gloomsters are allowed to be right!  | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! Crazy, and from that I take it we also don't know then if they were all registered and working or what they were doing, maybe just visiting family and friends. Surely if you want to work out how many workers you have you would do it through the tax and national insurance services, surveys on how long you might stay here doesn't tell you very much about the effect on the economy or job market at all." Turns out the all seemed to have registered for NI but ONS missed that little titbit. If you know you tax total average is figure a based on total revenue divided by population of EU workers then the figure is out by 1.5 - 2 million your calculations on its effect are flawed by default . Not taking even the lower 1.5 million workers tax contribution as a loss is a big number to get wrong! It’s tens of Billions and that’s not taking into account what they all would buy here. Bet it’s at least twice what was on the side of that bus! Oh dear Looks like pensioners have got another bit of paying tax to do. Rishi is going to tip them upside down for some more coin. He’s still got to pay off the PPE to his offshore mates. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? Stop talking sense! It's not allowed on here. Only the doomsters and the gloomsters are allowed to be right! "Government have got numbers badly wrong ! That’s not doomsayer that’s fact! If they don’t count properly good luck with the future tax situation. This isn’t even just Brexit it’s incompetent government that’s being exposed. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? Stop talking sense! It's not allowed on here. Only the doomsters and the gloomsters are allowed to be right!
Government have got numbers badly wrong ! That’s not doomsayer that’s fact!
If they don’t count properly good luck with the future tax situation.
This isn’t even just Brexit it’s incompetent government that’s being exposed. "Its the usual tactic of slating anyone who disagrees with the buffoon. Should be used to it by now. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? Stop talking sense! It's not allowed on here. Only the doomsters and the gloomsters are allowed to be right!
Government have got numbers badly wrong ! That’s not doomsayer that’s fact!
If they don’t count properly good luck with the future tax situation.
This isn’t even just Brexit it’s incompetent government that’s being exposed.
Its the usual tactic of slating anyone who disagrees with the buffoon.
Should be used to it by now."The sad thing is everyone should be angry whatever side of the politics you sit. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? Stop talking sense! It's not allowed on here. Only the doomsters and the gloomsters are allowed to be right!
Government have got numbers badly wrong ! That’s not doomsayer that’s fact!
If they don’t count properly good luck with the future tax situation.
This isn’t even just Brexit it’s incompetent government that’s being exposed.
Its the usual tactic of slating anyone who disagrees with the buffoon.
Should be used to it by now.
The sad thing is everyone should be angry whatever side of the politics you sit. "How long have you been on here? They have giving billions to their mates and presided over an utter car crash concerning covid and they still wont get a word of criticism. Tbf you have to admire such blind devotion. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! Crazy, and from that I take it we also don't know then if they were all registered and working or what they were doing, maybe just visiting family and friends. Surely if you want to work out how many workers you have you would do it through the tax and national insurance services, surveys on how long you might stay here doesn't tell you very much about the effect on the economy or job market at all. Turns out the all seemed to have registered for NI but ONS missed that little titbit. If you know you tax total average is figure a based on total revenue divided by population of EU workers then the figure is out by 1.5 - 2 million your calculations on its effect are flawed by default . Not taking even the lower 1.5 million workers tax contribution as a loss is a big number to get wrong! It’s tens of Billions and that’s not taking into account what they all would buy here. Bet it’s at least twice what was on the side of that bus! Oh dear Looks like pensioners have got another bit of paying tax to do. Rishi is going to tip them upside down for some more coin. He’s still got to pay off the PPE to his offshore mates. " The Office for National Statistics is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority, a non-ministerial department which reports directly to the UK Parliament.So another fuckup by civil servants then and not the government as originally stated.  | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! Crazy, and from that I take it we also don't know then if they were all registered and working or what they were doing, maybe just visiting family and friends. Surely if you want to work out how many workers you have you would do it through the tax and national insurance services, surveys on how long you might stay here doesn't tell you very much about the effect on the economy or job market at all. Turns out the all seemed to have registered for NI but ONS missed that little titbit. If you know you tax total average is figure a based on total revenue divided by population of EU workers then the figure is out by 1.5 - 2 million your calculations on its effect are flawed by default . Not taking even the lower 1.5 million workers tax contribution as a loss is a big number to get wrong! It’s tens of Billions and that’s not taking into account what they all would buy here. Bet it’s at least twice what was on the side of that bus! Oh dear Looks like pensioners have got another bit of paying tax to do. Rishi is going to tip them upside down for some more coin. He’s still got to pay off the PPE to his offshore mates. The Office for National Statistics is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority, a non-ministerial department which reports directly to the UK Parliament.So another fuckup by civil servants then and not the government as originally stated. "Government used the ONS figures rather than their own NI figures so they are not at fault?? Interesting view . Seeing as all calculations would have been done on tax take by the treasury you would have thought someone in the Governemnt negotiating this oven ready deal would know the loss of tax revenue before backing Brexit? Or is it a finger in the air guess?? Again Boris doesn’t do detail !! How many more lost billions on this !! Its a joke to see how we are being governed. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! Crazy, and from that I take it we also don't know then if they were all registered and working or what they were doing, maybe just visiting family and friends. Surely if you want to work out how many workers you have you would do it through the tax and national insurance services, surveys on how long you might stay here doesn't tell you very much about the effect on the economy or job market at all. Turns out the all seemed to have registered for NI but ONS missed that little titbit. If you know you tax total average is figure a based on total revenue divided by population of EU workers then the figure is out by 1.5 - 2 million your calculations on its effect are flawed by default . Not taking even the lower 1.5 million workers tax contribution as a loss is a big number to get wrong! It’s tens of Billions and that’s not taking into account what they all would buy here. Bet it’s at least twice what was on the side of that bus! Oh dear Looks like pensioners have got another bit of paying tax to do. Rishi is going to tip them upside down for some more coin. He’s still got to pay off the PPE to his offshore mates. The Office for National Statistics is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority, a non-ministerial department which reports directly to the UK Parliament.So another fuckup by civil servants then and not the government as originally stated.
Government used the ONS figures rather than their own NI figures so they are not at fault??
Interesting view .
Seeing as all calculations would have been done on tax take by the treasury you would have thought someone in the Governemnt negotiating this oven ready deal would know the loss of tax revenue before backing Brexit?
Or is it a finger in the air guess??
Again Boris doesn’t do detail !!
How many more lost billions on this !! Its a joke to see how we are being governed.
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! Crazy, and from that I take it we also don't know then if they were all registered and working or what they were doing, maybe just visiting family and friends. Surely if you want to work out how many workers you have you would do it through the tax and national insurance services, surveys on how long you might stay here doesn't tell you very much about the effect on the economy or job market at all. Turns out the all seemed to have registered for NI but ONS missed that little titbit. If you know you tax total average is figure a based on total revenue divided by population of EU workers then the figure is out by 1.5 - 2 million your calculations on its effect are flawed by default . Not taking even the lower 1.5 million workers tax contribution as a loss is a big number to get wrong! It’s tens of Billions and that’s not taking into account what they all would buy here. Bet it’s at least twice what was on the side of that bus! Oh dear Looks like pensioners have got another bit of paying tax to do. Rishi is going to tip them upside down for some more coin. He’s still got to pay off the PPE to his offshore mates. The Office for National Statistics is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority, a non-ministerial department which reports directly to the UK Parliament.So another fuckup by civil servants then and not the government as originally stated.
Government used the ONS figures rather than their own NI figures so they are not at fault??
Interesting view .
Seeing as all calculations would have been done on tax take by the treasury you would have thought someone in the Governemnt negotiating this oven ready deal would know the loss of tax revenue before backing Brexit?
Or is it a finger in the air guess??
Again Boris doesn’t do detail !!
How many more lost billions on this !! Its a joke to see how we are being governed.
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that." First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The BBC Turns out the ONS took their figures from surveys at arrival points asking how many months the arrival was planning to stay rather than looking at NI registrations. The discrepancy has come to light because if the applications to stay exceed the risk of what they thought was the number snd the 1.2m thought to have left already combined. So our economic forecasts over the damage fall way short of worse case if they have used ONS stats . Good eh!! Crazy, and from that I take it we also don't know then if they were all registered and working or what they were doing, maybe just visiting family and friends. Surely if you want to work out how many workers you have you would do it through the tax and national insurance services, surveys on how long you might stay here doesn't tell you very much about the effect on the economy or job market at all. Turns out the all seemed to have registered for NI but ONS missed that little titbit. If you know you tax total average is figure a based on total revenue divided by population of EU workers then the figure is out by 1.5 - 2 million your calculations on its effect are flawed by default . Not taking even the lower 1.5 million workers tax contribution as a loss is a big number to get wrong! It’s tens of Billions and that’s not taking into account what they all would buy here. Bet it’s at least twice what was on the side of that bus! Oh dear Looks like pensioners have got another bit of paying tax to do. Rishi is going to tip them upside down for some more coin. He’s still got to pay off the PPE to his offshore mates. The Office for National Statistics is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority, a non-ministerial department which reports directly to the UK Parliament.So another fuckup by civil servants then and not the government as originally stated.
Government used the ONS figures rather than their own NI figures so they are not at fault??
Interesting view .
Seeing as all calculations would have been done on tax take by the treasury you would have thought someone in the Governemnt negotiating this oven ready deal would know the loss of tax revenue before backing Brexit?
Or is it a finger in the air guess??
Again Boris doesn’t do detail !!
How many more lost billions on this !! Its a joke to see how we are being governed.
"It seems that 5.6 million have applied for settled status in the uk already (which tells me they would rather live here than in the eu), when the official estimate was 3.7 in march 2019 so that doesnt seem like a tax loss to me more of a tax gain. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples" When I read that post I took it as inflation up 0·1% as quoted. In other words its increased by 0·1% from 2%. Hope they clarify | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples When I read that post I took it as inflation up 0·1% as quoted. In other words its increased by 0·1% from 2%. Hope they clarify" Thanks That’s exactly what I said. Up 0.1%. From 1.9%. I’m sure an apology is incoming. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples" if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here " Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving " Be interesting to see how the for/against opinion polls amongst the young in Europe now swing considering their best job options in the UK have become more limited. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving Be interesting to see how the for/against opinion polls amongst the young in Europe now swing considering their best job options in the UK have become more limited." For and against what? | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving " lol so there’s not a400 thousand backlog of ppl from the eu trying to register before the deadline ? | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving lol so there’s not a400 thousand backlog of ppl from the eu trying to register before the deadline ? " That are already here? | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving Be interesting to see how the for/against opinion polls amongst the young in Europe now swing considering their best job options in the UK have become more limited. For and against what? " For and against Brussels and EU membership | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving Be interesting to see how the for/against opinion polls amongst the young in Europe now swing considering their best job options in the UK have become more limited. For and against what? For and against Brussels and EU membership " How will that help then get a job in the UK? | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving lol so there’s not a400 thousand backlog of ppl from the eu trying to register before the deadline ? That are already here? " yes and scrambling to get applications in before the deadline and they have come from somewhere lol you said more ppl leaving than comeing here is that a fact I’m not to sure ? | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving lol so there’s not a400 thousand backlog of ppl from the eu trying to register before the deadline ? That are already here? yes and scrambling to get applications in before the deadline and they have come from somewhere lol you said more ppl leaving than comeing here is that a fact I’m not to sure ?" If more people are coming than leaving what is the point of ending freedom of movement? According to the OP there are 2 million people from the EU unaccounted for, will they all stay? | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving Be interesting to see how the for/against opinion polls amongst the young in Europe now swing considering their best job options in the UK have become more limited. For and against what? For and against Brussels and EU membership How will that help then get a job in the UK? " It won’t They will have to start questioning their own governments as to where the EU jobs are, and how come the youngsters of Britain are doing so well now they are outside of the EU. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who wants to come here? More People are leaving than arriving Be interesting to see how the for/against opinion polls amongst the young in Europe now swing considering their best job options in the UK have become more limited. For and against what? For and against Brussels and EU membership How will that help then get a job in the UK? It won’t They will have to start questioning their own governments as to where the EU jobs are, and how come the youngsters of Britain are doing so well now they are outside of the EU." What has that got to do with them getting jobs in the UK? And how will leaving the EU help them get jobs? | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here " Who is coming here? And who said the U.K. is so bad? For Iraqi’s and Afghans fleeing wars and arriving with nothing… Well-being by comparison the U.K. is a good place, The U.K. is a good place and always has been in my lifetime through both Labour and Conservative Governments. What is different however is the direction that people want to take the country and if that will provide for a better society and a fairer and more just place to live. This thread was about the celebration of massive pay rises without a thought from the historical context of what usually follows. That’s all. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples if the U.K. is so bad then why do so many want to come here it’s a simple question we are out the eu but ppl still want to come here Who is coming here? And who said the U.K. is so bad? For Iraqi’s and Afghans fleeing wars and arriving with nothing… Well-being by comparison the U.K. is a good place, The U.K. is a good place and always has been in my lifetime through both Labour and Conservative Governments. What is different however is the direction that people want to take the country and if that will provide for a better society and a fairer and more just place to live. This thread was about the celebration of massive pay rises without a thought from the historical context of what usually follows. That’s all." More people with more money means (some) inflation. Less people with less money equals recession. The first option is better. I don't even need to consult with a Professor on that one. | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” Actions and reactions Actions and consequences Volatility v Stability Inflationary triggers Long term implications ……. This exactly Chris is right wages will go up then prices will go up even further to pay for wage rises we will export even less as our good too pricey and so further tax take will be needed to improve debt situation. Then more on wages to offset tax take then prices up again then job losses due to everything not selling as too expensive . Wages go down and back to poor man of Europe we go. Wages cannot be allowed to get too high too quickly. We have too much debt. Let’s double check… Inflation up 0.1% Wages up 9% Only professional miserabilists could have a problem with that. First up, inflation is now at 2.1% - not 0.1% That said... Ripples - ask your economist professor friends about ripples and how long cause and effect takes to be picked up by economic indicators. For example, fuel has increased by 20% year on year - why is all of that not reflected in today's inflation figure of 2.1%? I say again.... Ripples" Incidentally, I didn't pick you up on this at the time because I'd already won the argument, but petrol pump prices were 135p for most of 2013, went down to 100p at the start of 2016, and is now back up to 130p. Nonsensical claims simply won't get past my forensic analysis. | |||
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"Wages are now going up strongly and that is about to accelerate. Good news for workers. Bad news for Remain campaigners who have relied on over-supply of labour to undermine wage rates. This is exactly what Leave campaigners forecast. " Be careful what you wish for and hope it doesn’t get to high. Inflation will lead to higher interest rates which affect loans and mortgages for personal and business users. Only people who win then are the foreign based investors who will buy into a strong pound. A good friend of mine made a lot of money repossessing houses when people defaulted on their mortgages the last time inflation got out of hand. The BOE can use more tools than just interest rates to sort it but with our debt levels in the stratosphere it’s not that easy. Let’s see if 1.2 m EU workers going home is going to help or just make businesses fold as they can’t keep up with limited labour. 20% of our workers were EU citizens before Brexit Big numbers to play games with. | |||
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"Wages are now going up strongly and that is about to accelerate. Good news for workers. Bad news for Remain campaigners who have relied on over-supply of labour to undermine wage rates. This is exactly what Leave campaigners forecast. Be careful what you wish for and hope it doesn’t get to high. Inflation will lead to higher interest rates which affect loans and mortgages for personal and business users. Only people who win then are the foreign based investors who will buy into a strong pound. A good friend of mine made a lot of money repossessing houses when people defaulted on their mortgages the last time inflation got out of hand. The BOE can use more tools than just interest rates to sort it but with our debt levels in the stratosphere it’s not that easy. Let’s see if 1.2 m EU workers going home is going to help or just make businesses fold as they can’t keep up with limited labour. 20% of our workers were EU citizens before Brexit Big numbers to play games with. " First thing the BoE will do, is to taper down the covid QE. I can't see an interest rate rise for another 6 months. | |||
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"Wages are now going up strongly and that is about to accelerate. Good news for workers. Bad news for Remain campaigners who have relied on over-supply of labour to undermine wage rates. This is exactly what Leave campaigners forecast. Be careful what you wish for and hope it doesn’t get to high. Inflation will lead to higher interest rates which affect loans and mortgages for personal and business users. Only people who win then are the foreign based investors who will buy into a strong pound. A good friend of mine made a lot of money repossessing houses when people defaulted on their mortgages the last time inflation got out of hand. The BOE can use more tools than just interest rates to sort it but with our debt levels in the stratosphere it’s not that easy. Let’s see if 1.2 m EU workers going home is going to help or just make businesses fold as they can’t keep up with limited labour. 20% of our workers were EU citizens before Brexit Big numbers to play games with. " where the 20% eu workers based in the U.K. ? And how many of them jobs have you filled now ? | |||
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"Focychick... it's simply supply and demand. Pay goes up when labour is in short supply; it goes down when there is a surplus of labour. The EU handed the advantage to the employer s who took advantage. Brexit will now tighten the labour market to the advantage of workers: pay will increase until positions are filled" How will they fill all these positions? | |||
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"Focychick... it's simply supply and demand. Pay goes up when labour is in short supply; it goes down when there is a surplus of labour. The EU handed the advantage to the employer s who took advantage. Brexit will now tighten the labour market to the advantage of workers: pay will increase until positions are filled" I agree and it’s good news I’d of thought more ppl be happier | |||
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"They fill all the positions by increasing pay up to the point at which they are sufficiently attractive to workers. This is VERY basic economics which anyone who has ever asked a boss for a pay rise will understand" So, there are enough available unemployed workers in the UK to fill all these positions ? | |||
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"Can I still get a cheap car wash? " How much do you usually pay?? | |||
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"Can I still get a cheap car wash? How much do you usually pay??" £6 for a hand job. | |||
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"Can I still get a cheap car wash? How much do you usually pay?? £6 for a hand job." Happy ending? | |||
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"Focychick... it's simply supply and demand. Pay goes up when labour is in short supply; it goes down when there is a surplus of labour. The EU handed the advantage to the employer s who took advantage. Brexit will now tighten the labour market to the advantage of workers: pay will increase until positions are filled"  | |||
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"Out of curiosity do workers still have the same rights as when we were in the eu?" We can have more rights, we can have less rights. It is now up to UK voters...we no longer have to do what the EU says | |||
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"Out of curiosity do workers still have the same rights as when we were in the eu? We can have more rights, we can have less rights. It is now up to UK voters...we no longer have to do what the EU says" Do we have more rights? | |||
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"Can I still get a cheap car wash? How much do you usually pay?? £6 for a hand job." your being done mate only a fiver here. | |||
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"There has been too much downward pressure on wages for far too long. An over-supply of labour means employers can hold wages down. An under-supply means workers can force wages up. The EU made 465m workers available...and employers took advantage. It's good to see supply and demand working for the workers at last" I agree with the sentiment we have a massive gap between rich and poor or even rich and middle earners . It’s totally unbalanced or fair. How can a CEO earn over a hundred times his average employee’s salary . | |||
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"Wages are now going up strongly and that is about to accelerate. Good news for workers. Bad news for Remain campaigners who have relied on over-supply of labour to undermine wage rates. This is exactly what Leave campaigners forecast. Be careful what you wish for and hope it doesn’t get to high. Inflation will lead to higher interest rates which affect loans and mortgages for personal and business users. Only people who win then are the foreign based investors who will buy into a strong pound. A good friend of mine made a lot of money repossessing houses when people defaulted on their mortgages the last time inflation got out of hand. The BOE can use more tools than just interest rates to sort it but with our debt levels in the stratosphere it’s not that easy. Let’s see if 1.2 m EU workers going home is going to help or just make businesses fold as they can’t keep up with limited labour. 20% of our workers were EU citizens before Brexit Big numbers to play games with. where the 20% eu workers based in the U.K. ? And how many of them jobs have you filled now ?" Number of employees in U.K. around 26 million with 4.5 million self employed . You do the maths . | |||
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"Wages are now going up strongly and that is about to accelerate. Good news for workers. Bad news for Remain campaigners who have relied on over-supply of labour to undermine wage rates. This is exactly what Leave campaigners forecast. Be careful what you wish for and hope it doesn’t get to high. Inflation will lead to higher interest rates which affect loans and mortgages for personal and business users. Only people who win then are the foreign based investors who will buy into a strong pound. A good friend of mine made a lot of money repossessing houses when people defaulted on their mortgages the last time inflation got out of hand. The BOE can use more tools than just interest rates to sort it but with our debt levels in the stratosphere it’s not that easy. Let’s see if 1.2 m EU workers going home is going to help or just make businesses fold as they can’t keep up with limited labour. 20% of our workers were EU citizens before Brexit Big numbers to play games with. where the 20% eu workers based in the U.K. ? And how many of them jobs have you filled now ? Number of employees in U.K. around 26 million with 4.5 million self employed . You do the maths . " was just a simple question lol | |||
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"Wages are now going up strongly and that is about to accelerate. Good news for workers. Bad news for Remain campaigners who have relied on over-supply of labour to undermine wage rates. This is exactly what Leave campaigners forecast. Be careful what you wish for and hope it doesn’t get to high. Inflation will lead to higher interest rates which affect loans and mortgages for personal and business users. Only people who win then are the foreign based investors who will buy into a strong pound. A good friend of mine made a lot of money repossessing houses when people defaulted on their mortgages the last time inflation got out of hand. The BOE can use more tools than just interest rates to sort it but with our debt levels in the stratosphere it’s not that easy. Let’s see if 1.2 m EU workers going home is going to help or just make businesses fold as they can’t keep up with limited labour. 20% of our workers were EU citizens before Brexit Big numbers to play games with. where the 20% eu workers based in the U.K. ? And how many of them jobs have you filled now ? Number of employees in U.K. around 26 million with 4.5 million self employed . You do the maths . was just a simple question lol" Yes I was a bit terse must be the weather  | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour." Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress "lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate "Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks "so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud "They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud
They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, "They will be too busy on their yachts | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud
They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, "fingers crossed for them but I don’t think they will reach the luxury of doctors salary mate lol I mean them hard working 80 hr a week crew lol | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud
They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, fingers crossed for them but I don’t think they will reach the luxury of doctors salary mate lol I mean them hard working 80 hr a week crew lol"It takes 10 years to become a fully qualified doctor. | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud
They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, fingers crossed for them but I don’t think they will reach the luxury of doctors salary mate lol I mean them hard working 80 hr a week crew lol
It takes 10 years to become a fully qualified doctor. "and what’s your point ? | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud
They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, fingers crossed for them but I don’t think they will reach the luxury of doctors salary mate lol I mean them hard working 80 hr a week crew lol
It takes 10 years to become a fully qualified doctor. and what’s your point ?"I have just made it | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud
They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, fingers crossed for them but I don’t think they will reach the luxury of doctors salary mate lol I mean them hard working 80 hr a week crew lol
It takes 10 years to become a fully qualified doctor. and what’s your point ?
I have just made it "eh it was you who said doctors be switching jobs to cleaners now yr saying it takes ten years to be a doctor I fail to see yr point mate lol | |||
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"It is incredibly revealing that it turns out that there were 5.5m EU citizens within the UK. The Remained always claimed that there were equal numbers of UK citizens in the EU as vice versa. About 2.75m I think, from memory, was the claim. Worry not, they said...the numbers and costs are about equal. We now find out that there were fewer UK citizens in the EU than Remainers claimed...and millions more EU citizens in the UK. Yet another Remainer lie" In a few years we may catch up with the bullshit span by leave.  | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud
They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, fingers crossed for them but I don’t think they will reach the luxury of doctors salary mate lol I mean them hard working 80 hr a week crew lol
It takes 10 years to become a fully qualified doctor. and what’s your point ?
I have just made it eh it was you who said doctors be switching jobs to cleaners now yr saying it takes ten years to be a doctor I fail to see yr point mate lol"You said that cleaners work harder than doctors, I was pointing out that isn’t always the case, | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing "Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies? | |||
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"Using that logic low demand job like cleaners would be offering about a ton an hour. Doctors will be leaving their current jobs to become waiters and cleaner, less stress lmao ye less stress but I doubt any would have the stamina mate
Some doctors work 70-80 hour weeks so do some cleaners and waiters on there feet not on there arse it’s a big difference bud
They won’t have to work such long hours now their wages are going up, fingers crossed for them but I don’t think they will reach the luxury of doctors salary mate lol I mean them hard working 80 hr a week crew lol
It takes 10 years to become a fully qualified doctor. and what’s your point ?
I have just made it eh it was you who said doctors be switching jobs to cleaners now yr saying it takes ten years to be a doctor I fail to see yr point mate lol
You said that cleaners work harder than doctors, I was pointing out that isn’t always the case,"i said the doctors wouldn’t have the stamina you said some work 80 hrs I said same for some cleaners I think you have doctors on a pedestal and cleaners on the floor tbh | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing
Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies? "This is extremely basic supply and demand: wages will rise to the level at which they are sufficiently good to attract the necessary quantity and quality of workers This is ALWAYS incredibly good for working-class people who get better wages AND suffer less abuse. As Brexiteers have always known. It's why the wealthy, employers, predominantly funded the Remain campaign | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing "Link? | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing
Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies?
This is extremely basic supply and demand: wages will rise to the level at which they are sufficiently good to attract the necessary quantity and quality of workers
This is ALWAYS incredibly good for working-class people who get better wages AND suffer less abuse.
As Brexiteers have always known. It's why the wealthy, employers, predominantly funded the Remain campaign"Are you just making this up now? Who funded the leave campaign? The homeless? | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost"
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"It is incredibly revealing that it turns out that there were 5.5m EU citizens within the UK. The Remained always claimed that there were equal numbers of UK citizens in the EU as vice versa. About 2.75m I think, from memory, was the claim. Worry not, they said...the numbers and costs are about equal. We now find out that there were fewer UK citizens in the EU than Remainers claimed...and millions more EU citizens in the UK. Yet another Remainer lie" They also said they contribute more in tax than they cost so it will be a bigger number than thought . Aren’t they good supporting us! | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost
Course I will."Let me know what you find. It's all actually more important than many Remainers think because Labour set itself on the course of backing the employers instead of the workers. A historic betrayal that has set Labour on the path to oblivion. And still the Remainers sneer. | |||
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"The government will want inflation at this time of record borrowing. Inflation at a rate higher than government debts interest means the debt is defacto reduced." Erm I think government borrow costs increase if interest rates increase. We borrow money off investors and they will say base rate plus thanks or at least be charging more . | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost" You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost
Course I will.
Let me know what you find.
It's all actually more important than many Remainers think because Labour set itself on the course of backing the employers instead of the workers.
A historic betrayal that has set Labour on the path to oblivion.
And still the Remainers sneer. "So just to clarify.. the likes of boris johnson,Jacob Reece mogg,the right of the conservative party and the likes of the mail pushed for leave so the lowest paid could be better paid? Have I got that right?
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . " Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote" Remain spent 19m..leave 13m..I know maths isnt my strong point but I never knew 2 x 13 was 19. | |||
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"Mr Hutz...yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg would have understood how supply and demand would increase wages. He still supported it. Unlike the Labour Party which opposes working people doing well. A tight labour market is the best protection that workers ever have. How 'protected' do you think workers are in countries where unemployment is 20%?" I think I'm just going to give up asking questions | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote" When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. | |||
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"Mr Hutz...yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg would have understood how supply and demand would increase wages. He still supported it. Unlike the Labour Party which opposes working people doing well. A tight labour market is the best protection that workers ever have. How 'protected' do you think workers are in countries where unemployment is 20%?" but moved his business to Ireland so didn’t do much to protect workers or pay tax in the U.K. ?? | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. " so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ?" I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. " well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol | |||
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"Higher wages don't necessarily mean higher prices...prices are set by the confluence of supply and demand. If prices go up too much then demand drops...and prices and costs adjust downwards again. The alternative...the Remain way...is to ship in ever more Labour from abroad and add more and more downward pressure to UK wages. The Labour Party is now an employer's party" Higher prices are inevitable . Who pays for the extra cost? The EU gave us cheap distribution to a huge customer base for free . It’s bloody expensive now compared to our competitors on the continent. It’s not public yet but industry is starting to move on increases across the board . Tesco not getting trucks no matter what they pay tells you there is a problem. That isn’t just about low wages . It’s not supply and demand it’s a shortage that will drive some out of business. | |||
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"Higher wages don't necessarily mean higher prices...prices are set by the confluence of supply and demand. If prices go up too much then demand drops...and prices and costs adjust downwards again. The alternative...the Remain way...is to ship in ever more Labour from abroad and add more and more downward pressure to UK wages. The Labour Party is now an employer's party Higher prices are inevitable . Who pays for the extra cost? The EU gave us cheap distribution to a huge customer base for free . It’s bloody expensive now compared to our competitors on the continent. It’s not public yet but industry is starting to move on increases across the board . Tesco not getting trucks no matter what they pay tells you there is a problem. That isn’t just about low wages . It’s not supply and demand it’s a shortage that will drive some out of business. " all prices rise mate always have always will it’s just the speed of it that may hurt people but I do know low wages isn’t the answer | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol" For the record we pay well over our competitors rates and get good workers for our trouble. Result we get good productivity resulting in better profit and can therefore afford to take some increases . Companies who work on low rates and low margins have nowhere to go. Just like the government will be saying .. sorry there’s no money in the pot! So strike as much as you like we ain’t got it. | |||
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"Higher wages don't necessarily mean higher prices...prices are set by the confluence of supply and demand. If prices go up too much then demand drops...and prices and costs adjust downwards again. The alternative...the Remain way...is to ship in ever more Labour from abroad and add more and more downward pressure to UK wages. The Labour Party is now an employer's party Higher prices are inevitable . Who pays for the extra cost? The EU gave us cheap distribution to a huge customer base for free . It’s bloody expensive now compared to our competitors on the continent. It’s not public yet but industry is starting to move on increases across the board . Tesco not getting trucks no matter what they pay tells you there is a problem. That isn’t just about low wages . It’s not supply and demand it’s a shortage that will drive some out of business. all prices rise mate always have always will it’s just the speed of it that may hurt people but I do know low wages isn’t the answer " Higher interest will hurt the lower paid as mortgages are a bigger percentage of income . That’s why it not good to let inflation get a grip. I’m all for levelling up pay accross the board as it’s a nation of have and have nots right now . The rich elite are pissing themselves at us lot, as we work and are happy with a few extra pounds a week extra and all the while hey benefit from no tax. The level of the living wage is a joke when you see non domiciles keeping all their cash. Tell me why if you’re done for speeding you pay up to 75% of your weekly income in fines up to a cap £2000 . That means a footballer or banker earning £100 a week pay 2% . Why is it capped ?? It should hurt all equally . Just keep Vito g for them and you will keep getting your crumbs from the table . | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol For the record we pay well over our competitors rates and get good workers for our trouble. Result we get good productivity resulting in better profit and can therefore afford to take some increases . Companies who work on low rates and low margins have nowhere to go. Just like the government will be saying .. sorry there’s no money in the pot! So strike as much as you like we ain’t got it. " tsorry there’s no money in the pot was labour wasn’t it | |||
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"Higher wages don't necessarily mean higher prices...prices are set by the confluence of supply and demand. If prices go up too much then demand drops...and prices and costs adjust downwards again. The alternative...the Remain way...is to ship in ever more Labour from abroad and add more and more downward pressure to UK wages. The Labour Party is now an employer's party Higher prices are inevitable . Who pays for the extra cost? The EU gave us cheap distribution to a huge customer base for free . It’s bloody expensive now compared to our competitors on the continent. It’s not public yet but industry is starting to move on increases across the board . Tesco not getting trucks no matter what they pay tells you there is a problem. That isn’t just about low wages . It’s not supply and demand it’s a shortage that will drive some out of business. all prices rise mate always have always will it’s just the speed of it that may hurt people but I do know low wages isn’t the answer Higher interest will hurt the lower paid as mortgages are a bigger percentage of income . That’s why it not good to let inflation get a grip. I’m all for levelling up pay accross the board as it’s a nation of have and have nots right now . The rich elite are pissing themselves at us lot, as we work and are happy with a few extra pounds a week extra and all the while hey benefit from no tax. The level of the living wage is a joke when you see non domiciles keeping all their cash. Tell me why if you’re done for speeding you pay up to 75% of your weekly income in fines up to a cap £2000 . That means a footballer or banker earning £100 a week pay 2% . Why is it capped ?? It should hurt all equally . Just keep Vito g for them and you will keep getting your crumbs from the table . " do t have to tell me it’s a joke fuck knows who come up with non Dom’s it’s border line criminal if labour want back in they should be screaming about doing away with it | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol For the record we pay well over our competitors rates and get good workers for our trouble. Result we get good productivity resulting in better profit and can therefore afford to take some increases . Companies who work on low rates and low margins have nowhere to go. Just like the government will be saying .. sorry there’s no money in the pot! So strike as much as you like we ain’t got it. tsorry there’s no money in the pot was labour wasn’t it " Yep when they have to bail out those cunts who caused the crash in the 1st place. | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol For the record we pay well over our competitors rates and get good workers for our trouble. Result we get good productivity resulting in better profit and can therefore afford to take some increases . Companies who work on low rates and low margins have nowhere to go. Just like the government will be saying .. sorry there’s no money in the pot! So strike as much as you like we ain’t got it. tsorry there’s no money in the pot was labour wasn’t it Yep when they have to bail out those cunts who caused the crash in the 1st place." if your talking about the banks Lionel they shouldn’t of bailed them out | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol For the record we pay well over our competitors rates and get good workers for our trouble. Result we get good productivity resulting in better profit and can therefore afford to take some increases . Companies who work on low rates and low margins have nowhere to go. Just like the government will be saying .. sorry there’s no money in the pot! So strike as much as you like we ain’t got it. tsorry there’s no money in the pot was labour wasn’t it Yep when they have to bail out those cunts who caused the crash in the 1st place.if your talking about the banks Lionel they shouldn’t of bailed them out " Personally I'd have let them Go to the wall but they had little choice. | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol For the record we pay well over our competitors rates and get good workers for our trouble. Result we get good productivity resulting in better profit and can therefore afford to take some increases . Companies who work on low rates and low margins have nowhere to go. Just like the government will be saying .. sorry there’s no money in the pot! So strike as much as you like we ain’t got it. tsorry there’s no money in the pot was labour wasn’t it Yep when they have to bail out those cunts who caused the crash in the 1st place.if your talking about the banks Lionel they shouldn’t of bailed them out Personally I'd have let them Go to the wall but they had little choice." they had the same choice as they had with the steel industry and others banks took the piss out the U.K. | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing
Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies?
This is extremely basic supply and demand: wages will rise to the level at which they are sufficiently good to attract the necessary quantity and quality of workers
This is ALWAYS incredibly good for working-class people who get better wages AND suffer less abuse.
As Brexiteers have always known. It's why the wealthy, employers, predominantly funded the Remain campaign"They didn’t, employers can’t keep increasing wages for ever, your living in a fantasy land | |||
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"Out of curiosity do workers still have the same rights as when we were in the eu?" I was curious so I had a look and according to Acas nothing has changed with regards to workers rights since brexit. | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing
Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies?
This is extremely basic supply and demand: wages will rise to the level at which they are sufficiently good to attract the necessary quantity and quality of workers
This is ALWAYS incredibly good for working-class people who get better wages AND suffer less abuse.
As Brexiteers have always known. It's why the wealthy, employers, predominantly funded the Remain campaign
They didn’t, employers can’t keep increasing wages for ever, your living in a fantasy land "who says it’s forever ppl just want a decent wage is t that the least they should except? | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing
Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies?
This is extremely basic supply and demand: wages will rise to the level at which they are sufficiently good to attract the necessary quantity and quality of workers
This is ALWAYS incredibly good for working-class people who get better wages AND suffer less abuse.
As Brexiteers have always known. It's why the wealthy, employers, predominantly funded the Remain campaign
They didn’t, employers can’t keep increasing wages for ever, your living in a fantasy land who says it’s forever ppl just want a decent wage is t that the least they should except?"What is a ‘decent wage’? | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing
Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies?
This is extremely basic supply and demand: wages will rise to the level at which they are sufficiently good to attract the necessary quantity and quality of workers
This is ALWAYS incredibly good for working-class people who get better wages AND suffer less abuse.
As Brexiteers have always known. It's why the wealthy, employers, predominantly funded the Remain campaign
They didn’t, employers can’t keep increasing wages for ever, your living in a fantasy land who says it’s forever ppl just want a decent wage is t that the least they should except?
What is a ‘decent wage’? "it depends on the job mate what do you think a decent wage is then ? | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing
Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies?
This is extremely basic supply and demand: wages will rise to the level at which they are sufficiently good to attract the necessary quantity and quality of workers
This is ALWAYS incredibly good for working-class people who get better wages AND suffer less abuse.
As Brexiteers have always known. It's why the wealthy, employers, predominantly funded the Remain campaign
They didn’t, employers can’t keep increasing wages for ever, your living in a fantasy land who says it’s forever ppl just want a decent wage is t that the least they should except?
What is a ‘decent wage’? it depends on the job mate what do you think a decent wage is then ?"The minimum wage for everyone should be at least £10 an hour and more in expensive cities like London , | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol For the record we pay well over our competitors rates and get good workers for our trouble. Result we get good productivity resulting in better profit and can therefore afford to take some increases . Companies who work on low rates and low margins have nowhere to go. Just like the government will be saying .. sorry there’s no money in the pot! So strike as much as you like we ain’t got it. tsorry there’s no money in the pot was labour wasn’t it Yep when they have to bail out those cunts who caused the crash in the 1st place.if your talking about the banks Lionel they shouldn’t of bailed them out Personally I'd have let them Go to the wall but they had little choice.they had the same choice as they had with the steel industry and others banks took the piss out the U.K. " How many people who had savings in the banks would it have affected? What about people wanting loans/mortgages etc? | |||
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"Cheap. Do your own research. You'll find it within seconds. It was attitudes such as his that made the scales fall from the eyes of many working-class people and ensured that the employer-backed Remain campaign lost You do know the biggest backers of leave we’re major financial investors so ultimately the owners of the large companies . Yes. But the really big money was with Remain because they wanted cheap labour. Remain spent twice as much as Leave. They have kept the huge expenditure up since in their attempt to overturn a democratic vote When you add the money spent by those such as the daily mail owner the numbers pan out the same. One point missing from the discussion . Higher wages means higher costs so higher prices then inflation starts to run. Just tenner how many civil servants are on the governments payroll and how much they are paid. They will want above inflation pay rises to get parity and better terms . Where’s that money coming from if inflation reduces GDP which it tends to do . Lower tax take again means fewer pay more in tax to stay still . On top of which we have two trillion in debt. The government can’t afford pay increases as shown by the 1% for nurses. Like I said be careful what you wish for ! Business is hurting right now so they are not able to stand more contributions or much pain. so what you’ve been saying is you want wages to remain low then ? or am I wrong and your a business owner ? I want wages to go up but not because of a shortage of labour but due to U.K. companies doing well. There’s a huge difference and you need to see that. All the hauliers are telling me they are struggling to get drivers and in Kent average wages are going through the roof risking the viability of hauliers . They are passing on increases if they can but at some point prices in shops rise or business close . It isn’t a simple wages going up is always good. Everyone on here knows I rant about the rich not paying a fair share so I’m not defending low wages as a thing. well your putting up a bloody good argument for low wages mate lol For the record we pay well over our competitors rates and get good workers for our trouble. Result we get good productivity resulting in better profit and can therefore afford to take some increases . Companies who work on low rates and low margins have nowhere to go. Just like the government will be saying .. sorry there’s no money in the pot! So strike as much as you like we ain’t got it. tsorry there’s no money in the pot was labour wasn’t it Yep when they have to bail out those cunts who caused the crash in the 1st place.if your talking about the banks Lionel they shouldn’t of bailed them out Personally I'd have let them Go to the wall but they had little choice." I think a ten year ban on bonus payments would have helped reign them in. Do you ever hear of care workers or factory workers getting a 50% bonus for doing a their job? | |||
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"Actually the chairman of the Remain campaign, Stuart Rose, was incredibly honest. He said Brexit would lead to wages rising...and added that that was a bad thing
Who will fill all these new high paid vacancies?
This is extremely basic supply and demand: wages will rise to the level at which they are sufficiently good to attract the necessary quantity and quality of workers
This is ALWAYS incredibly good for working-class people who get better wages AND suffer less abuse.
As Brexiteers have always known. It's why the wealthy, employers, predominantly funded the Remain campaign
They didn’t, employers can’t keep increasing wages for ever, your living in a fantasy land who says it’s forever ppl just want a decent wage is t that the least they should except?
What is a ‘decent wage’? it depends on the job mate what do you think a decent wage is then ?
The minimum wage for everyone should be at least £10 an hour and more in expensive cities like London , "Glad you're coming round to Brexit policies, a sign of maturity keep it up | |||
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"Sounds like wages, particularly for the lowest paid, will be going up even further then. Great news. “…..wages increasing by nearly 14%. According to data from jobs marketplace Indeed Flex, analysis of pub, bar and restaurant shifts reveals that temps willing to wok at the weekend could benefit most from the rapidly rising wages. Average hourly pay for a weekend shift is now up 9% compared to this time in 2019. Meanwhile weekday pay rates have risen by an average of 5% across the UK, far exceeding the 1.8% rise in the minimum wage between 2019 and 2021. Pay increases vary around the country, with Greater Manchester and Cheshire experiencing the biggest pay hikes. Hourly rates for temporary workers in those areas have risen by 11.15% for weekday hospitality staff, and by 13.87% for weekend workers compared to May 2019.” And?? " You living costs will go through the roof, inflation will be rampant and more homeless. But hey Off shore tax haven still intact...TICK God bless brexit | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us" With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure ." Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction?" BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid." BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction?" Brexiteers said brexit would be better for the UK didnt it ? | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? " Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge'" Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases " Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome  | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome "The ones that show Brexit is better . Unemployment up 0.9 % From 4% . So since Brexit & Covid more People are unemployed . The 2 are inextricably linked . | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked ."Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you. Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report. June 2016 had unemployment at 5%. Are we blaming Brexit or Covid? | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
"You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this "Im noy using dates that suit Im using official dates from you.gov Unemployment rate may 2019 3.8 % https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019 Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ? I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi With how is he paying for that ? Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost . Keep trying I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys shortcomings . Alas it didnt last ! | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this
Im noy using dates that suit
Im using official dates from you.gov
Unemployment rate may 2019
3.8 %
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019
Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ?
I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi
With how is he paying for that ?
Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost .
Keep trying
I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys
shortcomings .
Alas it didnt last !
"You want figures from Brexit yet you use 2019 figures
You couldn't make this shit up | |||
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"https://www.ft.com/content/5bf2aaf5-c3ad-4a9a-9083-feccd8becac6 Report on rise of uk unemployment in the uk "I told you an hour ago it rose to 4.9% in October 2020. Are you actually Lionel? | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this
Im noy using dates that suit
Im using official dates from you.gov
Unemployment rate may 2019
3.8 %
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019
Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ?
I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi
With how is he paying for that ?
Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost .
Keep trying
I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys
shortcomings .
Alas it didnt last !
You want figures from Brexit yet you use 2019 figures
You couldn't make this shit up "Figures in the EU from 3.8 unemployment in the uk as members of the EU . Figures if unemployment up to 4.9 % in the UK after we left the UK Nothing being made up as you say . We were less unemployed in the UK As members of the EU . What are you failing to understand with this simple point ? | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this
Im noy using dates that suit
Im using official dates from you.gov
Unemployment rate may 2019
3.8 %
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019
Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ?
I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi
With how is he paying for that ?
Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost .
Keep trying
I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys
shortcomings .
Alas it didnt last !
You want figures from Brexit yet you use 2019 figures
You couldn't make this shit up
Figures in the EU from 3.8 unemployment
in the uk as members of the EU .
Figures if unemployment up to
4.9 % in the UK after we left the UK
Nothing being made up as you say .
We were less unemployed in the UK
As members of the EU .
What are you failing to understand
with this simple point ?"I fear for you. You can't see your own mistake. You have just shown me a link to a report that says the figure rose to 4.9% whilst still in the club. You must try harder | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this
Im noy using dates that suit
Im using official dates from you.gov
Unemployment rate may 2019
3.8 %
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019
Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ?
I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi
With how is he paying for that ?
Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost .
Keep trying
I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys
shortcomings .
Alas it didnt last !
You want figures from Brexit yet you use 2019 figures
You couldn't make this shit up
Figures in the EU from 3.8 unemployment
in the uk as members of the EU .
Figures if unemployment up to
4.9 % in the UK after we left the UK
Nothing being made up as you say .
We were less unemployed in the UK
As members of the EU .
What are you failing to understand
with this simple point ?
I fear for you. You can't see your own mistake.
You have just shown me a link to a report that says the figure rose to 4.9% whilst still in the club.
You must try harder "It wasnt a mistake
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/20/uk-unemployment-rate-covid-redundancies
This Guardian report from april 2021
Says "Unemployment in the UK fell for a second month in February despite the Covid-19 lockdown, as employers stepped up preparations for the easing of restrictions this spring".
So it must have gone above the 4.9 % after 31st december 2020 .
If its fallen it must have been higher .
Again we'll talk more once furlough ends &
we get a fuller picture of the TRUE UNEMPLOYMENT rate
In the UK after Autumn .
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this
Im noy using dates that suit
Im using official dates from you.gov
Unemployment rate may 2019
3.8 %
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019
Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ?
I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi
With how is he paying for that ?
Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost .
Keep trying
I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys
shortcomings .
Alas it didnt last !
You want figures from Brexit yet you use 2019 figures
You couldn't make this shit up
Figures in the EU from 3.8 unemployment
in the uk as members of the EU .
Figures if unemployment up to
4.9 % in the UK after we left the UK
Nothing being made up as you say .
We were less unemployed in the UK
As members of the EU .
What are you failing to understand
with this simple point ?
I fear for you. You can't see your own mistake.
You have just shown me a link to a report that says the figure rose to 4.9% whilst still in the club.
You must try harder
It wasnt a mistake
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/20/uk-unemployment-rate-covid-redundancies
This Guardian report from april 2021
Says "Unemployment in the UK fell for a second month in February despite the Covid-19 lockdown, as employers stepped up preparations for the easing of restrictions this spring".
So it must have gone above the 4.9 % after 31st december 2020 .
If its fallen it must have been higher .
Again we'll talk more once furlough ends &
we get a fuller picture of the TRUE UNEMPLOYMENT rate
In the UK after Autumn .
"'For a second month in February' Which means they also fell in January. Do you need help with this really really difficult equation? | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this
Im noy using dates that suit
Im using official dates from you.gov
Unemployment rate may 2019
3.8 %
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019
Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ?
I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi
With how is he paying for that ?
Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost .
Keep trying
I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys
shortcomings .
Alas it didnt last !
You want figures from Brexit yet you use 2019 figures
You couldn't make this shit up
Figures in the EU from 3.8 unemployment
in the uk as members of the EU .
Figures if unemployment up to
4.9 % in the UK after we left the UK
Nothing being made up as you say .
We were less unemployed in the UK
As members of the EU .
What are you failing to understand
with this simple point ?
I fear for you. You can't see your own mistake.
You have just shown me a link to a report that says the figure rose to 4.9% whilst still in the club.
You must try harder
It wasnt a mistake
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/20/uk-unemployment-rate-covid-redundancies
This Guardian report from april 2021
Says "Unemployment in the UK fell for a second month in February despite the Covid-19 lockdown, as employers stepped up preparations for the easing of restrictions this spring".
So it must have gone above the 4.9 % after 31st december 2020 .
If its fallen it must have been higher .
Again we'll talk more once furlough ends &
we get a fuller picture of the TRUE UNEMPLOYMENT rate
In the UK after Autumn .
'For a second month in February'
Which means they also fell in January. Do you need help with this really really difficult equation?"Preperations to leave started in 2019 . Approxiamately 7 or 8 months before . You know when we were supposed to leave originally March 28th wasnt it ? But Boris Gove Fox sMoggy & the dup wouldnt agree to tressamaes deal . So technically its purely down to no longer being fully involved in the EU . Do you need more schooling or do you just want to wait until the Autumn to see the new figures ? | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this
Im noy using dates that suit
Im using official dates from you.gov
Unemployment rate may 2019
3.8 %
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019
Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ?
I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi
With how is he paying for that ?
Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost .
Keep trying
I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys
shortcomings .
Alas it didnt last !
You want figures from Brexit yet you use 2019 figures
You couldn't make this shit up
Figures in the EU from 3.8 unemployment
in the uk as members of the EU .
Figures if unemployment up to
4.9 % in the UK after we left the UK
Nothing being made up as you say .
We were less unemployed in the UK
As members of the EU .
What are you failing to understand
with this simple point ?
I fear for you. You can't see your own mistake.
You have just shown me a link to a report that says the figure rose to 4.9% whilst still in the club.
You must try harder
It wasnt a mistake
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/20/uk-unemployment-rate-covid-redundancies
This Guardian report from april 2021
Says "Unemployment in the UK fell for a second month in February despite the Covid-19 lockdown, as employers stepped up preparations for the easing of restrictions this spring".
So it must have gone above the 4.9 % after 31st december 2020 .
If its fallen it must have been higher .
Again we'll talk more once furlough ends &
we get a fuller picture of the TRUE UNEMPLOYMENT rate
In the UK after Autumn .
'For a second month in February'
Which means they also fell in January. Do you need help with this really really difficult equation?
Preperations to leave started in 2019 .
Approxiamately 7 or 8 months before .
You know when we were supposed to leave originally
March 28th wasnt it ?
But Boris Gove Fox sMoggy & the dup wouldnt
agree to tressamaes deal .
So technically its purely down to no longer
being fully involved in the EU .
Do you need more schooling or do you just
want to wait until the Autumn to see the new figures ?"Earlier you argued that we left on 31st December 2020. You wanted figures since then. Now you say that preparations began in 2019. You've already been shown to be wrong that they've risen since the date we actually left. Blame Brexit for it if you like but the fact is that it is now at the same level as it was in Oct 2020. And why are we speaking of Autumn? Because furlough will be finished? Furlough is all to do with Covod and nothing to do with Brexit. It's the same old shit. Get proven wrong, move onto something else | |||
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"Do you understand how prices are set? Brexit is completely neutral Vis a vis inflation. What Brexit does is remove downward pressure on wages. Indeed, wages are already rising despite the negative effects of coronavirus. Wage levels are why employers funded the Remain campaign.. they became addicted to bullying their workers in the EU era Thank God that is behind us With so many people being laid off in the last 18 months Its not suprising companies can invest a little more On far fewer workers . Uk unemployment stands at 4.9 % Up 0.9 % on last years figure . Is that worse than was predicted or correct to prediction? BOE predicted 7.5% and that was without covid. BOE ? They are in charge of Unemployment prediction figures ? Would the OECD suit you better? I don't think anyone is actually 'in charge' Of course nobody is in charge Weve got a Lump of Lard in number 10 & Carrie is doing as she pleases Which figures would you like? BTW, we are 0.7% up on this time last year and level with Oct 2020. Youre welcome
The ones that show Brexit is better .
Unemployment up 0.9 %
From 4% .
So since Brexit & Covid more
People are unemployed .
The 2 are inextricably linked .
Is it a struggle to understand what I said? I'll say it again for you.
Unemployment was up 0.7% to October to 4.9%. It is 4.9% in the latest report.
June 2016 had unemployment at 5%.
Are we blaming Brexit or Covid?
We left the EU on 31st of December 2020 .
Why are you bringing up 2016 ?
Are you struggling to understand politics ?
I thought you had a shot at replacing Tank boy as No 1
Rightie . You have just ended those considerations !
You qont find a report to show you that unemployment has lowered since we actually left the EU. You also won't find one to show you it had risen
It's funny you want to come concentrate on the last 6 months but normally the remainers scream about 2016 (that's when the nations voted). Just goes to show that you'll use whatever dates suit
Is Chris a rightie? If so, it would be impossible for me to replace him as I'm not
If you had been round long enough, you would know this
Im noy using dates that suit
Im using official dates from you.gov
Unemployment rate may 2019
3.8 %
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september2019
Lets talk again when furlough finishes shall we ?
I remember the rightie firm slaughtering corbyn for free wi-fi
With how is he paying for that ?
Maybe some of the £66 billion furlough cost .
Keep trying
I had high hopes for you to replace Tank boys
shortcomings .
Alas it didnt last !
You want figures from Brexit yet you use 2019 figures
You couldn't make this shit up
Figures in the EU from 3.8 unemployment
in the uk as members of the EU .
Figures if unemployment up to
4.9 % in the UK after we left the UK
Nothing being made up as you say .
We were less unemployed in the UK
As members of the EU .
What are you failing to understand
with this simple point ?
I fear for you. You can't see your own mistake.
You have just shown me a link to a report that says the figure rose to 4.9% whilst still in the club.
You must try harder
It wasnt a mistake
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/20/uk-unemployment-rate-covid-redundancies
This Guardian report from april 2021
Says "Unemployment in the UK fell for a second month in February despite the Covid-19 lockdown, as employers stepped up preparations for the easing of restrictions this spring".
So it must have gone above the 4.9 % after 31st december 2020 .
If its fallen it must have been higher .
Again we'll talk more once furlough ends &
we get a fuller picture of the TRUE UNEMPLOYMENT rate
In the UK after Autumn .
'For a second month in February'
Which means they also fell in January. Do you need help with this really really difficult equation?
Preperations to leave started in 2019 .
Approxiamately 7 or 8 months before .
You know when we were supposed to leave originally
March 28th wasnt it ?
But Boris Gove Fox sMoggy & the dup wouldnt
agree to tressamaes deal .
So technically its purely down to no longer
being fully involved in the EU .
Do you need more schooling or do you just
want to wait until the Autumn to see the new figures ?
Earlier you argued that we left on 31st December 2020. You wanted figures since then.
Now you say that preparations began in 2019.
You've already been shown to be wrong that they've risen since the date we actually left.
Blame Brexit for it if you like but the fact is that it is now at the same level as it was in Oct 2020.
And why are we speaking of Autumn? Because furlough will be finished? Furlough is all to do with Covod and nothing to do with Brexit.
It's the same old shit. Get proven wrong, move onto something else "Or toddle off. | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down." Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. " He's gone
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. " He will be back again under another new name soon. | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. He's gone
Don't worry Bangbang is still here no doubt "You noticed too . | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. He's gone
Don't worry Bangbang is still here no doubt You noticed too . "It didn’t take a rocket scientist to spot that one. Even us thick leave voters could work it out | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. He's gone
Don't worry Bangbang is still here no doubt You noticed too .
It didn’t take a rocket scientist to spot that one.
Even us thick leave voters could work it out "we should have a competition to see who,s 1st to spot his new incarnation. my guess it will be the phoenix or Lazarus. | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. He's gone
Don't worry Bangbang is still here no doubt You noticed too .
It didn’t take a rocket scientist to spot that one.
Even us thick leave voters could work it out we should have a competition to see who,s 1st to spot his new incarnation. my guess it will be the phoenix or Lazarus. "Start a book. We've got a fortnight until he can post on a new profile | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. He's gone
Don't worry Bangbang is still here no doubt You noticed too .
It didn’t take a rocket scientist to spot that one.
Even us thick leave voters could work it out we should have a competition to see who,s 1st to spot his new incarnation. my guess it will be the phoenix or Lazarus.
Start a book. We've got a fortnight until he can post on a new profile "No mate i think he has one on standby ready. | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. He's gone
Don't worry Bangbang is still here no doubt You noticed too .
It didn’t take a rocket scientist to spot that one.
Even us thick leave voters could work it out we should have a competition to see who,s 1st to spot his new incarnation. my guess it will be the phoenix or Lazarus.
Start a book. We've got a fortnight until he can post on a new profile No mate i think he has one on standby ready."Well in that case. I look forward to some more interaction soon | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. He's gone
Don't worry Bangbang is still here no doubt You noticed too .
It didn’t take a rocket scientist to spot that one.
Even us thick leave voters could work it out we should have a competition to see who,s 1st to spot his new incarnation. my guess it will be the phoenix or Lazarus.
Start a book. We've got a fortnight until he can post on a new profile No mate i think he has one on standby ready.
Well in that case. I look forward to some more interaction soon "I do find it a bit sad when someone joins a swingers site just to troll the politics section they are obviously not joining to meet people if they keep lying about who they are, after all there are plenty of social media platforms to do that.Maybe they just like being a big poster in a small pool. | |||
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"You people need to stop quoting each others posts It takes about a month too scroll down. Lol I know what you mean but looks like short and shorter has seen him off the site. He's gone
Don't worry Bangbang is still here no doubt You noticed too .
It didn’t take a rocket scientist to spot that one.
Even us thick leave voters could work it out we should have a competition to see who,s 1st to spot his new incarnation. my guess it will be the phoenix or Lazarus.
Start a book. We've got a fortnight until he can post on a new profile No mate i think he has one on standby ready.
Well in that case. I look forward to some more interaction soon I do find it a bit sad when someone joins a swingers site just to troll the politics section they are obviously not joining to meet people if they keep lying about who they are, after all there are plenty of social media platforms to do that.Maybe they just like being a big poster in a small pool. "I didn’t pay much attention to his old profile and even less to his current one | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it?" The missing link is the assumption that these various departments can actually count. Yes, I know that they are all on computer records somewhere, but extracting any accurate information from all those records needs people to write computer programs. And those people have to be told what programs to write by other people. And someone has to check that the programs that are written do the thing that they were asked to do. And half the time the people asking for the programs to be written don't understand what they are actually asking for. Basically, it's pretty amazing that anyone ever gets anything out of a computer that bears any resemblance to what they actually needed (given that what they needed is probably not what they asked for). And if the people asking didn't know what the answer should be, they don't know if the answer they get is right or wrong. Then most of the people doing the real work to make all this happen are lower ranking civil service employees in uninspiring positions, none of them see the big picture, the big picture people don't know anything about the details. And the very top people usually have a biased requirement anyway, if they suspect that reality might not align with their current political posturing, they will shape their requests to give them the answers they want. In politics there is no such thing as truth... So, nothing strange about getting the numbers on something like EU workers wrong by millions... | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The missing link is the assumption that these various departments can actually count. Yes, I know that they are all on computer records somewhere, but extracting any accurate information from all those records needs people to write computer programs. And those people have to be told what programs to write by other people. And someone has to check that the programs that are written do the thing that they were asked to do. And half the time the people asking for the programs to be written don't understand what they are actually asking for. Basically, it's pretty amazing that anyone ever gets anything out of a computer that bears any resemblance to what they actually needed (given that what they needed is probably not what they asked for). And if the people asking didn't know what the answer should be, they don't know if the answer they get is right or wrong. Then most of the people doing the real work to make all this happen are lower ranking civil service employees in uninspiring positions, none of them see the big picture, the big picture people don't know anything about the details. And the very top people usually have a biased requirement anyway, if they suspect that reality might not align with their current political posturing, they will shape their requests to give them the answers they want. In politics there is no such thing as truth... So, nothing strange about getting the numbers on something like EU workers wrong by millions..." What your forgetting is the high amount of personal data contained within peoples records. Therefore its not uncommon for departments not to share information as this could be a breach of GDPR as the data was not being used for what it was originally collected for. Then under GDPR data should only be stored if there is a valid business reason for storing the data. So whats relevant for border force wouldnt be relevent for HMRC or DVLA for instance. | |||
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"So the government’s calculations around the labour market in the U.K. post Brexit looks to be a tad flawed. Turns out we have up to two million workers more than we knew. If they are leaving in larger than estimated numbers too, the labour market is going to get very interesting. Who knew being in the EU was so helpful in growing our economy with all that skilled and hard working labour! Were these two million people paying tax etc then? I am assuming not if they were unaccounted for. Apparently yes but border force immigration and HMRC don’t communicate. Brilliant Ok seems strange though if they were all paying tax etc and hmrc was collecting this that it didn't realise what the number of workers were, I mean surely if you have two million more tax receipts coming in than the number you are expecting then you would soon know something didn't add up and surely hmrc reports direct to the treasury so government should know the correct number too. I can understand border force/ immigration not knowing because if these two million people arrived for work through legitimate channels then there would be no need for border or immigration to be involved. All seems a bit strange to me, where did you find out about it? The missing link is the assumption that these various departments can actually count. Yes, I know that they are all on computer records somewhere, but extracting any accurate information from all those records needs people to write computer programs. And those people have to be told what programs to write by other people. And someone has to check that the programs that are written do the thing that they were asked to do. And half the time the people asking for the programs to be written don't understand what they are actually asking for. Basically, it's pretty amazing that anyone ever gets anything out of a computer that bears any resemblance to what they actually needed (given that what they needed is probably not what they asked for). And if the people asking didn't know what the answer should be, they don't know if the answer they get is right or wrong. Then most of the people doing the real work to make all this happen are lower ranking civil service employees in uninspiring positions, none of them see the big picture, the big picture people don't know anything about the details. And the very top people usually have a biased requirement anyway, if they suspect that reality might not align with their current political posturing, they will shape their requests to give them the answers they want. In politics there is no such thing as truth... So, nothing strange about getting the numbers on something like EU workers wrong by millions... What your forgetting is the high amount of personal data contained within peoples records. Therefore its not uncommon for departments not to share information as this could be a breach of GDPR as the data was not being used for what it was originally collected for. Then under GDPR data should only be stored if there is a valid business reason for storing the data. So whats relevant for border force wouldnt be relevent for HMRC or DVLA for instance. " Yes of course this as well. We have this combination of original data collected over a large span of years, using continually changing collection criteria. Departments not being allowed (for very good reasons) to share original source data, only ever subsets of the information (that has to be extracted using computer programs, so viz my stuff about inaccuracies in even knowing what the programs might be required to do). Information moving round and round, and at every step getting further away from truth. Some departments doing stuff to try to improve the bits they are interested in, probably resulting in stuffing over other bits they aren't interested in. And the people asking questions from the top often not wanting truth anyway, just numbers to support policy they have already decided upon... | |||
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