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Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever. |
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How do you suggest it could have been dealt with 50 years ago, when the armed forces of the state were murdering their own people, the police, justice system and ploiticans covered up the actions of the army, very hard to deal with these things when every branch of government and civil service conspire in murder and protection of the murderers |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever."
. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. "
 ya those pesky catholic/nationalists people, if they could only accept their place as 3rd class citizens in there own country, be happy with sub standard services, primitive housing, no employment prospects, and recognise that the protestant/unionists majority were there superiors and masters, if only they had accepted all these things there would never been any trouble in northern Ireland |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. ya those pesky catholic/nationalists people, if they could only accept their place as 3rd class citizens in there own country, be happy with sub standard services, primitive housing, no employment prospects, and recognise that the protestant/unionists majority were there superiors and masters, if only they had accepted all these things there would never been any trouble in northern Ireland "
That's what the ballot box is for |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. "
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. ya those pesky catholic/nationalists people, if they could only accept their place as 3rd class citizens in there own country, be happy with sub standard services, primitive housing, no employment prospects, and recognise that the protestant/unionists majority were there superiors and masters, if only they had accepted all these things there would never been any trouble in northern Ireland
That's what the ballot box is for "
Is that why Unionists turned down all of Ulster ? |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. ya those pesky catholic/nationalists people, if they could only accept their place as 3rd class citizens in there own country, be happy with sub standard services, primitive housing, no employment prospects, and recognise that the protestant/unionists majority were there superiors and masters, if only they had accepted all these things there would never been any trouble in northern Ireland
That's what the ballot box is for "
The ballot box wasn't any use for Nationalists and or Catholics due to gerrymandering.
Going forward the ballot box will be important as Catholics are now the majority in Northern Ireland |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. ya those pesky catholic/nationalists people, if they could only accept their place as 3rd class citizens in there own country, be happy with sub standard services, primitive housing, no employment prospects, and recognise that the protestant/unionists majority were there superiors and masters, if only they had accepted all these things there would never been any trouble in northern Ireland
That's what the ballot box is for "
What a priceless comment
Nationalist couldn’t use the ballot box because
drumroll
A lot of them didn’t have a vote |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. "
Whataboutery klaxon sounded
The reality is in Ballymurphy innocent unarmed men women and children were murdered by the British army
The same regiment also murdered innocent Protestant civilians days later on the shankill road.
I can go down through the victims,who they were,their ages and how they died
If you want
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live.
Whataboutery klaxon sounded
The reality is in Ballymurphy innocent unarmed men women and children were murdered by the British army
The same regiment also murdered innocent Protestant civilians days later on the shankill road.
I can go down through the victims,who they were,their ages and how they died
If you want
"
Dont forget
They were then transferred to Derry &
Then Bloody Sunday Happened .
What Did Ivan Cooper ( protestant & founding member of the sdlp ) say that day at the press conference ?
Something about the Westminster government giving the PIRA
Huge amounts of people wanting to join them . |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever."
Murdering British bstrds thats the only words for them |
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By *andy 1Couple
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. "
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By *obka3Couple
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Murdering British bstrds thats the only words for them "
Bet you would say that to their faces. |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever."
"who have gone beyond what is acceptable"
Doesn't that need to be proven first or are they already guilty in your eyes?
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Murdering British bstrds thats the only words for them "
NI is British so yeah maybe all those involved are but it does need to be proved first. |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
"who have gone beyond what is acceptable"
Doesn't that need to be proven first or are they already guilty in your eyes?
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Are you saying this isnt proven? |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
"who have gone beyond what is acceptable"
Doesn't that need to be proven first or are they already guilty in your eyes?
Are you saying this isnt proven?"
It's my understanding Ballymurphy case is still ongoing, is this not the case? |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
"who have gone beyond what is acceptable"
Doesn't that need to be proven first or are they already guilty in your eyes?
Are you saying this isnt proven?
It's my understanding Ballymurphy case is still ongoing, is this not the case?"
Why have they apologised then? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ... The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)." |
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I think youll find Irish passport holders in Northern Ireland have Irish Citizenship .
Under terms of the Belfast Agreement
Both the UK & Ireland agreed, that No 1 entity
Would usurp the other & both would respect the traditions
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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"...it is the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly [the two governments] confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland." |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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still applies:
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ... The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)." |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
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NI is British
Is it F*ck !"
. I think you will find that Northern Ireland is British . You will see plenty of Union Jacks and the currency in use is sterling . Income tax is paid to the British Government and likewise those in receipt of benefits receive it from the British Government |
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"Never mind
Northern ireland never will be British .
Its a Geographical impossibility .
'British' isn't a 'land-mass' lol. "
Britain is
Northern ireland isnt part of Britain .
If we follow your logic
Luton is Scottish
Cardiff is Cokney
Glasgow is Welsh |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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NI is British
Is it F*ck !. I think you will find that Northern Ireland is British . You will see plenty of Union Jacks and the currency in use is sterling . Income tax is paid to the British Government and likewise those in receipt of benefits receive it from the British Government "
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Never mind
Northern ireland never will be British .
Its a Geographical impossibility .
'British' isn't a 'land-mass' lol.
Britain is
Northern ireland isnt part of Britain .
If we follow your logic
Luton is Scottish
Cardiff is Cokney
Glasgow is Welsh "
So. Is 'British' a Land-Mass'?  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Never mind
Northern ireland never will be British .
Its a Geographical impossibility .
'British' isn't a 'land-mass' lol.
Britain is
Northern ireland isnt part of Britain .
If we follow your logic
Luton is Scottish
Cardiff is Cokney
Glasgow is Welsh
So. Is 'British' a Land-Mass'? "
Give up you are being trolled. |
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"Never mind
Northern ireland never will be British .
Its a Geographical impossibility .
'British' isn't a 'land-mass' lol.
Britain is
Northern ireland isnt part of Britain .
If we follow your logic
Luton is Scottish
Cardiff is Cokney
Glasgow is Welsh
So. Is 'British' a Land-Mass'? "
A British Land Mass
Normally Priests being beheaded wasnt it |
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"Never mind
Northern ireland never will be British .
Its a Geographical impossibility .
'British' isn't a 'land-mass' lol.
Britain is
Northern ireland isnt part of Britain .
If we follow your logic
Luton is Scottish
Cardiff is Cokney
Glasgow is Welsh
So. Is 'British' a Land-Mass'? Give up you are being trolled. "
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************." |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************.""
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North ! |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !"
What about those NI born people who call themselves British? |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?"
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ? |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?"
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish "
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change . |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change ."
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both. |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change .
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both."
And you have a link to the page on NI Directs
Website where this is stated .
To prove your post.is correct of course
P.S why has NI Directs home page have 2 languages on it ?
English & Gaelige ? |
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"Hahahaha priceless.
Anyway. Why does the UK.gov site have a Welsh language version?
Maybe it's because there are more languages in the UK than English.
"
Its called devolvment
People in Wales dont want to be controlled by Westminster .
Bit like the New Majority in
Northern Ireland dont want to be controled by the U.K .
I knew wed get to this bit eventually . |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change .
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both.
And you have a link to the page on NI Directs
Website where this is stated .
To prove your post.is correct of course
P.S why has NI Directs home page have 2 languages on it ?
English & Gaelige ?"
Here you are -
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/about-northern-ireland
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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"Hahahaha priceless.
Anyway. Why does the UK.gov site have a Welsh language version?
Maybe it's because there are more languages in the UK than English.
Its called devolvment
People in Wales dont want to be controlled by Westminster .
Bit like the New Majority in
Northern Ireland dont want to be controled by the U.K .
I knew wed get to this bit eventually ."
I think you mean 'Devolution'.
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change .
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both.
And you have a link to the page on NI Directs
Website where this is stated .
To prove your post.is correct of course
P.S why has NI Directs home page have 2 languages on it ?
English & Gaelige ?
Here you are -
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/about-northern-ireland
"
So not a direct link but a homepage with a
Link to citizenship .
Which proves what I said originally
about the Belfast Agreement .
Which has Superceded the Nationality Act .
It accepts that neither is superior or dominant.
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"Hahahaha priceless.
Anyway. Why does the UK.gov site have a Welsh language version?
Maybe it's because there are more languages in the UK than English.
Its called devolvment
People in Wales dont want to be controlled by Westminster .
Bit like the New Majority in
Northern Ireland dont want to be controled by the U.K .
I knew wed get to this bit eventually .
I think you mean 'Devolution'.
"
Nope,
I mean Devolved Territories
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change .
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both.
And you have a link to the page on NI Directs
Website where this is stated .
To prove your post.is correct of course
P.S why has NI Directs home page have 2 languages on it ?
English & Gaelige ?
Here you are -
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/about-northern-ireland
So not a direct link but a homepage with a
Link to citizenship .
Which proves what I said originally
about the Belfast Agreement .
Which has Superceded the Nationality Act .
It accepts that neither is superior or dominant.
"
I never said either is superior or dominant. You have been arguing for hours that NI isn't British. It is, it's British, Irish or Both. Whichever the individual chooses. |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change .
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both.
And you have a link to the page on NI Directs
Website where this is stated .
To prove your post.is correct of course
P.S why has NI Directs home page have 2 languages on it ?
English & Gaelige ?
Here you are -
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/about-northern-ireland
So not a direct link but a homepage with a
Link to citizenship .
Which proves what I said originally
about the Belfast Agreement .
Which has Superceded the Nationality Act .
It accepts that neither is superior or dominant.
I never said either is superior or dominant. You have been arguing for hours that NI isn't British. It is, it's British, Irish or Both. Whichever the individual chooses."
In view of NI direct it is British & Irish .
To me its Really Roman French .
After the Breton people who moved to
France who are in fact just Celts .
Breton being Brittany in France .
So in fact just European or we could even say
Earthly .
I like to have a good fliw in the discussion.
This was about Ballymurphy & The inquest being finished
Someone decided to re route the chat ,
So i decided to .
Just for the fun if it on a boring afternoon for me
Hioe you dont mind .
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change .
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both.
And you have a link to the page on NI Directs
Website where this is stated .
To prove your post.is correct of course
P.S why has NI Directs home page have 2 languages on it ?
English & Gaelige ?
Here you are -
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/about-northern-ireland
So not a direct link but a homepage with a
Link to citizenship .
Which proves what I said originally
about the Belfast Agreement .
Which has Superceded the Nationality Act .
It accepts that neither is superior or dominant.
I never said either is superior or dominant. You have been arguing for hours that NI isn't British. It is, it's British, Irish or Both. Whichever the individual chooses.
In view of NI direct it is British & Irish .
To me its Really Roman French .
After the Breton people who moved to
France who are in fact just Celts .
Breton being Brittany in France .
So in fact just European or we could even say
Earthly .
I like to have a good fliw in the discussion.
This was about Ballymurphy & The inquest being finished
Someone decided to re route the chat ,
So i decided to .
Just for the fun if it on a boring afternoon for me
Hioe you dont mind .
"
Hope you dont mind
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change .
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both.
And you have a link to the page on NI Directs
Website where this is stated .
To prove your post.is correct of course
P.S why has NI Directs home page have 2 languages on it ?
English & Gaelige ?
Here you are -
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/about-northern-ireland
So not a direct link but a homepage with a
Link to citizenship .
Which proves what I said originally
about the Belfast Agreement .
Which has Superceded the Nationality Act .
It accepts that neither is superior or dominant.
I never said either is superior or dominant. You have been arguing for hours that NI isn't British. It is, it's British, Irish or Both. Whichever the individual chooses.
In view of NI direct it is British & Irish .
To me its Really Roman French .
After the Breton people who moved to
France who are in fact just Celts .
Breton being Brittany in France .
So in fact just European or we could even say
Earthly .
I like to have a good fliw in the discussion.
This was about Ballymurphy & The inquest being finished
Someone decided to re route the chat ,
So i decided to .
Just for the fun if it on a boring afternoon for me
Hioe you dont mind .
"
Fair enough.
I don't mind at all |
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"Okay last time . . . The Nationality Act.
"The people of Northern Ireland are British in terms of citizenship status under the UK nationality laws and also under the political constitution of being an integral part of the United Kingdom. ...
****************The people of Northern Ireland are Irish (geocultural) who are British (political and citizenship)*****************."
Sorry
Regardless of what you claim about some
Citizenship status that has been enforced
On the Native people of the island, shows its &
Your Bigoted view of the Knew majority in the North !
What about those NI born people who call themselves British?
If you are born in Northern ireland you are
Northern Irish or
You are Irish .
If you are born in poole for example does
that make you scottish ?
That doesn't answer my question.
However, you could be born in Poole to Scottish parents so yes, you could class yourself as Scottish
Which would mean you were English
Of Scottish dissent.
How is your question not answered ?
If you are born in Northern Ireland
You are Northern Irish or Irish .
Not British as you need to be born on the
island of Great Britain .
Some Nationality act from 1948 which Has
already stated was superceded by the Belfast agreement
in terms of neither has claim over the other &
neither shall be superior to the other until the majority
Decide to vote on a change .
Well it would make you English or British. However, who is to argue that you couldn't be Scottish. I say this knowing a friend of mine refers to himself as Scottish having never lived there.
As for the NI debate. According to NI Direct. The nationality for NI is British, Irish or Both.
And you have a link to the page on NI Directs
Website where this is stated .
To prove your post.is correct of course
P.S why has NI Directs home page have 2 languages on it ?
English & Gaelige ?
Here you are -
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/about-northern-ireland
So not a direct link but a homepage with a
Link to citizenship .
Which proves what I said originally
about the Belfast Agreement .
Which has Superceded the Nationality Act .
It accepts that neither is superior or dominant.
I never said either is superior or dominant. You have been arguing for hours that NI isn't British. It is, it's British, Irish or Both. Whichever the individual chooses.
In view of NI direct it is British & Irish .
To me its Really Roman French .
After the Breton people who moved to
France who are in fact just Celts .
Breton being Brittany in France .
So in fact just European or we could even say
Earthly .
I like to have a good fliw in the discussion.
This was about Ballymurphy & The inquest being finished
Someone decided to re route the chat ,
So i decided to .
Just for the fun if it on a boring afternoon for me
Hioe you dont mind .
Fair enough.
I don't mind at all "
Shall we get back on point
The Coroner stated
Innocent people were murdered
The government apologised
Nobody went to jail for it .
The disdain by the uk authorities
For a certain section of
The population of Northern Ireland
Is truly shameful .
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it. |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever."
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice "
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes. |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice "
. No member of the forces or police force were allowed to commit murder. Unlike the IRA they were fully accountable for all their movements. I do not think the IRA kept a log of their members movements or supplied it to the police for the purposes of investigating terrorist offences including numerous murders .
There may be a very small number of cases where there is a possibility that innocent people died . If you were a member of the security forces you had split second in which to make a instant decision about saving your life . The IRA were ruthless criminals who ignored the ballot box, were only supported by a very small minority and murdered and maimed innocent people constantly during the troubles . In the circumstances members of the security forces were hardly going to carry out a full risk assessment before taking action. They had to take immediate action to save their lives . Most IRA members were truly horrible people. In some cases , girls even chatted up men and lured them to their death.
Where innocent people lost their lives it was not deliberate. The people to blame are the IRA for creating the situation in the first place.
Imagine being pelted with bricks, having petrol bombs thrown at you and hearing gunfire in the background. You hsve a split second to save your own life.
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it."
1 How can you jail someone for an unsolved murder ?
2 People who have been released have been in Jail.
3 who are the 2 "terrorists" you are naming ?
4 this doesnt do anything to appease the families of
10 innocent people murdered .
5 It has also been stated that if Ballymurphy
Had not been a " Cover Up " Bloody Sunday
Would not have happened & the troubles really
Wouldnt have taken off in such a huge way . |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes."
Northern Ireland wasnt a War Zone
It eas a civil problem that Westminster
allowed to get out of hand.
There was No WAR ! |
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it."
You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
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Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes."
I agree.
I wouldn't wanna do it.
But on the flip side if that line is crossed..there should be some sort of justice.
Otherwise we have no right to call anyone terrorists as we are no better. |
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You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
"
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"Never mind
Northern ireland never will be British .
Its a Geographical impossibility .
'British' isn't a 'land-mass' lol.
Britain is
Northern ireland isnt part of Britain .
If we follow your logic
Luton is Scottish
Cardiff is Cokney
Glasgow is Welsh
So. Is 'British' a Land-Mass'? "
The British Isles is a land mass yes.
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
1 How can you jail someone for an unsolved murder ?
2 People who have been released have been in Jail.
3 who are the 2 "terrorists" you are naming ?
4 this doesnt do anything to appease the families of
10 innocent people murdered .
5 It has also been stated that if Ballymurphy
Had not been a " Cover Up " Bloody Sunday
Would not have happened & the troubles really
Wouldnt have taken off in such a huge way ."
Mcguiness and Adam's,both high ranking ira commanders both have blood on their hands |
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You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Yet both face the same justice system under the same laws"
So the suffragettes,Nelson Mandela and the resistance were terrorists too? |
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By *obka3Couple
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
"
Tell that to those who got blown up and killed by the IRA.
More armchair warriors about in this thread who havent the slightest clue about the reality of the pressures and fear that everytime you went on patrol you might get shot or blown up by what appeared a normal car or reason walking down the street, it was a dirty war the soldiers were stuck in the middle, |
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Yet both face the same justice system under the same laws
So the suffragettes,Nelson Mandela and the resistance were terrorists too?"
If you say so. You do seem to be the all knowing oracle. |
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By *obka3Couple
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Yet both face the same justice system under the same laws
So the suffragettes,Nelson Mandela and the resistance were terrorists too?"
Look up the definition of the word,Mandela was a terrorist, the others werent |
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Yet both face the same justice system under the same laws
So the suffragettes,Nelson Mandela and the resistance were terrorists too? If you say so. You do seem to be the all knowing oracle. "
I simply posed it as a question
I find it odd that people can see history in such black and white terms.
The English have done some horrific things in Ireland for centuries and people are surprised they are slightly annoyed. |
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"A person who uses unlawful vioemce,in the pursuit of political aims
Didnt the suftsgettes throw a bomb through a window?
And the resistance murdered collaborates.
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so what you're saying is the Army should be given the same treatment as the suffragettes and Nelson Mandela? |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes.
I agree.
I wouldn't wanna do it.
But on the flip side if that line is crossed..there should be some sort of justice.
Otherwise we have no right to call anyone terrorists as we are no better."
. Agreed however even soldiers are innocent till proven guilty. |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes.
I agree.
I wouldn't wanna do it.
But on the flip side if that line is crossed..there should be some sort of justice.
Otherwise we have no right to call anyone terrorists as we are no better.. Agreed however even soldiers are innocent till proven guilty."
Dont think anyone has argued any differently? |
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By *obka3Couple
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"A person who uses unlawful vioemce,in the pursuit of political aims
Didnt the suftsgettes throw a bomb through a window?
And the resistance murdered collaborates.
"
Looked it up yes the suffragettes did use some bombs, didnt know that do yes they would have been classed as terrorists, the resistance fighters were trying to remove a foreign power from their own country, northern Ireland was not occupied during the troubles, it was the majorities wish to remain british . |
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"A person who uses unlawful vioemce,in the pursuit of political aims
Didnt the suftsgettes throw a bomb through a window?
And the resistance murdered collaborates.
Looked it up yes the suffragettes did use some bombs, didnt know that do yes they would have been classed as terrorists, the resistance fighters were trying to remove a foreign power from their own country, northern Ireland was not occupied during the troubles, it was the majorities wish to remain british ."
I would have called a huge military presence an occupation. |
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You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Yet both face the same justice system under the same laws"
Do they ? |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes.
I agree.
I wouldn't wanna do it.
But on the flip side if that line is crossed..there should be some sort of justice.
Otherwise we have no right to call anyone terrorists as we are no better.. Agreed however even soldiers are innocent till proven guilty.
Dont think anyone has argued any differently?"
Really? what about "murdering bastards" that has been mentioned a few times on this thread? |
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By *obka3Couple
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"A person who uses unlawful vioemce,in the pursuit of political aims
Didnt the suftsgettes throw a bomb through a window?
And the resistance murdered collaborates.
Looked it up yes the suffragettes did use some bombs, didnt know that do yes they would have been classed as terrorists, the resistance fighters were trying to remove a foreign power from their own country, northern Ireland was not occupied during the troubles, it was the majorities wish to remain british .
I would have called a huge military presence an occupation. "
You cant "occupy" your own country, if the majority vote for unification then that's fine until then it is and was to protect the 99% of the population from terrorist killings. |
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Use of the word terrorist is very strong considering its used to deacribe the IRA. Ballymurphy were acts of terrorism by the British Army covered up by the state, Bloody Sunday was an act of terrorism covered up by the state.
I think people in England need to open their eyes and see what actually goes on. You will never hear of the countless murders by the British army here because they were less publicised and less in number not mentioning the fact the amount of kids the army killed.
Your policy was to cover it up across the Irish sea and make no mistale about it your policy is to cover it up in Afghanistan & Iraq too. |
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You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Yet both face the same justice system under the same laws
Do they ?"
I was wondering about that |
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"A person who uses unlawful vioemce,in the pursuit of political aims
Didnt the suftsgettes throw a bomb through a window?
And the resistance murdered collaborates.
Looked it up yes the suffragettes did use some bombs, didnt know that do yes they would have been classed as terrorists, the resistance fighters were trying to remove a foreign power from their own country, northern Ireland was not occupied during the troubles, it was the majorities wish to remain british .
I would have called a huge military presence an occupation.
You cant "occupy" your own country, if the majority vote for unification then that's fine until then it is and was to protect the 99% of the population from terrorist killings. "
And that worked out quite well
As for the 'own country 'argument, without getting into all that semantics argument,wasnt Ireland a colony? |
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You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Yet both face the same justice system under the same laws
Do they ?"
In theory, yes they do. |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes.
I agree.
I wouldn't wanna do it.
But on the flip side if that line is crossed..there should be some sort of justice.
Otherwise we have no right to call anyone terrorists as we are no better.. Agreed however even soldiers are innocent till proven guilty.
Dont think anyone has argued any differently?
Really? what about "murdering bastards" that has been mentioned a few times on this thread?"
Maybe they refer to the soldiers who killed innocent people? |
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
1 How can you jail someone for an unsolved murder ?
2 People who have been released have been in Jail.
3 who are the 2 "terrorists" you are naming ?
4 this doesnt do anything to appease the families of
10 innocent people murdered .
5 It has also been stated that if Ballymurphy
Had not been a " Cover Up " Bloody Sunday
Would not have happened & the troubles really
Wouldnt have taken off in such a huge way .
Mcguiness and Adam's,both high ranking ira commanders both have blood on their hands "
You have proof ?
Adams was interned w/o trial & won 2 cases at the Uks highest court
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gerry-adams-maze-prison-escape-supreme-court-conviction-appeal-verdict-a9511666.html%3famp
McGuiness was never charged Jailed or convicted
Of any activity in the UK , strange that for 1 supposedly
so high in a " terrorist " organisation .
There are evn rumours circulating he was an informer.
Both leading members of Sinn Fein , which is not the
Command of the Provisionals , Just to be clear.
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Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes.
I agree.
I wouldn't wanna do it.
But on the flip side if that line is crossed..there should be some sort of justice.
Otherwise we have no right to call anyone terrorists as we are no better.. Agreed however even soldiers are innocent till proven guilty.
Dont think anyone has argued any differently?
Really? what about "murdering bastards" that has been mentioned a few times on this thread?
Maybe they refer to the soldiers who killed innocent people?"
Not until it is proven, if we are still talking about Ballymurphy
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Mcguinness done time for IRA membership so there you are mistaken.
There is no pressure in shooting a child dead that has a pint of milk or a priest waving a white hankie.
Soldiers singing wheres your papa gone to the murdered victims family.
People think oh the IRA where as bad, the IRA were not the Governement.
Collusion, shoot to kill, divide and conquer have all been a dirty political game the Brits have employed the world over. |
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You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Tell that to those who got blown up and killed by the IRA.
More armchair warriors about in this thread who havent the slightest clue about the reality of the pressures and fear that everytime you went on patrol you might get shot or blown up by what appeared a normal car or reason walking down the street, it was a dirty war the soldiers were stuck in the middle, "
You have never experienced the fear of being a civilian walking around your home , having an armed force pointing its
Weapons of death at you , have you .
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"Mcguinness done time for IRA membership so there you are mistaken.
There is no pressure in shooting a child dead that has a pint of milk or a priest waving a white hankie.
Soldiers singing wheres your papa gone to the murdered victims family.
People think oh the IRA where as bad, the IRA were not the Governement.
Collusion, shoot to kill, divide and conquer have all been a dirty political game the Brits have employed the world over. "
Im afraid i am not mistaken .
You just misread my post .
I quite clearly stated McGuiness was never
Jailed in the UK .
I am well aware he spent time in an Irish Jail . |
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You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Tell that to those who got blown up and killed by the IRA.
More armchair warriors about in this thread who havent the slightest clue about the reality of the pressures and fear that everytime you went on patrol you might get shot or blown up by what appeared a normal car or reason walking down the street, it was a dirty war the soldiers were stuck in the middle,
You have never experienced the fear of being a civilian walking around your home , having an armed force pointing its
Weapons of death at you , have you .
"
It is hardly a like for like comparison.
The IRA were cold blooded murders who killed and maimed numerous innocent people, many for simply doing their jobs
Arms soldiers were not going to use their weapons, they were simply there to protect them .
The majority of the population support the forces of law and order. The intimidation that the IRA carried out against nationalists who did not support their cause was disgracefull. |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes.
I agree.
I wouldn't wanna do it.
But on the flip side if that line is crossed..there should be some sort of justice.
Otherwise we have no right to call anyone terrorists as we are no better.. Agreed however even soldiers are innocent till proven guilty.
Dont think anyone has argued any differently?
Really? what about "murdering bastards" that has been mentioned a few times on this thread?
Maybe they refer to the soldiers who killed innocent people?
Not until it is proven, if we are still talking about Ballymurphy
"
It doesnt need to be proven
The Coroner has clearly stated that excessive force was used .
What you are saying is that individuals
Might be innocent .
WHAT the coroner is actually saying is the
Unit, the battalion, the heirachy is
All guilty collectively . |
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Tell that to those who got blown up and killed by the IRA.
More armchair warriors about in this thread who havent the slightest clue about the reality of the pressures and fear that everytime you went on patrol you might get shot or blown up by what appeared a normal car or reason walking down the street, it was a dirty war the soldiers were stuck in the middle,
You have never experienced the fear of being a civilian walking around your home , having an armed force pointing its
Weapons of death at you , have you .
It is hardly a like for like comparison.
The IRA were cold blooded murders who killed and maimed numerous innocent people, many for simply doing their jobs
Arms soldiers were not going to use their weapons, they were simply there to protect them .
The majority of the population support the forces of law and order. The intimidation that the IRA carried out against nationalists who did not support their cause was disgracefull. "
However SOME members of the armed forces did use there
weapons to murder innocent people .
They never faced Jail or the threat of jail .
Unlike the " terrorists" who did .
This is not soldiering on trial .
This is bad soldiering on trial .
Please understand the difference .
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Tell that to those who got blown up and killed by the IRA.
More armchair warriors about in this thread who havent the slightest clue about the reality of the pressures and fear that everytime you went on patrol you might get shot or blown up by what appeared a normal car or reason walking down the street, it was a dirty war the soldiers were stuck in the middle,
You have never experienced the fear of being a civilian walking around your home , having an armed force pointing its
Weapons of death at you , have you .
It is hardly a like for like comparison.
The IRA were cold blooded murders who killed and maimed numerous innocent people, many for simply doing their jobs
Arms soldiers were not going to use their weapons, they were simply there to protect them .
The majority of the population support the forces of law and order. The intimidation that the IRA carried out against nationalists who did not support their cause was disgracefull. "
The innocent people murdered by some nationalist terror gangs was equally disgraceful pat ..
To keep pretending otherwise is naive and an insult to the innocent victims whomever they were in that time..
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"How many ira murders have gone unsolved and some who have been have been released, two terrorists have been in the highest posts in the power sharing agreement, some need to look at their own side for those who committed murder and got away with it.
You realise there is a slight difference between a terrorist organisation and an army?
Tell that to those who got blown up and killed by the IRA.
More armchair warriors about in this thread who havent the slightest clue about the reality of the pressures and fear that everytime you went on patrol you might get shot or blown up by what appeared a normal car or reason walking down the street, it was a dirty war the soldiers were stuck in the middle,
You have never experienced the fear of being a civilian walking around your home , having an armed force pointing its
Weapons of death at you , have you .
It is hardly a like for like comparison.
The IRA were cold blooded murders who killed and maimed numerous innocent people, many for simply doing their jobs
Arms soldiers were not going to use their weapons, they were simply there to protect them .
The majority of the population support the forces of law and order. The intimidation that the IRA carried out against nationalists who did not support their cause was disgracefull.
The innocent people murdered by some nationalist terror gangs was equally disgraceful pat ..
To keep pretending otherwise is naive and an insult to the innocent victims whomever they were in that time..
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To Ignore the actions of the British State over
Centuries leading to an attemoted genocide of
The native people is an Insult to the people
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However if you wanted to take a slightly more rational or objective approach it would be necessary to list everyone who died in the troubles and why. I do not think anyone disputes the fact that the main perpetrators of murder, violence and intimidation were the IRA . You cannot just list a few deaths that might suit your narrative and ignore thousands of others. As things stand the majority of the population in Northern Ireland support the forces of law and order. |
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"However if you wanted to take a slightly more rational or objective approach it would be necessary to list everyone who died in the troubles and why. I do not think anyone disputes the fact that the main perpetrators of murder, violence and intimidation were the IRA . You cannot just list a few deaths that might suit your narrative and ignore thousands of others. As things stand the majority of the population in Northern Ireland support the forces of law and order. "
Everyone who died in the troubles
Would be impossible to list .
Cromwell would be the main starting point
We could then see that in fact the biggest perpetrators
Of death were in fact those non native
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.
Let's get this straight the brits where allowed to murder catholics, you only need to watch the documentarys ,ballymurhy they were nothing but murder bastards and should be brought to justice
That's the second time you've referred to soldiers as 'murdering bastards'.
Have you ever ben in a war zone? And come under the immense pressure that soldiers do? Have you ever had to make those split second decisions that may change your whole life forever?
Maybe you shouldn't cast such aspersions unless you've walked in their shoes.
I agree.
I wouldn't wanna do it.
But on the flip side if that line is crossed..there should be some sort of justice.
Otherwise we have no right to call anyone terrorists as we are no better.. Agreed however even soldiers are innocent till proven guilty.
Dont think anyone has argued any differently?
Really? what about "murdering bastards" that has been mentioned a few times on this thread?
Maybe they refer to the soldiers who killed innocent people?
Not until it is proven, if we are still talking about Ballymurphy
It doesnt need to be proven
The Coroner has clearly stated that excessive force was used .
What you are saying is that individuals
Might be innocent .
WHAT the coroner is actually saying is the
Unit, the battalion, the heirachy is
All guilty collectively ."
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"Mcguinness done time for IRA membership so there you are mistaken.
There is no pressure in shooting a child dead that has a pint of milk or a priest waving a white hankie.
Soldiers singing wheres your papa gone to the murdered victims family.
People think oh the IRA where as bad, the IRA were not the Governement.
Collusion, shoot to kill, divide and conquer have all been a dirty political game the Brits have employed the world over. "
"Collusion, shoot to kill, divide and conquer have all been a dirty political game the Brits have employed the world over."
Every nation does when in any armed conflict even PIRA in Northern Ireland did. |
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"In fact probably the greatest failing of the British Empire
Was its failure to completely control the Irish & There lands ."
Worlds smallest violin starts to play
Sniffle
The colonisers burden
Sniffle
Maybe you lot should have taken the hint and realised you weren’t wanted in our country and instead left as opposed to planting,starving and shooting us and trying to demolish our culture |
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"In fact probably the greatest failing of the British Empire
Was its failure to completely control the Irish & There lands .
Worlds smallest violin starts to play
Sniffle
The colonisers burden
Sniffle
Maybe you lot should have taken the hint and realised you weren’t wanted in our country and instead left as opposed to planting,starving and shooting us and trying to demolish our culture "
Maybe you need to read properly & follow a thread entirely .
P.S its called a Fiddle not a feckin violin !! |
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"In fact probably the greatest failing of the British Empire
Was its failure to completely control the Irish & There lands .
Worlds smallest violin starts to play
Sniffle
The colonisers burden
Sniffle
Maybe you lot should have taken the hint and realised you weren’t wanted in our country and instead left as opposed to planting,starving and shooting us and trying to demolish our culture
Maybe you need to read properly & follow a thread entirely .
P.S its called a Fiddle not a feckin violin !!"
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"In fact probably the greatest failing of the British Empire
Was its failure to completely control the Irish & There lands .
Worlds smallest violin starts to play
Sniffle
The colonisers burden
Sniffle
Maybe you lot should have taken the hint and realised you weren’t wanted in our country and instead left as opposed to planting,starving and shooting us and trying to demolish our culture
Maybe you need to read properly & follow a thread entirely .
P.S its called a Fiddle not a feckin violin !!
Maybe you should educate yourself on the difference between a fiddle and a violin "
Would you ever stop being an Omadhaun .
I have enough on my hads dealing with the
Red white & blue brigade ! |
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"In fact probably the greatest failing of the British Empire
Was its failure to completely control the Irish & There lands .
Worlds smallest violin starts to play
Sniffle
The colonisers burden
Sniffle
Maybe you lot should have taken the hint and realised you weren’t wanted in our country and instead left as opposed to planting,starving and shooting us and trying to demolish our culture
Maybe you need to read properly & follow a thread entirely .
P.S its called a Fiddle not a feckin violin !!
Maybe you should educate yourself on the difference between a fiddle and a violin
Would you ever stop being an Omadhaun .
I have enough on my hads dealing with the
Red white & blue brigade !"
And there is how the
INLA seperated from PIRA
Some arse arguing over a fiddle &
Another arse arguing over a Violin !!
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I think your wrong on a lot of things if not all here and if you read into the case yes they did intend to kill innocent people it was a war and now thankfully over
"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ballymurphy-families-angered-by-boris-johnson-apology-letter-1.4564026%3fmode=amp
Seems like they did the usual trick of waiting until everyone is dead,before issuing some half arsed apology.
Works a treat every time.
To be honest the bulk of the population are not really going to be bothered about this, probably because it doesnt affect them personally, but the moves by the gmnt to make it even harder to prosecute soldiers, who have gone beyond what is acceptable, is no surprise whatsoever.. There can be no justification for even considering the prosecution of soldiers . They were simply men doing their job and did not get up in the morning with the intention of either injuring or hurting anyone. They were there to protect the residents of Northern Ireland, most of whom support the forces of law and order. The IRA were unable to sustain support via a ballot box and instead of accepting democracy engaged in a sustained terror campaign involving murder , seriously injuring people and a vicious campaign of intimidation.
How would you like to have to have bullet proof windows in your house and check your car every day for undecorated bombs before using it .
As far as I am aware the IRA and various republican organisations have never apologised for the numerous innocent people that they either injured or murdered. Not only that , they were responsible for long term economic damage to the economy in Northern Ireland.
Simply speaking to a police officer or providing a service such as construction was sufficient to see you murdered. What type of society is that in which to live. "
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"The INLA never seperated from the PIRA. "
Of course they seperated form PIRA .
I didnt say they were part of PIRA
I said they sepereated from PIRA
They were formed by OIRA we know that
But there mission was always
Seperated form that of PIRA |
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"In fact probably the greatest failing of the British Empire
Was its failure to completely control the Irish & There lands .
Worlds smallest violin starts to play
Sniffle
The colonisers burden
Sniffle
Maybe you lot should have taken the hint and realised you weren’t wanted in our country and instead left as opposed to planting,starving and shooting us and trying to demolish our culture
Maybe you need to read properly & follow a thread entirely .
P.S its called a Fiddle not a feckin violin !!
Maybe you should educate yourself on the difference between a fiddle and a violin
Would you ever stop being an Omadhaun .
I have enough on my hads dealing with the
Red white & blue brigade !"
Maybe you could learn to spell amadaun correctly as well. |
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"In fact probably the greatest failing of the British Empire
Was its failure to completely control the Irish & There lands .
Worlds smallest violin starts to play
Sniffle
The colonisers burden
Sniffle
Maybe you lot should have taken the hint and realised you weren’t wanted in our country and instead left as opposed to planting,starving and shooting us and trying to demolish our culture
Maybe you need to read properly & follow a thread entirely .
P.S its called a Fiddle not a feckin violin !!
Maybe you should educate yourself on the difference between a fiddle and a violin
Would you ever stop being an Omadhaun .
I have enough on my hads dealing with the
Red white & blue brigade !
Maybe you could learn to spell amadaun correctly as well."
Not everyone would speak Gaeilge so
Omadhaun will suffice .
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