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"From your article: "A deal would "allow UK farmers even greater access to growing consumer markets in Asia", the DIT said, adding that it would ****not**** allow importers to undercut the farming industry or food standards."" Yes all at the expense of the British Farmer . | |||
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"Look into the size of farms in Australia . The beef farms are based on the American hormone reared systems . Not so many stockyards but certainly not healthy . Australia defends the hormones as resulting in good quality beef. Just like 20 Marlborough are a good quality smoke . Risk is they both may cause cancer . " We must also look at the amount of energy wasted shipping then half way around the world . | |||
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"From your article: "A deal would "allow UK farmers even greater access to growing consumer markets in Asia", the DIT said, adding that it would ****not**** allow importers to undercut the farming industry or food standards." Yes all at the expense of the British Farmer . " You obviously missed the word ****not**** and access to more markets for our farmers. And also the get real bit . . . no more subsidies. Savings for the Taxpayer to the tune of £2.4Billion a year. | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not "Hardly supports what you 'want' it to be, however. | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that. "And that is the biggest change that will benefit all of us.  | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not "Farming soon went off topic. | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not
Hardly supports what you 'want' it to be, however."What makes you think i want anything to Be ? | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that. "So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not
Hardly supports what you 'want' it to be, however.
What makes you think i want anything to Be ?"In truth, I don't actually care. You just keep writing random lists which are just your thoughts on Boris really and not much to do with the OP. But with regard to your article, what I wrote above is 'probably' the future of Farming. No more subsidies. No more free money to farming where it doesn't fit a particular need. Greater access to markets in Asia and Oceania. | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not
Hardly supports what you 'want' it to be, however.
What makes you think i want anything to Be ?
In truth, I don't actually care. You just keep writing random lists which are just your thoughts on Boris really and not much to do with the OP.
But with regard to your article, what I wrote above is 'probably' the future of Farming.
No more subsidies. No more free money to farming where it doesn't fit a particular need. Greater access to markets in Asia and Oceania."Random lists ? WTF are you on about . The Op clearly states British Farmers are p#ssed off . You decided to get involved . What have you offered to this entire thread ? | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not
Hardly supports what you 'want' it to be, however.
What makes you think i want anything to Be ?
In truth, I don't actually care. You just keep writing random lists which are just your thoughts on Boris really and not much to do with the OP.
But with regard to your article, what I wrote above is 'probably' the future of Farming.
No more subsidies. No more free money to farming where it doesn't fit a particular need. Greater access to markets in Asia and Oceania.
Random lists ?
WTF are you on about .
The Op clearly states British Farmers are p#ssed off .
You decided to get involved .
What have you offered to this entire thread ?"Who cares. | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not
Hardly supports what you 'want' it to be, however.
What makes you think i want anything to Be ?
In truth, I don't actually care. You just keep writing random lists which are just your thoughts on Boris really and not much to do with the OP.
But with regard to your article, what I wrote above is 'probably' the future of Farming.
No more subsidies. No more free money to farming where it doesn't fit a particular need. Greater access to markets in Asia and Oceania.
Random lists ?
WTF are you on about .
The Op clearly states British Farmers are p#ssed off .
You decided to get involved .
What have you offered to this entire thread ?
Who cares. "Good Leave it for those that might TTFN | |||
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"Sorry about the bubble burst, but I will answer what I when I want. " Que ? Is that the British Language ? What i when i want ? | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that. "If it was for environment alone . . . Then maybe subsidies would properly fit. But remember those Sites of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI) payments, didn't they catch quite a few planting rare plants to get the subsidies? | |||
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"And here is me thinking only adults were allowed on this site "Whatever gave you that idea ? | |||
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"Surely this was all in the terms and conditions of Brexit. Surely people knew this, when they voted. Didn't they ??" And we still have an Agricultural deal with the EU.  | |||
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"Surely this was all in the terms and conditions of Brexit. Surely people knew this, when they voted. Didn't they ?? And we still have an Agricultural deal with the EU. "The UK has left CAP https://ukandeu.ac.uk/food-and-agriculture-post-brexit/ | |||
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"Surely this was all in the terms and conditions of Brexit. Surely people knew this, when they voted. Didn't they ?? And we still have an Agricultural deal with the EU.
The UK has left CAP
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/food-and-agriculture-post-brexit/
""import tariffs on agricultural products to the EU have been agreed and there will be none." | |||
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"Surely this was all in the terms and conditions of Brexit. Surely people knew this, when they voted. Didn't they ?? And we still have an Agricultural deal with the EU.
The UK has left CAP
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/food-and-agriculture-post-brexit/
"import tariffs on agricultural products to the EU have been agreed and there will be none."
"That has nothing to do with the deal between Uk & australia. Neither of these groups of Farmers are EU members. | |||
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"The CAP was floored by applying the same rules regardless of farm size. Being from Lincolnshire I’ve seen the abuse big land owners made of the CAP. On the others side the small farmers trying to keep their livelihoods have only survived due to the CAP. It needed reform. But now we are out I can’t see this government defending the small farmers. Environmental subsidy on a 200 acre farm.. How’s that going to work ?? Policy not written yet so no rush then. ., does anyone know if farmers are still receiving subsidy as I don’t know! " Didnt the uk gov take it up until they devise there own system ? The transition period last for 1q months i think | |||
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"Its will continue until the new system is in place, there has been reductions on large scale pay outs, the national trust is one of the biggest recipients in the uk. " you have stated two very valid points | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that. "I agree with this policy. I just don't agree with allowing our livestock and dairy farmers to potentially be outcompeted by US style industrial farms, quite literally on the other side of the world. As for greater market access in South East Asia, people realise that there's a pretty big proportion of these populations who: A.) Are lactose intolerant. B.) Are vegetarian/vegan due to culture/faith. Obviously there is a market for meat and dairy, I'm just wondering how overstated market demand is, given that the US, Australia, and NZ are already big players in the Pacific and will be looking to increase their share of a market they already have a hold in. | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
I agree with this policy.
I just don't agree with allowing our livestock and dairy farmers to potentially be outcompeted by US style industrial farms, quite literally on the other side of the world.
As for greater market access in South East Asia, people realise that there's a pretty big proportion of these populations who:
A.) Are lactose intolerant.
B.) Are vegetarian/vegan due to culture/faith.
Obviously there is a market for meat and dairy, I'm just wondering how overstated market demand is, given that the US, Australia, and NZ are already big players in the Pacific and will be looking to increase their share of a market they already have a hold in."The usa are not in this trade partnership. | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
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"Come back when we have signed an ‘improved ‘ trade deal, "Sorry to bubble burst again - but I'll be where I want when I want. Tell you what, you prove that no deals have been improved. Then you come back and ask again. | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, "Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal. | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, "Still waiting for you to look. And if you don't go and look - you will be waiting forever won't you. But as long as that is convenient to your story. No surprise there then. | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal."Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? "Exactly so why are you still on about them then? | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?"I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left "You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then? | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then? "The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post "Improved from what? | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?"What we had, | |||
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"Go do the work. I have opened 7 so far and each talks about 'improvement' on previous agreements all 'add more' to the agreement than in the previous agreement. So stop waiting, and answer the question for yourself. " | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, "They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings. | |||
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"Go do the work. I have opened 7 so far and each talks about 'improvement' on previous agreements all 'add more' to the agreement than in the previous agreement. So stop waiting, and answer the question for yourself. "Only 3 thumbs  | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings."It doesn’t worry me, but thanks for trying to answer, much appreciated | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post "You have been told that too - at least 3 times. So now I'll just assume that you are trolling. | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings.
It doesn’t worry me, but thanks for trying to answer, much appreciated "There you go then im glad i can help with your angsty rest assured they are the same or better. | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings.
It doesn’t worry me, but thanks for trying to answer, much appreciated There you go then im glad i can help with your angsty rest assured they are the same or better. "Angsty?? | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings.
It doesn’t worry me, but thanks for trying to answer, much appreciated There you go then im glad i can help with your angsty rest assured they are the same or better.
Angsty?? "typo sorry didnt mean to cause any more stress.  | |||
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"Angsty is a proper word. " Every days a school day | |||
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"Angsty is a proper word. Every days a school day "Suits here too lol. | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings.
It doesn’t worry me, but thanks for trying to answer, much appreciated There you go then im glad i can help with your angsty rest assured they are the same or better.
Angsty?? typo sorry didnt mean to cause any more stress. "I wasn’t questioning the validity of the word, I was question your assumption I was ‘angsty’ based on asking a question | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings.
It doesn’t worry me, but thanks for trying to answer, much appreciated There you go then im glad i can help with your angsty rest assured they are the same or better.
Angsty?? typo sorry didnt mean to cause any more stress.
I wasn’t questioning the validity of the word, I was question your assumption I was ‘angsty’ based on asking a question "Yes you was. | |||
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"Angsty is a proper word. Every days a school day "It’s also a worry trend that you keep questioning a persons mood and mental health on here when their opinions differ from yours | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings.
It doesn’t worry me, but thanks for trying to answer, much appreciated There you go then im glad i can help with your angsty rest assured they are the same or better.
Angsty?? typo sorry didnt mean to cause any more stress.
I wasn’t questioning the validity of the word, I was question your assumption I was ‘angsty’ based on asking a question "What the same thing several times ? it seemed to me you was. | |||
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"I think I am going to be waiting a while yet, Yes i guess you will its best not rush these things but i doubt you will be waiting 2 decades like the mercosur deal.
Probably not, but what the EU are doing is now irrelevant ? Exactly so why are you still on about them then?
I never mentioned the EU, I am talking about signing and implementing new trade deals since we left You've been told we have signed plenty 60 odd to date so what you on about then?
The clue is in the word ‘improved’ I have used it on every post Improved from what?
What we had, They are either the same or improved i haven't gone through every deal personally but then again i dont really feel the need to.Im sure you can if it worries you so much so let me know when you have the findings.
It doesn’t worry me, but thanks for trying to answer, much appreciated There you go then im glad i can help with your angsty rest assured they are the same or better.
Angsty?? typo sorry didnt mean to cause any more stress.
I wasn’t questioning the validity of the word, I was question your assumption I was ‘angsty’ based on asking a question What the same thing several times ? it seemed to me you was."Again, making an assumption on a persons mental health, worrying trend | |||
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"So many people arguing about things they actually have no idea or link to. Some are just arguing for the sake of it. No interest or knowledge on the subject in hand. Still that's trolling for you!" Indeed it is. Might be nice to have political discussion on a political forum rather than this constant sniping too. | |||
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"Angsty is a proper word. Every days a school day
It’s also a worry trend that you keep questioning a persons mood and mental health on here when their opinions differ from yours "You have to look out for people these days its got a lot worse with the pandemic and if you see a worrying trend its best to try and help rather than ignore it. | |||
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"Angsty is a proper word. Every days a school day
It’s also a worry trend that you keep questioning a persons mood and mental health on here when their opinions differ from yours You have to look out for people these days its got a lot worse with the pandemic and if you see a worrying trend its best to try and help rather than ignore it."Poor effort, how about stop making assumptions on a sex site forum? Name calling isn’t a good look | |||
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"Angsty is a proper word. Every days a school day
It’s also a worry trend that you keep questioning a persons mood and mental health on here when their opinions differ from yours You have to look out for people these days its got a lot worse with the pandemic and if you see a worrying trend its best to try and help rather than ignore it.
Poor effort, how about stop making assumptions on a sex site forum? Name calling isn’t a good look "i guess im just a caring person who try's to answer the questions.Why haven’t we signed any ‘improved ‘ trade deals? I will ask again, why haven’t we signed any ‘improved ‘ trade deals Come back when we have signed an improved trade deal Still waiting, Let’s hope we start ‘signing’ and ‘ implementing ‘ improved’ trade deals soon, | |||
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"Angsty is a proper word. Every days a school day
It’s also a worry trend that you keep questioning a persons mood and mental health on here when their opinions differ from yours You have to look out for people these days its got a lot worse with the pandemic and if you see a worrying trend its best to try and help rather than ignore it.
Poor effort, how about stop making assumptions on a sex site forum? Name calling isn’t a good look i guess im just a caring person who try's to answer the questions.Why haven’t we signed any ‘improved ‘ trade deals?
I will ask again, why haven’t we signed any ‘improved ‘ trade deals
Come back when we have signed an improved trade deal
Still waiting,
Let’s hope we start ‘signing’ and ‘ implementing ‘ improved’ trade deals soon,
"ngsty: informal. : feeling, showing, or expressing anxiety, apprehension, or insecurity : marked by angst angsty teenagers angsty song lyrics. Poor effort mate and not the first time | |||
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"Angsty is a proper word. Every days a school day
It’s also a worry trend that you keep questioning a persons mood and mental health on here when their opinions differ from yours You have to look out for people these days its got a lot worse with the pandemic and if you see a worrying trend its best to try and help rather than ignore it.
Poor effort, how about stop making assumptions on a sex site forum? Name calling isn’t a good look i guess im just a caring person who try's to answer the questions.Why haven’t we signed any ‘improved ‘ trade deals?
I will ask again, why haven’t we signed any ‘improved ‘ trade deals
Come back when we have signed an improved trade deal
Still waiting,
Let’s hope we start ‘signing’ and ‘ implementing ‘ improved’ trade deals soon,
ngsty:
informal. : feeling, showing, or expressing anxiety, apprehension, or insecurity : marked by angst angsty teenagers angsty song lyrics.
Poor effort mate and not the first time
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"Angsty is a proper word. Every days a school day
It’s also a worry trend that you keep questioning a persons mood and mental health on here when their opinions differ from yours You have to look out for people these days its got a lot worse with the pandemic and if you see a worrying trend its best to try and help rather than ignore it.
Poor effort, how about stop making assumptions on a sex site forum? Name calling isn’t a good look i guess im just a caring person who try's to answer the questions.Why haven’t we signed any ‘improved ‘ trade deals?
I will ask again, why haven’t we signed any ‘improved ‘ trade deals
Come back when we have signed an improved trade deal
Still waiting,
Let’s hope we start ‘signing’ and ‘ implementing ‘ improved’ trade deals soon,
ngsty:
informal. : feeling, showing, or expressing anxiety, apprehension, or insecurity : marked by angst angsty teenagers angsty song lyrics.
Poor effort mate and not the first time
all those questions posted by you and answered one after the other. "That’s ok then, keep on name calling and questioning a persons mental health, again . Its a worrying trend , you obviously don’t see a problem | |||
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"UK farmers have sounded the alarm over reports the government plans a trade deal with Australia that would make its food and farming imports cheaper. The move is being considered as part of a free trade pact with Australia the UK government hopes will be a springboard for similar deals with other countries. Another Brexit Bonus ? " Hold on a minute! For five years remainers have moaned and moaned ad nauseum that food prices would spiral upwards after Brexit. Now they are moaning that food will be cheaper!
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"UK farmers have sounded the alarm over reports the government plans a trade deal with Australia that would make its food and farming imports cheaper. The move is being considered as part of a free trade pact with Australia the UK government hopes will be a springboard for similar deals with other countries. Another Brexit Bonus ? Hold on a minute! For five years remainers have moaned and moaned ad nauseum that food prices would spiral upwards after Brexit. Now they are moaning that food will be cheaper!
FFS take a day off."They are a fickle bunch mate you should know that by now. | |||
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"UK farmers have sounded the alarm over reports the government plans a trade deal with Australia that would make its food and farming imports cheaper. The move is being considered as part of a free trade pact with Australia the UK government hopes will be a springboard for similar deals with other countries. Another Brexit Bonus ? Hold on a minute! For five years remainers have moaned and moaned ad nauseum that food prices would spiral upwards after Brexit. Now they are moaning that food will be cheaper!
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"UK farmers have sounded the alarm over reports the government plans a trade deal with Australia that would make its food and farming imports cheaper. The move is being considered as part of a free trade pact with Australia the UK government hopes will be a springboard for similar deals with other countries. Another Brexit Bonus ? Hold on a minute! For five years remainers have moaned and moaned ad nauseum that food prices would spiral upwards after Brexit. Now they are moaning that food will be cheaper!
FFS take a day off.They are a fickle bunch mate you should know that by now."They are not a fickle bunch they are just pissed of with Boris and the buch or cretins like lizz Truss and Frost. Meat coming from 1000s of mile away not very good for the environment. | |||
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" Meat coming from 1000s of mile away not very good for the environment. " Just like your Phone and TV's and HiFi and Most of your clothes and Oil and Petrol and Lithium and Pharmaceuticals and Vehicles . . . List is endless really. | |||
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"Have anyone ever seen a happy farmer allways moaning about being poor but have never seen one on a push bike. " Push bikes are expensive! | |||
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"Have anyone ever seen a happy farmer allways moaning about being poor but have never seen one on a push bike. Push bikes are expensive!" And they mostly come from India. | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not We will NOT have a vaccine passport Yeah he did Covid is so convenient for Brexit, any disadvantage from Brexit they just blame it on Covid. The farming community voted Brexit so let them reap the rewards or lack of, pie in the sky. " I doubt many of the farming community voted for Brexit because they knew what would happen to their subsidies. Ill informed or no first hand knowledge, like many on here. | |||
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"UK farmers have sounded the alarm over reports the government plans a trade deal with Australia that would make its food and farming imports cheaper. The move is being considered as part of a free trade pact with Australia the UK government hopes will be a springboard for similar deals with other countries. Another Brexit Bonus ? Hold on a minute! For five years remainers have moaned and moaned ad nauseum that food prices would spiral upwards after Brexit. Now they are moaning that food will be cheaper!
FFS take a day off."Sorry but Leavers spent 37 years Telling everyone its better for Us Look after our own . Our Fisherman sold down the river Our Farmers following behind . Whose next to be fucked over ? | |||
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"The Mexico and Canada Deals are seeking to upgrade the current agreements to make them more beneficial to all parties. All easy to find. " Actually if that is the spin you want to use of CETA (Canada EU Trade Agreement) you are going to need to revise it…. There is language in CETA that explicitly states that you cannot agree better or equal terms to the uk than you would to the EU….. So where that means it may be better than what you have now… in anything where you are in direct competition it cannot be as good as you would get from the EU The same wording is in the Japan eu agreement…. The reason why the uk is giving away the farm so to speak is they have to get them in place before the eu do…. So if sector’s of industry get sacrificed they will….. So someone at the top said the threads said overseas competition will reduce prices… yes it might… but if you can’t reduce overheads then you are in the shit and the you go to the wall…. And competition is only competition whilst you have competitors.. and if they go to the wall it then becomes a monopoly… and prices go up! Anyone have a guess at how many jobs are in the agrifoods sector… 2 million… That’s why the defra are pissed off at what international trade is trying to do here | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not We will NOT have a vaccine passport Yeah he did Covid is so convenient for Brexit, any disadvantage from Brexit they just blame it on Covid. The farming community voted Brexit so let them reap the rewards or lack of, pie in the sky. I doubt many of the farming community voted for Brexit because they knew what would happen to their subsidies. Ill informed or no first hand knowledge, like many on here. You are the one who is ill informed mate. Go back and do your research before you try to make statement without foundation. Most of the farmers and fishermen voted Brexit. They all voted for self imposed sanction, it's the first time I ever see a Country voted to sanction their own economy. " The good people of Cornwall was the best one | |||
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"Current sheepmeat and beef prices are higher in Oz than here currently, " But lamb for example has a 48% export tariff and beef has an 84% export tariff on under WTO rules …. No imagine that is removed in a free trade deal….. hmmmm | |||
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"UK farmers have sounded the alarm over reports the government plans a trade deal with Australia that would make its food and farming imports cheaper. The move is being considered as part of a free trade pact with Australia the UK government hopes will be a springboard for similar deals with other countries. Another Brexit Bonus ? " yes they now cant afford to buy another gas guzzling polution spewing range rover out of there subsidys | |||
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"Not ? Boris did NOT LIE . Yeah he did We will NOT change our minds on school dinners Yeah they did No we will NOT be going into a 3rd lockdown Yeah we did . Not We will NOT have a vaccine passport Yeah he did Covid is so convenient for Brexit, any disadvantage from Brexit they just blame it on Covid. The farming community voted Brexit so let them reap the rewards or lack of, pie in the sky. I doubt many of the farming community voted for Brexit because they knew what would happen to their subsidies. Ill informed or no first hand knowledge, like many on here. You are the one who is ill informed mate. Go back and do your research before you try to make statement without foundation. Most of the farmers and fishermen voted Brexit. They all voted for self imposed sanction, it's the first time I ever see a Country voted to sanction their own economy. The good people of Cornwall was the best one For real "Is that correct? As someone who has there generations at least, including myself that have worked in the agricultural industry and horticultural industry I think I might be best placed to know how farmers voted. Stop being politically prejudice. As for driving around in range rovers, while there are many that will, the bigger farms, many would prefer a pickup truck. Much more practical. | |||
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"Current sheepmeat and beef prices are higher in Oz than here currently, But lamb for example has a 48% export tariff and beef has an 84% export tariff on under WTO rules …. No imagine that is removed in a free trade deal….. hmmmm " The level of tariff had no bearing on the price of animals in their home market, if applied it just makes it dearer in the export market, when we joined the common market there was a tariff free quota given to NZ for access for sheep meat and dairy products, it was part of the brexit negotiations so is still around, cant remember if the same applied to meat from Oz as too long ago, for those old enough anchor was the brand name for NZ butter, it was brought in in bulk and packaged in Swindon, anchor is now a uk brand using uk milk processed in Westbury in the arla factory, it's a mile from us and several customer mine work there. NZ have more lucrative markets to export to than europe, as countries become richer they move to a diet containing more dairy and meat, the growth markets for both Oz and Nz are in asia/ middle east and china, Argentina recently restricted beef exports as China was paying so much to replace Oz they didnt have enough for their own market. | |||
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"The Mexico and Canada Deals are seeking to upgrade the current agreements to make them more beneficial to all parties. All easy to find. Actually if that is the spin you want to use of CETA (Canada EU Trade Agreement) you are going to need to revise it…. There is language in CETA that explicitly states that you cannot agree better or equal terms to the uk than you would to the EU….. So where that means it may be better than what you have now… in anything where you are in direct competition it cannot be as good as you would get from the EU The same wording is in the Japan eu agreement…. The reason why the uk is giving away the farm so to speak is they have to get them in place before the eu do…. So if sector’s of industry get sacrificed they will….. So someone at the top said the threads said overseas competition will reduce prices… yes it might… but if you can’t reduce overheads then you are in the shit and the you go to the wall…. And competition is only competition whilst you have competitors.. and if they go to the wall it then becomes a monopoly… and prices go up! Anyone have a guess at how many jobs are in the agrifoods sector… 2 million… That’s why the defra are pissed off at what international trade is trying to do here " Where is this language because ive had a scan through 70 pages of the CETA and cant find anywhere that canada cant agree better or equal terms with the uk or any other country for that matter? Besides that the uk are looking to join the trans-pacific partnership which the eu has no control over. | |||
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"Current sheepmeat and beef prices are higher in Oz than here currently, But lamb for example has a 48% export tariff and beef has an 84% export tariff on under WTO rules …. No imagine that is removed in a free trade deal….. hmmmm The level of tariff had no bearing on the price of animals in their home market, if applied it just makes it dearer in the export market, when we joined the common market there was a tariff free quota given to NZ for access for sheep meat and dairy products, it was part of the brexit negotiations so is still around, cant remember if the same applied to meat from Oz as too long ago, for those old enough anchor was the brand name for NZ butter, it was brought in in bulk and packaged in Swindon, anchor is now a uk brand using uk milk processed in Westbury in the arla factory, it's a mile from us and several customer mine work there. NZ have more lucrative markets to export to than europe, as countries become richer they move to a diet containing more dairy and meat, the growth markets for both Oz and Nz are in asia/ middle east and china, Argentina recently restricted beef exports as China was paying so much to replace Oz they didnt have enough for their own market. " The level of tariff might not… but economy’s of scale does! The average farmer of cow herds in the uk is 30 cows…. The average farmer of cow herds in Australia is 30 thousand…… something to do with that “space” thing Australia has so they can carry larger herds…. So therefore it is cheaper to run operations at that scale than a producer in the uk may be able to achieve…. | |||
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"The Mexico and Canada Deals are seeking to upgrade the current agreements to make them more beneficial to all parties. All easy to find. Actually if that is the spin you want to use of CETA (Canada EU Trade Agreement) you are going to need to revise it…. There is language in CETA that explicitly states that you cannot agree better or equal terms to the uk than you would to the EU….. So where that means it may be better than what you have now… in anything where you are in direct competition it cannot be as good as you would get from the EU The same wording is in the Japan eu agreement…. The reason why the uk is giving away the farm so to speak is they have to get them in place before the eu do…. So if sector’s of industry get sacrificed they will….. So someone at the top said the threads said overseas competition will reduce prices… yes it might… but if you can’t reduce overheads then you are in the shit and the you go to the wall…. And competition is only competition whilst you have competitors.. and if they go to the wall it then becomes a monopoly… and prices go up! Anyone have a guess at how many jobs are in the agrifoods sector… 2 million… That’s why the defra are pissed off at what international trade is trying to do here Where is this language because ive had a scan through 70 pages of the CETA and cant find anywhere that canada cant agree better or equal terms with the uk or any other country for that matter? Besides that the uk are looking to join the trans-pacific partnership which the eu has no control over." If you are reading then you might want to look for the words “third party” which is what the uk would fall under… thanks for playing though | |||
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"The Mexico and Canada Deals are seeking to upgrade the current agreements to make them more beneficial to all parties. All easy to find. Actually if that is the spin you want to use of CETA (Canada EU Trade Agreement) you are going to need to revise it…. There is language in CETA that explicitly states that you cannot agree better or equal terms to the uk than you would to the EU….. So where that means it may be better than what you have now… in anything where you are in direct competition it cannot be as good as you would get from the EU The same wording is in the Japan eu agreement…. The reason why the uk is giving away the farm so to speak is they have to get them in place before the eu do…. So if sector’s of industry get sacrificed they will….. So someone at the top said the threads said overseas competition will reduce prices… yes it might… but if you can’t reduce overheads then you are in the shit and the you go to the wall…. And competition is only competition whilst you have competitors.. and if they go to the wall it then becomes a monopoly… and prices go up! Anyone have a guess at how many jobs are in the agrifoods sector… 2 million… That’s why the defra are pissed off at what international trade is trying to do here Where is this language because ive had a scan through 70 pages of the CETA and cant find anywhere that canada cant agree better or equal terms with the uk or any other country for that matter? Besides that the uk are looking to join the trans-pacific partnership which the eu has no control over. If you are reading then you might want to look for the words “third party” which is what the uk would fall under… thanks for playing though "Still playing what page is that on? | |||
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"Current sheepmeat and beef prices are higher in Oz than here currently, But lamb for example has a 48% export tariff and beef has an 84% export tariff on under WTO rules …. No imagine that is removed in a free trade deal….. hmmmm The level of tariff had no bearing on the price of animals in their home market, if applied it just makes it dearer in the export market, when we joined the common market there was a tariff free quota given to NZ for access for sheep meat and dairy products, it was part of the brexit negotiations so is still around, cant remember if the same applied to meat from Oz as too long ago, for those old enough anchor was the brand name for NZ butter, it was brought in in bulk and packaged in Swindon, anchor is now a uk brand using uk milk processed in Westbury in the arla factory, it's a mile from us and several customer mine work there. NZ have more lucrative markets to export to than europe, as countries become richer they move to a diet containing more dairy and meat, the growth markets for both Oz and Nz are in asia/ middle east and china, Argentina recently restricted beef exports as China was paying so much to replace Oz they didnt have enough for their own market. The level of tariff might not… but economy’s of scale does! The average farmer of cow herds in the uk is 30 cows…. The average farmer of cow herds in Australia is 30 thousand…… something to do with that “space” thing Australia has so they can carry larger herds…. So therefore it is cheaper to run operations at that scale than a producer in the uk may be able to achieve…." Averages can be and often are very misleading, suckler cow herds where that is the main operation would be larger than 30, they are often on stable farms to utilise rough grass on land that isnt suitable for arable and use labour in the winter when there arent many jobs on an arable farm so costs can be low. Regardless of that, the plain and simple fact is currently market prices are higher in Oz than here, after transport costs it will be dearer still. Tariffs or not in the current situation are irrelevant. | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers "Do you work for a living? | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living? "Why are you asking someone a Question like that ? | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living? "strange question. | |||
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"Current sheepmeat and beef prices are higher in Oz than here currently, But lamb for example has a 48% export tariff and beef has an 84% export tariff on under WTO rules …. No imagine that is removed in a free trade deal….. hmmmm The level of tariff had no bearing on the price of animals in their home market, if applied it just makes it dearer in the export market, when we joined the common market there was a tariff free quota given to NZ for access for sheep meat and dairy products, it was part of the brexit negotiations so is still around, cant remember if the same applied to meat from Oz as too long ago, for those old enough anchor was the brand name for NZ butter, it was brought in in bulk and packaged in Swindon, anchor is now a uk brand using uk milk processed in Westbury in the arla factory, it's a mile from us and several customer mine work there. NZ have more lucrative markets to export to than europe, as countries become richer they move to a diet containing more dairy and meat, the growth markets for both Oz and Nz are in asia/ middle east and china, Argentina recently restricted beef exports as China was paying so much to replace Oz they didnt have enough for their own market. The level of tariff might not… but economy’s of scale does! The average farmer of cow herds in the uk is 30 cows…. The average farmer of cow herds in Australia is 30 thousand…… something to do with that “space” thing Australia has so they can carry larger herds…. So therefore it is cheaper to run operations at that scale than a producer in the uk may be able to achieve…. Averages can be and often are very misleading, suckler cow herds where that is the main operation would be larger than 30, they are often on stable farms to utilise rough grass on land that isnt suitable for arable and use labour in the winter when there arent many jobs on an arable farm so costs can be low. Regardless of that, the plain and simple fact is currently market prices are higher in Oz than here, after transport costs it will be dearer still. Tariffs or not in the current situation are irrelevant. " They can be higher in oz because of the production rate plus the tariff… so they can undercut anything coming in plus retain the profit margins… that is the point! If everything goes tariff free… then it’s a case of who can produce it cheaper wins… and if that is not the uk farmer, who has some homegrown tariff protection … you drive them out of business…. That is the point…. | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living? strange question. "Actually… it isn’t such a strange question… because if importer were undercutting you in your job… your job would not be around for much long if customers took that attitude | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living? strange question. "No it’s not Farmers losing their jobs is the result of cheaper food imports If he lost his hob because a guy down the street does it cheaper is that ok too? | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living? strange question.
Actually… it isn’t such a strange question… because if importer were undercutting you in your job… your job would not be around for much long if customers took that attitude "Thanks. Some one got it | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . "But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ? | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ? "Can't make it up, can you? lol | |||
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" If everything goes tariff free… then it’s a case of who can produce it cheaper wins… and if that is not the uk farmer, who has some homegrown tariff protection … you drive them out of business…. That is the point…. Nope. That is called Competition. Anything else would be 'fixed-pricing'. " If the advantage is through hormones is that good? If it creates unemployment in the U.K. derelict farms and richer Australians is that a good policy too? Protectionism isn’t always a bad thing for us | |||
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" If everything goes tariff free… then it’s a case of who can produce it cheaper wins… and if that is not the uk farmer, who has some homegrown tariff protection … you drive them out of business…. That is the point…. Nope. That is called Competition. Anything else would be 'fixed-pricing'. " You have no idea… it’s not price fixing if you can sell your product and still have a profit margin that would undercut what someone else could purely produce it at…. And it’s only competition till you drive others out of the market… once that happens it’s a monopoly or a cartel… and then prices go up | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ? "You will be paying more for manufactured food but that’s due to increased logistics processing etc. Number of reasons , Covid, Brexit , deep sea shippers profiteering. One side of beef grown on grass compared to a side grown in a stockyard looks and prices roughly the same . Although cheaper to produce in a stockyard. Do you know which is safer?? If one is 50p less is that because the farm is efficient or has the cow had more drugs to grow unnaturally ? If you don’t know is that a good thing? | |||
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"And you must think that companies work on an altruistic business model. They don't. They will compete until they are the most dominant. If that means other companies go under, then so be it. " So you are happy to see uk farmers go out of business so that you can get Aussie beef cheaper | |||
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"Current sheepmeat and beef prices are higher in Oz than here currently, But lamb for example has a 48% export tariff and beef has an 84% export tariff on under WTO rules …. No imagine that is removed in a free trade deal….. hmmmm The level of tariff had no bearing on the price of animals in their home market, if applied it just makes it dearer in the export market, when we joined the common market there was a tariff free quota given to NZ for access for sheep meat and dairy products, it was part of the brexit negotiations so is still around, cant remember if the same applied to meat from Oz as too long ago, for those old enough anchor was the brand name for NZ butter, it was brought in in bulk and packaged in Swindon, anchor is now a uk brand using uk milk processed in Westbury in the arla factory, it's a mile from us and several customer mine work there. NZ have more lucrative markets to export to than europe, as countries become richer they move to a diet containing more dairy and meat, the growth markets for both Oz and Nz are in asia/ middle east and china, Argentina recently restricted beef exports as China was paying so much to replace Oz they didnt have enough for their own market. The level of tariff might not… but economy’s of scale does! The average farmer of cow herds in the uk is 30 cows…. The average farmer of cow herds in Australia is 30 thousand…… something to do with that “space” thing Australia has so they can carry larger herds…. So therefore it is cheaper to run operations at that scale than a producer in the uk may be able to achieve…. Averages can be and often are very misleading, suckler cow herds where that is the main operation would be larger than 30, they are often on stable farms to utilise rough grass on land that isnt suitable for arable and use labour in the winter when there arent many jobs on an arable farm so costs can be low. Regardless of that, the plain and simple fact is currently market prices are higher in Oz than here, after transport costs it will be dearer still. Tariffs or not in the current situation are irrelevant. They can be higher in oz because of the production rate plus the tariff… so they can undercut anything coming in plus retain the profit margins… that is the point! If everything goes tariff free… then it’s a case of who can produce it cheaper wins… and if that is not the uk farmer, who has some homegrown tariff protection … you drive them out of business…. That is the point…." Sorry but you have little idea about this, oz has a huge surplus of all ag production it relies on exports for its market prices, tariffs will have no effect whether they bring it here when they are selling at a better price now.IF they were selling at a discount to our current market price then you might have an argument but the opposite is the case, atm it's more likely we could export to them however they are a small market with a massive over supply, in reality the quantity they would take would make it uneconomic. It's a non story. | |||
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"Current sheepmeat and beef prices are higher in Oz than here currently, But lamb for example has a 48% export tariff and beef has an 84% export tariff on under WTO rules …. No imagine that is removed in a free trade deal….. hmmmm The level of tariff had no bearing on the price of animals in their home market, if applied it just makes it dearer in the export market, when we joined the common market there was a tariff free quota given to NZ for access for sheep meat and dairy products, it was part of the brexit negotiations so is still around, cant remember if the same applied to meat from Oz as too long ago, for those old enough anchor was the brand name for NZ butter, it was brought in in bulk and packaged in Swindon, anchor is now a uk brand using uk milk processed in Westbury in the arla factory, it's a mile from us and several customer mine work there. NZ have more lucrative markets to export to than europe, as countries become richer they move to a diet containing more dairy and meat, the growth markets for both Oz and Nz are in asia/ middle east and china, Argentina recently restricted beef exports as China was paying so much to replace Oz they didnt have enough for their own market. The level of tariff might not… but economy’s of scale does! The average farmer of cow herds in the uk is 30 cows…. The average farmer of cow herds in Australia is 30 thousand…… something to do with that “space” thing Australia has so they can carry larger herds…. So therefore it is cheaper to run operations at that scale than a producer in the uk may be able to achieve…." The average herd of cows, dairy, which is where the majority will be, is 148 in 2019. By the same count the number of beef is between 28-50. The numbers vary considerably between lowland and 'highland' herds. Now subsidies. This is where the subsidies should work. For those on 'lower' ground very often do not need the subsidies as they have the numbers to make it pay. Those on the 'higher' ground or places unviable for crop production, the majority of Scotland, Wales, lake District, Cornwall and areas of Devon etc, those are the farmers who need the subsidies. Not many of those driving around in range rovers! The problem being that the subsidies are blanket, one size fits all, generally, so the larger farms are also included. As I understand it, the government were going to announce changes to the way subsidies will work in future. As far as I'm aware that hasn't been announced yet as they have promised to honour the existing system for a couple of years. Hopefully it will work on income and farm size, rather than the current system. Dairy, beef, lamb and arable. | |||
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"And you must think that companies work on an altruistic business model. They don't. They will compete until they are the most dominant. If that means other companies go under, then so be it. So you are happy to see uk farmers go out of business so that you can get Aussie beef cheaper " But that isn't really the point, is it? It might be your socialist programme of ideas, but the real reality is that companies do not and have never run on an altruistic business model. Often when companies reach monopolistic proportions the MMC will step in and if necessary have the company broken down in less monopolistic parts. The Ofcoms and ofwats et-el will consider disproportionate pricing too. | |||
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"And you must think that companies work on an altruistic business model. They don't. They will compete until they are the most dominant. If that means other companies go under, then so be it. So you are happy to see uk farmers go out of business so that you can get Aussie beef cheaper But that isn't really the point, is it? It might be your socialist programme of ideas, but the real reality is that companies do not and have never run on an altruistic business model. Often when companies reach monopolistic proportions the MMC will step in and if necessary have the company broken down in less monopolistic parts. The Ofcoms and ofwats et-el will consider disproportionate pricing too. " You keep saying that isn’t the point but it really is… If Aussie beef farmers can produce and sell at cost cheaper than uk farmers .. tariff free you are going to put uk farmers out of business! So again… are you happy to do that because your beef may be cheaper | |||
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"And you must think that companies work on an altruistic business model. They don't. They will compete until they are the most dominant. If that means other companies go under, then so be it. So you are happy to see uk farmers go out of business so that you can get Aussie beef cheaper But that isn't really the point, is it? It might be your socialist programme of ideas, but the real reality is that companies do not and have never run on an altruistic business model. Often when companies reach monopolistic proportions the MMC will step in and if necessary have the company broken down in less monopolistic parts. The Ofcoms and ofwats et-el will consider disproportionate pricing too. You keep saying that isn’t the point but it really is… If Aussie beef farmers can produce and sell at cost cheaper than uk farmers .. tariff free you are going to put uk farmers out of business! So again… are you happy to do that because your beef may be cheaper " I would definitely like to see lamb prices lower it was cheap before we joined the common market. | |||
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"And you must think that companies work on an altruistic business model. They don't. They will compete until they are the most dominant. If that means other companies go under, then so be it. So you are happy to see uk farmers go out of business so that you can get Aussie beef cheaper But that isn't really the point, is it? It might be your socialist programme of ideas, but the real reality is that companies do not and have never run on an altruistic business model. Often when companies reach monopolistic proportions the MMC will step in and if necessary have the company broken down in less monopolistic parts. The Ofcoms and ofwats et-el will consider disproportionate pricing too. " Im not sure if you've noticed But companies allover the world are changing At a pace that tbey have never had to change at before . Pandemic & Climate . Stop bantering about buisness pre pandemic . Its all Changed | |||
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"And you must think that companies work on an altruistic business model. They don't. They will compete until they are the most dominant. If that means other companies go under, then so be it. So you are happy to see uk farmers go out of business so that you can get Aussie beef cheaper But that isn't really the point, is it? It might be your socialist programme of ideas, but the real reality is that companies do not and have never run on an altruistic business model. Often when companies reach monopolistic proportions the MMC will step in and if necessary have the company broken down in less monopolistic parts. The Ofcoms and ofwats et-el will consider disproportionate pricing too. You keep saying that isn’t the point but it really is… If Aussie beef farmers can produce and sell at cost cheaper than uk farmers .. tariff free you are going to put uk farmers out of business! So again… are you happy to do that because your beef may be cheaper " Look after ourselves not the forrriiinss Getbrexitdone ! | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ?
You will be paying more for manufactured food but that’s due to increased logistics processing etc. Number of reasons , Covid, Brexit , deep sea shippers profiteering.
One side of beef grown on grass compared to a side grown in a stockyard looks and prices roughly the same . Although cheaper to produce in a stockyard.
Do you know which is safer?? If one is 50p less is that because the farm is efficient or has the cow had more drugs to grow unnaturally ?
If you don’t know is that a good thing? "There is nothing cheaper than grass fed beef, aside from a little fertiliser grass is pretty much free. It costs more for beef that are housed. Give a farmer a choice he will always go for the cheaper option. This isn't viable over the winter though, so even grass fed will often be housed. The difference between the two comes in the finishing time. Grass fed takes longer to finish, perhaps twice as long, costs low but longer return. The opposite is true of housed beef. As for 'drugs' I take it you are talking about gh? Australia use them in around 40% of grass fed beef to speed up the finish of a beef cow. Australia are also facing a backlash over this and many suppliers are instigating a ban on cattle producers using gh. Eventually the market will dictate, if the 'housewife' doesn't buy beef treated with gh, then there will be no market for it. One of the many things holding up a free trade agreement between the UK and Australia is the refusal of the UK government to accept meat that has been treated with gh. | |||
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"And you must think that companies work on an altruistic business model. They don't. They will compete until they are the most dominant. If that means other companies go under, then so be it. So you are happy to see uk farmers go out of business so that you can get Aussie beef cheaper But that isn't really the point, is it? It might be your socialist programme of ideas, but the real reality is that companies do not and have never run on an altruistic business model. Often when companies reach monopolistic proportions the MMC will step in and if necessary have the company broken down in less monopolistic parts. The Ofcoms and ofwats et-el will consider disproportionate pricing too. You keep saying that isn’t the point but it really is… If Aussie beef farmers can produce and sell at cost cheaper than uk farmers .. tariff free you are going to put uk farmers out of business! So again… are you happy to do that because your beef may be cheaper " It's really nothing to do with what I want or my personal preference with regard to what I want to or not want to pay for goods. But just out of interest - I use two butchers - One my husband likes the beefburgers from, they are local single shop, so are more expensive. For everything else I use Morrisons et-al. What I am/and was talking about is 'what the Trade agreements were and are'. You initially said that Tariffs could not be different between the EU Canada and Canada UK Agreements. It's clear that, just as I first said, you were wrong. | |||
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"And you must think that companies work on an altruistic business model. They don't. They will compete until they are the most dominant. If that means other companies go under, then so be it. So you are happy to see uk farmers go out of business so that you can get Aussie beef cheaper But that isn't really the point, is it? It might be your socialist programme of ideas, but the real reality is that companies do not and have never run on an altruistic business model. Often when companies reach monopolistic proportions the MMC will step in and if necessary have the company broken down in less monopolistic parts. The Ofcoms and ofwats et-el will consider disproportionate pricing too. You keep saying that isn’t the point but it really is… If Aussie beef farmers can produce and sell at cost cheaper than uk farmers .. tariff free you are going to put uk farmers out of business! So again… are you happy to do that because your beef may be cheaper " Yet again you are missing the point, currently oz market prices are higher than uk market prices they arent going to send stuff here when they make more money elsewhere. It's a very simple economic fact.in the current situation tariffs and cost of production arent irrelevant, it's their sale price they are interested in, until their market price is lower than ours and they can bring it to the uk and make as much money in this market as they can from any other it simply wont happen. The threat to uk farmers is from the uk supermarkets screwing the price we receive, they use their power to push prices down, it's one of the reasons we dont produce for that market, everything we produce except some bread making wheat and oats is sold direct, the other two we produce to get the straw from as we make more money in the equestrian market from that than the grain,its a bonkers situation but its reality. | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo." Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ?
You will be paying more for manufactured food but that’s due to increased logistics processing etc. Number of reasons , Covid, Brexit , deep sea shippers profiteering.
One side of beef grown on grass compared to a side grown in a stockyard looks and prices roughly the same . Although cheaper to produce in a stockyard.
Do you know which is safer?? If one is 50p less is that because the farm is efficient or has the cow had more drugs to grow unnaturally ?
If you don’t know is that a good thing?
There is nothing cheaper than grass fed beef, aside from a little fertiliser grass is pretty much free. It costs more for beef that are housed. Give a farmer a choice he will always go for the cheaper option. This isn't viable over the winter though, so even grass fed will often be housed.
The difference between the two comes in the finishing time. Grass fed takes longer to finish, perhaps twice as long, costs low but longer return. The opposite is true of housed beef. As for 'drugs' I take it you are talking about gh? Australia use them in around 40% of grass fed beef to speed up the finish of a beef cow. Australia are also facing a backlash over this and many suppliers are instigating a ban on cattle producers using gh. Eventually the market will dictate, if the 'housewife' doesn't buy beef treated with gh, then there will be no market for it.
One of the many things holding up a free trade agreement between the UK and Australia is the refusal of the UK government to accept meat that has been treated with gh. "If it’s clearly labelled we can make a choice ( I’d rather it was banned ). However if it’s used in say a lasagne how would you know ? The US are pushing to hide country of origin on processed meat products . | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo. Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field " My point is it would be Ireland that loses out if that was exchanged for oz beef.Big users like mcdonalds and burger king will still use uk products as its part of their identity in each country they operate in. | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo. Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field My point is it would be Ireland that loses out if that was exchanged for oz beef.Big users like mcdonalds and burger king will still use uk products as its part of their identity in each country they operate in." Yes they will lose but so will U.K. farmers . We eat a lot of beef. I think eating beef forced grown on drugs to get a quicker return is far cheaper and much less safe . | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo. Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field My point is it would be Ireland that loses out if that was exchanged for oz beef.Big users like mcdonalds and burger king will still use uk products as its part of their identity in each country they operate in. Yes they will lose but so will U.K. farmers . We eat a lot of beef. I think eating beef forced grown on drugs to get a quicker return is far cheaper and much less safe . " Farmers are an adaptable lot they have always had to be so personally i think its just Thornberry trying to get back in the spotlight as she can see a job opportunity coming up soon. | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo. Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field My point is it would be Ireland that loses out if that was exchanged for oz beef.Big users like mcdonalds and burger king will still use uk products as its part of their identity in each country they operate in. Yes they will lose but so will U.K. farmers . We eat a lot of beef. I think eating beef forced grown on drugs to get a quicker return is far cheaper and much less safe . " So how has brexit affected that are they now force growing beef on drugs which they were not before brexit? | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ?
You will be paying more for manufactured food but that’s due to increased logistics processing etc. Number of reasons , Covid, Brexit , deep sea shippers profiteering.
One side of beef grown on grass compared to a side grown in a stockyard looks and prices roughly the same . Although cheaper to produce in a stockyard.
Do you know which is safer?? If one is 50p less is that because the farm is efficient or has the cow had more drugs to grow unnaturally ?
If you don’t know is that a good thing?
There is nothing cheaper than grass fed beef, aside from a little fertiliser grass is pretty much free. It costs more for beef that are housed. Give a farmer a choice he will always go for the cheaper option. This isn't viable over the winter though, so even grass fed will often be housed.
The difference between the two comes in the finishing time. Grass fed takes longer to finish, perhaps twice as long, costs low but longer return. The opposite is true of housed beef. As for 'drugs' I take it you are talking about gh? Australia use them in around 40% of grass fed beef to speed up the finish of a beef cow. Australia are also facing a backlash over this and many suppliers are instigating a ban on cattle producers using gh. Eventually the market will dictate, if the 'housewife' doesn't buy beef treated with gh, then there will be no market for it.
One of the many things holding up a free trade agreement between the UK and Australia is the refusal of the UK government to accept meat that has been treated with gh.
If it’s clearly labelled we can make a choice ( I’d rather it was banned ). However if it’s used in say a lasagne how would you know ?
The US are pushing to hide country of origin on processed meat products .
"Well unless the Aussies are only going to send us the 40% of beef that is treated with growth hormone, which we don't have to accept, I'm sure we would be happy with the 60% that isn't. Better labelling on products, containing British, Australian, etc meat would be the obvious way to go. Personally I wouldn't buy ready to cook lasagna anyway. Even restaurants should be able to say where the product originates. It could be an advantage to the UK farmer in n much the same way as the red tractor logo. But as usual it's down to the individual to make a choice. Making sure that it is an informed choice, is that the government, the producer or the retail to inform is another argument. Usually British meat of any kind if bought from a butcher will have a union jack on display or on a package if not the red tractor. If it doesn't it's not necessarily UK produced. Then it's down to choice. A free market economy. | |||
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"I seem to recall that if its transported live the country its slaughtered in claims it as from there,i remember something about British lamb that was sent to France live could be labelled french when slaughtered." Yes that is correct, | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo. Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field My point is it would be Ireland that loses out if that was exchanged for oz beef.Big users like mcdonalds and burger king will still use uk products as its part of their identity in each country they operate in. Yes they will lose but so will U.K. farmers . We eat a lot of beef. I think eating beef forced grown on drugs to get a quicker return is far cheaper and much less safe . " It's not "forced" grown on drugs, it makes the animal more efficient at converting its food into muscle, it is completely safe to eat, it could be compared to us using red bull to keep energy levels. But as has been said as long as its properly labelled people can make a choice | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo. Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field My point is it would be Ireland that loses out if that was exchanged for oz beef.Big users like mcdonalds and burger king will still use uk products as its part of their identity in each country they operate in. Yes they will lose but so will U.K. farmers . We eat a lot of beef. I think eating beef forced grown on drugs to get a quicker return is far cheaper and much less safe . So how has brexit affected that are they now force growing beef on drugs which they were not before brexit?" They were banned in EU | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo. Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field My point is it would be Ireland that loses out if that was exchanged for oz beef.Big users like mcdonalds and burger king will still use uk products as its part of their identity in each country they operate in. Yes they will lose but so will U.K. farmers . We eat a lot of beef. I think eating beef forced grown on drugs to get a quicker return is far cheaper and much less safe . It's not "forced" grown on drugs, it makes the animal more efficient at converting its food into muscle, it is completely safe to eat, it could be compared to us using red bull to keep energy levels. But as has been said as long as its properly labelled people can make a choice " Look up the carcinogenic risks and also animal welfare in such farms . Nothing like red bull at all. | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ?
You will be paying more for manufactured food but that’s due to increased logistics processing etc. Number of reasons , Covid, Brexit , deep sea shippers profiteering.
One side of beef grown on grass compared to a side grown in a stockyard looks and prices roughly the same . Although cheaper to produce in a stockyard.
Do you know which is safer?? If one is 50p less is that because the farm is efficient or has the cow had more drugs to grow unnaturally ?
If you don’t know is that a good thing?
There is nothing cheaper than grass fed beef, aside from a little fertiliser grass is pretty much free. It costs more for beef that are housed. Give a farmer a choice he will always go for the cheaper option. This isn't viable over the winter though, so even grass fed will often be housed.
The difference between the two comes in the finishing time. Grass fed takes longer to finish, perhaps twice as long, costs low but longer return. The opposite is true of housed beef. As for 'drugs' I take it you are talking about gh? Australia use them in around 40% of grass fed beef to speed up the finish of a beef cow. Australia are also facing a backlash over this and many suppliers are instigating a ban on cattle producers using gh. Eventually the market will dictate, if the 'housewife' doesn't buy beef treated with gh, then there will be no market for it.
One of the many things holding up a free trade agreement between the UK and Australia is the refusal of the UK government to accept meat that has been treated with gh.
If it’s clearly labelled we can make a choice ( I’d rather it was banned ). However if it’s used in say a lasagne how would you know ?
The US are pushing to hide country of origin on processed meat products .
Well unless the Aussies are only going to send us the 40% of beef that is treated with growth hormone, which we don't have to accept, I'm sure we would be happy with the 60% that isn't.
Better labelling on products, containing British, Australian, etc meat would be the obvious way to go. Personally I wouldn't buy ready to cook lasagna anyway. Even restaurants should be able to say where the product originates. It could be an advantage to the UK farmer in n much the same way as the red tractor logo. But as usual it's down to the individual to make a choice. Making sure that it is an informed choice, is that the government, the producer or the retail to inform is another argument. Usually British meat of any kind if bought from a butcher will have a union jack on display or on a package if not the red tractor. If it doesn't it's not necessarily UK produced. Then it's down to choice. A free market economy."If cheap imports take sales from good quality U.K. beef . The U.K. beef has to charge more per sale . So result cheap stockyard hormone beef is all you can chose if you have a limited budget! | |||
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"Im not sure it uk producers that should be worried 78% of uk beef imports come from Ireland at the mo. Quality regulated to the same standards in the U.K. so level playing field My point is it would be Ireland that loses out if that was exchanged for oz beef.Big users like mcdonalds and burger king will still use uk products as its part of their identity in each country they operate in. Yes they will lose but so will U.K. farmers . We eat a lot of beef. I think eating beef forced grown on drugs to get a quicker return is far cheaper and much less safe . So how has brexit affected that are they now force growing beef on drugs which they were not before brexit? They were banned in EU " yeah?https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/australia-steps-up-trade-beef-with-britain-eu-20191115-p53at0 | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ?
You will be paying more for manufactured food but that’s due to increased logistics processing etc. Number of reasons , Covid, Brexit , deep sea shippers profiteering.
One side of beef grown on grass compared to a side grown in a stockyard looks and prices roughly the same . Although cheaper to produce in a stockyard.
Do you know which is safer?? If one is 50p less is that because the farm is efficient or has the cow had more drugs to grow unnaturally ?
If you don’t know is that a good thing?
There is nothing cheaper than grass fed beef, aside from a little fertiliser grass is pretty much free. It costs more for beef that are housed. Give a farmer a choice he will always go for the cheaper option. This isn't viable over the winter though, so even grass fed will often be housed.
The difference between the two comes in the finishing time. Grass fed takes longer to finish, perhaps twice as long, costs low but longer return. The opposite is true of housed beef. As for 'drugs' I take it you are talking about gh? Australia use them in around 40% of grass fed beef to speed up the finish of a beef cow. Australia are also facing a backlash over this and many suppliers are instigating a ban on cattle producers using gh. Eventually the market will dictate, if the 'housewife' doesn't buy beef treated with gh, then there will be no market for it.
One of the many things holding up a free trade agreement between the UK and Australia is the refusal of the UK government to accept meat that has been treated with gh.
If it’s clearly labelled we can make a choice ( I’d rather it was banned ). However if it’s used in say a lasagne how would you know ?
The US are pushing to hide country of origin on processed meat products .
Well unless the Aussies are only going to send us the 40% of beef that is treated with growth hormone, which we don't have to accept, I'm sure we would be happy with the 60% that isn't.
Better labelling on products, containing British, Australian, etc meat would be the obvious way to go. Personally I wouldn't buy ready to cook lasagna anyway. Even restaurants should be able to say where the product originates. It could be an advantage to the UK farmer in n much the same way as the red tractor logo. But as usual it's down to the individual to make a choice. Making sure that it is an informed choice, is that the government, the producer or the retail to inform is another argument. Usually British meat of any kind if bought from a butcher will have a union jack on display or on a package if not the red tractor. If it doesn't it's not necessarily UK produced. Then it's down to choice. A free market economy.
If cheap imports take sales from good quality U.K. beef . The U.K. beef has to charge more per sale .
So result cheap stockyard hormone beef is all you can chose if you have a limited budget! "If I had a limited budget, I wouldn't be buying beef. I would buy something else, chicken for example. | |||
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"The hormone generally used as a growth hormone is oestrogen. Whilst studies have said it is 100% safe to eat, (as I've said previously, there's always an agenda, so perhaps the study was done by the beef industry or the pharmaceutical company making the hormone), there are concerns about the population eating oestrogen, particularly the male population. How much you would need to eat for it to start affecting the hormonal make up of the male population will be part of the study. I, for one am glad that it has been banned in this country for many years. Are Australian males becoming more effeminate? I'll leave it to someone else to ask one! But as I said previously, it is only 40% of grazing beef cattle that are being treated. 60% isn't." No mate i dont think so Rule number 1 no poofters. Rule number 2 definitely no poofters. | |||
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"The hormone generally used as a growth hormone is oestrogen. Whilst studies have said it is 100% safe to eat, (as I've said previously, there's always an agenda, so perhaps the study was done by the beef industry or the pharmaceutical company making the hormone), there are concerns about the population eating oestrogen, particularly the male population. How much you would need to eat for it to start affecting the hormonal make up of the male population will be part of the study. I, for one am glad that it has been banned in this country for many years. Are Australian males becoming more effeminate? I'll leave it to someone else to ask one! But as I said previously, it is only 40% of grazing beef cattle that are being treated. 60% isn't.No mate i dont think so Rule number 1 no poofters. Rule number 2 definitely no poofters. "PMSL | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ?
You will be paying more for manufactured food but that’s due to increased logistics processing etc. Number of reasons , Covid, Brexit , deep sea shippers profiteering.
One side of beef grown on grass compared to a side grown in a stockyard looks and prices roughly the same . Although cheaper to produce in a stockyard.
Do you know which is safer?? If one is 50p less is that because the farm is efficient or has the cow had more drugs to grow unnaturally ?
If you don’t know is that a good thing?
There is nothing cheaper than grass fed beef, aside from a little fertiliser grass is pretty much free. It costs more for beef that are housed. Give a farmer a choice he will always go for the cheaper option. This isn't viable over the winter though, so even grass fed will often be housed.
The difference between the two comes in the finishing time. Grass fed takes longer to finish, perhaps twice as long, costs low but longer return. The opposite is true of housed beef. As for 'drugs' I take it you are talking about gh? Australia use them in around 40% of grass fed beef to speed up the finish of a beef cow. Australia are also facing a backlash over this and many suppliers are instigating a ban on cattle producers using gh. Eventually the market will dictate, if the 'housewife' doesn't buy beef treated with gh, then there will be no market for it.
One of the many things holding up a free trade agreement between the UK and Australia is the refusal of the UK government to accept meat that has been treated with gh.
If it’s clearly labelled we can make a choice ( I’d rather it was banned ). However if it’s used in say a lasagne how would you know ?
The US are pushing to hide country of origin on processed meat products .
Well unless the Aussies are only going to send us the 40% of beef that is treated with growth hormone, which we don't have to accept, I'm sure we would be happy with the 60% that isn't.
Better labelling on products, containing British, Australian, etc meat would be the obvious way to go. Personally I wouldn't buy ready to cook lasagna anyway. Even restaurants should be able to say where the product originates. It could be an advantage to the UK farmer in n much the same way as the red tractor logo. But as usual it's down to the individual to make a choice. Making sure that it is an informed choice, is that the government, the producer or the retail to inform is another argument. Usually British meat of any kind if bought from a butcher will have a union jack on display or on a package if not the red tractor. If it doesn't it's not necessarily UK produced. Then it's down to choice. A free market economy.
If cheap imports take sales from good quality U.K. beef . The U.K. beef has to charge more per sale .
So result cheap stockyard hormone beef is all you can chose if you have a limited budget!
If I had a limited budget, I wouldn't be buying beef. I would buy something else, chicken for example."So not mince or a cheaper joint. The weirdos in north Manchester are partial to tongue. And I don’t mean oral! | |||
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"I was watching countryfile and it seems they are not just going to hand out subsidies for the amount of land you have but what you do with it to improve the environment. This will stop the big landowners just getting richer for no effort,i know a strange policy for tories those lefties wont like that.
So massive Farms in Australia are not owned by the big landowners ?
I dont think this is to de with lefties
Its to do with a brexit bomus surely .
Britsh Farmers worried about
Being under cut .
I know the other one say ****NOT*****
But I'drespond with
Fishing & Fishermen in the UK .
Big promises made
Big promises broken .
If importers are under cutting the locals it means cheaper food for the customers
Do you work for a living?
Why are you asking someone a Question like that ?
Because he’s not looking at the impact of what cheaper food means . But not so long ago we were all going to pay more for our food once we left the eu and that was bad can people make their mind up ?
You will be paying more for manufactured food but that’s due to increased logistics processing etc. Number of reasons , Covid, Brexit , deep sea shippers profiteering.
One side of beef grown on grass compared to a side grown in a stockyard looks and prices roughly the same . Although cheaper to produce in a stockyard.
Do you know which is safer?? If one is 50p less is that because the farm is efficient or has the cow had more drugs to grow unnaturally ?
If you don’t know is that a good thing?
There is nothing cheaper than grass fed beef, aside from a little fertiliser grass is pretty much free. It costs more for beef that are housed. Give a farmer a choice he will always go for the cheaper option. This isn't viable over the winter though, so even grass fed will often be housed.
The difference between the two comes in the finishing time. Grass fed takes longer to finish, perhaps twice as long, costs low but longer return. The opposite is true of housed beef. As for 'drugs' I take it you are talking about gh? Australia use them in around 40% of grass fed beef to speed up the finish of a beef cow. Australia are also facing a backlash over this and many suppliers are instigating a ban on cattle producers using gh. Eventually the market will dictate, if the 'housewife' doesn't buy beef treated with gh, then there will be no market for it.
One of the many things holding up a free trade agreement between the UK and Australia is the refusal of the UK government to accept meat that has been treated with gh.
If it’s clearly labelled we can make a choice ( I’d rather it was banned ). However if it’s used in say a lasagne how would you know ?
The US are pushing to hide country of origin on processed meat products .
Well unless the Aussies are only going to send us the 40% of beef that is treated with growth hormone, which we don't have to accept, I'm sure we would be happy with the 60% that isn't.
Better labelling on products, containing British, Australian, etc meat would be the obvious way to go. Personally I wouldn't buy ready to cook lasagna anyway. Even restaurants should be able to say where the product originates. It could be an advantage to the UK farmer in n much the same way as the red tractor logo. But as usual it's down to the individual to make a choice. Making sure that it is an informed choice, is that the government, the producer or the retail to inform is another argument. Usually British meat of any kind if bought from a butcher will have a union jack on display or on a package if not the red tractor. If it doesn't it's not necessarily UK produced. Then it's down to choice. A free market economy.
If cheap imports take sales from good quality U.K. beef . The U.K. beef has to charge more per sale .
So result cheap stockyard hormone beef is all you can chose if you have a limited budget!
If I had a limited budget, I wouldn't be buying beef. I would buy something else, chicken for example.
So not mince or a cheaper joint. The weirdos in north Manchester are partial to tongue. And I don’t mean oral! "I'm lucky, I don't have to make those decisions. But for those that do, there are cheaper meats out there without resorting to meat that has been treated with growth hormone. How do these people go on now? Surely they just continue to buy what they do now. No need for them not to. Nothing wrong with a bit of tongue in a sandwich, it's chitterlings I tend to draw the line at! | |||
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