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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Not entirely a surprise but he is a political heavyweight and wonder if it will change anything?
Here's some more details
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57541836
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More like a has been who is more interested in himself |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Not entirely a surprise but he is a political heavyweight and wonder if it will change anything?
Here's some more details
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57541836
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Does this trigger a by election or does he just transfer over with his constituency |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not entirely a surprise but he is a political heavyweight and wonder if it will change anything?
Here's some more details
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57541836
Does this trigger a by election or does he just transfer over with his constituency"
Not unless Greg Smith Dies .
I dont think anybody is wishing for that |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
I should imagine him joining the labour party will turn even more people away from them i mean its another posh boy joining the party im sure thats gona help win them northern seats back.fact is he has joined labour becausethe torys dont want him |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"He must really really want that peerage ….
Nah! He's after Starmer's job. 
…. and just when you think things can’t get any worse for Labour."
Andy Burnham talking lots of sense on Marr this morning. And with a passion. |
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"He must really really want that peerage ….
Nah! He's after Starmer's job.
…. and just when you think things can’t get any worse for Labour.
Andy Burnham talking lots of sense on Marr this morning. And with a passion. "
Next labour leader. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories."
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories."
Who are the silent majority?
What did he do to thwart Brexit? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right. "
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
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"I should imagine him joining the labour party will turn even more people away from them i mean its another posh boy joining the party im sure thats gona help win them northern seats back.fact is he has joined labour becausethe torys dont want him"
Possibly, Imo he's an experienced and capable politician. The more of them we have in our 650 mp s the better. I dont agree with particularly like the fella but we see what happens when the political virgins take over the asylum. We need coherent policy's held up to robust scrutiny and debate by a strong opposition. The second House is becoming an irrelevance. Bercow is a strong parliamentarian |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
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I don't see how a voter can he right or wrong to be honest.
People tend to vote on what will benefit then.
Millions of people in the last 10 years have thought that cutting every service to the bone and an explosion in food poverty was a spiffing idea and have voted accordingly.
More power to then. |
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"He must really really want that peerage ….
Nah! He's after Starmer's job.
…. and just when you think things can’t get any worse for Labour.
Andy Burnham talking lots of sense on Marr this morning. And with a passion.
Next labour leader."
Can't stand the slippery bloke, but there's no denying he has charisma and a connection with a large section of the population. He's also not afraid to crack a few heads together. I had hoped for starmer but he seems to be milliband2. |
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"He must really really want that peerage ….
Nah! He's after Starmer's job.
…. and just when you think things can’t get any worse for Labour.
Andy Burnham talking lots of sense on Marr this morning. And with a passion.
Next labour leader.
Can't stand the slippery bloke, but there's no denying he has charisma and a connection with a large section of the population. He's also not afraid to crack a few heads together. I had hoped for starmer but he seems to be milliband2. "
Starmer said he was going to unite the party ,instead he is doing his best to drive anything remotely resembling left wing.
Who ever is in charge is going to have a huge problem in uniting the 2 wings of the party who are light years away from each other. |
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"He must really really want that peerage ….
Nah! He's after Starmer's job.
…. and just when you think things can’t get any worse for Labour.
Andy Burnham talking lots of sense on Marr this morning. And with a passion.
Next labour leader.
Can't stand the slippery bloke, but there's no denying he has charisma and a connection with a large section of the population. He's also not afraid to crack a few heads together. I had hoped for starmer but he seems to be milliband2.
Starmer said he was going to unite the party ,instead he is doing his best to drive anything remotely resembling left wing.
Who ever is in charge is going to have a huge problem in uniting the 2 wings of the party who are light years away from each other."
We need a sensible and robust opposition for a healthy thriving democracy... Hope the opposition parties can get their shit together soon as unchallenged and virtually unaccountable leadership is not healthy at all. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
"
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example."
Hitier wasnt in power in 33. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33."
He had a huge paramilitary army, the Brownshirt stormtroopers, The Sturmabteilung (SA; (German: Sturmabteilung):
From Wikipedia:
“By the time Hitler assumed power in January 1933, SA membership had increased to approximately 2,000,000—twenty times as large as the number of troops and officers in the Reichswehr (German Army).[22]“ |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33."
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933."
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example."
Why did he only get 17 million votes then?  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933.
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies "
So Angela Merkel has no power then? |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933.
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies
So Angela Merkel has no power then? "
Yep that's what I said.
The point was that hitler did make people vote for him. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Why did he only get 17 million votes then? "
Because many brave Germans did stand up to him, and many were killed as a result:
“…he rallied his supporters, opponents of the Nazi party, such as the Social Democratic Party, were prevented from campaigning effectively and were even threatened with violence. Hitler's SA officers raided the Social Democratic Party's political events and attacked participants - all while the police looked on passively. Opposition newspapers were destroyed and closed down and in total 69 Germans died as a result of the terror.“
You know, I read a lot, history and shit, I find that stuff fascinating. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Why did he only get 17 million votes then?
Because many brave Germans did stand up to him, and many were killed as a result:
“…he rallied his supporters, opponents of the Nazi party, such as the Social Democratic Party, were prevented from campaigning effectively and were even threatened with violence. Hitler's SA officers raided the Social Democratic Party's political events and attacked participants - all while the police looked on passively. Opposition newspapers were destroyed and closed down and in total 69 Germans died as a result of the terror.“
You know, I read a lot, history and shit, I find that stuff fascinating. "
But that doesn't mean people only voted for him, because he threatened them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Why did he only get 17 million votes then?
Because many brave Germans did stand up to him, and many were killed as a result:
“…he rallied his supporters, opponents of the Nazi party, such as the Social Democratic Party, were prevented from campaigning effectively and were even threatened with violence. Hitler's SA officers raided the Social Democratic Party's political events and attacked participants - all while the police looked on passively. Opposition newspapers were destroyed and closed down and in total 69 Germans died as a result of the terror.“
You know, I read a lot, history and shit, I find that stuff fascinating.
But that doesn't mean people only voted for him, because he threatened them."
Exactly, millions voted for his parties policies |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Why did he only get 17 million votes then?
Because many brave Germans did stand up to him, and many were killed as a result:
“…he rallied his supporters, opponents of the Nazi party, such as the Social Democratic Party, were prevented from campaigning effectively and were even threatened with violence. Hitler's SA officers raided the Social Democratic Party's political events and attacked participants - all while the police looked on passively. Opposition newspapers were destroyed and closed down and in total 69 Germans died as a result of the terror.“
You know, I read a lot, history and shit, I find that stuff fascinating.
But that doesn't mean people only voted for him, because he threatened them.
Exactly, millions voted for his parties policies "
And as the crew on the Right have said
The voters are always Right .
Shocking to think that there crew
Could well have been voters of the Reich
Had he been born here .
Sends a shiver down the spine |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Why did he only get 17 million votes then?
Because many brave Germans did stand up to him, and many were killed as a result:
“…he rallied his supporters, opponents of the Nazi party, such as the Social Democratic Party, were prevented from campaigning effectively and were even threatened with violence. Hitler's SA officers raided the Social Democratic Party's political events and attacked participants - all while the police looked on passively. Opposition newspapers were destroyed and closed down and in total 69 Germans died as a result of the terror.“
You know, I read a lot, history and shit, I find that stuff fascinating.
But that doesn't mean people only voted for him, because he threatened them.
Exactly, millions voted for his parties policies
And as the crew on the Right have said
The voters are always Right .
Shocking to think that there crew
Could well have been voters of the Reich
Had he been born here .
Sends a shiver down the spine "
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
"
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933.
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies "
You do realise the german chancellor is not the same as the uk chancellor |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933.
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies
You do realise the german chancellor is not the same as the uk chancellor "
I’m not at all sure they do
It’s a somewhat unequal conversation |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents "
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap.... |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933.
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies
You do realise the german chancellor is not the same as the uk chancellor
I’m not at all sure they do
It’s a somewhat unequal conversation "
You still havent explained how hitker bullied everyone into voting for him |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap.... "
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks."
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance"
These are simple democratic principles
How do people get so confused? |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933.
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies
You do realise the german chancellor is not the same as the uk chancellor
I’m not at all sure they do
It’s a somewhat unequal conversation
You still havent explained how hitker bullied everyone into voting for him"
Isn't Hitler rise to power well documented in history books? And the fact that people were a) motivated to vote for a party that would break Germany from the shackles of the treaty of vesaille and make Germany once again powerful and b) intimidated by the antics of hitlers supporters who were interfering with the democratic process?
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance"
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933.
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies
You do realise the german chancellor is not the same as the uk chancellor
I’m not at all sure they do
It’s a somewhat unequal conversation
You still havent explained how hitker bullied everyone into voting for him
Isn't Hitler rise to power well documented in history books? And the fact that people were a) motivated to vote for a party that would break Germany from the shackles of the treaty of vesaille and make Germany once again powerful and b) intimidated by the antics of hitlers supporters who were interfering with the democratic process?
Not that it has a busting lot to do with Jon Bercow becoming a Labour party member. "
It is to do with a poster above stating that “the voters are always right.”
Clearly, in this example they were not.
We will see in the coming months and years how right they were to vote to impose barriers on themselves, their fellow countrymen and businesses in this country for a veiled notion of a freedom that they have always had. Less freedom is the new freedom… Seemingly. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
And if you didn’t vote for Hitler you’d have been terrorised out of your house in the middle of the night and your business destroyed. Silly example.
Hitier wasnt in power in 33.
Hitler became Chancellor on January 30th. 1933.
Chancellor.
He wasnt running the country and didnt have the manpower to intimidate millions of people.
People voted for him because they believed in his policies
You do realise the german chancellor is not the same as the uk chancellor
I’m not at all sure they do
It’s a somewhat unequal conversation
You still havent explained how hitker bullied everyone into voting for him
Isn't Hitler rise to power well documented in history books? And the fact that people were a) motivated to vote for a party that would break Germany from the shackles of the treaty of vesaille and make Germany once again powerful and b) intimidated by the antics of hitlers supporters who were interfering with the democratic process?
Not that it has a busting lot to do with Jon Bercow becoming a Labour party member.
It is to do with a poster above stating that “the voters are always right.”
Clearly, in this example they were not.
We will see in the coming months and years how right they were to vote to impose barriers on themselves, their fellow countrymen and businesses in this country for a veiled notion of a freedom that they have always had. Less freedom is the new freedom… Seemingly."
TBf the various Talking heads in hartlepool who believed the local council shut down hospitals and police stations, surely proved the voter is always right. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right."
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority. "
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
Because we have had 6 months of we won/we told you so posts."
Is that not a simple statement of fact though? The fact is we are no longer a full member of the EU. Not sure how that causes you to insult the majority of voters in that referendum and make out they are thick and to say those who voted the other way but were in the minority have intellectual superiority...? I don't see why it's necessary and how it moves us on. We have to find a way to make the best of the situation we are in.
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right."
It’s all just…. So many salty remainer tears |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority. "
You may choose to move on and “learn” from the Brexit mistakes whilst surviving the complete bollocks that people “knew” they were voting for.
Me, I will be saddened by the stream of Brexit related bad news, be appalled at the lying conmen who conned so many and will poke fun relentlessly at the gullible who fell for it.
On the other hand I may end embarrassed at the huge success of a country that races to the bottom in an attempt to take a single step up a ladder. Whilst simultaneously trashing the very people that were conned and who enabled it. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
You may choose to move on and “learn” from the Brexit mistakes whilst surviving the complete bollocks that people “knew” they were voting for.
Me, I will be saddened by the stream of Brexit related bad news, be appalled at the lying conmen who conned so many and will poke fun relentlessly at the gullible who fell for it.
On the other hand I may end embarrassed at the huge success of a country that races to the bottom in an attempt to take a single step up a ladder. Whilst simultaneously trashing the very people that were conned and who enabled it."
And that's you being pragmatic, thoughtful and considered? Oh the irony. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
You may choose to move on and “learn” from the Brexit mistakes whilst surviving the complete bollocks that people “knew” they were voting for.
Me, I will be saddened by the stream of Brexit related bad news, be appalled at the lying conmen who conned so many and will poke fun relentlessly at the gullible who fell for it.
On the other hand I may end embarrassed at the huge success of a country that races to the bottom in an attempt to take a single step up a ladder. Whilst simultaneously trashing the very people that were conned and who enabled it.
And that's you being pragmatic, thoughtful and considered? Oh the irony. "
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
Because we have had 6 months of we won/we told you so posts.
Is that not a simple statement of fact though? The fact is we are no longer a full member of the EU. Not sure how that causes you to insult the majority of voters in that referendum and make out they are thick and to say those who voted the other way but were in the minority have intellectual superiority...? I don't see why it's necessary and how it moves us on. We have to find a way to make the best of the situation we are in.
*replace you with "one" as I'm not suggesting you personally do that. "
Well seeing as we dont know the full effects of Brexit yet I'm.not sure exactly has 'won"
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
Because we have had 6 months of we won/we told you so posts.
Is that not a simple statement of fact though? The fact is we are no longer a full member of the EU. Not sure how that causes you to insult the majority of voters in that referendum and make out they are thick and to say those who voted the other way but were in the minority have intellectual superiority...? I don't see why it's necessary and how it moves us on. We have to find a way to make the best of the situation we are in.
*replace you with "one" as I'm not suggesting you personally do that.
Well seeing as we dont know the full effects of Brexit yet I'm.not sure exactly has 'won"
Didnt stop the gloating though."
That's why I studiously avoided using the word won. And I agree we won't ever know the full effects. We will just be in a different relationship and need to make it work as best we can.
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
Because we have had 6 months of we won/we told you so posts.
Is that not a simple statement of fact though? The fact is we are no longer a full member of the EU. Not sure how that causes you to insult the majority of voters in that referendum and make out they are thick and to say those who voted the other way but were in the minority have intellectual superiority...? I don't see why it's necessary and how it moves us on. We have to find a way to make the best of the situation we are in.
*replace you with "one" as I'm not suggesting you personally do that.
Well seeing as we dont know the full effects of Brexit yet I'm.not sure exactly has 'won"
Didnt stop the gloating though.
That's why I studiously avoided using the word won. And I agree we won't ever know the full effects. We will just be in a different relationship and need to make it work as best we can.
I like passion in any debate. There should be more from our politicians. Passionate debate, then whatever the outcome we need to learn to move on together to achieve a better outcome. And gloating and arrogance doesn't help achieve that. "
I think brexit tote open gaping wounds in this country which which wont vanish overnight.
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
Because we have had 6 months of we won/we told you so posts.
Is that not a simple statement of fact though? The fact is we are no longer a full member of the EU. Not sure how that causes you to insult the majority of voters in that referendum and make out they are thick and to say those who voted the other way but were in the minority have intellectual superiority...? I don't see why it's necessary and how it moves us on. We have to find a way to make the best of the situation we are in.
*replace you with "one" as I'm not suggesting you personally do that.
Well seeing as we dont know the full effects of Brexit yet I'm.not sure exactly has 'won"
Didnt stop the gloating though.
That's why I studiously avoided using the word won. And I agree we won't ever know the full effects. We will just be in a different relationship and need to make it work as best we can.
I like passion in any debate. There should be more from our politicians. Passionate debate, then whatever the outcome we need to learn to move on together to achieve a better outcome. And gloating and arrogance doesn't help achieve that.
I think brexit tote open gaping wounds in this country which which wont vanish overnight.
I guess a cynic would argue that's what they wanted all along."
They won't vanish at all unless effort goes into moving forward together. That comes from all of us and especially from a leadership team... Which I know I'm dreaming... But which should be cross party or even apolitical... With people as an example like rashford, who only wants to do good empowered more, and it's our job to learn how to lose or win an argument and accept the outcome and move on. But many of us seem to have become paralysed in the past when we don't get the outcome we want. |
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
Because we have had 6 months of we won/we told you so posts.
Is that not a simple statement of fact though? The fact is we are no longer a full member of the EU. Not sure how that causes you to insult the majority of voters in that referendum and make out they are thick and to say those who voted the other way but were in the minority have intellectual superiority...? I don't see why it's necessary and how it moves us on. We have to find a way to make the best of the situation we are in.
*replace you with "one" as I'm not suggesting you personally do that.
Well seeing as we dont know the full effects of Brexit yet I'm.not sure exactly has 'won"
Didnt stop the gloating though.
That's why I studiously avoided using the word won. And I agree we won't ever know the full effects. We will just be in a different relationship and need to make it work as best we can.
I like passion in any debate. There should be more from our politicians. Passionate debate, then whatever the outcome we need to learn to move on together to achieve a better outcome. And gloating and arrogance doesn't help achieve that.
I think brexit tote open gaping wounds in this country which which wont vanish overnight.
I guess a cynic would argue that's what they wanted all along.
They won't vanish at all unless effort goes into moving forward together. That comes from all of us and especially from a leadership team... Which I know I'm dreaming... But which should be cross party or even apolitical... With people as an example like rashford, who only wants to do good empowered more, and it's our job to learn how to lose or win an argument and accept the outcome and move on. But many of us seem to have become paralysed in the past when we don't get the outcome we want. "
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
It’s all just…. So many salty remainer tears "
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"Another mistake by labour? Another remainer who did everything in his power to thwart Brexit.
The silent majority have long memories.
Dont forget it's the voters who are wrong not the clever people, the voters just need educating.
Looks like labour havent learnt the simple fact that the voters are always right.
17.3 million people voted in Herr Hitler in an open election in March 1933.
Those voters were wrong to do that unless you agree that destroying your country over the following decade or so was a good thing?
Indeed they did but he didnt win the election hindenburg did, a couple of federal elections left the Hitler's party as the largest and he was then appointed chancellor, when hindenburg died Hitler grabbed power and did away with the president position in effect, that was the last election until after the war, so hitler never won a majority despite the threats to his opponents
From John Bercow to Hitler in one leap....
Tbf I think the point that was contested was that anyone who votes for a party who wins the election, is proved right,which is obviously bollocks.
Voters arent proved right, they have the right to vote for who they want to without being insulted with regards to their education, politics or views on any subject. If people dont like they way others vote then they should improve their argument and debate. Remainers dismissed leave voters as thick old and racist, many of whom where none of the above and had remain produced a better argument for staying the result may have been different. To claim leave voters, the voters in hartlepool or those in last weeks by election are wrong is complete arrogance
As has been said many times. Not all Leave voters were thick, uneducated, racist, intolerant and/or xenophobic. However there is more than a very high likelihood that the vast majority in that charming demographic group would have voted Leave.
Similarly, pragmatic and thoughtful people who considered the economy and relationships with our European neighbours voted to Remain.
Odd now that we have a fractured relationship with the EU, a collapse in our exports to the EU, a shortage of farming, hospitality and driving jobs and to some degree or other most Remainers predicted a level of chaos. Yet the Leavers insist that they knew what they were voting for… Implying that they voted to leave us isolated on the worlds stage, they voted to decimate the business of exporters and voted for trade barriers within our own country.
Voters are not always right.
At what point do you realise the vote was taken and the result honoured and move on? Its how democracy works. Don't need to keep insulting people who you don't agree with or attempting to belittle them. We just have to make the best of where we are and we will do a lot better at that if people work together rather than the strange need to insult people or claiming some kind of intellectual superiority.
Because we have had 6 months of we won/we told you so posts.
Is that not a simple statement of fact though? The fact is we are no longer a full member of the EU. Not sure how that causes you to insult the majority of voters in that referendum and make out they are thick and to say those who voted the other way but were in the minority have intellectual superiority...? I don't see why it's necessary and how it moves us on. We have to find a way to make the best of the situation we are in.
*replace you with "one" as I'm not suggesting you personally do that.
Well seeing as we dont know the full effects of Brexit yet I'm.not sure exactly has 'won"
Didnt stop the gloating though.
That's why I studiously avoided using the word won. And I agree we won't ever know the full effects. We will just be in a different relationship and need to make it work as best we can.
I like passion in any debate. There should be more from our politicians. Passionate debate, then whatever the outcome we need to learn to move on together to achieve a better outcome. And gloating and arrogance doesn't help achieve that.
I think brexit tote open gaping wounds in this country which which wont vanish overnight.
I guess a cynic would argue that's what they wanted all along.
They won't vanish at all unless effort goes into moving forward together. That comes from all of us and especially from a leadership team... Which I know I'm dreaming... But which should be cross party or even apolitical... With people as an example like rashford, who only wants to do good empowered more, and it's our job to learn how to lose or win an argument and accept the outcome and move on. But many of us seem to have become paralysed in the past when we don't get the outcome we want.
Do you think,hypothetically speaking, if Brexit goes tits up,the people responsible will hold their hands up?"
Hold their hands up to what exactly ? And who will be responsible for it not working? I'm kind of lost by the question. Brexit is done... As such it has worked. Its now up to all of us to make the best of it we can. What will be the measure of "if it works" or "if it doesn't work".. Who will measure it? Does the EU have any responsibility? Other global entities? How long do you want to take the debate back...? Maastricht? Corbyn? Cameron? I think it's certainly worth a 10 year review of what's working well and what's not working well but beyond that I can see how you would identify success or failure and who would be responsible.
There is no upside in having the arguments all over again. They've been had... A decision was taken.. We must move on as best we can. |
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But it's not a case of it's done now..its over.
All of us are going to have to live with the consequences as will the younger generations.
And if in 5 years time it turns out to be an utter shit show..we just forget what happened?who drove it?
That's what I was saying before.
Brexit opened up huge wounds in this country, and they are just not going to heal overnight.
That was the argument that johnson rammed down peoples throats..let's get Brexit done and fuckwits actually believed it was that simple.
I think the repercussions of this are still going to be felt 5/10 years down the line.
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"But it's not a case of it's done now..its over.
All of us are going to have to live with the consequences as will the younger generations.
And if in 5 years time it turns out to be an utter shit show..we just forget what happened?who drove it?
That's what I was saying before.
Brexit opened up huge wounds in this country, and they are just not going to heal overnight.
That was the argument that johnson rammed down peoples throats..let's get Brexit done and fuckwits actually believed it was that simple.
I think the repercussions of this are still going to be felt 5/10 years down the line.
"
No one person drove it. It’s been an active debate involving thousands of politicians and others for decades.
The public considered the options and voted. |
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"But it's not a case of it's done now..its over.
All of us are going to have to live with the consequences as will the younger generations.
And if in 5 years time it turns out to be an utter shit show..we just forget what happened?who drove it?
That's what I was saying before.
Brexit opened up huge wounds in this country, and they are just not going to heal overnight.
That was the argument that johnson rammed down peoples throats..let's get Brexit done and fuckwits actually believed it was that simple.
I think the repercussions of this are still going to be felt 5/10 years down the line.
No one person drove it. It’s been an active debate involving thousands of politicians and others for decades.
The public considered the options and voted. "
I thought your pal nigel took all the credit?
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Not entirely a surprise but he is a political heavyweight and wonder if it will change anything?
Here's some more details
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57541836
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"But it's not a case of it's done now..its over.
All of us are going to have to live with the consequences as will the younger generations.
And if in 5 years time it turns out to be an utter shit show..we just forget what happened?who drove it?
That's what I was saying before.
Brexit opened up huge wounds in this country, and they are just not going to heal overnight.
That was the argument that johnson rammed down peoples throats..let's get Brexit done and fuckwits actually believed it was that simple.
I think the repercussions of this are still going to be felt 5/10 years down the line.
No one person drove it. It’s been an active debate involving thousands of politicians and others for decades.
The public considered the options and voted. "
When you say the public considered all the options do you include the woman interviewed on brexit day who claimed the germans were running our courts? |
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"But it's not a case of it's done now..its over.
All of us are going to have to live with the consequences as will the younger generations.
And if in 5 years time it turns out to be an utter shit show..we just forget what happened?who drove it?
That's what I was saying before.
Brexit opened up huge wounds in this country, and they are just not going to heal overnight.
That was the argument that johnson rammed down peoples throats..let's get Brexit done and fuckwits actually believed it was that simple.
I think the repercussions of this are still going to be felt 5/10 years down the line.
No one person drove it. It’s been an active debate involving thousands of politicians and others for decades.
The public considered the options and voted.
When you say the public considered all the options do you include the woman interviewed on brexit day who claimed the germans were running our courts?"
No idea what you’re referring to but I certainly include stuff like Anna Soubry's claim on a Question Time appearance, Remainers suggested there would be an immediate Brexit recession. No recession to date, in fact the OECD now believes the UK economy will grow 1.8% this year, up 0.1% on its pre-referendum estimate. Even Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England, now admits he is "quietly optimistic" about Brexit. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"But it's not a case of it's done now..its over.
All of us are going to have to live with the consequences as will the younger generations.
And if in 5 years time it turns out to be an utter shit show..we just forget what happened?who drove it?
That's what I was saying before.
Brexit opened up huge wounds in this country, and they are just not going to heal overnight.
That was the argument that johnson rammed down peoples throats..let's get Brexit done and fuckwits actually believed it was that simple.
I think the repercussions of this are still going to be felt 5/10 years down the line.
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As you would say, outstanding, so people who have a different opinion to you are fuckwits.
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"But it's not a case of it's done now..its over.
All of us are going to have to live with the consequences as will the younger generations.
And if in 5 years time it turns out to be an utter shit show..we just forget what happened?who drove it?
That's what I was saying before.
Brexit opened up huge wounds in this country, and they are just not going to heal overnight.
That was the argument that johnson rammed down peoples throats..let's get Brexit done and fuckwits actually believed it was that simple.
I think the repercussions of this are still going to be felt 5/10 years down the line.
As you would say, outstanding, so people who have a different opinion to you are fuckwits.
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If people believe that getting Brexit done would be as easy as Spaffer had suggested then they are fuckwits |
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"Not entirely a surprise but he is a political heavyweight and wonder if it will change anything?
Here's some more details
.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57541836
Does this trigger a by election or does he just transfer over with his constituency"
No, as he stood down from parliament at the 2019 General election. He is not currently a MP |
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I've not even read the replies, but I'm gonna make some magical predictions...
Brexit was mentioned somehow
Somebody gloated about salty remainer/remoaner tears.
Somebody smeared Bercow.
If the discussions got random enough, Hitler was brought up.
How are my psychic powers? |
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"I've not even read the replies, but I'm gonna make some magical predictions...
Brexit was mentioned somehow
Somebody gloated about salty remainer/remoaner tears.
Somebody smeared Bercow.
If the discussions got random enough, Hitler was brought up.
How are my psychic powers?"
Genius. Can you I'd the football scores next please? |
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"I've not even read the replies, but I'm gonna make some magical predictions...
Brexit was mentioned somehow
Somebody gloated about salty remainer/remoaner tears.
Somebody smeared Bercow.
If the discussions got random enough, Hitler was brought up.
How are my psychic powers?
Genius. Can you I'd the football scores next please? "
Hahaha were all the guesses right? I was confident on most of them, but the Hitler 1 was a punt based on seeing past threads play out. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Not entirely a surprise but he is a political heavyweight and wonder if it will change anything?
Here's some more details
.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57541836
Does this trigger a by election or does he just transfer over with his constituency
No, as he stood down from parliament at the 2019 General election. He is not currently a MP"
Thanks. I completely forgot he stood down and thought Labour might have finally gained a seat |
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Times exclusive - Bercow asked Corbyn for a peerage after No10 snub - “John Bercow lobbied Labour to nominate him for a peerage after the 2019 election, unprecedented leak of nomination documents reveals. He wrote his own lengthy citation touting his credentials as a shadow minister and "lawn tennis coach"
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"Times exclusive - Bercow asked Corbyn for a peerage after No10 snub - “John Bercow lobbied Labour to nominate him for a peerage after the 2019 election, unprecedented leak of nomination documents reveals. He wrote his own lengthy citation touting his credentials as a shadow minister and "lawn tennis coach"
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If all he cared about was a peerage, he could have simply sucked up to the Tories and not done his job correctly as Speaker. The reason he didn't get a peerage was he actually did his job in standing up for Parliament. This rather pissed off certain Tories. |
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"Times exclusive - Bercow asked Corbyn for a peerage after No10 snub - “John Bercow lobbied Labour to nominate him for a peerage after the 2019 election, unprecedented leak of nomination documents reveals. He wrote his own lengthy citation touting his credentials as a shadow minister and "lawn tennis coach"
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And? |
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"Has he actually been accepted by the Labour Party?
I am right in thinking that he's still under investigation on harassment claims?
Investigation ongoing …"
Lol that'll mess up the corrupt tories thread if labour's first new member is found guilty... |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Has he actually been accepted by the Labour Party?
I am right in thinking that he's still under investigation on harassment claims?
Investigation ongoing …
Lol that'll mess up the corrupt tories thread if labour's first new member is found guilty... "
He'll be able to keep JC company on the naughty step
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"Has he actually been accepted by the Labour Party?
I am right in thinking that he's still under investigation on harassment claims?
Investigation ongoing …
Lol that'll mess up the corrupt tories thread if labour's first new member is found guilty... "
Alleged crimes were still under a Tory flag though |
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"Has he actually been accepted by the Labour Party?
I am right in thinking that he's still under investigation on harassment claims?
Investigation ongoing …
Lol that'll mess up the corrupt tories thread if labour's first new member is found guilty...
Alleged crimes were still under a Tory flag though "
I guess which political flavour is of huge import to the alleged victims. |
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So many mps are just wannabes! E balls, doreen jungle.... all want newspaper jobs, TV, book deals.... we need some conditions to being an MP, like sanity!
But would anyone then do it? Attracts a certain type. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Has he actually been accepted by the Labour Party?
I am right in thinking that he's still under investigation on harassment claims?
Investigation ongoing …
Lol that'll mess up the corrupt tories thread if labour's first new member is found guilty...
Alleged crimes were still under a Tory flag though "
Glad to see you're more concerned about which party rather than the offence( alleged of course) |
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"So many mps are just wannabes! E balls, doreen jungle.... all want newspaper jobs, TV, book deals.... we need some conditions to being an MP, like sanity!
But would anyone then do it? Attracts a certain type. "
I'm sure they all start with the best of intentions. The "system" needs to do better to help them maintain those good intentions. |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing."
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him. |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him."
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him."
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot. |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot."
Gosh I'm convinced. |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot."
‘Everyone’, they didn’t . OORRDERRR |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot."
Not me |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot.
Not me"
That's no suprise coming from someone so blind to politicians being corrupt.
You probably kiss your Boris statue as he spews out the lies to you while you lap them up. |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot.
Not me
That's no suprise coming from someone so blind to politicians being corrupt.
You probably kiss your Boris statue as he spews out the lies to you while you lap them up."
The question is: where would they kiss the statue? |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot.
Not me
That's no suprise coming from someone so blind to politicians being corrupt.
You probably kiss your Boris statue as he spews out the lies to you while you lap them up."
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot.
Not me
That's no suprise coming from someone so blind to politicians being corrupt.
You probably kiss your Boris statue as he spews out the lies to you while you lap them up.
The question is: where would they kiss the statue? "
He would go for the cheeks, not the ones on his face though |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot.
Not me
That's no suprise coming from someone so blind to politicians being corrupt.
You probably kiss your Boris statue as he spews out the lies to you while you lap them up.
The question is: where would they kiss the statue?
He would go for the cheeks, not the ones on his face though "
Nothing gets past you does it? |
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"Has he actually been accepted by the Labour Party?
I am right in thinking that he's still under investigation on harassment claims?
Investigation ongoing …
Lol that'll mess up the corrupt tories thread if labour's first new member is found guilty...
Alleged crimes were still under a Tory flag though
Glad to see you're more concerned about which party rather than the offence( alleged of course)"
That's because tories are mired and associated with sleaze, that's their ideology so alligatons stick easier |
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"He was the worst, most biased speaker ever, the little turd needs flushing.
He really was horribly biased in favour of actually doing his job. No wonder the Tories hated him.
Not just the tories, everyone hated the biased idiot.
Not me
That's no suprise coming from someone so blind to politicians being corrupt.
You probably kiss your Boris statue as he spews out the lies to you while you lap them up.
The question is: where would they kiss the statue?
He would go for the cheeks, not the ones on his face though "
Have you still got your Donald Trump statue and red cap |
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"Blimey according to the Times it was that robber of miners, Ian Lavery, who signed Berkos peerage nomination forms. Sleaze upon sleaze. "
Poor Thatcher got the blame. |
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"So many mps are just wannabes! E balls, doreen jungle.... all want newspaper jobs, TV, book deals.... we need some conditions to being an MP, like sanity!
But would anyone then do it? Attracts a certain type.
I'm sure they all start with the best of intentions. The "system" needs to do better to help them maintain those good intentions. "
im not sure they do, i think some do but a lot will say anything to get advantage/gain in some way.... hence a conversion.. praise the lord.... personally i think the guy is a toad... toad when a conservative and now even more of one... and when he morphs into a lord the transition will be complete... drain the swamp! |
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