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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
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You make a fair few assumptions there.
You say that leave voters want to see the EU collapse but in the next sentence say that we wanted them to make the best of it.
I personally don't want to see the EU collapse.
I also have never blamed any issue on remain voters.
It's funny that you say leave voters look to blame remainers and the EU for every woe but fail to see that remain voters will blame the EU for nothing.
See, this all has 2 sides and both are as bad as each other. The truth of the matter is that both sides have seriously failed at times, over certain things.
The UK got a 'shit' deal but we were never gonna get a good one. Ask any rational leave voter and they will tell you they knew this before the fact. It's the reason we don't really care about the 'shit' deal, it was a given. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
You make a fair few assumptions there.
You say that leave voters want to see the EU collapse but in the next sentence say that we wanted them to make the best of it.
I personally don't want to see the EU collapse.
I also have never blamed any issue on remain voters.
It's funny that you say leave voters look to blame remainers and the EU for every woe but fail to see that remain voters will blame the EU for nothing.
See, this all has 2 sides and both are as bad as each other. The truth of the matter is that both sides have seriously failed at times, over certain things.
The UK got a 'shit' deal but we were never gonna get a good one. Ask any rational leave voter and they will tell you they knew this before the fact. It's the reason we don't really care about the 'shit' deal, it was a given."
Exactly and leaving with a shit deal was still better than staying.The uk had to be made an example of to keep the illusion of the emperors new cloths going. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
You make a fair few assumptions there.
You say that leave voters want to see the EU collapse but in the next sentence say that we wanted them to make the best of it.
I personally don't want to see the EU collapse.
I also have never blamed any issue on remain voters.
It's funny that you say leave voters look to blame remainers and the EU for every woe but fail to see that remain voters will blame the EU for nothing.
See, this all has 2 sides and both are as bad as each other. The truth of the matter is that both sides have seriously failed at times, over certain things.
The UK got a 'shit' deal but we were never gonna get a good one. Ask any rational leave voter and they will tell you they knew this before the fact. It's the reason we don't really care about the 'shit' deal, it was a given."
You are putting words into my mouth when you say I contradicted myself as I said that there was q general assumption.
Indo take your point about being two sides to every story though.
Remain voters were happier to work within the EU to make changes and latterly that simply was not going to happen.
There should have been a lot of changes prior to 2015 too donthe EU are certainly not perfect.
Hard for those who voted to remain to blame the EU for a treaty that was rushed through against their will which is a poor deal though...
The UK were never going to get a good deal as you have already said.
If both those who voted to remain or leave don't start to work together and worth things out without looking to blame the EU at every turn.
Things will never be sorted. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Exactly and leaving with a shit deal was still better than staying.The uk had to be made an example of to keep the illusion of the emperors new cloths going."
On the other had just continue to blame the EU, increase the divide and get nowhere.
Welcome to Brexit Britain |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
You make a fair few assumptions there.
You say that leave voters want to see the EU collapse but in the next sentence say that we wanted them to make the best of it.
I personally don't want to see the EU collapse.
I also have never blamed any issue on remain voters.
It's funny that you say leave voters look to blame remainers and the EU for every woe but fail to see that remain voters will blame the EU for nothing.
See, this all has 2 sides and both are as bad as each other. The truth of the matter is that both sides have seriously failed at times, over certain things.
The UK got a 'shit' deal but we were never gonna get a good one. Ask any rational leave voter and they will tell you they knew this before the fact. It's the reason we don't really care about the 'shit' deal, it was a given.
You are putting words into my mouth when you say I contradicted myself as I said that there was q general assumption.
Indo take your point about being two sides to every story though.
Remain voters were happier to work within the EU to make changes and latterly that simply was not going to happen.
There should have been a lot of changes prior to 2015 too donthe EU are certainly not perfect.
Hard for those who voted to remain to blame the EU for a treaty that was rushed through against their will which is a poor deal though...
The UK were never going to get a good deal as you have already said.
If both those who voted to remain or leave don't start to work together and worth things out without looking to blame the EU at every turn.
Things will never be sorted."
Where is this general assumption because I don't see it. I see remainers thinking that, but it's simply not true.
You say remain voters were happy to work within the EU knowing they aren't perfect. It's no different to leave voters knowing our own government arent perfect. You see, same thing, 2 sides of the same coin.
I could make the exact same argument for most points.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""Exactly and leaving with a shit deal was still better than staying.The uk had to be made an example of to keep the illusion of the emperors new cloths going."
On the other had just continue to blame the EU, increase the divide and get nowhere.
Welcome to Brexit Britain"
You don't actually believe the EU didn't feel they had to make an example of the UK do you? |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
I think the problem for both sides is the focus on the EU. Why? Ok, those that wanted to remain I can understand, but for those of us that voted leave? I think it's narrow minded and goes against the reasons we voted to leave, for many.
The problem with this and other forums, is both sides want to be proven right. That is not going to happen in the short term, for either faction. But like the rivalry between football supporters, I think it is here to stay for at least a generation. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
""Exactly and leaving with a shit deal was still better than staying.The uk had to be made an example of to keep the illusion of the emperors new cloths going."
On the other had just continue to blame the EU, increase the divide and get nowhere.
Welcome to Brexit Britain"
You seem to have me wrong im happy we are out, the uk is making new trade deals around the world and will need to import less and less from the eu over the coming years. I have nothing to blame the eu for now we are out and wish them luck but if you for one minute think its all one sided you are very much mistaken the eu is going to gradually lose its biggest customer and for what? because they refused to sit down with cameron and talk. He warned them but they were too arrogant to listen. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
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Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
""Exactly and leaving with a shit deal was still better than staying.The uk had to be made an example of to keep the illusion of the emperors new cloths going."
On the other had just continue to blame the EU, increase the divide and get nowhere.
Welcome to Brexit BritainYou seem to have me wrong im happy we are out, the uk is making new trade deals around the world and will need to import less and less from the eu over the coming years. I have nothing to blame the eu for now we are out and wish them luck but if you for one minute think its all one sided you are very much mistaken the eu is going to gradually lose its biggest customer and for what? because they refused to sit down with cameron and talk. He warned them but they were too arrogant to listen."
Read what you have written again. Read it slowly and think about everything that has been said about British Exceptionalism.
Aside from that - Cameron was spoken to and the U.K. got a permanent opt out of “ever closer Union” and a permanent veto on any so called “EU Army.”
You know that, but choose to pretend that the negotiation never had and so the almighty Britain will have given the EU a bloody nose by leaving... Ergo, shooting both its feet off and getting some blood spatter on the EU’s shiny new shoes. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for"
What is it that they stand for that you hate so much?
Common standards?
Equality?
Fair working practices?
Providing it’s citizens with a continent of opportunity?
Seamless trading opportunities?
Membership of the worlds largest and successful economic and political union in the world?
Which bit do you actually hate? |
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for"
You need professional help..
Go and get some therapy, that sort of negative feeling will eat you up.. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
You need professional help..
Go and get some therapy, that sort of negative feeling will eat you up.."
YOu are a nasty creature and your insults show you for what you are.
You are a dictator like a Stalin or a Hitler well people do not have to agree with your narrow minded views you know |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
You need professional help..
Go and get some therapy, that sort of negative feeling will eat you up..YOu are a nasty creature and your insults show you for what you are.
You are a dictator like a Stalin or a Hitler well people do not have to agree with your narrow minded views you know"
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
You need professional help..
Go and get some therapy, that sort of negative feeling will eat you up..YOu are a nasty creature and your insults show you for what you are.
You are a dictator like a Stalin or a Hitler well people do not have to agree with your narrow minded views you know
Stalin or a Hitler? I think you have gone slightly OTT there "
Non it is a good description of you a very good and considered one |
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
You need professional help..
Go and get some therapy, that sort of negative feeling will eat you up..YOu are a nasty creature and your insults show you for what you are.
You are a dictator like a Stalin or a Hitler well people do not have to agree with your narrow minded views you know"
Because I'm not the one living with hate and advising you that it's a shit way to live in that mindset then I'm a genocidal mass murderer..
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
You need professional help..
Go and get some therapy, that sort of negative feeling will eat you up..YOu are a nasty creature and your insults show you for what you are.
You are a dictator like a Stalin or a Hitler well people do not have to agree with your narrow minded views you know
Stalin or a Hitler? I think you have gone slightly OTT there Non it is a good description of you a very good and considered one"
Hold on, I am a hitler ? Not the person you originally quoted? It’s all very confusing |
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
You need professional help..
Go and get some therapy, that sort of negative feeling will eat you up..YOu are a nasty creature and your insults show you for what you are.
You are a dictator like a Stalin or a Hitler well people do not have to agree with your narrow minded views you know"
Btw Emma I've only ever addressed you as such as that's how you present on here..
Not very nasty or in keeping with the two you mentioned is it?
And, I've never wanted to spit at others for their different views as you once stated on here..
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
What is it that they stand for that you hate so much?
Common standards?
Equality?
Fair working practices?
Providing it’s citizens with a continent of opportunity?
Seamless trading opportunities?
Membership of the worlds largest and successful economic and political union in the world?
Which bit do you actually hate?"
It's very easy to bandy about entirely subjective measurements like that.
It's laughable to claim stuff like most successful political union in the world... On what measure?
A continent of opportunity? Do the young people of Portugal and Greece with 50% unemployment think that? No.
The EU can't hold an objective candle to the Pacific Rim, Australasia block, even blooming central America (except Venezuela). |
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
What is it that they stand for that you hate so much?
Common standards?
Equality?
Fair working practices?
Providing it’s citizens with a continent of opportunity?
Seamless trading opportunities?
Membership of the worlds largest and successful economic and political union in the world?
Which bit do you actually hate?
It's very easy to bandy about entirely subjective measurements like that.
It's laughable to claim stuff like most successful political union in the world... On what measure?
A continent of opportunity? Do the young people of Portugal and Greece with 50% unemployment think that? No.
The EU can't hold an objective candle to the Pacific Rim, Australasia block, even blooming central America (except Venezuela). "
I liked the Pacific Rim film franchise, which was your favourite Jaeger ? |
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"Perhaps a surprise here but a serious question...
There appears to be a general assumption that most of those who voted Remain want the UK to rejoin the EU.
Personally I don't but will come back to that later.
There is also a general assumption that most of those who voted to leave would like nothing more than to see the EU collapse.
If you look through prevuous posts the above is well founded.
The reality is that the majority of people (those who voted to remain or leave) have accepted that the UK has left the EU.
Gone
Bye Bye
Done
The majority want to move on and see both the UK and the EU make the best of what has happened.
A agreement was signed (two if we count the NI Protocol) and needs to be adhered to (why sign anything if it was not going to be honoured?).
In reality both need to be changed because neither work for the UK.
To change them is not going to be a case of any side just bending the rules and the other allowing it. Both agreements were hard fought over and if changes are to be made then they will be done properly and both sides will sign amendments or other agreements.
..and so it will go on.
So, my point is that the majority of those who voted to Remain and those who voted to leave want to make the most of it.
We are on the same side.
The issues that repeatedly come up with trade, fishing, cronyism, lies etc. that, as a whole, those who voted to leave see as an attack on Brexit are incorrect.
These problems affect everyone.
They need to be fixed.
By all means, continue to bash the EU. Doing so simply shows how poor the UK goverment has performed with the agreements and how they are currently performing.
If everything was rosy, there would be no need to blame the EU at every turn but it is obviously not.
So, my question...
Do you wise people here on this anonymous site for swingers, want to support a new UK where people work for a common goal of trying to improve what is really a poor deal for the UK but accepting that there have to be concessions on both sides or, is the preferred option to continue to blame those who voted to remain and the EU for every woe and problem for the next 20 odd years?
Yes I want the UK to unite and work together for a better stronger Britain and to get a better deal with the EU.They are near to us and we have to work with them even though I hate all they stand for
You need professional help..
Go and get some therapy, that sort of negative feeling will eat you up..YOu are a nasty creature and your insults show you for what you are.
You are a dictator like a Stalin or a Hitler well people do not have to agree with your narrow minded views you know"
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By *uboCouple
over a year ago
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Never get the UK to work together by choice.
Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain,and when you consider that Scotland has never been Tory since 1955, it is pretty understandable as to why many want to split.
Working with the buffoon boris isn't going to happen |
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