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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one." Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. | |||
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"There should be NO racism in any sport or life...I support what they kneel for. "Taking the knee is a personal choice, those taking it shouldn’t be booed and those not taking it shouldn’t be booed. | |||
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"Which end did the booing come from ? " It doesn't really take a genius to work that out. | |||
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"Which end did the booing come from ? " Came from both ends, but then drowned out by applause. | |||
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"There should be NO racism in any sport or life...I support what they kneel for.
Taking the knee is a personal choice, those taking it shouldn’t be booed and those not taking it shouldn’t be booed. "Now this we do agree on. | |||
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"How about a thought for the little lad killed by a lightening strike whilst out playing football instead of a criminal high on drugs being arrested for a crime in another country " What has that got to do with the booing at Wembley? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. " If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then?" No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist " what does it make the people booing those who dont take the knee? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist what does it make the people booing those who dont take the knee?" Dickheads. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist what does it make the people booing those who dont take the knee?" Fools, | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist what does it make the people booing those who dont take the knee? Fools, " Blimey we agree again cant have this im off.  | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist what does it make the people booing those who dont take the knee? Fools, Blimey we agree again cant have this im off. "Sorry, I will make sure it doesn’t happen again. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist what does it make the people booing those who dont take the knee?" When did that happen? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist " Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?  | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that? "Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that? "It’s really quite simple. If a person decides that they want to perform a non confrontational and entirely personal gesture that underlines their absolute opposition to racism, what can it make you other than a racist if you boo them for making that gesture? It doesn’t harm you, it doesn’t affect you and it is entirely personal to the person making the gesture. Ergo... you can only be against what the gesture stands for. | |||
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"There should be NO racism in any sport or life...I support what they kneel for.
Taking the knee is a personal choice, those taking it shouldn’t be booed and those not taking it shouldn’t be booed. "100% right mate | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ? "Some might be tempted to boo because for example: 1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies 2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda"Would you boo Chris? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda"1) utter nonsense. 2) what is their "own agenda"? This sounds like any excuse to boo people who stand up to racism. Not surprising considering how many threads you start here expressing your outrage at people who oppose race hate. I don't know if this is one of your characters you play, or if you're genuinely petrified that safe spaces for racists are disappearing. But either way, it's zero craic. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris? "Boo who and when? | |||
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"How about a thought for the little lad killed by a lightening strike whilst out playing football instead of a criminal high on drugs being arrested for a crime in another country What has that got to do with the booing at Wembley? " Erm... | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda"My view which may not be correct? People from all races do not want politics in sport. So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem . I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power . The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned . | |||
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"How about a thought for the little lad killed by a lightening strike whilst out playing football instead of a criminal high on drugs being arrested for a crime in another country What has that got to do with the booing at Wembley? Erm..." Try again, erm is a very poor answer | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
My view which may not be correct?
People from all races do not want politics in sport.
So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem .
I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power .
The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned .
"Can you clarify what the last paragraph has got to do with anything ? | |||
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"How about a thought for the little lad killed by a lightening strike whilst out playing football instead of a criminal high on drugs being arrested for a crime in another country What has that got to do with the booing at Wembley? Erm..." I'm also not understanding your point. Are you suggesting that footballers should take the knee to show solidarity with people fighting against lightening strikes? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?"Would you boo a person who took the knee ? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
1) utter nonsense.
2) what is their "own agenda"?
This sounds like any excuse to boo people who stand up to racism. Not surprising considering how many threads you start here expressing your outrage at people who oppose race hate.
I don't know if this is one of your characters you play, or if you're genuinely petrified that safe spaces for racists are disappearing. But either way, it's zero craic. "It is not standing up to racism. Far from it. It is ZERO craic | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one." It is NOT a stance agaisnt racism | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. It is NOT a stance agaisnt racism" I think you're confused. It definitely is. Google it. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. It is NOT a stance agaisnt racism" Who are you to say that? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
My view which may not be correct?
People from all races do not want politics in sport.
So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem .
I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power .
The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned .
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
1) utter nonsense.
2) what is their "own agenda"?
This sounds like any excuse to boo people who stand up to racism. Not surprising considering how many threads you start here expressing your outrage at people who oppose race hate.
I don't know if this is one of your characters you play, or if you're genuinely petrified that safe spaces for racists are disappearing. But either way, it's zero craic.
It is not standing up to racism. Far from it. It is ZERO craic"Your confusion is disturbing, the alternative is worse | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda"But you were talking about you booing Kier . Not point 1 & 2 that you made to try & waffle your way out of an awkward question you have fa8led to answer . Isnt he allowed to make a personal choice to take a knee . Why are you booing him for taking the knee ? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. It is NOT a stance agaisnt racism" Of course it is Its standing upto Racism & Bigotry . | |||
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"There should be NO racism in any sport or life...I support what they kneel for.
Taking the knee is a personal choice, those taking it shouldn’t be booed and those not taking it shouldn’t be booed. "Spot on there. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ? "Who and when.. That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it You want to generalise Categorise But that’s not how the world turns is it... | |||
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"Can't write a letter, can't take a knee, can't protest, can't speak out. So what do they want people to do?" Do what you like. But that option is slowly being eroded day by day until everything is all compromised out | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it..."Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
My view which may not be correct?
People from all races do not want politics in sport.
So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem .
I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power .
The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned .
Can you clarify what the last paragraph has got to do with anything ? "Very simple , as both parents looked causation. People assumed that wife had been, I will use word unfaithful . So couple had black baby. In the world now that we live in . Due to mixed marriages. This does happen and still people do not understand , or believe. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
My view which may not be correct?
People from all races do not want politics in sport.
So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem .
I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power .
The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned .
Can you clarify what the last paragraph has got to do with anything ?
Very simple , as both parents looked causation. People assumed that wife had been, I will use word unfaithful . So couple had black baby. In the world now that we live in . Due to mixed marriages. This does happen and still people do not understand , or believe. "Yeah, it’s a shame that happened, I am still not sure why it’s relevant to the OP though | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
My view which may not be correct?
People from all races do not want politics in sport.
So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem .
I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power .
The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned .
Can you clarify what the last paragraph has got to do with anything ?
Very simple , as both parents looked causation. People assumed that wife had been, I will use word unfaithful . So couple had black baby. In the world now that we live in . Due to mixed marriages. This does happen and still people do not understand , or believe. "Should be Caucasian. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
My view which may not be correct?
People from all races do not want politics in sport.
So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem .
I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power .
The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned .
Can you clarify what the last paragraph has got to do with anything ?
Very simple , as both parents looked causation. People assumed that wife had been, I will use word unfaithful . So couple had black baby. In the world now that we live in . Due to mixed marriages. This does happen and still people do not understand , or believe.
Should be Caucasian.
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’? "Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons? You can’t generalise your way through this stuff. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
My view which may not be correct?
People from all races do not want politics in sport.
So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem .
I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power .
The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned .
Can you clarify what the last paragraph has got to do with anything ?
Very simple , as both parents looked causation. People assumed that wife had been, I will use word unfaithful . So couple had black baby. In the world now that we live in . Due to mixed marriages. This does happen and still people do not understand , or believe.
Should be Caucasian Caucasian.
Are you friend with Pat ? "Very odd do not know who Pat is . For you information . I have several fiends who I will term as non white and was married to a asian female. Now being very honest. Having worked in a company who employed a lot of nationalities . The problems that occurred were between the non Caucasian employees. Rather than white / non white. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff."You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist. The OP was clear. Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d. You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about. What is it? Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy? Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
My view which may not be correct?
People from all races do not want politics in sport.
So if you get as above people doing the knee. Then there is a problem .
I have a coloured friend and he is very annoyed when sports people take knee if they then use the one handed gesture . As he takes it as black power not equal power .
The one thing to add . Another couple who I have known for years. When they married , both look Caucasian. Wife grandfather was from Jamaica. They had a baby. The genetics skipped a few years and the comments , looks they got . Was not nice. Baby was to be honest very dark skinned .
Can you clarify what the last paragraph has got to do with anything ?
Very simple , as both parents looked causation. People assumed that wife had been, I will use word unfaithful . So couple had black baby. In the world now that we live in . Due to mixed marriages. This does happen and still people do not understand , or believe.
Should be Caucasian Caucasian.
Are you friend with Pat ?
Very odd do not know who Pat is . For you information . I have several fiends who I will term as non white and was married to a asian female. Now being very honest. Having worked in a company who employed a lot of nationalities . The problems that occurred were between the non Caucasian employees. Rather than white / non white. "Right, | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff."I will ask you again Chris, would you boo ‘any’ footballer for taking the knee at the 2021 FA cup final, Wembley stadium , 17:30 , 14th May 2021 ? | |||
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"I'm massively confused here....should people boo or applaud Wilfred zaha for refusing to take a knee at kick off a few weeks ago? He's a person of colour that plays for crystal palace btw....for those who aren't clued up about soccer ball. "He shouldn’t be booed, it is his personal choice , | |||
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"I'm massively confused here....should people boo or applaud Wilfred zaha for refusing to take a knee at kick off a few weeks ago? He's a person of colour that plays for crystal palace btw....for those who aren't clued up about soccer ball. "He doesn't take a knee because he feels more needs to be done to stop racism and felt more meaningful action needs to be taken. Did you forget that part? | |||
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"I'm massively confused here....should people boo or applaud Wilfred zaha for refusing to take a knee at kick off a few weeks ago? He's a person of colour that plays for crystal palace btw....for those who aren't clued up about soccer ball. "Nothing to be confused over really . Report Racists & Bigots to the stewards & they get slung out & banned for Life . Booing wont be needed then , Unless of course igs.for an ex player of your team Playing against you .  | |||
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"Which end did the booing come from ? It doesn't really take a genius to work that out." It was both ends. | |||
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"It's funny, sport should really bring people together but it appears to be dividing people. It keeps getting hijacked for political and social agendas,instead of being just a game of sport. As far as I can remember there's always been racism in sport and there always will be. The solution? There is no solution. If someone hates you because of your colour they are not going to change and you can't change them. The only way to deal with it is to play your game and let that do the talking. " I agree that sport should bring people together. I don't accept that things can't change and players and fans shouldn't have to accept that as a part of sport. I remember watching a documentary about Britain's first black footballers (Out of their skin, ITV)and the things they went through were cruel and it did affect their game. Fast forward to today and it still happens. It wasn't acceptable then and it's not acceptable now. It's easy to say let your ability do the talking but that level of abuse has effects on mental health which is a key part of a player's game. | |||
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"It's funny, sport should really bring people together but it appears to be dividing people. It keeps getting hijacked for political and social agendas,instead of being just a game of sport. As far as I can remember there's always been racism in sport and there always will be. The solution? There is no solution. If someone hates you because of your colour they are not going to change and you can't change them. The only way to deal with it is to play your game and let that do the talking. " Yeah All those political NF chaps throwing bananas on the pitch back in the 70s & 80s didnt do Football any favours | |||
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. " Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics. | |||
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics." Have to disagree here. When that discrimination is directed towards the state then it is political. | |||
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"It's funny, sport should really bring people together but it appears to be dividing people. It keeps getting hijacked for political and social agendas,instead of being just a game of sport. As far as I can remember there's always been racism in sport and there always will be. The solution? There is no solution. If someone hates you because of your colour they are not going to change and you can't change them. The only way to deal with it is to play your game and let that do the talking. " I'm comfortable sport bringing everyone together except racists. This do-nothing approach you're suggesting creates a safe space for racists. Which then excludes anyone who is the target of the racism, so this isn't "bringing everyone together". I'd much rather include all non-racists, whatever their ethnicity, and promote an atmosphere that's unwelcoming to the race hate enthusiasts. | |||
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics. Have to disagree here. When that discrimination is directed towards the state then it is political. " Doing nothing about racism in football, is also a political choice. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
I will ask you again Chris, would you boo ‘any’ footballer for taking the knee at the 2021 FA cup final, Wembley stadium , 17:30 , 14th May 2021 ?
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics. Have to disagree here. When that discrimination is directed towards the state then it is political. " It’s a football match, the players are rejecting racism in football. | |||
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"I only kneel for one reason lol" To say your prayers ? | |||
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics." It has nothing to do with soccer either. | |||
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics. Have to disagree here. When that discrimination is directed towards the state then it is political. Doing nothing about racism in football, is also a political choice." Is football racist? You probably think your toothbrush is racist. | |||
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics. It has nothing to do with soccer either." So rejecting racism in football has nothing to do with football? I think we get a sense of where you are with this. Shame you just haven’t got the guts to come out and say it directly. | |||
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"Say what directly? I don’t believe anyone kneeling specifically during the national anthem is doing so because of a sense of racism on the very field they are playing on. You seem to feel that’s what is going on, I simply disagree. " No one knelt during the National Anthem. They knelt afterwards | |||
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"Did we watch a different game cos I only heard booing once the game was playing and assumed it was in retaliation for Chelsea trying to join the super league. " Chillwell got a few boos from the leicester fans | |||
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"Did we watch a different game cos I only heard booing once the game was playing and assumed it was in retaliation for Chelsea trying to join the super league. " I thought that too | |||
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics. Have to disagree here. When that discrimination is directed towards the state then it is political. Doing nothing about racism in football, is also a political choice. Is football racist? You probably think your toothbrush is racist." Football isn't racist. My toothbrush isn't racist. I'm comfortable with football matches not being a safe space for racists. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest."To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things. For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that? Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical."How would you feel, if they were taking a stand on something you did believe in. So instead of being against racism, if they were campaigning against non-racists, like you do. Would you support that? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
How would you feel, if they were taking a stand on something you did believe in. So instead of being against racism, if they were campaigning against non-racists, like you do. Would you support that?"No idea what the question means, in English? If a bunch of overpaid Nancy boys who are employed to kick a bag of wind around stood in the centre circle and waved Union Jacks to support Brexit before a game, then even I, known for my piercing intellect, would find it daft and irrelevant. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
How would you feel, if they were taking a stand on something you did believe in. So instead of being against racism, if they were campaigning against non-racists, like you do. Would you support that?
No idea what the question means, in English?
If a bunch of overpaid Nancy boys who are employed to kick a bag of wind around stood in the centre circle and waved Union Jacks to support Brexit before a game, then even I, known for my piercing intellect, would find it daft and irrelevant. "Yeah, that's what I was asking. Thank you. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
How would you feel, if they were taking a stand on something you did believe in. So instead of being against racism, if they were campaigning against non-racists, like you do. Would you support that?
No idea what the question means, in English?
If a bunch of overpaid Nancy boys who are employed to kick a bag of wind around stood in the centre circle and waved Union Jacks to support Brexit before a game, then even I, known for my piercing intellect, would find it daft and irrelevant.
Yeah, that's what I was asking. Thank you."Glad I've changed your mind. Today's lesson Be open minded and question everything, and defeat your own prejudices | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
How would you feel, if they were taking a stand on something you did believe in. So instead of being against racism, if they were campaigning against non-racists, like you do. Would you support that?
No idea what the question means, in English?
If a bunch of overpaid Nancy boys who are employed to kick a bag of wind around stood in the centre circle and waved Union Jacks to support Brexit before a game, then even I, known for my piercing intellect, would find it daft and irrelevant.
Yeah, that's what I was asking. Thank you.
Glad I've changed your mind.
Today's lesson
Be open minded and question everything, and defeat your own prejudices "I think you replied to the wrong person. I haven't changed my mind about keeping race hate out of football. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
How would you feel, if they were taking a stand on something you did believe in. So instead of being against racism, if they were campaigning against non-racists, like you do. Would you support that?
No idea what the question means, in English?
If a bunch of overpaid Nancy boys who are employed to kick a bag of wind around stood in the centre circle and waved Union Jacks to support Brexit before a game, then even I, known for my piercing intellect, would find it daft and irrelevant.
Yeah, that's what I was asking. Thank you.
Glad I've changed your mind.
Today's lesson
Be open minded and question everything, and defeat your own prejudices
I think you replied to the wrong person.
I haven't changed my mind about keeping race hate out of football."Nah I’ve replied to the right on person. Glad I’ve made you think a little more deeply about this issue. Here to help | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical."We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981 | |||
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"It’s sports, not a political demonstration. Politics? Being opposed to people being victimised or even simply being treated differently because of their skin colour is not politics. It is about human decency and has nothing to do with politics. Have to disagree here. When that discrimination is directed towards the state then it is political. It’s a football match, the players are rejecting racism in football." They did not start to take the knee last year because of racism in football. It was in togetherness with the BLM movement. That's not to say there isn't racism in football, there very much is. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981 "My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one." Personally while I would not boo I do not aprove as it is destroying the message it is wanting to send. I hope next season it will not happen and will write to the FA if they continue to do this,I hope many will. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction. "You've made your anti-anti-racist case often and loudly on this forum. We never got to the bottom of why anti-racists upset you so much. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction.
You've made your anti-anti-racist case often and loudly on this forum.
We never got to the bottom of why anti-racists upset you so much.
"I hope you can get up to speed on Thomas Sowell , if reading is too much effort there’s a few of his speeches on YouTube. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction.
You've made your anti-anti-racist case often and loudly on this forum.
We never got to the bottom of why anti-racists upset you so much.
I hope you can get up to speed on Thomas Sowell , if reading is too much effort there’s a few of his speeches on YouTube. "Can you tell me why I should read his stuff? Do you think it will persuade me to become a race hate enthusiast? Or to fear non-racists like you do? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one.Personally while I would not boo I do not aprove as it is destroying the message it is wanting to send. I hope next season it will not happen and will write to the FA if they continue to do this,I hope many will. " That is a very odd thing to say. The players themselves say that they take the knee as a public rejection of racism in football. How can it destroy their own message and how can it upset you so much that you would want to complain about it? What is it about people taking a stand against racism that you don’t like? Perhaps you need to air your inner feelings and come out with what you really mean? It could be quite cathartic to not hide what you really mean. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction.
You've made your anti-anti-racist case often and loudly on this forum.
We never got to the bottom of why anti-racists upset you so much.
I hope you can get up to speed on Thomas Sowell , if reading is too much effort there’s a few of his speeches on YouTube.
Can you tell me why I should read his stuff?
Do you think it will persuade me to become a race hate enthusiast? Or to fear non-racists like you do?"Thomas Sowell is a black professor. We have discussed this. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction.
You've made your anti-anti-racist case often and loudly on this forum.
We never got to the bottom of why anti-racists upset you so much.
I hope you can get up to speed on Thomas Sowell , if reading is too much effort there’s a few of his speeches on YouTube.
Can you tell me why I should read his stuff?
Do you think it will persuade me to become a race hate enthusiast? Or to fear non-racists like you do?
Thomas Sowell is a black professor. We have discussed this. "Here's the thing you don't seem to understand about people who aren't racist. We don't judge people by the colour of their skin. You should give it a try at some point. It's not as terrifying as you might think. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction.
You've made your anti-anti-racist case often and loudly on this forum.
We never got to the bottom of why anti-racists upset you so much.
I hope you can get up to speed on Thomas Sowell , if reading is too much effort there’s a few of his speeches on YouTube. "Was he at Wembley yesterday ? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction.
You've made your anti-anti-racist case often and loudly on this forum.
We never got to the bottom of why anti-racists upset you so much.
I hope you can get up to speed on Thomas Sowell , if reading is too much effort there’s a few of his speeches on YouTube.
Was he at Wembley yesterday ?"Chelsea's top boy. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one.Personally while I would not boo I do not aprove as it is destroying the message it is wanting to send. I hope next season it will not happen and will write to the FA if they continue to do this,I hope many will. That is a very odd thing to say. The players themselves say that they take the knee as a public rejection of racism in football. How can it destroy their own message and how can it upset you so much that you would want to complain about it? What is it about people taking a stand against racism that you don’t like? Perhaps you need to air your inner feelings and come out with what you really mean? It could be quite cathartic to not hide what you really mean." It causes racism the abuse towards players has increased in oart I believe because of taking the knee. In the USA it has largely stopped as it annoys many people.Yes it was good at first but now is pointless in my view and in the view of many | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one.Personally while I would not boo I do not aprove as it is destroying the message it is wanting to send. I hope next season it will not happen and will write to the FA if they continue to do this,I hope many will. That is a very odd thing to say. The players themselves say that they take the knee as a public rejection of racism in football. How can it destroy their own message and how can it upset you so much that you would want to complain about it? What is it about people taking a stand against racism that you don’t like? Perhaps you need to air your inner feelings and come out with what you really mean? It could be quite cathartic to not hide what you really mean.It causes racism the abuse towards players has increased in oart I believe because of taking the knee. In the USA it has largely stopped as it annoys many people.Yes it was good at first but now is pointless in my view and in the view of many" So - to be clear, you are suggesting that players protesting about racism in the way that THEY themselves have chosen, is causing more people to be racist towards them?? In your world then, players should just put up with a bit of racism because protesting about a bit of racism will only result in even more targeted racism? I am interested to know if you yourself might consider being racist towards footballers because they are protesting about racism? Or are you talking generically about other (non/specified) people? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction.
You've made your anti-anti-racist case often and loudly on this forum.
We never got to the bottom of why anti-racists upset you so much.
I hope you can get up to speed on Thomas Sowell , if reading is too much effort there’s a few of his speeches on YouTube.
Was he at Wembley yesterday ?
Chelsea's top boy." | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one.Personally while I would not boo I do not aprove as it is destroying the message it is wanting to send. I hope next season it will not happen and will write to the FA if they continue to do this,I hope many will. That is a very odd thing to say. The players themselves say that they take the knee as a public rejection of racism in football. How can it destroy their own message and how can it upset you so much that you would want to complain about it? What is it about people taking a stand against racism that you don’t like? Perhaps you need to air your inner feelings and come out with what you really mean? It could be quite cathartic to not hide what you really mean.It causes racism the abuse towards players has increased in oart I believe because of taking the knee. In the USA it has largely stopped as it annoys many people.Yes it was good at first but now is pointless in my view and in the view of many So - to be clear, you are suggesting that players protesting about racism in the way that THEY themselves have chosen, is causing more people to be racist towards them?? In your world then, players should just put up with a bit of racism because protesting about a bit of racism will only result in even more targeted racism? I am interested to know if you yourself might consider being racist towards footballers because they are protesting about racism? Or are you talking generically about other (non/specified) people?" Generally not especilly about footballers. Football is the greatest love of my life and I shout at white and black playeers when watching my team if they play badly I rant at them allways have done all very normal so therefore in your perveted thinking I am racist against the whole human race lol. As for BML well things have moved on in America and around the world but seems to linger in the UK and has becoming boring to most.Yes we all got the message. However you attack me all the time for some reason known to yourself maybe you never get bored of things | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one.Personally while I would not boo I do not aprove as it is destroying the message it is wanting to send. I hope next season it will not happen and will write to the FA if they continue to do this,I hope many will. That is a very odd thing to say. The players themselves say that they take the knee as a public rejection of racism in football. How can it destroy their own message and how can it upset you so much that you would want to complain about it? What is it about people taking a stand against racism that you don’t like? Perhaps you need to air your inner feelings and come out with what you really mean? It could be quite cathartic to not hide what you really mean.It causes racism the abuse towards players has increased in oart I believe because of taking the knee. In the USA it has largely stopped as it annoys many people.Yes it was good at first but now is pointless in my view and in the view of many So - to be clear, you are suggesting that players protesting about racism in the way that THEY themselves have chosen, is causing more people to be racist towards them?? In your world then, players should just put up with a bit of racism because protesting about a bit of racism will only result in even more targeted racism? I am interested to know if you yourself might consider being racist towards footballers because they are protesting about racism? Or are you talking generically about other (non/specified) people?Generally not especilly about footballers. Football is the greatest love of my life and I shout at white and black playeers when watching my team if they play badly I rant at them allways have done all very normal so therefore in your perveted thinking I am racist against the whole human race lol. As for BML well things have moved on in America and around the world but seems to linger in the UK and has becoming boring to most.Yes we all got the message. However you attack me all the time for some reason known to yourself maybe you never get bored of things" Why are you talking about BLM? Taking the knee is something that British Footballers have decided that they want to do as their way of taking a stand against racism football. If football was the greatest love of your life, you would know that. I don’t attack you, and I am not attacking you know. I am simply curious as to how you seem to know that footballers will get more racist abuse because they are protesting about racist abuse. Is there some personal emotional reaction in yourself that that makes you think that others think the same? It truly is bizarre to assert that people protesting about a bit of racism will experience more if they carry on protesting. Why would you even say that if you were not being triggered that way yourself? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. If you don’t take the knee are you a racist then? No, but if you boo a person who is taking the knee then your a racist Hang on If I boo a white guy taking a knee, like , er, let’s say Captain Forensic, Sir Keir, then I’m a racist? Are you sure about that?
Yeah, why would you boo? What are you trying to say? Isn’t he allowed to make a personal choice to take the knee? why would it offend you ?
Some might be tempted to boo because for example:
1) BLM supports defunding the police and various other fringe extreme policies
2) Some people, including black athletes, think taking the knee is pious virtue signalling by people with their own agenda
Would you boo Chris?
Boo who and when?
Would you boo a person who took the knee ?
Who and when..
That’s kind of the problem with your crew isn’t it
You want to generalise
Categorise
But that’s not how the world turns is it...
Would you boo a footballer for taking the knee, that is what the OP is about . Be brave Chris, say what you feel, Btw, who is ‘my crew’?
Which footballer? Who? When? What were they doing it for? Did they believe in it or did they do it for commercial reasons?
You can’t generalise your way through this stuff.
You seem to be wallowing knee keep in your attempts to not come across as a racist.
The OP was clear.
Personal gestures to oppose racism are being boo’d.
You are either supportive of people who oppose racism, or you think racism is kind of cool because anyone who isn’t white (and British) isn’t worth worrying about.
What is it?
Do you support gestures that support an anti-racist agenda, or are you wholly supportive of white supremacy?
Why not just be brave and spit out? It will be good for your conscience to be absolutely honest.
To me it’s a bit like famous “dress up at a party as a Nazi for a laugh” Prince Harry now lecturing the rest of us on racism and being achingly woke in all things.
For incredibly well paid white footballers who have huge commercial interests to protect, if you’re only efforts against racism are taking a knee then no, how could anyone respect that?
Woke virtue signalling at its worst and most cynical.
We all know your position on this Chris, it’s a shame your not brave enough to be honest . I guess all this so called ‘wokeness’ has achieved one of its aims , you need to re educate yourself , it’s 2021 not 1981
My position is one of deep thought and consideration rather than hysterical reaction. "Taking the knee is a ‘hysterical reaction’? I will ask you again, do you think it was right that people booed players for taking the knee at Saturdays FA cup final ? | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one.Personally while I would not boo I do not aprove as it is destroying the message it is wanting to send. I hope next season it will not happen and will write to the FA if they continue to do this,I hope many will. That is a very odd thing to say. The players themselves say that they take the knee as a public rejection of racism in football. How can it destroy their own message and how can it upset you so much that you would want to complain about it? What is it about people taking a stand against racism that you don’t like? Perhaps you need to air your inner feelings and come out with what you really mean? It could be quite cathartic to not hide what you really mean.It causes racism the abuse towards players has increased in oart I believe because of taking the knee. In the USA it has largely stopped as it annoys many people.Yes it was good at first but now is pointless in my view and in the view of many So - to be clear, you are suggesting that players protesting about racism in the way that THEY themselves have chosen, is causing more people to be racist towards them?? In your world then, players should just put up with a bit of racism because protesting about a bit of racism will only result in even more targeted racism? I am interested to know if you yourself might consider being racist towards footballers because they are protesting about racism? Or are you talking generically about other (non/specified) people?Generally not especilly about footballers. Football is the greatest love of my life and I shout at white and black playeers when watching my team if they play badly I rant at them allways have done all very normal so therefore in your perveted thinking I am racist against the whole human race lol. As for BML well things have moved on in America and around the world but seems to linger in the UK and has becoming boring to most.Yes we all got the message. However you attack me all the time for some reason known to yourself maybe you never get bored of things Why are you talking about BLM? Taking the knee is something that British Footballers have decided that they want to do as their way of taking a stand against racism football. If football was the greatest love of your life, you would know that. I don’t attack you, and I am not attacking you know. I am simply curious as to how you seem to know that footballers will get more racist abuse because they are protesting about racist abuse. Is there some personal emotional reaction in yourself that that makes you think that others think the same? It truly is bizarre to assert that people protesting about a bit of racism will experience more if they carry on protesting. Why would you even say that if you were not being triggered that way yourself?" Bizarre, racists abuse people and racists abuse people for protesting against racism, both are racists . So what Emma is claiming is that they must stop people from protesting against racism and racists because they will get abused by racists . Strange world we live in | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one.Personally while I would not boo I do not aprove as it is destroying the message it is wanting to send. I hope next season it will not happen and will write to the FA if they continue to do this,I hope many will. That is a very odd thing to say. The players themselves say that they take the knee as a public rejection of racism in football. How can it destroy their own message and how can it upset you so much that you would want to complain about it? What is it about people taking a stand against racism that you don’t like? Perhaps you need to air your inner feelings and come out with what you really mean? It could be quite cathartic to not hide what you really mean.It causes racism the abuse towards players has increased in oart I believe because of taking the knee. In the USA it has largely stopped as it annoys many people.Yes it was good at first but now is pointless in my view and in the view of many So - to be clear, you are suggesting that players protesting about racism in the way that THEY themselves have chosen, is causing more people to be racist towards them?? In your world then, players should just put up with a bit of racism because protesting about a bit of racism will only result in even more targeted racism? I am interested to know if you yourself might consider being racist towards footballers because they are protesting about racism? Or are you talking generically about other (non/specified) people?Generally not especilly about footballers. Football is the greatest love of my life and I shout at white and black playeers when watching my team if they play badly I rant at them allways have done all very normal so therefore in your perveted thinking I am racist against the whole human race lol. As for BML well things have moved on in America and around the world but seems to linger in the UK and has becoming boring to most.Yes we all got the message. However you attack me all the time for some reason known to yourself maybe you never get bored of things Why are you talking about BLM? Taking the knee is something that British Footballers have decided that they want to do as their way of taking a stand against racism football. If football was the greatest love of your life, you would know that. I don’t attack you, and I am not attacking you know. I am simply curious as to how you seem to know that footballers will get more racist abuse because they are protesting about racist abuse. Is there some personal emotional reaction in yourself that that makes you think that others think the same? It truly is bizarre to assert that people protesting about a bit of racism will experience more if they carry on protesting. Why would you even say that if you were not being triggered that way yourself?" A good assumtion yes in my past | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we." I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we." I also noticed that but also it was soon replaced by other fans clapping to drown it out. Not all fans are the same thankfully | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I also noticed that but also it was soon replaced by other fans clapping to drown it out. Not all fans are the same thankfully" according to the sprts presenter on local radio sounded louder than it was because of the empty stadium was only 8500 allowed in but no matter what was a disgrace | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club." Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we." I've been going to football matches for over 40 years now, and things have improved so much. Racism at club level is miniscule, as every club has players and officials of colour. Any isolated racist event is rightly quickly called out. Its a bit more prevalent during "Ingerland" games but it really is the vocal minority and is very much more xenophobic. | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media." social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much " I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated " Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'?" The ones who boo and jeer their own teammates? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'?" Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? " Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. " The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee " What is it they need to be educated on? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? " The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? " 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? " Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee " This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? " These are personal choices being made by individual players, it is not an FA Dictat. When the likes of Rashford and Sterling get racially abused week in and week out, they have every right to protest that kind of intolerance any way they want. If the gesture triggers the thoughts of BLM in some people and they feel outraged enough to then make an excuse in their own mind that Marcus Rashford is a Marxist... Well clearly, the problem does not lie with Marcus Rashford or any of the other players who have his back and support him by also taking the knee. Racists object to players taking the knee because racists want to be able carry on being racist and not get called out for what they are. | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus." The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . " Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? " Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? " I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? " Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against " Yes No No | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against Yes No No " Fair enough, so what is it about a players personal choice to take the knee as a gesture against racism that you are against ? | |||
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"There are many football fans now indifferent to the gesture. They don't boo, rather just let them get on with it. Its an attitude that some black players are adopting. They don't see real change and see the gesture as largely meaningless and past its sell by date now. " He's trying to tie you up but he doesn't understand the words you write  | |||
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"There are many football fans now indifferent to the gesture. They don't boo, rather just let them get on with it. Its an attitude that some black players are adopting. They don't see real change and see the gesture as largely meaningless and past its sell by date now. " Tbh,I agree , it has gone on a bit too long, it was a powerful statement at first, much like clapping the NHS, but like most things they lose their impact over time . However, I don’t think it is helpful to boo players who continue to take the knee if they want too and you have to remember the vast majority of the matches where taking the knee has become the norm have been without fans . | |||
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"There are many football fans now indifferent to the gesture. They don't boo, rather just let them get on with it. Its an attitude that some black players are adopting. They don't see real change and see the gesture as largely meaningless and past its sell by date now. Tbh,I agree , it has gone on a bit too long, it was a powerful statement at first, much like clapping the NHS, but like most things they lose their impact over time . However, I don’t think it is helpful to boo players who continue to take the knee if they want too and you have to remember the vast majority of the matches where taking the knee has become the norm have been without fans . " I tune in to watch sport,if i wanted to watch woke bs I'd tune into channel four,bbcnews or other msm for the latest in liberal virtue signaling | |||
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"There are many football fans now indifferent to the gesture. They don't boo, rather just let them get on with it. Its an attitude that some black players are adopting. They don't see real change and see the gesture as largely meaningless and past its sell by date now. Tbh,I agree , it has gone on a bit too long, it was a powerful statement at first, much like clapping the NHS, but like most things they lose their impact over time . However, I don’t think it is helpful to boo players who continue to take the knee if they want too and you have to remember the vast majority of the matches where taking the knee has become the norm have been without fans . I tune in to watch sport,if i wanted to watch woke bs I'd tune into channel four,bbcnews or other msm for the latest in liberal virtue signaling " What is this ‘woke bs’ that you are referring too? | |||
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"There are many football fans now indifferent to the gesture. They don't boo, rather just let them get on with it. Its an attitude that some black players are adopting. They don't see real change and see the gesture as largely meaningless and past its sell by date now. Tbh,I agree , it has gone on a bit too long, it was a powerful statement at first, much like clapping the NHS, but like most things they lose their impact over time . However, I don’t think it is helpful to boo players who continue to take the knee if they want too and you have to remember the vast majority of the matches where taking the knee has become the norm have been without fans . I tune in to watch sport,if i wanted to watch woke bs I'd tune into channel four,bbcnews or other msm for the latest in liberal virtue signaling What is this ‘woke bs’ that you are referring too? " Nick Robinson? Andrew neill? Laura k? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against Yes No No Fair enough, so what is it about a players personal choice to take the knee as a gesture against racism that you are against ? " I haven't indicated that I am against a player choosing whether or not to take the knee, however for clarity - I am not against anyone choosing whether or not to take the knee. Is there a difference between a player choosing not to take the knee and someone displaying their dislike of the use of the gesture? I am still unclear why you think one warrants the label of being racist and requiring education. Surely the player and the person booing are in the same situation - dislike of the gesture | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against Yes No No Fair enough, so what is it about a players personal choice to take the knee as a gesture against racism that you are against ? I haven't indicated that I am against a player choosing whether or not to take the knee, however for clarity - I am not against anyone choosing whether or not to take the knee. Is there a difference between a player choosing not to take the knee and someone displaying their dislike of the use of the gesture? I am still unclear why you think one warrants the label of being racist and requiring education. Surely the player and the person booing are in the same situation - dislike of the gesture " Here is the difference, the player not taking the knee isn’t publicly booing and demeaning the players that are taking the knee. They have made a personal choice not to take the knee whilst respecting the personal choice of players who take the knee. | |||
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"There are many football fans now indifferent to the gesture. They don't boo, rather just let them get on with it. Its an attitude that some black players are adopting. They don't see real change and see the gesture as largely meaningless and past its sell by date now. Tbh,I agree , it has gone on a bit too long, it was a powerful statement at first, much like clapping the NHS, but like most things they lose their impact over time . However, I don’t think it is helpful to boo players who continue to take the knee if they want too and you have to remember the vast majority of the matches where taking the knee has become the norm have been without fans . I tune in to watch sport,if i wanted to watch woke bs I'd tune into channel four,bbcnews or other msm for the latest in liberal virtue signaling What is this ‘woke bs’ that you are referring too? Nick Robinson? Andrew neill? Laura k?" Piers Morgan GB news | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against Yes No No Fair enough, so what is it about a players personal choice to take the knee as a gesture against racism that you are against ? I haven't indicated that I am against a player choosing whether or not to take the knee, however for clarity - I am not against anyone choosing whether or not to take the knee. Is there a difference between a player choosing not to take the knee and someone displaying their dislike of the use of the gesture? I am still unclear why you think one warrants the label of being racist and requiring education. Surely the player and the person booing are in the same situation - dislike of the gesture Here is the difference, the player not taking the knee isn’t publicly booing and demeaning the players that are taking the knee. They have made a personal choice not to take the knee whilst respecting the personal choice of players who take the knee. " Demeaning to the players - the gesture itself is demeaning - this is exactly the reason one footballer chooses not to take the knee. As soon as there is doubt about its purpose and symbolism the gesture has lost all meaning of unity and solidarity for a shared cause. You cant start having a discussion about why some players do and some don't when it is detracting from the real conversation to be had. Hoping that racism in football will be tackled by adopting a tarnished gesture will not fix the problem. Voicing opposition to its use is as powerful as the player who stands tall and doesn't take a knee when all around them are on bended knee. | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against Yes No No Fair enough, so what is it about a players personal choice to take the knee as a gesture against racism that you are against ? I haven't indicated that I am against a player choosing whether or not to take the knee, however for clarity - I am not against anyone choosing whether or not to take the knee. Is there a difference between a player choosing not to take the knee and someone displaying their dislike of the use of the gesture? I am still unclear why you think one warrants the label of being racist and requiring education. Surely the player and the person booing are in the same situation - dislike of the gesture Here is the difference, the player not taking the knee isn’t publicly booing and demeaning the players that are taking the knee. They have made a personal choice not to take the knee whilst respecting the personal choice of players who take the knee. Demeaning to the players - the gesture itself is demeaning - this is exactly the reason one footballer chooses not to take the knee. As soon as there is doubt about its purpose and symbolism the gesture has lost all meaning of unity and solidarity for a shared cause. You cant start having a discussion about why some players do and some don't when it is detracting from the real conversation to be had. Hoping that racism in football will be tackled by adopting a tarnished gesture will not fix the problem. Voicing opposition to its use is as powerful as the player who stands tall and doesn't take a knee when all around them are on bended knee. " So you are stating that players who take the knee are demeaning themselves? | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against Yes No No Fair enough, so what is it about a players personal choice to take the knee as a gesture against racism that you are against ? I haven't indicated that I am against a player choosing whether or not to take the knee, however for clarity - I am not against anyone choosing whether or not to take the knee. Is there a difference between a player choosing not to take the knee and someone displaying their dislike of the use of the gesture? I am still unclear why you think one warrants the label of being racist and requiring education. Surely the player and the person booing are in the same situation - dislike of the gesture Here is the difference, the player not taking the knee isn’t publicly booing and demeaning the players that are taking the knee. They have made a personal choice not to take the knee whilst respecting the personal choice of players who take the knee. Demeaning to the players - the gesture itself is demeaning - this is exactly the reason one footballer chooses not to take the knee. As soon as there is doubt about its purpose and symbolism the gesture has lost all meaning of unity and solidarity for a shared cause. You cant start having a discussion about why some players do and some don't when it is detracting from the real conversation to be had. Hoping that racism in football will be tackled by adopting a tarnished gesture will not fix the problem. Voicing opposition to its use is as powerful as the player who stands tall and doesn't take a knee when all around them are on bended knee. So you are stating that players who take the knee are demeaning themselves? " I think players should stand tall and united in tackling racial abuse in football. | |||
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"The England players were boo’d again in their Euro friendly warm up yesterday. The players choosing to make a stand against intolerance and racism by taking the knee and some sections of their own supporters demonstrate exactly why they are protesting by intolerably booing players making their own decisions to protest in the way they want. Clearly intolerance and racism is rife amongst football supporters - but I guess we knew that all along didn’t we. I'm know England fan lover but I guess a big chunk.of it is that blm is seen as left wing whilst most England fans would probally be in the oafs fan club. Multi-Millionaire football stars are unlikely to be BLM Marxists/left wing activists. It is the players choice to protest against intolerance and racism in any way they see fit. Intolerant supporters claiming that they are objecting to politics, Marxism or left wing virtue signalling in football cannot possibly be equated to what footballers like Marcus Rashford endure on a daily basis on Social Media. social media ? Look at the shit rashford gets on here he would be better thought of if he was a head banging strippers every nite do you think if it was Harry Kane he would get stick I doubt it very much I agree, it’s disgusting , these morons need to be shamed then educated Does this also apply to the footballers who choose not to 'take the knee'? Taking the knee is a personal choice, booing for taking or not taking the knee is moronic . Why would a person boo a footballer for taking the knee? Not taking the knee is a personal choice - yes. Is that suggesting their personal choice is ok and they don't need to be educated on what the gesture actually stands for? Surely it's a choice for anyone to express their view on whether they think a gesture is appropriate or not in tackling racism in football. The people booing need to be educated, not those who choose not to the knee What is it they need to be educated on? The reasons why people choose to take the knee . Would you boo someone who decided to take the knee? Give me a single valid reason why these people decided to boo ? 1. The gesture does little to tackle racism in football. It’s a half arsed effort by the FA to tick a box that says “we are tackling racism” 2. The gesture is affiliated with a political organisation that does not represent a balanced approach to dealing with racism. If the stance of the FA is to say “we stand against racism” by adopting the gesture of ‘taking the knee’ why would any footballer choose not to. This means they don’t agree with the FA policy? Why would a person decide to boo a footballer who has made a personal decision to take the knee as their own stand against racism ? What is it that they are against? Luckily these people are a tiny minority , the vast majority will support and acknowledge players taking the knee This is an assumption the booing is for the player… given there are players who won’t take the knee for its symbolism its equally relevant to consider the booing is directed at the gesture itself. You can’t call out one and not the other? Do you think the FA are doing enough to tackle racism in the game. I don’t, and as long as the focus is away from what the FA should be doing, it doesn’t make any difference whether players do or don’t take the knee - if anything it shifts the focus. The FA aren’t doing enough. If they aren’t booing the players then why are they booing the gesture of taking the knee ? Are they booing a players personal decision ? Like I said, luckily this is only a tiny minority of fans, thankfully the vast majority are better educated . Objecting to a pointless gesture that does little to tackle a problem is not ok and needs re-education while players who also think the gesture is meaningless and choose not to partake in its use are simply exercising their personal choice … You do see the conflict of argument here ? Just to clarify, do you agree with people booing players who are taking the knee? I can’t answer that as I don’t know if the booing is directed at specific players, all of the players on the pitch or if it is for the use of the gesture. Do you know? Ok, I shall rephrase the question . Do you agree with people booing the use of the ‘gesture’? Do you agree with people booing all the players for taking the knee ? Do you agree with people booing specific players for taking the knee? I am only asking as I want to clarify which part of taking the knee you are against Yes No No Fair enough, so what is it about a players personal choice to take the knee as a gesture against racism that you are against ? I haven't indicated that I am against a player choosing whether or not to take the knee, however for clarity - I am not against anyone choosing whether or not to take the knee. Is there a difference between a player choosing not to take the knee and someone displaying their dislike of the use of the gesture? I am still unclear why you think one warrants the label of being racist and requiring education. Surely the player and the person booing are in the same situation - dislike of the gesture Here is the difference, the player not taking the knee isn’t publicly booing and demeaning the players that are taking the knee. They have made a personal choice not to take the knee whilst respecting the personal choice of players who take the knee. Demeaning to the players - the gesture itself is demeaning - this is exactly the reason one footballer chooses not to take the knee. As soon as there is doubt about its purpose and symbolism the gesture has lost all meaning of unity and solidarity for a shared cause. You cant start having a discussion about why some players do and some don't when it is detracting from the real conversation to be had. Hoping that racism in football will be tackled by adopting a tarnished gesture will not fix the problem. Voicing opposition to its use is as powerful as the player who stands tall and doesn't take a knee when all around them are on bended knee. So you are stating that players who take the knee are demeaning themselves? I think players should stand tall and united in tackling racial abuse in football." They have chosen to take the knee, their choice, let’s respect this and stop the booing . | |||
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"How about a thought for the little lad killed by a lightening strike whilst out playing football instead of a criminal high on drugs being arrested for a crime in another country " In that case, ban football! It is far too dangerous to play it, if kids can die by being hit by lightning while playing it. | |||
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"Players taking the knee in the stance against against racism were boo’d by sections of the Wembley crowd. Twitter has erupted with some saying that politics should be kept out of sport and people have had enough of woke nonsense; whilst others support the players on their personal choice of how they reject racism and comment that treating people badly because of their colour (or sex or disability - or anything) is a human expression, not a political one. Football shouldn't be a safe space for racists. " We agree with this - even if you’ve gone! | |||
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" I think players should stand tall and united in tackling racial abuse in football." What do you think they should do then? Apparently within just two hours of Manchester United losing the Europa league Final, Marcus Rashford had 89 banana/monkey emoji’s directed at him on social media. We should be applauding his way of choosing to protest this, not telling him how we white folk think he should react. | |||
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" I think players should stand tall and united in tackling racial abuse in football. What do you think they should do then? Apparently within just two hours of Manchester United losing the Europa league Final, Marcus Rashford had 89 banana/monkey emoji’s directed at him on social media. We should be applauding his way of choosing to protest this, not telling him how we white folk think he should react." Marcus Rashford is the bigger person. If thats the treatment that he gets from his own fans, then the message is defintely not getting through. They are not keyboard warriors, just keyboard cowards. | |||
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"All political gestures should be banned from all sports events, they are not the right place for these issues to be expressed. Would I boo? Probably yes, as I would boo is it was any other expression of political view in a sports arena. People these days are never happy if they arent telling others that they are morally better than them." Perhaps start by telling politicians like the buffoon to stick his nose out of politics then. | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in" Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? | |||
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"Strong interview with Gareth Southgate floating around news channels and social media. “We are determined more than ever to continue to take the knee through this tournament, whatever the reaction...//... the fact that some of the players are so hardened to racist abuse is perhaps something the whole country should reflect on.”" Sooo only white people are racists  | |||
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"Strong interview with Gareth Southgate floating around news channels and social media. “We are determined more than ever to continue to take the knee through this tournament, whatever the reaction...//... the fact that some of the players are so hardened to racist abuse is perhaps something the whole country should reflect on.”Sooo only white people are racists "Where did he say that ?? | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that?" Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? | |||
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"Perhaps also stop the players wearing poppies as that is clearly nothing to do with footy." Far too political for my liking, I might boo if I see them wearing poppies at a match | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists?" Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem?" I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again | |||
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"Strong interview with Gareth Southgate floating around news channels and social media. “We are determined more than ever to continue to take the knee through this tournament, whatever the reaction...//... the fact that some of the players are so hardened to racist abuse is perhaps something the whole country should reflect on.”Sooo only white people are racists
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again " You aren't surprised are you | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again " Would you consider the blm organisation a right wing group? | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again Would you consider the blm organisation a right wing group?" Anybody that has looked into the politics behind BLM knows the answer to that I'm also glad to see you acknowledge that they are political. Now, should politics be brought in to sport? | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again Would you consider the blm organisation a right wing group? Anybody that has looked into the politics behind BLM knows the answer to that I'm also glad to see you acknowledge that they are political. Now, should politics be brought in to sport?" Probably not, they shouldn’t wear poppies, they shouldn’t have minutes silences for political figures who die etc etc | |||
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"Strong interview with Gareth Southgate floating around news channels and social media. “We are determined more than ever to continue to take the knee through this tournament, whatever the reaction...//... the fact that some of the players are so hardened to racist abuse is perhaps something the whole country should reflect on.”Sooo only white people are racists
Where did he say that ?? It's a simple yes or no question "Of course not, whoever said that only white people are racist? | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again Would you consider the blm organisation a right wing group? Anybody that has looked into the politics behind BLM knows the answer to that I'm also glad to see you acknowledge that they are political. Now, should politics be brought in to sport?" So you still havent answered the question of why there were not protests against the right wing protests on the police? I'm not sure you can take politics out of sport because it doesnt exist in a vacuum but as I've said above,if you do ,they need to take the poppies of the shirt around remembrance day. How will that go down do you think? | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again Would you consider the blm organisation a right wing group? Anybody that has looked into the politics behind BLM knows the answer to that I'm also glad to see you acknowledge that they are political. Now, should politics be brought in to sport? Probably not, they shouldn’t wear poppies, they shouldn’t have minutes silences for political figures who die etc etc " We may have found common ground | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again Would you consider the blm organisation a right wing group?" Communists. | |||
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"Poppies are a mark of respect for those that gave their lives to ensure our freedom, it's totally not political, its represents everyone, left right or centre, male and female,young and old, white, black and every shade and colour in between. " It is political, you can’t criticise players for taking the knee then expect them to wear a poppy | |||
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"The fans booing likely associate taking the knee with the BLM riots of last summer where the police where violently attacked and Churchill's statue repeatedly vandalised Yes BLM may be an anti racist organisation but they also hold some fairly abhorrent views and personally if there was even one turd in the swimming pool I wouldn't be jumping in Police were also attacked in protests by right wing activists. Did they protest about that? Where footballers taking a knee in support of right wing activists? Nope but you pointed out they were reacting against the supposed left wing attacks on the police. Where is the protests against those right wing crackpots who caused trouble last summer? Or is it only left wing protests that are the problem? I didn't mention anything about left or right wing Lionel, you did that. Again Would you consider the blm organisation a right wing group? Anybody that has looked into the politics behind BLM knows the answer to that I'm also glad to see you acknowledge that they are political. Now, should politics be brought in to sport? So you still havent answered the question of why there were not protests against the right wing protests on the police? I'm not sure you can take politics out of sport because it doesnt exist in a vacuum but as I've said above,if you do ,they need to take the poppies of the shirt around remembrance day. How will that go down do you think?" Your question is a whole other thread in itself and has nothing to do with the original post but we all know how you like dodge the facts by asking irrelevant questions See above for my answer on your latest question | |||
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