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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes? |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?"
Hopefully there's brinkmanship and bluff going on, and a deal gets sorted, otherwise bojo will look a bafoon  |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?
Hopefully there's brinkmanship and bluff going on, and a deal gets sorted, otherwise bojo will look a bafoon "
Can we send him back to Hartlepool then &
Say he is a french spy ? |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?
Hopefully there's brinkmanship and bluff going on, and a deal gets sorted, otherwise bojo will look a bafoon
Can we send him back to Hartlepool then &
Say he is a french spy ? "
Oh sorry hed need to be a baboon
Angus the Monkey anyone ? |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?
Hopefully there's brinkmanship and bluff going on, and a deal gets sorted, otherwise bojo will look a bafoon "
Johnson is a bafoon. |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?
Hopefully there's brinkmanship and bluff going on, and a deal gets sorted, otherwise bojo will look a bafoon
Can we send him back to Hartlepool then &
Say he is a french spy ?
Oh sorry hed need to be a baboon
Angus the Monkey anyone ?"
H’Angus |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?
Hopefully there's brinkmanship and bluff going on, and a deal gets sorted, otherwise bojo will look a bafoon
Can we send him back to Hartlepool then &
Say he is a french spy ?
Oh sorry hed need to be a baboon
Angus the Monkey anyone ?
H’Angus "
I know but living in London i drop me H' aitches |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive. |
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive."
These are purely administrative issues of literally zero consequence to producers or consumers. Nobody has lost anything, despite the best efforts of some of your crew to constantly talk the country down. |
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
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Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh? |
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?"
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements? |
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements?"
Well lionel, lets look at this statement should we? I mean Mayor of london,Prime minister of the uk.Theres two , would you like to counter with two of your biggest achievments which gives you the bragging rites here?
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements?
Well lionel, lets look at this statement should we? I mean Mayor of london,Prime minister of the uk.Theres two , would you like to counter with two of your biggest achievments which gives you the bragging rites here?
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Erm.. you realise I'm not running the country?
Are they achievements?
Surely it's what you do in the role that counts?
It cant be too hard...what are his say,5 biggest achievements as pm? |
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements?
Well lionel, lets look at this statement should we? I mean Mayor of london,Prime minister of the uk.Theres two , would you like to counter with two of your biggest achievments which gives you the bragging rites here?
Erm.. you realise I'm not running the country?
Are they achievements?
Surely it's what you do in the role that counts?
It cant be too hard...what are his say,5 biggest achievements as pm?"
Of course youre not running the country lionel.What a silly thing to say and an obvious effort to deflect from the question i asked.You dont consider being mayor of london or prime minister as an achievement?You must have achieved great things.
Go on Lionel , i asked you first, your two big achievments in life? |
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements?
Well lionel, lets look at this statement should we? I mean Mayor of london,Prime minister of the uk.Theres two , would you like to counter with two of your biggest achievments which gives you the bragging rites here?
Erm.. you realise I'm not running the country?
Are they achievements?
Surely it's what you do in the role that counts?
It cant be too hard...what are his say,5 biggest achievements as pm?
Of course youre not running the country lionel.What a silly thing to say and an obvious effort to deflect from the question i asked.You dont consider being mayor of london or prime minister as an achievement?You must have achieved great things.
Go on Lionel , i asked you first, your two big achievments in life?"
Sorry
Just to clarify.. when I've asked you to list the best achievements of the person running the country..your best response is to say to a random lad on a forum
Well what have you done?
Have I got that right,? |
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements?
Well lionel, lets look at this statement should we? I mean Mayor of london,Prime minister of the uk.Theres two , would you like to counter with two of your biggest achievments which gives you the bragging rites here?
Erm.. you realise I'm not running the country?
Are they achievements?
Surely it's what you do in the role that counts?
It cant be too hard...what are his say,5 biggest achievements as pm?
Of course youre not running the country lionel.What a silly thing to say and an obvious effort to deflect from the question i asked.You dont consider being mayor of london or prime minister as an achievement?You must have achieved great things.
Go on Lionel , i asked you first, your two big achievments in life?
Sorry
Just to clarify.. when I've asked you to list the best achievements of the person running the country..your best response is to say to a random lad on a forum
Well what have you done?
Have I got that right,?"
Another effort at deflection which is your MO.Go back and read my first post in this thread and your reply lionel.
Boris aint no saint , far from it.No politician is.But to say he hasnt achieved anything,indeed becoming mayor of london and prime minister arnt in themselves achievements is a little silly. |
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements?
Well lionel, lets look at this statement should we? I mean Mayor of london,Prime minister of the uk.Theres two , would you like to counter with two of your biggest achievments which gives you the bragging rites here?
Erm.. you realise I'm not running the country?
Are they achievements?
Surely it's what you do in the role that counts?
It cant be too hard...what are his say,5 biggest achievements as pm?
Of course youre not running the country lionel.What a silly thing to say and an obvious effort to deflect from the question i asked.You dont consider being mayor of london or prime minister as an achievement?You must have achieved great things.
Go on Lionel , i asked you first, your two big achievments in life?
Sorry
Just to clarify.. when I've asked you to list the best achievements of the person running the country..your best response is to say to a random lad on a forum
Well what have you done?
Have I got that right,?
Another effort at deflection which is your MO.Go back and read my first post in this thread and your reply lionel.
Boris aint no saint , far from it.No politician is.But to say he hasnt achieved anything,indeed becoming mayor of london and prime minister arnt in themselves achievements is a little silly. "
I asked you what his greatest achievements where?
You asked me to list mine
I asked you to clarify if this was your argument as and this deflection?
Riiight.
I'll say again..its what do in your job that counts.. and you seem to be struggling to name 1 achievement..never Mind 5.
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements?
Well lionel, lets look at this statement should we? I mean Mayor of london,Prime minister of the uk.Theres two , would you like to counter with two of your biggest achievments which gives you the bragging rites here?
Erm.. you realise I'm not running the country?
Are they achievements?
Surely it's what you do in the role that counts?
It cant be too hard...what are his say,5 biggest achievements as pm?
Of course youre not running the country lionel.What a silly thing to say and an obvious effort to deflect from the question i asked.You dont consider being mayor of london or prime minister as an achievement?You must have achieved great things.
Go on Lionel , i asked you first, your two big achievments in life?
Sorry
Just to clarify.. when I've asked you to list the best achievements of the person running the country..your best response is to say to a random lad on a forum
Well what have you done?
Have I got that right,?
Another effort at deflection which is your MO.Go back and read my first post in this thread and your reply lionel.
Boris aint no saint , far from it.No politician is.But to say he hasnt achieved anything,indeed becoming mayor of london and prime minister arnt in themselves achievements is a little silly.
I asked you what his greatest achievements where?
You asked me to list mine
I asked you to clarify if this was your argument as and this deflection?
Riiight.
I'll say again..its what do in your job that counts.. and you seem to be struggling to name 1 achievement..never Mind 5.
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You refuse to answer my question yet get pissy when i dont answer yours.Yep.Classic.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
These are purely administrative issues of literally zero consequence to producers or consumers. Nobody has lost anything, despite the best efforts of some of your crew to constantly talk the country down. "
May I draw your attention to real costs incurred by M&S . They are one of number of companies who are paying for Boris’ incompetence .
Admin issue PMSL
You’re comments are completely ignorant of facts.
Boris is still threatening not to implement the deal “HE” agreed for Northern Ireland six months later.
He has no intention of implementing the border deal between U.K. and France/ Netherlands/Belgium/ Sweden /Denmark until at least 2022. Thats costing U.K. business as it’s favouring imports over U.K. manufacturers exports.
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"So despite the pressure, Johnson seems adamant to completely ignore the U.K. obligations that he and Frost negotiated and (again) break international law.
How many Brexiters can still they support a Prime Minister who has negotiated a deal and six months down the road wants to change it? You all praised him for getting the deal, laughed when he prorogued Parliament, got angry at NP’s who wanted to scrutinise the deal… And here we are, six months into Brexit and it is time to start blaming the EU for something we negotiated.
Truly, truly bind bogglingly incompetent and yet cheered on by millions because he is so shit.
What a time to be alive.
Ever dawned on you that the " millions" cheering him on might be right and the handful of people on a sex site that constantly piss and moan about everything and anything he does might be in the wrong?
Crazy thought eh?
What are you basing that on exactly?
His litany of achievements?
Well lionel, lets look at this statement should we? I mean Mayor of london,Prime minister of the uk.Theres two , would you like to counter with two of your biggest achievments which gives you the bragging rites here?
Erm.. you realise I'm not running the country?
Are they achievements?
Surely it's what you do in the role that counts?
It cant be too hard...what are his say,5 biggest achievements as pm?
Of course youre not running the country lionel.What a silly thing to say and an obvious effort to deflect from the question i asked.You dont consider being mayor of london or prime minister as an achievement?You must have achieved great things.
Go on Lionel , i asked you first, your two big achievments in life?
Sorry
Just to clarify.. when I've asked you to list the best achievements of the person running the country..your best response is to say to a random lad on a forum
Well what have you done?
Have I got that right,?
Another effort at deflection which is your MO.Go back and read my first post in this thread and your reply lionel.
Boris aint no saint , far from it.No politician is.But to say he hasnt achieved anything,indeed becoming mayor of london and prime minister arnt in themselves achievements is a little silly.
I asked you what his greatest achievements where?
You asked me to list mine
I asked you to clarify if this was your argument as and this deflection?
Riiight.
I'll say again..its what do in your job that counts.. and you seem to be struggling to name 1 achievement..never Mind 5.
You refuse to answer my question yet get pissy when i dont answer yours.Yep.Classic.
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Indeed.
The achievements of mine are completely relevant to a discussion about the pm
Outstanding
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"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering"
I blame covid |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering"
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK"
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within."
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick. |
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What makes me laugh (not in a good way), is all these "as a 3rd party" regulations we are stumbling up against.
We were actually party to putting most of them in place whilst members. You'd think the government might have remembered that. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick."
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
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"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion. "
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago."
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"What makes me laugh (not in a good way), is all these "as a 3rd party" regulations we are stumbling up against.
We were actually party to putting most of them in place whilst members. You'd think the government might have remembered that."
They will say that’s a previous administrations fault!! Maybe they should have read a bit more and done some homework instead of bluster and bullshit around sunny uplands!! |
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"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum. "
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
"
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions. |
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"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions."
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions.
Ok..so to clarify.. why did lord Frost not realise the difference?"
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions."
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions.Nothing new there then. "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions.Nothing new there then.
It really isn't worth trying to have a discussion, is it? "
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions.Nothing new there then.
It really isn't worth trying to have a discussion, is it? Thats why i dont bother anymore it just turns into kinder garden playtime "
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"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions.Nothing new there then.
It really isn't worth trying to have a discussion, is it? Thats why i dont bother anymore it just turns into kinder garden playtime
Totally agree with you, Costa. Always does. Then when it truly goes against them, they get you blocked! "
You realise only mods get you blocked dont you?
Anyone well done for keeping the thread on track
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"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions.Nothing new there then.
It really isn't worth trying to have a discussion, is it? Thats why i dont bother anymore it just turns into kinder garden playtime
Totally agree with you, Costa. Always does. Then when it truly goes against them, they get you blocked! "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Lord Frost yesterday...
"..It's different negotiating as a member state, as it is negotiating with the EU asa third party
..We hadn't fully internalised that difference"
Staggering
So basically he had no idea what platform he was negotiating from and had no idea what we needed to resolve. Cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale. The EU must have been laughing as they signed the deal thinking how useless this lot are. Real heavyweight politicians against our schoolyard leaders! Tragic for the. UK
I think he's just made the point I have thought all along. We should have left without negotiating a deal. Then and only then, should we have gone to the table. Far easier to negotiate from outside than within.
You have actually got that completely the wrong way round.
He is complaining now about how much harder it is negotiate as an outsider because we have nothing new to offer.
This was said as nauseum during the negotiating process and only now does the Chief Negotiator realise this.
And the said David Davies was thick.
I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
How does covid affect how we negotiated how to leave?
They were telling us what a great deal it was a few short months ago.
Along comes Lionel, doing his usual by asking a question that isn't relevant.
Where did I say covid affected the deal?
A question answered with a question.
I'm beginning to get the hang of this forum.
Ah sorry you had me confused then
In a thread about what lord Frost has said re negotiations you referenced covid,but covid is now,according to you nothing to do with the discussion
Gotcha
Sorry to confuse you. Just doing what others do. I was discussing Brexit as others were. Were the negotiations being discussed in this thread not about Brexit? Therefore I discussed the thread and the wider issues. Not difficult to understand. But as I seem to be getting drawn into the usual rhetoric, rather than actually discussing the thread and it's wider issues, which if you actually read what I wrote you would see why it's relevant.
Funny you talk about whataboutary when the discussion gets away from you or goes in a way you disagree with, but you seem quite happy to derail a thread by irrelevant questions.Nothing new there then.
It really isn't worth trying to have a discussion, is it? Thats why i dont bother anymore it just turns into kinder garden playtime
Totally agree with you, Costa. Always does. Then when it truly goes against them, they get you blocked!
Or they say 'I've blocked you now, please don't engage with my posts' "
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion. "
You can "think" what you like, but it simply was never possible for the UK to leave on WTO Terms because of the Good Friday Agreement.
Under International Law, a country that is changing its laws and such a change impacts the status quo of an existing international agreement, the moving country is bound to mitigate the effects on the international agreement.
In other words, the UK was not able by law to enable Northern Ireland to walk away from the GFA with the United Kingdom and stick two fingers up at the EU and say - your border, your problem.
Aside from that mere blip of inaccuracy in your suggestion, we can then think about what is happening on the UK/EU border right now with UK exports having quite literally fallen off a cliff because the EU is imposing the conditions of the Trade Agreement that it now has with the EU. The UK is not imposing conditions for now and so UK imports have only been affected minimally.(At least the Government are choosing not to impose shortages on us - for now lol)
So knowing as we do, that exports have fallen off a cliff (with a deal)and that out own Government is too scared to impose the same restrictions that it negotiated on imports - what do you think might have been the result of ...
"Going WTO?"
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
lytham st.annes |
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I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
You can "think" what you like, but it simply was never possible for the UK to leave on WTO Terms because of the Good Friday Agreement.
Under International Law, a country that is changing its laws and such a change impacts the status quo of an existing international agreement, the moving country is bound to mitigate the effects on the international agreement.
In other words, the UK was not able by law to enable Northern Ireland to walk away from the GFA with the United Kingdom and stick two fingers up at the EU and say - your border, your problem.
Aside from that mere blip of inaccuracy in your suggestion, we can then think about what is happening on the UK/EU border right now with UK exports having quite literally fallen off a cliff because the EU is imposing the conditions of the Trade Agreement that it now has with the EU. The UK is not imposing conditions for now and so UK imports have only been affected minimally.(At least the Government are choosing not to impose shortages on us - for now lol)
So knowing as we do, that exports have fallen off a cliff (with a deal)and that out own Government is too scared to impose the same restrictions that it negotiated on imports - what do you think might have been the result of ...
"Going WTO?"
Just think rationally about it."
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
You can "think" what you like, but it simply was never possible for the UK to leave on WTO Terms because of the Good Friday Agreement.
Under International Law, a country that is changing its laws and such a change impacts the status quo of an existing international agreement, the moving country is bound to mitigate the effects on the international agreement.
In other words, the UK was not able by law to enable Northern Ireland to walk away from the GFA with the United Kingdom and stick two fingers up at the EU and say - your border, your problem.
Aside from that mere blip of inaccuracy in your suggestion, we can then think about what is happening on the UK/EU border right now with UK exports having quite literally fallen off a cliff because the EU is imposing the conditions of the Trade Agreement that it now has with the EU. The UK is not imposing conditions for now and so UK imports have only been affected minimally.(At least the Government are choosing not to impose shortages on us - for now lol)
So knowing as we do, that exports have fallen off a cliff (with a deal)and that out own Government is too scared to impose the same restrictions that it negotiated on imports - what do you think might have been the result of ...
"Going WTO?"
Just think rationally about it."
I have. Leaving on WTO rules, then negotiate a trade deal. Not negotiate a political way to leave the EU with a trade deal on the side.
It rather seems as if you believe the EU on the gfa. I don't remember the EU being anywhere around when it was being negotiated. It was/is being used by the EU as a political pawn. Nobody is suggesting the gfa is broken other than the EU. And when push comes to shove who tried to break the agreement? It wasn't the UK. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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I have. Leaving on WTO rules, then negotiate a trade deal. Not negotiate a political way to leave the EU with a trade deal on the side.
It rather seems as if you believe the EU on the gfa. I don't remember the EU being anywhere around when it was being negotiated. It was/is being used by the EU as a political pawn. Nobody is suggesting the gfa is broken other than the EU. And when push comes to shove who tried to break the agreement? It wasn't the UK."
The GFA MANDATES an open and frictionless border on the island of Ireland and all citizens of N. Ireland can choose to have an Irish passport, or a British passport - or both.
Leaving on WTO rules puts a defacto border on the island of Ireland and therefore it would have been the responsibility of the UK to still maintain the application of the International Agreement, irrespective of what it decided to do nationally.
With respect, the "WTO" argument was always a complete nonsense story fed to people to keep them distracted.
Politically, legally and economically it would have been so catastrophic as to be not even considered to be a non-starter - because it could not be squared with the GFA... Just for starters.
Ask yourself - if it were so great an option why have we ended up with Boris' great deal?? Negotiated by the great Lord Frost and cheered on hysterically be leading Brexters? This is shit, but even they know that "WTO" would have been at the bottom of a pile of shit 1,000 feet deep. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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I have. Leaving on WTO rules, then negotiate a trade deal. Not negotiate a political way to leave the EU with a trade deal on the side.
It rather seems as if you believe the EU on the gfa. I don't remember the EU being anywhere around when it was being negotiated. It was/is being used by the EU as a political pawn. Nobody is suggesting the gfa is broken other than the EU. And when push comes to shove who tried to break the agreement? It wasn't the UK.
The GFA MANDATES an open and frictionless border on the island of Ireland and all citizens of N. Ireland can choose to have an Irish passport, or a British passport - or both.
Leaving on WTO rules puts a defacto border on the island of Ireland and therefore it would have been the responsibility of the UK to still maintain the application of the International Agreement, irrespective of what it decided to do nationally.
With respect, the "WTO" argument was always a complete nonsense story fed to people to keep them distracted.
Politically, legally and economically it would have been so catastrophic as to be not even considered to be a non-starter - because it could not be squared with the GFA... Just for starters.
Ask yourself - if it were so great an option why have we ended up with Boris' great deal?? Negotiated by the great Lord Frost and cheered on hysterically be leading Brexters? This is shit, but even they know that "WTO" would have been at the bottom of a pile of shit 1,000 feet deep."
I agree with you, Boris deal was crap. It was a politically motivated deal on both sides not a trade deal. To get a deal we should have left with no deal. The gfa never had to be broken. Nobody wanted to break it. Gibraltar. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I haven't got it wrong at all. That's what I think.
We didn't negotiate a trade deal, we negotiated a political deal on leaving the EU. If we had left on WTO rules as we had threatened, not putting a barrier between the the Republic and N.I. as suggested, leaving that for the EU to do if they wished, once outside, then we could have negotiated a trade deal with the EU, even if several years down the line.
The problems come by negotiating a political deal on leaving with trade attached.
Trade deals with any country are always revisited. It's not a big deal, just part of ongoing trade with other countries.
The only people making it a big deal, are the loud minority as usual because they hate being wrong!
Anyone who thought that the benefits would shine through in a few months of leaving are deluding themselves. It may take several years, but we will be better off out. Anyone that doesn't think a pandemic would have an effect on the economy and blames it on Brexit is also delusional.
Although of course, all the usual suspects will appear from their caves and tell me I'm wrong.
But that's the point of a discussion.
You can "think" what you like, but it simply was never possible for the UK to leave on WTO Terms because of the Good Friday Agreement.
Under International Law, a country that is changing its laws and such a change impacts the status quo of an existing international agreement, the moving country is bound to mitigate the effects on the international agreement.
In other words, the UK was not able by law to enable Northern Ireland to walk away from the GFA with the United Kingdom and stick two fingers up at the EU and say - your border, your problem.
Aside from that mere blip of inaccuracy in your suggestion, we can then think about what is happening on the UK/EU border right now with UK exports having quite literally fallen off a cliff because the EU is imposing the conditions of the Trade Agreement that it now has with the EU. The UK is not imposing conditions for now and so UK imports have only been affected minimally.(At least the Government are choosing not to impose shortages on us - for now lol)
So knowing as we do, that exports have fallen off a cliff (with a deal)and that out own Government is too scared to impose the same restrictions that it negotiated on imports - what do you think might have been the result of ...
"Going WTO?"
Just think rationally about it.
I have. Leaving on WTO rules, then negotiate a trade deal. Not negotiate a political way to leave the EU with a trade deal on the side.
It rather seems as if you believe the EU on the gfa. I don't remember the EU being anywhere around when it was being negotiated. It was/is being used by the EU as a political pawn. Nobody is suggesting the gfa is broken other than the EU. And when push comes to shove who tried to break the agreement? It wasn't the UK."
Well actually it was the Uk breaking
Terms & Conditions of the Belfast Agreement .
Leaving the EU meant that the Belfast Agreement ( GFA )
Was broken . Whatever way you look at it ,
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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"The irony of complaining about whatabouttery and deflection and then whinging about other posters is too much.
I might ‘flounce off’ in protest  "
You won't be missed. |
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"The irony of complaining about whatabouttery and deflection and then whinging about other posters is too much.
I might ‘flounce off’ in protest
You won't be missed."
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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I have. Leaving on WTO rules, then negotiate a trade deal. Not negotiate a political way to leave the EU with a trade deal on the side.
It rather seems as if you believe the EU on the gfa. I don't remember the EU being anywhere around when it was being negotiated. It was/is being used by the EU as a political pawn. Nobody is suggesting the gfa is broken other than the EU. And when push comes to shove who tried to break the agreement? It wasn't the UK.
The GFA MANDATES an open and frictionless border on the island of Ireland and all citizens of N. Ireland can choose to have an Irish passport, or a British passport - or both.
Leaving on WTO rules puts a defacto border on the island of Ireland and therefore it would have been the responsibility of the UK to still maintain the application of the International Agreement, irrespective of what it decided to do nationally.
With respect, the "WTO" argument was always a complete nonsense story fed to people to keep them distracted.
Politically, legally and economically it would have been so catastrophic as to be not even considered to be a non-starter - because it could not be squared with the GFA... Just for starters.
Ask yourself - if it were so great an option why have we ended up with Boris' great deal?? Negotiated by the great Lord Frost and cheered on hysterically be leading Brexters? This is shit, but even they know that "WTO" would have been at the bottom of a pile of shit 1,000 feet deep.
I agree with you, Boris deal was crap. It was a politically motivated deal on both sides not a trade deal. To get a deal we should have left with no deal. The gfa never had to be broken. Nobody wanted to break it. Gibraltar."
Reading the news today it seems that the ROI are not happy with it either. Another fisherman protest as they had their quotas reduced by the deal. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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I have. Leaving on WTO rules, then negotiate a trade deal. Not negotiate a political way to leave the EU with a trade deal on the side.
It rather seems as if you believe the EU on the gfa. I don't remember the EU being anywhere around when it was being negotiated. It was/is being used by the EU as a political pawn. Nobody is suggesting the gfa is broken other than the EU. And when push comes to shove who tried to break the agreement? It wasn't the UK.
The GFA MANDATES an open and frictionless border on the island of Ireland and all citizens of N. Ireland can choose to have an Irish passport, or a British passport - or both.
Leaving on WTO rules puts a defacto border on the island of Ireland and therefore it would have been the responsibility of the UK to still maintain the application of the International Agreement, irrespective of what it decided to do nationally.
With respect, the "WTO" argument was always a complete nonsense story fed to people to keep them distracted.
Politically, legally and economically it would have been so catastrophic as to be not even considered to be a non-starter - because it could not be squared with the GFA... Just for starters.
Ask yourself - if it were so great an option why have we ended up with Boris' great deal?? Negotiated by the great Lord Frost and cheered on hysterically be leading Brexters? This is shit, but even they know that "WTO" would have been at the bottom of a pile of shit 1,000 feet deep.
I agree with you, Boris deal was crap. It was a politically motivated deal on both sides not a trade deal. To get a deal we should have left with no deal. The gfa never had to be broken. Nobody wanted to break it. Gibraltar."
Seriously?
Don’t you know Gibraltar’s legal status?
The post-Brexit agreement between the U.K., EU and Gibraltar means that Gibraltar will wholly follow EU Customs and Single Market rules and is now part of Shenghen. The result of which is that the border between Gibraltar and Spain is more fluid than it ever has been in history.
Setting the U.K. on a different course to the EU by default puts a border between the U.K. and the EU in N Ireland. That breaks the GFA and that breaks international law.
It’s not even a point of discussion - it is a fact. |
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"The irony of complaining about whatabouttery and deflection and then whinging about other posters is too much.
I might ‘flounce off’ in protest
And then come back
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have. Leaving on WTO rules, then negotiate a trade deal. Not negotiate a political way to leave the EU with a trade deal on the side.
It rather seems as if you believe the EU on the gfa. I don't remember the EU being anywhere around when it was being negotiated. It was/is being used by the EU as a political pawn. Nobody is suggesting the gfa is broken other than the EU. And when push comes to shove who tried to break the agreement? It wasn't the UK.
The GFA MANDATES an open and frictionless border on the island of Ireland and all citizens of N. Ireland can choose to have an Irish passport, or a British passport - or both.
Leaving on WTO rules puts a defacto border on the island of Ireland and therefore it would have been the responsibility of the UK to still maintain the application of the International Agreement, irrespective of what it decided to do nationally.
With respect, the "WTO" argument was always a complete nonsense story fed to people to keep them distracted.
Politically, legally and economically it would have been so catastrophic as to be not even considered to be a non-starter - because it could not be squared with the GFA... Just for starters.
Ask yourself - if it were so great an option why have we ended up with Boris' great deal?? Negotiated by the great Lord Frost and cheered on hysterically be leading Brexters? This is shit, but even they know that "WTO" would have been at the bottom of a pile of shit 1,000 feet deep.
I agree with you, Boris deal was crap. It was a politically motivated deal on both sides not a trade deal. To get a deal we should have left with no deal. The gfa never had to be broken. Nobody wanted to break it. Gibraltar.
Seriously?
Don’t you know Gibraltar’s legal status?
The post-Brexit agreement between the U.K., EU and Gibraltar means that Gibraltar will wholly follow EU Customs and Single Market rules and is now part of Shenghen. The result of which is that the border between Gibraltar and Spain is more fluid than it ever has been in history.
Setting the U.K. on a different course to the EU by default puts a border between the U.K. and the EU in N Ireland. That breaks the GFA and that breaks international law.
It’s not even a point of discussion - it is a fact."
A round of applause please everyone .
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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A reasonable time to resurrect this thread considering that Frost and Lewis released a “Command Paper” yesterday arguing that the protocol needs re-negotiating. The “command paper” was summarily dismissed by the EU barely three hours later.
The United Kingdom negotiated the Brexit deal and N Ireland protocol in good faith and it will not be renegotiated because the United Kingdom did not realise it’s implications. |
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"A reasonable time to resurrect this thread considering that Frost and Lewis released a “Command Paper” yesterday arguing that the protocol needs re-negotiating. The “command paper” was summarily dismissed by the EU barely three hours later.
The United Kingdom negotiated the Brexit deal and N Ireland protocol in good faith and it will not be renegotiated because the United Kingdom did not realise it’s implications."
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"A reasonable time to resurrect this thread considering that Frost and Lewis released a “Command Paper” yesterday arguing that the protocol needs re-negotiating. The “command paper” was summarily dismissed by the EU barely three hours later.
The United Kingdom negotiated the Brexit deal and N Ireland protocol in good faith and it will not be renegotiated because the United Kingdom did not realise it’s implications.
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It's quite a stunning combination of arrogance and stupidity by Frost, who is supposed to be a diplomat!
(obviously signed off by PM and Cabinet, but he's the lead on this) |
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"A reasonable time to resurrect this thread considering that Frost and Lewis released a “Command Paper” yesterday arguing that the protocol needs re-negotiating. The “command paper” was summarily dismissed by the EU barely three hours later.
The United Kingdom negotiated the Brexit deal and N Ireland protocol in good faith and it will not be renegotiated because the United Kingdom did not realise it’s implications.
It's quite a stunning combination of arrogance and stupidity by Frost, who is supposed to be a diplomat!
(obviously signed off by PM and Cabinet, but he's the lead on this) "
All if this conservative cabinet not got a brain between them. Good job they are not running a bit business operation. |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?
Hopefully there's brinkmanship and bluff going on, and a deal gets sorted, otherwise bojo will look a bafoon "
He dosent need to look like one he his one. |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?
Hopefully there's brinkmanship and bluff going on, and a deal gets sorted, otherwise bojo will look a bafoon
He dosent need to look like one he his one. "
I doubt Boris has read or understood what he signed up for, |
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In short, tories - we agree so we can “get brexit done” but really we had our fingers crossed behind our back.
How can anyone take this government seriously when we have these jokers at the helm?
Incompetence squared. |
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"These are purely administrative issues of literally zero consequence to producers or consumers. Nobody has lost anything, despite the best efforts of some of your crew to constantly talk the country down."
You don't live in N. Ireland, do you? |
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"Having been given a seat in the House of Lords as a reward for negotiating An “oven ready” Brexit deal, Lord Frost is today appealing to the EU for “flexibility” to change said deal.
Will we ever get out of these never-ending spats with the EU?
What exactly is oven-ready if you have to keep putting it back in the oven every five minutes?"
Here's his latest on the NI Ireland Protocol. Good luck getting the USA's approval on this bollocks; never mind the EU's.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-58881855 |
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?
Who has resigned? Frost?"
apparently so. Possibly due to approach on covid rather than NIP related. |
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?
Who has resigned? Frost?apparently so. Possibly due to approach on covid rather than NIP related. "
I'm not seeing this being reported anywhere? |
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?
Who has resigned? Frost?apparently so. Possibly due to approach on covid rather than NIP related.
I'm not seeing this being reported anywhere?"
My apologies...found it! |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?
Who has resigned? Frost?apparently so. Possibly due to approach on covid rather than NIP related. "
That is the official line though was never sure if he is upset that A16 was not invoked or that it was being threatened |
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So, Frosty the No-Man has resigned.
Quite a shock.
The man who negotiated the Brexit deal and told everyone that it was the beat thing since sliced bread.
The same man who threatened to invoke Article 16 twice every week for the last six months.
The man who was appointed to the House of Lords as a reward for his work in negotiating that same oven ready deal.
...and the man who was appointed to negotiate with the EU to change what he then told everyone was a deal that should never have been brokered.
Yes...that unelected beaurocratic.
Lord Frost.
I wonder what will happen next in this rollercoaster Brexit adventure...
So much fun and suspense... |
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?"
Who knows? If you need to know how detached from reality he is, read his resignation letter to Boris.
It's actually quite disturbing how unaware he is of the real world outside the 'Tory Bubble' - and, perhaps even more worrying, he's not alone.
Still, if even the voters of North Shropshire can wake up and smell the coffee; perhaps there's hope.
LOL - only kidding. Of course there isn't. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?
Who knows? If you need to know how detached from reality he is, read his resignation letter to Boris.
It's actually quite disturbing how unaware he is of the real world outside the 'Tory Bubble' - and, perhaps even more worrying, he's not alone.
Still, if even the voters of North Shropshire can wake up and smell the coffee; perhaps there's hope.
LOL - only kidding. Of course there isn't."
That letter really is disturbing to read, “delusional” is probably an understatement.
How do people who are so unaware of what is going on in the real world get to such positions of power and authority? |
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surprising the unelected bureaucrat wasn't gotten rid of sooner. he achieved an absolute nothing during his tenure aside from an enormous amount of damage to the country.
judging from the ERG what's app group arguement and the accompanying twitterstorm, the conservative party is more divided than ever, despite deploying a referendum on europe in a disasterous attempt to hoodwink the public into judging a popularity contest to decide which of the many factions would sieze control of institutionaly corrupt conservative unionism. |
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How do people who are so unaware of what is going on in the real world get to such positions of power and authority?
tory corruption and tory nepotism"
It is their world we live in you do realise that. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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How do people who are so unaware of what is going on in the real world get to such positions of power and authority?
tory corruption and tory nepotism
It is their world we live in you do realise that. "
hardly anyone realises that |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?"
Shit I said this as probably the stupidest and most unlikely outcome.
Fuck Me….
What could possibly go wrong now lol |
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?
Shit I said this as probably the stupidest and most unlikely outcome.
Fuck Me….
What could possibly go wrong now lol"
hahahahahahaha |
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Putting Truss in charge of Brexit negotiations feels like a tactical demolition by Johnson.
As mad as it is, she's been rumoured as our possible next PM. But Brexit negotiation is a political graveyard. |
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"He’s resigned.
Who is going to carry the Brexit campaign into the heart of Brussels now?
Liz Truss?
Shit I said this as probably the stupidest and most unlikely outcome.
Fuck Me….
What could possibly go wrong now lol
hahahahahahaha"
The thing is, why do we still need a ‘Brexit negotiator’ ? Brexit is done, apparently |
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