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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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Ps. I think he at least made-up his story about the Barnard thing - as we all would do to cover up the fact that we made a 'dickish' judgement call in an action that we took. So lets's call that a lie. |
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Yep, I think he is, he was lying before over barnard and i am sure he won't exactly be telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth this time either. If he was happy to lie in that garden press conference I am sure he will have no qualms doing the same with the select committee in my opinion. |
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Of course he lied
Look who is based at The Castle .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/up-to-60m-vaccine-doses-to-be-manufactured-at-barnard-castle-boris-johnson-says-12260230
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/03/high-value-business-travellers-to-be-exempt-from-quarantine-in-england
Just before Durham D left his Job
A law was passed |
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"Ps. I think he at least made-up his story about the Barnard thing - as we all would do to cover up the fact that we made a 'dickish' judgement call in an action that we took. So lets's call that a lie."
The biggest lie was Buggered it up Boris
Didnt come clean until the vaccines were ready .
Did Dom get a copy of the Russia report .
I doubt that will be a Lie
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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Do I think Cummings I'd liar?
No, I don't.
But I do think it will be his version of the truth, one that suits his current agenda. Much in the same way he told his truth over his trip out. |
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I think that DC is a strategic liar - he will lie when it is to his benefit, or tell the truth when it is to his benefit. For him truth is something that is flexible, he sees no special value in honesty, but I suspect all things being equal, he would be capable of being truthful.
On the other hand I see BJ as being a compulsive liar, the sort of person that will lie even if it ends up putting them at a disadvantage. |
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"I think that DC is a strategic liar - he will lie when it is to his benefit, or tell the truth when it is to his benefit. For him truth is something that is flexible, he sees no special value in honesty, but I suspect all things being equal, he would be capable of being truthful.
On the other hand I see BJ as being a compulsive liar, the sort of person that will lie even if it ends up putting them at a disadvantage. "
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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sorry its just a too general question to answer i dont think there are many people who are habitual liars but everyone does now and then. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Don't really care. What is more of an issue is that his ex boss Boris is a habitual liar and nobody seems to mind."
Yet the question is still:
Who here believes Cummings is a liar?
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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?
He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
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sorry its just a too general question to answer i dont think there are many people who are habitual liars but everyone does now and then."
Okay. NP with that. Pretty much said that at the top.  |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?
He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea
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So good enough - knickers on the mast at last - so he has the ability - like everyone else, to lie. Mostly where it suits and for convenience at times.
TY Lionel. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Silly question.. is there an actual point to this thread..apart from asking if someone none of us know very little about a liar?"
There is a total point to it.
If he can lie to suit - then just because he says something doesn't make it the truth, does it?
So the point would be, come Wednesday I hope that that fact is reflected in that understanding.
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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I have also made my position very very clear:
So. What Cumming will say:
'That there was a policy of herd immunity' - I remember us all discussing that idea as it leaked from No10 at the time.
Some of the Science was saying that was the way and other science was saying not in this case because covid is more infectious and deadly than that. (it didn't help to make that judgement clearly at the time when China were hiding their death rates from the world).
But eventually - in one month that Policy was dropped.
What Cumming won't say:
'That there was a policy of herd immunity, being considered' and 'that I was a part of that'.
You mark my words. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?"
Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.
And I will remind you of it too. |
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"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?
Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.
And I will remind you of it too. "
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?
Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.
And I will remind you of it too.
The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?
Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.
And I will remind you of it too.
The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted "
hoisted is the wrong way to go.  |
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"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?
Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.
And I will remind you of it too.
The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted hoisted is the wrong way to go. "
Don't worry ... it won't take much for the knickers of lies to be pulled down... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"So presumably the point of this thread is that, you can say you all called him a liar the other day?
Absolutely. Yes. I have no problem at all with that analysis.
And I will remind you of it too.
The knickers have most definitely been nailed and hoisted hoisted is the wrong way to go.
Don't worry ... it won't take much for the knickers of lies to be pulled down..."
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"Silly question.. is there an actual point to this thread..apart from asking if someone none of us know very little about a liar?
There is a total point to it.
If he can lie to suit - then just because he says something doesn't make it the truth, does it?
So the point would be, come Wednesday I hope that that fact is reflected in that understanding.
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Why wednesday ? |
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How long was he advising the gmnt for again?"
Can we just stick to the accepted abbreviation 'gov'? or maybe govt?
The Lionel version is never going to catch on with anyone else despite constant exposure on here! |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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He’s a lying scheming skilled strategist. Lies comfortably in situations such a Barnard where proof is hard to get. Don’t think he lies when there’s an absolute truth to be seen.
Would I trust his words over Boris?? Absolutely |
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It's not really a very useful question.
There are very few people who lie 100% of the time, or indeed who tell the truth 100% of the time.
Cummings might tell the truth about what this government did, or he might lie. We can only really judge based on the evidence, not by deciding whether or not he is "a liar". |
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"It's not really a very useful question.
There are very few people who lie 100% of the time, or indeed who tell the truth 100% of the time.
Cummings might tell the truth about what this government did, or he might lie. We can only really judge based on the evidence, not by deciding whether or not he is "a liar". "
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sorry its just a too general question to answer i dont think there are many people who are habitual liars but everyone does now and then."
Boris qualifies but the question wasn't about him |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?
He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea
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Given what you have said there, you must be a drinking buddy of Boris! |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?
He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea
So good enough - knickers on the mast at last - so he has the ability - like everyone else, to lie. Mostly where it suits and for convenience at times.
TY Lionel. "
Yes like everyone he can lie. He is clever enough to do it in a way that its hard or impossible to prove otherwise. During the specsavers time to the castle I clearly said he should face the same punishment as anyone else. At the time several wanted extra punishment for him. I do wonder if Boris or his other aides let him do the castle press conference knowing it would discredit him and that may pay dividends later if he ever turned on them like he has now. Knickers on mast Cat, feel free to remove lol |
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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?
He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea
So good enough - knickers on the mast at last - so he has the ability - like everyone else, to lie. Mostly where it suits and for convenience at times.
TY Lionel.
Yes like everyone he can lie. He is clever enough to do it in a way that its hard or impossible to prove otherwise. During the specsavers time to the castle I clearly said he should face the same punishment as anyone else. At the time several wanted extra punishment for him. I do wonder if Boris or his other aides let him do the castle press conference knowing it would discredit him and that may pay dividends later if he ever turned on them like he has now. Knickers on mast Cat, feel free to remove lol"
Of course Buggered it up Johnson didnt let him do it .
Cummings went to glaxo welcome at Durham & the castle as that is the site that was producing the 1st batches of
The Vaccine . Contracts had to be finalised
With his expert eyes & deals were done .
If theyd just said that in the 1st place people may have accepted
His rule breaking as actually doing some good .
They couldnt though as the vaccine hadnt been finalised . |
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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?
He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea
Given what you have said there, you must be a drinking buddy of Boris! "
Alex speaks on parliament and (supposedly)has to answer questions.
Cummings doesn't |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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Is someone I dont know and kmow nothing about a liar?
He probally lied about the castle thing..he is an habitual liar..how on earth could any of us know...I've absolutely no idea
So good enough - knickers on the mast at last - so he has the ability - like everyone else, to lie. Mostly where it suits and for convenience at times.
TY Lionel.
Yes like everyone he can lie. He is clever enough to do it in a way that its hard or impossible to prove otherwise. During the specsavers time to the castle I clearly said he should face the same punishment as anyone else. At the time several wanted extra punishment for him. I do wonder if Boris or his other aides let him do the castle press conference knowing it would discredit him and that may pay dividends later if he ever turned on them like he has now. Knickers on mast Cat, feel free to remove lol
Of course Buggered it up Johnson didnt let him do it .
Cummings went to glaxo welcome at Durham & the castle as that is the site that was producing the 1st batches of
The Vaccine . Contracts had to be finalised
With his expert eyes & deals were done .
If theyd just said that in the 1st place people may have accepted
His rule breaking as actually doing some good .
They couldnt though as the vaccine hadnt been finalised ."
I did say I wonder if.....
As I say he is very good at coming up with statements that are very hard to disprove |
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If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.
As it was they bent over backwards to excuse him,even giving him his own press conference and succeeded in only discrediting themselves and allowing a whole culture of 'well they do it,why shouldn't we? |
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"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.
As it was they bent over backwards to excuse him,even giving him his own press conference and succeeded in only discrediting themselves and allowing a whole culture of 'well they do it,why shouldn't we?"
They knew he had to much knowledge
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"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.
As it was they bent over backwards to excuse him,even giving him his own press conference and succeeded in only discrediting themselves and allowing a whole culture of 'well they do it,why shouldn't we?
They knew he had to much knowledge
Keep your friends close
Keep your enemies closer. "
Yep he had a massive hold over them. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.
As it was they bent over backwards to excuse him,even giving him his own press conference and succeeded in only discrediting themselves and allowing a whole culture of 'well they do it,why shouldn't we?"
I too thought he would go at the time and later quietly come back but they chose to go down the press conference route. Personally I don't think D.C. done his credibility any good in the whole saga. Maybe you feel he was ok and ended with credibility intact but not for me. This is my opinion , I'm not claiming facts |
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"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.
As it was they bent over backwards to excuse him,even giving him his own press conference and succeeded in only discrediting themselves and allowing a whole culture of 'well they do it,why shouldn't we?
I too thought he would go at the time and later quietly come back but they chose to go down the press conference route. Personally I don't think D.C. done his credibility any good in the whole saga. Maybe you feel he was ok and ended with credibility intact but not for me. This is my opinion , I'm not claiming facts"
He was a charlaton then and he is a charlaton now.
The difference is,I wasnt defending him 12 months agom |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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His Barnard Castle explanation in the back garden of Downing Street was an illustration of how a pathological liar can lie so effectively that he absolutely believed that his lies were true.
Interestingly, back then Johnson and the whole cabinet supported Cummings. Now they claim that he is “mistaken” in his recollections about Herd Immunity, Johnson’s lack of responsibility and the ineptitude of the Cabinet.
If he (Cummings) has receipts and he presents those receipts tomorrow there will have to be some furious back-peddling by those who are currently accusing him of being “mistaken.”
Personally speaking and for three reasons - I hope that he has kept the receipts and they are aired. 1) The families of those who died deserve to hear about the Governments incompetence. 2) Johnson needs exposing for what he is, as often as possible. 3) The theatre that will result from the publication of the receipts. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"If they would have jettisoned him at the time, it would have blown over.
As it was they bent over backwards to excuse him,even giving him his own press conference and succeeded in only discrediting themselves and allowing a whole culture of 'well they do it,why shouldn't we?
I too thought he would go at the time and later quietly come back but they chose to go down the press conference route. Personally I don't think D.C. done his credibility any good in the whole saga. Maybe you feel he was ok and ended with credibility intact but not for me. This is my opinion , I'm not claiming facts
He was a charlaton then and he is a charlaton now.
The difference is,I wasnt defending him 12 months agom"
actually neither did I but did say he should face the same punishment as everyone elsedo you think the account he gave helped or hindered his credablity |
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His Barnard Castle explanation in the back garden of Downing Street was an illustration of how a pathological liar can lie so effectively that he absolutely believed that his lies were true.
Interestingly, back then Johnson and the whole cabinet supported Cummings. Now they claim that he is “mistaken” in his recollections about Herd Immunity, Johnson’s lack of responsibility and the ineptitude of the Cabinet.
If he (Cummings) has receipts and he presents those receipts tomorrow there will have to be some furious back-peddling by those who are currently accusing him of being “mistaken.”
Personally speaking and for three reasons - I hope that he has kept the receipts and they are aired. 1) The families of those who died deserve to hear about the Governments incompetence. 2) Johnson needs exposing for what he is, as often as possible. 3) The theatre that will result from the publication of the receipts."
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Well he's started his evidence and if the first few minutes is a taster then a lot of skeletons are going to be uncovered today.
Opened with an apology for thousands of unnecessary deaths and said the government (and himself) have let the country down. |
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"Well he's started his evidence and if the first few minutes is a taster then a lot of skeletons are going to be uncovered today.
Opened with an apology for thousands of unnecessary deaths and said the government (and himself) have let the country down. "
I remember people getting actually slated for saying they didnt take it seriously at the start. |
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"Hancock getting thrown under the bus
That is exactly what I was about to say…. It sounds like the department of health was an absolute shambles "
The entire gmnt was.
Letting that clown anywhere near a situation this serous was borderline criminal.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Hancock getting thrown under the bus
That is exactly what I was about to say…. It sounds like the department of health was an absolute shambles
The entire gmnt was.
Letting that clown anywhere near a situation this serous was borderline criminal.
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Who knew that Jeremy hunt was actually the more competent health secretary…. Boris isn’t coming out of this looking good either…
The winner in all this so far has been rishi Sunak! This is being teed up for him to be the next pm! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Inject me live on tv...genuinely frightening we have an actual moron running the country.
He also said Corbyn was worst"
Actually… he didn’t!
What he actually is that the political classes need to take a look at themselves for giving us a choice between Johnson and Corbyn……. |
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It doesn't matter if you have got great people doing communications..if the pm changes his mind 10 times a day and then calls up the media and contradicts his policy..you are going to have a disaster zone '
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"It doesn't matter if you have got great people doing communications..if the pm changes his mind 10 times a day and then calls up the media and contradicts his policy..you are going to have a disaster zone '
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Certainly Cummings perspective on it. |
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Finding this really difficult tbh. He is coming across as a reasonable, rational human being. Admitting blame. Even potentially has a better story than the Rose Garden (but he can't tell us, obvs).
Might need a day or two to recalibrate... |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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This really is quite damning stuff isn’t it!!
He is basically articulating the failures from within that the critics on the outside have been surmising for the last 18 months.
Johnson is out of his depth - check
Hancock is lying Charlatan - check
Johnson is chaotic and lacks focus - check
The Govts Covid response was shambolic - check
Ten of thousands died unnecessarily - check
I mean this is what critics on the outside have been saying all along - and here we have the same allegations being confirmed - from the inside.
Is he (Cummings) still a liar? Probably - but what exactly is his motive for lying about these things? |
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"This really is quite damning stuff isn’t it!!
He is basically articulating the failures from within that the critics on the outside have been surmising for the last 18 months.
Johnson is out of his depth - check
Hancock is lying Charlatan - check
Johnson is chaotic and lacks focus - check
The Govts Covid response was shambolic - check
Ten of thousands died unnecessarily - check
I mean this is what critics on the outside have been saying all along - and here we have the same allegations being confirmed - from the inside.
Is he (Cummings) still a liar? Probably - but what exactly is his motive for lying about these things? "
They have basically let 1000s of people die.Can you get any more damming than that?
Procurement is a shambles and they have lied all the way through.
We are governed by incompetents,liars and trumpesque buffoons but it will make no difference. |
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Tbh there were mistakes made in every governments initial response globally to what was a massive issue..
To have made the same mistakes in the September with all the information available from the first wave was criminally negligent, end of.. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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So the let the bodies pile high comments were true. Wow…..
I can’t quite figure out if The stuff in the lead up to lockdown 2 was just incompetent or criminally negligent.. it sounds like they learnt nothing….
Also if it is true Hancock lied about the care home situation.. that is sackable enough on its own…
Also interesting that it was Johnson alone who thought it was a good idea to pick a fight with Marcus rashford |
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over a year ago
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"Not a fan of Boris or the conservative,s they and the rest of the political people are all full of bullshit and wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked them in the face"
I wouldn't trust them or Cummings. |
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The comment early on about Jeremy Hunt being a better Health Secretary...get real, it was on his watch too that we had a test exercise which proved we couldn't handle a pandemic and he left DH unprepared with no plan or procurement. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The most disappointing thing about all of this is to see the respected and highly regarded contributors to the political forum positively salivating at the comments made today by a man who a year ago was being hung drawn and quartered for being nothing more than a bare-faced lier.
The spirit of the Westminster political bubble is very much alive here in Fabland
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No one is saying that he isn't an untrustworthy liar, but what is his motivation to lie now?
All he has done is validate the speculation, rumour and innuendo that has been floating around for the last 15 months and confirmed it to be true.
How more honest could he be on this occasion by saying that the political system in the UK should have been more robust than to let anyone like him (Ciummings) get anywhere near Downing Street. He acknowledged his failures, he apologised and he (seemingly) laid out the truth that had been speculated for more than a year. |
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"I have not understood from day one as to how Hancock has retained his position or even got it. "
Goes for the majority of ministers really.
Ohh, Yes, Get Brexit Done was the only thing you had to say over and over to be appointed by Boris. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"The most disappointing thing about all of this is to see the respected and highly regarded contributors to the political forum positively salivating at the comments made today by a man who a year ago was being hung drawn and quartered for being nothing more than a bare-faced lier.
The spirit of the Westminster political bubble is very much alive here in Fabland
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Because it suits many people's agendas. He's either a liar or he's not. If he is and I suspect he is, then the feeding _renzy on here is a wonder to behold! |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
I agree rishi is probably smiling underneath knowing he is coming out of this quite well placed. The scene described by Cummings of half of downing street talking with Americans about bombing Iraq, the other half discussing the pandemic and all the time the PM's girlfriend going mad about her dog was like some sort of sitcom. For motive I am guessing revenge. He is not the type to get on the wrong side of. Could we be seeing heads roll? |
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"I agree rishi is probably smiling underneath knowing he is coming out of this quite well placed. The scene described by Cummings of half of downing street talking with Americans about bombing Iraq, the other half discussing the pandemic and all the time the PM's girlfriend going mad about her dog was like some sort of sitcom. For motive I am guessing revenge. He is not the type to get on the wrong side of. Could we be seeing heads roll?"
I don't think so. |
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"I agree rishi is probably smiling underneath knowing he is coming out of this quite well placed. The scene described by Cummings of half of downing street talking with Americans about bombing Iraq, the other half discussing the pandemic and all the time the PM's girlfriend going mad about her dog was like some sort of sitcom. For motive I am guessing revenge. He is not the type to get on the wrong side of. Could we be seeing heads roll?"
In order to be in this cabinet you had to have been sacked or left it before...what goes around... |
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There is obviously a lot of bitterness there. As interesting as dishing the dirt is... And as much as it backs up many of the things that people have been saying. You can't have advisors washing this kind of dirty laundry in public. I don't think anyone is surprised he got his sharp knives out. Whether it's for the good of the country or not is debatable. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The most disappointing thing about all of this is to see the respected and highly regarded contributors to the political forum positively salivating at the comments made today by a man who a year ago was being hung drawn and quartered for being nothing more than a bare-faced lier.
The spirit of the Westminster political bubble is very much alive here in Fabland
Because it suits many people's agendas. He's either a liar or he's not. If he is and I suspect he is, then the feeding _renzy on here is a wonder to behold! "
I think that you will find the whole of the country is somewhat perplexed by all this.
Bottom line is that Johnson invited Cummings into the heart of Government.
This will reverberate and I am sure that there will be consequences.
It is all just too much now. |
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"It is all just too much now."
You think? There is enough evidence above that Tory votes will just shrug and move on.
Brexit has gone really well, after all, and that is all anyone wanted.
Although I opened the first thread on here over a year ago about when Boris was going to go and whether Sunak would replace him I am beginning to think that decency has left the building and he is safe for the foreseeable...
I hope I am wrong. Every day I am more ashamed to be British. |
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By *9alMan
over a year ago
Bridgend |
"I hope he has a good pension plan because anyone else who employed him would be a fool  "
although the governments handling of Covid has been shambolic it has not got any worse since D C left No.10 so shows he is as incompetent as the rest of them |
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"I agree rishi is probably smiling underneath knowing he is coming out of this quite well placed. The scene described by Cummings of half of downing street talking with Americans about bombing Iraq, the other half discussing the pandemic and all the time the PM's girlfriend going mad about her dog was like some sort of sitcom. For motive I am guessing revenge. He is not the type to get on the wrong side of. Could we be seeing heads roll?"
None of Boris's ministers heads will role while Boris is in power. |
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"I agree rishi is probably smiling underneath knowing he is coming out of this quite well placed. The scene described by Cummings of half of downing street talking with Americans about bombing Iraq, the other half discussing the pandemic and all the time the PM's girlfriend going mad about her dog was like some sort of sitcom. For motive I am guessing revenge. He is not the type to get on the wrong side of. Could we be seeing heads roll?
In order to be in this cabinet you had to have been sacked or left it before...what goes around..."
That's very true
I've never known a UK government that rewards and champions failure as this one does. |
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"The most disappointing thing about all of this is to see the respected and highly regarded contributors to the political forum positively salivating at the comments made today by a man who a year ago was being hung drawn and quartered for being nothing more than a bare-faced lier.
The spirit of the Westminster political bubble is very much alive here in Fabland
Because it suits many people's agendas. He's either a liar or he's not. If he is and I suspect he is, then the feeding _renzy on here is a wonder to behold!
I think that you will find the whole of the country is somewhat perplexed by all this.
Bottom line is that Johnson invited Cummings into the heart of Government.
This will reverberate and I am sure that there will be consequences.
It is all just too much now."
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"There is obviously a lot of bitterness there. As interesting as dishing the dirt is... And as much as it backs up many of the things that people have been saying. You can't have advisors washing this kind of dirty laundry in public. I don't think anyone is surprised he got his sharp knives out. Whether it's for the good of the country or not is debatable. "
What was he supposed to do… lie to a parliamentary committee and found in contempt….
Actually knowing that Johnson and cummings both spoke to Laura kuensburg at the bbc and were briefing her off the record as a Downing Street source I went back and listened to a 2 part podcast she did commemorating 1yr of covid and the progress and pitfalls…
It’s puts that in such a different light |
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Brexit has gone really well, after all, and that is all anyone wanted.
Really? "
Sorry - I should have made clearer that I was being ironic.
To be clear, the _only_ thing that I think this government has done to an acceptable level is the vaccine roll-out. Even there I question whether we needed to be as greedy as we have been and have a fear that the rest of world being deprived of the vaccines we have snaffled may lead to us being hit by a resistant variant at some point in the future.
I think Brexit, both in conception, half arsed planning and execution has been and continues to be a disaster. I am convinced it will end the union, and perhaps lead for further loss of life in the island of Ireland.
I am still hopeful that some very senior members of government will end up in prison on manslaughter charges for the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, but I realise the burden of proof on that is pretty high. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Watching Cummings “highlights” on the evening news and the highlights were worse than the live event.
This was beyond appalling.
Did we think that Government had a handle on this? No, but they assured us they were. It appears now that they were not.
If Hancock dies on this hill, he won’t be the only one. |
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The reason Boris and Hancock are still where they are is no one wants to carry the can for the mess or clear up their mess or inherit their mess. Leaving them there to struggle through the quagmire and face up to their responsibilities.
Quite rightly. Watch how they get lambasted now. The kitchen is on gas mark 10. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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"The only red faces on here are the ones who seemed to be suffering from some sort of amnesia as they were all defending him last year.
Worrying "
It is worrying. I don't remember many, if any defending him. What I do remember is a lot of people saying he was a lying scumbag, who couldn't be trusted. |
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"The only red faces on here are the ones who seemed to be suffering from some sort of amnesia as they were all defending him last year.
Worrying
It is worrying. I don't remember many, if any defending him. What I do remember is a lot of people saying he was a lying scumbag, who couldn't be trusted. "
I can remember it vividly
As can other posters
Strange.
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It looks like we can safely ignore what Dominic Cummings has to say . I am surprised that anyone could even be bothered listening to him . See quote below .
"But in the short term, “ministers believe that Cummings’s evidence will hold little sway with the public”, says Steven Swinford in The Times. A YouGov poll for the newspaper found that only 14% of people trusted Cummings to tell the truth about how the government handled the coronavirus outbreak, compared with 38% for Johnson. " |
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"It looks like we can safely ignore what Dominic Cummings has to say . I am surprised that anyone could even be bothered listening to him . See quote below .
"But in the short term, “ministers believe that Cummings’s evidence will hold little sway with the public”, says Steven Swinford in The Times. A YouGov poll for the newspaper found that only 14% of people trusted Cummings to tell the truth about how the government handled the coronavirus outbreak, compared with 38% for Johnson. ""
They must all feel very proud of that achievement... |
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"It looks like we can safely ignore what Dominic Cummings has to say . I am surprised that anyone could even be bothered listening to him . See quote below .
"But in the short term, “ministers believe that Cummings’s evidence will hold little sway with the public”, says Steven Swinford in The Times. A YouGov poll for the newspaper found that only 14% of people trusted Cummings to tell the truth about how the government handled the coronavirus outbreak, compared with 38% for Johnson. ""
Reading your posts on here gives me the impression you could be one of them 420 friendly type of guys |
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"i dont know about others.
but who do you really trust?
and why would you?"
Trouble is.. Even if St Peter paul and David Attenborough were in charge.... The media would twist things to foment distrust. They thrive on it |
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So far it is just his word against others. What he needs to do is provide some firm evidence to back up his version of events. I think he may be planning to do that at some point, most likely when it causes most damage |
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jeremy the visionary was going to lead labour to a new dawn..... the young voters were behind him... several years on he is just a sad old man with some shit ideas and a cap!
Thats the trouble with the truth! visionary or dreamer? most of the debates are not factual or provable they are just someones view on the subject... place your bets place your bets and spin the wheel of truth.... roll up roll up..... heard immunity or lock down.... boom or bust.... |
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over a year ago
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Ha- a liar saying another liar is telling lies and is judged as being a liar.
But worse, lie to the public.
Be careful what you incite and don’t be surprised for the devil to bite you back= moral of the story |
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"So far it is just his word against others. What he needs to do is provide some firm evidence to back up his version of events. I think he may be planning to do that at some point, most likely when it causes most damage "
I'm certain that DC will produce the evidence. Whatever else he may be (sociopathic perhaps?), he is clearly not stupid, he was very likely the most intelligent person in Downing Street at the time. He will have copies of everything he needed to protect himself, and the only thing which might deter him from releasing some items would be the need to avoid incriminating himself. However his framing himself as the victim, the one attempting to preserve lives but being continually overruled by the stupidity and cruelty of the cabinet, perfectly positions him to show the lot.
The aphorism "revenge is a dish best served cold" might be very applicable to his actions. Make verbal statements. Allow members of the government to deny things. Then produce physical evidence to crucify them. Covid may just be the start, I'm would imagine that he has the dirt on every single one of them back to the first day that he commenced working for Mr Johnson.
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"So far it is just his word against others. What he needs to do is provide some firm evidence to back up his version of events. I think he may be planning to do that at some point, most likely when it causes most damage
I'm certain that DC will produce the evidence. Whatever else he may be (sociopathic perhaps?), he is clearly not stupid, he was very likely the most intelligent person in Downing Street at the time. He will have copies of everything he needed to protect himself, and the only thing which might deter him from releasing some items would be the need to avoid incriminating himself. However his framing himself as the victim, the one attempting to preserve lives but being continually overruled by the stupidity and cruelty of the cabinet, perfectly positions him to show the lot.
The aphorism "revenge is a dish best served cold" might be very applicable to his actions. Make verbal statements. Allow members of the government to deny things. Then produce physical evidence to crucify them. Covid may just be the start, I'm would imagine that he has the dirt on every single one of them back to the first day that he commenced working for Mr Johnson.
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It's quite interesting the bodies piled high comment has not recieved much coverage, seeing as the buffoon stood up in parliament and said he didnt say it.
Its also quite funny the Tories turning on Cummings now for lying, when they are run by a man who wouldnt know the truth if it got into bed with him. |
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