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"With the vaccine and lockdown ending, do you think you can forgive the mistakes and actions that have occurred over the last year?"
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over a year ago
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"With the vaccine and lockdown ending, do you think you can forgive the mistakes and actions that have occurred over the last year?"
Not especially, dithering with lockdowns, cover ups , lies, and all after an exercise in what to do and what would be needed if a virus hit the uk |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right. |
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"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right."
There you go.
This is probably what most Tories will say. "What about if someone else was in government".
It's easier than accepting that Boris's actions, or specifically inaction, led to 1000's of extra deaths.
Still, if that fails there's always the argument that our death rate isn't counted in the same was as Ecuador's, so when it's all tallied up, we might not be much worse then them. |
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"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right."
Which Is completely irrelevant |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
There you go.
This is probably what most Tories will say. "What about if someone else was in government".
It's easier than accepting that Boris's actions, or specifically inaction, led to 1000's of extra deaths.
Still, if that fails there's always the argument that our death rate isn't counted in the same was as Ecuador's, so when it's all tallied up, we might not be much worse then them. "
Are you calling me a Tory? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
There you go.
This is probably what most Tories will say. "What about if someone else was in government".
It's easier than accepting that Boris's actions, or specifically inaction, led to 1000's of extra deaths.
Still, if that fails there's always the argument that our death rate isn't counted in the same was as Ecuador's, so when it's all tallied up, we might not be much worse then them.
Are you calling me a Tory?"
That's standard. If you don't absolutely bash the governement, you must be a tory |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
Which Is completely irrelevant "
Exactly. It is irrelevant. That was my whole point.
I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows.
Would labour have done better? Would the libdems done better? The greens? All irrelevant because they weren't in government, the Tories were. Could it have been done better? Of course it could. Different people make different mistakes.
It's all...whataboutary! To quote you Lionel. We can't know if it would have been handed differently at the time because we didn't have the information the government had or the balancing act needed. The knock on effects we aren't aware of. It's much more than just one decision.
Should we have an enquiry. Most certainly. We need to learn for the next time.
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"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
Which Is completely irrelevant
Exactly. It is irrelevant. That was my whole point.
I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows.
Would labour have done better? Would the libdems done better? The greens? All irrelevant because they weren't in government, the Tories were. Could it have been done better? Of course it could. Different people make different mistakes.
It's all...whataboutary! To quote you Lionel. We can't know if it would have been handed differently at the time because we didn't have the information the government had or the balancing act needed. The knock on effects we aren't aware of. It's much more than just one decision.
Should we have an enquiry. Most certainly. We need to learn for the next time.
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The inquiry will be kicked into the long grass.
Its already been shifted from this year, till next spring.
It will be years before anyone finds anything remotely near the truth,by which time those in power at the time will have moved on.
We have seen it time and time again in the past.
Labour should be on their case each day,demanding a truly independent inquiry. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
There you go.
This is probably what most Tories will say. "What about if someone else was in government".
It's easier than accepting that Boris's actions, or specifically inaction, led to 1000's of extra deaths.
Still, if that fails there's always the argument that our death rate isn't counted in the same was as Ecuador's, so when it's all tallied up, we might not be much worse then them.
Are you calling me a Tory?"
No, where did you get that from? I was largely agreeing. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
There you go.
This is probably what most Tories will say. "What about if someone else was in government".
It's easier than accepting that Boris's actions, or specifically inaction, led to 1000's of extra deaths.
Still, if that fails there's always the argument that our death rate isn't counted in the same was as Ecuador's, so when it's all tallied up, we might not be much worse then them.
Are you calling me a Tory?
No, where did you get that from? I was largely agreeing."
I apologise then. It sounded it, I must have misread. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
Which Is completely irrelevant
Exactly. It is irrelevant. That was my whole point.
I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows.
Would labour have done better? Would the libdems done better? The greens? All irrelevant because they weren't in government, the Tories were. Could it have been done better? Of course it could. Different people make different mistakes.
It's all...whataboutary! To quote you Lionel. We can't know if it would have been handed differently at the time because we didn't have the information the government had or the balancing act needed. The knock on effects we aren't aware of. It's much more than just one decision.
Should we have an enquiry. Most certainly. We need to learn for the next time.
The inquiry will be kicked into the long grass.
Its already been shifted from this year, till next spring.
It will be years before anyone finds anything remotely near the truth,by which time those in power at the time will have moved on.
We have seen it time and time again in the past.
Labour should be on their case each day,demanding a truly independent inquiry."
Can you ever have a truly independent enquiry? Only if it was chaired by someone from outside of the country, would it have any gravitas for me.
All governmental enquiries get kicked into the long grass, from whatever colour. Very few ever get to the truth and even fewer will blame anyone as a specific. |
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"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
Which Is completely irrelevant
Exactly. It is irrelevant. That was my whole point.
I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows.
Would labour have done better? Would the libdems done better? The greens? All irrelevant because they weren't in government, the Tories were. Could it have been done better? Of course it could. Different people make different mistakes.
It's all...whataboutary! To quote you Lionel. We can't know if it would have been handed differently at the time because we didn't have the information the government had or the balancing act needed. The knock on effects we aren't aware of. It's much more than just one decision.
Should we have an enquiry. Most certainly. We need to learn for the next time.
The inquiry will be kicked into the long grass.
Its already been shifted from this year, till next spring.
It will be years before anyone finds anything remotely near the truth,by which time those in power at the time will have moved on.
We have seen it time and time again in the past.
Labour should be on their case each day,demanding a truly independent inquiry.
Can you ever have a truly independent enquiry? Only if it was chaired by someone from outside of the country, would it have any gravitas for me.
All governmental enquiries get kicked into the long grass, from whatever colour. Very few ever get to the truth and even fewer will blame anyone as a specific. "
So bit of a waste of time then |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"With the vaccine and lockdown ending, do you think you can forgive the mistakes and actions that have occurred over the last year?"
It does need looking into with all means possible. I doubt it will lead to anything criminal unless its proven they took actions deliberately to kill people. Also it needs to be done as soon as it does not detract from fighting the virus. Ultimately forgiveness is a personal thing and can be demonstrated at the next chance to vote |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
Which Is completely irrelevant
Exactly. It is irrelevant. That was my whole point.
I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows.
Would labour have done better? Would the libdems done better? The greens? All irrelevant because they weren't in government, the Tories were. Could it have been done better? Of course it could. Different people make different mistakes.
It's all...whataboutary! To quote you Lionel. We can't know if it would have been handed differently at the time because we didn't have the information the government had or the balancing act needed. The knock on effects we aren't aware of. It's much more than just one decision.
Should we have an enquiry. Most certainly. We need to learn for the next time.
The inquiry will be kicked into the long grass.
Its already been shifted from this year, till next spring.
It will be years before anyone finds anything remotely near the truth,by which time those in power at the time will have moved on.
We have seen it time and time again in the past.
Labour should be on their case each day,demanding a truly independent inquiry.
Can you ever have a truly independent enquiry? Only if it was chaired by someone from outside of the country, would it have any gravitas for me.
All governmental enquiries get kicked into the long grass, from whatever colour. Very few ever get to the truth and even fewer will blame anyone as a specific.
So bit of a waste of time then"
And a waste of money.
Do you know of one that has been of any use or laid blame anywhere? Enough to get what you are looking for?
But hopefully we can learn something from them, if nothing else. |
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"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
Which Is completely irrelevant
Exactly. It is irrelevant. That was my whole point.
I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows.
Would labour have done better? Would the libdems done better? The greens? All irrelevant because they weren't in government, the Tories were. Could it have been done better? Of course it could. Different people make different mistakes.
It's all...whataboutary! To quote you Lionel. We can't know if it would have been handed differently at the time because we didn't have the information the government had or the balancing act needed. The knock on effects we aren't aware of. It's much more than just one decision.
Should we have an enquiry. Most certainly. We need to learn for the next time.
The inquiry will be kicked into the long grass.
Its already been shifted from this year, till next spring.
It will be years before anyone finds anything remotely near the truth,by which time those in power at the time will have moved on.
We have seen it time and time again in the past.
Labour should be on their case each day,demanding a truly independent inquiry.
Can you ever have a truly independent enquiry? Only if it was chaired by someone from outside of the country, would it have any gravitas for me.
All governmental enquiries get kicked into the long grass, from whatever colour. Very few ever get to the truth and even fewer will blame anyone as a specific.
So bit of a waste of time then
And a waste of money.
Do you know of one that has been of any use or laid blame anywhere? Enough to get what you are looking for?
But hopefully we can learn something from them, if nothing else. "
Not a one.
Even the horrific ones like bloody Sunday come years after nearly everyone involved has died. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With the vaccine and lockdown ending, do you think you can forgive the mistakes and actions that have occurred over the last year?"
Everyone makes mistakes, that i can forgive, but it's the deliberate cover ups and the lies that i can't forgive |
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"With the vaccine and lockdown ending, do you think you can forgive the mistakes and actions that have occurred over the last year?"
No never, the tories knew the mistakes they were making and I believe they made them.on purpose.
r fact this clown actually got.voted in, shows the state the UK is in. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"With the vaccine and lockdown ending, do you think you can forgive the mistakes and actions that have occurred over the last year?"
Lockdown 1.. we didn’t know…
Lockdown 2…. We knew and didn’t act quickly enough and lessons were not learnt
Oh… and I still don’t think June 21st happens |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"With the vaccine and lockdown ending, do you think you can forgive the mistakes and actions that have occurred over the last year?
No never, the tories knew the mistakes they were making and I believe they made them.on purpose.
r fact this clown actually got.voted in, shows the state the UK is in. "
Why do you think mistakes were made on purpose? What were they hoping to gain |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
northeast |
"The government did make mistakes, especially regarding flights etc into the country. The question is what would other governments have done if they had been elected. Which is something we will never know. As they weren't. Quite possibly made the same or similar mistakes, or very unlikely got everything exactly right.
Which Is completely irrelevant
Exactly. It is irrelevant. That was my whole point.
I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows.
Would labour have done better? Would the libdems done better? The greens? All irrelevant because they weren't in government, the Tories were. Could it have been done better? Of course it could. Different people make different mistakes.
It's all...whataboutary! To quote you Lionel. We can't know if it would have been handed differently at the time because we didn't have the information the government had or the balancing act needed. The knock on effects we aren't aware of. It's much more than just one decision.
Should we have an enquiry. Most certainly. We need to learn for the next time.
The inquiry will be kicked into the long grass.
Its already been shifted from this year, till next spring.
It will be years before anyone finds anything remotely near the truth,by which time those in power at the time will have moved on.
We have seen it time and time again in the past.
Labour should be on their case each day,demanding a truly independent inquiry."
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